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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 23, 2005, 10:47:00 AM
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ISAC'S donors have a right to see where their $$$ have gone?
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And who says they MAY have to do this?????
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Wow, this thing is really getting out of hand!
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Gotta deflect the questions, heat offa you know who. NOT just who do you think put this topic up? Probably some "nice" person.
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This is stupid. ISAC, like any other entity that survives on web donations, gets very, very little money.
Anyone who knows anything about shareware and the web and collecting donations for *any* cause with a similar publicity level, no matter how worthy, could predict---no doubt correctly----that they barely get enough in donations to defray the costs of keeping their site on the web.
Anybody who's ever run a small business and had experience with other small business owners and with volunteers on the boards of various cooperative organizations or the collections and budgetting of a small church has some idea of what kind of publicity and pitch draw in what level of donations, and what it costs to provide different goods and services.
ISAC is, apparently, small enough that the lion's share of the work is done by a couple of survivors who spend quite a lot of time and quite a lot of out of pocket money from their own earnings doing the work of their cause.
The people running ISAC are almost certainly pouring significant amounts of their own money into it, on an ongoing basis, not drawing money out of it.
The money poured into it is probably in the form of paying their own travel and research expenses on trips when they absolutely have to go check something out in person---and can afford to---and on phone bills. If they're very lucky, some small part of the ISAC-related long distance phone calls is covered, along with their internet and web costs.
My experience, with running a small computer consulting corporation, briefly--with me as the only employee, but all of the corporate paperwork and red tape to do, with running a small business--which is essentially what being an author comes down to, with having in-laws that have run small businesses, with having a friend who owned and ran a small photography studio, with having been active in a church to the point of actually looking at the expenses and donations in the financial records, with doing volunteer work moderating a publisher's web board, with encountering the members of con committees that organize and run science fiction conventions, with working with the family that purchased and is running our local dojo, with learning the breakdown of the costs of books in publishing---
My experience with all that is that 99% of people looking at a small business, a cooperative organization, or a charity, vastly overestimate the income of that organization and vastly underestimate the expenses.
Most people just don't have even half a clue to know when what they're paying is being sold to them at or below cost, or when they're getting skinned alive.
Anyone who thinks ISAC is swimming in cash or has anywhere near enough cash income to match it's cash outflow, let alone the outflow of the value of volunteer labor provided by the few people right in the heart of it, is either: A) so hopelessly clueless as to be a complete babe in the woods or B) is flat out delusional or C) is trying to make nasty allegations to stir up trouble against people he/she doesn't like.
My best guess would be that the idiot who started this thread is some combination of A and C.
Anybody who can't just *look* at ISAC and make pretty good guesses about their probable cashflow without *needing* their books opened up is a complete and total fool who probably couldn't understand the books even with a very patient, plain-spoken accountant spending a whole damned day explaining them.
For the record, I have absolutely *no* connection to ISAC, financial or otherwise.
I'm just not one to tolerate fools gladly.
Timoclea
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Timoclea, the answer is most probably "C"
And everyone can "C" through who it probably IS and can "C" why this person is doing this.
No one who knows Shelby would be worrried about her having to prove anything to anybody about ISAC.
This person who seems to be so determined to see ISAC sued might be surprised to "C" the donations start to pour into ISAC now to help with with this lawsuit. My money's on ISAC!!!!
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I still don't understand, is the original poster saying that ISAC took donations and put them in their own pocket, or that this Shelly person is a crook?
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Whoever posted that can insinuate anything they wish. Maybe she wants her money back (if she ever donated any). Most probably she just wants to try and just make people think ISAC has done something wrong. It's called deflection...sort of like: someone is saying bad stuff about me, so I will say nastier stuff about someone else, so then I will look better. See, that's how that is suppose to work. Sort of silly, and sort of
suggests she might think everyone is STUPID ENOUGH TO GO FOR IT. Whoever SHE might be.
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I just wish someone would have the nerve to come right out and say Shelby is a crook. NO ONE would dare have the nerve to say THAT, because they know they would be lying. What a whiny, two-faced, back-stabbing way to even try and say that.
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On 2005-03-23 08:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I just wish someone would have the nerve to come right out and say Shelby is a crook. NO ONE would dare have the nerve to say THAT, because they know they would be lying. What a whiny, two-faced, back-stabbing way to even try and say that."
Shelby is a crook!
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On 2005-03-23 08:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Whoever posted that can insinuate anything they wish. Maybe she wants her money back (if she ever donated any). Most probably she just wants to try and just make people think ISAC has done something wrong. It's called deflection...sort of like: someone is saying bad stuff about me, so I will say nastier stuff about someone else, so then I will look better. See, that's how that is suppose to work. Sort of silly, and sort of
suggests she might think everyone is STUPID ENOUGH TO GO FOR IT. Whoever SHE might be. "
:nworthy: :nworthy:
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And who might YOU be so say "Shelby is a crook?"
