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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: ` on March 22, 2005, 09:08:00 AM
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thestraights.com/people/medical-doctors/medical-research.htm
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=7&10 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8696&forum=7&10)
Does anyone remember any research projects firsthand?
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A simple questionnaire hardly insitutes "Medical research"
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yeah it does. see these links.
On 2005-03-16 10:18:00, formerly known as wrote:
"Human Subjects Research
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/policy/hs/index.htm (http://grants.nih.gov/grants/policy/hs/index.htm)
http://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/ (http://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/)[ This Message was edited by: formerly known as on 2005-03-16 10:19 ]"
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you know, i'm not any kind of an expert, but there are regulations regarding human subjects research. it steams me that Schwartz and the other Nazi-Straight doctors used us for their research. i don't see how any child prisoner of Straight could give free assent to participating. it is possible there are loopholes that made the research "legal" or whatever, but i think it is valuable to consider this subject.
f Federal Regulations]
[Title 45, Volume 1, Parts 1 to 199]
[Revised as of October 1, 1999]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 45CFR46.409]
[Page 125]
TITLE 45--PUBLIC WELFARE
AND HUMAN SERVICES
PART 46--PROTECTION OF HUMAN SUBJECTS--Table of Contents
Subpart D--Additional Protections for Children Involved as Subjects in
Research
Sec. 46.409 Wards.
(a) Children who are wards of the state or any other agency,
institution, or entity can be included in research approved under
Sec. 46.406 or Sec. 46.407 only if such research is:
(1) Related to their status as wards; or
(2) Conducted in schools, camps, hospitals, institutions, or similar
settings in which the majority of children involved as subjects are not
wards.
(b) If the research is approved under paragraph (a) of this section,
the IRB shall require appointment of an advocate for each child who is a
ward, in addition to any other individual acting on behalf of the child
as guardian or in loco parentis. One individual may serve as advocate
for more than one child. The advocate shall be an individual who has the
background and experience to act in, and agrees to act in, the best
interests of the child for the duration of the child's participation in
the research and who is not associated in any way (except in the role as
advocate or member of the IRB) with the research, the investigator(s),
or the guardian organization.
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Yes, it was all a conspiracy. And YOU uncovered it!! Kudos to you, you dope-curious Beck junky!! Kiss the jackass for me.
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Oh, I'm sure we were experiments. Experiments in making lots of money with minimal cash flow in. There's documentation somewhere on Wes's site showing how the buildings (warehouses) were frequently late with rent or delinquent! While our parents shelled out thousands, and collected millions in donations for Straight, they weren't even technically keeping a roof over our heads! :flame:
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We tried, lord knows we tried to get you druggies straight. It wasn't always easy..we had to cut corners sometimes. Sure, your parents shelled out a lot, but we needed that money to spread Straight's love nationwide and to finance our lawyers when the going got rough. Damn investigators always nosing around made it difficult to run a business..er..I mean a drug rehab. Whatever. Straight saved lives and helped families reunite.
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huh. i don't think i have uncovered a conspiracy, just some archived information that is not that hard to find using the internet and some search programs. also like i said i am not an expert on the human subjects research thing but i have heard it is strict and it applies to anything other than observing people in a public place. if you want to check this out and get back to this thread, that would be great.
if he used Straight clients whatever information he got is quite likely bogus, it makes him look like a particularly shitty researcher to use the statements of children in a coerced situation like Straight, because, as we all know, we lied in there about our drug use, etc. i like the idea of discrediting him to his professional peers, although i don't really know how to do that yet.
[ This Message was edited by: fka on 2005-06-02 05:44 ]
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if he used Straight clients whatever information he got is quite likely bogus, it makes him look like a particularly shitty researcher to use the statements of children in a coerced situation like Straight, because, as we all know, we lied in there about our drug use, etc. i like the idea of discrediting him to his professional peers, although i don't really know how to do that yet.
Schwartz was a good Doctor, one of the best! So you damned druggies chose to lie to him...that's supposed to be his fault? Come on! He was just trying to do his job! You don't know how to discredit him because you have nothing on him! He HAD to search the kids' rectal cavities for DRUGS. Drugs that could have put the whole group at RISK had they been able to get into the building.
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On 2005-03-23 06:49:00, formerly known as wrote:
"btw, i am jes itchin fer a fist fight with you, you stinky troll. meet me out front, or else everyone will know what a chicken you are. :lol: just kidding. sort of. i'd win, and you know it. that's why you never show your face. grrrr. come on, i bet you're cute! okay, we'll make it a wrestling match so i don't mess up your pretty face."
I'm down for wrestling with the Piet-ster!! Who you calling "stinky", I smell well!! Also, I don't mean to knock your findings, but this wasn't NIMH sort of research. I think we were stuck helplessly in rehab and someone used the opportunity to advance their own academic agenda. Was it wrong? Yes. Were we "research subjects", nah. I don't buy the lab rat conspiracy.
