Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2005, 07:05:00 PM
inga
Post by: Gmom on February 03, 2005, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2005, 02:02:00 PM
after today i will no longer even look on this site because it is a bunch of b.s.! it so is. i mean i also don't even see why cheryl and mark would allow you guys to come on here and state things when only in the end it ends up just stirring up confusion and so on.
you can call me anything you wanna call me....won't hurt a bone in me, cause u just waisting ur breath.
I am home progressing each day in a healthy style. I get like 1o hours of sleep now every night, i exercise for an hour each day, take longer showers now, enough to actually get clean, attend church with my family, youth group every sunday night. I script often and write out goals on my mirror everyday. I have taken the good from the Whitmore and have left the bad is basically whut i am saying. So have a nice life and i wish u all the happiness in the world. :wave:
Post by: Cayo Hueso on February 04, 2005, 02:41:00 PM
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On 2005-02-03 16:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"one thing for some people, like leah and her grandmother and joyce and zita and erica, state your name if your gonna write something , or are you to scared someones gonna find out its you, if your gonna talk crap, face up to it and stand behind it. grow some balls and say who you are, your all a bunch of pussys. thats all you are.....
inga
"
First off sweetie, my email is right there in my profile so if anyone wants to contact me about anything I've written...feel free.
Second, I'm really sorry you're stuck in the position that you are. I hope you find some relief when and if you get out from under their control. We'll be here for you when you need us.
T'is an ill wind that blows no minds.
--Syadasti
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2005, 02:49:00 PM
Post by: Cayo Hueso on February 04, 2005, 02:53:00 PM
Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize an undercover dictatorship. To restrict the art of healing to one class of men, and deny equal privilege to others, will be to constitute the Bastille of medical science. All such laws are un-American and despotic, and have no place in a Republic. The Constitution of this Republic should make special privilege for medical freedom as well as religious freedom.
--Abridged quote-Benjamin Rush, M.D., a signer of the Declaration of Independence
Post by: Antigen on February 04, 2005, 06:39:00 PM
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On 2005-02-04 11:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
i mean i also don't even see why cheryl and mark would allow you guys to come on here and state things when only in the end it ends up just stirring up confusion and so on.
Erica, I think that's exactly why. These kids don't have a choice. And you know they don't mean half of what they say. Don't let it get to ya'.
Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world.
--Francois Marie Arouet "Voltaire", French author and playwright
Post by: Joyce Harris on February 04, 2005, 09:41:00 PM
Now how shocked do you think we were to have this little girl reporting sexual activities to us? And reports of abuse? And telling us how Cheryl Sudweeks confides in you kids in her Group Sessions about her inadequate sex life with Mark?
So, Inga---anything I have to say, I say it openly. And my little girl will never have anything to say on this site.
I believed Cheryl Sudweeks when she told us she understood adopted kids. She said her understanding camed from her experience of ADOPTING HER DAUGHTER DARLENE. Well, that was just another lie that Cheryl Sudweeks fed us, Inga. I have read court papers that state firmly that she and Mark never adopted Darlene. Darlene was a foster child, period.
So why don't you attack Cheryl Sudweeks for awhile, and ask that woman why everything that comes out of her mouth is a lie.
And ask her what pleasure she gets out of tormenting you girls and pitting you against each other like you are doing on this site?
Will it be you and Hannah cursing each other tomorrow? Sure it will be if Cheryl Sudweeks orders you to do so.
Joyce Harris
Post by: Joyce Harris on February 04, 2005, 09:50:00 PM
Perhaps you need to look for another little figure of speech that is more appropriate.
And, you kids there at Whitmore overuse the word "pussy." It has totally lost its shock effect if that is your intention. It really is not all that offensive or crude. Believe me, we have all heard worse.
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2005, 10:45:00 PM
It is good to have someone like you coming from where i am coming from
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Post by: Helena Handbasket on February 15, 2005, 08:40:00 PM
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On 2005-02-15 17:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ms. Harris, please at least use a little dignity when talking to these kids. You are really stooping to a low level when you start talking about sexual body parts. Grandmothers should not even be talking like that!"