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On 2005-03-23 09:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
Shelby is a crook!"
Ok, now back it up. What has she done that could remotely be considered criminal? Please be specific. We've seen the extortion definition cut and pasted, that's explains exactly NOTHING. What, specifically[/b], has she done?
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On 2005-03-23 09:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
Ok, now back it up. What has she done that could remotely be considered criminal? Please be specific. We've seen the extortion definition cut and pasted, that's explains exactly NOTHING. What, specifically[/b], has she done?"
Oops. :tup: The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles.
--John Adams, U.S. President
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Cayo Hosebeast?
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Wow. I'm so hurt. :roll:
How 'bout answering the question now?If it is believed that... elementary schools will be better managed by the governor and council, the commissioners of the literary fund or any other general authority of the government than by the parents within each ward, it is a belief against all experience.
Thomas Jefferson
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Its amusing as can be, that some dam fool thinks this would upset anyone at ISAC; or cause anyone to doubt the integrity of ISAC.
I rather expect ISAC will only be To pleased to explain who paid for what.
I think some dam fool has shit and fell back in it.
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I agree, Buzzkill. ISAC's integrity can stand up to all this.
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Well put Buzz! And isn't it comical how they run over here, post a bunch of what they hope will be inflammatory crap and then when people actually CALL them on what they're saying suddenly they clam up or resort to childish name calling. What the hell is wrong with you people? Damn! Grow up or grow a conscience or grow some fucking BALLS!
Farking moranic asshats!!! (intentional mis-spelling of moron for all you non-farkers out there :wave: )...the people have a right to keep and bear arms.
-- Patrick Henry and George Mason Debates
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Yea, like she can't spell "Shelby" for Christ's sake after all these years? (Shelly...give me a break).
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Oh, the name-calling. Get your strength up Shelby, next thing you know, your "friend" might be saying things things like what's been said about me, "that you're ugly to boot." Now, isn't that JR. High, stuff? But I haven't been call a "crook"---well, not YET anyway. Have been called a "child abuser.... and evil, and a liar and crazy"---So suppose a CROOK isn't ALL THAT BAD. But we know you aren't. How juvenile!
And anyone can post anonymously can call anyone anything, I suppose.
It's those emails that people write slandering other people that come back to haunt them.
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On 2005-03-23 09:55:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"Its amusing as can be, that some dam fool thinks this would upset anyone at ISAC; or cause anyone to doubt the integrity of ISAC.
I rather expect ISAC will only be To pleased to explain who paid for what.
I think some dam fool has shit and fell back in it.
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BuzzKill
Joined: 2004-08-28
Posts: 224
you misunderstand
Posted: 2005-03-22 08:39:00
Ya'll missed the point of the message, but its not your fault, as it was a continuation of a phone conversation the other night tween myself and one who wishes to remain anonymous.
I find people use my faith against me in two ways. As this person has, to try and make me meek and mild and passive in the face of attack; Or, to poke fun at the poor fool for Christ.
But to be fair, the 'be silent' thing is not what ya'll took it to be. Probably more of a warning than a threat (It can be hard to tell the difference)and as I said, it came from a conversation I had had with the poster. It was like this; I had tried to explain the emotional turmoil I have been in; specifically with regard to a recent attack on me on this forum. I was puzzled and hurt by it. I had been (IMO) very patient in the face of some very confusing stubbornness. I had posted thoughts and opinions that were in opposition to the opinions and desires of my new found adversary (and one time friend) but it was no secrete to her what I thought and felt about it. I wasn't being sneaky, harassing her, or anyone. So, when she hit the board posing as some ignorant new comer, and trying to provoke me, I was hurt and angry.
I was telling this other party (who wishes to remain anonymous)of this, and about my trying to decide what, if anything, to do. I explained how while in a state of confusion, I had flipped open my Bible and my eyes fell on the words, "And Jesus was Silent."
And so, I took that as a sign to be silent - at least for a while.
What I hadn't explained, as I didn't get a chance, was that I also had another problem I was in search of guidance on. A personal and heartbreaking problem unassociated with all this crap. I was getting a lot of advice to Do something - make phone calls - report things. I was deeply troubled by all this. This was actually my most pressing dilemma. I took those words, "and Jesus was silent" as the answer to that problem as well. As things have progressed, I now feel it was very good advice and I am most grateful to my Lord for His counsel.
As for remaining silent on Fornits - After a couple of days, a reply came to me that seemed good and fitting and so I spoke up.
So far, I still feel lead to speak up.
