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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Mr. Bean on March 14, 2005, 03:14:00 AM
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What is going on around here?? sound to me that everybody has lost their minds, are you stupid or something :wstupid: ?? Why go around spreading lies about Cheryl? all she is trying to do is help kids who have problems because she has the love for them. I'm a former student i would know and you have no right saying the things that you are saying if you haven't been there for a year and experienced the "THE FAMILY" for yourself get it through your stupid heads as someone I know always say's it lol
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The concept of "THE FAMILY" is the problem! Kids were sent there to be educated, and for professional theraphy, not be become part of some cult-like FAMILY! Some warped-like sense of love is to be looked at very very closely.
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All I can say is do NOT leave the country w/ these people.
[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce
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I've been out of the country many of times with these people and I'm not complaining about anything. Get your head on streight these people are wonderful
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did you ever see cheryl in her "garments" do think it is normal for a "teacher" to go about in front of male students this way?
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of course I've seen her in her garments we are a family. Have you ever seen you mom in a garment?? bet you have and is that wrong well of course not unless you're just stupid or something. And i bet you even looked at porn before now thats even worse. So what are you trying to say?? Yeah I thought so keep your mouth shut
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On 2005-03-14 18:05:00, Mr. Bean wrote:
"of course I've seen her in her garments we are a family. Have you ever seen you mom in a garment??
She's not your mom, contrary to what you've apparently been told.
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On 2005-03-14 18:05:00, Mr. Bean wrote:
"of course I've seen her in her garments we are a family. Have you ever seen you mom in a garment?? bet you have and is that wrong well of course not unless you're just stupid or something. And i bet you even looked at porn before now thats even worse. So what are you trying to say?? Yeah I thought so keep your mouth shut"
So what is Whitmore? Is it a school? Is it a treatment center? Is it a bed and breakfast? How would YOU guys (supporters) characterize it? It is billed as a place for parents to send troubled teens, correct? How does creating this alternate "family" fit into any kind of school or treatment?The Internet is now safe for free speech.
-- Christopher A. Hansen on the overturning of the Communications Decency Act
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Whitmore is advertised as a school. It is not advertised as a FAMILY. It is suppose to be a FULLY ACCREDITED SCHOOL. The Sudweeks represent themselves as the owners and as "TEACHERS." Well, teachers are NOT PARENTS, and neither parents OR teachers run around in front of students in their underwear, and they most certainly do not show students porn!!! These kids already have parents! They were sent to Whitmore to be EDUCATED and for therapy. Well, Whitmore can not even offer therapy now. The Sudweeks no longer have a license to offer therapy. So all they can offer is EDUCATION. So it should be simply---teachers need to be fully clothed at all times in front of students! And no sexual activity of any kind PLEASE!
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no one said they showed us porn smart ass
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have i been posting here for not reason. can you read? i have told you a million times. they are a school! they are accredited! they have certified teachers! they are a family! The Whitmore was a bed and breakfast for 25 years, only 2 while they owned it! so what is your problem. bad information. we covered that. now you have the truth. something you arent hearing. this is not Joyce Harris, wanna be Cheryl or something. i think you are just jealous Zita loved the FAMILY so much. Hey Joyce why arent you posting your name these days. Because people know too much now for you too play your mind games.
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They have ears but cannot hear
eyes but cannot see
READ MY LIPS! HEAR MY WORDS! everything they say they have and do THEY DO! why do you choose to believe such stupid lies! if its about the money, get a clue. Every parent out there knows they are less than other programs. Which they dont Claim to be. They are a BOARDING SCHOOL. You could never find a place that offers as much. Just think about it. We went to 15 different states and 5 countrys when i lived there. get a clue. anyone complaining is just plain and simply UNGRATEFUL. I just hope they dont get tired of being harrassed and quit. I dont know where i would be if i didnt have that experience.
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If this is a boarding school, then where are all the teachers? Where are the transcripts of these kids that have left and never received them? Are transferable credits earned at Whitmore? Why is this intense new "family" thrust into these kids lives. What kind of a school has the "teachers" walk around in front of their "students" in their underclothes? Is it advertised as a religious school?
I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist
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Looking at the lastest STAFF SHEET RIGHT NOWs
HOW DO YOU GET "CERTIFIED" IN THESE FIELDS????
