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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 04, 2005, 03:32:00 AM
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Is it pretty easy to get social security because of the past abuse we endured? I can not hold a job, I can not even live in the same place for more than 2 years. If I get social security, would medical come with it so I can get some help?
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The criteria for Social Security Disability
Income (SSDI) is that the applicant has worked
40 quarters, or 10 years.
The criteria for Supplemental Security Income
(SSI) is for those with less that 10 years
of work contribution, less that $2K in assets.
Both require that the applicant have a diagnosis
from an MD that states the person cannot work for a year or longer. In this case, the government calls
it permanently disabled. Although, the applicant can recover and return to work, either part time or full time. In other words, the criteria states permanent, but permanent is one year or longer, not forever.
If you currently have a doctor who you are working
with then asking if they would support your application for Social Security with a permanent
disability diagnosis. If they say yes, then call 800-772-1213 and begin the process.
Both SSDI and SSI come with insurance.
SSDI comes with Medi-Care, which will pay for doctor visits and hospital care, but not medications.
SSI come with Medi-caide, Medi-Cal in California, wich will cover doctor visits and medications.
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If you have never been to a doctor because of money, and you think that you have developed a diagnosable mental illness, then call your
local County Mental Health Access Line and they will provide you with a free assessment and medical care depending on their eligibility requirements.
If it is a physical ailment, call the County Health and Human Services Department and explain what is going on, and they should be able to give you a referral to get an assessment and appropriate care.
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Medical does come with it. Full medical. I am on it and know all about the process.
Oh, the quater requirements are just for looks don't worry about that
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The quarter requirments are not just for looks,
they determine if the applicant gets SSI or
SSDI.
Perhaps what you meant to say is that when
applying don't worry about SSI or SSDI because
that is determined by the Social Security office.
Meaning there is no choice. Either one has the
quarters and they get SSDI, or they don't and
they get SSI.
The truly big difference is that Medi-caid/Medi-Cal
pays for med, Medicare does not.
SSDI = Medicare
SSI = Medicaid/Medical
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No, it's not easy at all. Most people are denied the first time around and then have to appeal it. It can take years to be approved. I have wittnessed numerous people that have lost everything as the result of waiting for SSI &/or SSD to kick in.
The key is to make sure you get a diagnosis by a doctor so you can "prove" your disabilty. The Social Security office will then send you to a round of "specialists" on their payroll. It can be very hard to convince these people you have a disabilty.
I don't know what state you are in, but here in Michigan you can contact Michigan Protection and Advocacy once you are denied benefits. I would look for a place like this that advocates for the disabled before contacting the money hungry TV lawyers that promise results. You may win your case a lot easier, but will have to pay a large amount in attorney fees. From the date you file for SSI or SSD, once approved you will recieve back pay and it would be a shame to give half of it to these sharks out here.
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I believe it is 30% get turned down the first time.
The most common reason applicants get turned down
is that their doctors do not write down that they
are permanently disabled, which is one year of longer.
If there is no doctor on board, there is no winning.
Referee specialists are utilized. If the claim is
legitimate there should be no problem.
I also do not recommend utilizing attorneys. The
maximum fee by law they can make is 25%. Since the
only thing that motivates attorneys is money, and
not if your have a legitimate claim or not, is
that they delay applications as long as possible
to get a larger commission.
The other reason people do poorly with an Social
Security application is they do not address the
reasons for denial in their appeal rebuttal.
Mental Health, accompanied by objective failures
seems to be scutinized less than applying for
physical illness.
When someone has a mental illness it affects them
in any job capacity. When someone has a physical
illness there are optional careers avaiable.
Please don't be intimidated by the process. Call
the 800 number and let them get you started.
That is assuming you have a good relationship
with a doctor and that the doctor is recommending
that Social Security benefits are appropriate.
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They are all liars.
You can get "SSI"
You fill out the application.
They send you a longer application and you fill it out and return it to them.
They pretend to loose your application and ask you to fill out another.
You telephone and threaten to sue them,then demand to speak to a supervisor.
You threaten to sue the supervisor and your "lost" application is miraculously found.
You wait.
You go to every agency in your community and complain that "nobody is helping me and Im disabled" (you ary trying to get a local social worker to become tired of you calling all the time and eventually write a letter to Social Security (the Judge will eventually get the letter).
They set you up with a crooked doctor that will tell them that you are "ok".
You threaten to sue everybody over the phone,then you will fill out an "appeal" form.
