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Title: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 07:51:37 AM
he Elan Community
by Eliscu2 » 10 Dec 2009, 16:56

Danny Bennison wrote:
I was an ex-staff and Director and I have experienced some hostility from ex-residents. Now to be honest I can't say I have handeled the conversations well especially the passionate ones. Now I was 17,18 and 19 when I was staff and I don't pretend to stand here and say I knew the job professionally or was trained. It was 31yrs. ago. I am having trouble adjusting, (I was a resident like everyone else than went to staff at 17 (what a joke) ) with my fellow residents. Would really like some advice on my re-entry back in to socializing. I have not done this since 1978 didn't even know these sites excisted.

Go Blow Jeff Gottlieb or Marty.
No body remembers you, but they remember each other hmmmmm.
Push your  somewhere else. "It has become appalling obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity." Albert Einstein
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Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 07:52:54 AM
Is that an attack and violation.seems like the language is far from appropriate :timeout: :timeout:
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 08:05:49 AM
:notworthy:  :notworthy:
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 08:07:43 AM
:fuckoff:
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 08:09:26 AM
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Ursus is the most annoying poster on this forum. Is ursus a undercover troll or just retarded? Protip: Post links instead copypasta! you are making pages impossible to navigate. on purpose?? hmmmmm I like the way Ursus posts things! So, FUCK OFF! Get yourself a computer upgrade and try a 20" w... :soapbox: Nice way of expressing herself. ::unhappy::
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 08:13:30 AM
Quote from: "garystadler"
he Elan Community
by Eliscu2 » 10 Dec 2009, 16:56

Danny Bennison wrote:
I was an ex-staff and Director and I have experienced some hostility from ex-residents. Now to be honest I can't say I have handeled the conversations well especially the passionate ones. Now I was 17,18 and 19 when I was staff and I don't pretend to stand here and say I knew the job professionally or was trained. It was 31yrs. ago. I am having trouble adjusting, (I was a resident like everyone else than went to staff at 17 (what a joke) ) with my fellow residents. Would really like some advice on my re-entry back in to socializing. I have not done this since 1978 didn't even know these sites excisted.

Go Blow Jeff Gottlieb or Marty.
No body remembers you, but they remember each other hmmmmm.
Push your  somewhere else. "It has become appalling obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity." Albert Einstein
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This was from Eliscu2, am I correct?
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 09:06:28 AM
Yes it is
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 09:24:50 AM
I think Danny should refrain from communicating with anyone about his personal life via. e-mail or otherwise.  There are people who will use e-mails, private messages and/or statements from other websites to discredit him in lieu of his work history at Elan.
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 10:14:53 AM
:rasta:
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 10:22:06 AM
What legal process takes place before an adult is committed to a state hospital?
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 10:36:36 AM
:cheers:
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: psy on January 17, 2010, 10:41:21 AM
How did this thread turn into one about Elan?  I'm confused.
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 10:43:36 AM
I don't harbor ill feelings towards Felice and hope she doing well.  This is my last post in this thread.
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 10:49:02 AM
:rocker:
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 11:07:06 AM
:birthday:
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: psy on January 17, 2010, 11:17:54 AM
As much as I like seeing such active discussion, can you guys start another thread since all this is wildly off-topic?
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: psy on January 17, 2010, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: "Eliscu2"
Anyone who posts here runs the risk of someone calling DCFS on them.
I wouldn't quite say that's true.  Authorities would have to subpoena a person's identity.  Even if you were to give your full name and number here it still would not be evidence.  They would still have to prove it's you and that you were telling the truth about whatever you claimed you did.  Furthermore, I can't see anything being held against anybody in court.  Ask a lawyer about "heresay" evidence and you'll get a much more thorough explanation.

But anyway.  Can you guys please move this to another thread?
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 11:28:14 AM
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Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 11:30:30 AM
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Title: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 11:39:44 AM
:timeout:
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: mark babitz on January 17, 2010, 11:56:51 AM
:cheers:
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 12:59:32 PM
:shamrock:
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 01:43:07 PM
:shamrock:
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: mark babitz on January 17, 2010, 06:57:12 PM
I am glad your able to be open about your feelings Danny, but this forum was split to keep Felice away and stop her from crying. I nor Gary or anyone really care about Felice and bothering with her.She invites the trouble and gets it .shame on her. and to comment on how someone treats someone is calling the kettle black-ex staffer ,, And that being said , who in the fuck are you to call someone sick ex staffer. Your another one with too much info out there to talk too much shit pal.I am not one of those woman and you know it, I have verbally beat you down before take some pointers from it.This area is unrefereed not like the last one, we were told to yell and fight here. So if thats what you came for you will find it. And from reading about you, you will find it. but Danny there is no site director to cry to here they dont care, thats why they moved us here so be careful and enter at your own risk.And leave your Bitch  home in Platteville. :peace:  :peace:  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: Ursus on January 17, 2010, 07:03:35 PM
Quote from: "mark babitz"
this forum was split to keep Felice away and stop her from crying
Source for your assertion?

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This forum is offered to absolutely anyone with any kind of interest in the troubled parent inustry, cults, thought reform or any tangentally related topic. It is a resource to facilitate open, unmoderated discussion relating to the topics designated by individual forum moderators and to promote coordination and networking efforts relating to them...
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Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 07:06:18 PM
Quote from: "mark babitz"
I am glad your able to be open about your feelings Danny, but this forum was split to keep Felice away and stop her from crying. I nor Gary or anyone really care about Felice and bothering with her.She invites the trouble and gets it .shame on her. and to comment on how someone treats someone is calling the kettle black-ex staffer ,, And that being said , who in the fuck are you to call someone sick ex staffer. Your another one with too much info out there to talk too much shit pal.I am not one of those woman and you know it, I have verbally beat you down before take some pointers from it.This area is unrefereed not like the last one, we were told to yell and fight here. So if thats what you came for you will find it. And from reading about you, you will find it. but Danny there is no site director to cry to here they dont care, thats why they moved us here so be careful and enter at your own risk.And leave your Bitch  home in Platteville. :peace:  :peace:  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:

Do you have employment records and/or any documentation pertinent to his job performance at Elan?
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 07:14:29 PM
Quote
I nor Gary or anyone really care about Felice and bothering with her.She invites the trouble and gets it .shame on her.

I am confident you can discuss the matter in a responsible manner.  Whereas people may be receptive to your ideas.  Otherwise, this coup attempt will accomplish nothing.
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: mark babitz on January 17, 2010, 07:16:22 PM
:rocker: No I dont ,I am going by what he has said and posted , I dont even know if he is being honest. He claimed Joe Ricci was his guardian and he got shanghaied into it. Claims to being apart or watching some kid get dragged from a car by staff or something to that effect. I think he is full of shit and I have always said that. All the deep dark stuff about Elan he should be able share and he doesn't, boast to have med records etc.I take him with a grain of salt he goes from site to site with his companion starting fights.
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 07:19:17 PM
Quote
She invites the trouble and gets it .shame on her. and to comment on how someone treats someone is calling the kettle black-ex staffer ,,

I am confident you can engage in discussions without using his work history against him.  People are making allot of comments towards Danny because he worked at Elan.  These comments, in my opinion, are not fair.
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 07:24:03 PM
Quote
All the deep dark stuff about Elan he should be able share and he doesn't, boast to have med records etc.I take him with a grain of salt he goes from site to site with his companion starting fights.

It is entirely his choice to discuss his experiences.  You, nor anyone else, should dictate otherwise by means of harassment.
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: mark babitz on January 17, 2010, 07:27:57 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "mark babitz"
this forum was split to keep Felice away and stop her from crying
Source for your assertion?

From the Fornits' FAQ (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/faq.php):

    Terms of use
    This forum is offered to absolutely anyone with any kind of interest in the troubled parent inustry, cults, thought reform or any tangentally related topic. It is a resource to facilitate open, unmediated discussion relating to the topics designated by individual forum moderators and to promote coordination and networking efforts relating to them...
    [/list]
    ::OMG:: What exactly are you trying to say, spit it out I dont need directions you do.and some reading lessons. Nothing was said until Felice started up and I am sure she will wonder over here why who knows.My post and Gary's were all Elan directed, go back and read, and then she came along with Elan people dont have time for this.go back and read.I still gather and post I have my direction and will run over anything that gets in the way. So WHY would anyone find need to bother me or try and insult what I am doing,I once again ask drop the Felice crusade and get on to Elan but you guys wont and thats what makes the game fun. ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 07:29:22 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    :rocker: No I dont ,I am going by what he has said and posted , I dont even know if he is being honest. He claimed Joe Ricci was his guardian and he got shanghaied into it. Claims to being apart or watching some kid get dragged from a car by staff or something to that effect. I think he is full of shit and I have always said that. All the deep dark stuff about Elan he should be able share and he doesn't, boast to have med records etc.I take him with a grain of salt he goes from site to site with his companion starting fights.
     

    How long do you plan on busting his balls?  I suspect you went to Elan, therefor you're upset with him.  You did not interact with him at Elan.  Danny should not bear the brunt of your anger.  It is time to move on.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 17, 2010, 07:34:23 PM
    :feedtrolls:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 07:42:08 PM
    Quote
    When Danny can speak like a gentlemen he will be spoken to like one, I must ask are you Danny's Attorney or lover. I generally take care of my own business and problems, or am I be too nosey ??? Do you chew his food ??

    Are you Danny's Attorney or lover?  No
    Do you chew his food ? No
    Am I be too nosy?  This is not the correct question to ask.

    I wrote earlier, "It is time to move on."  You show no signs of doing that.  It  would not hurt to get professional help.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 17, 2010, 07:47:13 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    When Danny can speak like a gentlemen he will be spoken to like one, I must ask are you Danny's Attorney or lover. I generally take care of my own business and problems, or am I be too nosey ??? Do you chew his food ??

    Are you Danny's Attorney or lover?  No
    Do you chew his food ? No
    Am I be too nosy?  This is not the correct question to ask.

    I wrote earlier, "It is time to move on."  You show no signs of doing that.  I think you should get professional help.
    :rocker: You fuck me up with your responces. your funny you win ha ha. I dont how to respond, you got me ::fullofshit::  :rasta:  :rasta:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on January 17, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
    With quality like this it doesn't take much to understand why Elan is still around.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: fornits on January 17, 2010, 09:10:54 PM
    'Mark babitz' aka 'Gary Stadler' ‘Randy Jackson’ is an Elan School Cult operative deliberately publicly behaving in a deranged manner and posting distractions to obfuscate investigation and application of criminal penalty to the criminals that organize the Elan School Cult.

    That's my opinion (and Antigen's), anyway.

    "They" are likely to be characters created by the same person, along with 'bossybee' and 'Rose.'

    Have you noticed they write in the same style, and pose the exact same justifications for their harmful (to effective advocacy for the victims of Elan) internet screeds? I don't think that's a coincidence.

    A Felice, and Danny...only post in the CAN Elan school forum, where his/ her antics will be deleted and you can assemble a meaningful body of evidence pertinent to the Elan School Cult.

    viewforum.php?f=75 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=75)

    My 2 cents.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 12:54:46 AM
    :shamrock:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 01:41:28 AM
    :shamrock:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 03:00:14 AM
    Quote from: "Danny Bennison"
    BE NICE EVERYONE................KARMA.............REMEMBER



    I think your Karma will be biting you in the rear end soon enough.  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 03:01:35 AM
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    With quality like this it doesn't take much to understand why Elan is still around.



    This wisdom coming from filthy mouth..classic :blabla:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 03:07:01 AM
    Quote from: "fornits"
    'Mark babitz' aka 'Gary Stadler' ‘Randy Jackson’ is an Elan School Cult operative deliberately publicly behaving in a deranged manner and posting distractions to obfuscate investigation and application of criminal penalty to the criminals that organize the Elan School Cult.

    That's my opinion (and Antigen's), anyway.

    "They" are likely to be characters created by the same person, along with 'bossybee' and 'Rose.'

    Have you noticed they write in the same style, and pose the exact same justifications for their harmful (to effective advocacy for the victims of Elan) internet screeds? I don't think that's a coincidence.

    A Felice, and Danny...only post in the CAN Elan school forum, where his/ her antics will be deleted and you can assemble a meaningful body of evidence pertinent to the Elan School Cult.

    viewforum.php?f=75 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=75)

    My 2 cents.
             
    Im glad we got good wanna be detectives around here stupid ignorance is beyond. Kewl. I think fornits is a compete utter joke.  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 03:09:20 AM
    Who upset you this time?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 03:10:01 AM
    Quote from: "Danny Bennison"
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    With quality like this it doesn't take much to understand why Elan is still around.

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..`DE CHE MON.......We are a distinctive quarry aren't we......boo hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I refuse to surrender.....onward.....lol. What else can we do.......don't say it!!!!!! lol.
    Unreal you actually were a staff member and act younger than me?? Dude you are very crazied, go get some prozac or something before you hurt yourself thinkin to much.  :spam:  :spam:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 03:16:03 AM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    Who upset you this time?
    i find this ridiculous on going load of bullshit. no one upset me but they just accused me of being a fat 40 year old and i am a gay 20 year old with a life in store for me. oh i see the resemblance from the dectectives around here that puppet every1's thoughts. fornits suck so gunna go find somewhere else to hang. people here need serious therapy, but hey Danny is available for sessions or Felice, they seem to run the show around here. and either would i turn my back on.  :twofinger:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 03:16:30 AM
    How much beer have you drank tonight?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 09:44:43 AM
    ::OMG::  ::OMG:: I find it hard to understand why you would split a thread and move some of us to our own area and now we still get the rush of Dany Bennison and someone new probable Felice as a troll. They think to know what they are talking about ,writing styles of people. Come on they aren't focused enough to make a observation like that . Because some of us speak harshly about Elan and fight back when people speak out of turn.That's not a writing style, it anger and thats a universal language. And if it was true who cares??. Its should put a smart person on guard ,that the people talking do know the workings of a computer and how to stay covert.That's being said, why do they follow then complain ?? It was apparent when you made your decision that you were trying to gain focus on the topics we were accused of distorting. But then they go seek the fight.Its all on the site and I know you can read threw it. I am not writing to complain or ask for your help. I just ask that next time they complain tell them too shut up and mind themselves. They are the pursuers and you set them up to show it. You will not find myself or any of the accused attack on other pages nor seek out targets. I personal have asked and warned them to back off but they dont seem to get it. Now maybe you will.They say the post are similar, well if they knew anything about researching Elan ,there is not allot of published info to provide. But non of them ever got the far into investigating Elan. to know that.I dont know if you were there, I was from 74-75 until the State of ill pulled us out due to abuse allegations etc, so I do have experience and times to talk about and insight to speack about Elan and places like it.I am not Complaining just wondering why these people find the need to instigate and not just move on?? . I thank you for your time and consideration, Have a great day Mark Babitz.  :jawdrop:  :beat:  P.S. Please dont take them out of the group just understand about being in the group :beat: .As I have shown you PSY I can drum up hits on a site look at the hits and post when I jumped in and Gary. It went from 50 views to 1400 or better post went from 12 or so to over 100 I believe, :cheers:  :rocker:  :rasta:  :jamin: I put dynamite :flame:  on paper, and people unarguably like it :rocker:  :rocker:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::OMG::  :notworthy: . But notice how many post, apposed to views, it shows more read then talk, and thats why God gave us two ears and one mouth.I appreciate you letting us on the site, you have a very large audience and allot of different groups from different places that mix is great.In between the nuts we will get the post up and run a clean operation,that means legal not nice.Someone made a ridiculous comment that fornits was visited by parents etc and things need to be nice and friendly, I wont say who ,you will see it if you have time.How about the Penis thread or the pot thread etc, there are a few questionable pages here. But who cares everyone is getting what they need and thats a great thing.  Elan Discussion 48 post-291 views. starting from 0 a couple of days ago :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 10:15:00 AM
    Big Girl
    Sent: less than a minute ago
    by bossybee39

    you know everyone will be seeing this and I now feel like you are a real moron. i doubt some ppl would enjoy your treatment of me either. I suggest you leave me alone because in 5 minutes my brother who is a state patrol officer is coming over to review the fact I have asked you several times to stop it, now once again leave me alone or I will press charges. Do not contact me and all. This is harrassment and I will not tolerate it. Go buly someone else you psychoQuote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 4 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    Stop messaging me Sharon you are harassing me while your at it show the authorities how many times you messaged me.....stop.........please!!!!!!!!!!Re: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 7 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    if you message me one more time I am calling the authorities plan and simple cut and dry. DO not message me or harrass me anymore you are mentally deranged individual and I do not want nothing to do with you. If you got something to say put it in forums.Quote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 11 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    I'll tell you what you stop harrassing me w/ all your crap get off my site, off my private meessage and will be even...Ok ....otherwise keep spewing your garbage......
    bye byeRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 15 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    i want you to stop harrassing meQuote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 21 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    As soon as you shut up I will ....bye byeRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 25 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    no need for a reply leave me the hell alone, I blocked you on facebook for a reason respect it and do not try a conversation with me in the future. only reason i am even on fornits is because i want to read a few things, other then that i will not be here trust me.Quote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 35 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    Well Thank youRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 58 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    Do not private message me ever.Quote Danny BennisonAct like a Big Girl
    Sent: Yesterday, 22:29
    by Danny Bennison

    Sharon,
    You are only making a ass of yourself, why b/cuz I won't agree w/ you. I have not agreed w/ most of crap you have done w/ people you are angry at. So what, what is the big deal.
    This thing with Art, Bla..bla..bla...both of you..you guys drag everybody into it, grow up.
    Who cares about he said this, you said that anymore....Jesus it has been dragged out enough. I thought you would have taken the hint when Mary left or when Felice had her say, shit I don't hear you screaming at them, they left do to Art and you said nothing, must be chicken-shit when it comes to women.....oh I kno they are my friends....I have known them for years. You have so many contridictions to your thoughts/personality WTF.....
    I have never......get this NEVER....hurt you in anyway as a adult and I am talking to your adult now......not the little girl that was hurt so much. I also never hurt the little girl either. Yes I was staff....for that I am sorry but you already kno that.
    Sharon stop this right now.....please....I am asking you....it is not fair for both of us nor the Elan site....though I will make one suggestion you not open another site till you are ready to be a unconditional site owner....Elan needs guidance and a competent leader and I am not saying that is me but no matter that is what it needs right now, not a bunch of acting out all over the place.
    You kno I care about you and that I had nothing to do with shutting down this site, "why would I do that". So lets get back to our lives, you kno where I have been for crying outloud
    when did I have the time anyway.
    love you ....Bossey Bee (good name for you) Danny  :beat:  :beat: I love you I hate you, make up your mind. you like Sharon or hate her, one side of the line only please. No straddling the fence :peace:  ::unhappy::  :peace:  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 11:02:12 AM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    Big Girl
    Sent: less than a minute ago
    by bossybee39

    you know everyone will be seeing this and I now feel like you are a real moron. i doubt some ppl would enjoy your treatment of me either. I suggest you leave me alone because in 5 minutes my brother who is a state patrol officer is coming over to review the fact I have asked you several times to stop it, now once again leave me alone or I will press charges. Do not contact me and all. This is harrassment and I will not tolerate it. Go buly someone else you psychoQuote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 4 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    Stop messaging me Sharon you are harassing me while your at it show the authorities how many times you messaged me.....stop.........please!!!!!!!!!!Re: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 7 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    if you message me one more time I am calling the authorities plan and simple cut and dry. DO not message me or harrass me anymore you are mentally deranged individual and I do not want nothing to do with you. If you got something to say put it in forums.Quote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 11 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    I'll tell you what you stop harrassing me w/ all your crap get off my site, off my private meessage and will be even...Ok ....otherwise keep spewing your garbage......
    bye byeRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 15 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    i want you to stop harrassing meQuote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 21 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    As soon as you shut up I will ....bye byeRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 25 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    no need for a reply leave me the hell alone, I blocked you on facebook for a reason respect it and do not try a conversation with me in the future. only reason i am even on fornits is because i want to read a few things, other then that i will not be here trust me.Quote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 35 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    Well Thank youRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 58 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    Do not private message me ever.Quote Danny BennisonAct like a Big Girl
    Sent: Yesterday, 22:29
    by Danny Bennison

    Sharon,
    You are only making a ass of yourself, why b/cuz I won't agree w/ you. I have not agreed w/ most of crap you have done w/ people you are angry at. So what, what is the big deal.
    This thing with Art, Bla..bla..bla...both of you..you guys drag everybody into it, grow up.
    Who cares about he said this, you said that anymore....Jesus it has been dragged out enough. I thought you would have taken the hint when Mary left or when Felice had her say, shit I don't hear you screaming at them, they left do to Art and you said nothing, must be chicken-shit when it comes to women.....oh I kno they are my friends....I have known them for years. You have so many contridictions to your thoughts/personality WTF.....
    I have never......get this NEVER....hurt you in anyway as a adult and I am talking to your adult now......not the little girl that was hurt so much. I also never hurt the little girl either. Yes I was staff....for that I am sorry but you already kno that.
    Sharon stop this right now.....please....I am asking you....it is not fair for both of us nor the Elan site....though I will make one suggestion you not open another site till you are ready to be a unconditional site owner....Elan needs guidance and a competent leader and I am not saying that is me but no matter that is what it needs right now, not a bunch of acting out all over the place.
    You kno I care about you and that I had nothing to do with shutting down this site, "why would I do that". So lets get back to our lives, you kno where I have been for crying outloud
    when did I have the time anyway.
    love you ....Bossey Bee (good name for you) Danny  :beat:  :beat: I love you I hate you, make up your mind. you like Sharon or hate her, one side of the line only please. No straddling the fence :peace:  ::unhappy::  :peace:  ::unhappy::

    Danny ????? y???
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 11:03:39 AM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    How much beer have you drank tonight?
    how much medication did you miss today?????????????????????????? ur a troll dude
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 11:04:35 AM
    :shamrock:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 11:08:08 AM
    Quote from: "fornits"
    'Mark babitz' aka 'Gary Stadler' ‘Randy Jackson’ is an Elan School Cult operative deliberately publicly behaving in a deranged manner and posting distractions to obfuscate investigation and application of criminal penalty to the criminals that organize the Elan School Cult.

    That's my opinion (and Antigen's), anyway.

    "They" are likely to be characters created by the same person, along with 'bossybee' and 'Rose.'

    Have you noticed they write in the same style, and pose the exact same justifications for their harmful (to effective advocacy for the victims of Elan) internet screeds? I don't think that's a coincidence.

    A Felice, and Danny...only post in the CAN Elan school forum, where his/ her antics will be deleted and you can assemble a meaningful body of evidence pertinent to the Elan School Cult.

    viewforum.php?f=75 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=75)

    My 2 cents.
    well i already no who this quest is was on the phone with u today. dont under estimate a woman T.....or C.... just so u know i already know ur games. u think ur a mastermind of deception but ur to obvious
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 11:33:25 AM
    Quote from: "Danny Bennison"
    Bravo....Bravo...You actually did something that was intelligent. Yes I could follow it to....ya kno why...I wrote it......yes..yes...by golly....it is all mine.....Is there something there that is supposed to be wrong.....gee funny I won't be posting what you wrote thou..... Sharon...aka Mark/Gary/Rose/Raving Mad..20yr old gay/Jeff Cooper w/tatoo on arm/Bossey Bee/ ect..ect..ect...
    As I said before "Who Gives a shit if Danny and everyone above is fighting and saying stuff.....we have already proven we are asses....
    Certifiable ass bags........Mark your a Genious......OK......NOW STOP WRITING BEFORE YOU PROVE IT WRONG.
    .........Danny........... :shamrock: .........Rose,  com'on your better then this. Your young...don't get caught up in this
    madness of old mines that are demented. (including mine...especially). Run ....Run.... :shamrock:

    Dan everyone is same person omfg you solve it dude the big conspiracy is solved. The people in ur head can stop talkin now. u think it is all one person how the hell did u come up with this one dude??? lets smoke and drink damn Danny solved it all. kewl can we get back to the forum now. wtf. you n felice need serious medication do i need to call my uncle to get u the good shit. man u are paranoid as fuck. maybe it is ur mind exploding with guilt. the guilt of how u treated many.live with it n stop trying to get other fighting. felice u are beyond help. how convient u can delete ur own postings. if i was fornit owners i would kick u and danny to the curb u guys suck as moderators. fornits is beyond in allowing the madness to continue out of either of u. damn conspiracies and cults wow the visions run deep. it is easier to try to dis credit us then to face reality that u both are fucken crazy insaine. no wonder ppl have to hide from u both. that lady had to change her number sick fuck. 2 be honest i rather be compared to sharon/mark/bossybee/gary/dicklicker/who the fuck is jeff?/then there is god knows who, but i rather be them that be any of u 2. and fornits is a free for all with the moderators they choose. sick just sick. now ladies and gents we see first hand what paranoid ppl act like..the own moderators.  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 11:34:56 AM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    Who upset you this time?
    shut up danny we know it is you
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 11:35:58 AM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    How much beer have you drank tonight?
    obviously not enough to read this hypercondracted load of horse shit.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 12:00:12 PM
    :shamrock:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 12:02:32 PM
    whos on first, whos on second, whos on third,....oh the conspiracy continues...got to go eat boring....enjoy urself on this forum dude. have fun dont hurt urself thinkin too much.. :suicide:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 12:48:10 PM
    Quote from: "Danny Bennison"
    Rose,
    exposecedu...probably means he is a advocate for "Cedu" look at all his posting....of course you won't,  but I thought I would try anyway. Jeesh why do we have to do all your Homework.
    I read your post and you keep saying the same thing over and over Rose...I hate you...speech....ok
    I am a advocate here thats it nothing more..nothing less..I am not here seeking friends (as in intimate) sure
    there will be conviviliality(lol misp.) but thats it. We share a common bond here...I came here to learn and express.
    I am sorry you feel the need to srike out personally for your cause...but this site doesn't have anything to do with our "Soap Opera bullcrap".  
    Hang in there Rose...listen and read here....you'll see.....You don't have to agree to be accepted.
    Well I am young what the hell is your excuse for ur ignorance? An advocate, beyond comedy there. no one takes u seriously. this is u when u dont get ur way dude.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn5ci099cFc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn5ci099cFc)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 12:53:48 PM
    RavingMad views towards senior citizens 2:39 - 2:44
    Sal & Richard's Public Access Calls - 6 - Harvy Science Show
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9o-Eocp ... A&index=25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9o-EocpcEE&feature=PlayList&p=5BFFB2C666001B3A&index=25)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 12:54:31 PM
    There is help out there for you Danny.....jump on board to the free clinic I hear they got sliding scale for ppl like u.


    This is my vision of someone as unstable as Danny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvpnjYEO0gc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvpnjYEO0gc)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 12:56:55 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    RavingMad views towards senior citizens 2:39 - 2:44
    Sal & Richard's Public Access Calls - 6 - Harvy Science Show
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9o-Eocp ... A&index=25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9o-EocpcEE&feature=PlayList&p=5BFFB2C666001B3A&index=25)
    I think you guys are lovers or somethin because generally a guy does not need back up, so what does he blow u good or something? two men trying to stop a woman hmmmmm. see what this world has come too. It is probably Art bored coming out of the woodwork, or danny having two accounts. no one is that loyal unless he is paying or some sort of sexual bind holding you two together. By the way nice vid.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 12:59:47 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... C666001B3A (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=5BFFB2C666001B3A)
    Here are more videos for you.  Try not to cause to much trouble.
    Title: Re: New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 01:00:18 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    What legal process takes place before an adult is committed to a state hospital?
    I am sure you can enlighten us because of your experiences dealing in this area.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 01:02:05 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=5BFFB2C666001B3A
    Here are more videos for you.  Try not to cause to much trouble.
    lalalalala the world is crawling through ur poor little cells. are you going to be alright or do u need to have the weekily session early. Fuck I will come give u a ride anytime. I support the help of mental health dude, do not be afraid we can find u the help.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: garystadler on January 18, 2010, 01:26:06 PM
    Torture Conference At Colby College
    Colby College in Waterville will host an international conference, "Torture and Human Rights: The Challenge of Redress and Rehabilitation," on Saturday, November 19. Beatrice Mtetwa, a human-rights attorney from Zimbabwe, will give the lunch keynote address. A workshop entitled "New Tactics in Human Rights" will "provide practical skills for combating human rights abuses." Torture survivors, lawyers, scholars, and others will make up several panels.

    The conference is open and free to the public. It's sponsored by Colby's Oak Institute for Human Rights. For more information, check out www.colby.edu/oak (http://www.colby.edu/oak)

    Another penal expert in Maine concurs, and he has more than academic expertise with the prison system. Peter Lehman, who has a doctorate in sociology and who formerly taught criminology at the University of Southern Maine, is himself on probation after spending five years at the former Maine State Prison, in Thomaston, and the nearby prison farm. Lehman was convicted, in 1998, of taking sexual photographs of four girls, aged 12 to 15, and having sex with a 15-year-old.

    Talking with Lehman on the phone, I am struck by his extraordinary combination of practical and scholarly insights. I suggest we meet, which we do in an Augusta coffee shop.

    He is a diminutive, bearded 60-year-old. He lives in the mid-coast and is trying to earn a living as an entrepreneur. The Internet-posted state registry of sex offenders makes earning a living difficult.

    "I'll never get a job," he says.

    He tends to become professorial when talking about his expertise.

    "Most crimes are expressive, not instrumental," he asserts, using sociological terms. What he means is that it is an emotion, such as rage or fear, or the high of an addictive behavior, that drives many people to commit crimes, both outside of and within prison -- and not the calculation of benefits, not the view of the crime as a means to an end.

    "Have you ever slammed a door when you're angry or frustrated?" he asks. "It feels good. It's not instrumental, but expressive."

    He calls the Supermax "simply one end of a continuum in the prison system." How to stop Supermax inmates from throwing urine and feces? The "prison thinks the way to deal with that is punishment," Lehman says, "but [the inmate's action] is not a calculated, rational decision. This is an expression of rage."

    Lehman believes prisons breed antisocial behavior: "Say an inmate borrows a magazine or a CD from someone else. One of the rules is 'no giving or receiving.' If person A is caught with B's CD and the officer wants to push it, both are subject to disciplinary action. People can actually lose [good] time for that. It could mean that you could lose privileges. You could actually lose your job or get sent to the Supermax."

    He continues: "Now most of us as human beings would think it's a virtue to loan something to somebody to help them out." But in prison, this social behavior is penalized.

    Despite these antisocial rules, Lehman says, "one of the most amazing things is how much [inmates] risk punishment to help each other. . . . But to be generous they have to lie, pretend, sneak around.

    "Incarceration creates a situation where all of the kinds of issues that you have are very typically heightened -- trauma, degradation, lack of a sense of self. I'm not sure that I met more than a handful of men in prison who didn't have a trauma history. Prison deepens these kinds of issues and wounds.

    "There is an arbitrariness about discipline. The rules are such that it is virtually impossible to avoid a situation where anybody can get busted at any time." Most guards mean well, he says, but they are stuck in a bad system.

    McEwen agrees with Lehman's view that crime is mostly expressive. And he thinks Lehman's description of how the prison rewards antisocial behavior is "a great insight." The Supermax was basically designed to prevent cooperative behavior, McEwen says. By isolating people, supermaxes "don't socialize people to get along with each other."

    Do We Want To Change Things?
    The more cynical prisoners and civilians will tell you the prison "industry" is a big business that thrives on crime, recidivism, and severe, counterproductive punishment, as evidenced by the enormous prison building boom of the past 20 years, by the growth of large private prison corporations nationally (there are no private prisons in Maine), and by strong guard unions that contribute to politicians' campaign treasuries. There are many salaries and careers tied up in the caretaking of prisoners.

    "Recidivism is money in the bank" for this industry, Supermax prisoner Deane Browne tells me.

    Even the less cynical among political observers would tend to place government corrections budgets, like the budgets for the mentally ill, far down the funding-priority ladder.

    And everyone to whom I asked the question agreed prisons are dumping grounds for the mentally ill.

    "That's true of every [correctional] system," says Denise Lord, the associate corrections commissioner. Some estimates of the recidivism of mentally ill prisoners are as high as 80 percent. The state corrections department estimates that 85 percent of inmates in its system have mental illness or substance-abuse problems. Lord says that 40 percent of the state prison's inmates are on psychotropic drugs.

    She also says Maine has a greater percentage of mentally ill prisoners than any other state. In chorus, both Commissioner Magnusson and Lord emphatically say they want to put more mentally ill prisoners into mental health facilities -- but there is no room for them because the beds at these facilities are all full.

    It is almost a given in political circles that the public and its legislators are callous about what happens in the prisons -- though they are concerned about crime, especially when a notorious crime occurs and politicians can make hay over it.

    "Society is ignorant of this stuff because they don't want to hear [about it]," says Chuck Limanni, a Supermax prisoner I interviewed, about prison abuse. "They don't realize this stuff is hurting them, too. The majority in here are getting out. Most of the time they're worse off than they were, and they create more harm. They learn to hate."

    He adds: "While being punished, it would be good to learn a skill." Limanni says that the last time he was out of prison, he and his girlfriend had a $1300-a-day cocaine habit that needed to be fed, and for many addicts the only way to do it is to steal.

    Bowdoin sociologist Craig McEwen comments on "the politicization of crime, fed by the media. We demonize certain types of criminal activity, reinforcing the notion that more punishment is better -- the language of 'toughness on crime' . . . it's politically profitable."

    In analyzing "tough on crime" attitudes, both doctors McEwen and Lehman speak of "moral panics," which, according to one dictionary definition, is "a mass movement based on the false or exaggerated perception that some individual or group . . . is dangerously deviant and poses a menace to society. Moral panics are generally fueled by media coverage of social issues."

    The relationship of legislation to moral panics is close, McEwen says. In the sociological community, "there is a good deal of agreement on the political momentum that builds from one or two well-publicized cases." He mentions the first President Bush's notorious "Willie Horton" TV ad from the 1988 presidential campaign that drove many state legislatures to wipe out parole for convicts. After one little girl was killed in a brutal way in New Jersey, states instituted "Megan's Law" sex-offender registries.

    Even the Department of Corrections seems to agree, at least in part, with the moral-panic problem. Both Magnusson and Lord express concern about legislators in the coming session leading a charge to invent new crimes or establish tougher penalties for crimes -- arising, for example, from a trucker involved in a fatal accident while driving after license suspension. Or from national news about identity theft or methamphetamine manufacture.

    But lack of concern may be a bigger obstacle to prison reform than panic is. Senator Bill Diamond, the Democrat from Windham who is chair of the state's Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee which oversees the state correctional system, has not had any problems expressed to him about mentally ill prisoners in the Supermax, he says in a phone interview.

    There is a problem with funding, however, for the prison, he says. The Legislature required an extra $1.5-million cut in the corrections budget in the last session, he explains, and "I suspect there are funding deficiencies in all their areas." His party controls the Legislature.

    Diamond, who has worked as a lobbyist for the Elan School, the Poland Spring facility that puts troubled young people through controversial therapy (it was investigated by the state in 2002 for alleged abuse of its clients) agrees that "there is not a lot of support" from the public for prison funding: "People have other priorities" -- such as, at the moment, he says, how to heat their homes when fuel-oil prices are sky-high. He did not seem terribly interested in the subject of Supermax
     ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 01:56:26 PM
    :shamrock:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 01:57:02 PM
    :shamrock:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 02:35:32 PM
    To  The Élan Group:                                 My name is Mark, I was resident at the House in the early 70s and when I was there I saw things and heard  things I  really  should have paid more attention to. Now  I write 30 years later in anger and disappointment with the things that have and might still go on there. I was raised to believe that  loyalty everything I am full of  disappointment when I read that guys like Wiggins pulled a move like that or  Collman my he rest in Hell  If he thought Elan was hard well he in for one real good time now.I pray that  God was good enough to let Big Joe go to Hell and give him a old  style tune up.                                          I believe Mike was the guy who went home with me one time to Chicago,I think that was his last name Jeff G would know he was around   then with his little I think Gold MG convertible and Eddy had a  Buick Electra Black,and Big Joe had his Jag 4 door and his black hat and long coat. I spent many years  in the automobile dismantling trades   I am glad Mike never got too close. I could still be in prison. Any  group you join in life loyalty is most important, not just to the  group but to you. It might sound crazy I missed the house when I left and really felt misplaced .Most of you there right now don’t even deserve to hear or read this letter. Because your probably not  true to yourself or anyone yet in life because you have not hit that wall . I wish Big Joe was around to tell all of you about the wall and what it really means.You guys probably think its just for Gms and to vent boy are you wrong. And for ones that had  the honor  to talk to Joe that was probably  one of the best questions to ask him.                                                                  I was never afraid of Big Joe or his past he did not scare me or intimidate me,He helped  me save my own life.We maybe got a little closer than most due to some back and Fourths with the state I was from. But he saw I had loyalty,and drive.Was I a fucked up kid.know one will ever know how bad I was. The statues of limitations don’t run that far.  My state had me on  diesel  therapy  for many years before Elan. So by the time I got there it was a vacation in the north woods. Yes  there was its share of bullshit and people running around like someone stuck a happy rod up their ass. Screaming and yelling and acting like  they lost their minds,  and  yes some of them would have beaten to death anywhere else, But I was smart enough to relies that I put myself her no one else, and compare to some of the things the state tried,this wasn’t so bad. Just stay out of the way and listen.                                             Maybe  Elan should adopt a policy of no weak people. Yes give a test to get in, it’s a school right??? Because change takes strong people not weak .You put the weak in hospital and on drugs.not off of drugs . They need that kind of help because they  are not and  “don’t want be” strong. They need their hands held. Why take up space for the strong that can be helped.???And maybe not admit it but want help.I got a hold of Big Joe back in the mid 80s he was running for or getting ready to run for Gov of the state..I thanked him for his kindness and concern when I was a kid and that he was 100% right about the wall. And how sorry I was for being such an  asshole kid.                                          Big Joe and me had many good talks I  always asked him to keep our  calls and conversation just between us and he did I know he did. Joe knew loyalty and trust.I would not be free if he didnt’t. I confided  in him with things that  would make  Skakel look like a church boy, I was a collector for a family business. And if it wasnt’t for people like Joe that had  grew up a hard life I really in  my position at the time would have had no one to talk to and man I needed some one  just to know I was not going crazy.                                                                     You folks that think Elan and I don’t know why they call it school.it’s a house with people who are all in bad spots in life and hopefully become a family to solve them, that think its hard just wait to  really be on your    own   life comes at you 500 miles an hour.Its like a dance sometimes you lead sometimes you follow I wanted to write a letter  asking how everyone is doing and  see who might  still be around.Like Jeff, Marty,Eddy. But as  I looked  I found all of this bullshit about the House and quite honestly I am shocked. I was  there around the  beginning  of Elan and I pride myself on always being very smart and on top of things all my life,good or bad I  knew what I was getting into, But to save my life I don’t remember any abuse or bad things going on. Was it paradise no,but then I wasnt’t on my own yet as an  adult. And looking back it was paradise.                                                   Maybe like Joe told me one night on the way back from Portland at about 2 or was it 3 in the morning Jeff G. that I was too much like him and that I will hit that wall one day and then the things he said will come back and make some sense.  Well he was right, And when that federal judge and state courts together gave 110 years. Guess who's words him my head. And I  know that the  some of the things I learned at Elan pulled me threw it. Most of all never give up and always try and make it. I went back on appeal and lost 100 years of my sentence and spent 5 on 10 years bit.I asked some of the lifers why they never killed themselves  and they said as long as your alive your life can change. And that nothing is forever good or bad. Those words have carried me threw life, And when times are hard I remember those things.I own a handyman  service  and some rental properties in Chicago and  NJ. So hard times  isnt’t just money its just life.                                                         The night Joe picked up in Portland I still to this day feel bad for him,He should have  put a bullet in my head on the way back to the house Lord knows I deserved it, and the roads were very dark in Maine in the 70s and all woods. I jerked him around so much,and he always gave me a break. Oh I got Gms and shot down and went to Parsons Field. I was also an expeditor and some good things too. Most of all I was young and just did not get it yet. I wasn’t  a drug addict like Big Joe, I was a risk addict, and that’s worse. I had no regard for my  life or anyone else's, When it came time for crime I was there, I thought I could live high forever  I tied coke and smoked some pot but that was not my thrill, Action was anything involving some kind of chance. I never liked gambling but I did think how great it would be to rob a  gambling house.                                                            My life is good and I am as happy as I will admit hah hah. But I do miss the house,    maybe not the one that’s  there now, I miss the house I was in I miss Jeff  I miss Marty and Eddy  M. and some others and  most of all I miss Big Joe. I plan to be out east maybe  late this year or next year to check on some property I have in NJ, I would like to see the house again. And not just from the driveway hah  hah. And hook up with you Marty &Jeff and maybe just talk, and scream into the mountains and maybe cry for a while with some old friends that do understand and don’t see weakness they see  a strong person just having  time out from life. Some just reaching for a hand not a bottle of something to make things go away..  Talk and understanding are  permanent things. Everything else is just a  bandage. And why would you put a bandage on a gunshot would when you can permanently fix things??                                                                        I hope in  these totally  misspelled words you see the wall now if not reread the letter. Everyone goes  threw life different and I have seen more than I ever  wanted to but everything I have seen has taught me something. I would prefer that the reason for my letter is my own business, Sharon knows why the letter came, And I am glad I wrote it, and thank you for asking me too. I loved that place, and I am far from crazy I think. It just when I was there everyone seemed to be going in the same direction. And the ones that weren’t well they needed help along and I am glad I got that help because the people I met on my vacation in the north woods helped forever in my life and still do.                                                                                        Thank You  Brothers & Sister                                  Take care of our house in the woods                                                                                                                                         P.S.                                       I f my letter sounds more like a primal group or a General Meeting via  mail, then it is.         I just cant describe how I screwed up by ever leaving. The House. I can blame it on the state or  my confusion  , but  I know it was my own eagerness  to become an adult and be on my own that screwed me. I never gave myself a chance to grow up and be a kid .I came from money and some power, but at an early age I screwed that up. I was told I was adopted when I was real young and instead of embracing it as a gift, I took it as an insult from my real parents and so my life went on always  feeling  kind of kicked to the curb so to speak .                        Its  taken me most of my life to shake that feeling, and I don’t know that I ever have, but I did learn to manage it in a way were it is not my constant problem or reason for things not going right all the time.  And guess what happened, I grew up. I took my life  and it failures and successes and made them work for me. I remember nothing is forever good or bad, Thank you to the Lifers in prison and that  you must be positive in life even when negativity is chasing you like a rabbit. Thank you Elan. That there are walls out there that you will hit threw life, how hard is up to you as well as avoiding them is too .Thank  you Big Joe. And that   life  has to be what you make it .I was in prison like I said before, and turned out in the end spending 4 years there . I was in States ville in Illinois and then  1 year  Marion fed in Illinois. Some how I made it threw, and why because it is what you make it, I had some things going for me inside. But in thinking all those connections are the reason I am here and yes they did help a lot .in my appeal I gave back 100 years of time to the Feds and had great connections in prison. I never had a fight or argument with anyone, except some hacks, but everyone had trouble with the rules. that’s kind of what brought us  all together there. But we were in a correctional center. I guess to be corrected ,ha ha .                     But the gift in that is that I was able to see how it would be without the friends I  had  in there to make it,  and some of the people had it tuff. But half of them made it that way by not doing their own time and still fucking around and getting into things they had no business  .Prison was and is just a small microcosm of our world. So is Elan and both have a great gift to give, and that is common sense,  That in life we relies is not so common and must be gained and saved. .In  Elan they yell and scream, and a lot of times it from people that  need to be yelled at themselves. I never liked yelling and screaming. And how did I avoid that? I stayed away from the things that triggered those kind of responses. I took responsibility for my life and actions, I have always had a bad temper I mean bad, and it got me into a lot of trouble over the years. And sometimes still does I have temper tantrums so fast people don’t even know I had it. I am the guy that will go in the opposite  direction right now, and walk away. Leaving whatever was there, there and not looking back. Almost a  Stallone  attitude. But it works. People that really know me see what happens but I avoid the confrontation in front of me.                                    Every challenge in life is not yours to take on and knowing your limitations in life is key, never fear anything but God himself,  everything else is just temporary. And Elan is going to tell you that and try and show you that and for some it works others in one ear and out the other, and I understand that totally  Because  no one ever told me anything , but I was shown some things I wish I would have been told.  When my state sent me there in 1974 early 1975 they sent 11 of us, It was like Castro when he sent the refugees and dumped the prison and crazy houses and sent them. to the U.S. in boats. We  were like a test project for Mary Lee Leahy and she sent the best from the state she could find. Big Joe and Doc had an uphill battle from the start. A few of us me included were just out of hand all the time, always trying the easy way out of anything and just up to no good, and the rest needed lots of drugs  and quiet time by themselves.                     In the end when Ms . Leahy pulled her whole card 3 of us non crazy went into our survival mode and  escaped, It was a chapter in life I will never forget. We got that Bitch at her own game {con troll} she at the helm was as crazy as some of the doctors, and counselors . Elan was a vacation in the north woods. Yes there were rules but there was love and caring and compassion when you needed  it, someone to talk to about anything. And I did not pour my life secrets to everyone ,but  I had some people I could .And I will tell you it is hard to find that in life and not be judged for what you say or looked at differently. Take advantage of those ears, and be most of all  be careful of whose ears .Because only someone who thinks like you will truly understand you, and that means you need to see just who you are ,and  what you are by watching others around you. Your twins are in the room, and they probably are  there for completely  different reasons that you are. And that is what makes the chase in life so interesting. Because that is life we will  always be looking for people like ourselves . And I believe Elan does that. And gives that chance,  take advantage of that, no amount of anything can buy that gift.
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 02:44:57 PM
    I got no response after a letter like that, I knew I wasn't crazy that place was for real not in my head,I started reading and just got mad. I know it cant be like when we were there Danny ,but it cant be pretty according to latest opinions eather.  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 02:54:22 PM
    ELAN SCHOOL ARTICLES 1975
    Lewiston Daily Sun, Saturday, August 2, 1975
    Visit to Elan One Impresses Longley
    By GEOFFREY GEVALT Sun Staff Writer

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    POLAND SPRING - After an hour-long visit late Friday afternoon at Elan One, Gov. James B. Longley came away feeling "impressed," but he said that no formal statement will be made until next week, after he has had a chance to review the reports of the state's evaluation team.

    Longley's visit to the rehabilitation center was prompted by allegations from Mary Lee Leahy, director of the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services.

    The director claimed that the emotionally disturbed youngsters were being mentally and physically abused, and after an evaluation team from her department viewed the center at Upper Range Pond, the 11 Illinois children in the program were ordered home. Three of the children have since returned voluntarily to Elan, and a fourth has began litigation to return.

    Elan's founder, Joseph J. Ricci, characterized the allegations as slanderous and said he will be filing a $3 million suit against Leahy, the Illinois DCFS evaluation team and the state itself. During his visit, Longley talked with one of the Illinois children as well as 10 other youngsters.

    "I was very impressed that the kids were saying that the program was helping them," Longley commented.

    But Longley would go no further for the moment, saying that he first wanted to talk with Illinois Gov. Daniel Walker. He noted that he had tried to reach Walker Friday evening, but had not been able to. Longley hopes to reach him this weekend.

    Longley said that he will meet with Maine Health and Welfare Commissioner David E. Smith and the evaluators from his department on Monday.

    Smith said Friday night that he had not had any feedback from his seven staffers, but "the initial indication" is that the allegations from the people of Illinois have no foundation."

    The commissioner explained that three evaluation teams from Connecticut, Massachusetts and Rhode Island have already given favorable reports on the center.

    The evaluation by the Maine officials, including a psychologist and psychiatrist, was requested by Longley, who said that a formal statement from the study will be released "no later than Wednesday."

    But as to Elan's activity in the next week, Ricci commented "we're going to try to get life back to normal. The victims in this whole thing have been the kids. I think we'll have a huge picnic…something to relieve the tensions."

    Ricci said that Longley had a chance to talk with evaluators from both Maine and Connecticut during his visit.

    The governor was appreciative that the Elan administration was open and cooperative.

    Commenting on why he came back to Elan, one Illinois youth said "I came back because I wanted to get help, and I knew this was the only place I could get it."

    The 18-year-old believes that his state's charges were trumped up.

    "We tried to tell the investigators that they were crazy, but they weren't interested in what we felt about Elan. The just kept trying to convince us it was a bad place."

    Ricci reportedly has stated that the Illinois investigators were rude and biased and were eventually asked to leave because of it.

    The children at Elan's six centers, located in Poland Spring, Auburn, Parsonsfield and Waterford, are mostly from detention centers, state hospitals and foster homes. They have been in drugs, prostitution and larceny and have other emotional problems.

    Elan administrators say that their program can work with these kids and object to the allegations and the way they were first reported in the news.

    Ricci claims that the whole issue is a result of political haggling in the State of Illinois, concerning whether problem youths should be sent to out of state institutions.

    Speculation is that Elan's fee, $1,200 a month, may also have been a reason for Illinois to take the kids out of the center.

    Ricci has reportedly commented that Leahy was "acting outside the scope of her own authority" and the allegations made "are quite frankly a lie."

    Ricci claims that the state's evaluation team came for an express purpose of finding fault to give the state an excuse to back out.

    Elan is a controversial program, Smith noted at a recent news conference, and staffers from his agency have been working with the centers.

    "You've got to remember these are some of the toughest children around," he said.


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    Lewiston Evening Journal, Thursday, August 7, 1975
    Investigation Shows No Evidence of Abuse at Elan One Center
    By MAUREEN CONNOLLY Associated Press Writer

    AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) - A preliminary investigation of the Elan One treatment center found no evidence of abuse and mistreatment of youngsters, state officials reported today.

    The investigation into the Poland Spring center for troubled youngsters was launched last week after the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services withdrew 11 Illinois state wards from the facility, charging they had been mistreated.

    State officials said the report was the unanimous opinion of the investigative team.

    "The Maine investigation revealed no evidence of unjustifiable denials of civil liberties or of mistreatment, brutality or anything that could be considered abhorrent to all acceptable standards of child care," the Maine Department of Health and Welfare said in a statement.

    "The investigation revealed that the Elan program was one of significant value that was achieving positive results in dealing with adolescents who had failed to respond to more traditional treatment or correctional methods," according to the statement.

    Investigators said they felt "the staff appeared dedicated, competent, and caring and the residents of Elan appeared healthy, responsive, content and supportive of the program, staff and other residents of Elan."

    The report continued "The residents interviewed usually expressed newly found feelings of dignity, self-assurance and mental well-being, and they attributed these feelings to the treatment they were receiving at Elan."

    Gov. James B. Longley ordered Health and Welfare Commissioner David E. Smith to evaluate Elan after Mary Lee Leahy, head of the Illinois agency made the abuse charges.

    She said the children were subjected to degrading treatment and violent punishment.

    The staff of Elan, a privately owned facility, denied the abuse charges and said they were the result of political infighting among Illinois officials.

    Several young people at Elan also told reporters in private that the charges were false.

    The Department of Health and Welfare said it will send a final report to Illinois, incorporating the findings of other investigators from Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island. In addition, Smith said an Illinois evaluation team has been invited back to Maine to meet with other investigators.

    The Maine investigation was conducted through Health and Welfare's Office of Alcoholism and Drug Abuse Prevention. Team members included a psychiatrist, a psychologist, and attorneys.
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    The Lewiston Daily Sun, Friday, August 8, 1975
    State Probe Gives Elan a Clean Bill of Health

    AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) - A preliminary report by state officials Thursday cleared the Elan One youth treatment center of charges of child abuse. The Department of Health and Welfare released the results of a week-long investigation into the Poland Spring center for troubled youngsters.

    The state action was taken after the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services withdrew 11 Illinois state wards from the facility, charging they had been mistreated.

    Maine officials said the report was the unanimous opinion of the investigative team.

    "The Maine investigation revealed no evidence of unjustifiable denials of civil liberties or of mistreatment, brutality or anything that could be considered abhorrent to all acceptable standards of child care," the report said.

    "The investigation revealed that the Elan program was one of significant value that was achieving positive results in dealing with adolescents who had failed to respond to more traditional treatment or correctional methods," according to the report.

    Investigators said they felt "the staff appeared dedicated, competent, and caring, and the residents of Elan appeared healthy, responsive, content and supportive of the program and other residents of Elan."

    Gov. James B. Longley ordered Health and Welfare Commissioner David E. Smith to evaluate Elan after Mary Lee Leahy, head of the Illinois agency made the abuse charges.

    The director said the children were subjected to degrading treatment and violent punishment.

    The staff of Elan, a privately owned facility, and its residents denied the abuse charges. Staff members said the allegations were the result of political infighting among Illinois officials.

    The Department of Health and Welfare said it will send a final report to Illinois, incorporating the findings of other investigators from Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island. In addition, Smith said an Illinois evaluation team has been invited back to Maine to meet with other investigators.
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    Portland Press Herald, Friday, August 8, 1975
    Elan Center Cleared in Preliminary Report

    AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) - A preliminary report by state officials Thursday cleared the Elan One youth treatment center of charges of child abuse.

    The Department of Health and Welfare released the results of a week-long investigation into the Poland Spring center for troubled youngsters.

    The state action was taken after the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services withdrew 11 Illinois state wards from the facility, charging they had been mistreated.

    Maine officials said the report was the unanimous opinion of the investigative team.

    "The Maine investigation revealed no evidence of unjustifiable denials of civil liberties or of mistreatment, brutality or anything that could be considered abhorrent to all acceptable standards of child care," the report said.

    "The investigation revealed that the Elan program was one of significant value that was achieving positive results in dealing with adolescents who had failed to respond to more traditional treatment or correctional methods," according to the report.

    Investigators said they felt "the staff appeared dedicated, competent, and caring, and the residents of Elan appeared healthy, responsive, content and supportive of the program and other residents of Elan."

    The report continued "The residents interviewed usually expressed newly found feelings of dignity, self-assurance and mental well-being, and they attributed these feelings to the treatment they were receiving at Elan."

    Gov. James B. Longley ordered Health and Welfare Commissioner David E. Smith to evaluate Elan after Mary Lee Leahy, head of the Illinois agency made the abuse charges.

    She said the children were subjected to degrading treatment and violent punishment.

    The staff of Elan, a privately owned facility, and its residents denied the abuse charges. Staff members said the allegations were the result of political infighting among Illinois officials.

    The Department of Health and Welfare said it will send a final report to Illinois, incorporating the findings of other investigators from Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island. In addition, Smith said an Illinois evaluation team has been invited back to Maine to meet with other investigators.
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    Portland Press Herald, Monday, August 11, 1975
    Elan is Cleared

    The Department of Health and Welfare, in a preliminary report, has cleared Elan One of charge of child abuse.

    We're delighted at that finding and are confident if a more detailed report follows it will be in the same vein. From the information that had been made public, it would have been difficult to understand any other conclusion. But it is good to have a clean bill of health made official.

    The investigation came after the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services withdrew 11 of its wards from the Poland Spring facility charging mistreatment. But officials of two other states immediately conducted their own investigations and found no reason to withdraw any of their wards, nothing that they could classify as mistreatment.

    It was significant, too, that two of the young people returned to Illinois promptly ran away and came back to Elan One at Poland Spring. No one runs away to get back to people who abuse them. They obviously wanted what Elan One was offering.

    What seems to be in much greater need of thorough investigation than Elan One is the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services. If the Illinois governor and other appropriate officials are as diligent in probing their own department as Maine officials have been in checking the Illinois complaint against Elan One, they might find something truly scandalous.

    The real tragedy here is those nine young Illinois people who are being denied the help that their troubled contemporaries at Elan One are receiving - and that other Illinois young people might receive in the future.
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    Portland Press Herald, Wednesday, October 22, 1975
    Connecticut Investigators Okay Elan

    POLAND SPRING, Maine (AP) - Connecticut investigators say they will continue sending youths with severe problems to a controversial care facility where therapy includes having the kids scream at each other.

    "The kids we send to Elan are those we would have had to send to an adult correctional facility or a maximum security mental hospital," says Anthony Lovallo, director of treatment for the Connecticut Department of Children and Youth Services.

    His boss, Commissioner Francis Maloney, says the program has helped most of the Connecticut youths sent there but adds there has not been a complete follow-up study.

    The program is conducted by the Elan Corp., which runs five therapeutic communities in the Lewiston area. Connecticut has put troubled youths in Elan's care since 1973.

    "We don't screen any of these kids before they come here. We don't care what their problems are or what crimes they have committed. After all, there has to be some place to treat kids like this," says Joseph Ricci, a former drug addict and Elan's therapeutic director.

    To those unaccustomed to the program, screams coming from Elan's converted farm house often are terrifying. The visitor soon discovers it's part of the program.

    "Primal scream is simply a way to give these kids an exit for their pain," Ricci says. "You can't hold anything back while screaming. The mind can't do two things at once."

    The therapy also involves intense encounter group sessions and peer group pressures.

    About 30 Connecticut youths, most of them with lengthy juvenile court records and most between 13 and 16 years old, are in Elan programs. Connecticut pays between $670 and $800 monthly per youth, which officials say is cheaper than at other private facilities. Regardless of cost, says Lovallo, Elan takes children unacceptable to other private facilities.

    The Elan program recently gained attention when Illinois withdrew its children. State investigators said children were forced into boxing rings to settle disputes and some were handcuffed and placed in straitjackets.
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 03:07:06 PM
    I was one of the three kids that returned obviously, it was the time of my life I could sneer at my captors and they couldn't do shit, so I thought ,once I got Personified, I did have some fun and stayed out of groups and hair-cuts etc, but my fun ran out after I bolted a couple of times. They put me in Personified so I would be safe??????. But I asked for it, and it was quite a blur in contrast to some of the things I have seen in life, so I always disregarded it until I started reading some of the things allot of people were saying now. And said that is fucked up, and some kids aren't like me and just suck it up and adapt.I see were it could be quite traumatic for people of weaker mental tolerances, I tried to put that gently.Just some people are harder than others and thats fine , but dont put them both in the same positions knowing one will fold.Thats fucked -up
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 05:23:21 PM
    :notworthy:  :soapbox:  :karma:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jamin:  :rasta:  ::OMG::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 05:35:42 PM
    Wake up, Ebenezer Sembler before it's too late
    Sun, 2009-01-04 11:14 — WesleyFager
    Ambassador Sembler dines in luxury while the little boy injured at Baywalk is about to be evicted.