Did they not teach reading comprehension at the Whitmore? She was quoting and paraphrasing others. Get a grip... and a reading primer. :roll:
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
Post by: Helena Handbasket on February 15, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
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...My brother has only been attending for about a month and he's already changed. He's so respectful and grateful now. He has excellent manners...
Maybe you should join him then!
Post by: Joyce Harris on February 15, 2005, 08:56:00 PM
I always sign on when I have something to say.
And my little 12 year old daughter does not read or write on this site, thank you very much.
And from how nicely she talks about you, your language does surprise me.
Joyce Harris
Post by: Joyce Harris on February 15, 2005, 09:02:00 PM
I do not use those kinds of words myself. I was pointing out to this student that using these types of words DO NOT SHOCK PEOPLE as much as they think.
They can make thier point more clearly, and will be listened to MORE, if they will delete the vulgar words, and just state what they want to say.
Your reprimand was incorrect.
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2005, 09:03:00 PM
Was it explained to you prior to placement that this is a Mormon program?
I'm just wondering if this was explained upfront.
Post by: Antigen on February 16, 2005, 01:04:00 AM
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On 2005-02-15 17:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Gmom, if you're a grandmother, shouldn't you be acting a little more respectful. I can't believe some of the things that you're saying. I thought grandmothers were different. I'm sorry for you!"
What in the hell are you people talking about??? Are you delusional? Gmom's not being at all crude or disrespectful that I've seen. And here you are calling her granddaughter horrible names and making really awful, slanderous statements about her. And you think this is going to convince anyone that there's nothing goin' on up there at the Whitmore but some good, clean, wholesome fun? What color is the sky in your world?
:rofl:
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Post by: Joyce Harris on February 17, 2005, 10:08:00 PM
If you are going to be rude to me with your comments, you need to re-apply your very poor reading skills.
You are referring to me-Joyce Harris- as the "grandmother" and I believe you are referring to my little 12 year old daughter as her granddaughter, Leah.
So, you may be rude to me--but you may not insinuate that my little girl might have AIDS.
Please be very careful about who you are insulting.
I am Joyce Harris, and so far, I am not a grandmother, but I hope I will be since I have two married sons.
Post by: Joyce Harris on February 17, 2005, 10:15:00 PM
We were told that the students at Whitmore had the free choice of attending any church in Nephi.
But we assumed that since Mark and Cheryl attending the "Mormon" Church, that Zita would attend with them. We had no problem with this.
What we did have a problem with was reading the weblog, written by Whitmore students: which stated that any students who did not attend Church on Sundays(even if the student said they were sick) was denied all previleges the following week.
I felt this was very wrong, and was forcing students to participate, even if sick.
BUT by no means were we told that Whitmore Academy was a MORMAN CHRISTIAN SCHOOL. We were simply told that the Sudweeks attended the Mormon Church, and that the kids enjoyed going with them.
Post by: Joyce Harris on February 17, 2005, 10:20:00 PM
Why do you ask us this question?
We did not choose Whitmore Academy based on any type of religious preferences.
Post by: Joyce Harris on February 17, 2005, 10:28:00 PM
I do have a question for you:
If your brother has only been at Whitmore for a month----and I understand that Leah has not been at the Whitmore for several months.....
Just how do YOU know that this young lady is a slut???
You need to learn this lesson very early in life young lady: Do not go around repeating vicious gossip told to you by strangers that you have only know on one little brief visit to a place that you know absolutely nothing about.
YOU do not know Leah. YOU do not know her grandmother. And you certainly do not know ME.
So, speak of thing you do know.
If you are impressed with Whitmore--then speak of the nice things that impressed you. Tell about the positive things that you think are working for your brother there.
But, do not slander other people the hope of defending people and policies that you know absolutely nothing about.
Now you have a very nice day.
Post by: Gmom on February 18, 2005, 12:57:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2005, 10:45:00 AM
This would be a problem for me; and I would suspect many others as well.
I do understand this is not an issue of concern for lots of people; but for those who believe Mormonism is a cult, and one which teaches very false things that can effect ones eternal life - this is a major concern.
It concerns me. That's why I ask. I have been told it was a Christian program with no mention of Mormonism. And so I wondered if this was the norm.