You may ask a lawyer to help (BIG MISTAKE) or you will go to your local "legal aid",but they will refuse to assist you with your appeal.
You WILL have your day in court.You WILL represent yourself.
Make sure you bring newspaper articles about the program abuse (www.rickross.com (http://www.rickross.com)) that was inflicted upon you in the government sponsored child torture program you were forced in to against your will.
After 2.5 years pass,you will go to a hearing with an Administrative Law Judge.
Tell that Judge YOURSELF that you have been run around by local agencies and that you were TORTURED in the "cult" named Straight (or whatever your program was called),etc.
You can get about $385 per month,but you will get that retroactive lump sum check too,about $14,000.
Make sure you DONT WORK EVER after you put in your SSI Application.You can get food stamps while you wait for all this to process,and they have to give them to you and you can tell the food stamp folks to "FUCK OFF!Im waiting for my SSI!"You can keep receiving your food stamps even after your SSI checks start coming.
If you move to California and become a "homeless person" your monthly check will increase to about $1000.
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hey, I've got a better idea. Suck it up, go to work like the rest of us straightlings. And who can live well off $1k/month? Not me.
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That is a silly strategy, plus SSI payments
in California are under $800, not 8,000.
Hopefully the system would detect a fraud.
If someone has a legitimate claim they
can process it themselves, and if they
need help there is help out there.
Anyone who can work would not want to
be on disability. Why choose a lesser
income, for what? Work isn't bad. Most
of the time, if you pick and choose
the type of work that matches your skill
set ... it should be rewarding, besides
the money.
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For those with a true diagnosable disability
there is good news about Social Security and
work.
Just about every treatment program now has
a work compenent to the process.
There are formulas to work for both SSI and
SSDI that are fair.
If one earns more than the high limit and gets
off of benefits and gets fired the person automatically gets reinstated, for up to five
years after benefits end.
Disability is not designed to keep someone
from working, it is the opposite, to get someone
back to work and self-sufficient and functioning
normally, or with normally with the help of
ADA job accomodations for both physical and
mental illnesses.
That is why all SSI and SSDI recipients have
their cases reviewed in predetermined cycles
of either every 1, 3 or 7 years.
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In the US for some reason Social Security is
open season for criticism by uniformed citizens,
politicians and the media.
It is a program that works and the US has benefited from Rosevelt's wisdom more than
you can imagine. Or rather, imagine the US
without social security?
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I made a mistake on my earlier post.
The work criteria for SSI to SSDI is
20 quarters (5 years) out of the last
40 quarters (10 years).
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As an unmedicated Severe Manic, I held down several jobs. I put in my time, worked my 40 hours or more for whatever wage was paying. The first and farmost most dangerous job was as a Web Press Attendant at GTE Directories. Several times I was called upon to fill the ink trays while the press was running at top speed. Any loose clothing or hair caught between the rollers would instantly transform me into a smear of blood and matted hair across about 80 yards of paper. There were many a night I fought back the urge to just jam my hand in and end it all in a second.
Next came the U.S. Army where I learned to drive tanks and blow stuff up. I was drummed out on a Section 8 with no Examination, therefore there was no problem for the Government to have to pay for right?
One year at a smaller Printing Firm and I just lost it. In a fit of depression, I quit my job and started working day labor. That way when I was hung over, I did'nt have to call in and bullshit, I simply did not show up for work. Two years later I was pretty much part-time homeless and really really messed up. I finally started to snap out of it in 1986 and was in charge of distribution for Softwater Laundry, the largest commercial laundry in Pinellas County. I did real good for 2 and a half years. I left them following a corporate by out and started driving a garbage truck. This was by and large the most dangerous I have ever been to my community. I was over worked, constantly dehydrated, Manic, and most mornings I was hungover. I was operating 26 tons of machinery that could squash most vehicles flat in the blink of eye. I even hallucinated while driving. Yeah, I think people with dissabilities should be forced to work like every one else until people start being killed because money is much much more important than someone's life or dignity, even when the money comes from a program that they paid into.......................fuckin deadbeats!!!
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I just came accross this site, I am not familiar
with these folks but there information seems
right on, and concise:
http://www.disabilityadvocates.net/ssi-basics.html (http://www.disabilityadvocates.net/ssi-basics.html)
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Introduction: SSDI vs. SSI
Social Security disability benefits consist of monthly payments and/or medicare benefits which provide compensation to those who are disabled from performing substantial gainful work of any kind. Social Security benefits can be obtained through two programs; (1) Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) or (2) Supplemental Security Income (SSI). Both SSDI and SSI have the same medical requirements, to be discussed below. However, SSDI requires a certain amount of credit earned for prior work, whereas SSI is based solely on financial need, regardless of prior work.