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On 2005-03-23 07:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't buy the lab rat conspiracy."
a sensitive subject for you, i know.
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So Straight Inc was the equivalent of MK-Ultra but without the LSD...?
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http://peyote.com/jonstef/mkultra.htm (http://peyote.com/jonstef/mkultra.htm)
http://www.mindspring.com/~txporter/sec3.htm (http://www.mindspring.com/~txporter/sec3.htm)
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On 2005-03-23 08:02:00, formerly known as wrote:
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On 2005-03-23 07:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't buy the lab rat conspiracy."
a sensitive subject for you, i know."
Piet, If you are referring to http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... um=7#81654 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8233&forum=7#81654)
then you are a much smarter cookie than I ever gave you credit for!!
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EEEEEeeek, a mouse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[ This Message was edited by: fka on 2005-06-02 05:45 ]
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As evidenced by every post made throughout your tenure here on this board, you lack the intellect to even bitch slap the jackass you live next door to, Shrek.
My bad, I should have phrased my post as question soliciting a direct answer, then maybe you would have responded with an answer rather than a threat...let me try again.
"Were you referring to http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... um=7#81654 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8233&forum=7#81654) if so, then you are a much smarter cookie than I ever gave you credit for!!"
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[ This Message was edited by: fka on 2005-06-02 05:45 ]
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On 2005-03-23 11:20:00, formerly known as wrote:
"a girl offers to wrestle you and then bitch-slap you and you read it as a threat? who's the jackass? :wink: "
Maybe not if I was a masochistic male, are you assuming I am NOT a female troll?
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On 2005-03-23 10:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"you lack the intellect to even bitch slap the jackass you live next door to, Shrek."
Hilarious!!
:lol:
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Who is Shreck?
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On 2005-03-23 17:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Who is Shreck?"
Shrecks a troll[/]! An ogre, actually (for you D&D purist geeks) who starred in the animated flick of the same name. Mike Myers did the voice, I think. Eddie Murphy was the voice of his donkey pal. I forget that character's name. Now, back to our regularly scheduled troll sesh:
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[ This Message was edited by: fka on 2005-06-02 05:46 ]
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My apologies, I am done and was done responding to you and your posts. I just didn't buy into the labrat theory, made a comment, later read an "I'm itchin fer a fight with you" and an "I'll bitch slap you intellectually" post that you made...it kind of got me kickstarted all over again. Again, my apoplogies for surrendering to temptation and posting what I think at the expense of another real living person perhaps experiencing troubled times. Now you got me feeling guilty---(???)
For your own sake, Piet. stop taking my posts AND your experience at STRAIGHT so seriously.
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stop taking .... your experience at STRAIGHT so seriously."
I was gonna leave this alone, but whatthefuck?
Yeah, it was just a little misunderstanding, the whole Straight experience, kind of the equivalent of a bad hair day, or maybe a hangnail I had a few years ago. A simple "I'm sorry, my bad" from Virgil or Mel or any of the other shitheads that ran the place, and everything would be fine. Yeah. Uh-huh.
It was sort of like Summer Camp, but with worse songs and food, is that it? Oh yeah, the abuse thing at a formative age, but hell, we're all adults now who should get over it, forget about it, and move on?
Thanks for your profound insight into the worst thirteen months of my life.
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On 2005-03-24 13:52:00, RTP2003 wrote:
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stop taking .... your experience at STRAIGHT so seriously."
It was sort of like Summer Camp, but with worse songs and food, is that it? Oh yeah, the abuse thing at a formative age, but hell, we're all adults now who should get over it, forget about it, and move on?"
Nah, we should all cut gashes in our arms like "formerly known as" did, AND JUST LIKE THEY SAID WE WOULD.
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Okay, this is getting cruel here making fun of someone else's pain.
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[ This Message was edited by: fka on 2005-06-02 05:47 ]
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Hope life gets better for you; I think it is time life dealt you some cherries.
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h, no big deal. these anon posters are just pining for the good old days when they were on fifth phase, staff trainee, junior staff, senior staff. power, sweet power. find someone's weakest spot, insert the knife and twist.
Yes, they were good straightlings......it was Tough Love! :flame:
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On 2005-03-24 19:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hope life gets better for you; I think it is time life dealt you some cherries. "
aww, that's so sweet! thank you! ::heart::
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Damn, mouse! Been awhile, but I don't think I rember seeing this side of you before. :eek:
Anyway, FWIW, I don't see even the tiniest conflict in what the two of you are saying.
It was medical research. And it has been used as reference by PACs and policy makers. Where the hell do you think they get those numbers to prop up their claims of people seeking treatment for marijuana addiction? Some of it came from the unfortunate strangers who fell under Schwartz's authority for a time.
I think that means something and I think people who currently regard any of his research, writings, musings or doltish utterances as credible or meaningful are entitled to a clearer picture of the source of the information.
O, BTW, new avatar for ya!
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once again for good measure
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