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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Amish Mom on March 27, 2005, 07:44:00 PM
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I am looking for a reputable Amish Boarding School for both of my children. My son shaves daily.We Amish expect males to grow beards.He also insists on having only one wife when we insist on him having seven. My daughter is starting to wear alot of DKNY clothing instead of traditional Amish wear. One thing that I was wrong about is this internet thing. I can not believe I can type a message on a keyboard and I can read their responses.I am certainly gonna spread the word about this phenomenon to the Amish culture. The other things are non- negotiable so they need to go to an Amish Boarding School.
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This cyberspace stuff is so awesome![ This Message was edited by: Amish Mom on 2005-03-27 16:45 ][ This Message was edited by: Amish Mom on 2005-03-27 17:24 ][ This Message was edited by: Amish Mom on 2005-03-27 17:26 ][ This Message was edited by: Amish Mom on 2005-03-27 17:28 ]
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your funny this one takes the cake. Little hint the amish dont belive in computers. Funny post though..
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It Is true that I did not believe in computers for a very long time. But I have recently changed my mind. And we can stream live video of our ceremonies in cyberspace!
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The Amish don't have trolls. They have gnomes.
http://www.amish.net/ (http://www.amish.net/)There's no biochemical test to distinguish the so-called manic-depressive person from the elated or despondent football fan. Nor is there any resan to assume the manic-depressive's inner experience is driven by twisted molecules while the football fan's is driven, at worst, by twisted values
Dr. Peter Breggin, Toxic Psychiatry
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On 2005-03-27 18:06:00, Antigen wrote:
"The Amish don't have trolls. They have gnomes.
http://www.amish.net/ (http://www.amish.net/)There's no biochemical test to distinguish the so-called manic-depressive person from the elated or despondent football fan. Nor is there any resan to assume the manic-depressive's inner experience is driven by twisted molecules while the football fan's is driven, at worst, by twisted values
Dr. Peter Breggin, Toxic Psychiatry
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If they don't believe in computers why do they have a website?
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Good question.
For the most part we inherit our opinions. We are the heirs of habits and mental customs. Our beliefs, like the fashion of our garments, depend on where we were born. We are molded and fashioned by our surroundings.
--Environment is a sculptor -- a painter.
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Aren't the Amish already a closed "society" cult-like existence that do whatever they want with thier kids?? where the women are totally controlled, and no outside authorities have any say-so about what goes on? And these people do not obey any laws of the land? Sounds like they already have a "good program and treatment deal going on." Why does she need to send the kiddos anywhere?
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What I understand from reading the website, is that the website is not owned by the Amish. It is a seller of Amish made goods. The owner of the site also educates about The Amish and gets answers about the Amish from the Amish. A while ago, there was a story on like Primetime or something and said that the police are also Amish and they are influenced by wealthy Amish businessmen, who have multiple kids from multiple wives.
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Do Amish cops get an Amish uniform? And how do they do their jobs with the whole non-violence thing?
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The Amish Police I Saw on Primetime or a similiar program, looked just like your typical police, police car like your typical police car. As far as the non -violence thing, I do not have a clue.[ This Message was edited by: mikey on 2005-03-28 15:04 ]
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I was mistaken. I searched and found that Amish people do not believe in using force against anyone, so they do not become soldiers or police officers. That means that the TV Program must have said that people in whatever Amish community that was, said that the local police, who are not Amish, are influenced by wealty Amish business men, so they do not act against crimes against women.
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You could sent your kid to Provo Canyon School in Utah. The recreational therapist used to brag that his grandfather was a polygamist.
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Oh, too funny.
First of all, an Amish *adult* wouldn't use a computer.
Secondly, Amish *youths* are customarily allowed and expected to go out into the world and use technology and live like anyone else for awhile so that when they come home it's not the forbidden fruit and holds no mysteries for them.
Which means this troll is just a bit prejudiced in his views of the Amish. He's made some inaccurate prejudgements about their ways and got it exactly backwards.
It's not that the Amish think technology is evil. Usually an Amish community will have one telephone for the whole community so that if they really need it they can choose to use it.
They just believe in choosing and controlling what technology they use so that they control it rather than the other way around.
Given how many times I'm working away, or teaching, and the phone rings and interrupts me so that I lose my train of thought or my daughter loses track of what I was in the middle of explaining, they have a point. :smile: :smile: :smile: They're right that there is a danger of technology being a burden sometimes instead of a blessing.
I guess anybody with a long commute stuck in traffic would probably agree on that, too. :smile:
Too funny.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Julie
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Yeah, the Amish are pretty cool. For one thing, each little community does things their own way. So if one has a real problem w/ incest or some other horrible bane of human social interaction, most often that sect will break up into two or more groups if they can't resolve the issue to everyone's satisfaction.
Generally, they don't take part in outsider politics. They won't vote, they arrange their property and finances so as to be as close to tax free as possible. They'll even go so far as to flagrantly violate a law that they don't believe should apply to them (such as the requirement for reflective signs on the backs of their horse drawn buggies) But everything is negotiable, according to the situation at hand.
My dad told me a great story. The only time he ever remembered seeng the Amish turn out for a federal election was when Kennedy ran for president. Having come from Europe as religious refugees from the Catholic governments there, they turned out in DROVES to vote against the Catholic. I don't know that they did the same this last time around, but it wouldn't surprise me too much.
All contemporary religions and churches, all and every kind of religious organization, Marxism has always viewed as organs of bourgeois reaction, serving as a defense of exploitation and the doping of the working-classes.