What is Disability?
A claimant will be considered disabled if he is unable to do any kind of work for which he is suited and his disability has lasted or is expected to last for at least one year, or result in death. The disability can be due to a physical or mental condition, or a combination of a number of such conditions. If the claimant is found to be disabled, benefits will continue as long as the claimant remains disabled.
There is no age requirement for the receipt of disability benefits. If the claimant is receiving disability benefits at age 65, the disability benefits are automatically converted to retirement benefits.
Who May Receive Benefits?
Members of the claimant's family may qualify for benefits based on the claimant's earnings record, including children under the age of 18, or 19 if in high school full time, unmarried children 18 or older if disabled prior to age 22, or a spouse, age 62 or older. Disability benefits to children are made under SSI.
SSI pays benefits to disabled needy individuals of any age, including children. Under SSI, children are considered disabled if they have a physical or mental condition which is so severe that it results in marked and severe functional limitation. As with an adult, the child's condition must last or be expected to last at least twelve (12) months, or be expected to result in the child's death. The amount of SSI for which a claimant is entitled depends on what the claimant owns and how much income he or she has. If a claimant is married, the Social Security Administration will also consider the income and property of the claimant's spouse in making a determination of entitlement to SSI.
What Is The Earnings Requirement for SSDI?
To qualify for Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) benefits, the claimant must have received credits for working a specific amount of time and earning a specific dollar amount during the ten year period immediately preceding the onset of disability. The Social Security Administration keeps a record of all amounts reported by employers on each workers' Social Security number or account over the course of each worker's work life. From this record, the Administration calculates whether a claimant has earned sufficient credits to qualify for SSDI. A credit is equivalent to a calendar quarter. In order to earn a credit for having worked a calendar quarter a claimant must have earned a minimum dollar amount (to be discussed below) during that calendar quarter. Even if that minimum dollar amount was earned during a brief, two week period in that calendar quarter, following which the claimant did no work at all during the remaining portion of the calendar quarter, credit for the entire quarter is earned. Generally, in order to be elligible for SSDI, a claimant must have received credits for at least 20 calendar quarters (five years worth of calendar quarters) out of the last 40 calendar quarters (ten years worth of calendar quarters) ending with the year the claimant became disabled. The requirement of having earned credits for 20 out of the last 40 calendar quarters roughly equates to having worked five years worth of quarters out of the last ten years worth of quarters; however, it should be emphasized that the quarters need not have been worked together or in sequence. Thus, if a claimant was out of work every other quarter over a ten year period of time ending with his disability, he would have just barely earned sufficient credits to qualify for SSDI benefits. Since there are only four calendar quarters in a year, a claimant cannot earn more than four credits for a year of work. For example, if a claimant worked in 1997, he received one social security credit for each calendar quarter in which he received at least $670 in earnings. The minimum amount of earnings required during a calendar quarter in order to earn a credit increases each year.
How Much Are The Benefits?
The law provides that the receipt of certain types of other benefits will result in a reduction of Social Security benefits. Taking into account other benefits which a claimant may be receiving, such as workers' compensation or federal, state or local government disability, a claimant's total combined payments cannot exceed 80% of his/her average current earnings.
Levels of Appeal
If the claim is denied, a notice will explain why (in a totally unsatisfactory way) and advise that the claimant may request a reconsideration no later than sixty days from the denial. It is important to file this Request for Reconsideration in a timely fashion. As with the initial application, a Request for Reconsideration may be filed at a local Social Security Office. If the claimant fails to file for reconsideration and later decides to reapply for benefits, he/she may lose some benefits, or may not qualify for any benefits at all. Therefore, it is crucial to file for reconsideration. If the claimant does file for reconsideration, the claim will again be sent to Disability Determination Services for review. It will be reviewed by a physician and disability examiner who will evaluate the evidence previously submitted, as well as any additional medical evidence since the original decision. Again, the claimant will receive written notice of the decision, without the benefit of a hearing. Not surprisingly, few denials are reversed at the Reconsideration stage of Social Security proceedings, so be prepared for another denial and for taking the next step in the appeal process.
