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Title: "oliverian school"
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2008, 03:00:40 PM
who knows anything about it?? hyde knockoff right? anyone been therE?
Title: Re: "oliverian school"
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2009, 02:55:08 PM
anyone
Title: Re: "oliverian school"
Post by: psy on January 07, 2009, 03:07:14 PM
certainly has an ironic name.

Please sir... I'd like some more...  information about this place.  where did you hear of it?
Title: Re: "oliverian school"
Post by: Oscar on January 07, 2009, 03:34:20 PM
They are an ISPA member (our datasheet (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Category:ISPA) has nothing much to tell about them)

Beside Discovery and Red Cliff Wilderness they have some of the soft programs.

When we have the time we will investigate the programs further. Here is a link to their present membership list (http://http://www.ispaaac.com/about.htm).

They dont call themselves therapeutic. You can look at their student handbook here (http://http://www.oliverianschool.org/documents/2008handbook.pdf)

They go home during holidays. The family can visit after 4 weeks. Not a lot of red lights. I could properly find a boarding school or a continuation school (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Category:Continuation_schools_in_Denmark) here in Denmark almost as strict, if I looked around.

They are low priority for us to investigate them. If they were not a member at ISPA, we wouldn't have found them. Maybe they are meant to be a stop between program and the home. Teens who have been broken down in one of the other programs being member at ISPA could be warehoused here in a not to strict structure until they are adults for a lesser fee than a full scale program.
Title: Re: "oliverian school"
Post by: Ursus on January 07, 2009, 04:03:44 PM
Well...it is not a Hyde knockoff, though some of the terms are similar. (Hyde has tremendous disdain for professional psychs, so there ya go.)

At first glance on the homepage (http://http://www.oliverianschool.org/), it seems somewhat benign... very little mention of anything other than mainstream background in most faculty/staff profiles; but.... Lon Woodbury seems to like it. And Peter Stevens, Dean of Academics, is formerly from Academy at Swift River. On a re-read, I see several more experiential and therapeutic teaching stints mentioned amongst notes on the faculty, although none are as explicitly referenced as Mr. Stevens'.

The "caring culture" (http://http://www.oliverianschool.org/culture/index.html) seems artificially imposed and discussed a little too extensively; never a good sign. The counseling environment (http://http://www.oliverianschool.org/culture/laurens_letter.html) also appears to be a major part of student life there.

All in all, possibly not as coercive as most programs on fornits, but one that I'd definitely keep my eye on. It hasn't been around all that long. Former students haven't had enough of a chance to speak up, in case there have been incidents of abuse... And for all we know, the flowery language on the website could be more than a little misleading, when it comes down to actually experiencing the place.
Title: Re: "oliverian school"
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2009, 11:47:11 AM
Looking for information about Oliverian School
Title: Re: "oliverian school"
Post by: cmack on November 26, 2011, 10:35:55 AM
They've made a few changes to further separate themselves from the TBS/BM mold. Students are now allowed to have their own cellphones, although they are collected by dorm parents at 10:15 PM each night and returned to students following academic classes the next day. Students are allowed to call, text, email anyone they wish.

Here's a copy of their new Student/Parent Handbook: http://www.oliverianschool.org/document ... ndbook.pdf (http://www.oliverianschool.org/documents/2011handbook.pdf)

According to this site: http://www.boardingschoolreview.com/sch ... ool_id/350 (http://www.boardingschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/350) they have about 50 students and annual tuition is $61,950.

Here's a poorly written review by a consultant: http://wwwboardingschoolplacement.blogs ... chool.html (http://wwwboardingschoolplacement.blogspot.com/2010/06/oliverian-school.html) . It says:
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We found. while there are certainly no perfect students at Oliverian. Many students do come from wilderness progams before coming to Oliverian. The school is less restrictive in rules and expectations are simply to help student achieve sucess and being responsible. Barclays says: " if a student does not want to be here, they can leave". "We do not believe in making kids come to here, nor do we want them here if they don't want to be here". At Oliverian, we simply want our students to want to be here". The most interesting part of coming to Oliverian is their sucess rate. The campus is absoutely beautiful, simple natural, very much like living in a home setting, but very nuturing, to students.

