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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 12, 2005, 07:23:00 PM
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anyone?
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If anyone was at Spring Creek Lodge in 2004, please post here and tell about your experiences.
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I just read this entire piece and was absolutely shocked. How they lied to him and his family. It's terrible how they ruin families like this.
History gives us a kind of chart, and we dare not surrender even a small rushlight in the darkness. The hasty reformer who does not remember the past will find himself condemned to repeat it.
--John Buchan
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The fine folks at SCL lied to me and my family too. They seriously mistreatd my son.One one I'll be traveling up there to me the family rep whp told me she'd take good care of my son.That she'd give him a kiss for me.
He told me that she told hom I knew he was in the Hobbit. I didnt .
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They lie to the children to break them down. They want them to believe that their parents don't care anymore. The case managers tell parents what they want to hear. Any program that prevents parents and children from interacting is not appropriate. These programs tear families and parent/child relationships apart instead of helping to mend them.
Psychedelics often produce psychotic and even violent behavior in those who have never used them.
--Timothy Leary
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I went to Spring Creek, and I graduated. Why it was no walk in the park. In no way did they ever once try to convince me that my parents didn't care. They did quite the opposite. When I went in, me and my mom had a really bad relationship. Now it is completely different.
Why is it that you will believe all of the negative stuff you read on the internet about these places, but won't even listen to anyone that says anything positive about them? I bet you are the same people that tell your kids not to believe everything you read or see on tv.
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amen! Sister...or brother
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But take my word for it there are hundreds of thousands of us out there that did graduate that are grateful for those places.
this is a quote from another one of Browns posts. brown is obviously deluded. how's the weather up in the clouds, wwaspie? :???:
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Brown, so you made it through in 14 months, and stayed after you turned 18? They must of had you shakin' in your boots huh? :scared: So you were 4 months into the program...and then had the opportunity to leave and get on with your life- but you chose to stay at a psudo-cult? Sounds a little strange if you ask me.... maybe you can explain why.
You should exchange emails with Perri, and you can discuss how you guys love the program and how you wouldn't be alive without it. We've heard it all before man. Come back in 10 years and tell us the same thing... please. :tup:
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Are you so caught up with yourself that you can't even listen to another person's point of view? You know what scares me, is that there are people out there as ignorant as you. If you don't want to read what I write thats great, don't read it. If telling me to go away and to come back in ten years makes you feel better. Go ahead. It doesn't really bother me.
Your right I did graduate in 14 months. And I am proud of that. They in no way had me "shakin' in my boots." I chose to stay after I turned 18 because I wanted to. I knew that by staying I would be better off. Say whatever you want. You call it a "psudo-cult?" Thats cool, call it whatever you want. It worked for me. And it worked for a lot of the other kids that were there the same time I was.
Keep posting under Anonymous. It is really easy to criticise other people that way isn't it? At least I lend a little credibility to what I am saying. Anyone that want's to get in touch with me has an email address to contact me. You? All you do is come on here to do is to criticise others. You don't actually add ANY inteligent thoughts.
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I just read your entire story and I want to say that you are one strong boy. I hope you have a wonderful life and that somehow you are able to reunite with your family. If not, remember there are a lot of good people out in the world. We can choose our friends, not our families. My own step-father was abusive and I don't have anything to do with him any more. I've learned to live with it and find happiness with others. Good luck to you!! I hope you were able to reunite with your mother. I am sure those were all lies as well, at least I hope so.
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On 2005-04-29 22:24:00, Brown wrote:
"All you do is come on here to do is to criticise others. You don't actually add ANY inteligent thoughts."
It's "intelligent" :wave: :em:
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On 2005-04-30 07:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-04-29 22:24:00, Brown wrote:
"All you do is come on here to do is to criticise others. You don't actually add ANY inteligent thoughts."
It's "intelligent" :wave: :lol: :lol:
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I was at Spring Creek Lodge for 9 months... i hated every minute of it.
Let me just tell you..personal experience...
my family rep lied to all of my friends at spring creek countless amounts of times.told my parents lies.. and basically it was a time of misery... i am much happier now and im doing very well.. and no i dont need to thank spring creek for it
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On 2005-04-29 21:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"But take my word for it there are hundreds of thousands of us out there that did graduate that are grateful for those places.
this is a quote from another one of Browns posts. brown is obviously deluded. how's the weather up in the clouds, wwaspie? :???: "
Another fine example of how the Program "works". I'm sure Brown believes what he says. And I'm equally sure it's 100% bullshit. The Program doesn't really make your life better. It just makes you a really good salesman who works for free.To be an atheist requires strength of mind and goodness of heart found in not one of a thousand.