Last night, while in a state of hurt confusion, I once again opened my Bible and my eyes fell on these words:
And He hath raised up an horn of salvation for us out of the house of David:
As He spoke by the mouth of His Holy Prophets, which have been since the world began:
That we should be saved from our enemies and from the hand of all that hate us.
To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember His Holy covenant, the oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
That He would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies, might serve Him with out fear.
From The proclamation of Zacharais, at John the Baptist's birth.
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Buzzkill I think it may be time for you to consult your Bible again! :lol:
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Buzzkill, I think you hit a nerve.
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Buzzkill, I don't think your friends really like you anymore, and you are just wasting your time.
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On 2005-03-23 10:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
Buzzkill I think it may be time for you to consult your Bible again! :roll: How 'bout answering the questions now[/b]? Hey, just give me an idea[/b] of when you might have the guts to back up what you say. Ballpark, how long will it take for you to grow a set, huh? Just so we'll have some kind of an idea of when we might be able to expect some sort of intelligent response.It's our goddamn duty to get these people back on drugs so they can think for themselves again!!!
RTP2003
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On 2005-03-23 10:30:00, Joyce Harris wrote:
"Buzzkill, I don't think your friends really like you anymore, and you are just wasting your time."
At least she had friends, unlike you Joyce. The only friend you seem to have is the bottle you must keep drinking from. Have you given any thought to being a decent parent instead of hanging out on chat boards :???:
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Oh, a new accusation, huh?
Now I am a closet drinker. How charming?
Sure glad I never considered YOU a friend my dear.
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On 2005-03-23 10:35:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
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On 2005-03-23 10:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
Buzzkill I think it may be time for you to consult your Bible again! :roll: How 'bout answering the questions now[/b]? Hey, just give me an idea[/b] of when you might have the guts to back up what you say. Ballpark, how long will it take for you to grow a set, huh? Just so we'll have some kind of an idea of when we might be able to expect some sort of intelligent response.It's our goddamn duty to get these people back on drugs so they can think for themselves again!!!
RTP2003
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Cayo Hosebeast, you keep talking about everyone's "balls". What's up with that? :eek:
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On 2005-03-23 10:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-03-23 10:30:00, Joyce Harris wrote:
"Buzzkill, I don't think your friends really like you anymore, and you are just wasting your time."
At least she had friends, unlike you Joyce. The only friend you seem to have is the bottle you must keep drinking from. Have you given any thought to being a decent parent instead of hanging out on chat boards :???: "
Have you given any thought to actually answering any questions yet? Or are you going to remain the ball-less wonder?God is the...refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the miserable. They find no sanctuary in His arms, but...a kind of superiority, soothing to their...egos: He will set them above their betters.
--H. L. Mencken, American publisher
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On 2005-03-23 10:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
Cayo Hosebeast, you keep talking about everyone's "balls". What's up with that? :eek: "
Deflection. Answer the questions. Back your shit up."The Program" and two years will get you a vastly improved kid in *EXACTLY* the same way that "The Program" and four bucks will get you a cup of espresso at Starbucks.
Timoclea
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And I do have a college degree, and I don't have to LIE about that. I'm working on my Graduate Degree now, so I always have my laptop nearby. How does one LIE, and say they had a degree when they don't? Doesn't one feel very foolish and dumb to have to admit one lied about THAT? It would make me wonder what else I had been lied to about? But, that's just me wondering, I suppose. I just don't like LIARS a whole lot. I like saving emails and collecting emails from other people. That's my new hobby.
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On 2005-03-23 10:25:00, Joyce Harris wrote:
How juvenile!
That's because you're dealing either with actual juveniles or an adult with the apparent mentality of one, or both. Don't expect to much out of these people, what you've seen thus far is about par for the course.Come the millennium,
month 12,
in the home of greatest power,
the village idiot will come forth to
be acclaimed the leader.
--Nostradamus
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On 2005-03-23 10:49:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
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On 2005-03-23 10:25:00, Joyce Harris wrote:
How juvenile!
That's because you're dealing either with actual juveniles or an adult with the apparent mentality of one, or both. Don't expect to much out of these people, what you've seen thus far is about par for the course.Come the millennium,
month 12,
in the home of greatest power,
the village idiot will come forth to
be acclaimed the leader.
--Nostradamus
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Cayo, why don't you and nutty joyce form a Chapter of the Mutual Admiration Society, or just go get a room together :idea:
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Deflection. Answer the questions.
Every man thinks God is on his side. The rich and powerful know he is.
--Jean Anouilh, French dramatist and playwright
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On 2005-03-23 10:53:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
"Deflection. Answer the questions.Every man thinks God is on his side. The rich and powerful know he is.
--Jean Anouilh, French dramatist and playwright
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You questions are stupid.
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On 2005-03-23 11:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-03-23 10:53:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
"Deflection. Answer the questions.Every man thinks God is on his side. The rich and powerful know he is.