Post by: Joyce Harris on February 18, 2005, 11:26:00 AM
When we enrolled our 12 year old daughter at Whitmore---we just assumed that Zita would attend the Morman Church with the Sudweeks, and we honestly did not have a problem with Zita learning about a religion that if very different from our own.
We took it upon ourselves to begin to study about this faith--in order to be aware of some of its teachings.
We looked upon the Sudweeks "being Mormon as a positive." That they would PROBABLY have high moral values, and PROBABLY have strong family values, and that they would PROBABLY be kind people.
But our daughter's experience at Whitmore proved that our expectations were completely WRONG!
And this by no means is no reflection on the Morman Church or its teachings or values.
I do not believe for one moment that that Sudweeks represent the normal, everyday, faithful member of the Ladder Days Saints Religion, which many of us refer to as the Morman Church.
I would not refer to the Mormon religion as a "cult." Nor would I ever criticize anyone's chozen religion.
What I do criticize is people who dare hide behind ANY religion to try and justify and uphold their incomprehensible behaviors, and dare say they are doing it in the name of FAMILY, in the name of LOVE, and in the name of GODLINESS. That is wrong!
Post by: Joyce Harris on February 18, 2005, 11:32:00 AM
If you have been told that Whitmore Academy is simply a Christian-based "school" and that a child enrolled there will not be exposed to the Mormon religion, and will not be REQUIRED to attend the Mormon Church----then what you have been told is a TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION!!!!!!
Children at Whitmore Academy must attend the Mormor Church, or at least they did while my daughter was there.
I am not saying that was a bad thing---but that is just the way it was.
Post by: Gmom on February 18, 2005, 12:03:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2005, 12:28:00 PM
Please don't tell me it is something like:
"the clothes"
Or
"the bunk room"
What else went on at that place????
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2005, 12:31:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2005, 01:00:00 PM
2-15-05: Anon was praising Whitmore, and saying her brother had been there a whole month and doing fine. She got confused, saying Joyce Harris was Leah's grandmother. Called Leah a slut, who might have AIDS.
Then SARA told this sister: "Maybe you should join him there."
Then ANON replied: "she might fit in...."
Anon" "might fit in where."
Think that catches things up.
Now: I want to know---what is "the room"
"the clothes" and "the bunk room"
Is this part of the secret society or something going on at the Whitmore that we parents don't know about?
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2005, 08:32:00 AM
Since you want to keep talking about others, why not talk about yourself?
Why exactly did you send your 11 year old daughter away. She had to be in pretty bad for a mother to do such a thing.
How do you get over the guilt of the mistake you made by sending her. Has she forgiven you?
I'm curious to hear you discuss something you might just have the facts about for a change.
You are great on offense, let's see your skills on defense.
All these postings of yours has shown me that It's easy to turn your own guilt into criticism of others.
Signed, offended parent
Post by: Gmom on February 19, 2005, 11:18:00 AM
It seems that some of those who post on this site have lost track of the issues being discussed, which are the Sudweeks and their misrepresentations -- and the experiences of the kids that are/were there.
It really doesn't matter why the kids are there, obviously, there are reasons any parent feels the necessity to send there child anywhere, even to summer camp for two weeks. Nothing can erase the false claims of therapy, schooling, travel, etc., promised by the Sudweeks.
The kids that have told of some of the abuse that goes on there can't be taken lightly -- not when several of the kids are saying the same type things.
So far the only person to have been PROVEN a liar is MARK SUDWEEKS. Check out "THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL."
Post by: Joyce Harris on February 19, 2005, 04:21:00 PM
I have absolutely nothing to defend.
Read the statement written by my husband and myself. My daughter was 12 years old, not 11.
She did absolutely nothing "BAD" to be enrolled in what was represented to us as "a fully accredited academic boarding school, which offered weekly therapy, and daily group therapy led by a licensed therapist, an Equine Horse Therapy Program, led by a person trained under Monty Roberts, "The Horse Whisperer," in a caring, safe, place where she would be always supervised by "loving, Christian ADULTS."