Cheryl------- Dance
Mark Simmons.....Wood shop
Ben McQuivey.....Matial Arts
Trinity, Jeff,Laysea, Anna, Shayla..Horsemanship
Verne.....Carpertry skills
Terry.....Mechanics
Eddie, Tori..."former students--Proctors"
One "teacher" is CALLIE...but from all readings she just meets these kids at the Library. So do not know if she is "certified" to teach English or not.
This sound like a well-rounded academic private boarding school education you'd want to be paying for, CAYO? It's THEIR Staff Sheet, not mine!
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FAMILY, MIND GAMES, LOVE,......Didn't these parents send their children to WHITMORE Academy for educational and therapy purposes?
These children already had a Family that LOVED them. They did not send their children to the Whitmore Academy to be incorportated into some twisted mindset of some "FAMILY" to be what is considered "LOVE." Who sends their teenage kids off to school everday and expects them to be LOVED. Parents expect their children to be taught academically, by qualified teachers. Parents expect their children to have professional therapy when they enroll them in a treatment facility....not "therapy" run by an UNQUALIFIED woman using her OWN TECHNIQUES that damage children. and Parents expect the ADULTS running the schools to at least offer minimum supervision...at least MINIMUM SUPERVISION. And the parents expect NO PHYSICAL OR SEXAUAL ABUSE...NONE!!!!
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The very LAST GOAL in my life would be to be a
"wanna be Cheryl Sudweeks."
Thank you very very much.!!!!
I can not think of one trait about Cheryl Sudweeks that I would aspire to.
No more than I would offend her and say she would aspire to my greatness.
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Whitmore is not advertised as a Christian-based school. It is not advertised as being supported by, or endorsed by the Mormon Church either. The only mention of the Mormon Church was: Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks attend the Mormon Church, and if you wish for your child to go with them, they will need a dress or skirt, if a girl--since pants are not acceptable attire. There was no mention that attendance at the Mormon Church would be mandatory--WHICH IT WAS!
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Who really knows the truth about Cheryl? Who can understand a person who behaves on this level of manipulation towards kids? Who?
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Why's Whitmore still on the internet as a Bed And Breakfast? Why's the license through the City of Nephi still a license for a Bed and Breakfast? Huh?
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Joyce Herris first you say that they are not accredited, then you say that they are just a school and are accredited (Damn girl) make up your mind it looked like you are confused GET OFF THE DAMN SITE we don't need your lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :flame:
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I said the Whitmore has "candidacy status" accreditation from the Utah Office of Education, young man. I do not lie. That is far from "fully accredited." Are you the new spokesperson for Whitmore now?
If so, you need to get your facts straight before you call a person a liar.
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spokesperson of course not, i'm just a former student who was there about 4 months ago and I know the truth there is nothing wrong with the whitmore
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There is something terrribly wrong with Cheryl Sudweeks when she refuses to send transcripts to students, and then the students have to repeat a year of school; OR they have to take the GED to get into college. That is wrong. School records should be sent from the Whitmore when requested. That is the right thing to do! Sure hope you get yours!
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Why then is she and Mark under investigation for child abuse?
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Is Elliot going to get his transcript? Seems he came on and supported the Sudweeks. That should earn him his transcript, wouldn't you think so, Cheryl?
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Elliott, graduation is May...are you getting your transcripts?
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My guess is you will not get your transcript. My son received his from the Whitmore and it turned out to be phoney. The DHS could not verify it and furthermore Cheryl and Mark could not and would not provide standard legal documentation that they were accredited. My son was supposed to be enrolled in the BYU highschool transcript program while he was with them. I called BYU after my son was out of the program because Cheryl would not send the transcripts. She kept telling met he did not do all the work. I found out he was never enrolled and that BYU was having major problems with these people for a long time. BYU told me that the Sudweeks would enroll one kid, copy the course work (launder it) and add their own work and work from other places (makeshift)and try to have BYU accredit it. BYU tried for one year to get proof of accreditation- but the Sudweeks could not provide "standard legal documentation" that they were accredited. And yes the authorities were notified and nothing was done. And yes, my son did have to get his GED. Thank you Cheryl and Mark. But of course it's not their fault- seems nothing ever is. Not even the Canada and Mexico incidents that made the papers.