    Mankind was my business. The ghost of Jacob Marley from "A Christmas Carol."

    In February 2007 a speaker fell on 4 year old Josiah Wineberger from a second story balcony at the Baywalk Shopping Center in St. Petersburg, Fl., crushing him and fracturing his skull. Doctors said he would never walk again, but, with intense physical therapy, Josiah is not only walking but he's talking like any boy his age.

    Melvin Sembler, AO, is our former ambassador to Italy. If you are familiar with Ambassador Sembler you know that he and his wife Betty founded and operated Straight, Inc., a national-level, juvenile substance abuse treatment program, for 17 years. The abuse that kids sustained at Straight, Inc. are a national disgrace and over 40 former clients have committed suicide.

    Straight earned $100 million--tax free. But that's peanuts to Ambassador Sembler who makes his real money building and leasing shopping centers. Shopping centers like Baywalk where Josiah Wineberger was nearly killed last year. The Semblers live a life of opulence, traveling from here to there anywhere in the world in their private jet. In 2003 the Semblers held
    The Mother of all Toga Parties (turn on sound before linking) in Rome when they celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary at their Magic Kingdom by inviting all the Who's Who's from St. Petersburg and Washington.
    Mel Sembler even convinced the US Congress to buy a $100 million memorial in Rome to honor his greatness.
    But while Mel and Betty were eating caviar this Hanukkah, the Wineberger's position worsened. The day after Christmas, an electrical fire sparked in their home and now the fire department has declared it unsafe to live in. Worse still, the home is facing foreclosure.

    You might recall that Ambassador Sembler once sued Ray Bradbury for recovery of a medical device, but much to his chagrin, the story made international news. Sembler had thought that Bradbury would cave, we suppose, but Bradbury did not, and the judge finally set a trial date for April 10 - April 21, 2006. The ambassador did not want the trial to go on so he made a motion (and the judge granted it) to postpone it. Why? He decided to take his family on a holiday. He decided to fly his entire family to Israel for the Passover from April 10 to April 20! So we know the Semblers do enjoy their religious retreats.

    Mr. Sembler, thousands of kids have been harmed by you at Straight. You have a reputation for sticking it to your fellow citizens in your business dealings. Couldn't you spare a little change to help Josiah Wineberger and his family this holiday. It would not have to be an admission of guilt. Just a gesture to lend a hand to someone hurt at one of your projects.

    It's a tradition in my family to watch "A Christmas Carol" each year around this time. We always watch the 1951 movie version starring Alistair Simms. When the third spirit takes Ebenezer Scrooge to his future grave, it chills me to the bone because I know Dickens is speaking directly to me. I'm old Mel, but you're older. Maybe you and I had better wake up.

    Here's a link to the Josiah Wineberger story.
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 05:40:52 PM
    mark bare with me here ok..i dont get it. plz explain it to me a bit i just got lost in the meaning of your posting. the way i am taking it is that it is not too late for ppl to turn around admit mistakes and do the right thing? is this a fair assessment?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 08:54:08 AM
    I dont understand your question. i posted the things above to show the lack of out reach Elan has for students once gone from the program. And it was  what I corrected some of my thinking about the Elan experience.I thought a letter like that would have spurred some response and maybe a thank you for being loyal. I received nothing and thats when I realized this place was and is as fucked up as I thought all along but blamed it on myself and mixed up thought and recall.Also it kind of verifies I know what I am talking about as far as Elan and its after care policies. I tried and contact Marty and Jeff never a response why?? I left 10 messages for Jeff nice ones,and no response. I guess they are so involved in guilt that they are afraid to respond. This letter was prior to me making any public statements against Elan. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker: The Sembler portion is just an example of how people like Joe and Sharon can be dealt with. Obviously not Joe anymore.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 10:35:08 AM
    Edit postReport this postReply with quoteRe: Elan School investigation; current 2010
    by mark babitz » 2 minutes ago

    I believe this was the question that started the big who ha, I was told Elan people had not time for this stuff. Well this is how you bring the bad publicity to Ealn .This how you eventually close a door. Present day stuff, like Sharon Terry gets DUI or something like that, and run with it put it all over the web,on the Elan site for advanced users and hackers, for all to read.The horse track has covered their asses for years, and does back off investigators, and they have had much better people than most out here go after them unsuccessfully.So it is necessary to put them into a situation the track cant help. And thats by isolating Elan from the track threw bad publicity about Elan. We have to make the name Elan stand out way out in front of any Golden Ark Co holdings .Need to put the Pinehinge facility in the words etc.Leave no stone unturned. Local news is the life blood. They hide their tracks pretty well but not completely, so no one get discouraged ,the harder you look the more you will find and the better you get at looking. Some things are right in front of you. Its just paying attention to whats there, or following a thread or similar post etc.It takes time but the reward is there. :rocker:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 19, 2010, 10:48:10 AM
    ok another blonde moment ...lol got you.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 02:21:42 PM
    :notworthy: Allot of people have suggested that who knows and even cares , I dont say that to be little your statement. But there is too much debate over Danny all the time. And if I agree with you my post will get deleted. :peace:  ::unhappy::  :peace:  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 02:56:12 PM
    :soapbox:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: garystadler on January 19, 2010, 03:38:41 PM
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    by Inculcated » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:47 pm

    Hi Danny Bennison,
    I was startled to see how many of these programs you were in. I’m happy you’ve found a happiness and stability away from your addiction (21 years-nice) and very sincerely sorry that you had to endure so much to get there.

    What are the reasons that you were in three of these very similar, but separate programs? In addtion to Elan, I am very curious to know what your recollections of Daytop and Marathon House were like. Which facilities were you in?“A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free” Nikos Kazantzakis Inculcated
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Danny Bennison » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:17 pm

    Inculated, This name does not help me to want to open up and explain anything. If you want to give me your full name I will get more intimate with my personal history. It would also help if you could share your own experiences that relates to what I shared earlier if you can't identify with me in life history I would very much appreciate you not asking me questions so direct. Not trying to be snotty just setting the table that's all. My full name is Daniel Lee Bennison email ([email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])). Why because I can. Thanks Love and Peace Danny
    Laughs. Yeah, I’m sure the name would give someone pause.

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    One Elan resident trying to excerize his right to speak w/o judgement we all have a kinship with each other lets express it please. Love and Peace Danny ( My name is ( Daniel Lee Bennison) I had interpreted this from a previous post of yours coupled with that you mentioned having been in Daytop as an openness to discuss either program. My interest was piqued about your experiences of early Daytop, due to the fact that I had been in Daytop. If you’re not interested in being asked such direct questions you should probably abstain from offering blanket advice to others …

    Danny Bennison wrote:
    People find a spirit larger than you and humble yourself. That's what I do today. Peace of mind you don't know how valuable it is until you lost it. Lets move on find solutions and be humane that's what are fellow Elan family would want from us to be of service. Peace and Love Danny
    A statement like that conveys baseless assumptions about the reader before you’ve even finished typing it out . Did you make a lot of similar statements directed at anyone within earshot when you “worked at” Elan? How did that work for you?

    Danny Bennison wrote:
    It took me another 11yrs after I graduated 1/77 till 11/88 to clean up, sober up
    Since you’ve said you didn’t get clean until years following your time there, would that mean you were using while working at Elan or otherwise?

    Danny Bennison wrote:
    Inculated, This name does not help me to want to open up and explain anything. If you want to give me your full name I will get more intimate with my personal history. It would also help if you could share your own experiences that relates to what I shared earlier if you can't identify with me in life history I would very much appreciate you not asking me questions so direct. Not trying to be snotty just setting the table that's all. My full name is Daniel Lee Bennison email ([email protected]). Why because I can. Thanks Love and Peace Danny
    No, I will not be giving you my full name. “Why because I can” and the like…I’m not interested in hearing any more of. I can understand very much why you would appreciate not being asked for specifics. Those are a little harder to come up with than slogans and No, I will not be communicating with you off Forum. There’s no need for it.
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Danny Bennison » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:24 pm

    Man you really enjoy yourself , I bet you were just waiting for someone new to show up so you could do exactly what you did. LOL Dude/ Dudess relax your still in charge I concede the high ground, I'm here in a peaceful spirit. This type of verbal boxing doesn't excite me anymore, I don't know what riled you up but obviously you chose not to take advice. Stop being in charge for awhile let your guard down reveal yourself and I'm sure we could have a decent conversation otherwise stay incognito and we can still talk but give up the intensity. No problems here dude I'm just a easy going guy. You pulled bits of my stories like I was in front of a congressional hearing ready to be voted in to something. We are normal folks writing I don't even remember what I ate this morning and don't care. I write from my heart and I didn't believe I was hurting anyone. But that doesn't give anyone the right to give unsolicited critic (maybe w/o the intensity). I love making freinds how about you. Love and Peace Danny P.S. (thought you had me uh!!) LOL
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Danny Bennison » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:31 pm

    The statement "why because I can" is a phrase used between my freinds, concerning giving out ones name and email. So many folks don't like to do that. I can, so I do. Man I forgot just how sensitive we addicts are (including me). Danny
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Danny Bennison » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:43 pm

    OH yes, you detective work paid I did get high while working at Elan, smoked 2 jionts but what really happened was I kicked off a career of alcoholism. Man I drank like no tomarrow with no concern for anything. That is what Alcoholics do there selfish. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it but by the "grace of God". Thanks Buddy
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Inculcated » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:04 am

    Danny Bennison wrote:
    (thought you had me uh!!)
    Not interested in having you, nor any parry and thrust with you. My brief interest in any possibility of you actually having insights into the early days of Marathon House, Daytop or Elan to share has waned. In eight short posts I’ve seen enough of your judgements and jargon to know there’s not much more that I would find substantive.
    … peace and doves and what have you.“A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free” Nikos Kazantzakis Inculcated
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Ursus » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:09 am

    Danny Bennison wrote:
    ...I spent from 6/71 till 1/77 incarcerated in one form or another. In drug treatment programs Daytop 71, Marathon house 73 and Elan 75 in between in and out of Y.C.C. in Cranston R.I. So I understand full well what everyone here is talking about and I am willing to be a student. But I won't just sit around and talk about the problem with no end in site, we also have to talk about the solution. To end here in 1971 I was twelve years old.
    That's some pretty heavy "dues" there, Danny. The thought occurs to me that all that time spent at the mercy of being "fixed" by proselytizing do-gooders, let alone at the tender age that ya got pulled into that mess, might very result in creating an "addiction" to, or need for, being in that kind of structured environment. I mean... what else did you know? Do you think that might have had something to do with why you ended up having a drinking problem while you were on staff at Elan?

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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Danny Bennison » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:16 am

    Hey if treating people like you do works for you great, I would really like to meet your alter Ego probably a nice person but I'm sure he can't be revealed b/cuz "inculate" likes to dominate with his anger. I hope you find peace maybe the next time you ask such questions you'll give a formal intro first it is only polite. Thanks for our brief encounter Danny
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Danny Bennison » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:36 am

    Ursula, Thanks for commenting I was dickering with someone who calls themselves "inculate". Well now w/o going into a long story yes I'm sure that had some to do w/ it . The other part is the addictive side of my personality whether I was incarcerated or not I had this. I remember in even younger years my obsessive/ compulsive behavior. Alcohole was just waiting for me. Now for my years of treatment centers I will tell you in a sort of sick twisted parable ironic way they kept me alive long enough long enough to learn why a conscious was important. Man my sense of indifference towards folks and society was bordering on weird.
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by wimbelton » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:07 am

    I was surely more of a drug-addict than you, that I know for a fact. Before Elan especially, but definitely post-Elan as well. Yet, I do not understand what that has to do with my statement.

    You clearly fall into category 3 for one main reason: you went back to Elan to work as a staff member.

    You obviously have a twisted mind. Who could experience Elan and then voluntarily go back to work as a staff member. You never got over that shit huh? You never shook Elan off of your back. You never stepped back and actually looked at what happened, did you?

    Then you went back to work as a staff member? You are either a greedy bastard, sick in the head, or are driven by some insane belief that you can 'help' people using the same skills that Elan taught you.

    Elan played you fool.

    Elan filled your head with bullshit in order to keep collecting $$$.

    You agree with people being in Elan now? In 2009? You think the program changed just because you were there 'back in the day'? It is no different now. Only now, they are praying on younger and more vulnerable children.

    Get a clue. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: garystadler on January 19, 2010, 03:53:10 PM
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    My full name is Daniel Lee Bennison email ([email protected]). Why because I can. Thanks Love and Peace Danny ...
    Man you dont get along with anyone, The above comes from the world wide web when you google Danny L Bennison. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker: Writing style cant forget writing styles.  And how did Randy Jackson join fornits on the 9 or 10th of January and today shows as joined yesterday and I have been talking and seeing him since last Thur, and so has everyone else Randy Jackson is a name that stands out, bad choice of an alias who ever and all of his post prior are gone,but the people like Raving Mad remember when they talked about some things and the dates were shifted. At Least if someones going to tamper with a site do it right and dont leave such sloppy clues and evidence.First off Randys a basher he stands out people notice him dummy,he not the quiet guy in the corner no one sees, Hes up front yell. You get an F-- in covert ops.Never do something your not good at with others that are STUPID. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
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    Post by: garystadler on January 19, 2010, 03:55:23 PM
    ::OMG:: Cant take this stuff away its downloaded and on the web. ::OMG::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Quasi Modo on January 19, 2010, 04:07:26 PM
    Danny Bennison, DB, or Douche Bag, whatever, this guy should be encouraged to keep his idiocy flowing straight from the tap.  He is the individual that makes every "warning signs of an abusive program" list:  ex-student becomes employee of his program after being "modified", runs amok abusing kids while working at Elan, leaves all fucked up with a drinking problem.  Yeah, Douche Bag, you are a shining example of what Elan produces.  You must be a very weak willed individual indeed.

    Like any other cultist, he will not tolerate infidels blaspheming his Elan.

    Fuck Elan, it's not a program, it's an all inclusive pogrom.

    Fuck Danny (Douche Bag) Bennison.  A fifty year old man should quit going by the childish "Danny", don't you think?  Grow up, you retarded adolescent.  If Elan did so much for you as a youngster, maybe you should find a program now that will make you a man.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 04:45:33 PM
    Quote from: "Quasi Modo"
    Danny Bennison, DB, or Douche Bag, whatever, this guy should be encouraged to keep his idiocy flowing straight from the tap.  He is the individual that makes every "warning signs of an abusive program" list:  ex-student becomes employee of his program after being "modified", runs amok abusing kids while working at Elan, leaves all fucked up with a drinking problem.  Yeah, Douche Bag, you are a shining example of what Elan produces.  You must be a very weak willed individual indeed.

    Like any other cultist, he will not tolerate infidels blaspheming his Elan.

    Fuck Elan, it's not a program, it's an all inclusive pogrom.

    Fuck Danny (Douche Bag) Bennison.  A fifty year old man should quit going by the childish "Danny", don't you think?  Grow up, you retarded adolescent.  If Elan did so much for you as a youngster, maybe you should find a program now that will make you a man.
    :rocker:  :rocker: Great post hope they dont delete it,Thank you for standing up Quasi Modo,More people should vent the truth and chase aways the nuts and undecided.Bring your friends over for a poke at Danny or his defenders. I know we can share info on Elan and still have some fun with Danny and his playmates.Use them for squeeze balls like at the office, or work. Nothing that takes your mind from your mission , just something to break up the day with.And they are fun to watch run. Make sure you download all your post to your computer to re post if deleted. I dont think Fornits is doing it ,its Moderators that are over stepping their bounds and it will come out eventually, And then they will go on the roaster and they know it, thats why they hide.There are too many offencive topics and post on this site for fornits to find anything over here, over the top.We aren't talking about fucking chickens or when we lit our last joint. By the way I would like the joint passed please, but know chicken for me thank you, that fornits would have time to fuck with us about keeping it clean.This little site like the last one we jumped on here ,has more views almost than any other forums I am not saying most but right on top with them so people like what they see for the most part and love the drama, and it brings out feelings and emotion, and I am privileged to be on the same site with ex-staff, so I can watch them and help take them apart and humiliate them, just like they did to people at Elan :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 05:10:21 PM
    :waaaa: POSTINGS THAT DO NOT SUIT YOU.
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    OMFG YOU DO NOT GOT TAPEWORM IN YOUR GINA HONEY..TO BE HONEST YOU ARE NOT A GIRL EITHER. GIRLS WOULD NOT COME UP WITH TAPEWORM THEORIES. THIS IS A MAN TOTALLY. I ALREADY HAVE A CLUE WHO YOU ARE AND YOU KNOW IT TOO.
    The study of parasites and symbionts can be fascinating, both scientifically as well as philosophically!  ::OMG::  ::unhappy::
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 08:58:01 PM
    Being accepted by Felice is no honor, its and insult. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:06:33 PM
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:09:07 PM
    :jawdrop: Why on a free for all site would anyone censor post its a free for all as introduced? :rasta:  :rasta:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:10:31 PM
    :jawdrop: Open Free for All
    This is a forum that is for ANY topic that you desire. It is as the name intended, a free for all.  :jawdrop:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:12:25 PM
    :rasta:  :rasta: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

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    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:16:45 PM
    :cheers:  aspergers?
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:23:02 PM
    :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls: In 25 minutes Jackson covered 5 forums including posts. must type 100 words per minute, unfortunately ,,and I could be wrong but,, I know I am not ,I timed it. This site wont let you post that fast and you couldn't adjust yourself to each site to review and respond that fast somebody try it.Thats 5 minutes per forum to read and then write and submit and review, not likely.  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :feedtrolls:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:32:03 PM
    :jawdrop: If you read the post to respond to them and Jackson has read them from Jacksons post its awful hard to believe the speed.To me it smells like an inside job, just like Jackson appearing last week and joining today. Very sloppy hiding and maneuvering, Just like post being removed from a Free For All Forum,its a conterdictions of what was said by  site Directors and I dont think they are aware, and I wont run and tell its more fun this way. ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:46:54 PM
    ::unhappy:: I think the troll will surface soon :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls: We like trolls here ::deadhorse::  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:50:39 PM
    :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :feedtrolls:  ::unhappy::  :peace:  ::unhappy::  :rasta:  :rocker:  :jamin:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 11:36:10 PM
    :notworthy:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker: What are you talking about now Jackson,?? Its would be nice if you were real, I like your style of attack, but I just have seen some unusual, stuff and I could be wrong but I dont know.?? :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: pacifiers and formula isle 4. :guesswho:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 11:59:37 PM
    How about that according to the date the site was split Jan 17th and today is 19th.We have generated 103 post and over a 1000 views,  I think the dates were changed around on the post. that 500 views a day and 51 posts. Oprah has competition there.So I wonder, but do marvel in the glory. And there are folks commenting besides the regulars, and really no fights just some poking, except for Danny but thats ok thats why he comes around. He is like the punching dummy :beat:  :beat:  for the sites and he seems to like it :peace: . ::unhappy::  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 12:05:38 AM
    justonemore » Today, 02:41

    It has come to my attention recently that stack jones has publically agreed with me.
     ::OMG:: Thus, I am compelled.
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     Is this motherfucker going to kill himself  maybe mediate this mediator this sounds like trouble, hope the person didn't take the cowards way out.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 12:08:20 AM
    :jawdrop: This was on another forum  here on this site ,I hope this kids just full of shit and didn't whack himself. :jawdrop:
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    Post by: garystadler on January 20, 2010, 08:40:43 AM
    Who is Mark talking about,? Did anyone check ? ::OMG::
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    Post by: garystadler on January 20, 2010, 08:58:13 AM
    There is wifi and your not smart enough to track an IP number stupid :jawdrop:  :cheers:  :feed trolls:
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    Post by: RavingMad on January 20, 2010, 09:00:07 AM
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    justonemore » Today, 02:41

    It has come to my attention recently that stack jones has publically agreed with me.
     ::OMG:: Thus, I am compelled.
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     Is this motherfucker going to kill himself  maybe mediate this mediator this sounds like trouble, hope the person didn't take the cowards way out.
    wow what is fornits allowing to go on in here???
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    Post by: RavingMad on January 20, 2010, 09:02:07 AM
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    There is wifi and your not smart enough to track an IP number stupid :jawdrop:  :cheers:  :feed trolls:
    Oh please Felice MRS. Nancy Drew stop your babbling. I know for a fact your insaine.
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    Post by: RavingMad on January 20, 2010, 09:23:09 AM
    Funny thing is you just broke the law you dumb bitch you do not put IP address open for public, that is against the law when your site claimed to keep ppl confidential. BTW NANCY DREW I am one of Sharon's kids dumbass know it all. I see what u did to my mom and do not fucken like it.
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    Post by: psy on January 20, 2010, 09:39:25 AM
    Felice.  That is not cool.  No matter how angry you are you should not do that.  First of all moderators should not have access to IP address information at all.  I'll have to look into that but in the mean time I have no choice but to revoke your mod privs.  I'm also removing that picture from the post.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: garystadler on January 20, 2010, 09:45:35 AM
    :soapbox: Now that we have found the problem. hopefully we will find the cure good by Felic I told you you when playing a game you didn't know how to play. :jawdrop:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 11:12:45 AM
    Got you Felice you fucked your protectors, now what. ::OMG::  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 20, 2010, 11:16:46 AM
    Hey Mom since you had to go tell everyone, thanks for ruining my fun wtf......anyways isnt Felice the one whom called ART to get him all excited over your website? So she created the issue on purpose to trash the site. I busted my ass in helping create that site too. For all you out there bad ppl lie and do bad things to good honest ppl. My mother is currently working on making sure things are moving with the closing of Elan, but now to afraid to share information with anyone. I do want you to know come the beginning of MArch something amazing is about to happen. The dreams of my mothers will be made publically. So guess you will all have to wait to find out but it is real and it is happening. All thanks to my MOM who took the shit from you all and kept her head up high and proudly. You all tried to break her but she never fell. I am more than proud to be her daughter. I am honored God chose her as my mother. How many of your kids can say that about you? Maybe there is still time to do right thing. Do not let Elan get away with what they have done to anyone. Even if they ever admit the things that occured there, it will be enugh in a lot of hearts to put closure in their souls. Elan is down to 37 students, money is getting tight for them now. Do not stop keep fighting, it is working. Whether you personally like each other or not, get on board and at least group together in one thing. It is not to late to change attitudes. I hope like my mother to see this place close one day, and it will. But it goes beyond Elan, there are many schools and bootcamps that treat teens badly. There has to be smarter people to help come up with alternative plans for parents. Maybe if places are developed and created we need to be aware of them. Spread knowledge and spread words of encouragement. I saw my mother in tears over this effort, that will never be in vein trust me. She will do it where half of you could not. You want to know why? She is tough, got courage, got balls, got intelligence however she hides it well, and she has 8 kids who would do anything for her. She has been an good MOM, knows how to sacrific and she has over and over again for us all. Education she pushed us all in, this is one thing she never gave in about. But she allowed us to be ourselves as individuals.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Antigen on January 20, 2010, 12:23:18 PM
    Good call, Psy. For the record, we do NOT tolerate any such violation of privacy by moderators or admins. People are people, though. No one's perfect. Looks like Psy took care of this as quickly as possible. Not worried about legality, though, cause the allegedly injured party would have to show some kind of injury or loss to support a claim. No hearing officer in his right mind would likely care to take sides in this mud-fest. So no harm no foul.

    To the rest of the combatants, I'm happy to hear that someone may be doing some effective activism against Elan. Sure hope it's true. Ya'll might want to keep an eye on the Dozier School story as it may establish a slightly better precedent for people wanting to make claims against the states in which they were abused or from which they were sent. I know Elan had a lot of foster kids from Chicago for awhile and I understand they still take a lot of adjudicated youths.

    But as far as all the infighting goes, I really don't have a dog in that fight at all. One solution for you all is, of course,  :boycott: To those who wish to have meaningful discussion, please bear with us as we cypher the flooding and spam from legit discussion and try to clean things up a bit. It's often a much more difficult call than you might think and we actually do burn up the phone lines, chat n so forth to try and make a decent decision. Mean time, Che once gave some of the best advice I've ever heard. Something he learned while getting his certification. The best way to discourage unwanted behavior in others is to simply ignore it and, instead, focus on the stuff you do like. So.... do dat to the extent that you can.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 02:32:24 PM
    Psy stepped right up to the plate and handled the problem, Yes it is very hard to run down an IP number but that wasn't her intention, she lacks the brain power for that, She is an antagonistic person with no direction.Just trying to do what others have done towards her, but she missed the whole lesson, Only things that are posted publicly can come up, not private protected info like IP addresses and ssi numbers etc. Even a home address is ok. But not things that are guaranteed to be secure, That's how junk mail makes it your house or telemarketers. The worst part is she embarrassed herself and the people that have defended her, even when they were told threw posts and Felices own post and words she is not stable and has been institutionalise off on all her life for mental illness And is basically a nut on heavy meds.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2010, 02:36:00 PM
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Quasi Modo on January 20, 2010, 02:42:19 PM
    Yawn.  Felice, don't let the bastards get you down.  These assholes are showing their true colors, and it is disgusting.  It's horrifying to watch programees continuing to inflict pain on the abused.  Rabid fucking cultists with their heads lodged completely in their shit chutes.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 03:02:45 PM
    :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 03:16:02 PM
    Quote from: "Quasi Modo"
    Yawn.  Felice, don't let the bastards get you down.  These assholes are showing their true colors, and it is disgusting.  It's horrifying to watch programees continuing to inflict pain on the abused.  Rabid fucking cultists with their heads lodged completely in their shit chutes.
    :soapbox: She follows us around. the site was split due to her wyning :waaaa:  :waaaa: now she comes around again. Oh well, You seem to hate Danny so bad but yet ,I hated on him and got attacked by Felice, she will post  nice things to Danny then hate things the next day, Do yourself a favor read her post then make a judgement. She has done the same things to Sharon and others but they fight their own battles and pretty well. All and all Felice is not a moderator anymore. So I think my point is made . trying to justify her actions only make you look like you would turn on the site owners too, Because that is what happened. They are the only ones with IP numbers and obviously from their response she fucked up big. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  ::unhappy:: So in the battle of bull shit and games she lost and big, infront of the world wide web :cheers:  :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Quasi Modo on January 20, 2010, 03:45:40 PM
    I'm not turning on anyone, pal.  Your level of vehemence is inappropriate, as is the gloating and glee from your cohorts.  It is funny how you guys downplay Fornits when it suits you, then play it up as if the eyes of the world are on it.  I saw what was posted, and I still say "don't let the bastards get you down".

    You being one of the prime bastards.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 03:46:27 PM
    :karma: by mark babitz » 51 minutes ago

    Report this postReply with quoteHow did Felice get ISP addresses?
    by exposecedu » 2 minutes ago

    How did she get ISP addresses? This is beyond fucked up. :soapbox:   I guess there are others, give the page a couple of days Antigen and I know your tune will change, atleast everyone will know were you stand about people that steal info from their friends web sites.   Thank You Exposecedu ::OMG::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2010, 03:47:59 PM
    Quote from: "Quasi Modo"
    I'm not turning on anyone, pal.  Your level of vehemence is inappropriate, as is the gloating and glee from your cohorts.  It is funny how you guys downplay Fornits when it suits you, then play it up as if the eyes of the world are on it.  I saw what was posted, and I still say "don't let the bastards get you down".

    You being one of the prime bastards.

    Quasi Shopko,

    How much did Felice pay you to defend her?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Quasi Modo on January 20, 2010, 03:52:17 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    Quote from: "Quasi Modo"
    I'm not turning on anyone, pal.  Your level of vehemence is inappropriate, as is the gloating and glee from your cohorts.  It is funny how you guys downplay Fornits when it suits you, then play it up as if the eyes of the world are on it.  I saw what was posted, and I still say "don't let the bastards get you down".

    You being one of the prime bastards.

    Quasi Shopko,

    How much did Felice pay you to defend her?


    I'm not your program, no one has to pay me.  I'm only supporting a program survivor who is being demonized by a bunch of vindictive cultists.  Keep embarrassing yourself.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2010, 03:55:07 PM
    Your full of crap.  How well do you really know Felice?  You don't know her at all, do you?  Take that survivor garbage and stuff it.  You are doing nothing but talking out your shit pipe.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 03:57:15 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    Quote from: "Quasi Modo"
    I'm not turning on anyone, pal.  Your level of vehemence is inappropriate, as is the gloating and glee from your cohorts.  It is funny how you guys downplay Fornits when it suits you, then play it up as if the eyes of the world are on it.  I saw what was posted, and I still say "don't let the bastards get you down".

    You being one of the prime bastards.

    Quasi Shopko,

    How much did Felice pay you to defend her?
    :soapbox:  :soapbox: I ask the same question, Oh by the way "Quasi Modo" was the Hunch Back of Notre Dame I believe, do you resemble him.? And do you have a real name instead of a make believe one? Its hard to take someone seriously when they hide like a child. And to defend the shown site thief and manipulator,well  you display no shame or trust. I think you needs to examine your friends, the site did. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Quasi Modo on January 20, 2010, 03:59:14 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    Take that survivor garbage and stuff it.


    Well at least you are honest about who's camp you are in.  Fairly obvious what your motivation is for the mudslinging now.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2010, 04:03:31 PM
    Take that survivor garbage and stuff it. = You making excuses for invasion of privacy queen.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Quasi Modo on January 20, 2010, 04:14:26 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    Take that survivor garbage and stuff it. = You making excuses for invasion of privacy queen.


    Since you bastards have formed a lynch mob, what exactly do you hope to accomplish with all this bitching?  What would dry your tears and quell your noise?  The only sanction possible has been performed and Psy was praised for doing it.  

    Pick her punishment, cedu or Babitz or whoever.  You must have something in mind.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 06:55:08 PM
    ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: We will !!  And you too ass-hole. Don't you have a real name. In this area of the forum we use real names if want to fight or really get involved. Trust me anyone I deal with on any site at any level knows my name and has my phone and address big mouth, Including " PSY "on this site. So I dont hide from anyone,I never hid from my Father I dont hide from you or anyone, If someone has a brain and good strong attitude and character they have my number :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 21, 2010, 08:41:36 AM
    :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Quasi Modo on January 21, 2010, 09:23:41 AM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: We will !!  And you too ass-hole. Don't you have a real name. In this area of the forum we use real names if want to fight or really get involved. Trust me anyone I deal with on any site at any level knows my name and has my phone and address big mouth, Including " PSY "on this site. So I dont hide from anyone,I never hid from my Father I dont hide from you or anyone, If someone has a brain and good strong attitude and character they have my number :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:

    You're an excitable little pickle.  It's a pisser just to read your hyperactive, spastic posts, I can't imagine the shrill noise of it coming off live.  I wouldn't piss on you if you were burning.  No rules have changed regarding this area of the forum, you certainly don't have any authority to issue your bizarre "rules", so why don't you crawl back into your hole and fuck yourself with a pineapple.  But you might want to hide from your daddy while you do it.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on January 21, 2010, 09:36:41 AM
    Quote from: "Quasi Modo"
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: We will !!  And you too ass-hole. Don't you have a real name. In this area of the forum we use real names if want to fight or really get involved. Trust me anyone I deal with on any site at any level knows my name and has my phone and address big mouth, Including " PSY "on this site. So I dont hide from anyone,I never hid from my Father I dont hide from you or anyone, If someone has a brain and good strong attitude and character they have my number :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:

    You're an excitable little pickle.  It's a pisser just to read your hyperactive, spastic posts, I can't imagine the shrill noise of it coming off live.  I wouldn't piss on you if you were burning.  No rules have changed regarding this area of the forum, you certainly don't have any authority to issue your bizarre "rules", so why don't you crawl back into your hole and fuck yourself with a pineapple.  But you might want to hide from your daddy while you do it.
    @ all of you: Why are you even bothering to engage in this at all?  Read Inculcated's post:
    viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29883 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29883)

    Do you seriously want to be part of a perpetual encounter group or do you want to do something about Elan?  If y'all can't get over all this stupid petty bickering nothing is ever going to get done.

     :jerry:

     ::deadhorse::

     ::puke::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 21, 2010, 09:46:41 AM
    :peace: Vary true :peace:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on January 21, 2010, 10:00:53 AM
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    I AGREE WE NEED TO REFOCUS
    Forgive me for being presumptuous but I'm not sure that's even possible until each of you can learn to have a little compassion or at least understanding towards each other.  Those are far more powerful weapons than insults as there is much strength in cohesion and very little in chaos and division.

    Why not just start with explaining how you got to this point.  What caused you and the others to become so totally locked in this perpetual chaos?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on January 21, 2010, 11:15:49 AM
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    Quote from: "psy"
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    I AGREE WE NEED TO REFOCUS
    Forgive me for being presumptuous but I'm not sure that's even possible until each of you can learn to have a little compassion or at least understanding towards each other.  Those are far more powerful weapons than insults as there is much strength in cohesion and very little in chaos and division.

    Why not just start with explaining how you got to this point.  What caused you and the others to become so totally locked in this perpetual chaos?
    No offense PSY but who gives you the right to judge me as not having compassion.

    Not everything is a judgment or an attack on you personally.  What I said is just a presumption; what I see to be true, and the basis of these conflicts.  Take it or leave it.

    I'm not trying to justify or excuse what was said to you.  It's really not my concern.  I'm less concerned with who said what first and to whom than I am with the fact that it just will not stop.  When you are attacked you have one of two options: to respond and escalate the situation, or to attempt to calm the situation by responding calmly, the way you would wish to be treated.  People respond in kind, sometimes not immediately, but almost always given enough time.  The only reason to not act in this way is if you do not want the conflict to stop.

    There is always a choice, and often it takes mores strength and conviction to say "that hurts, i'm sorry you feel that way", than it does to violently lash out and attack back, accomplishing nothing at all.  Don't get me completely wrong.  There is a time and a place for conflict, but not when it does nothing but further a neverending circle of violent reciprocity.  Maybe you or others think you can fight until you drive all the others away who don't think like you or agree with you.  It might work, but in the end nobody thinks alike so my prediction is that it would make for a very lonely existence.

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    Have you not looked at some of these others on here, they bring up such vile things and do instigate a reaction.

    Maybe.  And like I said there are two ways to deal with that.

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    It is appearent unless you can offer a forum that is fully censored at this point nothing will be accomplished.

    Censored by whom?  Who would run this hypothetical forum?

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    If you are discusted with behaviors then help us redirect instead of backing up the fools that just insut us repeatedly. If you are not or cannot offer a solution, than frankily for years you have enabled the problem. If you would extend yourself with helping us redirect this we will be more than happy to accomidate you.

    I'm not sure I get what you're asking. Could you clarify?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on January 21, 2010, 12:11:46 PM
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    PSY,
    I was leaning toward the lines of you beginning a rational forum and that you run it, you do have a gift of calming a lot of situations. I do listen to what you wrtie and I believe you are a very powerful influence in others to get thru and make them think. I know some of the words you have spoken has actually reached in my brain. Which is hard for people to do at times. I know I am stubborn and do tend to get in a position to make myself look like an asshole as well. But you have a rare gift, I am personally asking you to maybe gather some Elan information and I will help get some for you if you need it, you can guide a better way on here. This is what I am stating. You have a gift, and personally I would like to see it put forth in helping us get started in the positive path. I also believe Felice has a wonderful gift as well. I personally believe she has been more than punished for her little slip yesterday. I also wish for more compassion on here as well. I will not be responding to insults aymore, if they state I am a bitch, cunt, whore, man hater, piece of ignorant trash, or anything I will allow myself to let it fall on the floor of the bullshit it was created upon. If you will allow this one request I am asking of you, I give you my word...I will keep my trashy mouth closed.

    I appreciate it.  Nobody's perfect and everybody can get drawn into things from time to time.  Don't sweat it.

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    I would like a forum thread to be free of the swearing to instigate a fight. A reasonable place to agrue appropraitely. A forum thread with a purpose. This is all I would like to see, more production. Why waste it on me for God sakes. I am a mother of 8 children with a 2nd year college education. Who the hell am I to concentrate on? The people on here do not realize how powerful they can be, they have intelligence and have not placed it in the right direction. If it is embraced there can be a difference in all of us. Seriously PSY I believe you have this gift, please I am asking you to please help this on its way. I am not being a smart ass either, so do not twist my words ppl on here. I am literally serious. I will also out of respect for you PSY try to find it in my heart to learn the path of forgivness in some of the people on here. I am but only human like everyone else. ok I said my words hopefully they willl be taken in the way I am presenting them.

    I can't promise that I'll personally moderate the Elan forum as I might be relatively busy, but I can say that if I can't do it, I'll find some neutral party who can... Ursus perhaps.  I'll have to ask him...  Or perhaps both of us as we have time.  I do agree with you that the elan forum might benefit from some moderation.  That moderation, however, must be governed by rules more than by people.  What do you think about these rules from the Daytop forum (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=29882#p356306) being applied to the Elan forum?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on January 21, 2010, 12:37:24 PM
    I'll ask Ursus and perhaps inculcated and see what they say.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on January 21, 2010, 02:10:07 PM
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    Quote from: "psy"
    I'll ask Ursus and perhaps inculcated and see what they say.
    Thank you very much, this mains a lot to many and I am very thankful.
    Ursus has agreed (and been added as moderator) but I haven't heard back from Inculcated.  If she is busy or cannot do it, I may step in to help Ursus out, depending on the amount of tending the forum needs.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 22, 2010, 10:18:32 AM
    :peace:  ::unhappy::  :cheers:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 24, 2010, 10:00:54 AM
    :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 24, 2010, 10:09:27 AM
    :soapbox: orum rules
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    by bossybee39 » Yesterday, 15:15

    ok i see your point in this, why is it others can plaster addresses and other photos, but we have a mini melt down when we post one for reasons you did not try to understand, but the ones from Elan did thou? You got pages and pages of addresses and phone numbers for all the world to see, to me that is just as wrong as other things. There is a fine line between what is allowed and not allowed, therefore can there be some clarity for this. Thanks,"Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by mark babitz » Yesterday, 15:22

     Its hard to stop the freedom of speech and expression when half the site is on a role . Art Barkers privacy is just as importaint and Mel Sembler, Newton Miller, Joe Ricci etc. But yet it is so important to the pursuit of justice. By baning real info, stifles the effect of true pursuit.I commend the folk that post Art Bakers info and the others ways they investigate and stand up to folks. That is how you change something is to bring it to light. The key Danny is to stay out of the light.To cesor post , just chases people away and makes it hard to be open and speack.Why are so many of Danny post gone by his own hand ??. Some people keep that stuff for reposting one day when he speack differently about something he said.He cried to the Directors of the site then attacked them in front of everyone.I have looked and there is no Lee Bennison.Only Daniel lee Bennison. As Danny said Google him. Google Lee Bennison and all you seem to get is Danny lee Bennison.One comes up as a realtor with red hair etc, younger probably his son. if you look at the photos they do look similar to Lee Bennisons photo.at Elan.and Danny lee bennison comes up in Woodstock Ga.as well if you fol ow the realtor he also has trails to Ga. Just a guess but I bet I am right if not close, Dannys response will tell it all.What if it comes out he is an Elan spy who would be the hero for exposing that      
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    by bossybee39 » Yesterday, 15:29

    Mark, I think they are intending to more censor the bitches, assholes, and cunts..that waste up space on here, not true fact information. I believe there is hope to tone down the flat out attacking thru words, and protect the ones on here for their personal information being given out. I truly believe they are interested in a positive forum threads for Elan so others do feel they can come here. Right now not to manny will come due to the personal attacks. I think this is their point."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by RavingMad » Yesterday, 15:32

    I will agree but anyoone calls me anythin i reserve the right to get them back.
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 10:08

    I think I am at total peace right now. Thanks for the words of encouragment everyone tonight. Now I can sleep blissfully. lolz. "Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 24, 2010, 10:11:47 AM
    mark babitz wrote:
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    by Guest » 11 Sep 2009, 15:38

    stack jones wrote:
    old fart barker

    Le Club International Condo
    2845 n.e. 9th st. #1004
    Fort Lauderdale, Fl. 33304-3649 co11
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    by Guest » 28 Sep 2009, 04:16

    Guest wrote:
    stack jones wrote:
    old fart barker

    Le Club International Condo
    2845 n.e. 9th st. #1004
    Fort Lauderdale, Fl. 33304-3649 co11
    , sigh......
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    Re: ART BARKER'S HOME ADDRESS
    by boil that dust speck » 01 Oct 2009, 13:55

    i hope someone goes to his home and fucking executes him.

    of course an execution that takes many, many long days.boil that dust speck
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    Re: ART BARKER'S HOME ADDRESS
    by boil that dust speck » 04 Oct 2009, 12:35

    just tidying up the place.

    really though -- did barfer suffer that horrible death yet?

    we know he suffers from horrible indignation.boil that dust speck
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    Re: ART BARKER'S HOME ADDRESS
    by boil that cunt clean » 22 Oct 2009, 08:53

    kill.

    kill.

    kill.

    666

    kill 666 of 'em.boil that cunt clean
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    Re: ART BARKER'S HOME ADDRESS
    by boil that dust speck » 30 Oct 2009, 15:17

    was it skipper chuck that said -- "who's that knokkking at my door!"boil that dust speck
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    nuff said.yer ass belongs toomee
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    jing a ling. here that door bell ring.

    answer it and see.

    then piss your pants.

    blammo!

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    There are people that have brought an unwanted light with them ,but threw true facts they will be exposed. Someone with nothing to hide in Ernest should never worry, Remember they cant convict you for what you dont say.And some people have said too much,you cant ask for help then turn on your helpers. To remove your post show guilt in a big way.Why hide your word unless you cant keep them straight, and people will re post to show that ?? Its a person running scared and I think that what everyone is seeing. I would have tossed Felice in with him, but he is also attacking her. It could be a smoke screen, but I think Felice got sucked in by him and was used. Why hate her now Danny she was one of your biggest supporters ?? She pegged you a long time ago and, you manipulated her into believing you guys were on the same side. Until she stepped over the edge, and you let her fall. Now being she is just another member and not in any position to delete and control, has she lost her fize Danny ??.Why pick on the weaker Danny ?? and set them up for such a ass whipping ?? you like that dont you?? You are a coward to walk her, into a room with bats and chains.Next site you pick or forum to corrupt leave the Felices of the world out of it. And fight your own battles. Felice doesn't need the extra beatings she didn't earn.You are a real fuck for setting Felice in front of the gun.Just remember she might gain some friends you didn't want her to have Pal. And I am one you dont want her to have and you know that. Careful Danny I picked a new friend named Felice, and I dont know if she will like it but I will stand up for her anyway. You made me look like an ass-hole beating on her, and it was you all the time leading her into me. That's ok I apologize to you Felice I sincerely do Danny or whoever you are I am coming now and will expose you.Mark Babitz    
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    mark babitz wrote:
    There are people that have brought an unwanted light with them ,but threw true facts they will be exposed. Someone with nothing to hide in Ernest should never worry, Remember they cant convict you for what you dont say.And some people have said too much,you cant ask for help then turn on your helpers. To remove your post show guilt in a big way.Why hide your word unless you cant keep them straight, and people will re post to show that ?? Its a person running scared and I think that what everyone is seeing. I would have tossed Felice in with him, but he is also attacking her. It could be a smoke screen, but I think Felice got sucked in by him and was used. Why hate her now Danny she was one of your biggest supporters ?? She pegged you a long time ago and, you manipulated her into believing you guys were on the same side. Until she stepped over the edge, and you let her fall. Now being she is just another member and not in any position to delete and control, has she lost her fize Danny ??.Why pick on the weaker Danny ?? and set them up for such a ass whipping ?? you like that dont you?? You are a coward to walk her, into a room with bats and chains.Next site you pick or forum to corrupt leave the Felices of the world out of it. And fight your own battles. Felice doesn't need the extra beatings she didn't earn.You are a real fuck for setting Felice in front of the gun.Just remember she might gain some friends you didn't want her to have Pal. And I am one you dont want her to have and you know that. Careful Danny I picked a new friend named Felice, and I dont know if she will like it but I will stand up for her anyway. You made me look like an ass-hole beating on her, and it was you all the time leading her into me. That's ok I apologize to you Felice I sincerely do Danny or whoever you are I am coming now and will expose you.Mark Babitz    

     I accept your apology.
    In fact I am kind of flattered that you have spent so much time digging up all of the information I put on the internet in the last 10 years.
    I really admired your assholishness; comming from a long line of assholes myself.
    Anyway I have a huge (twisted) icon collection, I know you would love it.Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results._________Albert Einstein
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    by Danny Bennison » Today, 08:04

    Eliscu2 wrote:
    mark babitz wrote:
    There are people that have brought an unwanted light with them ,but threw true facts they will be exposed. Someone with nothing to hide in Ernest should never worry, Remember they cant convict you for what you dont say.And some people have said too much,you cant ask for help then turn on your helpers. To remove your post show guilt in a big way.Why hide your word unless you cant keep them straight, and people will re post to show that ?? Its a person running scared and I think that what everyone is seeing. I would have tossed Felice in with him, but he is also attacking her. It could be a smoke screen, but I think Felice got sucked in by him and was used. Why hate her now Danny she was one of your biggest supporters ?? She pegged you a long time ago and, you manipulated her into believing you guys were on the same side. Until she stepped over the edge, and you let her fall. Now being she is just another member and not in any position to delete and control, has she lost her fize Danny ??.Why pick on the weaker Danny ?? and set them up for such a ass whipping ?? you like that dont you?? You are a coward to walk her, into a room with bats and chains.Next site you pick or forum to corrupt leave the Felices of the world out of it. And fight your own battles. Felice doesn't need the extra beatings she didn't earn.You are a real fuck for setting Felice in front of the gun.Just remember she might gain some friends you didn't want her to have Pal. And I am one you dont want her to have and you know that. Careful Danny I picked a new friend named Felice, and I dont know if she will like it but I will stand up for her anyway. You made me look like an ass-hole beating on her, and it was you all the time leading her into me. That's ok I apologize to you Felice I sincerely do Danny or whoever you are I am coming now and will expose you.Mark Babitz  


     I accept your apology.
    In fact I am kind of flattered that you have spent so much time digging up all of the information I put on the internet in the last 10 years.
    I really admired your assholishness; comming from a long line of assholes myself.
    Anyway I have a huge (twisted) icon collection, I know you would love it.
       
    Folks, what seems to amaze me and others that read this, is how you believe that I really give a rats ass what you are or are not doing/saying. Really !!! lol
    I have never been in relationship/harmony w/ any of you and stopped thinking it would happen months ago. Yes I am fond of some of you
    but that is not enough to bridge the large gap that has been created here. Felice there is no common ground to meet on, b/cuz really that
    is not what your asking for, your asking me to prove to you I deserve to be on that ground. What is to be gained by me doing this, sorry I don't see much to be gained.
    I came here to do something and making friends was really not high on the list, I already have friends. Now I don't mind making more but I will not
    compromise my values, ethics or ambitions to do this. This is called staying focused and on task.  Danny
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    by Danny Bennison » Today, 08:04

    Eliscu2 wrote:
    mark babitz wrote:
    There are people that have brought an unwanted light with them ,but threw true facts they will be exposed. Someone with nothing to hide in Ernest should never worry, Remember they cant convict you for what you dont say.And some people have said too much,you cant ask for help then turn on your helpers. To remove your post show guilt in a big way.Why hide your word unless you cant keep them straight, and people will re post to show that ?? Its a person running scared and I think that what everyone is seeing. I would have tossed Felice in with him, but he is also attacking her. It could be a smoke screen, but I think Felice got sucked in by him and was used. Why hate her now Danny she was one of your biggest supporters ?? She pegged you a long time ago and, you manipulated her into believing you guys were on the same side. Until she stepped over the edge, and you let her fall. Now being she is just another member and not in any position to delete and control, has she lost her fize Danny ??.Why pick on the weaker Danny ?? and set them up for such a ass whipping ?? you like that dont you?? You are a coward to walk her, into a room with bats and chains.Next site you pick or forum to corrupt leave the Felices of the world out of it. And fight your own battles. Felice doesn't need the extra beatings she didn't earn.You are a real fuck for setting Felice in front of the gun.Just remember she might gain some friends you didn't want her to have Pal. And I am one you dont want her to have and you know that. Careful Danny I picked a new friend named Felice, and I dont know if she will like it but I will stand up for her anyway. You made me look like an ass-hole beating on her, and it was you all the time leading her into me. That's ok I apologize to you Felice I sincerely do Danny or whoever you are I am coming now and will expose you.Mark Babitz  


     I accept your apology.
    In fact I am kind of flattered that you have spent so much time digging up all of the information I put on the internet in the last 10 years.
    I really admired your assholishness; comming from a long line of assholes myself.
    Anyway I have a huge (twisted) icon collection, I know you would love it.
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    Thank You Felice and once again I am sorry Mark Babitz.    
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 08:08

    mark babitz wrote:
    Thank You Felice and once again I am sorry Mark Babitz.    
    I think this is awesome that you two found some common ground and peace.It is wonderful."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by mark babitz » Today, 08:12

    Danny Bennison wrote:
    Eliscu2 wrote:
    mark babitz wrote:
    There are people that have brought an unwanted light with them ,but threw true facts they will be exposed. Someone with nothing to hide in Ernest should never worry, Remember they cant convict you for what you dont say.And some people have said too much,you cant ask for help then turn on your helpers. To remove your post show guilt in a big way.Why hide your word unless you cant keep them straight, and people will re post to show that ?? Its a person running scared and I think that what everyone is seeing. I would have tossed Felice in with him, but he is also attacking her. It could be a smoke screen, but I think Felice got sucked in by him and was used. Why hate her now Danny she was one of your biggest supporters ?? She pegged you a long time ago and, you manipulated her into believing you guys were on the same side. Until she stepped over the edge, and you let her fall. Now being she is just another member and not in any position to delete and control, has she lost her fize Danny ??.Why pick on the weaker Danny ?? and set them up for such a ass whipping ?? you like that dont you?? You are a coward to walk her, into a room with bats and chains.Next site you pick or forum to corrupt leave the Felices of the world out of it. And fight your own battles. Felice doesn't need the extra beatings she didn't earn.You are a real fuck for setting Felice in front of the gun.Just remember she might gain some friends you didn't want her to have Pal. And I am one you dont want her to have and you know that. Careful Danny I picked a new friend named Felice, and I dont know if she will like it but I will stand up for her anyway. You made me look like an ass-hole beating on her, and it was you all the time leading her into me. That's ok I apologize to you Felice I sincerely do Danny or whoever you are I am coming now and will expose you.Mark Babitz  


     I accept your apology.
    In fact I am kind of flattered that you have spent so much time digging up all of the information I put on the internet in the last 10 years.
    I really admired your assholishness; comming from a long line of assholes myself.
    Anyway I have a huge (twisted) icon collection, I know you would love it.
       
    Folks, what seems to amaze me and others that read this, is how you believe that I really give a rats ass what you are or are not doing/saying. Really !!! lol
    I have never been in relationship/harmony w/ any of you and stopped thinking it would happen months ago. Yes I am fond of some of you
    but that is not enough to bridge the large gap that has been created here. Felice there is no common ground to meet on, b/cuz really that
    is not what your asking for, your asking me to prove to you I deserve to be on that ground. What is to be gained by me doing this, sorry I don't see much to be gained.
    I came here to do something and making friends was really not high on the list, I already have friends. Now I don't mind making more but I will not
    compromise my values, ethics or ambitions to do this. This is called staying focused and on task.  Danny
     Values ,Ethics????????????????????????????????????????????????????      
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    Folks, what seems to amaze me and others that read this, is how you believe that I really give a rats ass what you are or are not doing/saying. Really !!! lol
    I have never been in relationship/harmony w/ any of you and stopped thinking it would happen months ago. Yes I am fond of some of you
    but that is not enough to bridge the large gap that has been created here. Felice there is no common ground to meet on, b/cuz really that
    is not what your asking for, your asking me to prove to you I deserve to be on that ground. What is to be gained by me doing this, sorry I don't see much to be gained.
    I came here to do something and making friends was really not high on the list, I already have friends. Now I don't mind making more but I will not
    compromise my values, ethics or ambitions to do this. This is called staying focused and on task.  Danny[/quote]



    What amazes me the most is people actually let you talk...wtf, I feel but yet once again all mighty Daniel is pirposely trying to condesend on others. Why is it even your business what Mark and Felice chose to work out? Tell me oh Holy Staffer?"Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by Joel » Today, 08:21

    Folks, what seems to amaze me and others that read this, is how you believe that I really give a rats ass what you are or are not doing/saying. Really !!! lol
    I have never been in relationship/harmony w/ any of you and stopped thinking it would happen months ago. Yes I am fond of some of you
    but that is not enough to bridge the large gap that has been created here. Felice there is no common ground to meet on, b/cuz really that
    is not what your asking for, your asking me to prove to you I deserve to be on that ground. What is to be gained by me doing this, sorry I don't see much to be gained.
    I came here to do something and making friends was really not high on the list, I already have friends. Now I don't mind making more but I will not
    compromise my values, ethics or ambitions to do this. This is called staying focused and on task.  Danny

    What amazes me the most is people actually let you talk...wtf, I feel but yet once again all mighty Daniel is pirposely trying to condesend on others. Why is it even your business what Mark and Felice chose to work out? Tell me oh Holy Staffer?

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    1. A foolish, unreasoning, or extravagant passion or attraction. See Synonyms at love.
    2. An object of extravagant, short-lived passion.

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    1. the act of infatuating or state of being infatuated
    2. foolish or extravagant passion
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    You are rich,you pom pis ass fuck, how can you get on here after your tantrum and come back swinging at Felice saying you basically used her and did not care if she was your friend .You condemn her for wanting to know the truth about someone she is dealing with, Why is she wrong for that ?? You like the word focused, well it sounds like she was, and didn't want to be taken advantage of.Smart for her, and she showed that to be true. Take your post off Danny and go back to the house in Poland Springs Marty needs your report by morning just explain the melt down and he will give you a new list of people to spy on.    
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 08:25

    Joel wrote:
    Folks, what seems to amaze me and others that read this, is how you believe that I really give a rats ass what you are or are not doing/saying. Really !!! lol
    I have never been in relationship/harmony w/ any of you and stopped thinking it would happen months ago. Yes I am fond of some of you
    but that is not enough to bridge the large gap that has been created here. Felice there is no common ground to meet on, b/cuz really that
    is not what your asking for, your asking me to prove to you I deserve to be on that ground. What is to be gained by me doing this, sorry I don't see much to be gained.
    I came here to do something and making friends was really not high on the list, I already have friends. Now I don't mind making more but I will not
    compromise my values, ethics or ambitions to do this. This is called staying focused and on task.  Danny

    What amazes me the most is people actually let you talk...wtf, I feel but yet once again all mighty Daniel is pirposely trying to condesend on others. Why is it even your business what Mark and Felice chose to work out? Tell me oh Holy Staffer?

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    in·fat·u·a·tion (-fch-shn)
    n.
    1. A foolish, unreasoning, or extravagant passion or attraction. See Synonyms at love.
    2. An object of extravagant, short-lived passion.

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    n
    1. the act of infatuating or state of being infatuated
    2. foolish or extravagant passion
    3. an object of foolish or extravagant passion
    Joel no offense but you got me confused a bit with this, clarify your poat a little for us. It makes absolutely no sense at all. Sorry but it doesn't."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by Joel » Today, 08:29

    mark babitz wrote:
    You are rich,you pom pis ass fuck, how can you get on here after your tantrum and come back swinging at Felice saying you basically used her and did not care if she was your friend .You condemn her for wanting to know the truth about someone she is dealing with, Why is she wrong for that ?? You like the word focused, well it sounds like she was, and didn't want to be taken advantage of.Smart for her, and she showed that to be true. Take your post off Danny and go back to the house in Poland Springs Marty needs your report by morning just explain the melt down and he will give you a new list of people to spy on.    

    You definately have a way with words. What are you trying to accomplish by busting Danny Bennison's balls?Joel
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 08:31

    Well first off Daniel was a Staff Member at Elan, I think this is all our passion of drive in which you need to even ask yourself. Unless your alright with Staff members that do heinous acts on teenagers?"Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by Joel » Today, 08:38

    bossybee39 wrote:
    Well first off Daniel was a Staff Member at Elan, I think this is all our passion of drive in which you need to even ask yourself. Unless your alright with Staff members that do heinous acts on teenagers?

    Your passion is admirable. Danny, pursuant to your demands, is not obligated to discuss his employment history and/or applicable experiences at Elan.Joel
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    by Inculcated » Today, 08:40

    bossybee39 wrote:
    Well first off Daniel was a Staff Member at Elan, I think this is all our passion of drive in which you need to even ask yourself. Unless your alright with Staff members that do heinous acts on teenagers?
    I’m veering a little off topic here. I’m posting this in response to the topic in a broader sense than simply discussing Danny Bennison.
    Considering someone having been staff as having crossed a line of demarcation that makes them beyond redemption or consideration is an understandable, but limited perspective.
    Bee’ there are a few former program staffers that contribute to Fornits who also have made considerable efforts to promoting awareness about abuses in the TTI.“A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free” Nikos Kazantzakis Inculcated
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 08:46

    Inculcated wrote:
    bossybee39 wrote:
    Well first off Daniel was a Staff Member at Elan, I think this is all our passion of drive in which you need to even ask yourself. Unless your alright with Staff members that do heinous acts on teenagers?
    I’m posting this in response to the topic in a broader sense than simply discussing Danny Bennison.
    Considering someone having been staff as having crossed a line of demarcation that makes them beyond redemption or consideration is an understandable, but limited perspective.
    Bee’ there are a few former program staffers that contribute to Fornits who also have made considerable efforts to promoting awareness about abuses in the TTI.
    I can appreciate that fully, however this man has not redeemed himself as you all think he has, once again he made erroneous complaints and destroyed my website. I have had it with this man harrassing me and others from Elan. He makes us all look like puppets in his own little show, and frankily it is discusting how everyone is allowing this man to play his little pity card so much. I am beyond pissed off that this is continuing. I will never forgive the guy nor will anything he says mean a thing to the Elan ex students. Half the people that want to be here will not come as long as his holiness is playing around on here. It is a shame few are wanting to leave now because of his little crap. The personal taunting emails he sends me are bullshit. I am done with this man period, and there is nothing anyone can say to actually make me thinnk he is not the fucken DEVIl himself."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by Danny Bennison » Today, 08:54

    mark babitz wrote:
    You are rich,you pom pis ass fuck, how can you get on here after your tantrum and come back swinging at Felice saying you basically used her and did not care if she was your friend .You condemn her for wanting to know the truth about someone she is dealing with, Why is she wrong for that ?? You like the word focused, well it sounds like she was, and didn't want to be taken advantage of.Smart for her, and she showed that to be true. Take your post off Danny and go back to the house in Poland Springs Marty needs your report by morning just explain the melt down and he will give you a new list of people to spy on.    
       
