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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: 85 Day Jerk on December 10, 2004, 05:05:00 AM
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I received a memo from the Senior Associate Producer of a talk show that features a slim and articulate black man. The website is http://www.montelshow.com (http://www.montelshow.com) and is pretty informative. It even has little trailers for each upcoming show. The woman did not disclose the airdate of the show, just that the first one had been taped, and that they want to do a follow up show. This is a done deal as far as taping goes. Our story HAS been told and HAS been taped. All any of us can do now is monitor his site for upcoming shows, or e-mail his staff to see when it will air. Sadly, I was not asked to be a part of the first taping, but hopefully, the information I sent will help set the stage for the second taping which they definately want to follow through with. Take it easy and Happy Holidaze to all.
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Merry XMAS Mel and Betty. Finally the good folks of America will see what you two did to it's children! The truth is the truth. Perhaps it's time to make amends the the people you hurt. Time for you to get honest..................
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... um=7#70302 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=7387&forum=7#70302)
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Now that the cat is out of the bag so to speak...don't start celebrating yet.
No one knows how one of these programs will turn out or even if they will run it. The shows aren't live. They film them and then decide whether to run them or not. If the show isn't topical, emotional enough, or otherwise not to their liking, they could just kill it.
In addition, there has been some talk about using modern day victims, not straight survivers. Therefore, Perhaps the Semblers won't even be mentioned.
So where does this leave us?
Hopefull. Cautiously hopefull, that this helps get the story out.
No need for celebrating and setting yourself for a big disapointment later. I learned that lesson several years ago when I helped a reporter, a respected journalist and seed surviver himself for two weeks with research for a big national magazine. I partied with him, he stayed at my house and we became close friends. The chief editor of the magazine had actually suggested the story to him. He wrote it and sold it to the magazine. PAID. I sat back and said something big was coming, and it never did. Someone at the magazine decided not to run it and their option expired on the story.
Moral of the story... don't get your hopes to high.
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This isnt even to mention what creatve editing can do to a story.
Taping is one thing, but the final processed product could end up being a creature all its own.
I am totally supportive of this event, and I hope it gets the proper attention, however, I agree with Greg....wait and watch. Thanks in advance to the people who participated and told their stories!Forgive, O Lord, my little joke on Thee and I'll forgive Thy great big one on me.
--Robert Frost, American poet
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Radley Balko 12/10/04
http://www.theagitator.com/ (http://www.theagitator.com/)
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thanks for the informative article on tomatoes
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hehe, ah yes the ugly tomato....
Actually, that anon poster was trying to link to an archvie somewhere in there. Radly balko ALSO had a deal for a major article on the Seed/straight program. We were all so sure it was coming out, then he screwed the goose by releasing a copy to Sembler pre production, Semblers lawyers threatened the magazine, and they killed the story.
Another disapointment, another lesson learned.
This stuff takes time and effort. There have been some successes. The Agitator ran a blistering series on Straight, WAMI, High Times , and other periodicals have picked it up over the years. Thirty something years ago "these are new times" then a national publication, ran a story on the seed,complete with a graphic of a kid that had been Robotized with wiring and everything.It also documented cases of abuse. Back then they called us brainwashed robots.
Those that get their panties in a wad because something doesn't work out just don't understand how the world works.
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Scroll down past the tomato story. :wave:
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On 2004-12-10 09:56:00, GregFL wrote:
Those that get their panties in a wad because something doesn't work out just don't understand how the world works."
:nworthy: :nworthy:
Animals, are you paying close attention?
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I see it now. Thanks!
Rodney Balko is a journalist that gets the whole story..right down to how kids are abused and people overlook it because of the supposedly noble fight against drugs.
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OK so can someone who knows tell us, which treatment centers were they interested in in the show they taped? I know it's current ones so Im thinking SAFE, or KHK. Does anyone have the specifics on this? I would think there would be some info on what they talked about etc...
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Hey guys!!!
