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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 13, 2005, 05:35:00 PM
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http://www.EMANCIPATIONPROJECT.COM (http://www.EMANCIPATIONPROJECT.COM)
I HOPE EVERYONE EMAILS THEM WITH THERE EXPERIENCES. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THERE KNOWLEGE AND THERE GOALS. THIS HOPEFULLY WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
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http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/emancipation/entry.htm (http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/emancipation/entry.htm)
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this is very infomrative and it would suggest giving it to parents who you think might send kids to these progrsms. did anywone look at the kidsincaptivity.com site that he linkss to? i thikn he and that lady are the ones in the aticles. i read aboutt the manure and stuff.. just read the afidavits part and wow!
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yes, it seems like they do work together, thomas coleman and isabelle zehnder. She seems to be the one with the kidsincaptivity.com website and he has the emancipationproject.org. at lesat that's waht it looks like.
i still can't belieave wwasp has little 7 yaer olds in their program.
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Yes - 7-year olds who have no toys to play with. Seven year olds who must shovel manure and castrate sheep at Majestic Ranch and pick up dead animal carcasses. How therapeutic is that?
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Anyone looking for the report that was done last February on Majestic Ranch exposing abusive practices there, it is no longer available at http://www.kidsincaptivity.com (http://www.kidsincaptivity.com). Sadly someone shut this informational website down and it's owner has not been able to get it up and running again.
But, luckily Isabelle Zehnder's report is still available on http://www.caica.org (http://www.caica.org) (the Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse.)
You can find it under CAICA reports. Sorry for any inconvenience this has caused.
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Everyone please be forwarned, most of these organizations that claim to work to protect kids are run by pretty incompetent people, so called whistle blowers that don't move forward or do make progress, but are not the skilled nor very smart, so careful where info you get comes from, recheck the sources.
Heard the same about the woman Isabelle. heard she
went against CPS in some state supposedly trying to protect kids and pretty much blew their entire investigation. she tried to be this knight in shingin armor but instead fucked everything up, read flags everywhere fer sure. But they do have senators, probably they dont know, theyre just a name far as i can tell. maybe just the lady who runs it is a little loopy and the others who work with her are legit. so sad, seems worse than the others with misguided intentions and (isabele) big ego
http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/emancip ... basted.htm (http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/emancipation/stories/States_oversight_of_school_lambasted.htm)
btw zhender needs to hire someone to write those reports becuz theyre shes an emabarrasingly bad writer i praise the intent behind it and would be kinder if i hadn't heard these things
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Kids In Captivity appears to be no longer on the web. But here's the report you are talking about.
http://caica.org/zehnder-report/exec-summary.pdf (http://caica.org/zehnder-report/exec-summary.pdf)
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btw zhender needs to hire someone to write those reports becuz theyre shes an emabarrasingly bad writer i praise the intent behind it and would be kinder if i hadn't heard these things
I couldn't figure out whether you post was a joke or not, you are criticizing someone else's writing?
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Looks like Emancipation Project is no longer involved in advocating against the troubled teen industry.
Anybody know what happened?
Were they in some way connected with Kids in Captivity (now known as CAICA) per the report on Majestic Ranch?
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On 2006-04-22 18:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"btw zhender needs to hire someone to write those reports becuz theyre shes an emabarrasingly bad writer i praise the intent behind it and would be kinder if i hadn't heard these things
I couldn't figure out whether you post was a joke or not, you are criticizing someone else's writing?"
On 2006-04-22 18:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"btw zhender needs to hire someone to write those reports becuz theyre shes an emabarrasingly bad writer i praise the intent behind it and would be kinder if i hadn't heard these things
I couldn't figure out whether you post was a joke or not, you are criticizing someone else's writing?"
I believe that's called being facetious....becuz..........LOL
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Not getting this point at all...
http://caica.org/STARTLING%20FACTS.htm (http://caica.org/STARTLING%20FACTS.htm)
Something to ask ourselves ?
? Coming from poverty-stricken nations who would normally welcome American money?
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Good question, I have no clue... been sitting here reading it over and over and still have no idea. :???:
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Okay, here is my best guess. They are saying that WWASPS seeks out poverty stricken nations to open up their camps, and the nations comply because they want american money. This is my best guess. I wonder what the motivation was to opening camps up overseas if they only served american clients? Were they more profitable because they employed cheap foreign labor? Were they simply outsourcing the entire program to make more money? That makes sense to me, and they aren't the first corporation to do it and definitely not the last.
Oh wait.. I think I got it now. The author is implying that these poor countries wouldn't shut down the camps unless there WAS in fact abuse becaues they were making money of it, and wouldn't normally turn away american money unless they had a good reason. I think that's it.
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yeah, thats it. it's easier to figure out with the full context. with the first question it makes more sense and reads easier.
Something to ask ourselves ?
? Can we believe all of these allegations are false?
? Coming from poverty-stricken nations who would normally welcome American money?
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It's strange the person who posted the initial question left out so much, no wonder it didn't make sense.
Four separate countries, all with limited child protection laws, have shut WWASP facilities down for suspected child abuse and neglect
Casa by the Sea in Mexico
Dundee Ranch in Costa Rica
Morava in Czech Republic
Paradise Cove in Western Samoa
Sunrise Beach, Mexico
High Impact, Mexico
Something to ask ourselves ?
? Can we believe all of these allegations are false?
? Coming from poverty-stricken nations who would normally welcome American money?
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On 2006-04-23 12:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Something to ask ourselves ?
? Coming from poverty-stricken nations who would normally welcome American money?"
But this kind of implies that b/c nations are poor they are inhernetly going to do condone abusive facilities- I don't approve of that implication at all--- w/ or w/o things being placed in context.
There exist absuses at many US facilities as well (granted likely not as bad) but isn't that a jurisdiction issue rather than a poverty issue.
After all, those same pverty stricken nations closed facilities down based on human rights violations. it think the author is assuming corelations where their may not necessarily exists any. Like poor people are somehow inherently more immoral...
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No, poor nations are not inherently immoral.
But they do, by definition, need the money, and the jobs, and that need can cloud the judgment of even the best of us.
Julie
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Newsflash -- Montana is in need of jobs too, St. George, Utah, and every other rural town in America.
WWASPS is taking advantage of cheap labor and cheap real estate (land).
It's really that simple. These program owners can pay foreign workers considerably less in wages than their counterparts in the U.S. They can also afford to buy land with facilities already built on the land to convert into schools.
Mexico has always been a hot spot for program owners. WWASPs wasn't the only program operating there.
To me, it looks like they are focusing on expanding in the U.S. except for TB. I expect to see more growth in this market (the U.S.) due to zero-tolerance policies and the ever growing problem of Troubled PARENTS.
P,S, Isn't Jay Kay married to a Jamaican?
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Doesn't his wife live in America? Was it a real marriage or a green card convenience?
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Isnt it intersting or distressing to consider
that the foreign countries which have limited child protection laws,had the decentcy to close the WWASP facilities due to allegations of child abuse whereas the United States have not.COULD IT BE THE POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS.Shame on them.
Its been stated the Jamaican facility provides an abundance of dollars into the local economy.
Yes Jay Kay is married to a jamaican.They are all in bed together so to speak on that island.