    Mark,
    If you could ever make a rational arguement that would be a miracle but you can't with out going into your emotions. Which in your case
    then comes out as vulgar drool. Mark go back to last week you were calling Felice every filthy thing under the sun, WOW what a difference
    a week makes. I have seen this play out over and over and over.......Mark go find yourself and get a life....... Last edited by Danny Bennison on 24 Jan 2010, 08:57, edited 1 time in total.
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 08:56

    wow see he is instigating the shit...got to keep it going dont you. you are instigating something that is none of your business this is between mark and felice now back off of it"Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 08:57

    i am sick of you getting away with your little manipulational bullshit on here of starting little fights. felice na dmark made up, and that drives you crazy Danny you enjoy the conflict going, now knock it off. people see thru you and you hate that dont you. ."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 09:01

    I think borders on a personal attack on Mark, would anyone agree???"Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 09:06

    Joel wrote:
    bossybee39 wrote:
    Well first off Daniel was a Staff Member at Elan, I think this is all our passion of drive in which you need to even ask yourself. Unless your alright with Staff members that do heinous acts on teenagers?

    Your passion is admirable. Danny, pursuant to your demands, is not obligated to discuss his employment history and/or applicable experiences at Elan.
    Did danny come whinning to you too to stick up for him. Aww how convient out of the blue comes another savivor for his lordship. Unreal how you people are so easily snowed."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by Danny Bennison » Today, 09:34

    bossybee39 wrote:
    Re: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 16 Jan 2010, 07:06
    by bossybee39

    you know everyone will be seeing this and I now feel like you are a real moron. i doubt some ppl would enjoy your treatment of me either. I suggest you leave me alone because in 5 minutes my brother who is a state patrol officer is coming over to review the fact I have asked you several times to stop it, now once again leave me alone or I will press charges. Do not contact me and all. This is harrassment and I will not tolerate it. Go buly someone else you psychoRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 16 Jan 2010, 06:58
    by bossybee39

    if you message me one more time I am calling the authorities plan and simple cut and dry. DO not message me or harrass me anymore you are mentally deranged individual and I do not want nothing to do with you. If you got something to say put it in forums.Re: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 16 Jan 2010, 06:50
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    i want you to stop harrassing meRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 16 Jan 2010, 06:41
    by bossybee39

    no need for a reply leave me the hell alone, I blocked you on facebook for a reason respect it and do not try a conversation with me in the future. only reason i am even on fornits is because i want to read a few things, other then that i will not be here trust me.Re: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 16 Jan 2010, 06:07
    by bossybee39

    Do not private message me ever.
     
    Sharon this doesn't show anything but you kept emailing me and you got replied to. If you remember you started the emails. Now I will say we
    'acted immature yes, but we both acted like kids. Honestly it wasn't even me it was someone else, I sort of knew but not really. Thou I will take
    responsibility.
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 24, 2010, 10:28:01 AM
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    by Inculcated » Today, 09:59

    Again this discussion has nothing to do with Elan Forum Rules Continue your discussion in the other thread“A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free” Nikos Kazantzakis Inculcated
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 10:02

    no problem i am pretty much done for the night. I seemed to have rattled someones cage unexpectedly.....not me maw way...And Danny, Mark is one of my best dearest friends, I will stand for him no matter what, remember that ok."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 24, 2010, 10:49:56 AM
    :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:  :feedtrolls:[ ELAN GROUP RULES & REGULATIONS FOR PROPER EDICATE]   :peace:  ::unhappy::  

    1. Stay on topic - When posting in this forum, please pay attention to the topic heading. Discussions that stray off-topic, yet are still Elan related, may be split off into several separate topics. Discussions that have nothing to do with Elan at all may be either deleted or moved to a more appropriate section of Fornits.

    2. Personal Attacks - Personal attacks against other forum posters are not allowed. This is not retroactive. Should you verbally "wish ill" on a person outside this forum, for example, and that person then becomes a poster on this forum, your old posts do not suddenly constitute a rule violation. You will, however, from that point on, be expected to at least be civil towards that poster for the purposes of furthered discussion with all involved parties. There is a time and a place for online "flame wars" (such as "Open Free for All"), but it is not here. If you can't hold it in, take it elsewhere.

    3. Contact Information - While you are certainly free to post your own email address, phone number, or contact information, it is not permitted to post the contact information of other people... even staff. The exception to this is the case of a person or entity that is a public figure (having put his/her self into the public domain) and for whom contact information is already widely available.

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    by bossybee39 » 22 Jan 2010, 02:11

    I agree fully, but got a question if i am attacked in another forum can I be mouthy??? Anyways thanks for doing this. Not to many would like to be in your position and it means a lot to us. Thanks."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on January 24, 2010, 01:15:17 PM
    Mark.  Please do not repost everything like that.  It borders on flooding which is a forum-wide "federal" law here.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 24, 2010, 09:50:31 PM
    Sorry didnt know just trying to put stuff here where it belongs.
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    Post by: psy on January 24, 2010, 09:55:46 PM
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    Sorry didnt know just trying to put stuff here where it belongs.
    In the future, please just link to it.  Thanks.
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 24, 2010, 10:01:14 PM
    Ok didnt know how, but I will learn, Thanks :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:  :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 26, 2010, 08:53:24 AM
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 08:37:24 AM
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    The evolution of residential schools
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    Douglas J. DeCerbo, executive director of Mount St. John Inc. in Deep River, Connecticut, notes that behavioral diagnoses continue to be the focus at the residential school. (photo by Tom Croke)
     
    By Phyllis Hanlon

    Twenty years ago, admission to a residential school was virtually a life sentence. In 2004, residential programs began to solicit input from students, encourage more family involvement and create safer living conditions. Today, residential schools reflect ongoing change and evolution.

    A 30-year veteran in the field, Paul L. Dann, Ph.D., executive director of NFI North, outside of Concord, N.H., has seen some dramatic changes in residential care in the last five years. He lists the complexity of diagnoses as well as the national trend away from residential placement as the biggest changes, with shrinking resources as the biggest challenge. "Many [children] have co-occurring diagnoses. It may be substance abuse, mental health issues or cognitive functioning," he says. "We also get more referrals for Asperger's and gender-specific services."

    While NFI North, an extension of the North American Family Institute (NAFI), traditionally follows a normative approach - creating a positive group culture and examining how students can move toward identified goals - treatment has shifted toward evidence-based practices as a way to "understand the complexity of human behavior," Dann says. He cites cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) and motivational enrichment therapy as two current treatment options.

    Families have also become the "drivers" of care, explains Dann. "In years past, we would partner with the family. Now we let the family drive where we're going," he says, citing traditional family meetings to create a treatment plan and identify goals and objectives as key to successful therapy. "We reach out to families at all levels of the treatment process. This is different than an expert telling them what to do," Dann says.

    At 105-year old Mount St. John Inc., in Deep River, Conn., behavioral diagnoses continue to be the focus, although more students are presenting with eating disorders, posttraumatic stress disorder and depression, according to Executive Director Douglas J. DeCerbo. Some students "have been exposed to behavior on the streets and a lot have come from the juvenile system," he notes. To adapt to this population, the school's treatment options have evolved. "Our Step Up program teaches the skills to deal with behavior, instead of trying to correct the behavior only," DeCerbo says. "Now a lot of focus has been placed on integrating the child into society.

    Shortened lengths of stay have contributed to the newer treatment methods. "In the past, a length of stay could be two or three years," says DeCerbo. "Now, it's nine months or less, unless there is a placement tie-up." From the time of admission, the plan is to prepare students for re-integration into society. "As soon as they [students] come in, we're already looking at a discharge plan," he says.

    To address life beyond residential care, Mount St. John is in the process of developing a vocational program. "We are affiliated with Homebuilders Institute in Washington, D.C. The students get certified in maintenance and 'greening.' They get school credit and work in an apprentice program," DeCerbo says.

    The philosophy regarding restraints and seclusion has also shifted. DeCerbo reports that Mount St. John has reduced its use of restraints by 30 percent, although he says there are times when this strategy is necessary. "But the emphasis is on prevention. We're always looking to de-escalate behavior," he says. "The whole field is going in that direction."

    Advances in electronic communications have created opportunities and benefits non-existent in the past. "Technology has helped in many areas: sharing and recording information, delivery of services, reaching distances and has saved resources," says Dann. NFI North uses a Web-based client record system, which helps to consolidate information. "All permissions, reports, treatment plans are electronic," he says. "There is a huge amount of data available. Before it was spread around in bits and pieces."

    Given that NFI North has facilities across New Hampshire and Maine, computerized systems facilitate communications. "My geographic area takes more than seven hours to cover," says Dann. "Now we can connect and engage people."

    Students are also tied in electronically through the Plato learning system, a virtual classroom. Dann says, "Students who can't deal with the classroom can get on the computer and get a terrific education."

    Mount St. John also offers a virtual learning program of 18 modules that are linked to the state board of education. "Going back to high school at 18 is difficult," says DeCerbo. "[Students] are not as much of an outcast if they can earn some credits while in a residential facility."

    Not all residential schools have seen significant change, however. ::OMG::  The Elan School in Poland Springs, Maine has maintained its focus on serving children with oppositional defiant disorder, according to Jerry Sapan, Ph.D., clinical psychologist. He notes some increase in Asperger's, posttraumatic stress disorder, attentive disorders and depressive disorder (NOS), but emphasizes that the model of care remains the same. "We have a methodical, thorough, assiduous, lengthy program," he says. The school attempts to build character, a strong work ethic and self-esteem through task mastery, Sapan explains.

    Although diagnoses upon admission and therapy remain the same, parental involvement has increased. Many of Elan's students come from across the country as well as from overseas so face-to-face encounters become challenging, Sapan says. "A few years ago, we started a Web cam for family sessions. This has improved the family component." While length of stay has been significantly reduced at most schools, Elan's philosophy of no psychotropic medications results in a typical stay of 2.5 years. "A shorter length of stay is due to medications," says Sapan. "We don't believe in masking a child's feelings. They need to learn how to deal with shame, discomfort and anxiety."

    While Elan supports Web sessions between students and families, the school allows access to email only under supervision. "Some of the students are computer addicted. They are too much into virtual violence and porno," says Sapan. "I'm amazed at how many young children, six and seven-years-old, are watching porn."

    Although he agrees with treating in the least restrictive setting, DeCerbo says that residential care has its place. "Residential [treatment] can be a viable treatment piece of the whole continuum for children. There should be a whole continuum depending on treatment needs and the best interest of the child."
     
       
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 09:01:47 AM
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    According to a report in the New York Post, Coleman somehow met his alleged accomplice, Krystal Riordan, via the Elan School, a school for troubled students ...
    http://www.hudsonreporter.com/pages/ful ... id=2417001 (http://www.hudsonreporter.com/pages/full_stories_home/push?article-Few+new+developments+in+grisly+murder+Bergen+Co-+girl+was+killed+in+Weehawken-+dumped+in+WNY%20&id=2417001) :cheers: Great recent post Hudson Reporter New Jersey  , :soapbox:  [2010] :rocker:Todays news literaly. :rocker:  :rocker:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 09:54:13 AM
    Ben Weasel Music News & Info | Billboard.com
    ... and was tossed out of three different Chicago-area schools before he was shipped off to Maine to attend the Elan School, described by its administrators ...
    www.billboard.com/artist/ben-weasel/137679 (http://www.billboard.com/artist/ben-weasel/137679)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 09:55:12 AM
    A TROUBLED YOUNG LIFE. The accused: dad says she has struggled ...
    Jul 30, 2006 ... Desperate to help Krystal when she was a teen, her parents sent her to the Elan School in Poland Spring, Maine, about 140 miles north of ...
    www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2006/ ... the_a.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2006/07/30/2006-07-30_a_troubled_young_life__the_a.html)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 09:58:06 AM
    A TROUBLED YOUNG LIFE. The accused: dad says she has struggled ...
    Jul 30, 2006 ... Desperate to help Krystal when she was a teen, her parents sent her to the Elan School in Poland Spring, Maine, about 140 miles north of ...
    www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2006/ ... the_a.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2006/07/30/2006-07-30_a_troubled_young_life__the_a.html)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 09:59:24 AM
    RISING STAR | www.nantucketindependent.com (http://www.nantucketindependent.com) | The Nantucket ...
    ... School teacher Chris Getoor in their middle and high school years, ... self-destruction before he landed at the Elan School of Poland, Maine, where troubled students are guided ...
    www.nantucketindependent.com/news/2008/ ... s/004.html (http://www.nantucketindependent.com/news/2008/1126/other_news/004.html)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 10:03:05 AM
    Whatever Happened To: Brad Smith - Milford, MA - The Milford ...
    His favorite memory from high school hockey came his freshman year in ... He was the assistant head master at the Elan School eventually moving on to Cony High. ...
    www.milforddailynews.com/archive/x16854 ... Brad-Smith (http://www.milforddailynews.com/archive/x1685420454/Whatever-Happened-To-Brad-Smith)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 10:04:07 AM
    The Latest News from Brady Mills Graphis and Interactive Marketing
    Brady Mills Graphics announced earlier this month that Elan School expanded its services with BMG. ... Learn more about Elan School at www.elanschool.com (http://www.elanschool.com). ...
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 10:17:01 AM
    Education Maine
    Pittsfield Maine Central Institute | Saint Agnes Parochial School | Poland Elan School | Portland Adams Elementary School | Deering High School | Hall ...
    www.ohwy.com/me/e/educatio.htm (http://www.ohwy.com/me/e/educatio.htm)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 10:48:16 AM
    :soapbox:  :soapbox: I would expect the site to remove Arts photo at once :soapbox:  :soapbox:
    Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Post by: Joel on January 27, 2010, 11:08:58 AM
    Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 07:42:08 PM
    :soapbox:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 28, 2010, 08:57:11 AM
    :soapbox: Good to see Matt Hoffman back on the site :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker: Long time no talk,thanks for coming around
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 28, 2010, 06:26:09 PM
    :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
    Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Post by: Joel on January 28, 2010, 06:55:04 PM
    Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 28, 2010, 07:00:25 PM
    Quote from: "Joel"
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
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    :soapbox: Great post Joel :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 09:43:23 AM
    :jawdrop: Former Elan residents cite pattern of abuse - Martha Moxley - The ...
    Accusations of physical abuse and humiliation bestowed upon Michael Skakel during his stay at the Elan School in Poland Spring, Maine might lend credibility ...
    www.marthamoxley.com/news/01282Kgrpost1.htm (http://www.marthamoxley.com/news/01282Kgrpost1.htm) :soapbox:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 09:45:35 AM
    SEVP: List of SEVIS Approved Schools in Maine
    Elan School, Elan School, Poland, ME, 4/28/2003 0:00. Erskine Academy, Erskine Academy, South China, ME, 6/14/2005 0:00. Faith School of Theology ...
    www.ice.gov/sevis/map/me.htm (http://www.ice.gov/sevis/map/me.htm)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 09:47:14 AM
    :rocker: 98-43
    On January 18, 1995, petitioner enrolled his son in the Elan School, .... The boy attended the Elan School during the 1996-97 and 1997-98 school years ...
    www.sro.nysed.gov/decisionindex/1998/98-43.htm (http://www.sro.nysed.gov/decisionindex/1998/98-43.htm) :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 09:51:53 AM
    :soapbox: International Survivors Action Committee (ISAC)
    ISAC Corporation is a non profit organization working to expose child abuse within privately owned behavior modification centers, drug treatment centers, ...
    isaccorp.org  :soapbox: Some reason site is not online ??
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 09:54:08 AM
    :jamin: FindLaw | Cases and Codes
    The school district refused. The Elan School does not offer psychiatric or other medical treatment for substance abuse or depression. ...
    caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&case=/data2/circs/7th/982682.html  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 09:56:08 AM
    Approved Out-of-State Special Education Schools as of December 9 ...
    Elan School P.O. Box 578. Poland, Maine 04274-0578, Approved: March 27, 2007, Expiration: Mar 27, 2010. Easter Seals School Of Rutland Vermont Step-Up ...
    www.doe.mass.edu/pqa/sa_nr/oos_spedschools.html (http://www.doe.mass.edu/pqa/sa_nr/oos_spedschools.html)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 10:14:18 AM
    The Newsroom
    L MAINE - Former victims describe dangerous "therapy" at Elan School for troubled teens in Maine, Associated Press, May 25, 2002 ..... Why child abuse is at 10-year low: Recent improvement is linked to the strong economy and .... and the possibly negative effects of being obsessed with pain and suffering (e.g., ...
    www.nospank.net/news3.htm (http://www.nospank.net/news3.htm)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 10:18:35 AM
    OUT OF THE SIXTIESEssays
    Those of us old enough to remember the 1960s will recall a decade of tremendous change, creativity and turmoil... Another early school was Elan, in Poland Springs, Maine. ...
    www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/ ... 5922.shtml (http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/printer_5922.shtml)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 10:33:42 AM
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    May 25, 2002 ... Former victims describe dangerous "therapy" at Elan School for ... about the " reputation for truthfulness" of fellow Elan alum John Higgins, ...
    www.nospank.net/elan.htm (http://www.nospank.net/elan.htm)
    A Miscarriage of Justice - The Atlantic (January/February 2003)
    The calls came from former students at the Elan School who were eager to ... John Higgins was another Elan bully. At the trial Higgins said that he had been ...
    www.theatlantic.com/doc/200301/kennedy-skakel/5 (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200301/kennedy-skakel/5)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 10:34:46 AM
    In re Michael s.
    Aug 17, 2000 ... (11) In the late 1970s, the respondent attended the Elan School in .... In evaluating the credibility of John Higgins, Gregory Coleman and ...
    www.jud.ct.gov/external/news/Press032.html (http://www.jud.ct.gov/external/news/Press032.html)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 10:39:05 AM
    ZoomInfo Open People Directory > Higgins, Joel - Higgins, John
    ... Diamond Elite Volleyball Academy. John Higgins, Eastern Harps. John Higgins, Elan School ... John Higgins, Kearsarge Regional School District School ...
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 10:42:01 AM
    Who's Who?
    John Higgins, a former classmate of Michael Skakel's at the Elan School. Higgins was the only person to testify that Skakel confessed to killing Martha ...
    www.marthamoxley.com/news/060802gt2.htm (http://www.marthamoxley.com/news/060802gt2.htm)
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 11:11:08 AM
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 11:23:19 AM
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:07:51 PM
    Straight Inc., Founded by Melvin and Betty Sembler
    Straight Inc., Founded by Melvin and Betty Sembler Straight spinoffs--Safe Recovery, Kids Helping Kids, Growing Together of Lake Worth, Pathway Family ...
    www.rickross.com/groups/straightinc.html (http://www.rickross.com/groups/straightinc.html)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:09:07 PM
    Sembler's Straight program
    Agity Hero of the Year 2002 (web division): Wes Fager, for his tireless efforts to bring the Straight, Inc. story to the public ...
    www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:10:06 PM
    Ambassador de Sade | | AlterNet
    For 16 years, Sembler, with his wife Betty, directed the leading juvenile rehab business in America, STRAIGHT, Inc., before seeing it dismantled by a ...
    www.alternet.org/story/27725 (http://www.alternet.org/story/27725)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:11:15 PM
    Straight Inc. by the Sea
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:11:46 PM
    Straight Inc. Visitor Comments
    "I was a victim of Straight Inc. I attended three of their programs. I was beaten up and sent to the hospital with a broken nose or jaw fracture more than ...
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:14:27 PM
    More Straight, Incorporated survivor accounts: | The Agitator
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    www.theagitator.com/2002/05/20/more-str ... r-accounts (http://www.theagitator.com/2002/05/20/more-straight-incorporated-survivor-accounts)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:17:04 PM
    Drug Free America Foundation, formerly known as Straight, Inc.
    From 1976-1985 it was known as Straight, Inc. and had a reputation for abusing kids as a drug rehabilitation program. In 1985 it changed its name to ...
    drugfreeamericafoundation.blogspot.com/ :soapbox: Have to type in drugfreeamericafoundation.blogspot.com :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:19:56 PM
    :soapbox:  ::OMG:: HEY ELANS PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS  ::OMG::  Straight, Inc. Survivor's Letter Requesting Acknowledgement ...
    Signatures on the Straight, Inc. Survivor's Letter Requesting Acknowledgement and an Apology Petition to Nancy Reagan, President George Bush, Sr., Former ...
    http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/ ... 5561me&201 (http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?295561me&201) :soapbox:That what we need :cheers: :soapbox:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:21:57 PM
    :rocker: Straight Survivors Meetup Groups - Straight Survivors Meetups
    Meet other local friends, family, and survivors of Straight, Inc., a controversial drug rehab for teenagers started in the 1970's. ...
    [straight.meetup.com/]   must type in  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:23:09 PM
    Maia Szalavitz: DEA, Florida 'Honor' Abusive Rehab Founder, Wife ...
    Jan 16, 2009 ... The equivalent just happened in Florida, where Betty Sembler--co-founder of the abusive Straight, Inc. rehab chain--has been named by ...
    www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szalavitz/d ... e_b_158529 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szalavitz/dea-florida-honor-abusive_b_158529)
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:25:47 PM
    FOXNews.com
    Aug 8, 2000 ... Samantha Monroe was 12 years old in 1981 when her parents enrolled her in the Sarasota, Fla., branch of Straight Inc., an aggressive drub ...
    www.webdiva.org/fox/ (http://www.webdiva.org/fox/)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:26:45 PM
    Drug Free America Foundation, formerly known as Straight, Inc.: The ...
    From 1976-1985 it was known as Straight, Inc. and had a reputation for abusing kids as a drug rehabilitation program. In 1985 it changed its name to Straight Foundation, Inc. in ...
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 04:47:01 PM
    :soapbox:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 05:39:49 PM
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: come on January 29, 2010, 06:02:04 PM
    I will give you $500 if you don't respond to anything until midnight.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 06:15:04 PM
    :notworthy:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 06:32:06 PM
    :soapbox:  :soapbox:
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    Post by: come on January 29, 2010, 06:34:34 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    :soapbox:  :soapbox: Hey Stupid you still there this forum gets alot of hits, make sure you make an ass of yourself Stupid,But use your real name and be adult Stupid, My forums get the most hits if want to be know say it Stupid. Or look at the count on views if you can count Stupid :fuckoff:  :karma:  :fuckoff:

    You usually talk to yourself.  That is why this forum gets allot of hits.  Talking to yourself is a serious problem mark.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 06:36:01 PM
    :jawdrop:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 06:37:11 PM
    :notworthy:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: come on January 29, 2010, 06:40:14 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    :notworthy: Please more words of witt :notworthy: Stupid

    mark come back to group and talk about your feelings/anger/resentment/childhood.  We care about you.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 06:42:58 PM
    ::unhappy::::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: come on January 29, 2010, 06:44:31 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    ::unhappy:: I dont care about you and that was your first mistake Stupid, haven't gotten past hiding yet ::unhappy::

    You have more to say.  Don't stop now.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 06:46:28 PM
    :soapbox:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: come on January 29, 2010, 06:59:34 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    :notworthy: Ok you get the last word Stupid :notworthy:

    I never thought mark would bow down to another troll.   :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on February 23, 2010, 03:41:05 PM
    I knew you guys would make it threw the storm :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Just love those little guys on the side here :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 14, 2010, 11:31:30 AM
    :cheers:  :feedtrolls:  :agree:  :rasta: Site is loooking great guys
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    History of Poland, Maine
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    A Gazetteer of the
    State of Maine

    By Geo. J. Varney
    Published by B. B. Russell, 57 Cornhill,
    Boston 1886








    Poland is the south-west town of Androscoggin County. It is 10 miles from Lewiston and 85 from Portland, with both of which places it is connected by the Grand Trunk Railroad, which passes across the north-eastern portion of the town. The territory of Poland is nearly square, its angles marking the points of the compass. It is bounded on the north-east by Minot and Auburn from which it is separated by the little Androscoggin River, on the south-east by New Gloucester and Auburn, on the south-west by Casco and Raymond, and on the north-west by Otisfield and Oxford. It contains 26,000 acres of land, about two-thirds of which is improved. There are six considerable ponds wholly within its limits and another in part. Thompson’s Pond, the last mentioned and largest, is at the western angle, and contains 8 square miles. Tripp’s Pond, lying about half a mile eastward, has-an area of one and one-fourth square miles; the Upper, Middle and Lower Range ponds, lying parallel with the last from the middle of the town southward, contains 85-55 and 50-lOOths of a square mile respectively. The principal business of the town is at Mechanic Falls. Poland Corner, at the centre of the town, has steam, grist, saw and planing mills, and considerable neighborhood trade. There is a lumber-mill and sash and blind factory at Page’s Miii on the river above Mechanic Falls, and lumber-mills at Hacket’s Mills and Minot Post-Office below, and at West Poland. At the southern angle of the town the Shakers have a power used for several small manufactures. East Poland has a post-office and railway station, and West and South Poland and Shaker Village have each a post-office. The most important manufactures at Mechanic Falls are paper, and the repeating rifles of the Evans Rifle Company, and a canning factory. The Dennison Paper Manufacturing Company operates six different mills at this place, producing various kinds of paper, and employing about 225 persons. The surface of the town is in the eastern part level or gentle undulating, while in the western portion there is a combination of hill, lake and forest scenery that is very pleasing, and in some parts highly picturesque. The ledges that crop out along the hillsides show a coarse granite structure with a predominance e of felspar in some localities. Micaschist and argillaceous rock are found in other quarters. The soil in the lowlands and valleys is alluvial, having a surface stratum of vegetable origin underlaid by sand. Poland is one of our best agricultural towns, all the usual crops having a good yield.

    The town, however, is most noted for its mineral springs. There are the Poland and South Poland and the Highland springs, the two latter just coming into notice. All are situated at an elevation which affords fine views of the surrounding country, and are recommended for some diseases of the kidneys and associate derangements. The Poland spring, known in the region as Ricker’s, is owned by Hiram Ricker and sons, in whose family the property has been since 1794. Wentworth Ricker opened the Mansion House in 1797 and it has been kept as a hotel by his son and then by his grandsons ever since. Little attention was given to the spring until about 1858; when the valuable qualities of the water becoming generally known, the hotel (whose business had fallen off with the change from stages to railroads) soon had to be enlarged. So popular have the waters of this spring become, that a few years ago it was found advisable to build another and larger house for the accommodation of the patrons who flocked thither in the summer months. The new house bears the name of the Poland Springs House, and contains 120 sleeping rooms, and has 450 feet of broad piazza. The situation on the top of a high, extended hill, or ridge, 800 feet above the ocean, with ponds, forests amid other hills on every side, is one of rare attraction. The spring runs about eight gallons a minute from a crevice in the solid granite ledge. Besides Ricker’s Hill may be mentioned Pigeon, Harris, Johnson’s, Megquier, White Oak, Bailey, Thurlow and Black Cat hills, all considerable eminences. The two neighboring Shaker villages, called the Upper Shaker Village, in the town about one half mile south, and another called the Lower Village in New Gloucester, about a mile south of the last, are objects of interest to visitors. The sect in this town originated in 1784 or 1785 by the preaching of an itinerant disciple of Ann Lee, from Lebanon, New York. There were at this time quite a number of settlers on Ricker Hill, and most of them became converted. They were joined by others from Hebron; but exchanged their lands, and settled together in New Gloucester, forming what is now called the Lower Family, and holding their property in common. The Upper Family, orthe present Poland community, came from Gorham, Maine, in 1819. They then numbered about 50, but now less than 40. They brought with them eight oxen, three horses and twenty cows, with a variety of house. hold goods and farming utensils. They have since further increased their lands by purchase. They have now in addition to the dwelling. houses they have occupied for a half century, a new stone-house three or more stories in height. It contains one or two large central halls, together with a large number of lodging arid living rooms. It was begun before the war, and when finished will have cost about $20,000. Beside this, they have land and other property to the value of about $30,000.

    The earliest settlers were Nathaniel Bailey, Daniel Lane, Moses Emery, and John Newman, who settled at what has long been known as “The Empire” in 1768—1769. The Pulsifer family is a leading one of the town, having located here in the person of their ancestor, David Pulsifer, in 1790. The family has furnished several esteemed public men. John Nevins, who claimed to have cut the first tree felled in Poland, died in 1832, being above 100 years of age; other names are Josiah Dunn, “Captain” Davis, John Rollins, “Captain” Farrington, Henry Bray, Benjamin Coombs and Mrs. Woodard. The land titles are from the proprietors of Bakerton (see Auburn). The town is thought to have been named for Poland, a noted Indian chief of the region. It was incorporated in 1795. A portion was set off to Danville in 1852.

    The total amount paid out by the town for its expenses in the war of the Rebellion is $45,230, and the total number of men for which it received credit, 304.

    The religious societies of the town are the Congregationalists, Universalists, Free Baptists, and Adventists. Poland has twenty-two public schoolhouses, valued at $16,775. The valuation of estates in 1870 was $765,960. The population at the same date was 2,436. In 1880, it was 2,443. The valuation in 1880 was $920,057.
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    History of Waterford, Maine
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    A Gazetteer of the
    State of Maine

    By Geo. J. Varney
    Published by B. B. Russell, 57 Cornhill,
    Boston 1886







    Waterford lies in the southern part of the broad middle section of Oxford County. The township is almost square, with angles marking nearly the points of the compass. Norway bounds it on the north-east, Albany and Stonham on the north-west, Sweden and Lovell on the south-west, and Harrison and Bridgton in Cumberland County, on the south-east. Crooked River enters the town on the north-west side and leaves it at the south-eastern angle in its course completely exemplifying its name. Extending across the southern portion of the town is a range of ponds, bearing the names of Long, Thomas, Bear and Moose. At the western angle, lies Kezar Pond, Island Pond, lies near the southern angle, Pappoose Pond near Crooked River in the north-eastern part, Bog Pond a little south-east of Thomas Pond, Chapin Pond at the north of Kezar, and Duck Pond on the south-western side of the town. These vary in size from 484 to 50 acres, in the order in which they are mentioned. In the southern part of the town is a range of three considerable eminences, of which the highest have the names of Bear and Hawk mountains. In the western part of the town Beek Hill stands solitary and beautiful. On the outlet of Bear Pond, and near Hawk Mountain, are a saw mill, grist mill, a clothes pin factory, and a hotel. Waterford post-office and the town-house are at “ Waterford Flat,” on the western side of Thomas Pond. South Waterford post-office (“Waterford City,”) is on the stream connecting Thomas and Bear ponds. East Waterford post-office (“Rice’s Junction"), is between Crooked River and Long Pond, on the outlet of the latter. North Waterford is situated on Crooked River near the north-western side of the town.

    At Waterford Flat are a tannery and Shattuck’s Hygienic Institution; at North Waterford are a lumber mill, a sash mill, a grist mill and a tannery; at South Waterford are a lumber and grist mill, a stave-mill, a salt box, dry bucket and carriage factories.

    The surface of the town is uneven and has much beautiful scenery, especially about the southern ponds. The roads are excellent, and nowhere are more enjoyable drives to he found than in this town. It is 13 miles from the Grand Trunk Railroad station at South Paris, on a stage-line from that place to Fryeburg.

    Waterford was surveyed in 1774. The first settler was David McWayne, who took up his residence here alone in 1775. So fond was he of utter solitude that he appeared very much annoyed when, three years later, a clearing was commenced on what is now known as Paris Hill, 12 or 15 miles away; Eleazer Hamlin, father of Dr. Cyrus, and grand-father of Hom. Hannibal Hamlin was an early settler, as were also his three brothers. Five or six Brown brothers, and the four families of Jewett, Saunders, Chaplin and Greene also came early. Prof. William W. Greene, M.D., distinguished as a surgeon, was a native of Waterford. The titles to the lands were principally from Jonathan Houghton, Henry Gardiner, David Sampson, Jonathan Whitcomb, chief proprietors.

    The town was incorporated March 2, 1797. An Orthodox minister was settled in 1799, and a militia company formed in the same year. At present there are two Congregational churches and one Methodist church in the town. The number of public schoolhouses is fourteen; and the school-property is valued at $7,O00. The population in 1870 was 1,286; polls, 333. In 1880 it was 1,161, with 349 polls. The valuation in 1870 was $403,651. In 1880 it was $338,987
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    History of Sebago, Maine
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    A Gazetteer of the
    State of Maine

    By Geo. J. Varney
    Published by B. B. Russell, 57 Cornhill,
    Boston 1886







    Sebago is situated on the north-western shore of Lake Sebago and in the western part of Cumberland County. Bridgton and and Naples lie on the north-east, Baldwin lies on the south, and Denmark and Hiram, in Oxtbrd County, lie on the west. The early history of Sebago is blended with that of Baldwin; the territory having been granted with the latter by Massachusetts, in 1774, to Whittemore, Lawrence, and their associates,-the survivors of John Fitch and Company. In 1826 this territory was divided,-the northern part being incorporated under the name of Sebago. About 1000 acres from Denmark was annexed in 1830; and 400 acres have since been added from Baldwin; but in forming Naples, in 1834, 4,700 acres were taken from Sehago. The surface of the town is very uneven, and generally rocky. It was a severe task to clear up a farm in this rough region; but the soil was strong and repaid the industrious with abundant crops. The building and maintaining of roads among the rocky hills amid the construction of bridges over its rapid streams has always been a severe tax upon the inhabitants; but the work has been well performed. The highest eminences in Sebago are Saddleback Mountain, on the southern border, Peaked Mountain, in the eastern part, and Tiger mountain in the north-eastern. Brown's and Perley ponds,-the largest three-fourths of a mile in length-lie within town limits. On its borders are Sebago Lake, Peabody, Great Hancock, Hancock, and South-East ponds. The principal streams are North-West River, Mill Brook and Sandy Beach Brook. The chief settlement is on Mill Brook, near the centre of the town,-constituting Sebago village. The principal manufactures are long and short lumber, shooks and boots and shoes.

    The town has Congregatiunalist, Baptist, Gen. Baptist, and Union churches. Sebago has nine public schoolhouses, valued at $1,600. The estates in 1870 were valued at $175,550. In 1880 they were valued at $183,095. The population at the same date was 803. The census of 1880 increases it to 808.
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 09:30:41 AM
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 09:32:47 AM
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    Mark Babitz I guess the top two post are the beginning and the end of Parsons field on paper,Randall was the name of one of the original settlers, the town was named after Thomas Parson in 1785 or so. Randall's Mountain Lodge , Kings Lodge in Poland springs, Joe had a thing for the old lodges and it was not the beauty .In the 70s Parsons field was still a Saw Mill and some old Seminaries a hand full of stores.York County was very quiet,like Poland Springs, You could scream all night and no on would hear you.Maybe thats why Joe did it to look out for our privacy.Waterford seemed a little to close to other resident in the area and thats why it was such a public hot spot for kids and running away, Parsons field cleared allot of that up .I dont really remember the place I went there once with Mike Hohman to pick stuff up.I did recall the buildings once I saw them and I do understand why when I see farms that style I feel like I have been there.I ran from One and one to me is Poland Springs main house, You guys confuse me with all the numbers,And those woods were dark and deeep, so to yell or have GMs in the middle of the night of give haircut and blast outside , you were in no danger of bothering the neighbors .He had it all figured out.He was only 24 or 25 I think when he talk Davidson into the hustle I think.To think parents and worse state agencies that have the resources to check stuff out,just went on and did it anyway, WOW!!!!!!.Elan just enhanced some problems I had in life,and still have some. So I dont blame them for my troubles, I do know they didnt try and help them and it seems like others had the same time. so I dont think I am crazy now, Just wondering why it still goes on and in so many places, Straights and all the others.Some body has to have the answer out there,and its not just their money, Kenndys go to prison and many others, Its just finding the right straw and it all comes down.As far as telling of my time in Parsons filed,well you had to be there and still walked away with questions on what just happed ??? It was 75 and wide open Matt and Danny know the days.Thank God were here to talk about it.like a fright train it only happens once and you never forget it.
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 09:33:30 AM
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    Mark Babitz Thats Elan in 1912 in Parsonsfied, It still stands and is being renovated, it was called Maple Crest Sani
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    Mark Babitz Elan one in 1943 above
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    Mark Babitz Parsonsfileds address is 424 Maplecrest Parsonsfield Maine.04047. I got that right from the town office
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 15, 2010, 09:35:11 AM
    mark babitz rules!  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 09:45:07 AM
    Quote from: "harry cox"
    I like your work.  Create a thread called the "Talk shit troll thread" in the open free for all.  That would be funny as hell.   I am counting on you babitz.
    -- I THINK OUR FRIEND IS BACK.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 09:46:56 AM
    :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls: --This was sent to me email on this site, I would not open any of the kinks below they could have viruses in them, I think they are from [ He whom we dont speak of ] I dont understand who would send a crazy request like that.Trools get hit crossing the street here,so there really is no need to lock them in a room, They are much more fun to shoot openly and randomly as they troll threw.the best part of troll hunting is the chase,they arent very fast and dont think on their feet,often repeat them-selfs and attack the same person.Trolls tend to be followers,so leading them isnt nessesary. They crave attention of any kind good or bad.So they come at any call.If have misunderstood this E-Mail i am sorry, But troll hunting comes natural, one doesnt have to recruit it, Its like shooting a deer in a penn. how much fun is that ??. The run is the best and the element of surprise to the troll makes it great. :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :peace:  ::unhappy::  :rasta:
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    Main Entry: 1troll
    Pronunciation: ?tr?l
    Function: verb
    Etymology: Middle English, probably from Anglo-French *troiller, *troller; akin to Anglo-French troil, trolle winch
    Date: 15th century

    transitive verb
    1 : to cause to move round and round : roll
    2 a : to sing the parts of (as a round or catch) in succession b : to sing loudly c : to celebrate in song
    3 a : to fish for by trolling b : to fish by trolling in <troll lakes> c : to pull through the water in trolling <troll a lure> d : to search in or at <trolls flea markets for bargains>; also : prowl <troll nightclubs>intransitive verb 1 : to move around : ramble
    2 a : to fish by trailing a lure or baited hook from a moving boat b : search, look <trolling for sponsors>; also : prowl
    3 : to sing or play in a jovial manner
    4 : to speak rapidly

    — troll·er noun

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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 09:50:20 AM
    I wouldn't open any of the links in above post they could be loaded with viruses, :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :rasta:  ::deadhorse::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 11:01:11 AM
    "When Phil died in the ring"  

    Ive stood by and watched the bullshit and constant lies for quite some time, but this one tops them all.
    Phil didnt die in the ring, Phil died from an anurism which he was born with. A ticking time bomb. Coincidentally he was in the ring for a short time prior to his death. He was not placed in the ring against his will.
    The state of Maine medical examiner performed an autopsy which confirmed the cause of death and the death certificate stated ANURISM. Nothing to do with physical abuse, a physical confrontation or otherwise.

    This site is a farce. a few reasons why:
    Posting anonomously
    No regard for the truth
    BIASED board owners/mods
    The simple fact that its exsistance is of a negative motivation. And more

    There are some really fucked up people here, but then again, theres some people who want others to simply THINK they are fucked up.

    What a joke this place is. A stressful, negative unpleasant place to fabricate stories, say the most outrageous things you can think of, and piss and moan about a place you DESERVED to be for being the people you were, and in most cases, still ARE.

    P. S.
    Open ANY year book from ANY school, public or private, and the same "death, suicide, incarcerated..." stats will apply.
    Elan isnt the source of the problems we all face after leaving, SOCIETY IS! deal with it.

    If you feel bad about being in an allegedly abusive environment, GET HELP!, there are many many resources for help...THIS FUCKING FARCE WEBSITE (developed by a former, self proclaimed "abused person") IS NOT ADEQUATE FOR PROVIDING THE HELP YOU MIGHT NEED...nor is anyone here qualified to offer help.

    P.S.S. Ginger, with your infinite wisdom and
    knowledge, shouldnt this be an OBVIOUS OBSERVATION?
    Guest
     
    This a repost not my views or knowledge
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 01:48:09 PM
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Ta ... aine&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TaAgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=r2gFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1179,1132320&dq=doug+brakey+lisbon+maine&hl=en)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 01:49:29 PM
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wX ... aine&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wXkgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pGcFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2053,3670213&dq=doug+brakey+lisbon+maine&hl=en) :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 15, 2010, 02:48:27 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    "When Phil died in the ring"  

    Ive stood by and watched the bullshit and constant lies for quite some time, but this one tops them all.
    Phil didnt die in the ring, Phil died from an anurism which he was born with. A ticking time bomb. Coincidentally he was in the ring for a short time prior to his death. He was not placed in the ring against his will.
    The state of Maine medical examiner performed an autopsy which confirmed the cause of death and the death certificate stated ANURISM. Nothing to do with physical abuse, a physical confrontation or otherwise.

    This site is a farce. a few reasons why:
    Posting anonomously
    No regard for the truth
    BIASED board owners/mods
    The simple fact that its exsistance is of a negative motivation. And more

    There are some really fucked up people here, but then again, theres some people who want others to simply THINK they are fucked up.

    What a joke this place is. A stressful, negative unpleasant place to fabricate stories, say the most outrageous things you can think of, and piss and moan about a place you DESERVED to be for being the people you were, and in most cases, still ARE.

    P. S.
    Open ANY year book from ANY school, public or private, and the same "death, suicide, incarcerated..." stats will apply.
    Elan isnt the source of the problems we all face after leaving, SOCIETY IS! deal with it.

    If you feel bad about being in an allegedly abusive environment, GET HELP!, there are many many resources for help...THIS FUCKING FARCE WEBSITE (developed by a former, self proclaimed "abused person") IS NOT ADEQUATE FOR PROVIDING THE HELP YOU MIGHT NEED...nor is anyone here qualified to offer help.

    P.S.S. Ginger, with your infinite wisdom and
    knowledge, shouldnt this be an OBVIOUS OBSERVATION?
    Guest
     
    This a repost not my views or knowledge
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Mark who posted this???? This is very interesting, how long ago was this post. Nice to see all sides though. Interesting.......
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 03:28:29 PM
    I dont remember were on this site, but it was posted in 03,The poster was I think guest :cheers:  :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 03:37:47 PM
    :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: The ring
    by mark babitz » less than a minute ago

    Becca wrote:
    I have heard the ring was different back when Elan was newer, but when I was there it was very only for very extreme cases. A student would generally get more warnings than could be counted. They would have to have shown extreme physical violence and not responded at all to the warnings.
    The ring was litterally a boxing ring. Students would be fully padded in the same height/weight class and have to follow boxing guidelines.
    Unless the student receiving the ring refused to commit to stop their violent behavior the ring would never last more than 3 minutes. Mine lasted 28 seconds.
    I hope this clears it up for you.
    Becca :beat:  :beat:  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 15, 2010, 03:43:47 PM
    Hey Mark,
    You should also post Antigens responses to those posts they are good. The conversation between Becca and Antigen was a classic case of a traumatized resident just out of bootcamp talking with another that has been out of a while passing on the reality of what transpired. I thought it was a educational experience for the reader also.
    Danny
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 16, 2010, 10:45:40 AM
    :cheers:  :cheers:

    Mark Babitz http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2A ... aine&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2A8gAAAAIBAJ&sjid=imUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2270,2577371&dq=elan+auburn+maine&hl=en) scroll to top
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 16, 2010, 11:04:00 AM
    Mark ,

    Your troll posting was over the top. I laughed so hard that my eyes started to water.

    Made me think about fishing ,and you know how you get  a little fish and you have to gently remove the hook and then you realease them carefully back into the water and hope you don't get another one.

    You know how hard those little fish wiggle (trolls) when they are caught , and if you're like me you are actually talking to them as you try to free the hook. and they are just flapping around all over the place.

     Hey now little buddy.
    easy there little fella
    Okay I've almost got it
    Hold still okay
    there you go little fellow  be free.

    Mark it made me laugh so hard , thank you.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 16, 2010, 12:53:25 PM
    :rocker:  :rocker:  :jamin: The truth can sometimes be very funny, I couldnt help myself Matt I needed to describe the proper way of troll trapping,Always remember your dealing with someone weaker and less savoy to the true survival techniques in life. They dont move fast or efficient , kind of like a sloth or slug , they generally posses less than average intelligence and are very needy,they will warm up to you like a Dutch Uncle, while fleecing your belongings mentally and otherwise. They are generally not very nice and hide allot, they are somewhat computer nocturnal, they avoid being spotted if possible.They have the drive of insanity,always repeating them selfs and their actions.Trolls are easily guiled like a bird to glass,they tend not to look both ways when running out into lifes situations,They find work as carrier pigeons , and gofers of messages.How to feed a troll, one must carefully and patiently,look directly at the troll and mirror their likeness and actions,not tipping them off that they are being mocked, once getting the trolls blind needy trust, you suck them in and have your way with them,then spitting them out like a bad taste in your mouth. Never worry about offending them they will always come back. they have unconditional love for the abuse they endure.The Col Flag or Frank Burns from M.A.S.H. syndrome ,more danger to them selfs than anyone else, They are the ones that would rob a bank and ask for all the small bills and coins.Trolls tend not get on phones,because of their lack of being able to think on their feet.If able to corner a troll ask them to tell a short story and then have them try to repeat it backwards,But dont let them know your doing it.The hours and days of fun you will cause for yourself is all worth the hunt.You will hear every story but the original,while enjoying the feeding with your new troll . They are very fun I like to always have one following me, it is also a great venting source as some of you have proven recently here on the site.No way could any of you justify those feeling unless directed at a troll, So thank God for trolls,they keep the normal balanced and upright. Just think of how many of our families are spared our rath on a bad day thanks to a troll.They take all the hatred out of you, I sponsor feeding and preservation of the trolls, They can be of more use than they are really out their for,They are like boomerangs, they always come back with no real reason but physics,So please embrace, and preserve the trolls of our internet, you might need one to yell at or play with one and they wont be their, At one time they were people too ,remember that. I just say the people thing to be Christian about it,lol   :cheers:  Long live the Trolls :cheers:  :rasta:  :peace:  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 16, 2010, 01:06:57 PM
    :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  
    PRICELESS!!!!
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 01:57:10 PM
    So let us all understand something here Matt, Mark and Ursus. Mark was the troll and flooder maybe a couple of months ago. Got banned from the Fornits FaceBook site and Matt and Ursus applauded this action. Matt so much as told me that Mark was off his rocker, yeah he talked to him on the phone but did not trust him. Now your his bosom buddy this is exactly why I jumped on your phony ass Matt.
    Yeah Mark enjoy your ride because these folks are as committed to you as they are to a virus. Problem that I didn't realize is they are the virus.
    Long story short this is why others and myself find folks like Matt and Ursus gutless and immoral. You use people for you purposes one of which is shallow as hell, "popularity" also to further your agenda of discrediting others that talk negatively about you. My two dudess I stand all by myself in my claims against you. Now and before. I am so happy that you have picked up another one.
    This band wagon is getting full. I think it is time to take your act on the road.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 16, 2010, 02:04:19 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    So let us all understand something here Matt, Mark and Ursus. Mark was the troll and flooder maybe a couple of months ago. Got banned from the Fornits FaceBook site and Matt and Ursus applauded this action. Matt so much as told me that Mark was off his rocker, yeah he talked to him on the phone but did not trust him. Now your his bosom buddy this is exactly why I jumped on your phony ass Matt.

    Your assumption moron.  Doesn't look like they're 'bosom buddies' to me.  More like Ursus and Matt simply appreciate a decent troll.  


    Quote
    Yeah Mark enjoy your ride because these folks are as committed to you as they are to a virus.

    If you're looking to a message board for commitment, you may have more serious problems that need attention.

    Quote
    Long story short this is why others and myself find folks like Matt and Ursus gutless and immoral.

    Stop listening to the voices in your head.  No one else finds Matt or Ursus gutless or immoral.


    Quote
    My two dudess I stand all by myself in my claims against you.

    Yes, you do.  Which completely contradicts what you just posted.


    Quote
     I think it is time to take your act on the road.

    Apply it to yourself!!!  (pointing at forehead.....possibly only Straight peeps will get that one) :rofl:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on March 16, 2010, 02:13:35 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    So let us all understand something here Matt, Mark and Ursus. Mark was the troll and flooder maybe a couple of months ago.
    no
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 02:29:20 PM
    Quote from: "psy"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    So let us all understand something here Matt, Mark and Ursus. Mark was the troll and flooder maybe a couple of months ago.
    no
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    You wish, but since you hide in your private messages when you want to be truthful about someone who would know. Right Psy....Except when you want to be truthful about me with one of your buddies.
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Anyways lets take a look at Mark in action against Ursus......2 months ago.

    Re: New Forum Policies

    Postby garystadler » 17 Jan 2010, 09:09
    You Need to know About Depression Medication
    Ursus is the most annoying poster on this forum. Is ursus a undercover troll or just retarded? Protip: Post links instead copypasta! you are making pages impossible to navigate. on purpose?? hmmmmm I like the way Ursus posts things! So, FUCK OFF! Get yourself a computer upgrade and try a 20" w... :soapbox: Nice way of expressing herself. ::unhappy::
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Thank You nuff' said!!!!!!!!!
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 16, 2010, 02:30:49 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "psy"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    So let us all understand something here Matt, Mark and Ursus. Mark was the troll and flooder maybe a couple of months ago.
    no
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    You wish, but since you hide in your private messages when you want to be truthful about someone who would know. Right Psy....Except when you want to be truthful about me with one of your buddies.
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Anyways lets take a look at Mark in action against Ursus......

    Re: New Forum Policies

    Postby garystadler » 17 Jan 2010, 09:09
    You Need to know About Depression Medication
    Ursus is the most annoying poster on this forum. Is ursus a undercover troll or just retarded? Protip: Post links instead copypasta! you are making pages impossible to navigate. on purpose?? hmmmmm I like the way Ursus posts things! So, FUCK OFF! Get yourself a computer upgrade and try a 20" w... :soapbox: Nice way of expressing herself. ::unhappy::
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Thank You nuff' said!!!!!!!!!


    Wow.  I really have no idea what you just said.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 16, 2010, 03:14:25 PM
    LOLOLOLLLLLLL! That wasn't Gary Stadler. That was garystadler quoting part of a post Eliscu2 made, and Eliscu had in turn quoted Guest.

    Going back in time:


    Here, for y'all to see, is the original post (December 5, 2009), with link:

    Quote from: "Guest"
    Ursus is the most annoying poster on this forum. Is ursus a undercover troll or just retarded?

    Protip: Post links instead copypasta! you are making pages impossible to navigate. on purpose?? hmmmmm

    http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 46#p352966 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=29446#p352966)

    Nice try, Danny Duck, but noooooo cigar!  :D
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 03:18:05 PM
    My point is taken Ursus, that is what Gary/Mark had to say about you pal.
    Hit it on the head too.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 03:27:51 PM
    Just in case you forgot your wonderful relationship with Mark/Gary, "Ursus"
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:

    Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

    Postby mark babitz » 17 Jan 2010, 20:27

        Ursus wrote:

            mark babitz wrote:this forum was split to keep Felice away and stop her from crying


        Source for your assertion?

        From the Fornits' FAQ:

              Terms of use
              This forum is offered to absolutely anyone with any kind of interest in the troubled parent inustry, cults, thought reform or any tangentally related topic. It is a resource to facilitate open, unmediated discussion relating to the topics designated by individual forum moderators and to promote coordination and networking efforts relating to them...

    Mark Babitz
    ::OMG:: What exactly are you trying to say, spit it out I dont need directions you do.and some reading lessons. Nothing was said until Felice started up and I am sure she will wonder over here why who knows.My post and Gary's were all Elan directed, go back and read, and then she came along with Elan people dont have time for this.go back and read.I still gather and post I have my direction and will run over anything that gets in the way. So WHY would anyone find need to bother me or try and insult what I am doing,I once again ask drop the Felice crusade and get on to Elan but you guys wont and thats what makes the game fun. ::unhappy:: ::unhappy::
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 16, 2010, 03:38:00 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    My point is taken Ursus, that is what Gary/Mark had to say about you pal.
    Hit it on the head too.
    Danny

    Ummmmm, how 'bout NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 16, 2010, 03:38:41 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Just in case you forgot your wonderful relationship with Mark/Gary, "Ursus"
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:

    Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

    Postby mark babitz » 17 Jan 2010, 20:27

        Ursus wrote:

            mark babitz wrote:this forum was split to keep Felice away and stop her from crying


        Source for your assertion?

        From the Fornits' FAQ:

              Terms of use
              This forum is offered to absolutely anyone with any kind of interest in the troubled parent inustry, cults, thought reform or any tangentally related topic. It is a resource to facilitate open, unmediated discussion relating to the topics designated by individual forum moderators and to promote coordination and networking efforts relating to them...

    Mark Babitz
    ::OMG:: What exactly are you trying to say, spit it out I dont need directions you do.and some reading lessons. Nothing was said until Felice started up and I am sure she will wonder over here why who knows.My post and Gary's were all Elan directed, go back and read, and then she came along with Elan people dont have time for this.go back and read.I still gather and post I have my direction and will run over anything that gets in the way. So WHY would anyone find need to bother me or try and insult what I am doing,I once again ask drop the Felice crusade and get on to Elan but you guys wont and thats what makes the game fun. ::unhappy:: ::unhappy::
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Danny


    QUOTE FEATURE DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 16, 2010, 03:39:18 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    So let us all understand something here Matt, Mark and Ursus. Mark was the troll and flooder maybe a couple of months ago. Got banned from the Fornits FaceBook site and Matt and Ursus applauded this action. Matt so much as told me that Mark was off his rocker, yeah he talked to him on the phone but did not trust him. Now your his bosom buddy this is exactly why I jumped on your phony ass Matt.
    Yeah Mark enjoy your ride because these folks are as committed to you as they are to a virus. Problem that I didn't realize is they are the virus.
    Long story short this is why others and myself find folks like Matt and Ursus gutless and immoral. You use people for you purposes one of which is shallow as hell, "popularity" also to further your agenda of discrediting others that talk negatively about you. My two dudess I stand all by myself in my claims against you. Now and before. I am so happy that you have picked up another one.
    This band wagon is getting full. I think it is time to take your act on the road.
    Danny
    Personally, I would call trying to hang blame on garystadler for trolling me ... without even doing a friggin' search of the forum to find out where the quote originally came from ... to be pretty "gutless and immoral."

    Do you routinely accuse people of things before making sure of their guilt?

    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    My point is taken Ursus, that is what Gary/Mark had to say about you pal.
    Hit it on the head too.
    Danny
    His comment was on Eliscu2's response to my troll, specifically, he said, "Nice way of expressing herself," in response to her telling my troll to "FUCK OFF!" Kindly read more carefully.

    Personally, I see this whole exchange as a supreme compliment. My faith in humanity has not only been restored, it has been elevated to heights heretofore unknown!

    My working premise that involvement with cults stultifies critical thinking skills has also been confirmed. Oh blessed day!

      :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 16, 2010, 03:40:27 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"

    My working premise that involvement with cults stultifies critical thinking skills has also been confirmed. Oh blessed day!

      :cheers:


     :cheers:  :tup:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 03:45:45 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    So let us all understand something here Matt, Mark and Ursus. Mark was the troll and flooder maybe a couple of months ago. Got banned from the Fornits FaceBook site and Matt and Ursus applauded this action. Matt so much as told me that Mark was off his rocker, yeah he talked to him on the phone but did not trust him. Now your his bosom buddy this is exactly why I jumped on your phony ass Matt.
    Yeah Mark enjoy your ride because these folks are as committed to you as they are to a virus. Problem that I didn't realize is they are the virus.
    Long story short this is why others and myself find folks like Matt and Ursus gutless and immoral. You use people for you purposes one of which is shallow as hell, "popularity" also to further your agenda of discrediting others that talk negatively about you. My two dudess I stand all by myself in my claims against you. Now and before. I am so happy that you have picked up another one.
    This band wagon is getting full. I think it is time to take your act on the road.
    Danny
    Personally, I would call trying to hang blame on garystadler for trolling me ... without even doing a friggin' search of the forum to find out where the quote originally came from ... to be pretty "gutless and immoral."

    Do you routinely accuse people of things before making sure of their guilt?

    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    My point is taken Ursus, that is what Gary/Mark had to say about you pal.
    Hit it on the head too.
    Danny
    His comment was on Eliscu2's response to my troll, specifically, he said, "Nice way of expressing herself," in response to her telling my troll to "FUCK OFF!" Kindly read more carefully.

    Personally, I see this whole exchange as a supreme compliment. My faith in humanity has been not only restored, but it has been elevated to heights heretofore unknown!

    My working premise that involvement with cults stultifies critical thinking skills has also been confirmed. Oh blessed day!

      :cheers:
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    No he wasn't he was specifically talking to you my friend however you want to spin this. You gutless fool.....Your "troll" is him to dumbass you were being played.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 03:47:33 PM
    Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Just in case you forgot your wonderful relationship with Mark/Gary, "Ursus"
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:

    Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

    Postby mark babitz » 17 Jan 2010, 20:27

        Ursus wrote:

            mark babitz wrote:this forum was split to keep Felice away and stop her from crying


        Source for your assertion?

        From the Fornits' FAQ:

              Terms of use
              This forum is offered to absolutely anyone with any kind of interest in the troubled parent inustry, cults, thought reform or any tangentally related topic. It is a resource to facilitate open, unmediated discussion relating to the topics designated by individual forum moderators and to promote coordination and networking efforts relating to them...