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"OF COURSE" it is not Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks' fault--never is, right???
How about having courses on a transcript from Canada when your child has never set foot in Canada? Probably a "little clerical error."
After "graduation for Whitmore" think it is standard procedure that kids have to take the GED to go any further in their education. I believe the "graduation exercises" at Whitmore is just something to do to gather in the loyal parents just a little tighter into the Sudweek cult--just a little more "bonding." Seems to work. Just look at Alana DeGarmo and her daughter Tori--Sudweeks have them "in" solid. That lady even returns for "graduation week," and her daughter, a teenager, works at the Whitmore and gets to call herself a "counselor." Sorta scary when you think about it.
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Please contact me via private message concerning your son's so-called transcript.
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On 2005-03-30 21:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
BYU tried for one year to get proof of accreditation- but the Sudweeks could not provide "standard legal documentation" that they were accredited. And yes the authorities were notified and nothing was done.
I think this issue is going to boil down to a matter of culture shock. I'm guessing you live in an area where homeschooling is not a big trend. But, in a lot of the country (especially the more religious areas) there's a HUGE backlash against compulsory school attendance and a lot of skepticism over the real value of those formal credentials compared to the time, effort and committment required to attain them.
I think it's worth noting that the Suds seem to be misrepresenting the issue to so many different people. But the fact that they're not providing a standard, DOE approved education to their students may go down on the plus side of the ledger in many people's minds.
Give me the youth, and Germany will rule the world.
--Hitler
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Point is: the Suds might well ought to just do homeschooling. I have friends who homeschool and their kids are doing outstanding in college. JUST DON'T BE DOING FALSE ADVERTISING and say that Whitmore is "fully accredited" when it's not. People who want, pay for, and expect this FULLY ACCREDITED stuff, and who want or need it to transfer back to their little school districts have a right to complain when the Suds lie to them.
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You have a right to expect the truth .You HAVE a breach of contract. The refering organization breached their agreement too.
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Point well taken about the homeschooling. And you are definetely right about the false advertizing and being fully accredited. Then passing off transcripts and diplomas that are not real? that are only real to the Whitmore. :eek: Parents being told their children are in a certain program the entire time they are at the Whitmore, then later to find out their child was never enrolled in that program in the first place.
The parents who have their children at the Whitmore now must understand this is. It's not a made up accusation, I'm not here calling them names- this is what these people have done. This is only one example of their deception.
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How did you find out about the "deception?" Was the transcript/grades not transferable? Or was your child required to take the GED to get into college? What made you aware that it was falsified?
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Joyce- both. The GED had to be taken and the xcript was not recognized by the schools. I found about it when I called the school where my child was supposed to be registered only to find out none of the kids at that time were ever registered. Furthermore- the school had so many "problems" with these people.
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On 2005-04-06 08:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
" Furthermore- the school had so many "problems" with these people."
What kinds of problems?I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist
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Cayo Hueso- your answer to what kinds of problems-- from an earlier post on 3/30/05:
BYU told me that the Sudweeks would enroll one kid, copy the course work (launder it) and add their own work and work from other places (makeshift)and try to have BYU accredit it. BYU tried for one year to get proof of accreditation- but the Sudweeks could not provide "standard legal documentation" that they were accredited. When a phone number was given to BYU from the Sudweeks for the accrediting agency- it was the number of their own Whitmore Mansion. And yes the authorities were notified and nothing was done. They also told me the Sudweeks made several "no Show" appointments.
So there you-- honesty from such upstanding citizens.
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I'm confused .. it sounds like Whitmore was not accredited?
If this is true, were the parents who were referred to this program by PURE or any other referral agency told the program was, in fact, accredited?
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On 2005-04-06 12:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm confused .. it sounds like Whitmore was not accredited?
If this is true, were the parents who were referred to this program by PURE or any other referral agency told the program was, in fact, accredited?
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That's what it looks like from where I sit. Several different parents/family members have stated it just so and then there's the talk among recent former students about trying to get transcripts. Can a non-accredited school issue a transcript? I honestly don't know. Compulsory education laws are in a state of constant change in many states, so it could be. But I've never heard of that the students are under the impression that whatever schoolish work they did @ Whitmore was part of an accredited program. There never was a good war or a bad peace.