I read over this and totally understand your thoughts on how will it come out after it gets edited etc. Anyway - I was in L.I.F.E Sarasota- then Growing Together in Lake Wirth Fl. A reporter, Trevor Aaronson was recently in touch with me stating he was doing research on Growing Together and asked to speak to me...I was to scared of my words being twisted and just didnt trust the guy so I didnt call him. He did publish an article and I wanted to share it with you guys...some mention of Sembler is on pg 3
http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2004- ... ure_1.html (http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2004-12-09/news/feature_1.html)
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What is it that I'm supposed to pay close attention to? I keep watching and waiting for something big to happen. I still don't believe all of these 'small successes' are adding up into anyone's mind. We need an uncut fucking violent as hell movie or a war; and one that trashes the shit out of our perpetrators. I agree with whoever said that the editing room of Montel works close with Montel's attorneys and most of the gutwrenching things adult survivors are really going to want to say against their predators will be edited out for legal reasons.
I already knew this one was coming out on television. Wes used his words to make it sound like Montel is gonna be talking Directly about Straight Inc. Not true. I had to write a bogus email just to get the information about a show I already knew was coming. A few of us wrote to Montel a few weeks ago. My relative watches Montel shows all day. I don't personally consider Montel very major. Do you?
"Major Law Firm to consider Class Action Suit..."
"Major Talk Show to interview survivors of Straight..."
"Major news, though we can't tell you what it is, on the horizon..."
hype.
Yeah, I guess I am paying attention to what you're saying. How about trying this: how about if you're going to act like you're in the know about some shit that is going on or whatever ... why don't you do it Privately and investigate it fully before coming on a 'therapeutic' site and getting people's panties in knots about shit that's not true. Or don't. I don't give a fuuuuuuuuck. But, kudos to all who come here. I wish you the spirit of community. welcome here, there are no rules.
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You are the only one with your panties in a knot.
As usual.
Stop "watching and waiting for something big to happen".
You are just setting yourself up for disapointment. Try instead to work on something constructive, like your shit poor attitude and people skills.
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BTW, this is not a "theraputic site". It is a bunch of people who share a common experience talking about stuff. If you need therapy seek it elsewhere.
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GregFL,
You are correct. No kidding. And here's some more truth for all of us here at kookooland:
I spend alot of time being upset over the fact that alot of people come here and give advice. I have yet to meet any qualified staff, counselors, doctors, attorney. I have yet to meet ANY qualified journalists, writers, film makers, or any other certified anything out of anybody here except for certifiably done in.
When you say to share in our spirit of community - this is the first step toward honesty on a subjective site like this. Noone here is trained professionally enuff to offer any real advice, not trained enuff to keep the negative shits in your head from leaking out. There was never a time that I got any good advice merely from someone who has suffered or become a survivor, mostly they would rather you be like them than figure out the best plan.
Now a room full of neurotics and whackos isn't a very positive thing, and even when you get a doctor in the room, its still a crowd. You get more than four or five folks together and there's gonna fucking be mayhem.
My point is that I don't worry about a site that has no licensed merit. It's like that high school job you used to work at back in the day: you want to work there still because it was cool, but it's too small for you now. I am content to know some of you, even though I don't owe any of you a fucking thing, and although I am frightened of you for keeping vital information from some of us. There is noone here who is god, I haven't met any attorneys or doctors here, some of you have low college educations or maybe even a B.A .... but even that is just a piece of paper. I don't worry about someone who got the lucky chance to be a monitor because of a cool hand and head, or someone who had an idea to run a survivor's site. And maybe we'll share an adult beverage sometime or whatever, but to share something in brutal confidentiality on any site without any proper staffing and whatnot is nothing to worry about. Just like that old school job that expected you to be on time and work long hours for shitty pay; I don't go back to those old places unless I'm in a humorous state of mind.
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oh, and you're damm right I have a shit poor attitude. But you were wrong about my people skills. I don't have any.
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Hey, positive dialogue.
Miracles do exist.
Thanks animals.