    Mark Babitz
    ::OMG:: What exactly are you trying to say, spit it out I dont need directions you do.and some reading lessons. Nothing was said until Felice started up and I am sure she will wonder over here why who knows.My post and Gary's were all Elan directed, go back and read, and then she came along with Elan people dont have time for this.go back and read.I still gather and post I have my direction and will run over anything that gets in the way. So WHY would anyone find need to bother me or try and insult what I am doing,I once again ask drop the Felice crusade and get on to Elan but you guys wont and thats what makes the game fun. ::unhappy:: ::unhappy::
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Danny


    QUOTE FEATURE DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    No Thank You....
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 16, 2010, 03:49:17 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
    QUOTE FEATURE DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    No Thank You....
    Danny

    So you want your posts to be unreadable?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Banny Dennison on March 16, 2010, 03:51:45 PM
    Somebody from the Facebook thing sent me a picture of a person purported to be Bennison.  Would it be against any of the forum rules or policies for me to post it here?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: SEKTO on March 16, 2010, 04:21:09 PM
    edited
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 04:30:27 PM
    Quote from: "Banny Dennison"
    Somebody from the Facebook thing sent me a picture of a person purported to be Bennison.  Would it be against any of the forum rules or policies for me to post it here?
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Hell no I give you permission to post any picture of me or purported to be me anytime your heart desires. Lets start a collage of me and not me. Shit this is just getting better and better all the time.
    Danny
    P.S. Glad to see you back Mark!!!!!!
    Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Post by: Joel on March 16, 2010, 04:41:21 PM
    Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 16, 2010, 04:52:02 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Banny Dennison"
    Somebody from the Facebook thing sent me a picture of a person purported to be Bennison.  Would it be against any of the forum rules or policies for me to post it here?
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Hell no I give you permission to post any picture of me or purported to be me anytime your heart desires. Lets start a collage of me and not me. Shit this is just getting better and better all the time.
    Danny
    P.S. Glad to see you back Mark!!!!!!
    Let me make sure I understand this correctly. Are you saying it IS okay to post your likeness on this forum?
    Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Post by: Joel on March 16, 2010, 05:01:32 PM
    Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 16, 2010, 05:07:55 PM
    The x assistant director methinks  does not know that people can change their opinions about people.

    The x assistant director thinks that this is elan and doesn't realize that I left that hellhole a long time ago.

     Regardless of the fact that it has taken over 25 years to learn to put that hell hole in its proper perspective , and not think about suicide when ever I use to talk about it. elan really tried to make me insane , thank God for the guitar.

    The x assistant director seems to need to be reminded that this is not elan and this is not how polite people go about their business, by verbally assaulting any and everyone in their sight because they don't see how the x assistant director wants them to see.

    Ha- Ha - Ha the x assistant director made a funny  by stating that I am phony.

    The x assistant director needs to realize that I am as real as the lies and general garbage that comes out of his big mouth.

    Thank God the x assistant director has a real live filter standing by in the wings ( girlfriend/boy friend ) because its, filter doesn't work. It is a shame that the stand in filter for it, doen't really function all that well either.

    birds of a feather.  

    Sorry  everyone I am posting late ,I actually have work and had to go do it.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 05:39:30 PM
    Matty be careful I visit your hometowne with about 250 other AA men for a conference every May look it up. I should be seeing you in May. We just may corral you and before you know it you be brainwashed. Oh and If I forgot to tell you that I come to your hometown ( like I forgot to tell you about being a Ex-Ass. Dir.) sorry I was going to surprise you.
    Now I know you don't want to start talking about the mother of your children do you Matt, please leave mine out of this conversation. I mentioned it for reference, she went on to post to Ursus. Not you.
    Matt whenever you want to crawl out of your whoa is me, the Ex Ass Dir is picking on me routine that would be nice. Your 51 now grow up. Remember you said that you worked thru this, well act like it.
    This is Danny now has been since 1978....So nice try so many others were there before you pulling this shit, read it Matt. What are you 15 again. If that is the case then please be serious for the sake of others. Matt you can't spin this on me buddy sorry take your latent anger out on your counselors. I gave you every opportunity to get honest and you never did. Why because Matty did not want to look like he was siding with a Ass.Director in front of all his Elan resident buddies. Boy that would look horrible....Go back Matt to a phone call I had with you asking you why Mark was posting on facebook that I was a driver flunky for Joe. He knew I was a Ass. Director from my post on a site Sharon had. No this is the explanation you wanted to believe in order to hang out with me. Fine I could have accepted that if you had from the beginning just said I have a problem with associating with you because of.
    But you did not you chose a very disrespectful way trash me publically, remember you started this publically I spoke first in private, so don't go running around acting like your innocent.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 16, 2010, 06:55:57 PM
    Okay you  low life  male perineum licker , bennison  ,you have threatened me . I percieve it as a threat . you are going to come up here with 250 men and brain wash me .That is a threat

    Who the fuck do you really think you are .

    Well whore bait let me sell you a ticket come near me and I promise you I will call the POLICE you stupid nuckle draggin redneck.

    I promise you I will cash it , in fact I want everyone to witness this threat , copy and paste it to the RICHMOND police department  web site . I want them to be aware that you and your rogue AA freaks are coming to do me harm .

    You know my wife yes the mother of my children did not go to elan (THANK F>G>) And I don't have her looking over my shoulder at this site . You are a dumb ass redneck who is a liar and now you are threatening violence on my body . Idiot my brain is in my skull .

    I promise you I will cash that ticket you will spend your days in prison (as  you should anyway ) because of the fact that you are aiding and abetting a corporation that has been running a continueing criminal enterprise  for over 36 years.

    You stupid little cretin , don't you ever threaten.you wish you were a delivery driver , you are an x ASSISTANT DIRECTOR  who worked for the most abusive and criminally insane , hellhole in the country .you deserve to rot in prison with your c/s buddy kruglik

    This is NOT elan you stupid little slack jawed fag.  I hope you realize that you have publicly threatend me . You stupid little pile  of calf scour .

    No you lying asnus breathe , you did not tell me that you were an assistant director , you told me that you were a delivery  driver just like  Mike Fink doesn't run a pawn shop. Drink some jism you lying balless wonder.

    Go to hell and the next time you are slathering on large black man's johnson I hope you choke on it.

    come near me and I will call the police , you harm me you are harming my family , you stupid ....I promise you I will cash that ticket

    you think this is some game you think elan was funny  you
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Antigen on March 16, 2010, 07:19:21 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Matty be careful I visit your hometowne with about 250 other AA men for a conference every May look it up. I should be seeing you in May. We just may corral you and before you know it you be brainwashed. Oh and If I forgot to tell you that I come to your hometown ( like I forgot to tell you about being a Ex-Ass. Dir.) sorry I was going to surprise you.
    Now I know you don't want to start talking about the mother of your children do you Matt, please leave mine out of this conversation. I mentioned it for reference, she went on to post to Ursus. Not you.
    Matt whenever you want to crawl out of your whoa is me, the Ex Ass Dir is picking on me routine that would be nice. Your 51 now grow up. Remember you said that you worked thru this, well act like it.
    This is Danny now has been since 1978....So nice try so many others were there before you pulling this shit, read it Matt. What are you 15 again. If that is the case then please be serious for the sake of others. Matt you can't spin this on me buddy sorry take your latent anger out on your counselors. I gave you every opportunity to get honest and you never did. Why because Matty did not want to look like he was siding with a Ass.Director in front of all his Elan resident buddies. Boy that would look horrible....Go back Matt to a phone call I had with you asking you why Mark was posting on facebook that I was a driver flunky for Joe. He knew I was a Ass. Director from my post on a site Sharon had. No this is the explanation you wanted to believe in order to hang out with me. Fine I could have accepted that if you had from the beginning just said I have a problem with associating with you because of.
    But you did not you chose a very disrespectful way trash me publically, remember you started this publically I spoke first in private, so don't go running around acting like your innocent.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 07:22:15 PM
    Edited, reposted down below
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 07:35:45 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Okay you  low life  male perineum licker , bennison  ,you have threatened me . I percieve it as a threat . you are going to come up here with 250 men and brain wash me .That is a threat

    Who the fuck do you really think you are .

    Well whore bait let me sell you a ticket come near me and I promise you I will call the POLICE you stupid nuckle draggin redneck.

    I promise you I will cash it , in fact I want everyone to witness this threat , copy and paste it to the RICHMOND police department  web site . I want them to be aware that you and your rogue AA freaks are coming to do me harm .

    You know my wife yes the mother of my children did not go to elan (THANK F>G>) And I don't have her looking over my shoulder at this site . You are a dumb ass redneck who is a liar and now you are threatening violence on my body . Idiot my brain is in my skull .

    I promise you I will cash that ticket you will spend your days in prison (as  you should anyway ) because of the fact that you are aiding and abetting a corporation that has been running a continueing criminal enterprise  for over 36 years.

    You stupid little cretin , don't you ever threaten.you wish you were a delivery driver , you are an x ASSISTANT DIRECTOR  who worked for the most abusive and criminally insane , hellhole in the country .you deserve to rot in prison with your c/s buddy kruglik

    This is NOT elan you stupid little slack jawed fag.  I hope you realize that you have publicly threatend me . You stupid little pile  of calf scour .

    No you lying asnus breathe , you did not tell me that you were an assistant director , you told me that you were a delivery  driver just like  Mike Fink doesn't run a pawn shop. Drink some jism you lying balless wonder.

    Go to hell and the next time you are slathering on large black man's johnson I hope you choke on it.

    come near me and I will call the police , you harm me you are harming my family , you stupid ....I promise you I will cash that ticket

    you think this is some game you think elan was funny  you
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
     
    Matt that was not a threat look up on your internet AA has a conference in your hometown in May every year.If it is not available I'll make it available to prove my point. I was going to tell you this before we started fighting but I never got the chance. About 250 men will be there and Matt all of us could give a shit about you. Well I did mentioned that we could possibly get together in May if you want to concede that point. Of course this is when you still liked me. I was referring to this trip I take I just didn't mention AA was involved.
    Gosh you really are a pompous ass, Matt I could care one way or the other whether you like me or not but please accept my apologies if you felt threaten. Because I have enough to do with my life then go to Richmond to look up you. Not my cup of tea pal physical violence.
    I went back and read the post I can concede I guess that you could get that out of that sentence but please not going to happen. Your right I don't have time to spend in jail over this crap or anything else.
    No Matt I don't think Elan Is funny at all sometimes though I think you are a little different when your not getting your way.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 16, 2010, 07:47:27 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Okay you  low life  male perineum licker , bennison  ,you have threatened me . I percieve it as a threat . you are going to come up here with 250 men and brain wash me .That is a threat

    Who the fuck do you really think you are .

    Well whore bait let me sell you a ticket come near me and I promise you I will call the POLICE you stupid nuckle draggin redneck.

    I promise you I will cash it , in fact I want everyone to witness this threat , copy and paste it to the RICHMOND police department  web site . I want them to be aware that you and your rogue AA freaks are coming to do me harm .

    You know my wife yes the mother of my children did not go to elan (THANK F>G>) And I don't have her looking over my shoulder at this site . You are a dumb ass redneck who is a liar and now you are threatening violence on my body . Idiot my brain is in my skull .

    I promise you I will cash that ticket you will spend your days in prison (as  you should anyway ) because of the fact that you are aiding and abetting a corporation that has been running a continueing criminal enterprise  for over 36 years.

    You stupid little cretin , don't you ever threaten.you wish you were a delivery driver , you are an x ASSISTANT DIRECTOR  who worked for the most abusive and criminally insane , hellhole in the country .you deserve to rot in prison with your c/s buddy kruglik

    This is NOT elan you stupid little slack jawed fag.  I hope you realize that you have publicly threatend me . You stupid little pile  of calf scour .

    No you lying asnus breathe , you did not tell me that you were an assistant director , you told me that you were a delivery  driver just like  Mike Fink doesn't run a pawn shop. Drink some jism you lying balless wonder.

    Go to hell and the next time you are slathering on large black man's johnson I hope you choke on it.

    come near me and I will call the police , you harm me you are harming my family , you stupid ....I promise you I will cash that ticket

    you think this is some game you think elan was funny  you
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
     
    Matt that was not a threat look up on your internet AA has a conference in your hometown in May every year.If it is not available I'll make it available to prove my point. I was going to tell you this before we started fighting but I never got the chance. About 250 men will be there and Matt all of us could give a shit about you. Well I did mentioned that we could possibly get together in May if you want to concede that point. Of course this is when you still liked me. I was referring to this trip I take I just didn't mention AA was involved.
    Gosh you really are a pompous ass, Matt I could care one way or the other whether you like me or not but please accept my apologies if you felt threaten. Because I have enough to do with my life then go to Richmond to look up you. Not my cup of tea pal physical violence.
    I went back and read the post I can concede I guess that you could get that out of that sentence but please not going to happen. Your right I don't have time to spend in jail over this crap or anything else.
    No Matt I don't think Elan Is funny at all sometimes though I think you are a little different when your not getting your way.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Antigen on March 17, 2010, 12:47:49 AM
    Danny, that was a threat. In literal terms, ya know to the eye of someone who hadn't lived things like a cowboy ass whoopin or tight house it probably doesn't look like a credible threat at all. Why, one might have a hard as hell time getting a cop or judge or even one's own well paid private attorney to really understand what was so upsetting about that. I mean, it's absurd, right? The sheer logistics involved, never mind the social engineering that would be required to get 250 Stepcraft devout to leave their seminar to go fuck with someone they don't even know.

    But let me tell ya something, brother! I read it again pretending that John Underwood or Wanda Minton or Miller Newton or Lybbi MacDonald had written it to me. Even though none of those people currently have the practical ability to fuck with me like that anymore, the memory of it leaves a primal, irrational terror that never really completely goes away. Trouble for you is that the vast majority of your audience here is... different from the rest of the world; both inside and outside of those closed circles. See, most people don't know fuck all about how this shit works. Them that do, well normally they only gather and commune among the devout, having little (if any) contact one with another outside of those closed groups.

    Here? It's a whole nother color of a hourse here. Here we have people who are not among the devout but who do have varied and vast experience with those closed communities. Enough, I think, to call you on your shit without much thought. See, your rhythm of thought has a pungent and familiar smell. You should expose yourself to more fresh air and sunshine and try and defunkify your thinking. That's my opinion, anyway.

    And for you to come back with something as fucking simple as suggesting out loud to the room that there ever was any threat to begin with and, why, how silly of anyone to have taken it that way? Buddy, if you're not doing your level best to pull every trigger and push every button in your perceived enemies, well then I may well be outmatched!

    Good day!























    Good DAY!!

























    I said "GOOD DAY!!!"
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 17, 2010, 01:12:12 AM
    Hey Matt, if some of the fuckers trespass onto your property, plug a few of them. I suggest .45 caliber.
    Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Post by: Joel on March 17, 2010, 04:58:31 AM
    Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 17, 2010, 11:01:49 AM
    :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 17, 2010, 11:04:41 AM
    ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 17, 2010, 11:15:54 AM
    :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 17, 2010, 11:27:42 AM
    Quote from: "Antigen"
    Danny, that was a threat. In literal terms, ya know to the eye of someone who hadn't lived things like a cowboy ass whoopin or tight house it probably doesn't look like a credible threat at all. Why, one might have a hard as hell time getting a cop or judge or even one's own well paid private attorney to really understand what was so upsetting about that. I mean, it's absurd, right? The sheer logistics involved, never mind the social engineering that would be required to get 250 Stepcraft devout to leave their seminar to go fuck with someone they don't even know.

    But let me tell ya something, brother! I read it again pretending that John Underwood or Wanda Minton or Miller Newton or Lybbi MacDonald had written it to me. Even though none of those people currently have the practical ability to fuck with me like that anymore, the memory of it leaves a primal, irrational terror that never really completely goes away. Trouble for you is that the vast majority of your audience here is... different from the rest of the world; both inside and outside of those closed circles. See, most people don't know fuck all about how this shit works. Them that do, well normally they only gather and commune among the devout, having little (if any) contact one with another outside of those closed groups.

    Here? It's a whole nother color of a hourse here. Here we have people who are not among the devout but who do have varied and vast experience with those closed communities. Enough, I think, to call you on your shit without much thought. See, your rhythm of thought has a pungent and familiar smell. You should expose yourself to more fresh air and sunshine and try and defunkify your thinking. That's my opinion, anyway.

    And for you to come back with something as fucking simple as suggesting out loud to the room that there ever was any threat to begin with and, why, how silly of anyone to have taken it that way? Buddy, if you're not doing your level best to pull every trigger and push every button in your perceived enemies, well then I may well be outmatched!

    Good day!























    Good DAY!!
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Now once I get through all that psycho babble you just threw up there and I realize you are projecting all your trauma you went through then I could get to the heart of the matter. Your problem with me any one else that does not agree with you is "WE ARE PERCEIVED AS THE ENEMY."  Just ask Whooter or any one resembling him. This is not coming from someone who feels persecuted, I don't really. I feel vindicated actually or validated whatever you choose.
    I don't agree with your take Ginger never have, you do make some great points.
    Every one here on this site belongs here whether or not buttons are being pushed. I wonder if you ever considered that just your posting is enough to push someones button.
    So I am not going to get into the great debate if Danny meant or not to threaten Matt. If I did it was without intent. If yourself and others can not accept this fine have it your way. I even went so far as to say "yes it looked to be a veiled threat" when I went back and read it again. I should have separated the paragraphs futher apart or whatever. But aye whats is done is done. Lets move on "drama queen". I'm sure Matt understands.
    Danny  

























    I said "GOOD DAY!!!"
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 17, 2010, 11:28:56 AM
    Edited dbl....post
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 17, 2010, 11:36:44 AM
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    Hey Matt, if some of the fuckers trespass onto your property, plug a few of them. I suggest .45 caliber.
    First "Che" you would have to find your balls and I think you gave them away to the madame a long time ago. Stick to humping Panda's fat boy.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 17, 2010, 11:43:24 AM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Matty be careful I visit your hometowne with about 250 other AA men for a conference every May look it up. I should be seeing you in May. We just may corral you and before you know it you be brainwashed. Oh and If I forgot to tell you that I come to your hometown ( like I forgot to tell you about being a Ex-Ass. Dir.) sorry I was going to surprise you.
    Now I know you don't want to start talking about the mother of your children do you Matt, please leave mine out of this conversation. I mentioned it for reference, she went on to post to Ursus. Not you.
    Matt whenever you want to crawl out of your whoa is me, the Ex Ass Dir is picking on me routine that would be nice. Your 51 now grow up. Remember you said that you worked thru this, well act like it.
    This is Danny now has been since 1978....So nice try so many others were there before you pulling this shit, read it Matt. What are you 15 again. If that is the case then please be serious for the sake of others. Matt you can't spin this on me buddy sorry take your latent anger out on your counselors. I gave you every opportunity to get honest and you never did. Why because Matty did not want to look like he was siding with a Ass.Director in front of all his Elan resident buddies. Boy that would look horrible....Go back Matt to a phone call I had with you asking you why Mark was posting on facebook that I was a driver flunky for Joe. He knew I was a Ass. Director from my post on a site Sharon had. No this is the explanation you wanted to believe in order to hang out with me. Fine I could have accepted that if you had from the beginning just said I have a problem with associating with you because of.
    But you did not you chose a very disrespectful way trash me publically, remember you started this publically I spoke first in private, so don't go running around acting like your innocent.
    Danny



     :jawdrop:


    HOLY FUCKING HELL!!
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Froderik on March 17, 2010, 01:43:35 PM
    What's going on here? Is someone making threats? Make use of the bold feature and it would be easier for someone who is just checking in to see what is being referred to (I skimmed that last post and lost patience reading through what seemed to me like so much meaningless drivel, which is likely due to my hitherto  lack of interest in and indifference toward the whole damn thing. But someone please tell me what the hell is going on exactly. It seems this Danny B person has been raising quite a bit of a stink around here lately and I'd like to know what the hell is so important about all of it...lol.)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 17, 2010, 02:30:41 PM
    Quote from: "Froderik"
    What's going on here? Is someone making threats? Make use of the bold feature and it would be easier for someone who is just checking in to see what is being referred to (I skimmed that last post and lost patience reading through what seemed to me like so much meaningless drivel, which is likely due to my hitherto  lack of interest in and indifference toward the whole damn thing. But someone please tell me what the hell is going on exactly. It seems this Danny B person has been raising quite a bit of a stink around here lately and I'd like to know what the hell is so important about all of it...lol.)

    Ginger's reply to Danny's post probably explains it best.



    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Matty be careful I visit your hometowne with about 250 other AA men for a conference every May look it up. I should be seeing you in May. We just may corral you and before you know it you be brainwashed. Oh and If I forgot to tell you that I come to your hometown ( like I forgot to tell you about being a Ex-Ass. Dir.) sorry I was going to surprise you.
    Now I know you don't want to start talking about the mother of your children do you Matt, please leave mine out of this conversation. I mentioned it for reference, she went on to post to Ursus. Not you.
    Matt whenever you want to crawl out of your whoa is me, the Ex Ass Dir is picking on me routine that would be nice. Your 51 now grow up. Remember you said that you worked thru this, well act like it.
    This is Danny now has been since 1978....So nice try so many others were there before you pulling this shit, read it Matt. What are you 15 again. If that is the case then please be serious for the sake of others. Matt you can't spin this on me buddy sorry take your latent anger out on your counselors. I gave you every opportunity to get honest and you never did. Why because Matty did not want to look like he was siding with a Ass.Director in front of all his Elan resident buddies. Boy that would look horrible....Go back Matt to a phone call I had with you asking you why Mark was posting on facebook that I was a driver flunky for Joe. He knew I was a Ass. Director from my post on a site Sharon had. No this is the explanation you wanted to believe in order to hang out with me. Fine I could have accepted that if you had from the beginning just said I have a problem with associating with you because of.
    But you did not you chose a very disrespectful way trash me publically, remember you started this publically I spoke first in private, so don't go running around acting like your innocent.
    Danny



    Quote from: "Antigen"
    Danny, that was a threat. In literal terms, ya know to the eye of someone who hadn't lived things like a cowboy ass whoopin or tight house it probably doesn't look like a credible threat at all. Why, one might have a hard as hell time getting a cop or judge or even one's own well paid private attorney to really understand what was so upsetting about that. I mean, it's absurd, right? The sheer logistics involved, never mind the social engineering that would be required to get 250 Stepcraft devout to leave their seminar to go fuck with someone they don't even know.

    But let me tell ya something, brother! I read it again pretending that John Underwood or Wanda Minton or Miller Newton or Lybbi MacDonald had written it to me. Even though none of those people currently have the practical ability to fuck with me like that anymore, the memory of it leaves a primal, irrational terror that never really completely goes away. Trouble for you is that the vast majority of your audience here is... different from the rest of the world; both inside and outside of those closed circles. See, most people don't know fuck all about how this shit works. Them that do, well normally they only gather and commune among the devout, having little (if any) contact one with another outside of those closed groups.

    Here? It's a whole nother color of a hourse here. Here we have people who are not among the devout but who do have varied and vast experience with those closed communities. Enough, I think, to call you on your shit without much thought. See, your rhythm of thought has a pungent and familiar smell. You should expose yourself to more fresh air and sunshine and try and defunkify your thinking. That's my opinion, anyway.

    And for you to come back with something as fucking simple as suggesting out loud to the room that there ever was any threat to begin with and, why, how silly of anyone to have taken it that way? Buddy, if you're not doing your level best to pull every trigger and push every button in your perceived enemies, well then I may well be outmatched!

    Good day!
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Banny Dennison on March 17, 2010, 03:21:56 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Banny Dennison"
    Somebody from the Facebook thing sent me a picture of a person purported to be Bennison.  Would it be against any of the forum rules or policies for me to post it here?
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Hell no I give you permission to post any picture of me or purported to be me anytime your heart desires. Lets start a collage of me and not me. Shit this is just getting better and better all the time.
    Danny
    P.S. Glad to see you back Mark!!!!!!
    Let me make sure I understand this correctly. Are you saying it IS okay to post your likeness on this forum?

    Here is the image in question:

    http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v228/419/30 ... 7_7043.jpg (http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v228/419/30/n100000225341957_7043.jpg)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 18, 2010, 11:46:13 AM
    :rocker:  :rocker:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :rasta:  :rasta:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 18, 2010, 11:56:09 AM
    viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30079 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30079)   Great reading about Ex-Staffers in rare form like our friends at Elan.Another Marty and Jeff show. these two are criminals too, and prance around and condemn others, Ridicule Danny and others from Elan.Be them to call the kettle black those Sick Fucks,Read about them and form your own opinion. I tried being nice to them and they are true ass-holes, I have been laying low and on my target,but guys like them just spark my aggressions, That is why the Troll rule book is so important.I now enjoy the aspects of yelling and screaming and shitting all over them, knowing they will come back. Having a Troll is the most fun, as all can see. I like it so much I have two, Please save the Trolls. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Carl Twiddlerbum on March 18, 2010, 02:03:34 PM
    What exactly is an ASS DIRECTOR Danny?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Carl Twiddlerbum on March 18, 2010, 02:04:27 PM
    What exactly is an ASS DIRECTOR Danny?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 18, 2010, 02:07:54 PM
    Quote from: "Carl Twiddlerbum"
    What exactly is an ASS DIRECTOR Danny?

     :rofl:  :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Banny Dennison on March 18, 2010, 02:15:31 PM
    After all this this action in the last couple days, I'll betcha, Danny has been sitting for hours rocking back and forth, his index finger between his lips, finger moving up and down, repeating "b,b,b,b,b,b"....
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 18, 2010, 05:32:44 PM
    :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 18, 2010, 06:41:24 PM
    :jamin:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta: I can be very funny too, I am not always the ass-hole I come off as.I just stand my ground, So please be nice to the Trolls, I needed them desperately today, woke up stressed out no one home I wont yell at the dog shes my best friend.didnt want to call my Girlfriend at work, so I found a Troll,  2 of them and just had my way with them yelled , spit on them, kicked, punched and peed on  them, and I felt so much better, like after a primal group, drained relaxed tired, just great.And as I have said, and they will prove it,  they will always come back if treated and fed properly as displayed today on this forum. So to all please be kind to the Trolls. From time to time we all need one to shit on, thank You from myself and all Troll being abused right now thanks . ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: try another castle on March 18, 2010, 10:25:55 PM
    It's great to see that it's finally Elan's turn to flood the boards with tiresome, vapid, chest-beating. You guys were relegated to your own little hovel of a sub-forum for so long, it must feel nice to finally get some daylight and strut your stuff. After all, everyone is entitled to a big fat bite of the invisible sandwich that is internet attention.

    Great Job!

     ::puke::  :shamrock: :tup:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 18, 2010, 10:38:51 PM
    They don't have a choice.. Acting like they normally do down in their sub-hovel will get it deleted. Apparently they kids needed someone to watch them at play so they got a couple outsiders to spank them.  Not to mention they've gotten practically every single one of their other websites deleted due to these sorts of hijinks.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 18, 2010, 11:59:07 PM
    Quote from: "try another castle"
    It's great to see that it's finally Elan's turn to flood the boards with tiresome, vapid, chest-beating. You guys were relegated to your own little hovel of a sub-forum for so long, it must feel nice to finally get some daylight and strut your stuff. After all, everyone is entitled to a big fat bite of the invisible sandwich that is internet attention.

    Great Job!

     ::puke::  :shamrock: :tup:
    :cheers:  :cheers: Thank for your kind words and thoughts, it has been a little crowded in that little thread ,and yes the daylight is nice.As you can see we are great Troll hunters and providers.I had the luxury of taking two Trolls out to day and it was great, I humiliated and scorned them severely. kicked them and even spit on them. I was having so much fun playing with my Trolls i was asked to stop publicly by my own group from Ealn before I wore the Trolls out or caused them to commit suicide or something.I humbly bowed to their request publicly as you have read, but I also cautioned that due to my extensive research and hunting for and knowledge of caring for Trolls , that they would just come back anyway. Well if you just look up from this post there they sit waiting for me to take them out and pee on them or something.Notice the baiting technique they use, Elan people were spanked and things like that, Ha Ha. According to all published reports here and otherwise by their own defenders, They had to suck intensive ass and appologies for thier crimes against kids and resident at the many centers they worked, I did not make this up I am using their words and stories. Thats why it is so impotent to pay attention to what you say or post. Somebody is always recording things,and knows how to send them back. I am having fights with ex-staff on a site for trouble teens and survivors of places like they ran. Know how much scene does that make.?? Someone said the forum was set for trouble teens not a safe haven for survivors. I hope they dont reprint that one, and delete the post, membership could drop by 75% on a insult like that.I see allot of people out here well past their teens.And to post while defending some ex-staffer is kind of weired, But this is the internet, I was hit on by two gay guys today on this site asking for sex, and they have never even seen me ,now thats even weirder.But they are Trolls and abusers so it kind of go hand and hand.Again thank you for your kind words and please help the Trolls they were people at one time too.So was elephant man. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:PS The Elan sites got nailed by the same person that got this site. Those Seymour make terrible investigators, but great Trolls, Hey stupid call up your friends who are defending you and suggest that stories not true, you fuckin abuser. Seymour even started his own page on facebook when this site took its hit, and he blames Elan people, what an ass.And then the guy who did it Trolled in the site once it was back up and started up with Ginger and Mike and anyone else that would listen. no one did and he was deleted and Trolls under cover now, The best part is we all know the IP address and just watch him run around now and make an ass out of himself. Privately and publicly Elan people stood right by Ginger and them, and beat the one whom we dont speak of. And when he returned turned the tables on him. So get your facts straight Seymour,Once again you were dragged threw the mud. Dont make it sound like you beat your past, that can never happen. I dont care if you have a change of heart, and want to help now. Measure the damage you caused others and you will always be behind,I was told that and said fine, but you just dont know when to shut up. Its your curse , you think your still in charge at some institution, well wake up your just some ass-hole walking the street that cant live with their past. I have done allot of good and bad in my life and I am not sorry for any of it.The only one I ever hurt was myself.As far as my days in collections, I was dealing with bad people doing bad things, The playing field was always level,I never bullied or victimized anyone in my life, can the Seymours say the same, No, not according to them or their press articles and empty apologizes. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 19, 2010, 12:40:54 AM
    Quote from: "Eliscu2"
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    They don't have a choice.. Acting like they normally do down in their sub-hovel will get it deleted. Apparently they kids needed someone to watch them at play so they got a couple outsiders to spank them.  Not to mention they've gotten practically every single one of their other websites deleted due to these sorts of hijinks.

    Yep! The Elan Forum is under Daytopian rule now! ::evil::
    Be careful what you ask for.............
    Weren't you the one who suggested they were alright, and Seymour was so helpful, He just shit in your Face Felice,and the rest of ours.as far as Day Top folks well a couple dont make them all bad, After all our Great leader Joe Ricci came from Day Top so that kind of gives some background to the thinking.You tried to be nice and that is cool your a good person that way. You run to the perceived weak and help. But this time it was a wolf in sheep's clothing,I did post the words Seymour did,The Elan people got Fornits shut down and our own sites, I dont remember reporting anything did you??? lol.We all had our heated battles but never cried to any type of authority to hurt the site. He whom we dont speak of did all that for us and fornits.But you know all this ,its Seymour whos got it wrong .I told you Felice in the Troll care guild that they always come back and try and beg that attention to play.Open your heart and shit on a Troll, they will love you and follow you every where. Look at me I always have one or two behind me at all times.What a great thing to be able to say, I can relive myself any where any time, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2010, 03:23:57 AM
    http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopi ... =3&t=4#p68 (http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4#p68)

    All the content on this site suddenly vanished. I have a feeling Danny complained to Rich W and Mark Babitz about deleting all the responses.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 19, 2010, 08:38:42 AM
    :cheers: What post were taken off of what site?? :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 19, 2010, 09:00:09 AM
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    I called Joe Ricci Thursday, hoping the owner of Scarborough Downs would offer ... This September, he was arrested in Lewiston on drunken-driving charges
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 19, 2010, 09:15:37 AM
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 19, 2010, 09:41:06 AM
    Quote from: "try another castle"
    It's great to see that it's finally Elan's turn to flood the boards with tiresome, vapid, chest-beating. You guys were relegated to your own little hovel of a sub-forum for so long, it must feel nice to finally get some daylight and strut your stuff. After all, everyone is entitled to a big fat bite of the invisible sandwich that is internet attention.

    Great Job!

     ::puke::  :shamrock: :tup:
    :notworthy:  :notworthy: Remember this is the Elan page if you didnt see the sign on the door . We will flood and fight with whom we want, Nobody forces anyone to come over here remember that. No body makes you watch the news or read the tabloids, These are things we elect to do. Trespassers can ether be welcome or shot. Said it in the door unless the sign blew off. And if it did well thats the facts. We fight, hug and attack over here , no the area is not for the weak or timid and or pussies. And folks should know that by now, that if some one brings their paper ass to the room it will get shredded . We have a cause and do well at fighting it in-spite of the distractions . Actually the distraction are fun and necessary,What we are not able to say directly to the ones we fight, we can vent on yes those Trolls marching by,Again the many advantages to keeping  a Troll healthy and ready, After all we view anyone against us as the enemy, so Trolls are good things to have around. The cause a shelter to our work,They make great messengers and gofers, And aways take the spot light, so while I am pissing and shiting on my Troll, others are working on the initial plane of closing Elan.We take turns running interference with the Trolls . that what makes it fun for us and the Troll. They never know whos going to light their ass on fire,Like walking into a tough bar not knowing who going to fuck with you first .A Troll has his last choice, and thats fuck or run. most well maintained Trolls will stay and try to fight.But if you encounter a sick or weak Troll they will run and beg for help.Please be careful for Trolls crossing the world wide web, they dont see very well  or think real quick and are venerable to attack and ridicule. So its best to slow down and feed them, there are no points for hitting a Troll, Staff now then you go to the bonus round with automatic prizes.Thank you and save the Trolls :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 19, 2010, 09:57:39 AM
    :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30079 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30079) The joys of a Troll when properly handled. Look at all the fun they kick scream and cry, and always deny everything.  :peace:  :peace:  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 19, 2010, 10:18:46 AM
    :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :blabla:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Froderik on March 19, 2010, 10:25:33 AM
    Elan was a place of hope and healing, a place where kids lacking direction in their lives could find help.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 19, 2010, 10:27:53 AM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Matty be careful I visit your hometowne with about 250 other AA men for a conference every May look it up. I should be seeing you in May. We just may corral you and before you know it you be brainwashed. Oh and If I forgot to tell you that I come to your hometown ( like I forgot to tell you about being a Ex-Ass. Dir.) sorry I was going to surprise you.
    Now I know you don't want to start talking about the mother of your children do you Matt, please leave mine out of this conversation. I mentioned it for reference, she went on to post to Ursus. Not you.
    Matt whenever you want to crawl out of your whoa is me, the Ex Ass Dir is picking on me routine that would be nice. Your 51 now grow up. Remember you said that you worked thru this, well act like it.
    This is Danny now has been since 1978....So nice try so many others were there before you pulling this shit, read it Matt. What are you 15 again. If that is the case then please be serious for the sake of others. Matt you can't spin this on me buddy sorry take your latent anger out on your counselors. I gave you every opportunity to get honest and you never did. Why because Matty did not want to look like he was siding with a Ass.Director in front of all his Elan resident buddies. Boy that would look horrible....Go back Matt to a phone call I had with you asking you why Mark was posting on facebook that I was a driver flunky for Joe. He knew I was a Ass. Director from my post on a site Sharon had. No this is the explanation you wanted to believe in order to hang out with me. Fine I could have accepted that if you had from the beginning just said I have a problem with associating with you because of.
    But you did not you chose a very disrespectful way trash me publically, remember you started this publically I spoke first in private, so don't go running around acting like your innocent.
    Danny

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/0 ... protected/ (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/cyberbullying-not-protected/)

    A California appeals court ruled this week that threatening posts made by readers of a website are not protected free speech, allowing a case charging the posters with hate crimes and defamation to proceed.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Froderik on March 19, 2010, 10:30:38 AM
    Good, now maybe this DB person can get a life and stop with the threats.

    Man, this forum has been in the shitter lately, lol.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 19, 2010, 10:36:28 AM
    Quote from: "Froderik"
    Elan was a place of hope and healing, a place where kids lacking direction in their lives could find help.


    Hell yuuaaeehh          and my name is , and my name is ,   and my name is  Arnold Feltcher .

    Frodo you be speaking some hillylarriious stuff .


    thank you .




    Anne that is some serious stuff.  thank you also.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2010, 10:37:03 AM
    The Elan fag still at it?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Froderik on March 19, 2010, 10:47:27 AM
    Yeah but I think today is the day that he's goin' down... this is it.

    The bullshit stops TODAY.  :shamrock:  :poison:  :nods:  :roflmao:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2010, 10:47:53 AM
    Quote from: "Eliscu2"
    Quote from: "gae saeki"
    http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4#p68

    All the content on this site suddenly vanished. I have a feeling Danny complained to Rich W and Mark Babitz about deleting all the responses.

     Looky here: http://http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewforum.php?f=3

    http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopi ... 6420#p6420 (http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13&p=6420#p6420)


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    Elan from 75-78

    Postby RI Mike on Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:12 pm
    Hi I was at Elan durring those dates. Seems like a lifetime ago. Now I'm 50 and a Grandfather. They told me I'd never live past 16... Proved 'em all wrong.

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    Re: Elan from 75-78

    Postby jbusyb6 on Mon May 18, 2009 9:52 pm
    hi mike r.i. i was also there 74-75 and i am also in r,i. curious who you are.

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    Re: Elan from 75-78

    Postby dannyb50 on Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:39 pm
    Hey my name is Daniel Bennison I was there from this time and in a house w/ Mike from R.I. Elan 5. Mike nice to know your still alive. Our Director was Marty and you were transferred to Elan 6. We played some great games of football against one another. Champanionship Game Elan 5 vs Elan 6. Couldn't get a bigger game than that in southern Maine. I here you got clean, you said it. Mike stay connected with N.A. I have 21 yrs. in A.A. It does work if you work it. Stay in touch Danny

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    Re: Elan from 75-78

    Postby dannyb50 on Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:24 am
    :lol: Mike O'neil got in touch w/ me on this board or 404-936-6141. Danny Bennison.
    Last edited by dannyb50 on Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:40 pm, edited 3 times in total.

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    Re: Elan from 75-78

    Postby dannyb50 on Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:34 am
    :lol: Mikey com'on dude, big Mike...I kno you remember Tricia McCarty. Now you will remember me.
    Danny Bennison Elan 5.

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    Re: Elan from 75-78

    Postby harry cox on Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:58 am

    My name Hey my name is Daniel Bennison I was there from this time and in a house w/ Mike from R.I. Elan 5. Mike nice to know your still alive. Our Director was Marty and you were transferred to Elan 6. Marty was abusive like Rich W and I feel guilty about not reporting abuse to the police.

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    Re: Elan from 75-78

    Postby harry cox on Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:13 am

    My name Hey my name is Daniel Bennison I understand that Alice turned out to be a sick young lady as staff.

    harry cox
         
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    Lets see how long it takes Danny to call Rich W or Karen to get the last 2 posts removed.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2010, 10:50:15 AM
    http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark? ... cID=118114 (http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=3963&p=3&topicID=118114)

    Another ELAN social club they do seem to come from all walks of life.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 19, 2010, 11:15:12 AM
    Quote from: "Eliscu2"
    Quote from: "gae saeki"
    http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopi ... =3&t=4#p68 (http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4#p68)

    All the content on this site suddenly vanished. I have a feeling Danny complained to Rich W and Mark Babitz about deleting all the responses.
    Looky here: http://http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewforum.php?f=3
    Aye, but topic #4 (gae saeki's link) has disappeared.

    Here it is from Google's cache (http://http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:zhwoyFxZXegJ:www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D3%26t%3D4+site:elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D3%26t%3D4&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us):

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    Post by Rich on Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:26 am
    Post by RI Mike on Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:14 pm
    Post by L MAZUR on Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:33 am
    Post by Jen on Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:52 am
    Post by davehoffman  on Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:21 pm
    [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])

    hope to hear from you

    dave

    ps i was in E6 with woody starts, fred marsh, gary brandon, jimmy pollococous, wayne brown, mike fitzwater, and staff was john ricci, georgo grote, and ??? (been a long time) not an alice dunn fan.[/list]
    Post by dannyb50  on Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:10 pm
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 08:41:32 AM
    :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :soapbox:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 12:59:05 PM
    :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30100&start=0 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30100&start=0) :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Most people would be offended by this ass-hole but we take it in stride, the Elan group loves Trolls, as far as references to entertainment you bet it is, and thats what keeps things moving., If it was boring no one would pay attention.We all know who the Troll is, and we really dont mind him being here,. He kind of like a sport and fun to play with. Everyone knows he has no credibility but he is fun to watch. After all running around tormenting and insulting Elan people calling us all Fags. That can only be one person I can guess,[He Whom We Dont Speak Of ],He was casted and really doesn't know what to do.He speaks to us like ass-holes and he is the one that got banded from the site under his real name.There is allot of room on this forum why come here and fuck with us.?? Unless you feel you have a score to settle.Why call out Elan people by name and your scared to use yours ?? thats the best question,but I am sure you have a reason why,duh. I find it funny to watch someone who wont disclose their identity openly, run around  spewing bull-shit and opinions, unless they are under the wittiness protection group.I think it great people go on a sites and form opinion start trouble etc,and use a fake name. Thats like hitting someone from behind and thinking your not a coward.Afraid to step up and say who is making the statement,.No body said post your address and phone number ,but your name should be safe,or maybe not ??? . And if not maybe be quiet before some one does find out.Thank You and please save the Trolls. :cheers:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2010, 01:07:55 PM
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 04:56:39 PM
    :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: Yes you are :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 11:02:59 PM
    :soapbox:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 11:08:55 PM
    Mark Babitz http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 38,1530190 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1914&dat=19970711&id=m9wgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=U2sFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1138,1530190) More Joe
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 11:09:35 PM
    Mark Babitz http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl ... d=0CAYQkAE (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:flamboyant&ei=jEulS8WjDoiWtgejj8DOCw&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title&ved=0CAYQkAE) They always refer to Joe this way
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 11:10:10 PM
    Mark Babitz Pay-Per-View - USA TODAY - ProQuest Archiver - Jul 11, 1997
    Maine. Portland -- Scarborough Downs owner Joseph Ricci filed a lawsuit ... that he was unlawfully removed from a hotel lounge and wrongfully arrested Sep
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 11:11:15 PM
    Mark Babitz $2.00 - Portland Press Herald - NewsBank - Oct 14, 1999
    Joseph Ricci complained that his wrists were hurt because the handcuffs were too tight when he was arrested after being removed from a lounge at a Portlan
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Octomommy on March 21, 2010, 05:22:55 AM
    Shouldn't you be peddling your ass on a street corner to support your blow habit?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on March 21, 2010, 10:26:51 AM
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    Quote from: "gae saeki"
    Our low self esteem ELAN troll is back!
    The one we shall not speak of is back.....figures never a day of peace from this asshole
    Oh you can speak of him.  Not sure if Art is indeed back, though.  I don't check.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Octomommy on March 21, 2010, 10:35:18 AM
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    Quote from: "Octomommy"

    Oh wow thanks for the cheer up this morning, and you wanted to have me crying didn't you, awwww sorry sweetie not in a million years are you going to be able to do that...ok i'll be back time to clean more puppy shit off my floor and feed my 8 kids as I walk barefoot across the floor....omfg busting on the ground in total humor....I actually got a visual.....fuck me funny.

    That's not puppy shit, do try to get your business in the toilet next time when you wobble in after along day of selling your vagina for crack cocaine.
     :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 21, 2010, 12:09:34 PM
    Quote from: "psy"
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    Quote from: "gae saeki"
    Our low self esteem ELAN troll is back!
    The one we shall not speak of is back.....figures never a day of peace from this asshole
    Oh you can speak of him.  Not sure if Art is indeed back, though.  I don't check.

    Psy....Stop fibbing, you would know for sure.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 21, 2010, 12:17:25 PM
    Doesn't matter if he would know for sure or not. He wouldn't say either way. And since he won't say I tend to believe him when he says he never bothers to check anymore. Makes sense to those of us capable of reasoning and logic.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 21, 2010, 12:36:08 PM
    Quote from: Che Gookin
    Doesn't matter if he would know for sure or not. He wouldn't say either way. And since he won't say I tend to believe him when he says he never bothers to check anymore. Makes sense to those of us capable of reasoning and logic.[/quote

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Thank you so much, "Ol Reasoning And Logical One". We all know that Psy and Ginger think they have it all figured out and this site could never be shut down by the likes of Art again, step back and gather up your britches, if you have enough money to this site goes back down just as easy. So don't get to cocky.
    My point is I'd want to know who exactly is on my site, especially if they caused mayhem before to the degree he did.
    Last thing is this a "Trademark of Fornits" that no one can ever just mind there own business. I wasn't talking to you.  
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 21, 2010, 12:42:57 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    Doesn't matter if he would know for sure or not. He wouldn't say either way. And since he won't say I tend to believe him when he says he never bothers to check anymore. Makes sense to those of us capable of reasoning and logic.
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Thank you so much, "Ol Reasoning And Logical One". We all know that Psy and Ginger think they have it all figured out and this site could never be shut down by the likes of Art again, step back and gather up your britches, if you have enough money to this site goes back down just as easy. So don't get to cocky.
    My point is I'd want to know who exactly is on my site, especially if they caused mayhem before to the degree he did.
    Last thing is this a "Trademark of Fornits" that no one can ever just mind there own business. I wasn't talking to you.
    Danny
    If you wish to exclude anyone from the conversation, I suggest ya take it to private messaging. This is a discussion board and is open to participation from everyone.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on March 21, 2010, 05:20:37 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "psy"
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    Quote from: "gae saeki"
    Our low self esteem ELAN troll is back!
    The one we shall not speak of is back.....figures never a day of peace from this asshole
    Oh you can speak of him.  Not sure if Art is indeed back, though.  I don't check.

    Psy....Stop fibbing, you would know for sure.
    Even if I checked, I couldn't say, even for Art.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on March 21, 2010, 05:22:58 PM
    Quote from: "Eliscu2"
    He even accused me of having a "Jewish Consipiracy" with Art. :roflmao:

    Protocols of the Elders of Fornits
     :roflmao:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 21, 2010, 07:43:00 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    Doesn't matter if he would know for sure or not. He wouldn't say either way. And since he won't say I tend to believe him when he says he never bothers to check anymore. Makes sense to those of us capable of reasoning and logic.
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Thank you so much, "Ol Reasoning And Logical One". We all know that Psy and Ginger think they have it all figured out and this site could never be shut down by the likes of Art again, step back and gather up your britches, if you have enough money to this site goes back down just as easy. So don't get to cocky.
    My point is I'd want to know who exactly is on my site, especially if they caused mayhem before to the degree he did.
    Last thing is this a "Trademark of Fornits" that no one can ever just mind there own business. I wasn't talking to you.
    Danny
    If you wish to exclude anyone from the conversation, I suggest ya take it to private messaging. This is a discussion board and is open to participation from everyone.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Jeesh, I didn't know that Ursus thanks for straightening that out for me...lol.
    Just thought every once in awhile folks could mind there own business, but
    the same individuals just can't, ya just feel we would all go astray if ya didn't
    butt in.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 21, 2010, 07:45:56 PM
    Quote from: "psy"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "psy"
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    Quote from: "gae saeki"
    Our low self esteem ELAN troll is back!
    The one we shall not speak of is back.....figures never a day of peace from this asshole
    Oh you can speak of him.  Not sure if Art is indeed back, though.  I don't check.

    Psy....Stop fibbing, you would know for sure.
    Even if I checked, I couldn't say, even for Art.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    I find that odd but I'll save the rest of this conversation for a PM.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 21, 2010, 07:54:30 PM
    Quote from: "psy"
    Quote from: "Eliscu2"
    He even accused me of having a "Jewish Consipiracy" with Art. :roflmao:

    Protocols of the Elders of Fornits
     :roflmao:
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    @pys
    "LMAO"

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    @ Felice
    Well why else are you tripping all over yourself to help him and then say something to assume your acting differently to your brethren. Felice your a phony. OH thats right your Vlad who rides under any ones flag.
    You seem creditable, because of your friends here, what is sad they only exist here on internet.  
     Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 21, 2010, 08:12:29 PM
    We shouldn't dismiss the involvement of the Illuminati or the Freemasons either.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 21, 2010, 11:27:51 PM
    :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :peace:  ::unhappy::  :peace:  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Jeffery on March 22, 2010, 01:11:19 AM
    uckoff:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Jeffery on March 22, 2010, 01:20:47 AM
    ht:  :fuckoff:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Jeffery on March 22, 2010, 01:28:11 AM
    H
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2010, 05:39:30 AM
    *****
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 22, 2010, 05:46:59 AM
    Bleh, dude your 45 socks you use to troll danny are getting annoying. Pick one and stick with it.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 22, 2010, 05:47:39 AM
    Bleh, dude your 45 socks you use to troll danny are getting annoying. Pick one and stick with it.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Jeffery on March 22, 2010, 10:53:53 AM
    :fuckoff:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Jeffery on March 22, 2010, 10:54:17 AM
    :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 22, 2010, 01:36:04 PM
    :soapbox:  :feedtrolls:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2010, 02:44:52 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    :soapbox:  :feedtrolls:


    I actually appreciate Mark there is some humor in his replies.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 22, 2010, 03:54:01 PM
    :cheers:  :cheers: Well thank you :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 22, 2010, 05:17:41 PM
    http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A ... b73cfa8a79 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.burnjam.com%2Fepk.php%3Fband_id%3D399&h=7d4582e3136f49950b69c1b73cfa8a79)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 22, 2010, 05:18:59 PM
    ark Babitz JOE RICCI HAUNTED BY OWN WORDS
    $2.00 - Portland Press Herald - NewsBank - Sep 27, 1996
    But his attorney, John Campbell, concedes Ricci was drinking before he arrived at the bar. ... and Italian Americans in southern Maine,'' the notice state :jawdrop:  joe
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 22, 2010, 05:20:27 PM
    ::OMG:: JOE RICCI HAUNTED BY OWN WORDS
    $2.00 - Portland Press Herald - NewsBank - Sep 27, 1996
    But his attorney, John Campbell, concedes Ricci was drinking before he arrived at the bar. ... and Italian Americans in southern Maine,'' the notice state joe
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 22, 2010, 05:21:31 PM
    http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A ... b73cfa8a79 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DE8k0AAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DLmsFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D1509%2C3726025%26dq%3Dthomas%2Bricci%2Bjr%2Bmaine%26hl%3Den&h=7d4582e3136f49950b69c1b73cfa8a79)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 22, 2010, 05:24:32 PM
    http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A ... b73cfa8a79 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fnid%3D1914%26dat%3D19970711%26id%3Dm9wgAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DU2sFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D1138%2C1530190&h=7d4582e3136f49950b69c1b73cfa8a79)  Joe Ricci
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Banny Dennison on March 22, 2010, 10:43:44 PM
    Quote from: "Jeffery"
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&ved=0CBQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.efukt.com%2F2344_Amputee_Porn_Gone_Bad.html&ei=RoKnS-C9ApW2NszBqIUD&usg=AFQjCNEnaBLHjTSv-HqLcp1I_G_BG9ycSg

    Danny's mom (who was doing the filming) gave me a copy of this video of her son, and I was shocked when I reviewed it. Check out what Danny does in his spare time. What a freak.

    http://lbn.threat.tv/mrhands.mpg (http://lbn.threat.tv/mrhands.mpg)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Jeffery on March 23, 2010, 05:34:26 PM
    :jawdrop:  ::OMG::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Jeffery on March 23, 2010, 05:44:05 PM
    :birthday:  :birthday: I am sure you just suffer soft tissue injuries. Why did you go back in again ?? i have to find that video.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 25, 2010, 09:04:58 AM
    :cheers:  :cheers:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2010, 09:22:15 AM
    viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30148 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30148)
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 25, 2010, 09:04:24 PM
    :rocker:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rocker:  :peace:  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2010, 09:53:13 PM
    Welcome back master babitz!   :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rasta:   :peace:  :jamin:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 26, 2010, 10:04:34 AM
    Here is my post from yesterday slightly altered but its hard to remove a post once it is registered in the members catch , you forgot,And there is only one way a post can be removed completely of the board  :twofinger: e: AA and TC.s - How It Went So Wrong....????
    Yes, why do you have something stupid say about Jews?? I think all the comedians and nazi took care of all the jokes, but they forgot you.I was raised Jewish and Catholic, in Skokie Ill, and moved to Winnetka just before high school, junior year.I went to Catholic grade school and synagogue on Saturday. Are you going to crack Jew jokes now?.Elan was taking Jews when I got there the biggest contributor was Marvin Swartz,I Joe wrote he didnt like the Blacks they were too hard to control.the Whites or Gentiles were very weak, Jews held up the best due to there history of being toucher they have the stamina to keep going. Oh was that the joke you were looking for[ Mr Norm Crosby]. Like I said ass-hole leave the Jews out of this, I am my own Man, and dont represent the Jewish or other Christian Faiths or other religions.I asked you yesterday do you believe in God,or anything other than bull-shit.?? Like I told you yesterday Jews, Blacks, Gay Folks, Disabled are kind of off limits, Your yelling into a dark whole and truly dont know whats down there. You did yesterday when it was mentioned, [ie] your post completely removed, again only certain people could do that., and for the computer savvy we know.!!.This post has been copied and stored so it can be reposted so no reason to alter this one.Attempting to pick on the Jews, we dont lash out at Gay people, we have seen you and your friend on Face-book, and thats fine, I wont repost it here, all who know have already made the identification and relevance to the post removals and it comes back to that guy.So stay off the religions. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 26, 2010, 01:26:33 PM
    :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rocker:  :rasta:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 26, 2010, 04:27:39 PM
    As a former student Of the Elan school and employee of Joe Ricci at approximatly the same time as Mr skakel,I have taken a great interest in this case. I truly believe the Skakels have far more knowledge of this horrible crime than they claim. The atmosphere at the Elan school is overwhelming pressure at times.It is taught the key to success is ridding yourself of any guilt that may linger in, and 'destroy' you. with that I believe that Mike in fact did admit to this crime during his stay and believed that it would never catch up to him outside of the school walls or for that matter, any other students taking him seriously enough to even recall his admission.(some of which also admited or fabricated tales of murder,rape and other serious crimes) Joe Ricci in my opinion deserves the negative press and the label 'duck in a raincoat' simply because he acted with no class whatsoever during the courts investigations and in my oppinion was flamboyant and used the occasion to flaunt his power his wealth and his status by hiding behind legal barriers and camoflages yet at the same time arrived to hearings in limos, throwing himself into the publics eye via the media. It sickened me to see him do this because I sincerely believe Mr. Ricci has knowledge of skakel admiting to the murder of dear martha,but not in a way that would be significant to him. At Elan school Joe Ricci was very rarely seen and had little contact with the students, every student there was intimidated by Joe's presence and none had a relationship with him well enough to ever bring up something as serious as murder.I do not believe that Mr.Ricci had any direct confesion or discusion with skakel admiting to murder and dont believe Ricci took any one students problems to heart sincerely enough to remember it for more than that day. but I do believe that it could have been braught to his attention after a smaller group sessions and disregarded as many other confessions or problems are. The former student(s) who testified to witnessing Mr. Ricci confront Mr.Skakel about the murder is completly possible and no student would be surprised that Skakel was sent to elan for murder.at that age alot of children are naive and most of us where there as an option to corrections or prison. Mr. Ricci would never have mentioned such a thing in front of anyone other than to make it appear as though it was common knowledge that Skakel had killed someone Mr Ricci would never expose the possibility that a senetors nephew commited murder in front of so many people including other staff members as a new discovery. there are smaller group sessions often run by students who either graduated the program or were close to leaving on merits. during and after these sessions, was a code :nothing goes outside of the group session and there was serious consequences if this code was violated, this code was taken seriously enough to where it was not uncommon at all to hear someone admit to serious crimes, BUT theres always a small group of defiant people that will risk the consequences to share in secrecy what someone else talked about in groups.I did.I'm sure someone present in a group session with Skakel did too,damn sure. A former councilor at Elan was also called to testify and I really have no idea if he did and would be sorry to hear so.Peter McCann in my eyes cannot be taken seriously about anything more than his drinking and/or drug problems at the time of his employment at Elan.I personally take complete responsibility for exposing his actions that lead to his termination from elan in the early eighties. He was always intoxicated (though he carried it well on most occasions)and I often found him hungover or passed out in one of the dorm rooms as I was in a possition of trust to be able to walk freely around the school grounds and buildings. If Mr.McCann in fact did hear a confession,and took the issue to Mr.Ricci I would only guess that the response from Mr.Ricci would have been in principal the confidentiality code,and mr.McCanns drinking problem allowed him to let it go at that. I would bet that he doesnt remember the name of the eager kid that got him fired after pleading with him to help himself so he could help his students and keeping his secret to myself. I have no intensions to discredit the schools ability to help people in desperate need or taint the schools reputation as a possitive experience for its students, it literally saves lives! But I have to say the school is not in a possition to protect a murderer simply based on a weak claim of patient doctor confidentiality, because none of the people who may have heard skakels confesion can call themselves a doctor :cheers:  :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Froderik on March 26, 2010, 05:10:06 PM
    Is it true that there is a ring of dead grass for 500 ft. around Joe Ricci's grave?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 26, 2010, 05:23:02 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    As a former student Of the Elan school and employee of Joe Ricci at approximatly the same time as Mr skakel,I have taken a great interest in this case. I truly believe the Skakels have far more knowledge of this horrible crime than they claim. The atmosphere at the Elan school is overwhelming pressure at times.It is taught the key to success is ridding yourself of any guilt that may linger in, and 'destroy' you. with that I believe that Mike in fact did admit to this crime during his stay and believed that it would never catch up to him outside of the school walls or for that matter, any other students taking him seriously enough to even recall his admission.(some of which also admited or fabricated tales of murder,rape and other serious crimes) Joe Ricci in my opinion deserves the negative press and the label 'duck in a raincoat' simply because he acted with no class whatsoever during the courts investigations and in my oppinion was flamboyant and used the occasion to flaunt his power his wealth and his status by hiding behind legal barriers and camoflages yet at the same time arrived to hearings in limos, throwing himself into the publics eye via the media. It sickened me to see him do this because I sincerely believe Mr. Ricci has knowledge of skakel admiting to the murder of dear martha,but not in a way that would be significant to him. At Elan school Joe Ricci was very rarely seen and had little contact with the students, every student there was intimidated by Joe's presence and none had a relationship with him well enough to ever bring up something as serious as murder.I do not believe that Mr.Ricci had any direct confesion or discusion with skakel admiting to murder and dont believe Ricci took any one students problems to heart sincerely enough to remember it for more than that day. but I do believe that it could have been braught to his attention after a smaller group sessions and disregarded as many other confessions or problems are. The former student(s) who testified to witnessing Mr. Ricci confront Mr.Skakel about the murder is completly possible and no student would be surprised that Skakel was sent to elan for murder.at that age alot of children are naive and most of us where there as an option to corrections or prison. Mr. Ricci would never have mentioned such a thing in front of anyone other than to make it appear as though it was common knowledge that Skakel had killed someone Mr Ricci would never expose the possibility that a senetors nephew commited murder in front of so many people including other staff members as a new discovery. there are smaller group sessions often run by students who either graduated the program or were close to leaving on merits. during and after these sessions, was a code :nothing goes outside of the group session and there was serious consequences if this code was violated, this code was taken seriously enough to where it was not uncommon at all to hear someone admit to serious crimes, BUT theres always a small group of defiant people that will risk the consequences to share in secrecy what someone else talked about in groups.I did.I'm sure someone present in a group session with Skakel did too,damn sure. A former councilor at Elan was also called to testify and I really have no idea if he did and would be sorry to hear so.Peter McCann in my eyes cannot be taken seriously about anything more than his drinking and/or drug problems at the time of his employment at Elan.I personally take complete responsibility for exposing his actions that lead to his termination from elan in the early eighties. He was always intoxicated (though he carried it well on most occasions)and I often found him hungover or passed out in one of the dorm rooms as I was in a possition of trust to be able to walk freely around the school grounds and buildings. If Mr.McCann in fact did hear a confession,and took the issue to Mr.Ricci I would only guess that the response from Mr.Ricci would have been in principal the confidentiality code,and mr.McCanns drinking problem allowed him to let it go at that. I would bet that he doesnt remember the name of the eager kid that got him fired after pleading with him to help himself so he could help his students and keeping his secret to myself. I have no intensions to discredit the schools ability to help people in desperate need or taint the schools reputation as a possitive experience for its students, it literally saves lives! But I have to say the school is not in a possition to protect a murderer simply based on a weak claim of patient doctor confidentiality, because none of the people who may have heard skakels confesion can call themselves a doctor :cheers:  :cheers:
    Mark, is this your writing or someone else's? If the latter, that person should be identified or at least identified as not you. Link would always be a plus as well...   ;)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 26, 2010, 05:52:20 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    As a fr student Of the Elan school and employee of Joe Ricci at approximatly the same time as Mr skakel,I have taken a great interest in this case. I truly believe the Skakels have far more knowledge of this horrible crime than they claim. The atmosphere at the Elan school is overwhelming pressure at times.It is taught the key to success is ridding yourself of any guilt that may linger in, and 'destroy' you. with that I believe that Mike in fact did admit to this crime during his stay and believed that it would never catch up to him outside of the school walls or for that matter, any other students taking him seriously enough to even recall his admission.(some of which also admited or fabricated tales of murder,rape and other serious crimes) Joe Ricci in my opinion deserves the negative press and the label 'duck in a raincoat' simply because he acted with no class whatsoever during the courts investigations and in my oppinion was flamboyant and used the occasion to flaunt his power his wealth and his status by hiding behind legal barriers and camoflages yet at the same time arrived to hearings in limos, throwing himself into the publics eye via the media. It sickened me to see him do this because I sincerely believe Mr. Ricci has knowledge of skakel admiting to the murder of dear martha,but not in a way that would be significant to him. At Elan school Joe Ricci was very rarely seen and had little contact with the students, every student there was intimidated by Joe's presence and none had a relationship with him well enough to ever bring up something as serious as murder.I do not believe that Mr.Ricci had any direct confesion or discusion with skakel admiting to murder and dont believe Ricci took any one students problems to heart sincerely enough to remember it for more than that day. but I do believe that it could have been braught to his attention after a smaller group sessions and disregarded as many other confessions or problems are. The former student(s) who testified to witnessing Mr. Ricci confront Mr.Skakel about the murder is completly possible and no student would be surprised that Skakel was sent to elan for murder.at that age alot of children are naive and most of us where there as an option to corrections or prison. Mr. Ricci would never have mentioned such a thing in front of anyone other than to make it appear as though it was common knowledge that Skakel had killed someone Mr Ricci would never expose the possibility that a senetors nephew commited murder in front of so many people including other staff members as a new discovery. there are smaller group sessions often run by students who either graduated the program or were close to leaving on merits. during and after these sessions, was a code :nothing goes outside of the group session and there was serious consequences if this code was violated, this code was taken seriously enough to where it was not uncommon at all to hear someone admit to serious crimes, BUT theres always a small group of defiant people that will risk the consequences to share in secrecy what someone else talked about in groups.I did.I'm sure someone present in a group session with Skakel did too,damn sure. A former councilor at Elan was also called to testify and I really have no idea if he did and would be sorry to hear so.Peter McCann in my eyes cannot be taken seriously about anything more than his drinking and/or drug problems at the time of his employment at Elan.I personally take complete responsibility for exposing his actions that lead to his termination from elan in the early eighties. He was always intoxicated (though he carried it well on most occasions)and I often found him hungover or passed out in one of the dorm rooms as I was in a possition of trust to be able to walk freely around the school grounds and buildings. If Mr.McCann in fact did hear a confession,and took the issue to Mr.Ricci I would only guess that the response from Mr.Ricci would have been in principal the confidentiality code,and mr.McCanns drinking problem allowed him to let it go at that. I would bet that he doesnt remember the name of the eager kid that got him fired after pleading with him to help himself so he could help his students and keeping his secret to myself. I have no intensions to discredit the schools ability to help people in desperate need or taint the schools reputation as a possitive experience for its students, it literally saves lives! But I have to say the school is not in a possition to protect a murderer simply based on a weak claim of patient doctor confidentiality, because none of the people who may have heard skakels confesion can call themselves a doctor :cheers:  :cheers:
    Mark, is this your writing or someone else's? If the latter, that person should be identified or at least identified as not you. Link would always be a plus as well...   ;)
    orme


     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Who died and made you boss does this look like your forum, nobody needs to do anything but what he did. thank you
    Worry about covering your ass, oh excuse me HYDE.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 26, 2010, 06:21:43 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Worry about covering your ass, oh excuse me HYDE.
    Danny
    Such a clever Danny!  :rofl:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 26, 2010, 06:26:35 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Worry about covering your ass, oh excuse me HYDE.
    Danny
    Such a clever Danny!  :rofl:


     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    I waited for 3 months to post that thanks for the opportunity.
    Read Duck in a Raincoat. Felice should have the download, if not Mark
    or Sharon.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 26, 2010, 06:30:48 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Worry about covering your ass, oh excuse me HYDE.
    Danny
    Such a clever Danny!  :rofl:


     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    I waited for 3 months to post that thanks for the opportunity.