And we were assured that since the Sudweeks themselves had an adopted daughter, Darlene (which we discovered is not true) and 14 adopted children as students at the Whitmore, (which was not true) that this "school" could address the problem of Reactive Attachment Disorder.
Our statement gives all the areas in which our family was misrepresented by the Sudweeks.
Our daughter has nothing to forgive us for, thank you very much.
Perhaps someday, she can find it in her heart to forgive the Sudweeks.
Our daughter knows who abused her, who forced her to abuse other students, who underfed her , who made her live in an un-clean environment, who humiliated her in front of other students, who was dishonest with her, and who terrified her. And I assure you, it was not, and is not her parents.
Post by: Richard Harris on February 19, 2005, 05:20:00 PM
The FACTS are in this statement, and our allegations against the Sudweeks on behalf our our daughter have been reported to the proper authorties in Utah.
The Whitmore is not what it promised to be, a "thearputic Boarding School". The Sudweeks misrepresented Whitmore's program and its services to us.
You will note on this site under the topic "The Truth Will Prevail" that Mark Sudweeks lied about my wife, and a Non-existent Nephi Police report. My wife and I picked up our daughter together from the Whitmore, and our daughter was not pulled by the hair in any way. This accusation by Mark Sudweeks is an absolute lie.
Many on this site seem to believe it is OK to attack my wife, and ignore the real problem--- the Sudweeks and the criminal allegations they face. I would think some of your questions would be directed at THEM!
Parents with children still at Whitmore need to be asking: What really is being done to your child? Are they really getting the help you sent them there to recieve? How can they get better with all the trouble that seems to follow and surround the Sudweeks?
Joyce and I were very fortunate that we removed our daughter from the Whitmore when we did.
Criminal Investigations; allegations of fraud;reports of unsanitary health conditions; and lack of a real education are all today part of the Whitmore life.
We placed and removed our daughter from Whitmore Academy. As parents, we support our daughter as a victim. Do we feel guilt? Of course, but not from the standpoint insinuated in the question by the Anon. We only feel guilt from the standpoint that we were deceived, and believed that the Sudweeks' program was as they advertised in their "Who Am I Discovery" brochures, and other advertisements on the internet. We feel guilty that we believed Sue Scheff was a concerned mother, who only wanted the best for our daughter when she referred us to Whitmore Academy.
We are only concerned about the rights of any children connected in any way with Whitmore Academy.
Richard Harris
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2005, 08:02:00 AM
You sure do have something to defend. You didn't do your homework before sending your child away. How can two supposedly intellegent adults not ask questions, go visit, do a google search, check and recheck. Take some responsibility for your own actions.
Why must you come to this site daily and try to blame others. You have no credibility here. Your rantings only make you appear unstable.
Put your money where your mouth is. Hire a lawyer that will do something. I'm guessing you already have and are frustrated at the results. I'm sure the police would have closed up this place immediately if these claims were proven to be true.
I'm done with this forum for good and done with you and your husband's story telling.
Before I go, I ask all who read this, please pray that this family seeks professional help. Let's pray for their 12 year old daughter and hope Child Services keeps a very close eye on her from now on.
Offended parent
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2005, 10:03:00 AM
//You sure do have something to defend. You didn't do your homework before sending your child away. How can two supposedly intellegent adults not ask questions, go visit, do a google search, check and recheck. Take some responsibility for your own actions. //
This sounds just like a kool-aid drinker blaming the parents for having been lied to and defrauded.
//Why must you come to this site daily and try to blame others. You have no credibility here. Your rantings only make you appear unstable.
//
They come her to vent and inform and see what they can learn, like most everybody else. You are not in a posistion to judge their credibility - here or anywhere else. Their rantings make them appear angry. You might be wise to not make the anger worse.
//Put your money where your mouth is. Hire a lawyer that will do something. I'm guessing you already have and are frustrated at the results. //
Hire a lawyer? You know how hard it is to use civil action to hold these programs accountable. If only it were so easy! But me, I hope they do find a lawyer and I hope they do su and I hope they win a massive judgement. That would send an important message to all those who will defraud families and torment kids.
//I'm sure the police would have closed up this place immediately if these claims were proven to be true//
Oh if only this were true!