--Benjamin Franklin, (1773)
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Hey joyce you seem like a happy woman who loves her life.
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We were told that the Whitmore was FULLY ACCREDITIED. IT was not!!!
Currently according the the Utah office of Education:
Whitmore is "Candidacy Status" of accreditation, but the Whitmore is "RED FLAGGED" whatever that may mean.
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Unknown3- I am a happy woman who loves her life.
And how about you? Are you a happy person who loves his/her life? Hope so.
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There was no accrediation with any school when Leah was there. Another of the lies told to us.
We found out the hard way. The Sudweeks stole Leah's senior year of high school. No other way to put it. And the Sudweeks lied about it. THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.
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well when ever ileft i finally after about a month and a half af hasseling got my transcript and i got all a's and b's but i had never even heard of half the classes that i got credit for. and i had no idea what any of it was.
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please send me an private message ASAP THANKS
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YEP and Whitmore "GRAUATION" is coming up, and those graduates will be in the same boat. The parents would be WISE to DEMAND those transcripts while they are THERE!!! Ask for the transcripts while you are face-to-face with Ms. Cheryl, and while she is playing NICE.
NOT that the grades, credits etc. will be valid or really MEAN anything...but at least you will have the PHONY TRANSCRIPT in hand in case your attorney needs evidence down the road when you see the LIGHT!
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hey nice to see someone else posting. someone with half a mind. these people changed my life too. cut and dry. nothing more to talk about. i love them and if i have to (because some people are trying to ruin their lifes)i will fly out there and be with them through all this crap. this is so ridiculous. let them do what they do so good. leave them alone and get a life.
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who is this former student? got as and bs. should be grateful if you ask me. The reason my transcript took so long was because i had to wait until the end of the quarter. why are you such a dick?
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Did you not read all of the former student's posting? This student said he/she got all A's and B's for course never taken, completed or even heard of!
What is RIGHT about that? Why shouldn't this former student be upset after receiving a falsified transcript?
Some people in this world are honest, you know. Some people only want credit for the work they actually completed.
And this former student most probably does not deserve to be called a "dick."
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Anonymous,wish you could explain in more detail exactly what it is that Cheryl and Mark Sudweeks do so good that you refer to. Not much goodness of the Sudweeks has been posted here.
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to the student who loves Mark and Cheryl: how long have you been home?
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quarter?? are you kidding?? There is no beginning, middle, semester, quarter in the sudweek's 'school.'
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On 2005-05-02 13:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"let them do what they do so good. leave them alone and get a life."
well, well..............sure, WHAT EXACTLY is it that they do so gOOd? Get a life......sound advice.......let me see.......first order of business in this life...........HOLD THE SUDWEEKS ACCOUNTABLE FOR BEATING JOEY AND OTHERS..............thanx for the advice.........
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You say "some people are trying to ruin their (Mark and Cheryl)lives?" Really?
When you wander out of you FOG, and you figure out just how UN-loving the Sudweeks really are--and realize that your transcript is USELESS, and that your parents wasted many thousands of dollars...then you will be singing a new tune.
But, fly on up there to Utah, and support them.
Maybe Cheryl will be entertaining some new kids with her tearful STORY about the Canadians killing off their horses.
Or maybe you can meet the NEW JOEY that she has decided to torment for a year, and you can watch as a bunch of your old "friends" beat the hell out of this KID...maybe you can join in, just for "old times sake."
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why are you people so ready to believe all these lies. YES i did get a diploma and YES i am in college and NO to all your lies. I dont even know what a g.e.d.is all about. There was nothing wrong with my transcripts. I too had to wait a while for them. that was my fault. i owed them money. i owe a parking ticket at my school now and they wont release my transcripts until i pay it. why are you trying to make things into something different.
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i like the title. i know the truth about cheryl. well so do i she is just wonderful. what can i say.