     :roflmao:  :roflmao:

    Oh. my. god.   He really doesn't get it, does he?



    Is this guy really in his 50s?  I'm starting to find that incredibly difficult to believe.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Froderik on March 26, 2010, 06:33:46 PM
    (http://http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UFfSsOfN90g/SY0K9NuxTjI/AAAAAAAADsE/YHqBp2cQC6Q/s320/shithead.jpg)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 26, 2010, 06:40:20 PM
    Quote from: "Froderik"
    (http://http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UFfSsOfN90g/SY0K9NuxTjI/AAAAAAAADsE/YHqBp2cQC6Q/s320/shithead.jpg)

     :rofl:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 27, 2010, 01:26:28 AM
    Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Worry about covering your ass, oh excuse me HYDE.
    Danny
    Such a clever Danny!  :rofl:


     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    I waited for 3 months to post that thanks for the opportunity.


     :roflmao:  :roflmao:

    Oh. my. god.   He really doesn't get it, does he?
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    From a women that has a avatar flashing her genitals, ya I don't get it.....keep it coming Anne.
    Danny



    Is this guy really in his 50s?  I'm starting to find that incredibly difficult to believe.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Inculcated on March 27, 2010, 01:51:56 AM
    Bennison, just give it a rest.
    Enough already.Stop, okay.
    You say you want an end to hostilities.
    If that’s true then let it begin with you.
    You have the power to make that choice.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 27, 2010, 02:33:54 AM
    Quote from: "Inculcated"
    Bennison, just give it a rest.
    Enough already.Stop, okay.
    You say you want an end to hostilities.
    If that’s true then let it begin with you.
    You have the power to make that choice.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:

    No Thank You.....
    You and your friends will either cease and desist further confrontations that you started first, dating back to my first visit on here or my reactions to your attacks will continue.
    You are not laying this at my feet Inculcate, I am not accepting this. Go summon your coven and deal with them.
    My email to you was like a century ago, it is null and void.
    You and your friends hostilities however you cloak them will not be tolerated at all. I know you can not see this because of your perspective about me but at this stage of the battle it does not matter how we got here but that we are here.
    Like I said either acknowledge your part and explain your part or do me a favor and cease talking to me because I am sick of hearing you and your friends hypercritical blah.
    That is the power you have, I hope you make the right decision for you.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 27, 2010, 09:29:57 AM
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    Oh ffs... Anyone have any suggestions for managing Kinderagartners in an ESL setting? I wouldn't say I'm at "My Wits end" or anything, but I am a bit concerned with one of my class's behavior. I'm more tolerant than the Chinese teachers are with them and I'm willing to take the long view that all good things will come with time and patience from these little rascals, but the Chinese teachers are thinking along the lines of sowing terror into their ranks.

    I've had to tell them to chill out a few times already.

    So yeah, anyone have any clues for suggestions for a hyperactive kindergarten class in an ESL setting?

     
     :soapbox: We ll if  your at your wits end as you put it, do what you have always done hear on the web and in your past employments . Bash and ridicule and play some head games.After all seeking employment out of the country and in a place like China that has very little human rights etc, is so appropriate for someone like you.But maybe your too dumb to see that, as you parade around like the changed human.China has always been a country of Rulers and Emperors, AKA Communist, :jawdrop: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_China_a_communist_country (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_China_a_communist_country) :jawdrop: For those of you who are not up on China here is the definition of China on that link.That being said you are working in a communist country with kids, Now what sound scary about that.?? And for someone with your past, But they dont mind abuse in China thats how they operate, You said that in your statement and so does world views and politics.So your working in a place were they shit on the young and your going to change things.?????. Why wouldn't  you stay in the U.S. and try and change the styles here, Oh you probably have been ban in the U.S. from working with kids under 18.Man I want to see how you talk your way around this factual info.The Emperor of China must have recruited you to change and modify the school system. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 27, 2010, 09:32:56 AM
    Quote from: "Froderik"
    Is it true that there is a ring of dead grass for 500 ft. around Joe Ricci's grave?


    Hi Frodo...

    ...seems like we have all been here before ..... (large beautiful chord).... Hmm  maybe too abstract , no?

    Ok different response.....   It is thought that the large dead ring of grass  is a direct  result of the" COLLECTIVE" pissing of thousands of former resident on his grave. It is done as more of a remote pissing , kinda like remote viewing, cause no one actually has seen anyone  P ing on his grave .

    The other studied thought on this is that it is quite possible that due to ricci's action's while above ground ,( very bad person)That anything that comes within 500 feet of his rotting corpse dies because , (to steal the childs frightened  words at the end of the movie  Time bandits) don't touch it (ricci's "SOUL")  thats  .....
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: SEKTO on March 27, 2010, 10:51:12 PM
    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.

    Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

    IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

    Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 27, 2010, 10:59:29 PM
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    How the hell do we waste so much time on Danny Bennison when there is much to discuss everywhere else. I cant follow this constant daily Danny fiesta and try to gain any accomplishment elsewhere. There is much to do right now and basically I am getting to the point of saying fuck fornits because this is fucken crazy daily bullshit that is out of control. Hell I got a life cant come on here once in awhile to not do anything productive. We already established how we feel about Danny, so lets roll off this please...omfg I cant take the art and danny bullshit anymore guys. Who really fucken cares. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  they r purposely wasting my time

    Ehh... I'm tempted to say don't let the door slap your ass on the way out, but...  Instead I suggest giving it a few days and finding something worthwhile to focus your attention.

    You don't have to pay Danny any attention if you don't wan to.

    Use the ignore feature.

    Likewise, you won't need to worry about me trolling you anymore, I stopped seriously trolling you after Felice told me you got out of the hospital, which coincidentally is before you were told I was octomommy.

    This shit has got to settle down people. ELAN is getting a free god damn ride while a few individuals are having a field day tearing each other apart. All of you, Danny included, was a resident of what I'm beginning to believe is one of the most abusive programs around. Stop acting like you are still in the program and all of you, including those of us on the outiside who are egging on the combatants, need to start working together (Me, Joel, and a few others... you know who you are.).

    I'll do it if yall will do it.

    If not, well I have my ignore button as well.

    Chill the fuck out and remember that there are kids still in Elan who need our help.

    That's a damn important responsibility because united we might just be able to save a couple of them. Never a certainty, but definitely nothing is going to happen the way people are carrying on now.


    So bury the hatchets people, just no in each other's back.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: SEKTO on March 27, 2010, 11:07:06 PM
    When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Do you see what I am driving at?

    In other words, a lot of times people who leave high control groups (and this particularly happens with people who were part of leadership in their group) still behave as if they are still in the group when interacting with others in another group situation, regardless of whether that kind of behavior is appropriate in the new situational context.

    That is what I see Shamrock doing; he's behaving in this situation and in this context as if he is still in his old group.  He's translating his position as a "leader" in his old group, into this situation and it's not appropriate for him to do so.

    That is what I see most of the Elanites doing; they are behaving this situational context as if you are still in their old group, namely Elan.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 27, 2010, 11:11:54 PM
    Yeah, called it bro.
    Quote
    Stop acting like you are still in the program
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: SEKTO on March 27, 2010, 11:12:56 PM
    Am I wrong?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 27, 2010, 11:15:45 PM
    Nah, not wrong, I just pointed out I acknowledged your thinking my last post. I agree with what you are saying, I've been there myself with trying to control situations. It gets under your skin and you have to really work at giving up the power. Once you've figured out how to do that, it gets easier.


    And here are my few thoughts on what I believe is a huge cop out (i hate using the term as well, but it fits the foot so.. bleh). The cop out in question is blaming this all on the program.

    I mean wtf...

    We are all adults.

    ACT like it.

    and notice I didn't exclude myself from that either.

    Come on people.. pull together and remember there is far more here at stake than your e-peen.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: SEKTO on March 27, 2010, 11:24:12 PM
    Though I am the first to acknowledge that psychological trauma incurred through program abuse (or any abuse, for that matter) seriously undermines one's ability to make healthy and constructive decisions, I also say that hell no, one can't blame everything on their program, whatever program it was.  Life is about choices, and taking responsibility for them.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 12:54:31 AM
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    How the hell do we waste so much time on Danny Bennison when there is much to discuss everywhere else. I cant follow this constant daily Danny fiesta and try to gain any accomplishment elsewhere. There is much to do right now and basically I am getting to the point of saying fuck fornits because this is fucken crazy daily bullshit that is out of control. Hell I got a life cant come on here once in awhile to not do anything productive. We already established how we feel about Danny, so lets roll off this please...omfg I cant take the art and danny bullshit anymore guys. Who really fucken cares. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  they r purposely wasting my time

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Sharon can we stop, take a break, catch our breath and put off any more pleasantries for another time, what do you think.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 01:16:17 AM
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.

    Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

    IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

    Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    SEKTO
    Most of this message you have posted here is from your disdain for the offender as "YOU SEE IT". Free speech is especially important in this circumstance, it allows the parties to express all of their emotions.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 28, 2010, 01:29:53 AM
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Though I am the first to acknowledge that psychological trauma incurred through program abuse (or any abuse, for that matter) seriously undermines one's ability to make healthy and constructive decisions, I also say that hell no, one can't blame everything on their program, whatever program it was.  Life is about choices, and taking responsibility for them.

    True that player...

    And I'm loving how some of the instigators of this shit are playing the victim. Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.
     
    :suicide:
    Quote
    Sharon can we stop, take a break, catch our breath and put off any more pleasantries for another time, what do you think.
    Danny

    There is no need for compromise here Danny, you just need to do this for your own good, and not worry or think about Sharon.

    Quote
    SEKTO
    Most of this message you have posted here is from your disdain for the offender as "YOU SEE IT". Free speech is especially important in this circumstance, it allows the parties to express all of their emotions.
    Danny

    So free speech is what you've been calling this muddle? I call it actively aiding and abetting Elan in their sick work.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2010, 01:32:00 AM
    99
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 01:37:15 AM
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Do you see what I am driving at?

    In other words, a lot of times people who leave high control groups (and this particularly happens with people who were part of leadership in their group) still behave as if they are still in the group when interacting with others in another group situation, regardless of whether that kind of behavior is appropriate in the new situational context.

    That is what I see Shamrock doing; he's behaving in this situation and in this context as if he is still in his old group.  He's translating his position as a "leader" in his old group, into this situation and it's not appropriate for him to do so.

    That is what I see most of the Elanites doing; they are behaving this situational context as if you are still in their old group, namely Elan.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Interesting point Sekto, but I don't think what I am doing is actually translating Elan as it is more translating my 28 years of being in business and having 75 or more employees. SEKTO we can be on this site and be caught up in this world so much that all we see is program. I am not living in the past or playing a part here or outside of here. I know you are very involved in your studies but hold on here a minute. Maybe there are folks that are trapped in a time warp constantly, others for a brief time. I do think I found myself fighting for my survival, feeling like I could not breath. This anger and need to engage has been a constant red flag for me.
    I just wanted everyone to be accountable for there part, validation.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 01:41:04 AM
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Though I am the first to acknowledge that psychological trauma incurred through program abuse (or any abuse, for that matter) seriously undermines one's ability to make healthy and constructive decisions, I also say that hell no, one can't blame everything on their program, whatever program it was.  Life is about choices, and taking responsibility for them.

    True that player...

    And I'm loving how some of the instigators of this shit are playing the victim. Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.
     
    :suicide:
    Quote
    Sharon can we stop, take a break, catch our breath and put off any more pleasantries for another time, what do you think.
    Danny

    There is no need for compromise here Danny, you just need to do this for your own good, and not worry or think about Sharon.

    Quote
    SEKTO
    Most of this message you have posted here is from your disdain for the offender as "YOU SEE IT". Free speech is especially important in this circumstance, it allows the parties to express all of their emotions.
    Danny

    So free speech is what you've been calling this muddle? I call it actively aiding and abetting Elan in their sick work.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Well it sounded good when I wrote it, but now...LMAO... :beat:
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: karen p on March 28, 2010, 01:59:58 AM
    :tup:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 02:06:24 AM
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
    Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

    IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

    Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.
    I think you are taking that quote out of context. It came about when fornits was experiencing some pretty extraordinary trolling conditions which do not, imho, currently apply (at least as of yet).

    At the time, it was well nigh impossible - for major portions of the day - to find a single solitary thread on the first page of the active topics thread which did not end with a most recent post containing the highly edifying content of the word "FUCK" repeated for several screenfuls. Or several hundred emoticons, complete with motion, which slowed the page loading for those with less than broadband conditions. Or repeated pics of Hitler and/or Mussolini, I think the specs were at least 1000px wide. Or seemingly endless program copypasta. Let us not forget the explicit depictions of fornication and various debasing poses of men, women, and assorted other mammals.

    There was not exactly much content there, to put it mildly, that one could even respond to, discuss, or debate. And this had been going on for several months. It was a flood of trolling. Extraordinary measures were called for. Preferably for as little time as possible, imho.

    This is not what we are dealing with now.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 28, 2010, 03:24:43 AM
    Ursus ,,,I'm not sure what you mean this is not what we are dealing with now .

    I  am tired of having to explain or talk about the facts again. I choose to live my life after elan as an honest ,good , productive man of society. I don't blame elan or its henchmen for that or give elan or its henchmen credits for that . I choose to be that person because of me .

    I could have believed what elan told me  (then)that I was a horrible person , liar. sick, instigator, manipulator , and that people did not like me, and ALL the nonsense  and out right lies that have  been slammed in my face in the past 3 weeks( by someone who did not know me then and has no clue as to who I am now),and if I had believed that (what elan told me ) then I would have been dead a long time ago.

    I  choose life and I don't live in the past no matter how hard some one tries to take me there. Just not gonna happen, I love life and my world too much to even be thinking about buying that ticket. The world I know ,elan, I left many ,many years ago. When I step to the edge and I look down at that world that I know ,elan (by way of the memories that I carry in my mind ) yeah it moves me .

    I learned long ago to put elan in its proper perspective  and no longer associate the intense emotionallity that I use to with those memories. that is not to say that the world that I know of elan doesn't make me sad it does. It just doesn't prevent me from talking about elan with the clarity and factuality , that an emotionally clouded mind wouldn't be able to do.

    No I left elan a long time ago ,the memories of that world I know (elan) I will carry with me forever .

    And yes I hold elan responsible for what happened in elan , If it had been a caring, had real psychiatrists and doctors trained in abused children's issues, non bazarre , not cruel ,not twisted , had a  compassionate  way of dealing with people, and allowed people to feel safe then , I would never have attempted suicide nor would I have felt the need to assault another resident. Damn right elan is resposible for what went on in that insane hellhole.

    And if it had been that type of caring place elan would have never had to try to keep the truth about what was going on in there from the public eye, which it still tries to do today as evidenced by what has transpired over the past three weeks.

    No elan wasn't  a safe  healthy enviorment for any human being . The world that I know as elan was a cruel , sick , twisted ,painful , and criminally insane practices went on in there in the guise of therapy. Yeah I have trust issues from elan ,thats my problem , I know where it came from but ,I can't blame elan for that , it is my problem .

    I choose to deal with trust issues my way. If I let you in the world that I live in now which is full of love , and happiness and you prove to me that I can't trust you . well thats it , you aren't part of my world anymore.And as hard as you pound on my door to come back in again , it is simply not going to open again for you. You have proven to me that I can't trust you.

    I have lots of people in my world that I know and trust .

    If some one trust me, with something they can take it to the bank that I am with them and can be trusted by them. I expect the same from myself as I would of them.

    Any way I seriously digress , Ursus  the past three weeks I have felt that if I posted anything contrary to someones belief (no matter how gentle I went about it) about elan ,AA my experiences in elan, any facts about  the program, and the fact that I survivied the program , that the program was going to do anything in its power  (personal attacks and threats)to try to attack my credibility, and survivourship (that I own) of that place. And I find that dispicable,and those are my feelings on the  matter.

    I don't consider myself to be elan's cream of the crop...but I will work for beggars pay to learn a way to sink that ship of fools on a cruel sea. elan and its henchmen , in my opinion have aided and abetted elan in running a continueing criminal enterprise for over 36 years, they do  anything in their power to keep its horrible secrets from seeing the light of day, and to keep on keeping on.

    Peace

    Matt
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Inculcated on March 28, 2010, 03:42:36 AM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
    Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

    IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

    Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.
    I think you are taking that quote out of context. It came about when fornits was experiencing some pretty extraordinary trolling conditions which do not, imho, currently apply (at least as of yet).

    At the time, it was well nigh impossible - for major portions of the day - to find a single solitary thread on the first page of the active topics thread which did not end with a most recent post containing the highly edifying content of the word "FUCK" repeated for several screenfuls. Or several hundred emoticons, complete with motion, which slowed the page loading for those with less than broadband conditions. Or repeated pics of Hitler and/or Mussolini, I think the specs were at least 1000px wide. Or seemingly endless program copypasta. Let us not forget the explicit depictions of fornication and various debasing poses of men, women, and assorted other mammals.

    There was not exactly much content there, to put it mildly, that one could even respond to, discuss, or debate. And this had been going on for several months. It was a flood of trolling. Extraordinary measures were called for. Preferably for as little time as possible, imho.

    This is not what we are dealing with now.
    Ursus,
    I disagree. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416) (posted by Administrators) cover very six very specific points that cover more than simply flooding.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 28, 2010, 03:48:53 AM
    Some one please tell me what does IMHO mean ...I for the life of me can;t figure that out .

    Thanks
    Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Post by: Joel on March 28, 2010, 04:19:32 AM
    Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 28, 2010, 05:22:38 AM
    Inculated:

    If we go that road we better ban Mark Babitz and Cleveland Steamer (plus his four other or so accounts) as well. Banning people isn't going to help anyone. We've tried it here before and it didn't do a lick of good.


    And Matt, Anyone who considers themselves the cream of the crop of Elan ought to check themselves out in the mirror. That's like saying you are "King Shit on Turd Island".  You'll never see me lining up for that dubious honor.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 09:20:10 AM
    Quote from: "Inculcated"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
    Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

    IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

    Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.
    I think you are taking that quote out of context. It came about when fornits was experiencing some pretty extraordinary trolling conditions which do not, imho, currently apply (at least as of yet).

    At the time, it was well nigh impossible - for major portions of the day - to find a single solitary thread on the first page of the active topics thread which did not end with a most recent post containing the highly edifying content of the word "FUCK" repeated for several screenfuls. Or several hundred emoticons, complete with motion, which slowed the page loading for those with less than broadband conditions. Or repeated pics of Hitler and/or Mussolini, I think the specs were at least 1000px wide. Or seemingly endless program copypasta. Let us not forget the explicit depictions of fornication and various debasing poses of men, women, and assorted other mammals.

    There was not exactly much content there, to put it mildly, that one could even respond to, discuss, or debate. And this had been going on for several months. It was a flood of trolling. Extraordinary measures were called for. Preferably for as little time as possible, imho.

    This is not what we are dealing with now.
    Ursus,
    I disagree. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416) (posted by Administrators) cover very six very specific points that cover more than simply flooding.
    The original context of the quote specifically addressed flooding, and flooding alone.

    Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 09:52:11 AM
    Quote
    Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.

    Why are the rules unenforceable?  

    To me, it's very simple, very black and white: somebody reads the forum rules.  If a person can follow the rules, then they can participate.  If they cannot, then they get a few warnings, and if they STILL cannot follow the rules, then they get banned.  

    We're trying to have an intelligent conversation about the TPI here, at least most of us are.  This is not the online equivalent of The Jerry Springer Show.

    You might find the ongoing fracas really amusing, and maybe even entertaining, Ursus.  

    But most of the rest of us find it really annoying, and at this point more and more participants (actual and potential) are choosing to "tune out."

    Fornits loses a lot of people for the simple reason that it's so poorly monitored and moderated.  Rather than sit back and complain, I for one am trying to do something to change that.

    I'd be willing to bet you that for every one new and legitimate poster who comes here looking for discussion, networking with other program survivors, and support (after all, that's why I started posting to fornits) there are ten who look at the melee and trolling and choose not to post at all.  And then the whole purpose of this place has been defeated.  

    Let's change a couple of words in that original quote, and maybe then you'll see my point more clearly.

    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excesses of a certain belligerent Irish bully, what is effectively happening is that he (the bully) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 28, 2010, 10:08:58 AM
    Hi Aaron ,

    LOL ,the cream of the crop   LOL   was what a group of us were called on facebook recently.... the folks that have been trying to expose that hellhole and possibly shut it down  are supposedly the cream of the crop...,

     No Aaron I certianly don't want that doubious honor placed on my head, by a person IMHO that tries to run the program on fornits, and facebook, again in my opinion.

    I said my piece on a post that ,Aaron is pulling the cream of of the crop from .... I said my piece as to how the past 3 plus weeks has made me feel.

    Has anyone read Lord of the Flies?

    Peace

    Matt
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 10:11:27 AM
    Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 28, 2010, 10:37:44 AM
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.

    Why are the rules unenforceable?  

    To me, it's very simple, very black and white: somebody reads the forum rules.  If a person can follow the rules, then they can participate.  If they cannot, then they get a few warnings, and if they STILL cannot follow the rules, then they get banned.  

    We're trying to have an intelligent conversation about the TPI here, at least most of us are.  This is not the online equivalent of The Jerry Springer Show.

    You might find the ongoing fracas really amusing, and maybe even entertaining, Ursus.  

    But most of the rest of us find it really annoying, and at this point more and more participants (actual and potential) are choosing to "tune out."

    Fornits loses a lot of people for the simple reason that it's so poorly monitored and moderated.

    I'd be willing to bet you that for every one new and legitimate poster who comes here looking for discussion, networking with other program survivors, and support (after all, that's why I started posting to fornits) there are ten who look at the melee and trolling and choose not to post at all.  And then the whole purpose of this place has been defeated.  

    Let's change a couple of words in that original quote, and maybe then you'll see my point more clearly.

    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excesses of a certain belligerent Irish bully, what is effectively happening is that he (the bully) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
    :jawdrop:  I dont see were the conversation on this or any other thread stops any of you from posting, I am responding to your post.as a matter of fact. I agree that some of the arguments get loud, but they do burn them selfs out without any help from the peanut gallery.The thing I have had with the Seymours burned itself out.I think and can see from thier last post Joel and AAron are done fighting. Who won ?? Well it wasnt a competition no one did, Just some views got shot around.But all of us are ok and maybe grew from the experience. Everyone here is an adult and dont need a den mother to watch us.The views on this thread are at 5600.and post are 421.page has been around since Jan 17th 2010 and all of the threads we post on have unbelievable numbers and posts.Thats almost 1900 views a month  63 per day. You folks need a math class.Its called open free for all, and that what it is.The free for all. get all 3 of your attention and posts.Even your view points are listen too.There are plenty of pages on this site to go and hug trees and talk about stuff that doesnt concern any of you . And run around talking about changing the mental health world,etc. we all have our dreams and hopes.But arguments are real and deal with real changeable things.I think that if someone doesnt like what they read move the fuck on .Dont try and sensor or direct.,you wouldnt want anyone to do that to you when your posting bull-shit to bull-shit, Talking about thing that will never change or something that has no pertinence to the topic. No one follows any of you around  judging or criticizing your posts. Because no one cares what any of you post, the adults here relies and respect thats your opinion. Maybe not agree but non the less dont throw their two cents in. Perhaps thats something you persecutors of free speech should look at and do. After all your doing the complaining on a thread that has more views  and actively than most of anything going on here.No Free For All is a huge success, and draws the numbers. Trolls go both ways, read the definition   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)). And your posting stop the fighting on a basic fight page AKA Free For All your trolling. What you are posting is off topic on this page.This page and the free for all pages are for saying whats on your mind, There are plenty of spots on this fourm to behave yourself, thats why some of us come here , because we want to. Thats why the numbers are off the chart. it causes entertainment and great info about Elan and our goals to shut it down.There is infinite space on the internet,So these few threads dont take up much room in the big picture, nor are any of the complainers forced to read them or given no choice because its the only thing to read.So If some body doesnt like the post move on,but I know from the proof of numbers you will still tune in to see whats next .A person cant help it it is fun and entertaining. and in the middle are some good lessons and info about Elan and life.Your just reading the highlights not everything in the tread, but thats why all  of you are  for, are the highlights, they are the most fun I agree. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 10:47:29 AM
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Ursus ,,,I'm not sure what you mean this is not what we are dealing with now .
    I mean that we are not dealing with a flooding situation, where it is damned difficult to even physically find the threads and posts ya want to respond to, for the load of chaff at the forefront. And that this had been going on for months, and that all other less intrusive and more mediating-type methods had failed to stem that tide.

    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Ursus  the past three weeks I have felt that if I posted anything contrary to someones belief (no matter how gentle I went about it) about elan ,AA my experiences in elan, any facts about  the program, and the fact that I survivied the program , that the program was going to do anything in its power  (personal attacks and threats)to try to attack my credibility, and survivourship (that I own) of that place. And I find that dispicable,and those are my feelings on the  matter.
    And you've been doing a fantastic job! I personally find your posts both eloquent and compelling.

    But how can someone disagreeing with you possibly undermine that? Let alone someone who consistently communicates with gutter-level ad hominems, incoherent rantings, and yet with such a clear agenda. Can you not see how that looks to any sane person reading this board?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 28, 2010, 11:12:01 AM
    Ursus,

    I understand your point now  about the flooding .

    And as to be able to undermine my credibility or how I conduct my self or my life, and my beliefs and convictions  . You are right if I step back and look at the big picture .... Ok I see that ....and you are right , it can't be done .....

    I guess when the agenda reaches out and slaps the living daylights out of you , it is hard not to respond , and God forbid if you do, because here, comes the back slap and on and on it will go. It is a wonder that I have any tongue left in my head from biting it (lol) .

    I reckon I'm human  , clear agenda or not , attacks hurt , and they cause pain ..no matter how laughable they are.

    And there in lies the distraction. which does nothing to expose and shutdown elan..... or does it?  Hmm.

    Sane readers  ,I reckon I forgot about  those folks , forgive me please.

    Matt
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 11:16:56 AM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    :jawdrop:  I dont see were the conversation on this or any other thread stops any of you from posting, I am responding to your post.as a matter of fact. I agree that some of the arguments get loud, but they do burn them selfs out without any help from the peanut gallery.The thing I have had with the Seymours burned itself out.I think and can see from thier last post Joel and AAron are done fighting. Who won ?? Well it wasnt a competition no one did, Just some views got shot around.But all of us are ok and maybe grew from the experience. Everyone here is an adult and dont need a den mother to watch us.
    :tup: I agree.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 11:33:01 AM
    Quote from: "Inculcated"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
    Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

    IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

    Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.
    I think you are taking that quote out of context. It came about when fornits was experiencing some pretty extraordinary trolling conditions which do not, imho, currently apply (at least as of yet).

    At the time, it was well nigh impossible - for major portions of the day - to find a single solitary thread on the first page of the active topics thread which did not end with a most recent post containing the highly edifying content of the word "FUCK" repeated for several screenfuls. Or several hundred emoticons, complete with motion, which slowed the page loading for those with less than broadband conditions. Or repeated pics of Hitler and/or Mussolini, I think the specs were at least 1000px wide. Or seemingly endless program copypasta. Let us not forget the explicit depictions of fornication and various debasing poses of men, women, and assorted other mammals.

    There was not exactly much content there, to put it mildly, that one could even respond to, discuss, or debate. And this had been going on for several months. It was a flood of trolling. Extraordinary measures were called for. Preferably for as little time as possible, imho.

    This is not what we are dealing with now.
    Ursus,
    I disagree. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416) (posted by Administrators) cover very six very specific points that cover more than simply flooding.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    You folks Inculcate, Ursus and SEKTO have never really had a direct full frontal attack on you personally before that is very obvious, welcome to the world of Che, Ginger, Psy, Whooter Myself and others that have been personally attacked, now you know how it feels it truly gets inside your bones Inculcate, what I have been receiving on almost a daily bases either on this site or other sites. The constant harassment in one way or another. Termites constantly gnawing at your patience's.
    Now that you folks feel outraged well, we must change this or that, "where were you for me", (yes I will go there) when I was getting my ass kicked, Inculcate, where, please tell me and all of us. I felt no support from you at all. My moderater!!!!!!!!!
    Yes I have some very bad blood that will take time for me to get over but listening to you explain this situation, I apologize just makes me want to vomit.
    Danny..........My first reaction of the day, maybe I will get better.

    danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 11:34:07 AM
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    And there in lies the distraction. which does nothing to expose and shutdown elan..... or does it? Hmm.

    Sane readers ,I reckon I forgot about those folks , forgive me please.
    :notworthy: :notworthy:  :notworthy:





    Need I say more?  :D
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 11:51:02 AM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Ursus ,,,I'm not sure what you mean this is not what we are dealing with now .
    I mean that we are not dealing with a flooding situation, where it is damned difficult to even physically find the threads and posts ya want to respond to, for the load of chaff at the forefront. And that this had been going on for months, and that all other less intrusive and more mediating-type methods had failed to stem that tide.

    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Ursus  the past three weeks I have felt that if I posted anything contrary to someones belief (no matter how gentle I went about it) about elan ,AA my experiences in elan, any facts about  the program, and the fact that I survivied the program , that the program was going to do anything in its power  (personal attacks and threats)to try to attack my credibility, and survivourship (that I own) of that place. And I find that dispicable,and those are my feelings on the  matter.
    And you've been doing a fantastic job! I personally find your posts both eloquent and compelling.

    But how can someone disagreeing with you possibly undermine that? Let alone someone who consistently communicates with gutter-level ad hominems, incoherent rantings, and yet with such a clear agenda. Can you not see how that looks to any sane person reading this board?


     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Danny spoke:
    There is my Mod again on a moderated forum showing his favoritism again, just can't be objective can you, you can't even fake it. I guess you did not get the FYI from your boss, to stop antagonizing, did you Ursus or maybe you just chose to not listen.
    Ursus you are antagonizing a already explosive situation, anytime you want to act like a Mod, that would be nice.

    Ursus spoke:
    "But how can someone disagreeing with you possibly undermine that? Let alone someone who consistently communicates with gutter-level ad hominems, incoherent rantings, and yet with such a clear agenda. Can you not see how that looks to any sane person reading this board?[/quote]"

    Danny spoke:
    This is your way of "Flaming" my friend and you know it.....Stop. Or we will just resume yesterday (all over again) because then obviously you still want to attack me on here.
    I guess dragging around a girl by a car does not constitute "gutter-level ad hominems" does it.
    Or is that not in line with your and your partners (Inculcate) agenda.
    Do me a personal favor act like you have some sense please and stop cleverly "Flaming" on your own forum.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 12:03:49 PM
    Quote from: "Inculcated"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
    Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

    IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

    Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.
    I think you are taking that quote out of context. It came about when fornits was experiencing some pretty extraordinary trolling conditions which do not, imho, currently apply (at least as of yet).

    At the time, it was well nigh impossible - for major portions of the day - to find a single solitary thread on the first page of the active topics thread which did not end with a most recent post containing the highly edifying content of the word "FUCK" repeated for several screenfuls. Or several hundred emoticons, complete with motion, which slowed the page loading for those with less than broadband conditions. Or repeated pics of Hitler and/or Mussolini, I think the specs were at least 1000px wide. Or seemingly endless program copypasta. Let us not forget the explicit depictions of fornication and various debasing poses of men, women, and assorted other mammals.

    There was not exactly much content there, to put it mildly, that one could even respond to, discuss, or debate. And this had been going on for several months. It was a flood of trolling. Extraordinary measures were called for. Preferably for as little time as possible, imho.

    This is not what we are dealing with now.[/quote
    Ursus,
    I disagree. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416) (posted by Administrators) cover very six very specific points that cover more than simply flooding.




    :shamrock: :shamrock:

    Inculcate spoke:
    Ursus,
    I disagree. The rules and policies (posted by Administrators) cover very six very specific points that cover more than simply flooding.

    Danny speaks:
    Nice try again little one, your emotions are way out in front of your common sense. Read the rules again. You EGO has got to be tamed, really. Your a suedo intellectual, please take care of your ego. It is clouding your ability to moderate objectively.

    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 12:19:29 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Ursus ,,,I'm not sure what you mean this is not what we are dealing with now .
    I mean that we are not dealing with a flooding situation, where it is damned difficult to even physically find the threads and posts ya want to respond to, for the load of chaff at the forefront. And that this had been going on for months, and that all other less intrusive and more mediating-type methods had failed to stem that tide.

    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Ursus  the past three weeks I have felt that if I posted anything contrary to someones belief (no matter how gentle I went about it) about elan ,AA my experiences in elan, any facts about  the program, and the fact that I survivied the program , that the program was going to do anything in its power  (personal attacks and threats)to try to attack my credibility, and survivourship (that I own) of that place. And I find that dispicable,and those are my feelings on the  matter.
    And you've been doing a fantastic job! I personally find your posts both eloquent and compelling.

    But how can someone disagreeing with you possibly undermine that? Let alone someone who consistently communicates with gutter-level ad hominems, incoherent rantings, and yet with such a clear agenda. Can you not see how that looks to any sane person reading this board?
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Danny spoke:
    There is my Mod again on a moderated forum showing his favoritism again, just can't be objective can you, you can't even fake it. I guess you did not get the FYI from your boss, to stop antagonizing, did you Ursus or maybe you just chose to not listen.
    Ursus you are antagonizing a already explosive situation, anytime you want to act like a Mod, that would be nice.
    1. The Open Free For All is NOT a moderated forum.
    2. With all due respect, please explain how I am antagonizing here.

    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    But how can someone disagreeing with you possibly undermine that? Let alone someone who consistently communicates with gutter-level ad hominems, incoherent rantings, and yet with such a clear agenda. Can you not see how that looks to any sane person reading this board?
    Danny spoke:
    This is your way of "Flaming" my friend and you know it.....Stop. Or we will just resume yesterday (all over again) because then obviously you still want to attack me on here.
    I guess dragging around a girl by a car does not constitute "gutter-level ad hominems" does it.
    Or is that not in line with your and your partners (Inculcate) agenda.
    Do me a personal favor act like you have some sense please and stop cleverly "Flaming" on your own forum.
    3. With all due respect, please explain how I am flaming here, and how that constitutes "flaming" on an unmoderated forum.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 12:38:39 PM
    Well I woke up this morning thinking we were turning a new page but I guess not because two moderators had been discrediting me and trying to ban me from a forum. How nice.
    Lets just go and antagonize a situation that has been out of control all week.
    Guys I have asked you two Incucate and Ursus to leave me alone all week, I thought as moderators you could see the value in doing this. Not so.
    It is Sunday and you are pissing me off, bad Karma.
    Listen please listen, I do not care about the Elan Forum, ban me or whatever so long as it shuts Inculcates mouth up, Ursus get off whatever you have to today, then be done with it.
    I'm sure you got the FYI from the boss like I did, MOVE ON. If you and Matt want to talk PM one another, that is just common sense. In this transition period keep your comments to yourself about me as I will also. Transition from insanity back to sane.
    If you two have not the maturity and vision to do this fine, then just say so now. Then at least other arrangements can be made to help this transition. In my mind after reading what the boss said, then after getting off what I needed to, I am now moving forward.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 28, 2010, 01:31:22 PM
    Ursus stated " Need I say more? " :D[/quote]








             Touche
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Antigen on March 28, 2010, 03:00:40 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    The original context of the quote specifically addressed flooding, and flooding alone.

    Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.

    I'm thinking that too. The main problem with declaring a rule against things like personal attacks is that perception of a personal attack is extremely subjective. Especially in this context because there are so many inside references going back to traumatic events of the past.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 03:12:51 PM
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.
    Why are the rules unenforceable?

    Because they are subject to personal interpretation, which includes personal bias. Perhaps like this:
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!
    [/list][/list]

    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    To me, it's very simple, very black and white: somebody reads the forum rules.  If a person can follow the rules, then they can participate.  If they cannot, then they get a few warnings, and if they STILL cannot follow the rules, then they get banned.  

    We're trying to have an intelligent conversation about the TPI here, at least most of us are.  This is not the online equivalent of The Jerry Springer Show.
    At the top of every single page on fornits is the following description:

    Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora
    An open discussion about the troubled parent industry
    [/list]
    How can you have an "open discussion" if not everyone is allowed to participate?

    It's only like The Jerry Springer Show if everyone acts like a nut case. Are you saying that survivors of institutionalized child abuse are incapable of not acting like nut cases?

    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    You might find the ongoing fracas really amusing, and maybe even entertaining, Ursus.  

    But most of the rest of us find it really annoying, and at this point more and more participants (actual and potential) are choosing to "tune out."

    Fornits loses a lot of people for the simple reason that it's so poorly monitored and moderated.  Rather than sit back and complain, I for one am trying to do something to change that.

    I'd be willing to bet you that for every one new and legitimate poster who comes here looking for discussion, networking with other program survivors, and support (after all, that's why I started posting to fornits) there are ten who look at the melee and trolling and choose not to post at all.  And then the whole purpose of this place has been defeated.
     
    But, I bet they sure as hell read it!  :D

    I get what you're saying Sekto, but it's a double-edged sword. I think once you censor and moderate with too heavy a hand, there's an awful lot that gets left unsaid. I think you also run the risk of the discussion becoming too one-sided. At which point the true underbelly of the beast never gets seen, save by those who already know it all too well.

    Just my opinion, fwiw...
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 03:24:24 PM
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.

    Why are the rules unenforceable?  

    To me, it's very simple, very black and white: somebody reads the forum rules.  If a person can follow the rules, then they can participate.  If they cannot, then they get a few warnings, and if they STILL cannot follow the rules, then they get banned.  

    We're trying to have an intelligent conversation about the TPI here, at least most of us are.  This is not the online equivalent of The Jerry Springer Show.

    You might find the ongoing fracas really amusing, and maybe even entertaining, Ursus.  

    But most of the rest of us find it really annoying, and at this point more and more participants (actual and potential) are choosing to "tune out."

    Fornits loses a lot of people for the simple reason that it's so poorly monitored and moderated.  Rather than sit back and complain, I for one am trying to do something to change that.

    I'd be willing to bet you that for every one new and legitimate poster who comes here looking for discussion, networking with other program survivors, and support (after all, that's why I started posting to fornits) there are ten who look at the melee and trolling and choose not to post at all.  And then the whole purpose of this place has been defeated.  

    Let's change a couple of words in that original quote, and maybe then you'll see my point more clearly.

    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excesses of a certain belligerent Irish bully, what is effectively happening is that he (the bully) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Sekto,
    If your going to continue to talk about me, as you said you would not, at least acknowledge me.
    No one has gone anywhere, do a survey and we have just as much posting as any other week, if not more with this fracas. Please lets stay away from all the emotion and state facts.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 03:30:25 PM
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Hi Aaron ,

    LOL ,the cream of the crop   LOL   was what a group of us were called on facebook recently.... the folks that have been trying to expose that hellhole and possibly shut it down  are supposedly the cream of the crop...,

     No Aaron I certianly don't want that doubious honor placed on my head, by a person IMHO that tries to run the program on fornits, and facebook, again in my opinion.

    I said my piece on a post that ,Aaron is pulling the cream of of the crop from .... I said my piece as to how the past 3 plus weeks has made me feel.

    Has anyone read Lord of the Flies?

    Peace

    Matt

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    I don't see it and maybe one day you will be able to explain it to me in rational terms, but how do you see by what you have done to ex-Elan folk as trying to shut down Elan. You live in Virginia take your butt up to Maine check it out yourself, get a little dirty, go to the racetrack, get a investigator. Then tells us how your trying to shut down Elan.
    Lets pool money and hire a investigator, I mentioned this many times. Posting this light weight mumbo jumbo hasn't done anything in 10 years.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 28, 2010, 03:42:29 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.
    Why are the rules unenforceable?

    Because they are subject to personal interpretation, which includes personal bias. Perhaps like this:
      Quote from: "SEKTO"
      Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!
      [/list][/list]

      Quote from: "SEKTO"
      To me, it's very simple, very black and white: somebody reads the forum rules.  If a person can follow the rules, then they can participate.  If they cannot, then they get a few warnings, and if they STILL cannot follow the rules, then they get banned.  

      We're trying to have an intelligent conversation about the TPI here, at least most of us are.  This is not the online equivalent of The Jerry Springer Show.
      At the top of every single page on fornits is the following description:

        Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora
        An open discussion about the troubled parent industry
        [/list]
        How can you have an "open discussion" if not everyone is allowed to participate?

        It's only like The Jerry Springer Show if everyone acts like a nut case. Are you saying that survivors of institutionalized child abuse are incapable of not acting like nut cases?

        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        You might find the ongoing fracas really amusing, and maybe even entertaining, Ursus.  

        But most of the rest of us find it really annoying, and at this point more and more participants (actual and potential) are choosing to "tune out."

        Fornits loses a lot of people for the simple reason that it's so poorly monitored and moderated.  Rather than sit back and complain, I for one am trying to do something to change that.

        I'd be willing to bet you that for every one new and legitimate poster who comes here looking for discussion, networking with other program survivors, and support (after all, that's why I started posting to fornits) there are ten who look at the melee and trolling and choose not to post at all.  And then the whole purpose of this place has been defeated.
         
        But, I bet they sure as hell read it!  :D

        I get what you're saying Sekto, but it's a double-edged sword. I think once you censor and moderate with too heavy a hand, there's an awful lot that gets left unsaid. I think you also run the risk of the discussion becoming too one-sided. At which point the true underbelly of the beast never gets seen, save by those who already know it all too well.

        Just my opinion, fwiw...
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Well put Ursus,by the way that post was Sherry Slaten you asked about.And thank you for standing up. :cheers:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :rasta: P.S.the views are at 5990 now
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Inculcated on March 28, 2010, 04:03:59 PM
        As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416)  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
        The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
        From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: karen p on March 28, 2010, 04:10:36 PM
        http://www.opifexphoenix.com/reasoning/ ... attack.htm (http://www.opifexphoenix.com/reasoning/fallacies/personalattack.htm)

        Personal Attack

        Also Known as: Ad Hominem Abusive

        Description:

        A personal attack is committed when a person substitutes abusive remarks for evidence when attacking another person’s claim or claims. This line of “reasoning” is fallacious because the attack is directed at the person making the claim and not the claim itself. The truth value of a claim is independent of the person making the claim. After all, no matter how repugnant an individual might be, he or she can still make true claims.

        Not all ad Hominems are fallacious. In some cases, an individual’s characteristics can have a bearing on the question of the veracity of her claims. For example, if someone is shown to be a pathological liar, then what he says can be considered to be unreliable. However, such attacks are weak, since even pathological liars might speak the truth on occasion.

        In general, it is best to focus one’s attention on the content of the claim and not on who made the claim. It is the content that determines the truth of the claim and not the characteristics of the person making the claim.

        Example #1:

        In a school debate, Bill claims that the President’s economic plan is unrealistic. His opponent, a professor, retorts by saying “the freshman has his facts wrong.”

        Example #2:

        “This theory about a potential cure for cancer has been introduced by a doctor who is a known lesbian feminist. I don’t see why we should extend an invitation for her to speak at the World Conference on Cancer.”

        Example #3:

        “Bill says that we should give tax breaks to companies. But he is untrustworthy, so it must be wrong to do that.”

         
        Example #4:

        “That claim cannot be true. Dave believes it, and we know how morally repulsive he is.”

         
        Example #5:

        “Bill claims that Jane would be a good treasurer. However I find Bill’s behavior offensive, so I’m not going to vote for Jill.”

        Example #6

        “Jane says that drug use is morally wrong, but she is just a goody-two shoes Christian, so we don’t have to listen to her.”

         
        Example #7

        Bill: “I don’t think it is a good idea to cut social programs.”

        Jill: “Why not?”

        Bill: “Well, many people do not get a fair start in life and hence need some help. After all, some people have wealthy parents and have it fairly easy. Others are born into poverty and…”

        Jill: “You just say that stuff because you have a soft heart and an equally soft head.”
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 04:13:15 PM
        Yep. Might as well axe 95% of what's on fornits if you want to enforce that. lol
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: karen p on March 28, 2010, 04:24:40 PM
        I am glad people  are not paying attention to Danny anymore because the verbal brawl will never stop.   I hope people continue to ignore him for the sanity of this website.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 04:33:41 PM
        Quote from: "karen p"
        I am glad people  are not paying attention to Danny anymore because the verbal brawl will never stop.   I hope people continue to ignore him for the sanity of this website.

        Hear, hear.  I would heartily agree with you, karen.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 06:57:16 PM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "Inculcated"
        As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416)  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
        The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
        From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.
        I say we return the "Occupied Territory" back to it's original state of Freedom.
        Tell NORTH KOREA AND THEIR DAYTOPIAN DICTATORS RULES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CESSPOOL!
        3 RULES
        1. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
        2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH
        3. ONLY SPAM AND TUB GIRL WILL BE DELETED
        I'm fine with whatever. I never saw this as anything other than temporary, nor could I ever force myself to look at that official rule list after the first day. Just not my style.

        Personally, and this is strictly my opinion and I can only speak for myself here, I see moderating as being essentially akin to yet another form of behavior modification. Maybe there's no "akin" about it. One employs it only when absolutely necessary. That is, as infrequently and as minimally as possible, preferably only when survival is at stake, and bearing in mind that ... there is always a cost.

        So... just lemme know when to pack me bags. I'm cool.  :D
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Yoshi on March 28, 2010, 07:02:41 PM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "Inculcated"
        As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416)  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
        The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
        From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.

        I say we return the "Occupied Territory" back to it's original state of Freedom.
        Tell NORTH KOREA AND THEIR DAYTOPIAN DICTATORS RULES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CESSPOOL!
        3 RULES
        1. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
        2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH
        3. ONLY SPAM AND TUB GIRL WILL BE DELETED

        Eliscu2: why would anybody want to listen to your advice about how to run a forum?  You're the one who was a moderator, until you got FIRED.

         :lala:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 07:43:55 PM
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "Inculcated"
        As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416)  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
        The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
        From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.
        I say we return the "Occupied Territory" back to it's original state of Freedom.
        Tell NORTH KOREA AND THEIR DAYTOPIAN DICTATORS RULES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CESSPOOL!
        3 RULES
        1. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
        2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH
        3. ONLY SPAM AND TUB GIRL WILL BE DELETED
        I'm fine with whatever. I never saw this as anything other than temporary, nor could I ever force myself to look at that official rule list after the first day. Just not my style.

        Personally, and this is strictly my opinion and I can only speak for myself here, I see moderating as being essentially akin to yet another form of behavior modification. Maybe there's no "akin" about it. One employs it only when absolutely necessary. That is, as infrequently and as minimally as possible, preferably only when survival is at stake, and bearing in mind that ... there is always a cost.

        So... just lemme know when to pack me bags. I'm cool.  :D

        So what are we supposed to do, Ursus?  Change the name from fornits to The Troll Show?

        There's a vast difference between moderating these forums better and employing program-style BMod techniques on people.  Apples and oranges.  You cannot be serious.

        We do not use signs here, no humiliating LEs, we do not use the chair, there are no costumes, there is no "Fornits Philosophy" or "Fornits Values," no formal Fornits Creed, and there are no stages to work through.  Though, I would have to say that it's like an electronic Encounter Group at times in here.

        Nobody's telling anybody how to think, or what to say.  Though, I would point out that you do seem to fancy yourself the self-appointed Semantics Police at times.

        Everywhere you go and no matter what you are doing in society, there are rules, and consequences for breaking them.  

        All I am talking about is implementing some rules and standards, and then enforcing the same.  What's wrong with that?
        Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Post by: Joel on March 28, 2010, 08:07:06 PM
        Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 08:17:48 PM
        No, Joel my friend, I am afraid that I do not understand.  It was pretty funny, but what are you saying in posting this?
        Title: the anti-program program
        Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 08:22:07 PM
        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "Inculcated"
        As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416)  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
        The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
        From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.
        I say we return the "Occupied Territory" back to it's original state of Freedom.
        Tell NORTH KOREA AND THEIR DAYTOPIAN DICTATORS RULES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CESSPOOL!
        3 RULES
        1. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
        2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH
        3. ONLY SPAM AND TUB GIRL WILL BE DELETED
        I'm fine with whatever. I never saw this as anything other than temporary, nor could I ever force myself to look at that official rule list after the first day. Just not my style.

        Personally, and this is strictly my opinion and I can only speak for myself here, I see moderating as being essentially akin to yet another form of behavior modification. Maybe there's no "akin" about it. One employs it only when absolutely necessary. That is, as infrequently and as minimally as possible, preferably only when survival is at stake, and bearing in mind that ... there is always a cost.

        So... just lemme know when to pack me bags. I'm cool.  :D
        So what are we supposed to do, Ursus?  Change the name from fornits to The Troll Show?

        There's a vast difference between moderating these forums better and employing program-style BMod techniques on people.  Apples and oranges.  You cannot be serious.
        Oh, I'm dead serious. And it's not apples and oranges, it's apples and crab apples. Maybe crabby apples.

        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        We do not use signs here, no humiliating LEs, we do not use the chair, there are no costumes, there is no "Fornits Philosophy" or "Fornits Values," no formal Fornits Creed, and there are no stages to work through.  Though, I would have to say that it's like an electronic Encounter Group at times in here.

        Nobody's telling anybody how to think, or what to say.
        Ah, but there is this onerous and, quite frankly, somewhat off-putting Forum Rules and Policies that seems to be seeping its way into various forums on fornits. And that does tell people how they are "allowed" to say things, which in some cases, might mean that they aren't able to say anything at all. And then there is the fact that some folks are getting reeeeeal ban-happy around here.

        Perhaps it is a kinder, gentler program. But that's still a program. Perhaps you think fornits should turn into the anti-program program!?  

        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Though, I would point out that you do seem to fancy yourself the self-appointed Semantics Police at times.
        LINK, dude, or it never happened. You've got a woeful misconception there. Since when did I ever give a serious rat's ass about other people's word usage? lol

        I might care a bit about my own grammar and word usage, but that's because I'm socially retarded and think I don't communicate very well.

        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Everywhere you go and no matter what you are doing in society, there are rules, and consequences for breaking them.  

        All I am talking about is implementing some rules and standards, and then enforcing the same.  What's wrong with that?
        What's wrong? ... it's the anti-program program!!

         :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 08:43:53 PM
        In this series of posts, you are trying to enlighten me as to the proper use of the term, "therapeutic community" after I'd written that I was immersed in one (Meadow Haven) at the time.  Don't forget: I first started posting to fornits from within a therapeutic community, namely, Meadow Haven.  And you were trying to tell me that technically, it's not a therapeutic community.  I, in effect, interpreted this at the time as you trying to tell me what is and is not "okay" to write.  At the time, it ticked me off, but I let it go.

        Perhaps one might think that calling a community that offers therapeutic benefits a "therapeutic community" is technically okay.

        http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=90 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=26260&start=90)

        In this next set of posts, you are swerving out of your lane and into mine in telling me what is and is not an on-topic discussion within my forum.  That annoyed me too, but again, I let it go.

        viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28320&p=357304&hilit=interrelated#p357304 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28320&p=357304&hilit=interrelated#p357304)

        Ursus, I do respect you and mean no offense.  It's just that sometimes I wish you'd stay in your lane.    Know what I mean?

        You also come across as kind of a know-it-all at times, IMO.

        Oh damn, and look at the tree on the sign!  I never made the connection before.

        http://www.meadowhaven.org/index.htm (http://www.meadowhaven.org/index.htm)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Che Gookin on March 28, 2010, 09:02:36 PM
        Jesus Christ people... some of this would hit the next level of epic if you'd hash it out in PM.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 09:04:55 PM
        Quote from: "Che Gookin"
        Jesus Christ people... some of this would hit the next level of epic if you'd hash it out in PM.

        Hey, free speech, right?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Che Gookin on March 28, 2010, 09:24:54 PM
        Yeah but I consider Oprah style free speech a sort of verbal diarrhea.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 09:27:26 PM
        Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants, but it does not mean that one can say whatever one wants, wherever one wants to say it.  You may remember the old saying about yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater.