//
Before I go, I ask all who read this, please pray that this family seeks professional help.//
We are advised by Jesus, to pray for those who offend us, so, I think I'll pray for you instead. You pray for them.
Post by: Nihilanthic on February 21, 2005, 06:33:00 PM
The trolls and sudweekians here spamming and venting their bullshit at the Harris family here is rather amusing but more of the same bullshit I see from any program anywhere at any time.
Joyce, dont listen to these fucks. They're either trolls or brainwashed idiots. And either way they're not worth your time or attention. They only say these things to rile you up.
FYI, they have put their money where their mouth is, unless that thing on ISAC just appeared out of thin air!
If quitting drugs means joining the war on terrorism, does this portend the fire bombing of Amsterdamn ?
--Felton Manifestation
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2005, 05:54:00 PM
The Attorney General only handles civil matters and is STILL investigating the Sudweeks for FRAUD etc.
The Sudweeks are still being investigated for child abuse and sexual abuse.
The Attorney General can be reached at
801-812-5206 to verify that the investigation against the Sudweeks has not been dropped!!!!
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2005, 11:26:00 PM
And "the clothes" that students were made to wear by Cheryl Sudweeks as punishment>
And the "bunk room" which some say was the "punishment room?"
Post by: Gmom on February 23, 2005, 12:17:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2005, 12:47:00 AM
I WILL NOT HUMILIATE OR HURT KIDS
I WILL NOT HUMILIATE OR HURT KIDS
I WILL NOT HUMILIATE OR HURT KIDS
I WILL NOT HUMILIATE OR HURT KIDS
I WILL NOT HUMILIATE OR HURT KIDS...............
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Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2005, 03:13:00 AM
What on earth are you offended about? Do you have a personal stake with the Sudweeks or Whitmore? Your first priority should be to discover the truth with an open mind. If you have a child there I pray they are smart and have skills to survive because it is certain YOU are not looking out for the security of your child if you accept the line of B.S. for facts when you can call and check facts for your self with the authorities. Let the truth be truth that is checked as we all know anyone in this country can SAY anything.
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2005, 03:49:00 PM
You act as if knowing all of the Harris's business would satisfy you. Why?
What are you offended about?
From reading this site, this is just one parent who has voiced serious complaints against these owners of Whtimore.
I would think instead of being offended, that you were be at least curious, and somewhat concerned.
The Harris's use their name, so they are a target. Does Anon, and Anon, and Anon and Alumni Mom, and Gmom, and Anon, and Anon and Anon and Anon and Anon and Anon also offend you? You need to read carefully. There are several students and parents posting here.
You need to read sites that have been referred to, and call authorities, and gather information before you attack someone, and ask questions that are really just none of your business.
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2005, 03:54:00 PM
I meant to say: There is NOT just one parent....
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2005, 05:45:00 PM
no charges have been filed nor will they be? they found nothing to support any of the alligations against the whitmore.
i guess my question is now, where did everyone else receive their information?
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2005, 06:28:00 PM
Anyone who wants to know the truth can call Mr. Sevison at the Attorney General office at
801 812-5206.
Again, The Attorney Generals office is investigating the Sudweeks for civil matters, and the investigation is still active.
The criminal investigation is still active, and the Sudweeks are still being investigated for physical abuse, and sexual abuse.
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2005, 06:35:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on February 24, 2005, 06:49:00 PM
If you guys want to go after the Sudweeks for fraud, you'll probably have to take it to the civil courts and split the return w/ your lawyers.
When elephants ? ght, it is the grass that suffers.
Kikuyu proverb
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2005, 07:08:00 PM
wwasp is still in operation? they con, they fleece, don't they?
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2005, 07:12:00 PM
Just as the County Attorney and the Nephi Police Department is INVESTIGATING the criminal complaints against the Sudweeks.
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2005, 07:16:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on February 24, 2005, 07:27:00 PM
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On 2005-02-24 16:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"for that matter they don't go after anyone then?
wwasp is still in operation? they con, they fleece, don't they?"
Yeah, they do. And, as far as I know, no state has ever enforced any fraud charges against WWASP or any of their affilated organizations or individuals. But there have been civil settlements, haven't there?