--Jean Anouilh, French dramatist and playwright
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You questions are stupid."
Hey, anyone who knows this guy....is he really as much of an idiot as he comes across as on here? I'm having a hard time believing he could actually be this obtuse, but then again, look at the caliber of people we're dealing with here. :roll:
Look genius, you came on here posting veiled accusations and questions. I'm simply asking you to get specific with them. Apparently you lack the intellect to fathom what's being asked of you.He that lives upon hope will die fasting
--Benjamin Franklin 1758
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The questions are not stupid. They are the same questions a court of law would have.
What is the nature of the crime?
What injury has been done to the aggrieved party?
It is easy (but shortsighted) to make an accusation just for the sake of flinging dung.
So are you shortsighted, or just easy?A Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother.
--Anonymous
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Spelling and Deflection. Cayo should put this to a tune or something :lol:
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On 2005-03-23 11:14:00, Erinys wrote:
It is easy (but shortsighted) to make an accusation just for the sake of flinging dung.
So are you shortsighted, or just easy?
My guess? Both.Religion is all bunk.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor
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Cayo said: but then again, look at the caliber of people we're dealing with here.
So, what are you saying Cayo, you are superior to those at Fornits? What a crock. I think the heat in Florida must be getting to you.
::puke::
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On 2005-03-23 11:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Spelling and Deflection. Cayo should put this to a tune or something :???: for nothing can keep it right but their own vigilant and distrustful superintendence.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Honestly Cayo, nobody was talking to you (duh) :smokin:
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On 2005-03-23 11:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Cayo said: but then again, look at the caliber of people we're dealing with here.
So, what are you saying Cayo, you are superior to those at Fornits? What a crock. I think the heat in Florida must be getting to you.
::puke:: "
Never mind my previous inquiries into this guy's intelligence, or lack thereof. Got my answer. :roll: :roll: First management had plans and then strategic plans. Now we have vision, and we're only one small step from hallucination.
-- Ansley Throckmorton upon assuming the presidency of Bangor Theological Seminary in Bangor, Main per Information World 8-4-`97
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On 2005-03-23 11:22:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-03-23 11:14:00, Erinys wrote:
It is easy (but shortsighted) to make an accusation just for the sake of flinging dung.
So are you shortsighted, or just easy?
My guess? Both.Religion is all bunk.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor
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From the All Knowing Fountain of Information herself. Thank you Ginger!
:nworthy:
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Oh my :rofl:
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:lol: ,
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Anon giving me parenting advice,
The last parenting advice I took was from Sue Scheff, and I ended up enrolling my daughter at the abusive Whitmore Academy. So, thanks, anyway.
Where are your children while you are on this chat board? Are do you have children, not that it's any of my business--sort of like, what I do isn't really any of yours!
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Joyce, I'm trying to help you. You're coming across as a complete lunatic. Who in the world places their daughter at a Boarding School on a whim, then advertises all over the internet these unspeakable things that you say happened to her, and then after that hangs-out in a chat room for over a month fighting with everyone she comes into contact with. You have libeled everyone who has had an opposing point of view, and you have made a spectacle of your entire family. Fornits is an addiction. You have to stop it and get back to non-virtual reality.
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And who are you? Read our statement. No parents send their daughter to school on a "whim"
Go bait someone who cares, OK?
Send Sue an email, she may be lonely.
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Hi Sue
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Isac doesnt have to prove anything. If a donation is given its given as a gift.
Someone is reaching really low. How low will you go?
The integrity of Isac is intact.That is more than I can say about the folks creating all of this sorrow for their old "friends"
My experience of this individual is she's not happy unless she is creating havoc. So sad.
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I agree. Who gives a gift and then demands to know how it was spent? A control freak, maybe. Or maybe someone who has to buy friends or loyalty, and then has to keep up with how well their money was spent....Poor Soul. I'd sure trust my money with ISAC.
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Well...if there were a fraud issue or a tax issue, ISAC would have to do an accounting. I just think this is complete bullshit. It's not like the WWASPS v. PURE case because ISAC isn't a competitor. They don't refer anyone to any program. They are an educational and informational sight. There couldn't possibly be a fraud issue. So this whole thing about their books and accounting is a waste of time to talk about.
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I made an unsolicited donation to ISAC because I wanted to and I don't give a damn how Shelby spent the money. I hope she used a bit of it and bought a decent bottle of wine to celebrate saving another child or uncovering another deceit.
Shelby sent me a wonderful thank you note which was not necessary, but appreciated. I plan on sending ISAC more money and still don't care how or where they spend it.
If ISAC made 1/100 of what one WWASP facility made a week she could retire to the Caribbean!
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That's good that Shelby has learned to write thank you notes, or has someone who can do it for her. Shelby is probably not a crook. She's just not very nice.