        " A kind of thinking in which maintaining group agreement overrides a careful consideration of the facts in a realistic manner."  

        What is the term for such a state?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 09:32:02 PM
        Boy, you've really been saving up this ammo for awhile, haven't you!   :D

        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        In this series of posts, you are trying to enlighten me as to the proper use of the term, "therapeutic community" after I'd written that I was immersed in one (Meadow Haven) at the time.  Don't forget: I first started posting to fornits from within a therapeutic community, namely, Meadow Haven.  And you were trying to tell me that technically, it's not a therapeutic community.  I, in effect, interpreted this at the time as you trying to tell me what is and is not "okay" to write.  At the time, it ticked me off, but I let it go.

        Perhaps one might think that calling a community that offers therapeutic benefits a "therapeutic community" is technically okay.

        http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=90 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=26260&start=90)
        If I recall correctly, there was some confusion about your usage of the term "therapeutic community," namely, that you felt it was a positive reference since you were then currently part of one. But you did not make that clear, or maybe I just didn't get it because I am sometimes obtuse. So, sorry 'bout that, if that's what I did.

        That was also about a year and a half ago. Might I suggest not festering over it so long next time. lol.

        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        In this next set of posts, you are swerving out of your lane and into mine in telling me what is and is not an on-topic discussion within my forum.  That annoyed me too, but again, I let it go.

        viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28320&p=357304&hilit=interrelated#p357304 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28320&p=357304&hilit=interrelated#p357304)
        I don't recall me telling you "what is and is not an on-topic discussion within [YOUR] forum." I do recall there being a discussion on the Daytop forum in which Elan was brought up (why wouldn't it, when Joe Ricci attended Daytop), and your telling us you were later gonna split the thread up and move select posts over to the Elan forum (thereby destroying the continuity of the discussion). I was not the only person to object to this.

        Is this (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28320&p=357304&hilit=interrelated#p357293) where I offended you and "swerved into your lane" on YOUR forum?:
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Agreed. Please limit discussion of Elan, to the Elan forum. Later I'll split this thread and move things over there.
        With all due respect, I worry that you run the risk of diluting the significance of program overlap by censoring discussion. I myself have found this thread quite stimulating and it has given me a number of new insights.

        If you are going to excise all mention of non-Daytop programs from the Daytop thread, folk may perhaps not make the connection of the historical role Daytop plays. Likewise of all programs which also played a role in the formation of Daytop itself.

        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        You also come across as kind of a know-it-all at times, IMO.
        Yep. I told you I was socially retarded. And clearly I don't communicate very well. Quite possibly, not even within the parameters of the DAYTOP Forum Rules and Policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=29882#p356306)! But here's a solution for ya: you can always BAN ME from YOUR Daytop forum!!!  :D
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2010, 09:35:30 PM
        Where is Big John McCarthy when you need him?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 09:39:09 PM
        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        " A kind of thinking in which maintaining group agreement overrides a careful consideration of the facts in a realistic manner."  

        What is the term for such a state?
        Hate to say it, Sekto, but it kinda sounds a little like your Daytop forum to me.

        Jes sayin' !!!  :D
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 09:40:04 PM
        " A kind of thinking in which maintaining group agreement overrides a careful consideration of the facts in a realistic manner."

        What is the term for such a state?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Che Gookin on March 28, 2010, 09:40:36 PM
        You know the place is going down hill when we have mods egging each other on for bans.
         :seg2:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 09:44:40 PM
        Comparing me to Kim Jong-il because I believe in the better moderation of fornits is asinine.

        http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/op ... 62927.html (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/03/164_62927.html)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2010, 09:47:48 PM
        SEKTO communist is beyond her comprehension.  She says it to fit in on this website so she can feel good about herself.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 09:51:10 PM
        "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."  

        This is communism in a nutshell.  Doesn't sound so bad to me.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2010, 09:54:57 PM
        In Felice mind she believes 3 + 8 = 2 so be patient with her abnormal thinking.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 09:57:09 PM
        Quote from: "gae saeki"
        In Felice mind she believes 3 + 8 = 2 so be patient with her abnormal thinking.

        She is a good and decent person in my book.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Che Gookin on March 28, 2010, 10:01:51 PM
        gae saeki/harry cox/cleveland steamer/ and karen...

        Seriously, please do not heckle or troll Felice. She is a good friend and I have a lot of regard for her. Focus your attention on the epic raep and pillage of pro-elan sites.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 10:16:53 PM
        Quote from: "Che Gookin"
        gae saeki/harry cox/cleveland steamer/ and karen...

        Seriously, please do not heckle or troll Felice. She is a good friend and I have a lot of regard for her. Focus your attention on the epic raep and pillage of pro-elan sites.

        I agree.  Leave her alone.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 10:41:03 PM
        Quote from: "Inculcated"
        As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416)  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
        The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
        From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.

         :shamrock:  :shamrock:
        Oh and those Elan posters were so inclined to be fair and modest with their opinions of me, they were looking out for the welfare of the Elan Forum weren't they. I'm sure Felice, Matt and Sharon and yourself (Inculcate) were just innocently converting on the travesties that I have committed, unaware of your own disregard and wanton refusal to acknowledge your part in this war of words. Inculcate you are leading a posse and your denial is so obvious that others have to keep pointing it out to you. You want me gone so bad that you will break all ethics to do it, not unlike SEKTO. Your representation of fornits as a moderator is of a naive young.....you can finish.
        Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 11:08:24 PM
        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants, but it does not mean that one can say whatever one wants, wherever one wants to say it.  You may remember the old saying about yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater.

        " A kind of thinking in which maintaining group agreement overrides a careful consideration of the facts in a realistic manner."  

        What is the term for such a state?

        SEKTO,
        This is fornits not the Regency Club Benefit, free speech is understood here that is true but what you seem to not understand, Dragging around a girl behind a car is a malicious degrading allegation to ask someone who dedicated 3 years to help keep her alive, only to here she was beat to death anyway. So please stop with your emotions, I purposely cut you all the way to the bone so we would be on the same level of pain and still you fight.
        We are not different SEKTO, so stop marginalizing me.
        Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 11:16:27 PM
        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Comparing me to Kim Jong-il because I believe in the better moderation of fornits is asinine.

        http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/op ... 62927.html (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/03/164_62927.html)

         :shamrock:  :shamrock:
        Yes I agree but you are in denial concerning wanting better moderation, you got blasted by me got your feelings hurt and want to retaliate and you want to do this under the veil of this noble cause. Lets the moderation of Fornits, sorry it smells Sekto and I will continue to fight tooth and nail to stop you. I don't like your kind, when you feel your losing you revert to a conniving heretic.
        Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 11:34:38 PM
        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Comparing me to Kim Jong-il because I believe in the better moderation of fornits is asinine.

        http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/op ... 62927.html (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/03/164_62927.html)

         :shamrock:  :shamrock:
        Sekto,
        When are you going to admit that being a moderator can be intimidating at times, and leaves one to be hurt if not careful, so in your situation absolute control is a viable option but it has consequences, as you are finding.  
        Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Che Gookin on March 29, 2010, 12:17:15 AM
        What kind of pussy gets scared or intimidated by a mod?

        pbbbbbbbbbtttttttt..... Mod means one thing, "Troll me more."

        seriously, fail argument is fail.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on March 29, 2010, 12:23:36 AM
        Quote from: "Che Gookin"
        What kind of pussy gets scared or intimidated by a mod?

        pbbbbbbbbbtttttttt..... Mod means one thing, "Troll me more."

        seriously, fail argument is fail.

         :shamrock:  :shamrock:
        I was actually trying to be serious for once, Che.
        What I was saying is I think Sekto feels intimadated by
        his position of Moderator so as a consequence exerts more
        control then need be on his Forum. Also he has shared a great
        deal about himself on that forum personally, which I don't know
        was wise but never the less he did, I would feel vulnerable with
        that much info out there.
        Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on March 29, 2010, 01:00:05 AM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Quote
        Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.

        Why are the rules unenforceable?  

        To me, it's very simple, very black and white: somebody reads the forum rules.  If a person can follow the rules, then they can participate.  If they cannot, then they get a few warnings, and if they STILL cannot follow the rules, then they get banned.  

        We're trying to have an intelligent conversation about the TPI here, at least most of us are.  This is not the online equivalent of The Jerry Springer Show.

        You might find the ongoing fracas really amusing, and maybe even entertaining, Ursus.  

        But most of the rest of us find it really annoying, and at this point more and more participants (actual and potential) are choosing to "tune out."

        Fornits loses a lot of people for the simple reason that it's so poorly monitored and moderated.

        I'd be willing to bet you that for every one new and legitimate poster who comes here looking for discussion, networking with other program survivors, and support (after all, that's why I started posting to fornits) there are ten who look at the melee and trolling and choose not to post at all.  And then the whole purpose of this place has been defeated.  

        Let's change a couple of words in that original quote, and maybe then you'll see my point more clearly.

        Quote
        When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excesses of a certain belligerent Irish bully, what is effectively happening is that he (the bully) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
        :jawdrop:  I dont see were the conversation on this or any other thread stops any of you from posting, I am responding to your post.as a matter of fact. I agree that some of the arguments get loud, but they do burn them selfs out without any help from the peanut gallery.The thing I have had with the Seymours burned itself out.I think and can see from thier last post Joel and AAron are done fighting. Who won ?? Well it wasnt a competition no one did, Just some views got shot around.But all of us are ok and maybe grew from the experience. Everyone here is an adult and dont need a den mother to watch us.The views on this thread are at 5600.and post are 421.page has been around since Jan 17th 2010 and all of the threads we post on have unbelievable numbers and posts.Thats almost 1900 views a month  63 per day. You folks need a math class.Its called open free for all, and that what it is.The free for all. get all 3 of your attention and posts.Even your view points are listen too.There are plenty of pages on this site to go and hug trees and talk about stuff that doesnt concern any of you . And run around talking about changing the mental health world,etc. we all have our dreams and hopes.But arguments are real and deal with real changeable things.I think that if someone doesnt like what they read move the fuck on .Dont try and sensor or direct.,you wouldnt want anyone to do that to you when your posting bull-shit to bull-shit, Talking about thing that will never change or something that has no pertinence to the topic. No one follows any of you around  judging or criticizing your posts. Because no one cares what any of you post, the adults here relies and respect thats your opinion. Maybe not agree but non the less dont throw their two cents in. Perhaps thats something you persecutors of free speech should look at and do. After all your doing the complaining on a thread that has more views  and actively than most of anything going on here.No Free For All is a huge success, and draws the numbers. Trolls go both ways, read the definition   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)). And your posting stop the fighting on a basic fight page AKA Free For All your trolling. What you are posting is off topic on this page.This page and the free for all pages are for saying whats on your mind, There are plenty of spots on this fourm to behave yourself, thats why some of us come here , because we want to. Thats why the numbers are off the chart. it causes entertainment and great info about Elan and our goals to shut it down.There is infinite space on the internet,So these few threads dont take up much room in the big picture, nor are any of the complainers forced to read them or given no choice because its the only thing to read.So If some body doesnt like the post move on,but I know from the proof of numbers you will still tune in to see whats next .A person cant help it it is fun and entertaining. and in the middle are some good lessons and info about Elan and life.Your just reading the highlights not everything in the tread, but thats why all  of you are  for, are the highlights, they are the most fun I agree. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Nice.





         :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  
        Here is the Math.
        The Elan Forum has always been it's very own "Open Free For All".
        This is how Elan Residents "relate" to each other.
        They were programmed to "Get thier feelings off" in the most crude and hate/hurtfull ways.
        The Elan Forum has pretty much been "Moderated" by Matt and I.
        Matt deleted "Tub Girl" once. and I acted like a Dictator twice.
        Besides removing hurtful posts for someone who requested it once I had never previously deleted anything.
        We all know I lost it one day and posted someone's IP address and was removed as Moderator.
        I also mistakenly took out a few old threads while being angry dictator of the Elan Forum.
        Luckily and with hours and hours of hard work that data has been recovered. Thank You URSUS!
        NORTH KOREA TAKES OVER ELAN FORUM-NEW ELAN RULES
        Now that the Elan forum has been turned into "Occupied Territory" it seems the natives have fled to ....well right here.
        ...........and the usual Elan Lovin Trolls right with them.
        If all of this Attention were over in the Elan Forum, then when you Google "Elan School" it would be seen.
        However it gives no attention to shutting down Elan over in this forum.
        What is a freedom loving person and their merry band of trolls to do?
        I say we return the "Occupied Territory" back to it's original state of Freedom.
        Tell NORTH KOREA AND THEIR DAYTOPIAN DICTATORS RULES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CESSPOOL!
        3 RULES
        1. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
        2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH
        3. ONLY SPAM AND TUB GIRL WILL BE DELETED
        :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  

        Felice,
        I will probably get kicked in the teeth for this but this happens to be one of the longest and most articulate posts concerning the essence of what you stand for, that I have ever read on this site.  I Thank You.....
         Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: karen p on March 29, 2010, 12:07:48 PM
        :on phone:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on March 29, 2010, 12:17:38 PM
        Quote from: "Antigen"
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        The original context of the quote specifically addressed flooding, and flooding alone.

        Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.
        I'm thinking that too. The main problem with declaring a rule against things like personal attacks is that perception of a personal attack is extremely subjective. Especially in this context because there are so many inside references going back to traumatic events of the past.
        Folks do have their triggers!  :D
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 29, 2010, 12:26:58 PM
        [
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 29, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
        :soapbox
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 29, 2010, 12:35:37 PM
        :feedtrolls:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 29, 2010, 12:37:12 PM
        :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: karen p on March 29, 2010, 02:03:35 PM
        :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 29, 2010, 03:03:00 PM
        Re:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 29, 2010, 03:28:01 PM
        :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 29, 2010, 05:27:23 PM
        ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 30, 2010, 08:46:30 AM
        :peace:  :jamin:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 30, 2010, 09:41:14 AM
        [quote
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on March 30, 2010, 03:54:19 PM
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        Quote from: "Antigen"
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        The original context of the quote specifically addressed flooding, and flooding alone.

        Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.
        I'm thinking that too. The main problem with declaring a rule against things like personal attacks is that perception of a personal attack is extremely subjective. Especially in this context because there are so many inside references going back to traumatic events of the past.
        Folks do have their triggers!  :D


        Boy...you ain't just whistlin dixie.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 30, 2010, 06:08:00 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :feedtrolls:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 30, 2010, 06:09:59 PM
        :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 30, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
        e:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 30, 2010, 06:27:07 PM
        by
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Lynn Johnson on March 30, 2010, 06:54:53 PM
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhwbxEfy7fg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhwbxEfy7fg)


        Art/Danny enjoy  :tup:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Lynn Johnson on March 30, 2010, 06:56:48 PM
        Johnny Jerkie me off found one of you at the bar..is that Danny on the left of you..are those diapers omfg guys get a grip.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKJadLUoGF0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKJadLUoGF0)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on April 03, 2010, 09:38:34 AM
        :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on April 03, 2010, 10:16:32 AM
        No- body has ran away ,just dont want to participate in the show, 4or 5 of us have shut down the bull-shit for now.There wont be responses to any negativity or other-wise.posts.We find it more entertaining to watch the instigators talk to themselves and it seems to be working fine.Demanding apologizes,[thats rich lol ].So that being said have your fun playing by yourself folks,We wont be feeding into it,any more. We have already selected the people to go forward with the Elan plan,No more applications will be taken sorry.Anyone else will need to start there own crusade,and plan on how to close Elan.The person we have spoken with doesn't want negative or instigating people involved. And no its not an author for a book,We arent really looking for a book Ha Ha. Anyone involved in the types of places like Elan,already know about abuse. A book is just repetition.We are working on a much better thing.Having the insults and negative words only help us along, especially when the attacks come from former staff of the places we speak of. That proves our  stories and adds credibility that the people we speak of still exist and act the same as they did at Elan or there perspective institution. That sick minds never heal.So please keep the show going we need the press, We copy and paste and move on our given task. Attacks just let the ones we talk to see the craziness of the places like Elan, and what vipers they breaded and formed.We invite the criticism and views, and so does everyone else, Especially the ones that come out of the wood work just looking to find conversation and bonding of other complainers and winers. They are the best, They show up with the same type of complaining bull-shit they did back in 02 about  some other people, they criticized the site and the directors etc. :waaaa:  :waaaa: I dont think they remember thier posts and other action. Most of all that no one cares about there opinions,They are taged a winer and that its.So they to are fun to watch, Your not the one I am talking about Art,this is someone that makes you look like a nice guy. But have fun all you are helping in your own way and thank you.P.S. please respond with something really nasty or degrading if you could, light the site up today with all of your wisdoms..We love the show, but wont participate in hatred or nastiness. We just want to see what the winers are complaining about.After all, this stuff takes away from the purpose of the site,or some crap like that the winers cry. So continue with the distraction you complain about we love it Thanks. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 06, 2010, 09:24:10 AM
        :cheers: Great video Felice, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on April 06, 2010, 10:37:01 AM
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        :cheers: Great video Felice, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:

        Thanks Mark, the next one will be even better! :clown:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 06, 2010, 07:27:19 PM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        :cheers: Great video Felice, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:

        Thanks Mark, the next one will be even better! :clown:
        Felice awesome video.....it is excellent.  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on April 07, 2010, 11:11:52 AM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        :cheers: Great video Felice, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:

        Thanks Mark, the next one will be even better! :clown:
        Felice awesome video.....it is excellent.  :cheers:


        Agreed!  Very cool!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 12, 2010, 11:35:20 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:
        Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Post by: Joel on April 12, 2010, 11:37:24 PM
        Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 12, 2010, 11:39:43 PM
        Thanks
        Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Post by: Joel on April 13, 2010, 01:59:20 PM
        Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on April 13, 2010, 02:07:19 PM
        Quote from: "Joel"
        :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  
         ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::
         ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
         :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:

         :shamrock:  :shamrock:
         
        Grow up someday!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Danny
        Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Post by: Joel on April 13, 2010, 02:21:43 PM
        Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 14, 2010, 10:02:18 AM
        by
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on April 14, 2010, 10:43:48 AM
        Didn't I just read that exact post in a different thread?  In fact, a thread of its own?  What's with all the cross-posting lately?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 14, 2010, 08:58:40 PM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Didn't I just read that exact post in a different thread?  In fact, a thread of its own?  What's with all the cross-posting lately?
        Yes I agree and it makes it very difficult to even keep up half the time were to respond or not respond too. Massive adding to confusion
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 15, 2010, 10:24:40 AM
        [quote=
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: kirstin on April 15, 2010, 10:27:10 AM
        Sir Babitz what do you think about therapy?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 15, 2010, 01:33:15 PM
        Quote from: "kirstin"
        Sir Babitz what do you think about therapy?
        michelle what do you think about therapy???
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: kirstin on April 15, 2010, 01:41:22 PM
        Who is Michelle?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on April 15, 2010, 02:06:00 PM
        Where's Waldo?

         :seg2:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 16, 2010, 08:51:26 AM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 16, 2010, 09:48:40 AM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Where's Waldo?

         :seg2:
        Last I saw Waldo he was in Colorado ...think Ute Mountain Casino..lmao
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 16, 2010, 03:21:21 PM
        :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: justonemore on April 16, 2010, 08:34:50 PM
        mark. i wouldn't bother except it keeps re-appearing, and frankly, i'm not that great a writer though of course i'd like to think i am, but quoting me ad nausuem , well enough's enough. If you'd like to argue, well come on come on. It's how we learn. but be open in your argument, feel free to slam me, but don't threaten, and be willing to be wrong.J.O.M.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 16, 2010, 09:32:40 PM
        [quote
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: justonemore on April 16, 2010, 09:59:44 PM
        Thanks, and we'll call it square for now, and fight in future. Fair enough? i hope so, fer I love a good argument J.O.M
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 17, 2010, 08:56:29 AM
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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 17, 2010, 09:22:00 AM
        viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30284 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30284)   :beat: An example of someone who has nothing intelligent to say. :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 17, 2010, 09:27:05 AM
        :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 17, 2010, 08:03:19 PM
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        :rocker: But thats what keep ,the weak going,. On the world wide web they have that audience they crave and cant find in the regular world,so they seek strangers for support, I wonder how they go about dating ??. Maybe on the internet too, after all they can be who ever they want up to the date, and then always cancel.I am glad I dont have to hide. :cheers: :cheers:

        So says the guy that spent the afternoon researching posts from a week ago... while it was one of the most beautiful days of the year. Mark you are a freaking Fraud. Go seek your attention .. we understand. We have all seen your kind before.
        I love the whole act that you got going on here. Who do you think you are kidding ?
        you are a loser
        a fraud
        and a coward.. A troll on the net. Speaking of being anyone on the internet. How many names did you make up for yourself,before being banned from fornits f/b page. Was it 7 ? 10 ? You are one funny,dishonest,lying sack of shit
        Did ya get a job yet  ?
        LOL
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 18, 2010, 11:35:10 AM
        ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse:: ART :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on April 18, 2010, 11:48:30 AM
        I agree; this dead horse of a thread is decomposing, and stinking to high heaven. It's funny how it just keeps going on and on, blah blah blah. Get me the fuck out of Bickerville. Stop me before i hurt myself. Everyone posting on this thread should do something else with their time, myself included. This will be my last post in regard to this bs, I sincerely hope.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 18, 2010, 12:04:22 PM
        Ahhhhh
        The other Liar ! :soapbox:
        How suprising that Sharon is here to seek attention right along with her pal Babbletits.
         :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Two coward,Two Liars.. You two should get married,and have lots of kids
        Could you tell a few lies this morning to make my point for me ?
        Like you have done over and over ?
        Cmon... Just one little one
         ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Try not to shit yourself today girls
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 20, 2010, 08:54:18 AM
        :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 20, 2010, 09:45:55 AM
        ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: ART ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls: ART :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 21, 2010, 08:54:55 AM
        :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: kirstin on April 21, 2010, 08:58:30 AM
        :beat:  :bump:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :on phone:  :notworthy:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :jawdrop:  :timeout:  :birthday:  :deal:  :seg2:  :seg:  :shamrock:  :poison:  :nods:  :eek:  :cheers:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :feedtrolls:  :beat:  :bump:  :rocker:  :clown:  :tup:  :heartbreak:  :rofl:  :peace:  :jamin:  :whip:  :boycott:  :agree:  :lala:  :rose:  :dose:  :roflmao:  :spam:  :flame:  :flip:  :cheers:  :trophy:  :)  :sue:  ::puke::  ;)  :bs:  :wall:  :rasta:  ;D  >:(  :moon:  :(  :smashcomp:  :o  :hug:  :blabla:  8)  ???  :guesswho:  :jerry:  ::)  :cry:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 21, 2010, 09:30:25 AM
        Stop the madness omfg I am going back to bed for a few hours this is completely uneducational and boring. Have a great day everyone and peace...I got to get ready for my trip. Hopefully half of you will find a life today and find something productive to keep you busy. At this point if Art wants me to admit I fuck donkeys in my spare time just to shut him up I will omfg please the insanity is in droves around here. So Art, I apologize for whatever you claim I did , you are right lolz . Now is that good enough for you sweetie because this is getting ridiculous. I apologize for whatever ok now quit. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: kirstin on April 21, 2010, 09:35:46 AM
        Sharon I hope you don't have internet access on your vacation because your propraganda poisons our minds.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: kirstin on April 22, 2010, 07:51:32 AM
        :suicide:  :twofinger:  :on phone:  :notworthy:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :timeout:  :birthday:  :deal:  :seg2:  :eek:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 22, 2010, 08:47:49 AM
        Quote from: "kirstin"
        :suicide:  :twofinger:  :on phone:  :notworthy:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :timeout:  :birthday:  :deal:  :seg2:  :eek:
        Hahahahahahahaha so witty this morning. I still got that business card for you dear. :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 22, 2010, 08:55:45 AM
        [quote
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 22, 2010, 10:29:31 AM
        LOL
        These two.... Sharon the Drama Queen Victim.. and Babbletits the Fraud !
        Gotta be the biggest losers on the planet.
        Marky
        Our pal asked me about ya the other day. I guess after being busted in a lie (one of many) its too hard to show your face.
        Not to mention you are a coward
        Arent you on vacation yet Sharon ? Is that slang for you going to prison ? I think you liked it there. You certainly promote the attitude like every other ex-con I ever met
        The rent in your heads is mighty cheap these days
        Losers
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on April 22, 2010, 10:39:04 AM
        (http://http://planetross.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fighting1.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 22, 2010, 01:56:45 PM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        (http://http://planetross.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fighting1.jpg)

        There there Anne. Someone will want to play with you. Its just not me.
        Only 10 minutes for a reply ? You are slipping girl.. Its almost,as if you had a life.
        That couldnt be true.. at least not a quality of life I would admire..
        Maybe some of the other trolls will get you that well sought-attention you seem to crave.
        Go Anne !
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 23, 2010, 08:43:42 AM
        :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :cheers:  :cheers: :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 23, 2010, 05:25:53 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/04/13/26359.htm (http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/04/13/26359.htm)  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: kirstin on April 23, 2010, 10:10:04 PM
        :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 24, 2010, 12:08:48 PM
        boring  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 24, 2010, 01:47:41 PM
        :jawdrop: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ou ... elan&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ou4pAAAAIBAJ&sjid=SGUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3156,1606388&dq=sharon+terry+elan&hl=en)  :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 25, 2010, 09:27:47 AM
        Still boring..lmao
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 25, 2010, 12:22:56 PM
        agreed
        Could you or Marky come up with some new lies. Maybe something we havent heard yet.
        Whats boring is your behavior. How about that apology to the Admin here at Fornits for your little tantrum ?
        Here's some attention for you .. MMM KKKay ?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 25, 2010, 02:05:18 PM
        No I will just let you lie your ass off a bit longer Art ...lmao
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 26, 2010, 07:08:14 AM
        Awwe Sharon
        You cant pin that Liar thing on me darlin. I tell the truth. I dont have any fake sisters/family members. I dont create hate groups. I dont seek attention on an anonymous forum.When I am wrong,I promptly admit it. I could go on but really, you have become very boring... Beyond your attention seeking antics.
        Now Marky.. Same deal. He's mad at me from Elan (according to his own words) but we have never met. Went to Maine different years. Marky is especially mad that I busted him in front of his and my pal. He too should learn not to lie
        Christ Marky... arent you 50 yrs old ? Still playing little girl games..
        You two are Toxic/Caustic
        Werent you going on vacation Sharon ? We were hoping you would go some place without internet access. That way you wouldnt be able to bore us with any more of your lies.
        this can end any time you like girls. You know what you have to do. Its the right thing to do.for once in your miserable lives..
        Tell the truth
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 26, 2010, 04:41:02 PM
        Hey Marky
        Could you enlighten us as to who Gary Stadler is ?
        Thanks Marky
        You can go back to serviceing the homeless men in Fox Lake
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 28, 2010, 01:08:46 PM
        BORING
        Title: waste of space
        Post by: Froderik on April 28, 2010, 04:43:51 PM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        BORING
        I agree, i would not mind if one of the admins deleted this whole thread.
        Title: Re: waste of space
        Post by: mark babitz on April 28, 2010, 08:08:47 PM
        [quote:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 29, 2010, 07:23:05 AM
        Those who troll ?
        LOL
        Marky.. I mean Jeff Cooper.. I mean Gary..Umm Gerald.. I could go on but..
        Who would be shitting who Babbletits?
        Again playing the fraud.. and winning...
        Prove you right ? About what Marky ?
        Being an unemployed loser, that sits home smoking dope playing "Puter" ? Attacking people who you dont know,then lying about it ? You are a coward ! At the very least... That is something your partner Sharon is not. Ask her.. She'll tell you all about her "Balls"
        I think we have covered this before.. but here's a reminder
        You are a Zero. A loser,Liar,Cheat,and a thief
        Try not to shit yourself today girls
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 29, 2010, 01:56:27 PM
        ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: ART ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: DANNY ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: BORING ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: GETTING OLD GUYS ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: YOU GUYS ARE FIFTY SOMETHING NOT TWO ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: SCRATCH N SNIFF BOYS ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: BORING AND LIARS ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: GET LIVES ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 29, 2010, 03:04:43 PM
        I only have a couple comments to add Sharon
        1) am only 46... posting more mis-information   what a shocker !
        2)wow the intellignece.. for the love of Mike.. Find the spellcheck key
        3) Take danny's advice... Go hug your babies....
        4)
        WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
        Can I get you some cheese with that whine ?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 29, 2010, 03:43:20 PM
        :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall: His Superior Arty has spoken...big fucken deal 4 years off 46 wow. Thanks for admitting your age for everyone.....I was 17, you were an adult nice one good going ARTY. I was a minor, you were an adult slime ball. :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 29, 2010, 04:44:55 PM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall: His Superior Arty has spoken...big fucken deal 4 years off 46 wow. Thanks for admitting your age for everyone.....I was 17, you were an adult nice one good going ARTY. I was a minor, you were an adult slime ball. :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:
        LOOOOOOOOL
        You really had to reach for that one huh Sharon...25 yrs. I think you should choose a different weapon hun. That one is kinda dull.. Like your personality

        Is that all you got.. You angry bitch
        Looks like you havent closed your legs since. I bet you can suck a golf ball through a garden hose in 3 seconds.
        You are so very un-impressive.
        Sorry you are having a bad day. Maybe you should sue me or something.Or better yet...Whine some more .. Definately entertaining.
        If your life is so wonderful... Why all the anger and bile ? Oh I get it.. Its being busted in so many lies.... you and your partner Marky (suck a cock) babbletits
        I am fairly certain the readers here have you all figured out by now
        The truth shall set you free
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on May 01, 2010, 07:56:04 AM
        Poor Marky (liar,cheater,common thief,criminal)
        I would like to be sorry about you running off like this, but thats what cowards do. Is it really that hard to act like a person ?
        Is your life really that bad that you cannot admit a role in this ? Are you so small that when you are busted.. You cannot just say.. Ok, I was wrong,sorry" or something to that effect ? Dont you think the gesture would be the right thing to do ?
        Not for my benefit.. I could care less. But you caused many others to suffer
        Maybe I am wrong,to think,you had it in you,to be an honest man. Same deal goes for Sharon. Your ego's must be way big.
        Funny thing about ego. When all else fails... Blame it on someone else.
        Well Marky.. Look at it this way. Fornits isnt the only place you have been kicked out of.. I am guessing its not the last place you will be kicked out of either
        50 years old and still whacked.. Them folks in Poland Springs must be extra proud of you. You are a great example of failure !
        Goes double for you Sharon !
        My job is done
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on May 01, 2010, 09:11:56 AM
        :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger: ARTY POOR BABY ARTY still a cry the blues. :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs: Scratch n sniff ART :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon: GET THERAPY ART ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on May 01, 2010, 09:14:27 AM
        :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on May 01, 2010, 06:08:40 PM
        Sorry Sharon
        I dont know what the scratch and sniff thing means.. But as long as you are spinning,and seeking attention
        here's some for you
        How about another thread full of lies .. Been a few days since I called you out on them,and you threw a tantrum.
        Great Icons
        Too bad you lack command of the English language to write something noteworthy
        Like the truth.. You just want to piss and moan about Art
        I am flattered.. But if you must know. I prefer the type of woman who is a LADY
        You are not qualified
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on May 01, 2010, 09:59:45 PM
        :twofinger:  :twofinger: ART :twofinger:  :twofinger:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on May 09, 2010, 07:56:32 AM
        :jawdrop: WOW !!!! :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on May 10, 2010, 08:51:50 AM
        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Sent: less than a minute ago   
        From: Jeffery   
        To: liarsexposed

        liarsexposed wrote:
        Subject: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

        Jeffery wrote:
        :jawdrop: WOW !!!!


        Knew you couldnt stay away for too long you fuckin attention seeking coward
        Happy with how this all turned out ?
        I blame this deal with Sharon on you .. And everyone else knows it you piece of shit
        Fucking pansy :cheers:  :cheers:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:

           :jawdrop:  Go find a life ass hole    Fuck you and your Sharon bashing, does your cunt at home know how you stalk Sharon :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on May 10, 2010, 08:55:31 AM
        search.php?author_id=6073&sr=posts (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/search.php?author_id=6073&sr=posts) :soapbox:  :soapbox: Read the crap you put out on the web and you expect people to respect you, your an animal.You stalk Sharon and the Babbitz  guy like and ass-hole .I find you amusing and sickening, I am waiting for you to step in the hole , and I will have the internet Police up your ass so far, you and your boss at the junk yard wont know what to do. I hope you both have fun with how you abuse Sharon and her kids, but one day someone is going to walk into Route 12 auto parts in Richmond Ill and arrest  you and your boss Eric K. for cyber bullying etc. I bet Eric will love that, after all that would make the local paper at the least. I think you need some internet law courses and at the rate you travel you will get your education yet. So go back in your hole Art your way over due.Thank you Sharon for your previous posts with the IP addresses and addresses of Art. It will make the polices job much easier. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: RavingMad on May 10, 2010, 09:01:20 AM
        oh and did FELICE come clean yet in her involvement?? I think Jeffrey needs to go see Felice's motives. Think she is in love with ART to do what she did. A wise man once said Google her name and like a dumb fuck me and many over looked it. That wise man needs to know he was right and never again shall anyone challenge his wisdom.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: RavingMad on May 10, 2010, 09:02:21 AM
        btw my mom is doing good. for all that give a fuck
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on May 10, 2010, 09:28:28 AM
        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Sent: 17 minutes ago   
        From: liarsexposed   
        To: Jeffery

        Whats wrong Marky ?
        Trouble with telling the truth still ? At 50 yrs old ?
        There was a time,when I didnt know you,or what you were about. But thats over. You are a coward. A Lying,cheating coward. A common criminal. This is on you pal. You started something you couldnt finish. Your mouth writing checks your body cannot cash. If you were such a toughguy, you would have proved it
        You know where I am at,you know where I live. Put up or Shut the fuck up, :cheers:  :fuckoff:  First off if I was closer to you I would confront you face to face, with the Police to have you arrested. I am not who you think and dont know Marky, And to invite someone out to see you is quite amusing, Do you think you could trap somebody that easy.Any tough guys I know wouldn't take the time to bother with someone like you, in fear you would call the police as you said you did when found scared with your girl friend. If that story is even true. You need to cop to your guilt big mouth.And leave people alone.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: RavingMad on May 10, 2010, 10:57:59 AM
        just sick very sick. and fornits allows this guy to remain for years. whos next on his pole of attacks? sick and irresposible to allow a guy for years to do this.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on May 10, 2010, 10:59:58 AM
        Quote from: "RavingMad"
        just sick very sick. and fornits allows this guy to remain for years. whos next on his pole of attacks? sick and irresposible to allow a guy for years to do this.


        What part of OPEN, UNMODERATED do you not understand????
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: RavingMad on May 10, 2010, 11:28:50 AM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "RavingMad"
        just sick very sick. and fornits allows this guy to remain for years. whos next on his pole of attacks? sick and irresposible to allow a guy for years to do this.


        What part of OPEN, UNMODERATED do you not understand????
        eeee what i find funny is half of you bitch about elan threads but always seem to manage to get involved.

        Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora
        An open discussion about the troubled parent industry


        that is what is claims and says. a decetful advertizing.

        and i will be here until stupid shit comes down that has been asked nicely to that hurts an individual. is it normal practice to allow mentioning of an 8 year old that hurt no one? did anyone stand up for my brother who was attacked last week. NO NO NO so all you that claim to be for the kids are hypocrites. I would of thought you Anne would of stood up for a child. a child. regardless of the parent. double standards are in full bloom around here. i will stay to be watching gathering more evidence. until then i guess since i got to tolerate you all you all got to tolerate me. free speech got out of hand. Mexicans, Homos, individuals. I called Elan today since no one wanted to tell me or answer questions about the school. i heard their version of things. they now know about fornits and are looking today. good luck with that everyone..hitting people blindly that is the style around here. they got a whole other story a completely different version then everyone here. so anne since elan discussion annoys you you should really sit back and ignore the threads. i got a right to be here like everyone else. including you.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on May 10, 2010, 12:17:51 PM
        Quote from: "RavingMad"

        Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora
        An open discussion about the troubled parent industry


        that is what is claims and says. a decetful advertizing.

        How so?  Is it not a forum discussing the troubled parent/teen industry?  Do you have reading comprehension skills?

        Quote
        and i will be here until stupid shit comes down that has been asked nicely to that hurts an individual.

        It's an open discussion but you want to be able to control what is and is not posted???  Do you not see the dichotomy?
        Quote

         is it normal practice to allow mentioning of an 8 year old that hurt no one? did anyone stand up for my brother who was attacked last week. NO NO NO so all you that claim to be for the kids are hypocrites.

        I have no idea what you're talking about or who your brother is.  Fine, call us hypocrites......it's an OPEN DISCUSSION!!  Butch up baby girl!

        Quote
        I would of thought you Anne would of stood up for a child. a child.

        Again....I have no idea what you're talking about.  When and where did I attack an 8 year old?

        Quote
        regardless of the parent. double standards are in full bloom around here. i will stay to be watching gathering more evidence.


         :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

        Evidence for what purpose?  Are you gonna call the police because someone said something that hurt your feelings?  What color is the sky in your world?

         
        Quote
        until then i guess since i got to tolerate you all you all got to tolerate me. free speech got out of hand. Mexicans, Homos, individuals. I called Elan today since no one wanted to tell me or answer questions about the school. i heard their version of things. they now know about fornits and are looking today.

        Babygirl, they've known about Fornits for a very long time and have been looking and reading for a very long time.  Try and keep up.

        Quote
        good luck with that everyone..hitting people blindly that is the style around here. they got a whole other story a completely different version then everyone here. so anne since elan discussion annoys you

        Actually, it's become quite amusing.

        Quote
        you should really sit back and ignore the threads. i got a right to be here like everyone else. including you.

        Of course you do, but when you make the claim that "no one in their right mind" stays and then you, ummmm, stay...well....
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SUCK IT on May 10, 2010, 03:16:37 PM
        Looks like Manne Conney is trolling more people to try to get someone to talk to him (anne the manne!)

        Hey Manne I checked your post history and it says you made a bunch of posts over the weekend, is that right? What about your life of fun and sun, beaches and boating?? Pretty sad you have nothing better to do on weekends than argue with random people on fornits about where children should go when they are troubled.
         :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on May 11, 2010, 08:43:38 AM
        :jawdrop: WOW  :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: RavingMad on May 11, 2010, 08:44:56 AM
        Jeffrey where are you. these dummies need some real education today. oh call me later btw and mom to . i got the shizzle to tell you.  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on May 12, 2010, 10:37:52 AM
        Quote from: "RavingMad"
        Jeffrey where are you. these dummies need some real education today. oh call me later btw and mom to . i got the shizzle to tell you.  :rocker:

         :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on May 17, 2010, 03:53:33 PM
        :peace:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: alcoholics anonymous on May 17, 2010, 04:13:14 PM
        (http://http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l00oxkVNi61qb5f7vo1_500.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on May 19, 2010, 09:42:22 AM
        :soapbox:  :peace:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on May 20, 2010, 09:13:45 AM
        Why has everyone quit  talking about Elan ?? No fights no fun ?? Thats a shame  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak: , If folks cant fight they cant speak, Shame there aren't more multi talkers out there that can fight Elan and the rest around them . :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: You wanted the best, you got the best...
        Post by: Froderik on May 20, 2010, 10:35:52 AM
        I don't know, but on an unrelated note...you have me to thank for that Gene Simmons avatar...lol...I uploaded it a while back...enjoy!!!
        Title: Re: You wanted the best, you got the best...
        Post by: Jeffery on May 20, 2010, 05:35:24 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        I don't know, but on an unrelated note...you have me to thank for that Gene Simmons avatar...lol...I uploaded it a while back...enjoy!!!
        :rocker:  :rocker: Thank you it a great shot of Gene.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on May 24, 2010, 10:44:40 AM
        :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  I have said from the start Danny is probably Marty or a Disciple of, Marty went Evanston township school,in the early 70s, and then somehow turned up in Elan, Kruglik is a common Jewish name, I think he might have been adopted he said once. I have studied old Pan Face for some time now and I think Danny whom ever he is, is Marty's personal Troll. Danny is very needy and try's to come off real informed but no one seems to remember him.But yet he knows so much about everyone,???. I draw one conclusion. I have been nice to him and have treated him like shit as I am sure you have seen.But he always runs to the fight. I have never seen him post anything harmful to Elan or any real good poop. He does allot of evasive speculation and try"s to control the room. He is the[ Frank Burns] from Mash, of the internet. He cannot be offended or chased away, I have and others have tried. He is here for a purpose,and wont leave.I found him fun to use as a sounding board when I was stressed,There was nothing you could say to make him run away,Now think about it , who else could you do that to,??,. Anyone else would never speak to you again,but not Durable Danny.     :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 25, 2010, 01:19:41 PM
        Old pan face. :rofl:  :rofl: If Danny isn't Marty, then Marty either bribed him to post here, but I really can't see anyone want to do that for such little pocket change, seeing how poor TCK is. So my other conclusion would be, Marty threatened him with acts of rape and sodomy. Old fry pan face, swollen hand, fuck tard Marty is most likely desperate because his job my soon be in jeapordy seeing elan has been loosing lots of money over the last decade. And the Terry Witch probably ordered Joe's butler/slave injun (Marty) to find some former brain washed elanistonians, to work at anti-elan forums and poise as pro-elaners and distort the truth and cover up any negative story about elan. Marty loves a good ole fashined teen dick in his mouth and can't resists a good ole fashion smearing of tatanka turds all over himself.
        Me suh Marty fry pan face, me suh like to lick hair balls. Hi yuh yuh yuh!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: clitoritis on May 25, 2010, 02:27:10 PM
        [EDITED Sunday, August 29, 2010]
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on May 25, 2010, 02:27:23 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Old pan face. :rofl:  :rofl: If Danny isn't Marty, then Marty either bribed him to post here, but I really can't see anyone want to do that for such little pocket change, seeing how poor TCK is. So my other conclusion would be, Marty threatened him with acts of rape and sodomy. Old fry pan face, swollen hand, fuck tard Marty is most likely desperate because his job my soon be in jeapordy seeing elan has been loosing lots of money over the last decade. And the Terry Witch probably ordered Joe's butler/slave injun (Marty) to find some former brain washed elanistonians, to work at anti-elan forums and poise as pro-elaners and distort the truth and cover up any negative story about elan. Marty loves a good ole fashined teen dick in his mouth and can't resists a good ole fashion smearing of tatanka turds all over himself.
        Me suh Marty fry pan face, me suh like to lick hair balls. Hi yuh yuh yuh!
        :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: clitoritis on May 25, 2010, 02:35:47 PM
        [EDITED Sunday, August 29, 2010]
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 25, 2010, 02:43:46 PM
        IMR "War Dance Lyrics"

        I'm a hi yuh yuh yuh Indian, and me suh like to fuck assholes.
        me suh's name is Marty Kruglik fry pan face, and me suh do what me suh's told.
        I worked for Joe Ricci as a servant, and even wiped his ass and nose.
        Me suh had a salary of $350 a week, and me suh was very proud and bold.

        Me suh like to facilitate teen ring bout fights and bet on them all.
        Me suh likes to watch a bigger teen beat the crap out of a smaller teen
        and me suh cheer and clap at it all.

        Because I'm a hi yuh yuh yuh yuh indian, and me suh like to sniff assholes.
        I'm a hi yuh yuh yuh yuh indian, and I like rubber dickies up my holes
        Hi chi hi chi yuh yuh yuh, hi chi chi yuh yuh yoo.

        Me suh worked at elan for most of my life and will continue to do so when me suh's old.
        Me suh like to brain wash little kids, and watch their lives unfold.
        Me suh teach the way of the Kruglik, and dance naked around a totem pole.

        Me suh go throw students personal belongings, and take what me suh wants.
        Then me suh blame a worker, and give me a GM.
        If GM is not effective enough, then me suh shoot worker down and corner him.

        Because I'm a hi yuh yuh yuh yuh indian, and me suh like to sniff assholes.
        I'm a hi yuh yuh yuh yuh indian, and I like rubber dickies up my holes
        Hi chi hi chi yuh yuh yuh, hi chi chi yuh yuh yoo.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 25, 2010, 02:49:39 PM
        What kind of businesses do you have there Danny Bendoverforkruglikson? Being a paid informant for elan and answering to the Kruglicker, doesn't constitute as a business.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on May 25, 2010, 06:25:07 PM
        Quote
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        What kind of businesses do you have there Danny Bendoverforkruglikson? Being a paid informant for elan and answering to the Kruglicker, doesn't constitute as a business.


         :shamrock:  :shamrock:

        Unless it is 6 figures.

        Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 26, 2010, 12:02:57 AM
        What? Kruglik uses 6 fingers on you?? OMG! That sick fuck! Well seeing he has swollen hands and fingers, I guess it would be kinda hard to use just one or two. :rofl: What does Kruglik do with the other 4 fingers? Are they reserved for himself cause you refuse to give him the courtesy of a reach around?  :rofl: Exactly how long have you been batting for Marty's team? :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: elangraduate on May 26, 2010, 12:27:26 AM
        Danny still hasn't told us what his business was.  What is your business Danny?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 27, 2010, 01:30:05 PM
        Danny's business? Tickle the hi yuh yuh mongoloid indians testicles with a feather.  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: elanasshole on May 29, 2010, 01:36:33 AM
        The Irish usually aren't great business people unless it relates to selling paramilitary weapons in Belfast.

         :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 03, 2010, 02:57:56 PM
        :jawdrop :Danny you have stamina  :cheers:  :beat:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 03, 2010, 03:21:12 PM
        :rocker: Danny tell them all to go to hell  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 03, 2010, 03:50:18 PM
        Hmm wonder which liar Jeffrey is pretending to be
        I guess if its Marky (suckacock) Babbletits
        Or Sharon VIctim
        Its still the same lies,same deciet,nothing has changed except your sceen name.
        Interesting how you spew one thing,then act like the morons you are
        Danny may be an idiot
        But you 2 are liars,cheaters,thieves without a shred of human decency
        thats why you whine on a website instead of changing your lives
        I have to think its easier
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 03, 2010, 08:45:07 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Hmm wonder which liar Jeffrey is pretending to be
        I guess if its Marky (suckacock) Babbletits
        Or Sharon VIctim
        Its still the same lies,same deciet,nothing has changed except your sceen name.
        Interesting how you spew one thing,then act like the morons you are
        Danny may be an idiot
        But you 2 are liars,cheaters,thieves without a shred of human decency
        thats why you whine on a website instead of changing your lives
        I have to think its easier
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: I don't know you, you sick fuck so find someone else to play with. I am not part of the[ Art  ] game, go stalk and molest someone else. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 03, 2010, 08:53:46 PM
        Quote from: "Jeffery"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Hmm wonder which liar Jeffrey is pretending to be
        I guess if its Marky (suckacock) Babbletits
        Or Sharon VIctim
        Its still the same lies,same deciet,nothing has changed except your sceen name.
        Interesting how you spew one thing,then act like the morons you are
        Danny may be an idiot
        But you 2 are liars,cheaters,thieves without a shred of human decency
        thats why you whine on a website instead of changing your lives
        I have to think its easier
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: I don't know you, you sick fuck so find someone else to play with. I am not part of the[ Art  ] game, go stalk and molest someone else. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
        AMEN :rasta: But Jeffrey sweetie what do expect from him, he is after all an ex staffer too...
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 03, 2010, 09:08:18 PM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Quote from: "Jeffery"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Hmm wonder which liar Jeffrey is pretending to be
        I guess if its Marky (suckacock) Babbletits
        Or Sharon VIctim
        Its still the same lies,same deciet,nothing has changed except your sceen name.
        Interesting how you spew one thing,then act like the morons you are
        Danny may be an idiot
        But you 2 are liars,cheaters,thieves without a shred of human decency
        thats why you whine on a website instead of changing your lives
        I have to think its easier
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: I don't know you, you sick fuck so find someone else to play with. I am not part of the[ Art  ] game, go stalk and molest someone else. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
        AMEN :rasta: But Jeffrey sweetie what do expect from him, he is after all an ex staffer too...
        :peace: Sharon thats why no one talks to him or responds to his stupid post, Danny just gets sucked in and can't help himself, He attacked me and I don't even know this ass-hole. I don't understand why Danny gives him the time of day unless it's a staffers creed, set forth by Big Powerful Joe, But even Danny is not as crude and belligerent as this guy, someone should talk to Ginger and Mike about him even being here. He is bad news. :rocker:  :peace:  :rocker:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 03, 2010, 09:15:59 PM
        Oh I totally agree with you no one responds to him at all and like madness he carries his conversations like his actually getting anywhere. I never laid eyes on Danny and really been a good 20 that I had dealings with the other staffer so it is all nonsense and baseless spew. Danny I believe wants some form of salvation but the other one wants vengance there is a huge difference.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 04, 2010, 07:14:00 AM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Oh I totally agree with you no one responds to him at all and like madness he carries his conversations like his actually getting anywhere. I never laid eyes on Danny and really been a good 20 that I had dealings with the other staffer so it is all nonsense and baseless spew. Danny I believe wants some form of salvation but the other one wants vengance there is a huge difference.
        :cheers:  You could'nt have put it any better,the one is suffering from some real issues.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 04, 2010, 12:06:24 PM
        Awwwe
        DId you 2 get your feelers hurt ?
        Try telling the truth.. It shall set you free
        Instead of posting as yourselves you have been reduced to trolling. Wasnt it you Sharon, who wrote post after post about trolls being bad  ? Dishonest ? Hurtful ?
        Now look at ya. Look at what you have been reduced to.
        We expect that outa your pal Babbletits. He is a known scumbag,liar,cheater,and thief
        I guess I had higher hopes for you Sharon
        Tho not suprised
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 04, 2010, 12:15:41 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Awwwe

        Instead of posting as yourselves you have been reduced to trolling.


        So then, "liarsexposed" is your real name?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: deja vu strippers on June 04, 2010, 12:44:28 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Awwwe
        DId you 2 get your feelers hurt ?
        Try telling the truth.. It shall set you free
        Instead of posting as yourselves you have been reduced to trolling. Wasnt it you Sharon, who wrote post after post about trolls being bad  ? Dishonest ? Hurtful ?
        Now look at ya. Look at what you have been reduced to.
        We expect that outa your pal Babbletits. He is a known scumbag,liar,cheater,and thief
        I guess I had higher hopes for you Sharon
        Tho not suprised

        Hello Art were you that faggot who complained to Angela Smith of Heal about an alleged rape?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 04, 2010, 12:46:51 PM
        6 minutes Anne?
        You are slipping
        If you only had something of value to contribute. Maybe I would be willing to participate.
        Pretty funny..  a troll defending a troll
        Go hug someone Anne. Gotta be better than reading the poison that spews from Marky and Sharon
        Vengence they say LOL
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 04, 2010, 12:48:41 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Go hug someone Anne.

        I'll go hug someone and you go call your sponsor.  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: deja vu strippers on June 04, 2010, 12:49:20 PM
        Art you're Jewish?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 04, 2010, 12:50:40 PM
        Wow a new acct b by another troll
        Shocking
        If you have a question Sharon.. Why not just ask me ?
        I am not your enemy
        You do enough damage to yourself,all by yourself
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 04, 2010, 12:51:21 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Wow a new acct b by another troll


        So then, "liarsexposed" is your real name?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: deja vu strippers on June 04, 2010, 12:51:40 PM
        Are you Jewish?  Please answer the question.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: deja vu strippers on June 04, 2010, 12:52:57 PM
        He's Danny I wouldn't be surprised.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 04, 2010, 12:55:54 PM
        Quote from: "deja vu strippers"
        He's Danny I wouldn't be surprised.


        Who, liarsexposed?  Nope...that's AA Art.  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 04, 2010, 01:00:20 PM
        Pretty sure the only cocksucker here is Marky Babbletits
        He is still in the closet about it
        But we know
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: deja vu strippers on June 04, 2010, 01:02:34 PM
        You didn't answer the question of being Jewish?  Don't evade the question jew banger.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 04, 2010, 01:06:24 PM
        You are  correct
        I was ignoring you
        Come talk shit to my face
        Bring a lunch troll
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 04, 2010, 01:09:01 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        You are  correct
        I was ignoring you
        Come talk shit to my face
        Bring a lunch troll


        Your subscription has been renewed......


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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: deja vu strippers on June 04, 2010, 01:15:00 PM
        Quote
        You are correct
        I was ignoring you
        Come talk shit to my face
        Bring a lunch troll

        Art you've always been a pussy.  Not much of a man either except when it comes to controlling younger women.  You'll have to live with it for the rest of your life.  Guilt, shame, flash backs, fear.....  Every time you look your kids in the eye you'll think of that younger lady Art.  That's a mistake you'll never be able to take back.  I will talk trash to you Art and will not settle for you evading my questions either.  Are you a Jew?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: deja vu strippers on June 04, 2010, 01:22:51 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        You are  correct
        I was ignoring you
        Come talk shit to my face
        Bring a lunch troll

        (http://http://forum.ntreev.net/pangya/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Discussions.Components.Files/11/6378.pedo-bear.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 04, 2010, 01:55:37 PM
        I am afraid I am fresh out of time for your insanity today Sharon
        Took part of the day off to play in the water.
        Any time you decide you have the  guts to speak face to face,and or back up what you have to say
        You know where I am at
        Anne... Thanks for letting me have a laugh at your expense as well
        This has been fun and refreshing
        Things that never change here at fornits.. Illness,and folks with no quality of life
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 04, 2010, 02:38:44 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Things that never change here at fornits.. Illness,and folks with no quality of life

        Hmmm... and yet you still don t feel good enough to play here.