--Nikolai Lenin, Russian revolutionary
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You know, I rarely can say I am offended by something, I frankly don't give a damn about what most people say or do. Yes, the trolls here can be funny/annoying, but I can honestly say that's offensive. My children's grandfather is Amish. I have lived as a part of their family for over 20 yrs. Old Order Amish do not use technology. Phones are outdoors housed in sheds, barns, shops, etc. for business purposes only. Anyone who has a business may have a phone. Most Amish teenagers work in regular jobs at the grocery store,etc. Teenagers have a time called Rumspringa when they experience the "real" world before commiting themselves to the church. Amish people do not send their kids to boarding schools. Feel free to write back when you have your facts straight.
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Here's a fact: Even though Amish children get an "opportunity" to go into the real world and see if they want to stay there, it's not a viable option for them. This is because Amish parents are the only group in the country who are not obligated to send their children to school past the eighth grade. The US Supreme Court agreed that a high school education was not important for Amish children, since they will be trained in the ways of Amish culture instead. Of course they work in grocery stores! Their parents are not obligated to provide them with an education that can get them anything better in the real world.
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Actually, there are quite a few Amish folk working and/or going to school around the Pittsburgh area. It's not necessarily easy to break away. But I think that has more to do w/ losing close contact w/ family and just general culture shock. Whatever they may lack in formal education starting out, they seem to have no trouble making up for w/ work ethic if they're determined to leave.
Anyway, I do doubt there are many Amish kids in boarding schools of any kind. It's just not a good fit.
Homeschool is self regulating. The school board is not going to have illiterate useless people living in their homes forever if they don't have a working education policy.
--Sisterbluerose
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On 2005-03-31 23:36:00, Antigen wrote:
"Anyway, I do doubt there are many Amish kids in boarding schools of any kind. It's just not a good fit."
Well here's one:
http://media.orkut.com/articles/r0151.html (http://media.orkut.com/articles/r0151.html)
'She described how the program had helped another girl she knew: a modern girl, with old-fashioned parents, who was fighting with her family because she "didn't want to be Amish." '
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boy, that blog post really made me want to send my kid to a wwasps cult. NOT
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On 2005-03-31 03:25:00, chi3 wrote:
"You know, I rarely can say I am offended by something, I frankly don't give a damn about what most people say or do. Yes, the trolls here can be funny/annoying, but I can honestly say that's offensive. My children's grandfather is Amish. I have lived as a part of their family for over 20 yrs. Old Order Amish do not use technology. Phones are outdoors housed in sheds, barns, shops, etc. for business purposes only. Anyone who has a business may have a phone. Most Amish teenagers work in regular jobs at the grocery store,etc. Teenagers have a time called Rumspringa when they experience the "real" world before commiting themselves to the church. Amish people do not send their kids to boarding schools. Feel free to write back when you have your facts straight."
Rumspringa. That was the word I was looking for. Thanks, CHI3.
TimocleaOur friends and allies in the Middle East and Europe will soon be subject to forms of intimidation by an Iraqi government bent on dominating the Middle East and its oil reserves,
Project for the New American Century (were they talking about themselves?)
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On 2005-03-31 17:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Here's a fact: Even though Amish children get an "opportunity" to go into the real world and see if they want to stay there, it's not a viable option for them. This is because Amish parents are the only group in the country who are not obligated to send their children to school past the eighth grade. The US Supreme Court agreed that a high school education was not important for Amish children, since they will be trained in the ways of Amish culture instead. Of course they work in grocery stores! Their parents are not obligated to provide them with an education that can get them anything better in the real world."
I wouldn't agree with your pessimism about their prospects.
For the boys, have you any idea of the demand out there in agriculture for competent farmhands? It's huge.
Plus, any Amish boy out there would do very well in construction because he probably knows more about carpentry than 99% of high school graduates. Construction easily pays well enough to cover the costs of continuing education. High school really goes at a very slow pace. A motivated college-age young adult can typically get through the equivalent amount of material in a year. I went to a university that was still on the quarter system. We routinely covered as much material in a quarter in college as we covered in a year in high school. Maturity helps. A lot.
Any Amish girl out there can immediately go in and get a job doing clothing alterations or as a cook in a semi-decent restaurant. She may not know how to make their recipes, but she more than has the basic skills from which all good food is made, and she *certainly* has enough education to read and follow the recipes with no trouble. Food service doesn't pay a lot, but skilled cooks certainly get enough to live on and finance continuing education.
There isn't a lot that they teach in the academic courses in high school that you can't learn yourself from a good book on the subject.
The basics of learning how to learn I already more than had by the end of 8th grade. So did almost all my classmates, even the ones on the slow side of average, whether they recognized it or not.
The reason Amish are not compelled to send their children to school past the 8th grade was that in the court cases that decided that they demonstrated to the full satisfaction of the courts that they provided continuing education in their own communities that was different from but equivalent to high school--at least the next two years of it, which is as high as compulsory schooling laws usually go, anyway.
Amish kids get through their 18th year with a solid vocational education that is better than many other children graduate with or drop out with.
Any one of them, male or female, could probably get a job in a stable as a groom. For more than minimum wage because they know what they're doing.
Don't judge their skills worthless in the marketplace just because of our national bias towards college degrees. There's a whole lot of people out there making good livings in the trades without them.
Just as there are a whole lot of kids who attend high school without actually getting educated there---being far more interested in the social and recreational opportunities than the academic ones. :smile: :smile: :smile:
I would suspect having solid skills, many of which are in regular use outside the Amish community, that *don't* exactly match the skills of the rafts of *other* kids coming out of high school every year is more of an advantage to an enterprising Amish lad or lass than a drawback. Supply and demand.
TimocleaOne of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation.
--Thomas Brackett Reed