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hey courture i mean torture i mean ugly (saw a picture) sounds to me like your mad you took so long to graduate. you should open your eyes. over 100 kids have graduated since you were there. only a handful you could call loosers. how does it feel to have your feelings validated by 1/16th of the didnt do so well angry hostile kids. 95 percent of us are winners. no Ged no bad transcripts. just good old graduation and valid diplomas, did the stuff kind of kids. by the way cheryl talked i thought you were kindof cool.by the way you talk, you are one messed up kid looking for validation in all the wrong places(fornits) heard you thought pretty highly of yourself. well why dont you think enough of yourself to get your facts straight. you have been painted the wrong picture by Joyce harris. Thats pretty sad. besides that, what makes you authority on truth when you were only here for 6 weeks and most of the kids spend over a year. you dont sound very happy girl.
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OH, now this girl is not so BEAUTIFUL in the eyes of Cheryl huh? Maybe this girl's parents realized that they made a mistake having her there.
YEA lots of graduates from Whitmore.
And just what are you doing now? In college?
Gainfully employee? What's your "claim to fame?"
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Wow, you must spend a lot of time listening to poor pitiful Cheryl raving about this Joyce Harris woman. What grown woman spends this much time gossiping and raving to some teenager. Sounds sick to me.
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Valid diplomas from where. The Whitmore has only been a licensed school for two months. Hardly long enough for anyone to graduate from anything.
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On 2005-05-03 03:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"hey courture i mean torture i mean ugly (saw a picture) sounds to me like your mad you took so long to graduate. you should open your eyes. over 100 kids have graduated since you were there. only a handful you could call loosers. how does it feel to have your feelings validated by 1/16th of the didnt do so well angry hostile kids. 95 percent of us are winners. no Ged no bad transcripts. just good old graduation and valid diplomas, did the stuff kind of kids. by the way cheryl talked i thought you were kindof cool.by the way you talk, you are one messed up kid looking for validation in all the wrong places(fornits) heard you thought pretty highly of yourself. well why dont you think enough of yourself to get your facts straight. you have been painted the wrong picture by Joyce harris. Thats pretty sad. besides that, what makes you authority on truth when you were only here for 6 weeks and most of the kids spend over a year. you dont sound very happy girl. "
Wow. You need to get your facts straight. First of all, why would I be mad that it took me so long to graduate, when I graduated on time, no thanks to Whitmore, but nevertheless, right on schedule. Second of all, no, I am not ugly, I know this, and so does anyone who knows me, so if you were saying this to hurt me, all you did was make me laugh. Furthermore, what are you talking about, 100 kids graduated, with what, a fake diploma? 1/16th didn't do so well?? Please, just another VALIDATION, as you put it so eloquently, of the fact that Whitmore teaches students nothing. All of the kids that post, aside from Tori, have horrible grammar, punctuation, spelling, or maybe it is just Cheryl. And, where do these kids, who have 'graduated' and received transcripts from Whitmore attend college? I am pretty sure that colleges require accredited high schools, and not just some joke of a facility printing off a piece of paper that says it is a transcript? Why is it that people posting are never going to college? They either stay at whitmore their whole life, or retain a GED to be accepted anywhere. Lucky for me, I graduated from a REAL high school, ON TIME. I didn't have to worry about those things when I applied for college. I was not painted any picture by anyone, but myself. I was there longer than 6 weeks, and everything that I have said here is the truth. Why don't you ask Cheryl why I would be bitter toward her, and the whitmore. Why don't you ask her if she has told your parents any lies? And why, might you ask, would she do this? Here is your answer: to manipulate you, your parents, and anyone and everyone involved in the Whitmore. Here is a question for you. Why do you think Cheryl doesn't come here and respond to all of these allegations? Why would she, as I am sure she does, go around bitching to the students about it, and put them up to responding to the allegations. Why do you choose to post anonymously, when you freely reveal others' names?
Lastly, who are you to judge whether I am happy or not? Everything that I have stated has contradicted what you said. Please, respond, it amuses me, as well as the fact that is will make you look like less of a coward.
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Couture it would be interesting to see a Whitmore Alumni register of what these kids are really doing right? What colleges they are attending, or where they are working. That sort of thing. Know of 3 for sure that had to take the GED because the "transcripts" were worthless, and a couple just couldn't get theirs for SOME reason.
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Everyone knows the truth about Cheryl--she reveals confidential information about former students when she's up all night TWEAKING away impersonating OTHER former students! Pitiful!!!