        Paul
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 08, 2010, 05:05:54 PM
        Quote from: "deja vu strippers"
        quote]

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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 09, 2010, 01:47:46 AM
        :roflmao:  :roflmao: Ive been on vacation enjoying swimming and hot tubs...awesome food...awesome friends....excellent times...Yes Art is Jewish. No I am not responding or speaking to that tard. Once again ARTY thinks he knows all. Wasn't me...lmao was not me...been having a blast this week not concentrating on this headcase at all. Plus if I got something to say to the MF I would directly say it, I got nothing to hide. Fact is I do not want to even converse with the likes of this piss ant period. ARTY already knows I know he is Jewish so idk why he is playing around like he is. Duh get a clue I got nothing to say to him because he is nothing to me. Arty has more enemies then me so dont blame it on me...wasnt me..lmao wasnt me this time.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 09, 2010, 04:07:08 AM
        - Joke -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uieQJSaRXxk/SIUYE00z8tI/AAAAAAAAAmI/GAX_fuUXR0Q/s400/jew-in-vain-cartoon.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 09, 2010, 07:16:42 AM
        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me.  A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked.
        Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture.
        As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just that simple Sharon.. Oh ya.. and tell the truth darling.
        Another concept you cannot grasp..Still !
        OF course you would never sign in and post as someone else Sharon. You are way smarter than anyone here.
        Oy !
         :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
         ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Thats all the time I have for you this morning
        The truth shall set you free
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 09, 2010, 09:28:53 AM
        :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on June 09, 2010, 09:29:20 AM
        Quote from: "photo man"
        - Joke -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uieQJSaRXxk/SIUYE00z8tI/AAAAAAAAAmI/GAX_fuUXR0Q/s400/jew-in-vain-cartoon.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 09, 2010, 09:30:36 AM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me.  A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked.
        Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture.
        As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just that simple Sharon.. Oh ya.. and tell the truth darling.
        Another concept you cannot grasp..Still !
        OF course you would never sign in and post as someone else Sharon. You are way smarter than anyone here.
        Oy !
         :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
         ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Thats all the time I have for you this morning
        The truth shall set you free
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: Art your lucky someone hasn't sunk you on your boat you brag so much about or turned you into the Police yet. You are a vile disruptive person, you are committing internet crimes every time you speak,[ The Truth ]and who in the hell made you a lie-detector ?? and how do you know what the truth is ?? no one even responds to you at least not out in the open. You brag about being so successful, but say you work in a junk yard at the counter,????? Ok  Goober, I wouldn't brag about being the counter man in a junk yard, you must have the biggest trailer in the park too. I dont know you but I can see why you have such a people problem. You rant about injustice and this Sharon and Babblletits, Danny ,Fielic,etc  but no one really see's them even talk to you. You brag about the IRS I hope you know the guy and were he worked and can prove it,  The IRS can also come after you if the report was false or information was granted to you illegally. See only his employer would know if he had a tax issue or not. And if he gave you info like that you could both go to jail for identity theft and violations of the federal employment acts on privacy, I can't see him being dumb enough to brag about not paying taxes to anyone, and if he did fuck his dumb ass, But if he didnt watch yours and who ever told you that, you could be the one's with legal problems. I wish this forum would bring more positive and less negative, you claim to be so forthright and honest, so stand-up and right there for the group, Why dont you quit all the bashing and show the site that you are all who you claim to be. If others are bashing you show everyone how strong you are not to respond like an ass.After all isn't it the bigger person walks away?? Then when the other is left ,they look like the Ass and not you.?? [Think about it,or not]  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 09, 2010, 09:33:52 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me.  A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked.
        Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture.
        As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just that simple Sharon.. Oh ya.. and tell the truth darling.
        Another concept you cannot grasp..Still !
        OF course you would never sign in and post as someone else Sharon. You are way smarter than anyone here.
        Oy !
         :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
         ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Thats all the time I have for you this morning
        The truth shall set you free

        - Pork -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.thefoodguys.com/images/PorkChops.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 09, 2010, 09:40:42 AM
        Quote from: "photo man"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me.  A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked.
        Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture.
        As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just that simple Sharon.. Oh ya.. and tell the truth darling.
        Another concept you cannot grasp..Still !
        OF course you would never sign in and post as someone else Sharon. You are way smarter than anyone here.
        Oy !
         :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
         ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Thats all the time I have for you this morning
        The truth shall set you free

        - Pork -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.thefoodguys.com/images/PorkChops.jpg)


         :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 09, 2010, 09:44:01 AM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "photo man"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me.  A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked.
        Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture.
        As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just that simple Sharon.. Oh ya.. and tell the truth darling.
        Another concept you cannot grasp..Still !
        OF course you would never sign in and post as someone else Sharon. You are way smarter than anyone here.
        Oy !
         :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
         ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Thats all the time I have for you this morning
        The truth shall set you free

        - Pork -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.thefoodguys.com/images/PorkChops.jpg)


         :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: BIG STAFF DICK ARTSHOW TAKE 1 MILLION
        Post by: Eliscu2 on June 09, 2010, 09:44:55 AM
        :suicide:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 09, 2010, 09:48:13 AM
        - Vagina -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on June 09, 2010, 09:49:29 AM
        :suicide:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 09, 2010, 09:51:56 AM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "photo man"
        - Vagina -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.vagina-exam.com/images/vagina-exam.jpg)

        Wanna do Lunch Photo Man? :jawdrop:
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Now thats positive play LOL :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 09, 2010, 09:55:44 AM
        - Penis pump -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 09, 2010, 10:00:05 AM
        Old pan face shit dick kruglik likes to meditate in his tee pee and think up news ways to abuse the white mans teen. TCK's recent new abuse > Me suh going to have shotdowns clean me suh's pee pee after me suh fuck horse and/or buffalo, hi yuh yuh yuh yuh! Me suh also like to have anal sex with old over weight jewish men in a glorified row boat, hi yuh yuh yuh!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on June 09, 2010, 10:37:07 AM
        :suicide:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 09, 2010, 10:55:16 AM
        - Anal beads -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 09, 2010, 11:29:18 AM
        "Psy"
        Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever
        Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood.
        I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it if needed. If Sharon Shuts her mouth, I simply go away,you never hear from me again. Marky.. Another story. My finances (personal and business) are in order.
        I dont recall bragging about my success,but I could,because I am. Very few people could do what I do. I do work the counter sometimes tho. I like it. I like helping others. Ive been doing this job a long time and am very good at it. I produce 60-85k in revenue every month and I think my boss is pretty happy about it.
        As far as being the bigger person. That wouldnt be hard. This is Fornits. Worse yet.. Sharon and Mark. 2 low life's that just want to stir up trouble,then complain when it lands in their laps. They are ok spewing venom and bile,untill its turned around on them. Then they become victims. Hell Marky wont even see our pal in Fox Lake as a result of being caught in his lies.. To an outsider... Am still laughing at that one. at the lengths these 2 will go to to preserve their lies.
        Well thats all the time I have nfor you and Fornits today.
        BTW.. Just so you know. I have never had a pissing contest with Felice. She is perhaps one of my dearest friends,and for decades. Your info is,as usual,incorrect
        Try not to shit yourself today
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 09, 2010, 11:33:59 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        "Psy"
        Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever
        Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood.
        I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it if needed. If Sharon Shuts her mouth, I simply go away,you never hear from me again. Marky.. Another story. My finances (personal and business) are in order.
        I dont recall bragging about my success,but I could,because I am. Very few people could do what I do. I do work the counter sometimes tho. I like it. I like helping others. Ive been doing this job a long time and am very good at it. I produce 60-85k in revenue every month and I think my boss is pretty happy about it.
        As far as being the bigger person. That wouldnt be hard. This is Fornits. Worse yet.. Sharon and Mark. 2 low life's that just want to stir up trouble,then complain when it lands in their laps. They are ok spewing venom and bile,untill its turned around on them. Then they become victims. Hell Marky wont even see our pal in Fox Lake as a result of being caught in his lies.. To an outsider... Am still laughing at that one. at the lengths these 2 will go to to preserve their lies.
        Well thats all the time I have nfor you and Fornits today.
        BTW.. Just so you know. I have never had a pissing contest with Felice. She is perhaps one of my dearest friends,and for decades. Your info is,as usual,incorrect
        Try not to shit yourself today
        - Sinking boat -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://technology.sympatico.msn.ca/content/channels/technology/photography/WhatMakesAPhotoGood_BoatSinking.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 09, 2010, 11:37:43 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        "Psy"
        Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever
        Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood.
        I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it if needed. If Sharon Shuts her mouth, I simply go away,you never hear from me again. Marky.. Another story. My finances (personal and business) are in order.
        I dont recall bragging about my success,but I could,because I am. Very few people could do what I do. I do work the counter sometimes tho. I like it. I like helping others. Ive been doing this job a long time and am very good at it. I produce 60-85k in revenue every month and I think my boss is pretty happy about it.
        As far as being the bigger person. That wouldnt be hard. This is Fornits. Worse yet.. Sharon and Mark. 2 low life's that just want to stir up trouble,then complain when it lands in their laps. They are ok spewing venom and bile,untill its turned around on them. Then they become victims. Hell Marky wont even see our pal in Fox Lake as a result of being caught in his lies.. To an outsider... Am still laughing at that one. at the lengths these 2 will go to to preserve their lies.
        Well thats all the time I have nfor you and Fornits today.
        BTW.. Just so you know. I have never had a pissing contest with Felice. She is perhaps one of my dearest friends,and for decades. Your info is,as usual,incorrect
        Try not to shit yourself today
        :cheers: BIG STAFF DICK ARTSHOW TAKE 1 MILLION
        by Eliscu2 » Today, 14:44

        psy, wrote:
        psy, wrote:
        liarsexposed wrote:
        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me. A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked.
        Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture.
        As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just that simple Sharon.. Oh ya.. and tell the truth darling.
        Another concept you cannot grasp..Still !
        OF course you would never sign in and post as someone else Sharon. You are way smarter than anyone here.
        Oy !
             
                     
        Thats all the time I have for you this morning
        The truth shall set you free

           Art your lucky someone hasn't sunk you on your boat you brag so much about or turned you into the Police yet. You are a vile disruptive person, you are committing internet crimes every time you speak,[ The Truth ]and who in the hell made you a lie-detector ?? and how do you know what the truth is ?? no one even responds to you at least not out in the open. You brag about being so successful, but say you work in a junk yard at the counter,????? Ok Goober, I wouldn't brag about being the counter man in a junk yard, you must have the biggest trailer in the park too. I dont know you but I can see why you have such a people problem. You rant about injustice and this Sharon and Babblletits, Danny ,Vader's Kid, CEO of HELL
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        but no one really see's them even talk to you. You brag about the IRS I hope you know the guy and were he worked and can prove it, The IRS can also come after you if the report was false or information was granted to you illegally. See only his employer would know if he had a tax issue or not. And if he gave you info like that you could both go to jail for identity theft and violations of the federal employment acts on privacy, I can't see him being dumb enough to brag about not paying taxes to anyone, and if he did fuck his dumb ass, But if he didnt watch yours and who ever told you that, you could be the one's with legal problems. I wish this forum would bring more positive and less negative, you claim to be so forthright and honest, so stand-up and right there for the group, Why dont you quit all the bashing and show the site that you are all who you claim to be. If others are bashing you show everyone how strong you are not to respond like an ass.After all isn't it the bigger person walks away?? Then when the other is left ,they look like the Ass and not you.?? [Think about it,or not]      

        HEY PEDO....http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... AR#p365961 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30597&p=365961&hilit=PEDO+BEAR#p365961)
        You never confronted this....derail em just like a pro TROLL
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        Violent actions of the bad people
        Silence and indifference of the good people
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpZb-ciWXCA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpZb-ciWXCA)

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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on June 09, 2010, 01:17:53 PM
        YA HE TOTALLY MISSED THAT BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BUSY HATING....
        I DOUBT HE WILL READ IT OR EVEN FEEL GUILTY.
        HE WILL ATTACK ME NOW...HERE WE GO.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 09, 2010, 03:09:02 PM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        YA HE TOTALLY MISSED THAT BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BUSY HATING....
        I DOUBT HE WILL READ IT OR EVEN FEEL GUILTY.
        HE WILL ATTACK ME NOW...HERE WE GO.
        :cheers: I have read your post and his and you have defiantly tried to stop his crazy jabber Felice but he doesn't get it, he thinks the only people that dont want to hear his shit is Sharon and Mark ,Danny.Well he is wrong and thinks he is the upper crust here at fornits, or did he forget the trouble he caused them.?? He blames it on others but he is the one who acted. He has chastised the site directors openly and makes such an ass out of himself. This Sharon just bates him along like a little fish and he follows with just unbelievable words, he is lucky that someone hasn't called the police on him for cyber bulling. He is convinced that only two people troll him but yet he travels as a troll,??????. And rants about being on top and so honest, but yet he hide's behind a screen name, at least this Sharon Danny and Mark use their real names. I use a screen names until I know someone and then I inter duce myself. But this Art guy is over the top, I think Ginger and Mike have him here for total entertainment, as a reward for the ones he fucked over.Nothing else would make scene, they dont like him, and they have made that point very clear. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on June 09, 2010, 06:30:06 PM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        YA HE TOTALLY MISSED THAT BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BUSY HATING....
        I DOUBT HE WILL READ IT OR EVEN FEEL GUILTY.
        HE WILL ATTACK ME NOW...HERE WE GO.
        :cheers: I have read your post and his and you have defiantly tried to stop his crazy jabber Felice but he doesn't get it, he thinks the only people that dont want to hear his shit is Sharon and Mark ,Danny.Well he is wrong and thinks he is the upper crust here at fornits, or did he forget the trouble he caused them.?? He blames it on others but he is the one who acted. He has chastised the site directors openly and makes such an ass out of himself. This Sharon just bates him along like a little fish and he follows with just unbelievable words, he is lucky that someone hasn't called the police on him for cyber bulling. He is convinced that only two people troll him but yet he travels as a troll,??????. And rants about being on top and so honest, but yet he hide's behind a screen name, at least this Sharon Danny and Mark use their real names. I use a screen names until I know someone and then I inter duce myself. But this Art guy is over the top, I think Ginger and Mike have him here for total entertainment, as a reward for the ones he fucked over.Nothing else would make scene, they dont like him, and they have made that point very clear. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 09, 2010, 07:54:58 PM
        Hello ? This is the operator, I have an emergency break through for a Mr. Martin Kruglik. The emergency message reads like this....
        Hi yuh yuh yuh yuh, Hi yuh yuh yuh yuh, would you like to fuck a goat?
        Hi yuh yuh yuh yuh, Hi yuh yuh yuh yuh, I have a buffalo in heat!

        TCK> Me suh must take this call over weight jewish man in glorified row boat, hope you find love at plentyoffish website, hi yuh yuh yuh!
        TCK> How! This suh Martin Kruglik, hi yuh yuh yuh yuh. You suh got goat foe me suh to fuck? Hi yuh yuh yuh yuh..
        Caller> You're a filthy, pan faced, shit dick, animal beastiality, nut sucking, child abusing, swollen handed peice of shit with shit brown eyes, disgraced your kind by a derranged fecal obsession, hi yuh yuh mother fucker!
        TCK> Who suh this? Hi yuh yuh yuh yuh!!
        Caller> Your worst nightmare, hi yuh yuh man.
        TCK> Me suh have lots of nightmares, mainly of an older teen making me suh's inferiority complex get out of control, and me suh can't look up past floor, hi yuh yuh yuh.
        TCK> Is this suh Ken Taretzky? Me suh sorry for trying to fondle your groan area when you suh came up to visit 10 years ago. Me suh want to make it up to you and let you suh fuck me in me suh's poopy hole, hi yuh yuh yuh.
        Caller>  :on phone:  :moon:  :-*  :rocker:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 10, 2010, 08:58:42 AM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        YA HE TOTALLY MISSED THAT BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BUSY HATING....
        I DOUBT HE WILL READ IT OR EVEN FEEL GUILTY.
        HE WILL ATTACK ME NOW...HERE WE GO.
        :cheers: I have read your post and his and you have defiantly tried to stop his crazy jabber Felice but he doesn't get it, he thinks the only people that dont want to hear his shit is Sharon and Mark ,Danny.Well he is wrong and thinks he is the upper crust here at fornits, or did he forget the trouble he caused them.?? He blames it on others but he is the one who acted. He has chastised the site directors openly and makes such an ass out of himself. This Sharon just bates him along like a little fish and he follows with just unbelievable words, he is lucky that someone hasn't called the police on him for cyber bulling. He is convinced that only two people troll him but yet he travels as a troll,??????. And rants about being on top and so honest, but yet he hide's behind a screen name, at least this Sharon Danny and Mark use their real names. I use a screen names until I know someone and then I inter duce myself. But this Art guy is over the top, I think Ginger and Mike have him here for total entertainment, as a reward for the ones he fucked over.Nothing else would make scene, they dont like him, and they have made that point very clear. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

         :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: [He harrasses me by 6 a.m. every morning.
        I tell him to leave me alone, but he will not.
        Obviously he thinks I care to hear his hatefull drivvel every morning.
        If I forgive someone, he gets all upset and controlling.
        He must think he is STAFF! You should have seen the BS he sent me last week. UNREAL.
        He also will not address the PEDO-BEAR "incident".http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30597&p=365961&hilit=PEDO+BEAR#p365961
        Like an Elan Director, he focusus on what he wants to and your needs never matter.
        I think he forgot I was "Corner Girl" and did not take shit at 16....will not now!
        He can go around taking advantage of Women, but he never says "I'm Sorry I took advantage of you."
        He needs to abuse someone EVERY DAY.
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: Wow :jawdrop: Art it look like you have been exposed in a lie. Felice doesn't like you at all, as a matter of fact she doesn't seem to even want to hear from you.Sounds like you are stalking her,I wonder if she records everything you say for the record too. I bet her records and everyone else's are allot larger than yours. Do you want to talk about any other dear friends.Please come out to play Art. Maybe she will call the police, or someone will have the hard drive checked were you work at and have you and your boss arrested for cyber bulling and stalking. I think you have more to worry about than anyone you are harassing, Put that in your records, you will want that for court,LOL. you are a evil person and need to stop your vile harassment of others.No one is entertained and you are getting closer to that jail cell you belong in. Does your girlfriend know how you stalk woman and degrade them, I am sure she does but,then maybe an email might open her eyes to the real sick fuck you are. You forget Art you where staff at Elan and allot of people dont like you at all.And they watch you run around a play staff here. I dont know how Felice has been kind enough to even try to be a friend to you, must be the meds she was taking, Now that she stopped she can see, Felice is a bigger person than most and too good of a person for someone like you to have the right to call a friend. So stay off the bosses computer today and reflect on how you can be a better person or not. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 10, 2010, 09:32:13 AM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        YA HE TOTALLY MISSED THAT BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BUSY HATING....
        I DOUBT HE WILL READ IT OR EVEN FEEL GUILTY.
        HE WILL ATTACK ME NOW...HERE WE GO.
        :cheers: I have read your post and his and you have defiantly tried to stop his crazy jabber Felice but he doesn't get it, he thinks the only people that dont want to hear his shit is Sharon and Mark ,Danny.Well he is wrong and thinks he is the upper crust here at fornits, or did he forget the trouble he caused them.?? He blames it on others but he is the one who acted. He has chastised the site directors openly and makes such an ass out of himself. This Sharon just bates him along like a little fish and he follows with just unbelievable words, he is lucky that someone hasn't called the police on him for cyber bulling. He is convinced that only two people troll him but yet he travels as a troll,??????. And rants about being on top and so honest, but yet he hide's behind a screen name, at least this Sharon Danny and Mark use their real names. I use a screen names until I know someone and then I inter duce myself. But this Art guy is over the top, I think Ginger and Mike have him here for total entertainment, as a reward for the ones he fucked over.Nothing else would make scene, they dont like him, and they have made that point very clear. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

         :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: [He harrasses me by 6 a.m. every morning.
        I tell him to leave me alone, but he will not.
        Obviously he thinks I care to hear his hatefull drivvel every morning.
        If I forgive someone, he gets all upset and controlling.
        He must think he is STAFF! You should have seen the BS he sent me last week. UNREAL.
        He also will not address the PEDO-BEAR "incident".http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30597&p=365961&hilit=PEDO+BEAR#p365961
        Like an Elan Director, he focusus on what he wants to and your needs never matter.
        I think he forgot I was "Corner Girl" and did not take shit at 16....will not now!
        He can go around taking advantage of Women, but he never says "I'm Sorry I took advantage of you."
        He needs to abuse someone EVERY DAY.
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: Wow :jawdrop: Art it look like you have been exposed in a lie. Felice doesn't like you at all, as a matter of fact she doesn't seem to even want to hear from you.Sounds like you are stalking her,I wonder if she records everything you say for the record too. I bet her records and everyone else's are allot larger than yours. Do you want to talk about any other dear friends.Please come out to play Art. Maybe she will call the police, or someone will have the hard drive checked were you work at and have you and your boss arrested for cyber bulling and stalking. I think you have more to worry about than anyone you are harassing, Put that in your records, you will want that for court,LOL. you are a evil person and need to stop your vile harassment of others.No one is entertained and you are getting closer to that jail cell you belong in. Does your girlfriend know how you stalk woman and degrade them, I am sure she does but,then maybe an email might open her eyes to the real sick fuck you are. You forget Art you where staff at Elan and allot of people dont like you at all.And they watch you run around a play staff here. I dont know how Felice has been kind enough to even try to be a friend to you, must be the meds she was taking, Now that she stopped she can see, Felice is a bigger person than most and too good of a person for someone like you to have the right to call a friend. So stay off the bosses computer today and reflect on how you can be a better person or not. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        :waaaa:  :waaaa: [e: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        by liarsexposed » Yesterday, 16:29

        "Psy"
        Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever
        Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood.
        I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it if needed. If Sharon Shuts her mouth, I simply go away,you never hear from me again. Marky.. Another story. My finances (personal and business) are in order.
        I dont recall bragging about my success,but I could,because I am. Very few people could do what I do. I do work the counter sometimes tho. I like it. I like helping others. Ive been doing this job a long time and am very good at it. I produce 60-85k in revenue every month and I think my boss is pretty happy about it.
        As far as being the bigger person. That wouldnt be hard. This is Fornits. Worse yet.. Sharon and Mark. 2 low life's that just want to stir up trouble,then complain when it lands in their laps. They are ok spewing venom and bile,untill its turned around on them. Then they become victims. Hell Marky wont even see our pal in Fox Lake as a result of being caught in his lies.. To an outsider... Am still laughing at that one. at the lengths these 2 will go to to preserve their lies.
        Well thats all the time I have nfor you and Fornits today.
        BTW.. Just so you know. I have never had a pissing contest with Felice. She is perhaps one of my dearest friends,and for decades. Your info is,as usual,incorrect
        Try not to shit yourself today
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         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Is that your dear friend talking about you Arty,?? don't sound like love ,sounds like she doesn't want be to apart of your [Hate] or life in general. Felice has here share of arguments, I dont see her coming out sick on people like you and I know she is not that kind of person. Remember it was the ass-holes like you that kept her in that corner and mocked and tormented her at Elan and to pleasure in her displeasure. But she probably deserved it, she was just a smart -ass Jew kid from Winnetka. well so was I.  What was your excuse little rich kid from Highland Park, Family owned  one of the largest parts catalog co in ill at the time. How did you fall from grace,??. Why would you think your above anyone here, we were all at Elan, and suffered like Felice at the hands of you and the Zeretsky's of Elan. How do you stand here on a survivors forum and rant about how great you are and superior,?? You are still staff and prove it every time you speak. I have never seen you nice or agreeable with anyone. I have never seen you write a non bashing or constructive post to help anyone. You blame every response on someone else . {They said it first  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: } Grow up Arty or not.  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:                          Ps. nice lie about Felice being your best dearest friend. I hope you dont torment her today for not siding with you. :cheers:  :cheers:  Good standing up Felice and good luck paying the price through the wrath of Arty. Just remember there is [911] he wouldn't hesitate to do it to you Felice, he has done it to others here including Mike and Ginger. He just thinks no one would defy him or report his actions to the authority's, Ha Ha , He could edit all of his post, and the site still has records, as well as I am sure so does everyone he has harassed and threatened. :beat:  :beat: Stay off the bosses computer today,You are also putting him in legal jeopardy, but I am sure you don't care. for the record :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 10, 2010, 10:16:10 AM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        YA HE TOTALLY MISSED THAT BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BUSY HATING....
        I DOUBT HE WILL READ IT OR EVEN FEEL GUILTY.
        HE WILL ATTACK ME NOW...HERE WE GO.
        :cheers: I have read your post and his and you have defiantly tried to stop his crazy jabber Felice but he doesn't get it, he thinks the only people that dont want to hear his shit is Sharon and Mark ,Danny.Well he is wrong and thinks he is the upper crust here at fornits, or did he forget the trouble he caused them.?? He blames it on others but he is the one who acted. He has chastised the site directors openly and makes such an ass out of himself. This Sharon just bates him along like a little fish and he follows with just unbelievable words, he is lucky that someone hasn't called the police on him for cyber bulling. He is convinced that only two people troll him but yet he travels as a troll,??????. And rants about being on top and so honest, but yet he hide's behind a screen name, at least this Sharon Danny and Mark use their real names. I use a screen names until I know someone and then I inter duce myself. But this Art guy is over the top, I think Ginger and Mike have him here for total entertainment, as a reward for the ones he fucked over.Nothing else would make scene, they dont like him, and they have made that point very clear. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

         :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: [He harrasses me by 6 a.m. every morning.
        I tell him to leave me alone, but he will not.
        Obviously he thinks I care to hear his hatefull drivvel every morning.
        If I forgive someone, he gets all upset and controlling.
        He must think he is STAFF! You should have seen the BS he sent me last week. UNREAL.
        He also will not address the PEDO-BEAR "incident".http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30597&p=365961&hilit=PEDO+BEAR#p365961
        Like an Elan Director, he focusus on what he wants to and your needs never matter.
        I think he forgot I was "Corner Girl" and did not take shit at 16....will not now!
        He can go around taking advantage of Women, but he never says "I'm Sorry I took advantage of you."
        He needs to abuse someone EVERY DAY.
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: Wow :jawdrop: Art it look like you have been exposed in a lie. Felice doesn't like you at all, as a matter of fact she doesn't seem to even want to hear from you.Sounds like you are stalking her,I wonder if she records everything you say for the record too. I bet her records and everyone else's are allot larger than yours. Do you want to talk about any other dear friends.Please come out to play Art. Maybe she will call the police, or someone will have the hard drive checked were you work at and have you and your boss arrested for cyber bulling and stalking. I think you have more to worry about than anyone you are harassing, Put that in your records, you will want that for court,LOL. you are a evil person and need to stop your vile harassment of others.No one is entertained and you are getting closer to that jail cell you belong in. Does your girlfriend know how you stalk woman and degrade them, I am sure she does but,then maybe an email might open her eyes to the real sick fuck you are. You forget Art you where staff at Elan and allot of people dont like you at all.And they watch you run around a play staff here. I dont know how Felice has been kind enough to even try to be a friend to you, must be the meds she was taking, Now that she stopped she can see, Felice is a bigger person than most and too good of a person for someone like you to have the right to call a friend. So stay off the bosses computer today and reflect on how you can be a better person or not. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        :waaaa:  :waaaa: [e: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        by liarsexposed » Yesterday, 16:29

        "Psy"
        Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever
        Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood.
        I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it if needed. If Sharon Shuts her mouth, I simply go away,you never hear from me again. Marky.. Another story. My finances (personal and business) are in order.
        I dont recall bragging about my success,but I could,because I am. Very few people could do what I do. I do work the counter sometimes tho. I like it. I like helping others. Ive been doing this job a long time and am very good at it. I produce 60-85k in revenue every month and I think my boss is pretty happy about it.
        As far as being the bigger person. That wouldnt be hard. This is Fornits. Worse yet.. Sharon and Mark. 2 low life's that just want to stir up trouble,then complain when it lands in their laps. They are ok spewing venom and bile,untill its turned around on them. Then they become victims. Hell Marky wont even see our pal in Fox Lake as a result of being caught in his lies.. To an outsider... Am still laughing at that one. at the lengths these 2 will go to to preserve their lies.
        Well thats all the time I have nfor you and Fornits today.
        BTW.. Just so you know. I have never had a pissing contest with Felice. She is perhaps one of my dearest friends,and for decades. Your info is,as usual,incorrect
        Try not to shit yourself today
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         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Is that your dear friend talking about you Arty,?? don't sound like love ,sounds like she doesn't want be to apart of your [Hate] or life in general. Felice has here share of arguments, I dont see her coming out sick on people like you and I know she is not that kind of person. Remember it was the ass-holes like you that kept her in that corner and mocked and tormented her at Elan and to pleasure in her displeasure. But she probably deserved it, she was just a smart -ass Jew kid from Winnetka. well so was I.  What was your excuse little rich kid from Highland Park, Family owned  one of the largest parts catalog co in ill at the time. How did you fall from grace,??. Why would you think your above anyone here, we were all at Elan, and suffered like Felice at the hands of you and the Zeretsky's of Elan. How do you stand here on a survivors forum and rant about how great you are and superior,?? You are still staff and prove it every time you speak. I have never seen you nice or agreeable with anyone. I have never seen you write a non bashing or constructive post to help anyone. You blame every response on someone else . {They said it first  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: } Grow up Arty or not.  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:                          Ps. nice lie about Felice being your best dearest friend. I hope you dont torment her today for not siding with you. :cheers:  :cheers:  Good standing up Felice and good luck paying the price through the wrath of Arty. Just remember there is [911] he wouldn't hesitate to do it to you Felice, he has done it to others here including Mike and Ginger. He just thinks no one would defy him or report his actions to the authority's, Ha Ha , He could edit all of his post, and the site still has records, as well as I am sure so does everyone he has harassed and threatened. :beat:  :beat: Stay off the bosses computer today,You are also putting him in legal jeopardy, but I am sure you don't care. for the record :beat:  :beat:
        [[ :jawdrop: Remember Arty this describes you  ]] :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:     Re: The way of the Kruglik
        by The Elan Reporter » 3 minutes ago

        PEDO > speedo BEAR> Bearing all. An unatractive, over weight, horny elan staff member would put on a speedo and propose sex for special privs for an under age teen male/female. Unforntanately, even a deprived hostage teen would not accept this proposition, but certainly got a great laugh at the unattractive, over weight, horny elan staff member wearing that speedo. After dozens of failed attempts trying to have sex with a teen, the staff member had no more options left and felt hopeless as much as he did useless, and turned to the hi yuh yuh indian for his sexual needs. Only stipulation with TCK is he had to loose the speedo and put on a buffalo hide made into a loin cloth, so that TCK felt right at home thinking he was having homosexual sex with his own kind.

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        Location: Elan Terrorist Group :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker: Do you wear a speedo on your 16 ft yatch,??? :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 10:45:33 AM
        16 ft row boat with a painted name on the rear of the row boat that reads "Dateless & still looking". I betcha that lake empties real fast when they see a over weight jewish man in a speedo. Parents at the shoreline are yelling "kids kids, c'mon kids, it's time to go home NOW!". Female sun bathers all the sudden feel ill to their stomach and start vomiting and all others cover themselves up. I'll never forget the images at plentyoffish. What a sight!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 10, 2010, 12:15:59 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Old pan face shit dick kruglik likes to meditate in his tee pee and think up news ways to abuse the white mans teen. TCK's recent new abuse > Me suh going to have shotdowns clean me suh's pee pee after me suh fuck horse and/or buffalo, hi yuh yuh yuh yuh! Me suh also like to have anal sex with old over weight jewish men in a glorified row boat, hi yuh yuh yuh!
        OMFG ROFLMAO you almost had me pee this time Elan Reporter, priceless omfg priceless..You gave me such a good morning..Thank you.  I got the visual of the anal bead in the large jewish man. The tiny hole in the floor board that eventually cracks and the whole thing sinks. I see MK and ST laying naked on his deck, as he gives them hand pick selections of melon balls. His other hand extended to receive his Elan paycheck..could it be enough to buy a little bit of cocaine this week. Who knows. Maybe Jenny Craig would be more up his alley or a surgeon to have that mole removed.

        The big Jewish guy rants and raves like Mr Magoo dropping a dollar. The ad in hand demanding the sale is not over, as he slams his foot on the floor. He speaks of weakness in others and tantrums however he is the master of disaster. He spews lies but never produces a so called truth. He then goes sits with TCK and chants the beloved hi yuh yuh yuh yuh yuh yuh. Praying to his tin God to swish Karma back his way.

        He spews on disqust you will include me, you all shall include me, you better include me or you will be sorry. The side lines of suvivors sit in silence watching his daily tantrums and giggle in delight as he daily tops the fooolish measure he will go to. Yes he shall be remembered but not as nostagically as he is hoping for. It is the Ex Staffers wishes to be cleansed from the past, no way it is following them so closely and we are all here to remind them it will never go away.

        So as I sit here in the hot tub today sipping white zinfidel I will be giggling with delight as the fat rolly polly jewish man speaks nonsense and he will in fact be my personal comedy show. He never seems to disappoint any of us. I shall get them I shall get them rings over his brain. I shall make them pay..pay they will is his new chant. Happy life he spews but get him alone you quickily learn how he truly is. Living in the past filled with regret. Eats him away as he rolls over towards his girlfriend whom was too dumb to pick a good tatoo. An eyeball instead of an eightball. It was the hugest joke of all, he allowed his own special one to ruin herself because he cant stand women. Yeppers hes the man.....bahahahahahahahaahaha. If he is judge or jury then no wonder the twisted expectations are at an all time low.

        Ex Elan Staffer oh the glory of the nonsense. Does he not know he is our amusement in here, not the other way around. Me hi yuh yuh yuh yuh yuh hummm....keep grasping keep grasping, make them change their mind. You will make them do as you say.....get you cup of koolaid and spin it all day.....me he hum hi yuh huy yuh yuh yuh......lets get the popcorn out everyone it shall be a blessed day...Who shall be his target..ten bucks says I am...lmao It kinda reminds me of an bad episode of Beauty and the Beast. Maybe he can call his friend Sammy to bring him some greener cheer, then spew later he is sober still..lmao lmao lmao. Oh thats right he is here for the childrem...bahahahahahah ok lets buy that one today. He appears to be here for himself.

        Time for me to go do something productive today..I may or may not be back. Time to shop and get ready for a week of fun coming up. I feel like gambling today so will drive 45 minutes to the casinos and sip a couple margeritas. Plan the parties for next week and go travel to see a friend. Summer is not to be wasted around here. BBQ's daily and tons of fun. I am never alone nor will be...family is a wonderful thing especially when you make your own.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 01:03:36 PM
        Here to bring a smile and laughs for all the good people here.  :cheers:  
        And as for the trolls ??? :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :suicide:

        And for TCK-----Keep on fucking them buffalos!  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 10, 2010, 03:49:46 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        16 ft row boat with a painted name on the rear of the row boat that reads "Dateless & still looking". I betcha that lake empties real fast when they see a over weight jewish man in a speedo. Parents at the shoreline are yelling "kids kids, c'mon kids, it's time to go home NOW!". Female sun bathers all the sudden feel ill to their stomach and start vomiting and all others cover themselves up. I'll never forget the images at plentyoffish. What a sight!
        :cheers:  :cheers: I have to ask you  Elan Reporter do you know Arty, I find it so uncanny that you have truly identified the one and only Arty . :roflmao:  :roflmao: I say that in jest, I can't see you and Arty playing well at all, he is that kid now one liked and grew up to be that guy no one likes. Elan gave him freedom to abuse and torment others in the name of righteousness, so he was able to feel worth and power. But no one ever  told him the ride was over. :beat:  :beat:  :beat: I do like how Felice exposed him for being a nothing and a stalker. He calls that poor girl  every morning to disrupt her day with his mental chaos and dribble, I wonder if his girlfriend knows he haunts woman during the day,???. I bet he is besides himself now Felice broke ranks and defied him openly.Said she was her own person and doesn't need help make or braking friendships, and she wont be controlled. I say to Felice go girl, you are much better than what this guy has to present. At least your involved in many causes to stop people like Arty from hurting other kids.And keep going you are making a difference Felice. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 10, 2010, 04:09:41 PM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "deja vu strippers"
        quote]

        (http://http://forum.ntreev.net/pangya/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Discussions.Components.Files/11/6378.pedo-bear.jpg)
        :beat:  :beat:  :beat: Arty tell the truth, quit always being a phony :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 10, 2010, 04:17:24 PM
        - Sinking -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.betternetworker.com/files/useruploads/16675/fat%20guy%20on%20sinking%20boat.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 04:19:35 PM
        Quote from: "photo man"
        - Sinking -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.betternetworker.com/files/useruploads/16675/fat%20guy%20on%20sinking%20boat.jpg)

        OMG! LMAO! I think fArts row boat is longer then that though.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 10, 2010, 04:25:04 PM
        - What happened to Art? -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.bigfishtackle.com/photos/data/542/medium/redneck_bass_boat.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 10, 2010, 04:28:38 PM
        Quote from: "photo man"
        - Chair -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.bigfishtackle.com/photos/data/542/medium/redneck_bass_boat.jpg)
        :jawdrop: You know Arty wanted to suit Fornits last time his photo was posted, But that is a fine vessel he pilots. Fun on the water in Wonder Lake :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Great post, photo man.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 10, 2010, 04:38:49 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Quote from: "photo man"
        - Sinking -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.betternetworker.com/files/useruploads/16675/fat%20guy%20on%20sinking%20boat.jpg)

        OMG! LMAO! I think fArts row boat is longer then that though.
        :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: Arty's going to hate you guy's for posting photo's of him, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: Ginger they are teasing me :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: Mike make them stop or I will call my attorney. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: Arty you are full of :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs: , Tell The Truth. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 10, 2010, 04:43:08 PM
        Gotta admit....those are pretty damn funny!

         :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 04:57:29 PM
        Im curious, just how many people are here now that fArt has managed to piss off? All the Arty haters, please come forward.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 05:04:06 PM
        I can see it now. fArt is gonna come on sooner or later and talk about how he was on his glorified row boat, then had a bbq at his tiny 1 bed room home, crappily furnished, living in low income, lower class wonder lake IL. Same song and dance for the last 7 years, Mr. I work at a junk yard counter and think I'm wealthy. What a load of CRAP!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 06:07:55 PM
        http://www.plentyoffish.com/member942655.htm (http://www.plentyoffish.com/member942655.htm)

        About MeI have had an ad here for a long time. I have met a few women,but no matches. I think it must be a blessing because my life is very full. I spend alot of time working. Yep thats how it is when you own a business.But when I am not working,I enjoy my boat,my 100 lb dog and the quiet parts of the day. I am an early riser (5am)
        and live for cofee sometimes.I am generally happy and secure with my life. A life partner would be a huge bonus.
        First DateA cofee or something fun ... flying a kite or cooking a meal together,Lincoln Park Zoo.A long day floating down the Fox River. Sushi ! I like Sushi alot. I have the best place to go too.

         :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rofl:  :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on June 10, 2010, 06:52:23 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Im curious, just how many people are here now that fArt has managed to piss off? All the Arty haters, please come forward.

        I'm going to come forward because that cocksucker tried to shut down Fornits.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 10, 2010, 09:24:51 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Im curious, just how many people are here now that fArt has managed to piss off? All the Arty haters, please come forward.
        IM HERE IM HERE present for roll call....lolz
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 10, 2010, 09:36:11 PM
        :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 11:12:57 PM
        Now sharon how did you know fArt, from elan? Was he in elan as a staff or resident? Thought I read a post where you were involved with him at one time? Correct me if I'm wrong. I know Fart had used a feamle persona screen name here at one time, among a few other screen names in the past. What really was kinda disturbing was him pretending to be a female hiding behind a female screen name here. Not sure the purpose of that was. I think it was more of a thing of making it look like he had people agreeing with him and people that were on his side. Turned out that he made up multiple names here and was agreeing with himself. Sure tell tale sign of a mental illness imo.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 11:18:35 PM
        Also wanted to add, I have found some posts at different web addresses that fArt had made regarding the abuse that went on at elan. He certainly is NOT on the Kruglik train of abuse and condoning what went on. Some of his posts where made at some media sites, exposing the ugly side and sbuse that went on at elan. So I commend him for not being a robot kruglik and having at least one common agenda that I can respect.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on June 10, 2010, 11:19:51 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        What really was kinda disturbing was him pretending to be a female hiding behind a female screen name here. Not sure the purpose of that was. I think it was more of a thing of making it look like he had people agreeing with him and people that were on his side. Turned out that he made up multiple names here and was agreeing with himself. Sure tell tale sign of a mental illness imo.
        Seems to be an endemic phenomenon around here, from time to time...  :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 11:25:22 PM
        I just dont get the "liarsexposed" name he is using. Who in the blue hell does he think he exposed? That boy sure does have alot of time to be a troll here.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 11, 2010, 05:58:51 AM
        - Happy -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 11, 2010, 09:32:18 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Also wanted to add, I have found some posts at different web addresses that fArt had made regarding the abuse that went on at elan. He certainly is NOT on the Kruglik train of abuse and condoning what went on. Some of his posts where made at some media sites, exposing the ugly side and sbuse that went on at elan. So I commend him for not being a robot kruglik and having at least one common agenda that I can respect.
        :soapbox:  :soapbox:  I find that stuff to be a smoke screen,[ Elan Reporter ] after all he also posses as a woman from time to time, yes that is very disturbing. And yes he was Staff at Elan, so to gain any trust he would have say something positive. But his aftermath of bull-shit just overwhelms all his attempts at right. All liarsexposed has done is exposed himself as a phony and a predator.As a stalker and freak. Thank you[ Elan Reporter] for bring up Artys past on Fornits and the other vial ways he presents. Posing as a woman,?? is there something there,???? Maybe e-mail his girlfriend she might have some insight into Arty wish to be a woman. God know that any woman that has been involved with him wouldn't want to deal with him,any more. I think from what Sharon has written, she was young and very dumb, and this mistake has just followed her.Arty lives by her sister from what she has written on other sites, and likes to party with her and discuss Sharon. He has even gone as far as contacting Sharon's MOM and harassing her. Again she shit in her own back yard and cant get the smell out. IE, Arty the stalker. He feeds off her emotions and weaknesses, and just wont leave her alone, as well as Felice and any other person that mistakenly let him into their lives.He is that bad rash that wont stop coming back,he is like a reoccurring case of STD's. The nicotine stain that you cant wash out of your underwear,Over-all just a piece of garbage. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma: Do you believe in karma   and the easter bunny Arty. ??? Because it's your turn to be exposed, to your  Boss and everyone else you have offended or hurt. Time to take the emperors cloths and put him in the square. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Arty, Pedo Bear  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: It's amazing how many of Arty's friend come to his rescue, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  It's even more funny how people who have been involved in Fornits for many years have come back to roast Arty on the open spit. I guess that theory on Sharon,Babiletits and Danny are wrong, Just everyone hates Arty and his hate dribble,not just them.I wonder were the big mouth is today ?? maybe on his 16ft    chair yacht. Man he looks so happy in that photo, even has his initial [A] on his hat if it blows off. I wonder if Joe Dirt works the counter with him at the junk yard ??. Hi I am Fart and sell used parts. What internet business do you own Arty ?? Child porn is illegal in all states, as well as stalking people . Does your boss Eric know what are doing on his computers during your work hours,at the junk yard in Richmond ??? Does he know he is liable for your behavior on his registered IP address,and that you could both be sharing a cell together, just for the record.You threaten folks and play with them and now its time you were exposed Arty. Maybe other junk yards are looking for a counter boy, I guess you will find out just what your value is when it comes time.Jail and fines or Arty ??? I bet you loose. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:                                                     PS.great post Photo Man, but Arty will try and close Fornits now agian ??? Oh yea Arty has muddy the water so bad with his threats and harassment of others, that might be the wrong whistle for him to blow this time.I have heard there are several complaints to the cyber watch dog's about Arty already, so his time might be closer to jail than he thinks. How long can someone go like he has without paying the price for his crimes,??. He was the one that opened the door to cyber bulling,and we all gained some knowledge in that. And I know Ginger and Mike have just let him hang himself :beat:  :beat: So when he starts his tantrum again they will expose him.See what happens when you toot your horn Arty. :waaaa:  :waaaa: You have dug yourself quite a serious hole, notice how no one responds to you so you can trap them up in words,?? they just let you do all the talking,and you do that very well. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 11, 2010, 10:24:11 AM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Go get -em he has earned every bit of rough road, Staffer from Hell, I spent most of my time Shot-Down listening to ass-holes like you, and no I dont forgive any of the abusers. Some staff were ok and the others ????. It was one extreme or the other. Ed Friedman and Louis Ginsberg were ok, but Pan Face and Gottlieb were over the top. Jeff played nice but never stopped the fun.I wont say he was as bad as Pan Face, but he was in the same line just more undercover.Now Mc Cann he was just another animal and may he rest in Hell with Joe and all the other cronies. This Arty should be back at Elan with Pan Face, carrying the lotion and quell for the boy orientation shower. It would give him back the power he wants and needs so desperately.He has attacked me and I dont even know this fucken Ex-Staffer. I find him offensive and just outright sick. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: . Why would anyone stay at Elan if they had a choice, Danny from what he say's was kind of tied up with a legal rope to Joe's hip, so his choices were few, not defending Danny but that is the fact presented. Arty could have went back to the North Shore of Chicago, were the living is high and worked the family business and really been successful but didn't  ????? I have to wonder how Elan had more appeal,??. The north woods of Maine tormenting others and bullying them or Highland Park with the lavish land scape and crisp waters of Lake Michigan and coastal views that cost a fortune literally, new cars and just plenty of privileged freedom,?? { :beat:  Hard choice}  I grew up on the north shores of Chicago and I took advantage of my freedom when Elan said go.And I never looked back. I guess everyone is different. :peace:  :peace:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 11, 2010, 11:17:53 AM
        If fArt hasn't responded by now that is because he read all the recent posts and is either collecting himself because he is really out numbered at the time, or has decided to retreat and troll another forum, discussed as an idiot. :cheers:  I notice a pattern here, that fArt loves to stalk and harrass women, but never a man. Shows you how weak he really is. The mentally ill usually have fixations, and in this case fArt fixated himself on women and feels superior I would think when degrading them. What this man needs is a good ole fashinoned reality check. Only a coward would stalk a women and continually harrass her on a daily basis. fArt probably knows the feeling of rejection all to well, and therefore has developed a prejudice against women and will harrass them indefinately. He needs to be locked up in a place where he can be monitored and restrained when warrants. I'm sure at some point fArt has found pleasure in other illegal ventures, such as child porn. He may or may not be a shit dick, even homos have standards. :rofl:  I have a feeling seeing how he pretended to be a women online at one point, he might also have women clothing in his little home and cross dress. His illness will only get worse over time before he becomes too frustrated and cracks.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 11, 2010, 11:20:22 AM
        OMFG OMFG AW is probably flipping a lid......I got a visual of him picking up phone calling police or manipulating another dmca notice. OMFG and he has the utter gall to even suggest I focused all my energy on him. Priceless I have been so busy with my own life and children. Summer is here we are enjoying every waking moment of it. Poor little AW is so arrogant to even suggest I give a crap about his shitty boat or his shitty bullshit job. I seriously doubt he tells truth. But even if he is speaking the truth which I doubt with a name like "LIAR" he actually can. Money dont make a man. Money dont bring happiness at all. We all are able to pay our bills, travel, and have lives. Who the hell is he to suggest we live like poor white trash. I own deeds to things just like the next guy. BIG fucking deal. Thing is I did not live off my parents well deserved name like he did. He insults the memory of the name his own parents created. He did not earn the respect his parents did, he demanded it like a whinny little bitch. He thinks living hig on the hog is going to heal his soul? He can spend it all and still be a low life piece of shit. Not enough money in the world out there to fix his little tiny weenie problems.


        Its all my fault, Marks fault, now Felice...thing is we were not around most of his pathetic life. How are we responsible for his lunitic ways?? The Lair needs to repent and redeem himself on his own. You can fix many things but you cant fix assholitis.

        I rather be broke getting all my childrens needs then boosting about a crappy boat and the insurance it has. My joy is my family and the gift of life I am able to see them achieve things in awe. People tease I have so many children and different fathers. The thing is I am honored to be thier MOM. Every women knows the beauty and miracle of giving life. I do not regret a minute of my life. I am grateful for even the hard times, and all the good times. It shaped me into an excellent teacher for my children. I show them what half of us never were given by our parents UNCONDITIONAL love.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 11, 2010, 11:22:33 AM
        Artman-bot model #A-1 malfunstion troubleshooting guide
        by Guest » 24 Aug 2005, 23:59

        I brought my artman bot out in public and my artman bot went crazy. It started to go around and ask to lick the genitals of every male it came across.

        It also went into the mens room and licked all the urinals clean and then drank the dirty unflushed shit water from all the toilets. I'm tellin ya, this artman bot is fuckin sick!
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        Artman-bot model #A-1 malfunstion troubleshooting guide
        by Arthur Warshitski » 25 Aug 2005, 00:43

        I am an artman-bot, and I just want to let you all know the day I came off the assembly line 30 plus years ago I still function like brand new.

        Though our kind "artman-bots" are basically obselete to date, we can still carry out certain tasks when given to us.

        For instance, our kind loves to go to a 5 and dime and purchase all gay man nudity books and masterbate for endless hours.
        Though my pecker is ancient and I do require mass quantities of Viagra, I still have alust for those magizines.

        We also like to hang around grade schools pleasuring ourself during recess hours. and when accompanied by other artman-bot models we all show a great deal of spirit for each other.

        We cheer each other on by saying, " go artman, go artman, go artman, you old grey haired bot."

        I am Arthur Warshitski but you can call me Arty Farty.
        omo Arigato
        Mr.Artman Roboto
        Domo - Domo :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  Wow :jawdrop:   Fart you just breed love every were you go, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  is this the past and your not being truthful,??? have you been caught in a lie again,??. You dont have all those friends from over the years do you,??. As a matter a fact just the opposite, and you lied again.[ Elan Reporter] knows you and your vial antics and thank you to him for recording the past for the records. And to expose liars like Fart. I wonder if liarsexposed is really a cry for help :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  I am needy with no friends someone like me or believe my lies. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  I see the real humor in you getting your truth handed to you Farty, you are a vial rude man and should go to jail for your harassment and degrading of people over the years. You are nasty rotten person :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 11, 2010, 11:27:47 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
         I notice a pattern here, that fArt loves to stalk and harrass women, but never a man. Shows you how weak he really is. The mentally ill usually have fixations, and in this case fArt fixated himself on women and feels superior I would think when degrading them. What this man needs is a good ole fashinoned reality check. Only a coward would stalk a women and continually harrass her on a daily basis. fArt probably knows the feeling of rejection all to well, and therefore has developed a prejudice against women and will harrass them indefinately.


        Wait, wait, wait.......are you talking about AA Art or DannyBoy?  Cuz Danny seems to have the same problem, wrt women.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 11, 2010, 11:35:41 AM
        The artman-bots. lmao!!!! How did you come across them psy?  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Holy shit, that is just way too funny.

        fArt will lie about his finacial status in a lame attempt to make himself feel better. He really is functioning on a level of a pre-teen, by making up all these lies about himself and bragging about materials that he does not have, or does have, but are being painted into a Picaso. A row boat with a 10 hp out board motor is nothing to brag about.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 11, 2010, 11:37:44 AM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
         I notice a pattern here, that fArt loves to stalk and harrass women, but never a man. Shows you how weak he really is. The mentally ill usually have fixations, and in this case fArt fixated himself on women and feels superior I would think when degrading them. What this man needs is a good ole fashinoned reality check. Only a coward would stalk a women and continually harrass her on a daily basis. fArt probably knows the feeling of rejection all to well, and therefore has developed a prejudice against women and will harrass them indefinately.


        Wait, wait, wait.......are you talking about AA Art or DannyBoy?  Cuz Danny seems to have the same problem, wrt women.

        Art. FYI ... fArt = Art.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 11, 2010, 11:41:31 AM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
         I notice a pattern here, that fArt loves to stalk and harrass women, but never a man. Shows you how weak he really is. The mentally ill usually have fixations, and in this case fArt fixated himself on women and feels superior I would think when degrading them. What this man needs is a good ole fashinoned reality check. Only a coward would stalk a women and continually harrass her on a daily basis. fArt probably knows the feeling of rejection all to well, and therefore has developed a prejudice against women and will harrass them indefinately.


        Wait, wait, wait.......are you talking about AA Art or DannyBoy?  Cuz Danny seems to have the same problem, wrt women.
        :cheers:  Anne they could be the same person, Farty is an industrial troll and travels as a woman and sometimes as someone else to elude his real identity, he will comes as friend and turn into fo. Look at Felice as his latest victim, she probably changed her phone number and e-mail address.Sharon I think is building her file for the Sheriff's office. Danny Bennison sits on his own island, Farty has also attacked him and played the game with Danny but he is a man ,so it wasn't as much fun so Farty retreated to woman again.{Elan Reporter } has dealt with farty for many years, so his dribble has been heard by others for a long time as I am sure you know yourself. He has just made such a liar of him self he has to be exposed, again!!!!! :cheers:  :cheers:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 11, 2010, 11:42:47 AM
        All I have to say at this point directly to AW is KARMA is a bitch. Enjoy your KARMA sweetie because I am going to go spend the day with my family.....I will come on tonight after you once again spin your heals. I suggest you get some red slippers and click them 3 times..there is no place like home....Enjoy your own realitity. This is of your own making AW.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on June 11, 2010, 11:43:17 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
         I notice a pattern here, that fArt loves to stalk and harrass women, but never a man. Shows you how weak he really is. The mentally ill usually have fixations, and in this case fArt fixated himself on women and feels superior I would think when degrading them. What this man needs is a good ole fashinoned reality check. Only a coward would stalk a women and continually harrass her on a daily basis. fArt probably knows the feeling of rejection all to well, and therefore has developed a prejudice against women and will harrass them indefinately.
        Wait, wait, wait.......are you talking about AA Art or DannyBoy?  Cuz Danny seems to have the same problem, wrt women.
        Art. FYI ... fArt = Art.
        To muddy the waters even more, it appears that Danny knows a thing or two about religious farting (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=366487#p366487).
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 11, 2010, 11:48:39 AM
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
         I notice a pattern here, that fArt loves to stalk and harrass women, but never a man. Shows you how weak he really is. The mentally ill usually have fixations, and in this case fArt fixated himself on women and feels superior I would think when degrading them. What this man needs is a good ole fashinoned reality check. Only a coward would stalk a women and continually harrass her on a daily basis. fArt probably knows the feeling of rejection all to well, and therefore has developed a prejudice against women and will harrass them indefinately.
        Wait, wait, wait.......are you talking about AA Art or DannyBoy?  Cuz Danny seems to have the same problem, wrt women.
        Art. FYI ... fArt = Art.
        To muddy the waters even more, it appears that Danny knows a thing or two about religious farting (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=366487#p366487).
        Ursus...lmao..lmao...roflmao......I cant even respond but your dead on that assessment too......OMG fornits is funny this morning. I am glad to see all of us can have humor to laugh off some of these tantrums we are exposed to daily by these two idiots. roflmao I got to go have some more coffee to wake up more, you all have improved my day already....
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 11, 2010, 11:48:55 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        A row boat with a 10 hp out board motor is nothing to brag about.


        Is that really what it is??
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 11, 2010, 11:53:29 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
         I notice a pattern here, that fArt loves to stalk and harrass women, but never a man. Shows you how weak he really is. The mentally ill usually have fixations, and in this case fArt fixated himself on women and feels superior I would think when degrading them. What this man needs is a good ole fashinoned reality check. Only a coward would stalk a women and continually harrass her on a daily basis. fArt probably knows the feeling of rejection all to well, and therefore has developed a prejudice against women and will harrass them indefinately.


        Wait, wait, wait.......are you talking about AA Art or DannyBoy?  Cuz Danny seems to have the same problem, wrt women.

        Art. FYI ... fArt = Art.