"Narcotics have been systematically scapegoated and demonized. The idea that anyone can use drugs and escape a horrible fate is an anathema to these idiots. I predict that in the near future right-wingers will use drug hysteria as a pretext to set up an international police apparatus."
--William S. Burroughs
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2005, 07:46:00 PM
A mis-informed parent posted that on this site.
The Sudweeks are still being investigated for fraud, child abuse and sexual abuse.
And sadly, they still have kids under their care while this investigation is underway.
Post by: Antigen on February 24, 2005, 08:06:00 PM
The Caterpillar and Alice looked at each other for some time in silence: at last the Caterpillar took the hookah out of its mouth, and addressed her in a languid, sleepy voice.`Who are YOU?' said the Caterpillar.
This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
`What do you mean by that?' said the Caterpillar sternly. `Explain yourself!'
`I can't explain MYSELF, I'm afraid, sir' said Alice, `because I'm not myself, you see.'
`I don't see,' said the Caterpillar.
`I'm afraid I can't put it more clearly,' Alice replied very politely, `for I can't understand it myself to begin with; and being so many different sizes in a day is very confusing.'
`It isn't,' said the Caterpillar.
`Well, perhaps you haven't found it so yet,' said Alice; `but when you have to turn into a chrysalis--you will some day, you know--and then after that into a butterfly, I should think you'll feel it a little queer, won't you?'
`Not a bit,' said the Caterpillar.
`Well, perhaps your feelings may be different,' said Alice; `all I know is, it would feel very queer to ME.'
`You!' said the Caterpillar contemptuously.
`Who are YOU?'
Which brought them back again to the beginning of the conversation.
Alice felt a little irritated at the Caterpillar's making such VERY short remarks, and she drew herself up and said, very gravely, `I think, you ought to tell me who YOU are, first.'
`Why?' said the Caterpillar.
Here was another puzzling question; and as Alice could not think of any good reason, and as the Caterpillar seemed to be in a VERY unpleasant state of mind, she turned away.
`Come back!' the Caterpillar called after her. `I've something important to say!'
This sounded promising, certainly: Alice turned and came back again.
`Keep your temper,' said the Caterpillar.
`Is that all?' said Alice, swallowing down her anger as well as she could.
`No,' said the Caterpillar.
Alice thought she might as well wait, as she had nothing else to do, and perhaps after all it might tell her something worth hearing.
For some minutes it puffed away without speaking, but at last it unfolded its arms, took the hookah out of its mouth again, and said, `So you think you're changed, do you?'
All religion is dumb. It's one big story they're feeding you so you'll behave on Earth. If there is a god, then he's a prick.
--Howard Stern, American radio personality
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10/80 - 10/82
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Post by: Erinys on February 24, 2005, 08:41:00 PM
And mentioned me to him;
She gave me a good character,
But said I could not swim.
He sent them word I had not gone
(We know it to be true):
If she should push the matter on,
What would become of you?
I gave her one, they gave him two,
You gave us three or more;
They all returned from him to you,
Though they were mine before.
If I or she should chance to be
Involved in this affair,
He trusts to you to set them free,
Exactly as it were.
My notion was that you had been
(Before she had this fit)
An obstacle that came between
Him ourselves and it.
Don't let them know she liked him best,
For this must ever be
A secret kept from all the rest,
Between yourself and me."
When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence.
-- Gary Lloyd
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2005, 11:24:00 AM
Is WWASP to be our standard? OH, if they aren't as bad as people say WWASP is then they can't be all that bad!
Let's not forget...some of these so-called fine people connected to Whitmore have their own little WWASP connections.
Sue Scheff who referred most of our children to Whitmore is a WWASP ALUMNI herself---she help recruit many a kid into WWASP programs as a dedicated WWASP Mom.
And Mark Sudweeks has been tied to WWWASP in his connection to New Hope Academy as posted on this site and on ISAC.
This site is about Whitmore Academy---and just because some may consider WWASP to be "badder" just does not make any parent whose child was abused at Whitmore feel any better becase a child in some other program may have had it a little worse. ABUSE IS ABUSE.