If denied on reconsideration, the claimant may then file a Request for Hearing of the decision by the Office of Hearings and Appeals. The applicant must request the hearing in writing within sixty days of the date of the reconsideration denial notice. The form is actually called a Request for Hearing and may be obtained from the local Social Security office. It is important to file the Request for Hearing in a timely fashion, and to save the receipt to prove it was filed on time.
If a hearing is requested, the case will be assigned to an Administrative Law Judge (ALJ), who, while not a "judge" in the technical sense of sitting in a court of law, is the person charged with "judging" your case at the hearing level. By all means, call the ALJ "Your Honor". The hearing proceedings are somewhat informal and give the claimant the opportunity to explain why he/she disagrees with the decision made in the case, to present additional evidence and to have witnesses testify in his/her favor. Administrative Law Judges are usually better versed in the law than the individuals who decided the claim at the lower levels in the application process. They are also independent of the Disability Determination Service, and, when a case is properly presented to them, frequently reverse earlier denials of benefits. At this stage of the case it is highly recommended that the claimant retain an attorney experienced in the handling of Social Security Disability claims. The attorney fee in a Social Security Disability claim is generally structured so that even those with little in the way of resources can afford an experienced attorney. Please feel free to contact us for a consultation at no cost.
How The Determination of Disability is Made
The Social Security Administration regulations require the Administrative Law Judge to follow what is called a sequential evaluation process in order to determine whether a claimant is disabled. The first step is to determine whether the claimant is doing any work at all. If the claimant is working and his/her earnings average more than $700.00 per month, he/she cannot be considered disabled, except in certain circumstances. This amount may change, based on inflation. The second step is to determine if the medical condition of the claimant is severe, or, the impairments interfere with basic work-related activities. Step three decides whether the condition is found in a list contained in the regulations of disabling impairments that are considered so severe they automatically qualify as a disablement. If the condition is not on that list, the judge determines if the condition is of equal severity to an impairment on the list. If the condition is severe, but not at the same or equal severity as an impairment on the list, step four determines if it interferes with the claimant's ability to do the work he/she did in the last fifteen years. If the claimant is found unable to do the work he/she did in the last fifteen years, step five takes into account the claimant's age, education, past work experience and transferable skills to determine if there are jobs he/she can perform in the national economy.
Appealing An Administrative Law Judge's Decision
If the claimant is denied benefits by the Administrative Law Judge, an appeal can be taken to what is called the Appeals Council. No hearing is held at this level, but the decision of the Administrative Law Judge is reviewed for error. The appeal to the Appeals Council must be filed within sixty days of the decision by the Administrative Law Judge. A further appeal can be taken from a denial by the Appeals Council to the United States District Court, which also must be filed within sixty days of the denial by the Appeals Council. No hearing is held at this level either.
Periodic Review of Claims Where Finding of Disability Has Been Made
Once approved for benefits, a claimant's case will be reviewed periodically to make sure the claimant is still disabled. How often a case is reviewed depends upon the severity of the claimant's condition and the likelihood of improvement, which can range anywhere from six months to as long as seven years. In order to terminate a claimant's disability benefits the burden is on the Social Security Administration to produce evidence that the claimant's condition has improved. Even if a claimant's treating physician has indicated nothing further can be done to help the claimant's medical condition, if the condition has not improved it will be helpful to periodically return to see the doctor to document the physical complaints and the lack of improvement.
After a claimant has been receiving disability benefits for two years he/she is automatically enrolled in Medicare.
Additional information can be obtained on-line from the Social Security Handbook or from the Social Security Administration's Office of Disability Homepage .
*IMPORTANT: This document is intended to provide only a very general overview of the law involved in Social Security disability claims, and it is not intended to substitute for experienced legal counsel or to be relied upon in attempting to represent yourself. In addition, the law is substantially more complex than is represented here and for many of the rules and procedures set forth herein there are exceptions and nuances which cannot be communicated in a brief article such as this. It is strongly recommended that anyone not currently represented by counsel who is reading this page in an effort to understand the law involved in this area of litigation immediately seek the advice of experienced legal counsel.
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How did you come about the decision not to be
treated for Bipolar Disorder?
Current treatment protocols result in keeping
all the good traits and getting rid of the
bad one's.
I would still go to the VA and get treated
and inquire about a service connected disability
if the manic phase caused your Section 8.
http://www.vetsinfoservice.com/ (http://www.vetsinfoservice.com/)
The only thing crazy about any mental illness
is not being treated for it.
As I wrote earlier, getting on disability today,
is all about getting back to work as a healthy
person, not out of control as your work history
shows.