--Samuel Taylor Coleridge, English poet, critic, journalist, philosopher
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Look dude, I was like you not too long ago. I thought the program was the reason I was "better" Truth be told I am basically the same person I have always been. The program changed my mentality for a short time, but as soon as I wasnt isnt he structured brainwashing place I was in 24/7 I "relapsed". It took alot of soul searhing and alot of time to realize I was wrong about CCM. They are corrupt. I am only glad I went because of the friends I have made and after talking to them about this forum, many agree with me and feel it is a corrupt place.
Perri is my good friend. Although I dont agree wiht her anymore about the program, I love her. she is a good kid. Perri also went to the college program which helped her tremedously because you get to basically live without the program. The had "privleges" we never had. But I hope you can really look at your time there and see if it was really that great. One thing that caught my eye from another post that got my attention was this girl who said she felt scared all the time that she would drop, even if she had done nothing wrong. Felt that way too, and no one should live that way. Not to mention they brainwash you into a program mentalitly and set you up to fail because they have no way of unbrainwashing you for the real world. I felt the same way you did about the program too, so I understand you more than you think. The people here are just trying to get you to see the truth about these places.
Amanda
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i was at spring creek all of 2004 and most of 2005 and 2003. shit is whack
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On 2005-04-26 08:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The fine folks at SCL lied to me and my family too. They seriously mistreatd my son.One one I'll be traveling up there to me the family rep whp told me she'd take good care of my son.That she'd give him a kiss for me.
He told me that she told hom I knew he was in the Hobbit. I didnt ."
:sad:
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Family reps are paid to lie to the parents, drop their children from the higher levels to obtain more tuition fees for an extended amount of time, etc. The worst person (family rep. area) has to be Patty Witt. Her husband owns Second Chance Escort Services. She is a coniving, piece of shit, whore!!
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Why is it that you will believe all of the negative stuff you read on the internet about these places, but won't even listen to anyone that says anything positive about them?
Because people are paid to refer clients there. Who would have better credibility in your mind, a vacume cleaner salesman or someone that actually uses the product?
I bet you are the same people that tell your kids not to believe everything you read or see on tv.
And you do believe everything you read or see on TV? I'm not attacking you, just asking.
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But take my word for it there are hundreds of thousands of us out there that did graduate that are grateful for those places.
this is a quote from another one of Browns posts. brown is obviously deluded. how's the weather up in the clouds, wwaspie? :???:
@brown - instead of asking to take your word for it, show us the proof.
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Are you so caught up with yourself that you can't even listen to another person's point of view?
Sorry man, i don't want to seem like i'm picking on you, but the problem with listening to the pro-wwasp side is like i stated earlier; we have no way of knowing who can be trusted because people are paid to refer clients. It is also blatantly obvious that people post here and elsewhere posing as x-clients and parents and are probably paid to do so, either directly or indirectly through referral fees.
Am i saying that NO wwasp facility every helped ANYONE? No, i'm not. I have little reason to doubt that a number of kids are better off as a result of being there and you may well be one of them. I also have no doubt that many of these same kids would have been helped better by non-wwasp facilities. However, you will never convince anyone that has done their homework, read the personal client and parent accounts, talked to desperate parents in tears on the phone trying to get their kids out because they know they're being abused, read the court transcripts, read the media coverage, saw the films, videos and photographs that WWASP and others are anything other than CRIMINAL, FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS with massive political influence. And again, these people have destroyed the credibility of, presumably, honest people like yourself by paying people for referrals and infiltrating forums like this posing as parents and x-clients.
Keep posting under Anonymous. It is really easy to criticise other people that way isn't it? At least I lend a little credibility to what I am saying. Anyone that want's to get in touch with me has an email address to contact me. You?
We found something to agree on :) I strongly agree with that statement!!! I do not think that most forums, especially one of this type, should even allow anonymous posting. And yes, you are absolutely right; posting as "anonymous" certainly does nothing for ones credibility.