        I know.  It was kinda rhetorical.  They both are avid AAers and both suffer from Staff Personality Disorder.  Most of it seems to be targeted towards women, in both cases.  Wonder what they're putting in the coffee these days at meetings?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 11, 2010, 12:54:34 PM
        LMAO I thought they were here for the children.....isnt that what they both claimed before...looks more for their selfish needs. Too much Koolaid they dish out....did anyone tell them we only prefer cherry koolaid not the grape koolaid....
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 11, 2010, 01:01:31 PM
        fArt is an exstaffer, but I do not believe he supports what goes on there. He's not like say a ken Zaretsky who must likely gets a bonus for referrals from what I heard from a few people awhile back. fArt does hate elan and it's staff, so he does have one good thing in common. Some may think he is pretending, but if you do a search on his name, you will find postings where he posted at a media outlet, exposing the ugly truth of what went on, in hopes they will investigate elan on a more aggressive level.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on June 11, 2010, 02:21:44 PM
        I don't actually have anything to say about this worthless clusterfuck of a thread, I just want Post #666 on it (Reply #665).
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on June 11, 2010, 02:26:50 PM
        Elan was a loving place of hope and healing where people could work on their drug and alcohol problems with some dignity and pride. Your supportive family network is willing to work on themselves to help reconnect with you in spite of the relationships that you once ruined with them. A team of professional staff members to help and assist you and your loved ones through the long and painful recovery process. Are you diseased individuals? Yes. Are you the lowest form of life on Earth? I`m afraid so. Do you need a time out from society because of all the bridges you have burned because of your addictions? Without a druggie doubt. Upon graduation you may even wish to serve on the honorable staff and help other addicts with their problems. If you prove you are a worthy example to others you might be accepted to join this ring of honor called "Staff." Is Elan confrontational? Yes but only in a tough love way, and if you complete the program you will come to understand that the sweet is never as sweet without the sour. I wish you well as you take this brave and unpredictable journey of recovery and discovery.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 11, 2010, 02:58:21 PM
        :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 11, 2010, 03:08:44 PM
        :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 11, 2010, 04:15:03 PM
        Tough love defination for Joe ricci was fucking Claire in the staff trailer after hours, with Martin Kruglik peeking in the windows to watch Joe and Marc Rosenberg peeking in the other window to watch Claire and masterbate. Marc had a habit of peeking in the windows and masterbating. I personally caught him peeking in the window of the female bathroom while a female teenager was in there using it. I was very surprised of the excuse Marc used, and how well he used it expeditiously. He said he was over seeing the girl because she was a corner person and had she also had a history of suicidal thoughts. Now this occurred at night and Marc was pretty well scootched down behind a bush so that it would not be too noticeable for someone to see if someone happen to be outside walking in the parking lot. If he really was over seeing her, he didn't have to be scootched down, it's not like he would of been seen by the girl in the potty cause it was dark outside, Marc just didn't want to be seen from anyone else. Also found it funny how after I caught him, he got up and walked towards me and went back int he house, leaving the girl with no one over seeing her as well. I knew what he was doing and Marc knew that I knew what he was doing. Also during my stay, I remember the great pantie caper where feamle panties had mysteriously disappeared from the female dorms. It was discovered that the panties would go missing after the females hit the floor. Not saying Marc was the pantie theif, but it was brought up quite a bit that female panties went missing while on Marcs watch as over night staff. I think the culprit went on a pantie search and sniff mission while everyone was in school at night. Marc was always never around alot of the times between the hours of 7-10 pm weekdays. I think he used to tell the c.o.d that he was going to take a nap or something and this would of been the perfect time to shoot dope in the old e-7 building aka the luggage cabin, and then go on a seek and sniff pantie mission in the female dorms. There was alot of coruption that went on with most of the staff, even with the guidance counseler (whom I forgot his name). He got canned by elan cause he knocked up a 17 year old resident and elan decided to grant her a early graduation to cover it up. She graduated a full coordinator at 16-18 months. The average stay was 18 - 24 months at the time and after full coordinator, one would get re-entry for 3-4 months before graduating. So much corruption, so many lies, so much deception all at the hands of the staff..Marc Rosenberg, Claire Woodman, Marty Kruglik, Joe Ricci, Ken Zaretzky, Linda Roy, Ann Flyn, and Peter Rowe. Yea Pete Rowe always had to have 2-3 female residents hanging out with him in the house living room while the rest of the house was in school. And in many cases, the girls would be sitting close by him. I know that Peter wanted to have sex with these young girls, he had a very hard time keeping his hands out of his pockets when in the company of them. Not sure of Marty ever tried to get with a female resident, if he did try it would of have to been a corner person in restraints, cause Marty was a very ugly looking man to be honest. I know he was jealous of Pete Rowe cause Pete knew how to charm the ladies and Marty couldn't. This is mainly why Marty found love with buffalos and preached his indian heritage on the houses. Also found it ironic that Marty always had the company of male residents in his sweat lodges on the soccer feild behind elan one. Marty was all into that (cleanse your soul bullshit) but I think used it as an excuse to see male residents int heir under wear.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 11, 2010, 05:20:52 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        fArt is an exstaffer, but I do not believe he supports what goes on there. He's not like say a ken Zaretsky who must likely gets a bonus for referrals from what I heard from a few people awhile back. fArt does hate elan and it's staff, so he does have one good thing in common. Some may think he is pretending, but if you do a search on his name, you will find postings where he posted at a media outlet, exposing the ugly truth of what went on, in hopes they will investigate elan on a more aggressive level.
        :cheers:  :cheers:  Did you ever think maybe Zaretsky pissed him off and wouldn't  let Farty join his click.?? I know we have all told are negative stories and hates for Elan, that doesn't make us righteous. The fact we stand up for each other does, and Fart just bashes everyone and likes it. We all have our times and disagree, but Fart takes things to a level thats unforgivable. I see him going from abuser to guilt back to abuser. He found out that even if he sides with the residents he is still hated and not liked and he cant handle the truth. He has already struck some peoples life so hard that, he will always be on the out's in life. This Sharon must be the bomb, I would like to see her photo, same with Felice. This guy has been stalking them for years,even claimed to have taken advantage of Sharon when she was young.with drugs and other tricks. This all written stuff, and Fart didn't deny it's truth. I take his negative words for Elan with a grain of salt, he is too nasty to be honest and forthright. He has found no one who wants him, he tried Elan and no luck, tried hating Elan and no luck,he tried drugs and manipulation and no luck, he tried his family and no luck. He is the kid no one liked and grew up to be the man no one likes.And after Eric finds out what he does all day at the parts counter at the junk yard  he wont like Fart ether.How about his girl friend he lives with, what happens when she see'e he stalks women every day. ?? she wont like him ether, or hate him more than already. I wonder how many times she has tried to throw him out.??? :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:   :rocker:  :rocker: PS> Ken Zaretsky and Farty are from Highland Park ill, so maybe Farty thought Ken owed him something. I remember Zaretsky as a real ass-hole manipulator and sneak ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: A cheap Pan Face knock -off, and loved Elan and Joe.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 11, 2010, 10:13:32 PM
        Wow guys
        I guess I have been quite popular. I just gotta say, I had a couple huge laughs at your expense today. Thank you
        You can write what you want. Twist it into anything you like. But the facts still remain.
        In fact Marky
        there are only 2 things keeping you from driving up the street to confront me face to face
        1) common Sense
        2) cowardice
        Your several screen names make me laugh at you almost as hard as laughing at Sharon. This appears to be all you little people have,and at least  you have each-other. How comforting
        I think thats a great idea for you to come down and see Eric. In fact I'll buy the coffee Mark
        I do not,never have,nor will I ever resort to making up 2-3 screen names for myself. I have never pretended to be a woman,tho I had a HUGE laugh about that with Eric today. He is a pretty decent guy,and has witnessed 1st hand the lies and insanity that is Marky Babbletits. Lets not forget our pal "S" Marky.. Ya done fucked up by tellin him lies, and you got caught. What a coincidence.
        I will check in some oither time to shake my head and laugh at you.
        Lemme know when/if you grow a pair Marky. I'll be waiting.
        Did you file your income tax this year ?
         :hug:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 11, 2010, 10:37:57 PM
        Who is Marky Babbletits? Babbletits a real last name, or one of those fArt lame made up names?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 12, 2010, 08:23:37 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Who is Marky Babbletits? Babbletits a real last name, or one of those fArt lame made up names?
        I think his real name is babbitz, he is on the site. Just someone Farty has targeted as a victim. See how he thinks it's all him and Sharon ha ha. I guess you must Babbitz too Elan reporter lol. he is big bad  Farty. See how he steps out so proudly trying to talk down his exposure, like ha ha you cant hurt me I am Fart Man.I think if he bothered to look at the people posting, he would find some from years ago coming back to ex-spell him. He is a very sick person and needs some mental and legal help. He claims his boss at the junk yard thinks things are so funny, I cant imagine Eric being so stupid,knowing there are laws against cyber bulling. But it's Farty's world and anything is possible, I guess he is a stalker and abuser too. What program was he in as staff,??  lol. Keep going Farty you look like your normal self that everyone hates and loathes. Oh that right your dear friends Felice and the others. We haven't seen anyone stand up for you, quite the opposite. The ones you called friends attacked you and  denounced you as any kind of friend., as a matter of fact called you stalker.so did everyone else. Its in print and on this site read along Farty. The truth has been exposed about you . Just like in 2004 and 2005 when Elan Reporter had to chase you away, with all the others folks at the time.You are a joke Farty and always will be.Why would you call some body out to see you,?? You are a snitch and like to call the police and cry he hurt my feelings , Remember all your post when you got Fornits shut down ??. This Babbitz guy seems to be allot smarter than you same with Sharon and Danny. They just let you go on and on,  and watch you dig your hole deeper. Thanks for bring Farty's past up Elan Reporter,We think he needs to be exposed for the liar and phony he is. His boss thinks its a joke how he acts ?? that guy must be as fucked up as Farty. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 12, 2010, 09:47:51 AM
        - King Art -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Wow guys
        I guess I have been quite popular. I just gotta say, I had a couple huge laughs at your expense today. Thank you
        You can write what you want. Twist it into anything you like.
         :hug:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 12, 2010, 10:07:04 AM
        - Prejudices - :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Wow guys
        I guess I have been quite popular. I just gotta say, I had a couple huge laughs at your expense today. Thank you
        You can write what you want. Twist it into anything you like.
         :hug:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 12, 2010, 10:59:12 AM
        Interesting choice of words fArt would use "Babbletits". It would seem like a word like that would be used for a man who is over weight and has what looks like female tits, but all loosly hanging there. I wonder if that is a word fArt uses to refer to his chest? I would guess that fArt has a farmers tan during the summer time, he must feel embarrassed to remove his shirt at the lake when other people can see him. Thats probably a big self esteem problem for him, his man-tits. :roflmao: Maybe thats why fart choose to dress up in females clothes, to take control of his man-tits. Pretending to be a female online is a real tell tale sign of an illness and also is a red flag. I just hope it hasn't gone as far as pretending to be a child and post at a childs forum. I also liked how fArt said he just happened to stop by and say that he has been popular. Fact is he stops by this forum probably more then 2 dozen times a day, he has been for over 7 years now and where ever there is contraversity, there is fArtman.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 12, 2010, 11:18:56 AM
        - Arts man tits -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Thats probably a big self esteem problem for ART, his man-tits. :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 12, 2010, 11:36:31 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Interesting choice of words fArt would use "Babbletits". It would seem like a word like that would be used for a man who is over weight and has what looks like female tits, but all loosly hanging there. I wonder if that is a word fArt uses to refer to his chest? I would guess that fArt has a farmers tan during the summer time, he must feel embarrassed to remove his shirt at the lake when other people can see him. Thats probably a big self esteem problem for him, his man-tits. :roflmao: Maybe thats why fart choose to dress up in females clothes, to take control of his man-tits. Pretending to be a female online is a real tell tale sign of an illness and also is a red flag. I just hope it hasn't gone as far as pretending to be a child and post at a childs forum. I also liked how fArt said he just happened to stop by and say that he has been popular. Fact is he stops by this forum probably more then 2 dozen times a day, he has been for over 7 years now and where ever there is contraversity, there is fArtman.
        :cheers:  :cheers:  Are you guys sure you dont know Farty, You and Photo Man have him down to a tee. I can only imagine the stories Elan reporter has to tell of the crusades of the great Farty. I have read some of  the Elan Reporter and he  is on top of this guy. I see he tried to target the Reporter and got his ass handed back to him, Reporter must be a male. He has quite a long track record for being a true ass-hole for many years. Wonder if Eric has read his past, maybe send him a copy of the great words of Farty. I am sure thats who he wants his customers dealing with at the junk yard. He is very sick and depraved. Photo Man great shots dude. Fartry is going to get you,lol lol. I cant wait for him start his crying to Ginger and Mike so they can tell him to fuck himself. But he probably thinks of them as long time friends too, Ha Ha. Thats why he turned them in and[ Snitched ]them out.He has just respect for friendship. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 12, 2010, 11:44:26 AM
        Oh I see the FARTY tantrum is continuing...I would look that idiot in the eyes any given day of the week however I dont associate with the lower scum of the earth. This guy is crazy just crazy how he thinks we all need to be his verbal punching bags. If I am not mistaken doesn't he have some stupid girlfriend that does that for him. I forsee a guy like this dying all alone in a nursing home with no visitors. His days are number before bad karma will jump out of somewhere on him. I find it amusing how he still speaks about me and I stepped over him like a maggot in the ground. I want nothing to do with him nor do I even speak to him. This guy is nuts. All about Farty every damn day. We really need to stop giving him attention all of us. I think this thread should stop because we are all giving the prick attention and he does not deserve any focus to be on him. Poor little Farty daily, it is out of control and a waste of good energy. Do you all not see he is making himself famous even if he is the vilian? This is what he wants to be somehow famous and remembered. Do not give him any notice. He will go more crazy when he is fully ignored and spouts off like a whiney girl. He is trying to control all of us or am I the only one who sees this? It is bullshit let the guy go away and speak his bullshit alone. We all made it clear how we feel now we need to stop fully. Let the baby talk to himself..put him in the corner for once. Pretty sad when everyone knows who arty is..really sad  he does not deserve any attention, or even his name remembered. Let him crawl back under his rock please everyone ignore ARTY the new wave of Fornits..please. As for Danny ignore his whinny ass too. They are both staffers for Gods sakes, put them in their places..under our shoes.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 12, 2010, 06:20:45 PM
        See how fArt has been quiet now? And only posted 1 time since everyone ganged up on him? Thats because he is cowarding away, he is out numbered, feels defeat and must retreat. I guess after my 2-3 year absence, fArt decided to come back and do what he does best. Not to hog all the spot light, but there also were 4-5 other people who haven't been here in years that also used to hand fArt's ass to him daily as well. It also was then that he retreated as well and moved on, at least all of us thought he did. fArt for some reason seems to get lost or confused as to what his purpose here is. I assume something must trigger off inferiority feelings inside him and he simply acts of his jealously for some reason. Problem with fArt is, he doesn't know how to stick to his lies 100%, there is a huge flaw in them. He went around posting years ago that he owned a business and traveled around the country wheelin and dealing. At least he came clean with being a counter boy at a junk yard, probably making little over minium wage depending on his experience. A real life head case is what he is, and thats just the way he is folks. But at least we get a great laugh at his dumb ass, or shall I say we did.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 12, 2010, 06:47:38 PM
        Yes Yes girls
        You have ganged up on me. My Esteem is in very poor shape, I may not be able to get through my steak dinner tonight.
        I am glad nothing has changed Sharon. Still tellilng lies,still whining like the little cunt you are. Also glad to have rented that VERY cheap space in yours,and your "pretend" Screen name head.As far as the Troll "reporter"
        Still after all these years(and its been many) You remain a coward,hiding behind a screen name,in a place for the sickest of the sick
        Been fun watching you make asses out of yourself. But its dinnertime.
        Try not to shit yourself girls
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 12, 2010, 07:56:48 PM
        fArt do you still fuck your dog? I recall a time where someone brought that up and you became very defensive about it. Also your date profile...You would think after it being up there for well over 5-6 years, you would change it around some and use different pictures.  :waaaa: You look like a skunk ape dude! Glad to see how many friends you have these days here at fornits. What happen, the other elan forum grew tired of you and kicked you out? Just because you are fat, ugly, have man tits, fuck canines, spy on grade school boys with bionoculars abd a bottle of K-Y, doesn't mean you need to troll this forum and be a retarded faced, mentally ill, dateless, tiny penis, man tities, flubber gut, a drunk that pisses vodka in a phone booths prick. Did I leave anything out ??  :rasta:  :rasta:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 12, 2010, 08:31:02 PM
        fArt, just because you take your excrement and shape it with your hands, season it, and throw it on a grill..doesnt make that a steak. Still after all these years, eating your shit.
        Coward you say?  :roflmao:  :roflmao: fArt, I don't go around abusing women to make myself feel better. You would never in a million years talk back to a man for fear of getting your ass handed to you. You're busted fArt! You're little trolling days are coming to an end. Glad I was able to help these people you have been terrorizing out. I'll be around here quite a bit for now on, to keep your ass in check where it belongs. I kept quiet in the begining, but as soon as you started bringing your garbage into my threads, you made it my business. I'm gonna be all over you like flies on shit fella, just like I was years ago. You want to retunr to this forum and inject your sick dose of mental illness, someone needs to keep you in check. I ran your sorry ass off of here the last time and would be glad to do it again.
        Get ready to have your wittle feelings hurt on a daily basis, fat man with man-tits. So take out that dradle of yours out of your drawer, dust it off, lube it up real nice with some K-Y and get ready to shove it up your ass!  :rocker:

        Enjoy your steak dinner, shit eater.  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 12, 2010, 08:51:00 PM
        - Party bear - :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        You have ganged up on me. My Esteem is in very poor shape.  I fondle women.  I have problems performing in bed with males.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 12, 2010, 09:03:54 PM
        Ha dude
        You are going to do well here this time around. You have tons in common with Mark and Sharon. Hate and bile at its finest.
        Now all you have to do is just tweak your lying a bit,so you sound a little more psychotic,and you will fit in perfectly
        This has been fun and educational. But you still remain a coward. Another trait here that you share with the masses of asses
        Good night young man
        God bless you
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 12, 2010, 09:25:26 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Notice to parents: Please book your childs party two weeks in advance.
        - Pedo medic -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 12, 2010, 09:29:09 PM
        Humping the pooch tonight are we fArt? See, tiny penis's aren't totally useless fArt. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 12, 2010, 11:43:43 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Ha dude
        You are going to do well here this time around. You have tons in common with Mark and Sharon. Hate and bile at its finest.
        Now all you have to do is just tweak your lying a bit,so you sound a little more psychotic,and you will fit in perfectly
        This has been fun and educational. But you still remain a coward. Another trait here that you share with the masses of asses
        Good night young man
        God bless you


        Is this to me?  If so, I am not the Elan Reporter.  I don t know what the hell is going on between you and a bunch of others, but it seems personal, and it has nothing to do with me.

        Paul
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 12, 2010, 11:47:58 PM
        Quote from: "Paul St. John"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Ha dude
        You are going to do well here this time around. You have tons in common with Mark and Sharon. Hate and bile at its finest.
        Now all you have to do is just tweak your lying a bit,so you sound a little more psychotic,and you will fit in perfectly
        This has been fun and educational. But you still remain a coward. Another trait here that you share with the masses of asses
        Good night young man
        God bless you


        Is this to me?  If so, I am not the Elan Reporter.  I don t know what the hell is going on between you and a bunch of others, but it seems personal, and it has nothing to do with me.

        Paul

        Why did you think it was addressed to you Paul?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 12, 2010, 11:51:32 PM
        It's time for an Arthur Warshitsky cleansing of this place. :soapbox:  
        We don't want dog fuckers that eat their own excrement trolling around here. ::unhappy::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 13, 2010, 03:39:14 AM
        :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 13, 2010, 04:01:56 AM
        - Poo -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 13, 2010, 04:42:12 AM
        - Affectionate women -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 13, 2010, 04:51:08 AM
        - Vagina gel -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 13, 2010, 04:53:42 AM
        - Bondage -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 13, 2010, 05:19:36 AM
        - Inner child -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on June 13, 2010, 09:59:43 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        See how fArt has been quiet now? And only posted 1 time since everyone ganged up on him? Thats because he is cowarding away, he is out numbered, feels defeat and must retreat. I guess after my 2-3 year absence, fArt decided to come back and do what he does best. Not to hog all the spot light, but there also were 4-5 other people who haven't been here in years that also used to hand fArt's ass to him daily as well. It also was then that he retreated as well and moved on, at least all of us thought he did. fArt for some reason seems to get lost or confused as to what his purpose here is. I assume something must trigger off inferiority feelings inside him and he simply acts of his jealously for some reason. Problem with fArt is, he doesn't know how to stick to his lies 100%, there is a huge flaw in them. He went around posting years ago that he owned a business and traveled around the country wheelin and dealing. At least he came clean with being a counter boy at a junk yard, probably making little over minium wage depending on his experience. A real life head case is what he is, and thats just the way he is folks. But at least we get a great laugh at his dumb ass, or shall I say we did.
        :rocker:  :rocker: Well Fart you still blame your sickness on me and Sharon. I am truly glad all of your old nemeses have returned to roast you here the site.You call everyone a liar but yet you dish out all the lie's.They catch you every time you open your big mouth.I dont have any IRS issues, but thanks for the inquiry, I hope you didnt try to gather info about me illegal, but that will come out in the wash and then you will go to jail for identity thief and and employment information fraud.I have only worked with one person in the last 5 years and your friend in fox lake would not have a clue of who that would be.So I hope your game worked. I have taken the liberties of copying your post to me , never boast a victory you haven't won. It is good to see the lengths you will go to in trying to harass people.It is obvious that you have no shame or guts. You are a cry baby and snitch and thats why no one likes you.You have never met me but you act like I am someone you have known for years.I also love to see everyone expose you openly on the web as the liar you are.And how about the fake names you use ??. How do you call others on that and you are the leader of phoniness,Your shit storm you tried to start only rained on you. I can see how everyone just loves you over all the years. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: You are a looser and fraud and no one glorify's you they laugh and loath you. Open your eyes stupid, the Reporter and others attacking you are people that have been here for years and know your phony ass.You need to go away Fart, you are not welcome around here. But you are use to hearing that allot, dont try and pretend to know me, you dont. And I dont seem to draw the negative attention that you do.As a matter of fact I seem to have drawn  unsolicited support from many others. You are just hated so much that no one can stand you. I dont have that problem. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  [:cheers:  Thank you Elan Reporter and the others for bring Fart out into the open} Treat him like the vial ass-hole he is, he would love to know who you guys are, but cant figure it out. He has so many enemies he is lost on who it could be.So he blames me and Sharon.Keep up the great work and posts and Photo's I can hear him crying now.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 13, 2010, 11:19:21 AM
        He "fArt" must be very over whelmed. I think this is officially a record of fArt haters at one time here. If there was no internet chat rooms, or forums, you know well that fArt would not be bothering anyone, he certainly would be too much of a coward to come face to face and try to pull this shit. fArt is a wannabe hacker, he likes to pretend he can look up vital info on the web on anyone and exploit it. I remember years back when someone found his date profile on plentyoffish.com and posted his picture. fArt thought someone hacked into his computer and retrived the picture. fArt ranted on how he was going to take legal action for hacking into his pc and that he had evidence. That really showed you how computer illiterate fArt was. Too bad fArt can't click his heels 3 times and repeat (there is no place like a state mental hospital).
        The way I see it is, fArt must not have not one single friend and doesn't know how to have one either so he goes to forums and creates contraversity and gets alot of people to dislike him, so that they will respond to him. I'm sure he will brag about it to his junk yard coworkers of how many friends he has online, quite the opposite from reality for him. All the activites that he post about doing, bbq with friends, going out on a row boat, is a huge cry out for attention.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 13, 2010, 12:55:05 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        He "fArt" must be very over whelmed. I think this is officially a record of fArt haters at one time here. If there was no internet chat rooms, or forums, you know well that fArt would not be bothering anyone, he certainly would be too much of a coward to come face to face and try to pull this shit. fArt is a wannabe hacker, he likes to pretend he can look up vital info on the web on anyone and exploit it. I remember years back when someone found his date profile on plentyoffish.com and posted his picture. fArt thought someone hacked into his computer and retrived the picture. fArt ranted on how he was going to take legal action for hacking into his pc and that he had evidence. That really showed you how computer illiterate fArt was. Too bad fArt can't click his heels 3 times and repeat (there is no place like a state mental hospital).
        The way I see it is, fArt must not have not one single friend and doesn't know how to have one either so he goes to forums and creates contraversity and gets alot of people to dislike him, so that they will respond to him. I'm sure he will brag about it to his junk yard coworkers of how many friends he has online, quite the opposite from reality for him. All the activites that he post about doing, bbq with friends, going out on a row boat, is a huge cry out for attention.

        Well Marky
        Harrassing people would be YOUR specialty. Thanks to Felice and a number of others who were extremely helpful,you were caught. Now you are mad..At me. You and your uneducated,ignorant pal sharon (whom you took full advantage of) created your own shitstorm,in which I merely responded to. You have been twisting and whining ever since.
        Seems you both are still having trouble telling the truth. But thats ok. Mchenry Count,your own local PD,my attorney,and the nice folks at your last Hatesite have provided plenty of incriminating info. Facebook was also involved in pointing the finger at both of you.
        As far as your IRS problems are concerned. If you got it comin to ya,then by all means. Kinda like you "never were on my street",tho your license plate # matched and you were in quite the hurry to leave when I came out with my dogs.
        Now you have the Vile Reporter here to "defend you"
        Which is kind of funny as the contents of his postings are attention seeking and silly. Written without any facts,as a means to "hurt me". Guess what.  Who cares ? His are merely fantasy. Where as yours are not only documented,but substantiated fact.
        The only people who come to this site, are you and your emotionally crippled pals. You can document anything you like Marky.. But the facts will always be the facts. You got caught. You are a coward. You are mad about both
        Cry all you like. I think its amusing. Especially 1st thing in the morning when I am having coffee.
        Now its time to play in the water.
        Try not to shit yourself Marky.. This is YOUR fuckup. Doesnt matter who you and sharon "sign in as".
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 13, 2010, 02:44:10 PM
        Why thank you kindly fArt for the compliment. I knew deep down inside you find the hi yuh yuh yuh entertaining.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 13, 2010, 05:59:12 PM
        - Big boy collection -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 14, 2010, 02:30:36 AM
        - Strap on dildo -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        He "fArt" must be very over whelmed. I think this is officially a record of fArt haters at one time here. If there was no internet chat rooms, or forums, you know well that fArt would not be bothering anyone, he certainly would be too much of a coward to come face to face and try to pull ...
        by liarsexposed
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        Ha dude You are going to do well here this time around. You have tons in common with Mark and Sharon. Hate and bile at its finest. Now all you have to do is just tweak your lying a bit,so you sound a little more psychotic,and you will fit in perfectly This has been fun and educational. But you still...
        by liarsexposed
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        Yes Yes girls You have ganged up on me. My Esteem is in very poor shape, I may not be able to get through my steak dinner tonight. I am glad nothing has changed Sharon. Still tellilng lies,still whining like the little cunt you are. Also glad to have rented that VERY cheap space in yours,and your &q...
        by liarsexposed
        12 Jun 2010, 23:47
         
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        Wow guys I guess I have been quite popular. I just gotta say, I had a couple huge laughs at your expense today. Thank you You can write what you want. Twist it into anything you like. But the facts still remain. In fact Marky there are only 2 things keeping you from driving up the street to confront...
        by liarsexposed
        12 Jun 2010, 03:13
         
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        "Psy" Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood. I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it i...
        by liarsexposed
        09 Jun 2010, 16:29
         
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        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me. A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked. Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture. As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just ...
        by liarsexposed
        09 Jun 2010, 12:16
         
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        Re: The way of the Kruglik
        I want to know what your connection to Homosexual sex,and beastiality is Sharon
        I think its pretty clear you arent getting any
        Maybe you should solicit the homeless
        Be a public service for you to blow all the homeless in Freeport
        Give untill it hurts Sharon !
        by liarsexposed
        08 Jun 2010, 15:26
         
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        Re: TCK Lives on!
        Paul This will be the only response you are going to get from me. Sharon and Mark have more than earned the harsh words from me. Either you werent around when it started,or you were pretending to be someone else. (very common practice here) I have not been a participant here in a very long time and ...
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 22:10
         
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        I am afraid I am fresh out of time for your insanity today Sharon Took part of the day off to play in the water. Any time you decide you have the guts to speak face to face,and or back up what you have to say You know where I am at Anne... Thanks for letting me have a laugh at your expense as well T...
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 18:55
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        You are correct
        I was ignoring you
        Come talk shit to my face
        Bring a lunch troll
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 18:06
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Pretty sure the only cocksucker here is Marky Babbletits
        He is still in the closet about it
        But we know
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 18:00
         
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        Wow a new acct b by another troll
        Shocking
        If you have a question Sharon.. Why not just ask me ?
        I am not your enemy
        You do enough damage to yourself,all by yourself
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 17:50
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        6 minutes Anne?
        You are slipping
        If you only had something of value to contribute. Maybe I would be willing to participate.
        Pretty funny.. a troll defending a troll
        Go hug someone Anne. Gotta be better than reading the poison that spews from Marky and Sharon
        Vengence they say LOL
        by liarsexposed
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Awwwe DId you 2 get your feelers hurt ? Try telling the truth.. It shall set you free Instead of posting as yourselves you have been reduced to trolling. Wasnt it you Sharon, who wrote post after post about trolls being bad ? Dishonest ? Hurtful ? Now look at ya. Look at what you have been reduced t...
        by liarsexposed
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        Re: Some help for folks who can identify
        Sharon has learned a new computer skill. Last week she learned how to cut and paste. Next week who knows.. maybe she'll fly the Space Shuttle. . We missed you. Did they make you stay the whole 72 hours ? Did you get yourself some new pills ? I saw your sense of humor last night and was genuinely imp...
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Hmm wonder which liar Jeffrey is pretending to be I guess if its Marky (suckacock) Babbletits Or Sharon VIctim Its still the same lies,same deciet,nothing has changed except your sceen name. Interesting how you spew one thing,then act like the morons you are Danny may be an idiot But you 2 are liars...
        by liarsexposed
        03 Jun 2010, 20:50
         
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        Re: The Right to Privacy
        SharonMcCarthy wrote:
        :karma:

        OMG Sharon. I think we have had a freakin breakthrough
        I almost PISSED myself when I saw that
        God Bless ya I needed that
        good night
        by liarsexposed
        03 Jun 2010, 01:44
         
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        Re: The Right to Privacy
        I totally understand where your coming from. I also believe too many people purposely try to obtain information just to be nosey bastards. The only solution is actually to read a book instead of coming on the internet. However, our lives do now fully need some form of access. I have heard there are...
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        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        Who are you talking to Sharon ?
        Who do you think the Drama Box was made for ?
        Go hug your kids and mind your own business you dizzy bitch
        You see.. when YOU start something you cannot finish
        Someone always will
        Fuckin crybaby/Attention seeker
        Are ya 12 ?
        by liarsexposed
        01 Jun 2010, 20:01
         
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        Re: Simply put please don't contact me again for the last ti
        Matt, I truly agree when someone requests there to be no contact I believe it is best others respect that. However, you and I both know some people just don't get it. They continue to harrass others in an amusing way. Just remember to consider the source. Now that IS funny Sharon Did you just come ...
        by liarsexposed
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        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        Are you done "purging" yourself yet Danny ? You have been "Purging" yourself for 5 months,through hundreds of posts,in dozens of threads. They all say the same thing.. NOTHING I think what people are saying is they are sick of you,and yoru attention seeking antics. Its time to gr...
        by liarsexposed
        01 Jun 2010, 13:59
         
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        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        So you are claiming to be a victim ? Is that what I am hearing Danny. Everyone is wrong but Danny. Seems I have heard that before. I dont know what your purpose here is. I have no interest in your FB page. You were bloccked months ago for your part in attacking me with your pals Sharon and Mark. You...
        by liarsexposed
        28 May 2010, 17:20
         
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        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        Danny Unless you have plagerized that story about Michael's first day,its a bald face lie Dano That is my belief Michael,another Michael,and myself were bunkmates for over a year. I never heard these stories you are telling,and everyone used to tell their stories,as to how they were, when they arriv...
        by liarsexposed
        28 May 2010, 02:31
         
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        Re: How to finish.......inspiring.
        Danny Marky is just on the rag. You see its been a while since he posted (as himself) and (like you) was in dire need of some attention. Hopefully he will do Fox Lake/Round Lake a huge favor and just kill himself. He is but a menace,and a drain on society. He has been cheating our Federal Govt for q...
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        Hi Marky Saw you were putting others down. Wonder why an unemployed,broke dick,liar,cheater,and a thief would talk about others deciet. Lets talk about your problems Marky... Hows that whole IRS thing workin out ? Caught in a big lie huh? .. Hows the jobsearch going ? Or is it easier to get yoru Lin...h found 54 matches
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Sorry Sharon I dont know what the scratch and sniff thing means.. But as long as you are spinning,and seeking attention here's some for you How about another thread full of lies .. Been a few days since I called you out on them,and you threw a tantrum. Great Icons Too bad you lack command of the Eng...
        by liarsexposed
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        Poor Marky (liar,cheater,common thief,criminal) I would like to be sorry about you running off like this, but thats what cowards do. Is it really that hard to act like a person ? Is your life really that bad that you cannot admit a role in this ? Are you so small that when you are busted.. You canno...
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        Re: Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking
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        Re: Penis Pumps
        Gee Sharon Nobody but me giving you attention today. Do you feel better ? Ya know.. For a woman with all them kids.. you sure have alot of time to Whine on fornits. You poor thing.. I bet you have 1st hand knowledge about pumping the cock regularly. That is until the guy see's what a fucking Lunatic...
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: His Superior Arty has spoken...big fucken deal 4 years off 46 wow. Thanks for admitting your age for everyone.....I was 17, you were an adult nice one good going ARTY. I was a minor, you were an adult slime ball. :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :w...
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        Re: Don’t talk to aliens, someone warn Art and Danny
        ....
        by liarsexposed
        29 Apr 2010, 20:19
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        I only have a couple comments to add Sharon 1) am only 46... posting more mis-information what a shocker ! 2)wow the intellignece.. for the love of Mike.. Find the spellcheck key 3) Take danny's advice... Go hug your babies.... 4) WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...
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        29 Apr 2010, 20:04
         
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        Re: Homosexuals disgust me
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        by liarsexposed
        29 Apr 2010, 17:52
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Those who troll ? LOL Marky.. I mean Jeff Cooper.. I mean Gary..Umm Gerald.. I could go on but.. Who would be shitting who Babbletits? Again playing the fraud.. and winning... Prove you right ? About what Marky ? Being an unemployed loser, that sits home smoking dope playing "Puter" ? Atta...
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        29 Apr 2010, 12:23
         
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        Hey Marky
        Could you enlighten us as to who Gary Stadler is ?
        Thanks Marky
        You can go back to serviceing the homeless men in Fox Lake
        by liarsexposed
        26 Apr 2010, 21:41
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Awwe Sharon You cant pin that Liar thing on me darlin. I tell the truth. I dont have any fake sisters/family members. I dont create hate groups. I dont seek attention on an anonymous forum.When I am wrong,I promptly admit it. I could go on but really, you have become very boring... Beyond your atten...
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        agreed
        Could you or Marky come up with some new lies. Maybe something we havent heard yet.
        Whats boring is your behavior. How about that apology to the Admin here at Fornits for your little tantrum ?
        Here's some attention for you .. MMM KKKay ?
        by liarsexposed
        25 Apr 2010, 17:22
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        http://planetross.files.wordpress.com/2 ... hting1.jpg (http://planetross.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fighting1.jpg) There there Anne. Someone will want to play with you. Its just not me. Only 10 minutes for a reply ? You are slipping girl.. Its almost,as if you had a life. That couldnt be true.. at least not a quality of life I would admire.. Maybe some...
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        22 Apr 2010, 18:56
         
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        LOL These two.... Sharon the Drama Queen Victim.. and Babbletits the Fraud ! Gotta be the biggest losers on the planet. Marky Our pal asked me about ya the other day. I guess after being busted in a lie (one of many) its too hard to show your face. Not to mention you are a coward Arent you on vacati...
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        22 Apr 2010, 15:29
         
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        Re: Who is the bigger loser: Anne Bonney or Dysfunction Junction
        SharonMcCarthy wrote:
        Wow.........seems to me only a big ass loser would even start a thread asking who was a big loser....        

        Or participate in a thread dedicated to losers
        Sharon.. You are in the right place
        by liarsexposed
        21 Apr 2010, 12:28
         
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        From:It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Thats funny I have 34 emails from former elan residents who say differently. Some are from people in my day,some earlier,and a couple of recent grads (within a couple years). Even tho they do not participate here,they read it. Including,but not limited to, someone who was there with Sharon who point...
        by liarsexposed
        20 Apr 2010, 20:26
         
        Forum: <b>Open Free for All</b>
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        Re: It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Anne I have no idea what you are talking about. I was not talking to you,or about you. I am sorry for you relationship troubles. This is an ongoing tantrum,that Sharon has been throwing since Dec 31st,with respect to me. I have read countless lies written both about me and others which I have called...
        by liarsexposed
        20 Apr 2010, 19:56
         
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        Re: It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Try to stay focussed on the task at hand... Which is Elan. My job has no place in this discussion. Though what I do, I have been doing since I was a young man. I am very good at it. In fact others depend on me,so far,in 22 states to train,implement policy,and guide others in this business. I am paid...
        by liarsexposed
        20 Apr 2010, 17:58
         
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        Re: It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Geez Sharon.. Pretty dramatic Here's my take In my day there were probably 300-400 "residents. They are now down to 30 something. I like to think that the letters,emails and bad press from websites (including this one) are largely responsible for this. They are going out of business. I cant thi...
        by liarsexposed
        19 Apr 2010, 20:48
         
        Forum: <b>Open Free for All</b>
        Topic: It Is Left Open Because Of Us
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Ahhhhh The other Liar ! :soapbox: How suprising that Sharon is here to seek attention right along with her pal Babbletits. :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: Two coward,Two Liars.. You two should get married,and have lots of kids Could you tell a few lies...
        by liarsexposed
        18 Apr 2010, 17:04
         
        Forum: <b>Open Free for All</b>
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        :rocker: But thats what keep ,the weak going,. On the world wide web they have that audience they crave and cant find in the regular world,so they seek strangers for support, I wonder how they go about dating ??. Maybe on the internet too, after all they can be who ever they want up to the date, an...
        by liarsexposed
        18 Apr 2010, 01:03
         
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        Re: From Staff list for Elan School
        :shamrock: :shamrock: My name is Daniel L. Bennison and I am on this staff list. I was a Ass. Director and a staff member, from 1/77 - 11/78. No need to doubt that. Danny Danny you really need to stop beating yourself up so much, yes you were staff but in my eyes you took so much these past months ...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Apr 2010, 22:25
         
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        Re: Mentally ill fornit people in Élan forum
        liarsexposed wrote: Promoting change starts from within Shut the fuck up would be doing your part and maybe.. MAYBE some others may participate ::fullofshit:: Who would want to participate when if you share a different opinion you are attacked multiple times,on multiple sites,by you,your children an...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Apr 2010, 21:06
         
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        Re: We Are Survivors and We Are Many
        People don't respond to your topics because you post the same thing on this website in every other forum. alright then since your such an little opinionated expert why dont you get off your lame ass and get this ball roliing then.....instead of trying to bait others with your bad karma sweetie. Per...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Apr 2010, 19:40
         
        Forum: <b>Open Free for All</b>
        Topic: Mentally ill fornit people in Élan forum
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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 14, 2010, 08:54:01 AM
        Pretty Cool Trollboy
        Now post Sharon's rants and verbal vomit.
        That should take up 4-5 pages
        Be sure to include all her Screen names as its extremely imprtant she gets the attention she has earned !
        Try not to shit yourself today girls
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 14, 2010, 08:54:01 AM
        Pretty Cool Trollboy
        Now post Sharon's rants and verbal vomit.
        That should take up 4-5 pages
        Be sure to include all her Screen names as its extremely imprtant she gets the attention she has earned !
        Try not to shit yourself today girls
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 14, 2010, 09:39:11 AM
        :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Elan Reporter and psy, hit it right on the head.Thank you guys. My day is so pleasant finally seeing a bad man get fully exposed. He exposed himself. His own ego says it all. Liar Exposed....he was referring to himself. Mark is such a nice man and it is appalling how he has been trashed out like this from that mentally deranged man. Mark would do anything for anyone in a heart beat and is not a cruel man like the Liar is. Liar needs to just move on and let others have peace.

        Liar is actually pretty hateful and is has shown over the course of years. I am so glad I have enough sense to not even be around that scum. He screams we are out of control however only I see is his daily rants continue. The guy simply enjoys chaos. He is purposely toying with everyone here. This man is so full of himself that is all that he sees. I doubt highly Felice is helping him, she is sick of it all. Every thing regarding this. The woman has much better things to do than waste her days on this crapola.

        I miss Nazi wish he was here....he seems to go away when Nazi puts him in his place.


        I do notice Danny is finally quiting his nonsense as well. About fucken time too.


        So when the invitations go out for the Elan alumi picnic I will make sure FARTY gets his as well. I'll bring the popcorn for the show. I doubt I will even speak to the man but I bet others are just dying to see his rants in public. He will humilate himself within 5 minutes. I can see it now, his face all red as he points finger.."its your fault..your fault you bad marky and sharon..all your fault..my life is all your fault...fucken cry baby." He is not even going to get respect because obviously his issues run deeper than anything me or Mark have ever said. His true colors came out in droves. What a flake and a fake. I pity the man fully. He may have a few dollars off his fathers name but he earned nothing for himself his whole life. He was breast fed his money. And did anyone tell this loser money dont make a man? How arrogant to assume others dont have any..lmao priceless. Now he is our bank experts and life specialists.

        His internet skills..lmao what ever. And for record I talked the police already about him, they think he is a cry baby insane nutbag. Of course he lied to try to screw others. By now someone would of done something dont ya think?? The only CUNT i see is him. Can UNderstand Normal Thinking = FARTY. Thing is his threats are baseless and hold no merit. You can call people names and expect not to be told off in return.

        I can picture it now..the prick in highschool would be in principles office stomping his feet and crying " they teased me..oh my god do something....they said something to me" I demand justice...LMAO what a big baby. He calls police and before they answer the phone they all say "what does this retard want now" He reminds me of the little old lady in the neighborhood peeking out her window with a phone in hand.....a fricken nightmare. He has no class and absolutely no respect for himself. It clearly shows daily.


        Did anyone tell dumb fuck there is yet another Elan forum? lmao he thinks he knows everything. He did not stop shit trust me. Did anyone notice Farty rimes with Marty..lmao Go figure. Two peas in a pod. He is just mad that Marty was a better man then he was. Not a good enough person to fit in anywhere is he. He even got rejected by Elan's finest...lmao He could not even manage to remain an Elan staff and from what I understand that is very easy to do..lmao


        Well its been fun but I got plans and have no interst in the Arty festivale today. lmao
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 14, 2010, 09:40:24 AM
        :cheers:  :cheers:


        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        He "fArt" must be very over whelmed. I think this is officially a record of fArt haters at one time here. If there was no internet chat rooms, or forums, you know well that fArt would not be bothering anyone, he certainly would be too much of a coward to come face to face and try to pull ...
        by liarsexposed
        Yesterday, 17:55
         

        Topic: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Ha dude You are going to do well here this time around. You have tons in common with Mark and Sharon. Hate and bile at its finest. Now all you have to do is just tweak your lying a bit,so you sound a little more psychotic,and you will fit in perfectly This has been fun and educational. But you still...
        by liarsexposed
        Yesterday, 02:03
         

        Topic: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Yes Yes girls You have ganged up on me. My Esteem is in very poor shape, I may not be able to get through my steak dinner tonight. I am glad nothing has changed Sharon. Still tellilng lies,still whining like the little cunt you are. Also glad to have rented that VERY cheap space in yours,and your &q...
        by liarsexposed
        12 Jun 2010, 23:47
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Wow guys I guess I have been quite popular. I just gotta say, I had a couple huge laughs at your expense today. Thank you You can write what you want. Twist it into anything you like. But the facts still remain. In fact Marky there are only 2 things keeping you from driving up the street to confront...
        by liarsexposed
        12 Jun 2010, 03:13
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        "Psy" Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood. I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it i...
        by liarsexposed
        09 Jun 2010, 16:29
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me. A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked. Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture. As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just ...
        by liarsexposed
        09 Jun 2010, 12:16
         

        Re: The way of the Kruglik
        I want to know what your connection to Homosexual sex,and beastiality is Sharon
        I think its pretty clear you arent getting any
        Maybe you should solicit the homeless
        Be a public service for you to blow all the homeless in Freeport
        Give untill it hurts Sharon !
        by liarsexposed
        08 Jun 2010, 15:26
         

        Re: TCK Lives on!
        Paul This will be the only response you are going to get from me. Sharon and Mark have more than earned the harsh words from me. Either you werent around when it started,or you were pretending to be someone else. (very common practice here) I have not been a participant here in a very long time and ...
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 22:10
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        I am afraid I am fresh out of time for your insanity today Sharon Took part of the day off to play in the water. Any time you decide you have the guts to speak face to face,and or back up what you have to say You know where I am at Anne... Thanks for letting me have a laugh at your expense as well T...
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 18:55
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        You are correct
        I was ignoring you
        Come talk shit to my face
        Bring a lunch troll
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 18:06
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Pretty sure the only cocksucker here is Marky Babbletits
        He is still in the closet about it
        But we know
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 18:00
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Wow a new acct b by another troll
        Shocking
        If you have a question Sharon.. Why not just ask me ?
        I am not your enemy
        You do enough damage to yourself,all by yourself
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 17:50
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        6 minutes Anne?
        You are slipping
        If you only had something of value to contribute. Maybe I would be willing to participate.
        Pretty funny.. a troll defending a troll
        Go hug someone Anne. Gotta be better than reading the poison that spews from Marky and Sharon
        Vengence they say LOL
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 17:46
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Awwwe DId you 2 get your feelers hurt ? Try telling the truth.. It shall set you free Instead of posting as yourselves you have been reduced to trolling. Wasnt it you Sharon, who wrote post after post about trolls being bad ? Dishonest ? Hurtful ? Now look at ya. Look at what you have been reduced t...
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 17:06
         

        Re: Some help for folks who can identify
        Sharon has learned a new computer skill. Last week she learned how to cut and paste. Next week who knows.. maybe she'll fly the Space Shuttle. . We missed you. Did they make you stay the whole 72 hours ? Did you get yourself some new pills ? I saw your sense of humor last night and was genuinely imp...
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 02:20
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Hmm wonder which liar Jeffrey is pretending to be I guess if its Marky (suckacock) Babbletits Or Sharon VIctim Its still the same lies,same deciet,nothing has changed except your sceen name. Interesting how you spew one thing,then act like the morons you are Danny may be an idiot But you 2 are liars...
        by liarsexposed
        03 Jun 2010, 20:50
         

        Re: The Right to Privacy
        SharonMcCarthy wrote:
        :karma:

        OMG Sharon. I think we have had a freakin breakthrough
        I almost PISSED myself when I saw that
        God Bless ya I needed that
        good night
        by liarsexposed
        03 Jun 2010, 01:44
         

        Re: The Right to Privacy
        I totally understand where your coming from. I also believe too many people purposely try to obtain information just to be nosey bastards. The only solution is actually to read a book instead of coming on the internet. However, our lives do now fully need some form of access. I have heard there are...
        by liarsexposed
        02 Jun 2010, 22:19
         

        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        Who are you talking to Sharon ?
        Who do you think the Drama Box was made for ?
        Go hug your kids and mind your own business you dizzy bitch
        You see.. when YOU start something you cannot finish
        Someone always will
        Fuckin crybaby/Attention seeker
        Are ya 12 ?
        by liarsexposed
        01 Jun 2010, 20:01
         

        Re: Simply put please don't contact me again for the last ti
        Matt, I truly agree when someone requests there to be no contact I believe it is best others respect that. However, you and I both know some people just don't get it. They continue to harrass others in an amusing way. Just remember to consider the source. Now that IS funny Sharon Did you just come ...
        by liarsexposed
        01 Jun 2010, 17:37
         

        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        Are you done "purging" yourself yet Danny ? You have been "Purging" yourself for 5 months,through hundreds of posts,in dozens of threads. They all say the same thing.. NOTHING I think what people are saying is they are sick of you,and yoru attention seeking antics. Its time to gr...
        by liarsexposed
        01 Jun 2010, 13:59
         

        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        So you are claiming to be a victim ? Is that what I am hearing Danny. Everyone is wrong but Danny. Seems I have heard that before. I dont know what your purpose here is. I have no interest in your FB page. You were bloccked months ago for your part in attacking me with your pals Sharon and Mark. You...
        by liarsexposed
        28 May 2010, 17:20
         

        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        Danny Unless you have plagerized that story about Michael's first day,its a bald face lie Dano That is my belief Michael,another Michael,and myself were bunkmates for over a year. I never heard these stories you are telling,and everyone used to tell their stories,as to how they were, when they arriv...
        by liarsexposed
        28 May 2010, 02:31
         

        Re: How to finish.......inspiring.
        Danny Marky is just on the rag. You see its been a while since he posted (as himself) and (like you) was in dire need of some attention. Hopefully he will do Fox Lake/Round Lake a huge favor and just kill himself. He is but a menace,and a drain on society. He has been cheating our Federal Govt for q...
        by liarsexposed
        25 May 2010, 02:59
         

        Re: How to finish.......inspiring.
        Hi Marky Saw you were putting others down. Wonder why an unemployed,broke dick,liar,cheater,and a thief would talk about others deciet. Lets talk about your problems Marky... Hows that whole IRS thing workin out ? Caught in a big lie huh? .. Hows the jobsearch going ? Or is it easier to get yoru Lin...h found 54 matches
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Sorry Sharon I dont know what the scratch and sniff thing means.. But as long as you are spinning,and seeking attention here's some for you How about another thread full of lies .. Been a few days since I called you out on them,and you threw a tantrum. Great Icons Too bad you lack command of the Eng...
        by liarsexposed
        01 May 2010, 23:08
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Poor Marky (liar,cheater,common thief,criminal) I would like to be sorry about you running off like this, but thats what cowards do. Is it really that hard to act like a person ? Is your life really that bad that you cannot admit a role in this ? Are you so small that when you are busted.. You canno...
        by liarsexposed
        01 May 2010, 12:56
         

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        ...
        by liarsexposed
        30 Apr 2010, 22:00
         

        Re: Penis Pumps
        Gee Sharon Nobody but me giving you attention today. Do you feel better ? Ya know.. For a woman with all them kids.. you sure have alot of time to Whine on fornits. You poor thing.. I bet you have 1st hand knowledge about pumping the cock regularly. That is until the guy see's what a fucking Lunatic...
        by liarsexposed
        30 Apr 2010, 00:19
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: His Superior Arty has spoken...big fucken deal 4 years off 46 wow. Thanks for admitting your age for everyone.....I was 17, you were an adult nice one good going ARTY. I was a minor, you were an adult slime ball. :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :w...
        by liarsexposed
        29 Apr 2010, 21:44
         

        Re: Don’t talk to aliens, someone warn Art and Danny
        ....
        by liarsexposed
        29 Apr 2010, 20:19
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        I only have a couple comments to add Sharon 1) am only 46... posting more mis-information what a shocker ! 2)wow the intellignece.. for the love of Mike.. Find the spellcheck key 3) Take danny's advice... Go hug your babies.... 4) WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...
        by liarsexposed
        29 Apr 2010, 20:04
         

        Re: Homosexuals disgust me
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        by liarsexposed
        29 Apr 2010, 17:52
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Those who troll ? LOL Marky.. I mean Jeff Cooper.. I mean Gary..Umm Gerald.. I could go on but.. Who would be shitting who Babbletits? Again playing the fraud.. and winning... Prove you right ? About what Marky ? Being an unemployed loser, that sits home smoking dope playing "Puter" ? Atta...
        by liarsexposed
        29 Apr 2010, 12:23
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Hey Marky
        Could you enlighten us as to who Gary Stadler is ?
        Thanks Marky
        You can go back to serviceing the homeless men in Fox Lake
        by liarsexposed
        26 Apr 2010, 21:41
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Awwe Sharon You cant pin that Liar thing on me darlin. I tell the truth. I dont have any fake sisters/family members. I dont create hate groups. I dont seek attention on an anonymous forum.When I am wrong,I promptly admit it. I could go on but really, you have become very boring... Beyond your atten...
        by liarsexposed
        26 Apr 2010, 12:08
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        agreed
        Could you or Marky come up with some new lies. Maybe something we havent heard yet.
        Whats boring is your behavior. How about that apology to the Admin here at Fornits for your little tantrum ?
        Here's some attention for you .. MMM KKKay ?
        by liarsexposed
        25 Apr 2010, 17:22
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        http://planetross.files.wordpress.com/2 ... hting1.jpg (http://planetross.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fighting1.jpg) There there Anne. Someone will want to play with you. Its just not me. Only 10 minutes for a reply ? You are slipping girl.. Its almost,as if you had a life. That couldnt be true.. at least not a quality of life I would admire.. Maybe some...
        by liarsexposed
        22 Apr 2010, 18:56
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        LOL These two.... Sharon the Drama Queen Victim.. and Babbletits the Fraud ! Gotta be the biggest losers on the planet. Marky Our pal asked me about ya the other day. I guess after being busted in a lie (one of many) its too hard to show your face. Not to mention you are a coward Arent you on vacati...
        by liarsexposed
        22 Apr 2010, 15:29
         

        Re: Who is the bigger loser: Anne Bonney or Dysfunction Junction
        SharonMcCarthy wrote:
        Wow.........seems to me only a big ass loser would even start a thread asking who was a big loser....        

        Or participate in a thread dedicated to losers
        Sharon.. You are in the right place
        by liarsexposed
        21 Apr 2010, 12:28
         



        From:It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Thats funny I have 34 emails from former elan residents who say differently. Some are from people in my day,some earlier,and a couple of recent grads (within a couple years). Even tho they do not participate here,they read it. Including,but not limited to, someone who was there with Sharon who point...
        by liarsexposed
        20 Apr 2010, 20:26
         

        Re: It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Anne I have no idea what you are talking about. I was not talking to you,or about you. I am sorry for you relationship troubles. This is an ongoing tantrum,that Sharon has been throwing since Dec 31st,with respect to me. I have read countless lies written both about me and others which I have called...
        by liarsexposed
        20 Apr 2010, 19:56
         

        Re: It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Try to stay focussed on the task at hand... Which is Elan. My job has no place in this discussion. Though what I do, I have been doing since I was a young man. I am very good at it. In fact others depend on me,so far,in 22 states to train,implement policy,and guide others in this business. I am paid...
        by liarsexposed
        20 Apr 2010, 17:58
         
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        Re: It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Geez Sharon.. Pretty dramatic Here's my take In my day there were probably 300-400 "residents. They are now down to 30 something. I like to think that the letters,emails and bad press from websites (including this one) are largely responsible for this. They are going out of business. I cant thi...
        by liarsexposed
        19 Apr 2010, 20:48
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Ahhhhh The other Liar ! :soapbox: How suprising that Sharon is here to seek attention right along with her pal Babbletits. :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: Two coward,Two Liars.. You two should get married,and have lots of kids Could you tell a few lies...
        by liarsexposed
        18 Apr 2010, 17:04
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        :rocker: But thats what keep ,the weak going,. On the world wide web they have that audience they crave and cant find in the regular world,so they seek strangers for support, I wonder how they go about dating ??. Maybe on the internet too, after all they can be who ever they want up to the date, an...
        by liarsexposed
        18 Apr 2010, 01:03
         
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        Re: From Staff list for Elan School
        :shamrock: :shamrock: My name is Daniel L. Bennison and I am on this staff list. I was a Ass. Director and a staff member, from 1/77 - 11/78. No need to doubt that. Danny Danny you really need to stop beating yourself up so much, yes you were staff but in my eyes you took so much these past months ...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Apr 2010, 22:25
         

        Re: Mentally ill fornit people in Élan forum
        liarsexposed wrote: Promoting change starts from within Shut the fuck up would be doing your part and maybe.. MAYBE some others may participate ::fullofshit:: Who would want to participate when if you share a different opinion you are attacked multiple times,on multiple sites,by you,your children an...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Apr 2010, 21:06
         

        Re: We Are Survivors and We Are Many
        People don't respond to your topics because you post the same thing on this website in every other forum. alright then since your such an little opinionated expert why dont you get off your lame ass and get this ball roliing then.....instead of trying to bait others with your bad karma sweetie. Per...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Apr 2010, 19:40
         
         :beat:  :beat:  Man it's so funny how he runs around talking his shit and calling people out, but follows up everything by[ I will call the police] it will tell Dream Host, I will tell I will tell, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  
        From:
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        here is a forwarded message from dreamhost including his complaint.

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        From: DreamHost Customer Support Team
        Date: January 28, 2010 6:57:48 PM EST


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        Hello,

        Do we have a right to ask for a copy of the original complaint?

        Yes, of course you do. Here is a copy of the last DMCA they sent us:

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        The URLs where our copyrighted material is located include

        You can reach me for further information or clarification

        Art Warshawsky








        The email address of the website owner, who has reprinted our content
        illegally, is
        I have a good faith belief that use of the copyrighted materials
        described above as allegedly infringing is not authorized by the
        copyright owner, its agent, or the law.

        I swear, under penalty of perjury, that the information in the
        notification is accurate and that I am the copyright owner or am
        authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is
        allegedly infringed.
        /Art Warshawsky/

        Art Warshawsky
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        I will tell, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: ,  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  gosh this doenst look like such a bad ass, Arent you the one calling everyone out and threatening folks here. And when they come around you yell help, Fart your a liar and a snitch, and your own words say that pretty clear. We are sure Mike and Ginger more than feel the same. after all you dont see them out here defending you, as a matter of fact they are just recording you for your next outburst, they are watching you torment and just bother others, seeing how you insight fights and problems from many of the good people here. They are watching you hang yourself and good. Yea your going to get everyone who defies you big bad fart.Choke on your coffee today man of empty threats, and think of what problems legally you have coming at you.Us here at Fornits cant wait for your next complaint, so we can expose you to the rest of the world. Keep in mind you are the one who started bashing and talking crazy once the site was left back up and you have done a fine job stepping all over yourself. Do you really think Ginger and Mike let you stay for any other reason than to pay you back for all the years of your bull-shit, We all new you would come back tooting your horn like you won something at the fair.And this round you have been recorded by everyone and we invite your complaints. You are the only one who has made any threats and out and out stalked people here. We have told some people here not to respond to you, just to let you hang yourself stalking and tormenting them and its worked perfectly. We have you making threats and preaching vile. this time around the records were kept on you. Fool us once shame on , ya know the rest, This time its shame for you,[[ :beat:  :beat:  No one here will threaten you or come to your junk yard or girlfriends house as you like to invite people to do, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: You have already said you will and have called the police and complained :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: You say this Babbitts guy came to your house and you chased him away with your dog, Great story but doesnt sound right, first of all how do you know it was him,?? did he get out and say something to you,?? He posted he has never met you before, so how do you know him Fart,?? If someone came to my house looking for me I wouldn't be antagonizing them, unless your just stupid or lying again. I think your lying and stupid, if this guy was going to look you up he would have but no ones going to come near anyone if the cops have been threatened. so why tell such fantastic stories,???. Some of your present history is above read it over and pick out your lie's. :karma:  :karma:  PS the Dream Host complaint is public record and property of Fonits and the users. :beat:  :beat:  You put yourself in print no one else, so enjoy the stage or just go away. But you and your hate is not welcome or wanted here as Elan Reporter and many others have told you for years.You are the one who couldn't leave the lid on your box. So now reap the benefits of your vile ways. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:                                                     :feedtrolls: " Latest Record "  :feedtrolls:
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Doesnt have to be like this Sharon. Stop playing games and I go away.
        Isnt that what you want. No more contact ?
        Make it happen

        You cant do it,can you ?
        Shut up and leave it alone. If you dont act like a retard, you cant get any attention I guess
        How sad for you
        Tell the truth sharon
        by liarsexposed
        Yesterday, 12:00
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Must bring you great comfort, to make this pissing match about being an ex-staffer,or a woman hater,or anything else you want to use to cover the truth,and your responsibility in this 6 month assault. You are the victim. I came out of nowhere and started attacking you. Tell the truth Sharon. Be a WO...
        by liarsexposed
        Yesterday, 00:03
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        and without fornits where would you daily be able to bully and try to belittle people. Shit you should be paying fornits for allowing you to run free without a leash. Please you are a complete mess little man. You are a waste of life complete waste. Bet mommy and daddy are so proud of what their ba...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Jun 2010, 21:08
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Bring it on Sharon
        Put up or shut the fuck up you dizzy bitch
        Been threatening me since Dec 31st.. You are a coward
        where would you be without Fornits ?
        Where would you run your mouth ?
        Cunt
        by liarsexposed
        15 Jun 2010, 20:22
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Mark is a coward like yourself
        'Talk tough on a web forum.. Put up or shut up
        I think he/you should call the police.. Yep thats what you should do
        or you could do the world a favor and kill yourself
        by liarsexposed
        15 Jun 2010, 19:46
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Poor Marky Still spreading hate and bile. AS an anonymous troll. Who are you afraid of ? Why hide unless you are lying ? I dont need to lie. The truth about you and your partner is scary enough Felice thinks I wont be her friend because she is your friend. In fact I told her I would have to delete h...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Jun 2010, 15:39
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        fArt, when you run on wonder lakes beach, can you make your man tits bounce up and down like Bay Watch's Pamela Anderson? :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: Reporter I dont run anywhere,but to the bathroom. But no matter how fat I get, My tits will never bounce like Pamela's :roflmao: :roflmao...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Jun 2010, 13:44
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        YAWWWWWWWN this is about as much about an Ex-staffperson As sharon is still a virgin But thanks for the laughs.. That was good ! YesYes the big bad art planned for you to assauklt him,steal from him,harass him and when the big bad art fought back you suddenly became a victim Am gonna go now Am so sa...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Jun 2010, 00:05
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Perfect example of dishonest cowards crying
        by liarsexposed
        14 Jun 2010, 16:40
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Sorry I made you cry today Marky Actually you DID post that you met me in Me.. But I kinda caught you in that lie too So what you are saying is.. You 2 morons have no part in this little tantrum of yours every day Art just came back to fornits by himself and attacked you 2 without provocation ? LOOO...
        by liarsexposed
        14 Jun 2010, 14:55
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Pretty Cool Trollboy
        Now post Sharon's rants and verbal vomit.
        That should take up 4-5 pages
        Be sure to include all her Screen names as its extremely imprtant she gets the attention she has earned !
        Try not to shit yourself today girls
        by liarsexposed
        14 Jun 2010, 13:54
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Pretty Cool Trollboy
        Now post Sharon's rants and verbal vomit.
        That should take up 4-5 pages
        Be sure to include all her Screen names as its extremely imprtant she gets the attention she has earned !
        Try not to shit yourself today girls
        by liarsexposed
        14 Jun 2010, 13:54
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        He "fArt" must be very over whelmed. I think this is officially a record of fArt haters at one time here. If there was no internet chat rooms, or forums, you know well that fArt would not be bothering anyone, he certainly would be too much of a coward to come face to face and try to pull ...
        by liarsexposed
        13 Jun 2010, 17:55
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Ha dude You are going to do well here this time around. You have tons in common with Mark and Sharon. Hate and bile at its finest. Now all you have to do is just tweak your lying a bit,so you sound a little more psychotic,and you will fit in perfectly This has been fun and educational. But you still...
        by liarsexposed
        13 Jun 2010, 02:03
         


        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Yes Yes girls You have ganged up on me. My Esteem is in very poor shape, I may not be able to get through my steak dinner tonight. I am glad nothing has changed Sharon. Still tellilng lies,still whining like the little cunt you are. Also glad to have rented that VERY cheap space in yours,and your &q...
        by liarsexposed
        12 Jun 2010, 23:47
         

         :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 14, 2010, 09:55:11 AM
        Sorry I made you cry today Marky
        Actually you DID post that you met me in Me.. But I kinda caught you in that lie too
        So what you are saying is.. You 2 morons have no part in this little tantrum of yours every day
        Art just came back to fornits by himself and attacked you 2 without provocation ?
        LOOOOOOOOL
        I have work to do
        You really arent worth responding to. Everythingthing you type is just another lie
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 14, 2010, 10:11:09 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Sorry I made you cry today Marky
        Actually you DID post that you met me in Me.. But I kinda caught you in that lie too
        So what you are saying is.. You 2 morons have no part in this little tantrum of yours every day
        Art just came back to fornits by himself and attacked you 2 without provocation ?
        LOOOOOOOOL
        I have work to do
        You really arent worth responding to. Everythingthing you type is just another lie
        :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Those are your lie' above stupid. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: Go away your a nasty person :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New