Paying the dues, by working and living, out of
control just makes no sense. I am surprised you
are recommending someone follow your footsteps.
How come?
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You dont have to have any record of work to collect SSI.Housewives who have worked in the home all of their lives deserve money even though they have not had a "proper" job.
Nobody is suggesting "FRAUD"!I just detailed the process and how to REPRESENT yourself and avoid lawyers.
$385 per month is better than NOTHING per month.
If you tell me to "suck it up" then I will get a job in a restaurant and ejaculate my mentaly disturbed sperm all over your food.Then I will sprinkle ground up glass in to your child's slice of pizza,just because Im pissed off about something that happened 20 yrs ago.Now YOU suck it up.
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SSI, or Supplemental Security Income is for
those who do not have a work history to draw
down money from the Social Security fund.
SSI is paid out of the general fund.
SSI is managed by Social Security, but not
funded by Social Security, although they
issue the checks.
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On 2005-04-06 21:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You dont have to have any record of work to collect SSI.Housewives who have worked in the home all of their lives deserve money even though they have not had a "proper" job.
Nobody is suggesting "FRAUD"!I just detailed the process and how to REPRESENT yourself and avoid lawyers.
$385 per month is better than NOTHING per month.
If you tell me to "suck it up" then I will get a job in a restaurant and ejaculate my mentaly disturbed sperm all over your food.Then I will sprinkle ground up glass in to your child's slice of pizza,just because Im pissed off about something that happened 20 yrs ago.Now YOU suck it up."
If you have enough energy to jack off you have enough energy to work. Get your lazy ass a job :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [ This Message was edited by: thepatriot on 2005-04-07 06:17 ]
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... um=7#93404 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=9044&forum=7#93404)
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On 2005-04-06 21:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
If you tell me to "suck it up" then I will get a job in a restaurant and ejaculate my mentaly disturbed sperm all over your food.Then I will sprinkle ground up glass in to your child's slice of pizza,just because Im pissed off about something that happened 20 yrs ago.Now YOU suck it up."
I'm pissed too!!!! I just happen to work for a living. :smile: :smile: :smile:
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Most people would not trade their jobs for
disability, if they had a choice.
At $485 per month equals $5,820 per year.
Divided by 2,080 = $2.79 per hour equivalent.
At California's SSI $760 per month (approximately).
$9120 per year $4.38 per hour.
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[ This Message was edited by: ;) on 2005-06-04 07:32 ]
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::boohoo:: :roll:
( :wink: )
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:lol:
i have great intrapersonal skills
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They will come in handy at SIBS.
Love ya! :wave:
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Is it me, or whenever I see dumping
on someone who is seriously ill,
and trying to better themselves,
then I see why the alumni have not
helped in ending the very same schools
they complain about.
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[ This Message was edited by: ;) on 2005-06-04 07:29 ]
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I waited 3 years for my $385 per month check.It has changed my life for the better.I live at home with no rent payments.I can now buy some food and contribute to the household rather than being a total burdon to my mother.
It does not seem like much money,but its enough to hold your head high when you go to WalMart to buy YOUR OWN socks and underwear,groceries,etc.
When you have NOTHING then nobody likes you,but when you can buy some of your own small items,then you feel like socializing with other people again.
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Ive been hitchiking around Japan spending my SSI money.Its cheap and real peacful.There is weed growing wild and I can pitch my small tent anywhere to sleep.I eat in grocery stores and I can get by on less than $10 per day if I dont buy sodas.You can stay 90 days in Japan with no visa and every day I meet very kind people and make new friends.
You are not supposed to leave the USA for more than 30 days,but SS has no way of knowing.In the summer it is best to hang around North Japan Hokkido Island and the North East coast of Honshu Island.You can ride a bike but I find hitchiking easier.
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interesting! do you speak Japanese, and is it necessary to speak Japanese in order to get by there?
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You dont have to speak Japanese to get by.If you plan to work in Japan it helps if you can speak Japanese.
I suggest you buy the book THE HITCHHIKERS GUIDE TO JAPAN.Its an old book,but you can buy it online very cheap.Some people choose to bike around Jaqpan,but I find hitchhiking is better.Hokkido and the NE coast of Honshu are the best places to hang about.Men should hitchhike alone,but Male/Female couples also enjoy easy hitchhiking in Japan.
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did your Hitchhiker's Guide come with a babel fish?
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It did, but they used it to make sushi three days into the trip
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If you knew sushi like I knew sushi...