:tup:
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On 2004-12-10 19:41:00, animals all of us wrote:
I keep watching and waiting for something big to happen. I still don't believe all of these 'small successes' are adding up into anyone's mind.
they are adding up on the internet, though: do a search for melvin or betty sembler or drug free america foundation -- you can't get to them without seeing our stuff.
sorry, some dumb advice from another lousy survivor on here, but why don't you go to law school or film school or something? so you can quit watching and waiting and do something? I'm not saying that to give you a hard time.
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No, he wants it NOW dammit!!! NOW!! :lol: It's a childish and naive way to look at the world. Changes like this don't happen overnight. Not by a long shot. The country has been so saturated for so many years by the whole 'help' industry that they are doing righteous and good things that it's going to be hard to turn the tide. Segregationists believed what they were doing was for the good of the country and it was widely accepted by most of the rest of the population. It took a looooong time for that tide to turn. These people have scared the shit out of parents for so many decades now and have been bombarded with the Nancy Reagans and George Bushes of the world and the countless list of so-called experts that it's just accepted now that these programs are the answer to all.
It'll happen, it's just not going to happen in the time frame we'd all like to see.
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whatsa matter? do you feel like I'm misreading you?[ This Message was edited by: Pietra on 2004-12-12 13:02 ]
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You're misreading me. I think it's childish and naive to expect that this is going to be resolved by any ONE thing that is done or has been done over the last few years. I was referring to whoever keeps coming on here and giving people shit for posting the latest info.
Believe me. I wish those fuckers would get what they truly deserve. Maybe they will someday. I know that no one is going to pay for what was done to me personally. That's over. I'm more concerned now with trying to affect a change in the way this society deals with so-called troubled teens. I like the fact that at least there is SOME press that shows our point of view now. There was virtually none before.
I think we're basically on the same page here. I'm glad to see some light being shed on this, even if it is on a daytime talk show. I just don't expect it to be some big revelation the way whoever is attacking Wes etc. seems to. Small steps.
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well I'm glad you could tell me that[ This Message was edited by: Pietra on 2004-12-12 12:59 ]
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Its not okay to call someone childish, but no problem telling people to fuck off and telling them their private parts reek, scream at them and tell them to kill themselves.
Nary a peek out of Pietra when this stuff occurs, but when someone mentions the word chidish or naive, Pietra acts as tho someone has just been viciously attacked.
some position you got there Pietra.
:silly:
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and who could this be, speaking out from under a bag? thanks for sparing us the stupid look on your face. I found the go kill yourself thread, which I was not here for at the time so fuck off, and that isn't even what he was saying. You don't know what you are talking about, and you don't know what I'm talking about, because You Are Illiterate.
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[ This Message was edited by: Pietra on 2004-12-16 04:29 ]
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This was me....
On 2004-12-11 16:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You're misreading me. I think it's childish and naive to expect that this is going to be resolved by any ONE thing that is done or has been done over the last few years...
this was not...
Its not okay to call someone childish, but no problem telling people to fuck off and telling them their private parts reek, scream at them and tell them to kill themselves.
Nary a peek out of Pietra when this stuff occurs, but when someone mentions the word chidish or naive, Pietra acts as tho someone has just been viciously attacked.
some position you got there Pietra.
Sorry for the baghead confusion
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i see[ This Message was edited by: Pietra on 2004-12-12 13:04 ]
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I'm not Carmel, but do appreciate the compliment as that's how I'm taking it. :em:
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Hey, that's my avatar! :flame: :lol:
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Stop agreeing with me, Pietra.[ This Message was edited by: animals all of us on 2004-12-12 07:12 ]
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what are you talking about, animals?[ This Message was edited by: Pietra on 2004-12-12 13:05 ]
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Bi-atchra,
Even though you replied to animals post, it's apparent that you're replying to me...
Go have yourself another identitiy crisis and give me my face back before you find out what a bitch I really am..
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A queen bitch that doesn't like Pietra...
I think I'm in love.
you go~ Q-bitch!
::kiss::
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animals, you do not hate me. give it up.
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What the hell happened to this thread? Really weird, am I missing something?
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your not alone shady its definitly spun into weird web
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http://www.montelshow.com/whats_your_PO ... isting.htm (http://www.montelshow.com/whats_your_POV/pov_listing.htm)