A student who might be choosen to come to Oliverian might a student not as sucessful in a restricted residental treatment program. The student certainly need to be somewhat mature, but has direction in being more accoutable, and enjoys being in the outdoors.

There don't appear to be any kind of LGAT seminars and while all students meet with their adviser/counselor each week, group therapy doesn't seem to be required of all students. Groups seem to be based upon the individual needs of students such as: substance abuse, adoption issues, etc.

Here's a silly student made video of an Oliverian student and the Dean of Students dancing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RpfVexmxME (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RpfVexmxME)

Oliverian facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/OliverianSchool ... ?sk=photos (http://www.facebook.com/OliverianSchool#!/OliverianSchool?sk=photos)

Oliverian homepage: http://www.oliverianschool.org/ (http://www.oliverianschool.org/)
Title: Re: "oliverian school"
Post by: Ursus on November 26, 2011, 12:56:37 PM
Quote from: "cmack"
Here's a poorly written review by a consultant: http://wwwboardingschoolplacement.blogs ... chool.html (http://wwwboardingschoolplacement.blogspot.com/2010/06/oliverian-school.html) . It says:
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We found. while there are certainly no perfect students at Oliverian. Many students do come from wilderness progams before coming to Oliverian. The school is less restrictive in rules and expectations are simply to help student achieve sucess and being responsible. Barclays says: " if a student does not want to be here, they can leave". "We do not believe in making kids come to here, nor do we want them here if they don't want to be here". At Oliverian, we simply want our students to want to be here". The most interesting part of coming to Oliverian is their sucess rate. The campus is absoutely beautiful, simple natural, very much like living in a home setting, but very nuturing, to students.

A student who might be choosen to come to Oliverian might a student not as sucessful in a restricted residental treatment program. The student certainly need to be somewhat mature, but has direction in being more accoutable, and enjoys being in the outdoors.
This "educational consultant," Kenneth Davis, has also seen fit to give laudatory reviews to Diamond Ranch Academy, Oxbow Academy and Copper Canyon Academy, all of which are pretty widely recognized as major hellholes.

Moreover, despite allegedly visiting and investigating all of these close to two dozen schools on this so-called blog, Mr. Davis is apparently hard pressed to find the correct spelling for Massachusetts, or Connecticut, let alone the city with the tongue-twisting name of Hartford, CT. There are also a surprising number of facts that he simply has flat out wrong, e.g., the capital of Utah is not "St Lake City," there is no such place as "Williamstown College" located in or near Williamstown, MA (http://http://www.campusexplorer.com/colleges/search/?city=E8568958), etc. etc. So... I'd say his credibility factor is pretty close to zero.

Mr. Davis has even written a book (http://http://www.amazon.com/Parent-Guide-Hiring-Educational-Consultant/dp/0615268072/187-7492721-9493914?SubscriptionId=1Y0XKFB8S7MD7GG73PR2), probably self-published (spiral bound) and using the same grammatical expertise, no doubt, given the sole (and laudatory) review by someone who is clearly in the same profession and/or a close personal friend of his. Conveniently, that book seems to be no longer available, and hopefully never was for any substantial period of time.
Title: Re: "oliverian school"
Post by: cmack on November 26, 2011, 01:11:31 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
This "educational consultant" has also seen fit to give laudatory reviews to Diamond Ranch Academy and Copper Canyon. Uh... believability quotient? Zero.

He has even written a book (http://http://www.amazon.com/Parent-Guide-Hiring-Educational-Consultant/dp/0615268072/187-7492721-9493914?SubscriptionId=1Y0XKFB8S7MD7GG73PR2), probably self-published and using the same grammatical expertise, no doubt, given the sole (and laudatory) review by someone who is clearly in the same profession and/or a close personal friend of his. Conveniently, that book seems to be no longer available.

I wonder if English is a second language for this guy? The syntax is terrible, and in the age of spell-checker there's just no excuse for the spelling errors. He portrays himself as a professional educational consultant, but he looses all credibility with the grammatical errors.