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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: blownawaytheidahoway on September 08, 2004, 06:35:00 PM
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Are you guys for real?
This IS the guy who was like a dorky looking 35-40 year old in 1990? Thick glasses. Blondish, goatee? Is that for real?
Please tell me that you are all making this up. Even for me, who is finally realizing how fucked up it all was/is, cannot believe "they" would keep him in a leadership role working with kids after hearing him copping out to this. THAT is unacceptable.
Bryan, are you sure? SOS? any other peers concur?
Because I lied before on this site about one thing...I said I wasn't Jewish. If that is true about Russ Decker, that he had done those things and came to work at RMA, I will track him down. Plain and simple. We can record the confrontation, and you all can stop worrying about him hurting any more children OR trying to influence them. We'll have him jailed.
A gang rape and a lynching? Please tell me you guys just hate him and made this up.
again I am
-blownaway!
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russ decker has a square head covered with black hair.
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The extent of the abuse and the depth of their fucking secrets would shock most. It's easier not to believe what we're saying. It's ALL 100% true. He copped to it, and Serb was at CEDU with me and he has verified it. I only wish some other people would strap em' on and verify it, too. No- Russ may have dyed his hair, but he had short dark hair and was built like a football player. He was a true piece of SHIT. It is all 100% true and anyone here who has ever talked to me knows I'm not a bullshitter and that I'm one of the few stand-up guys around. 100 fucking percent true. He fucking lit a homeless man on fire in a dumpster just for kicks and gang raped and drugged some poor girl. I had blocked that from my memory and I thank Serb for helping me remember.
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The extent of the abuse and the depth of their fucking secrets would shock most. It's easier not to believe what we're saying. It's ALL 100% true. He copped to it, and Serb was at CEDU with me and he has verified it. I only wish some other people would strap em' on and verify it, too. No- Russ may have dyed his hair, but he had short dark hair and was built like a football player. He was a true piece of SHIT. It is all 100% true and anyone here who has ever talked to me knows I'm not a bullshitter and that I'm one of the few stand-up guys around. 100 fucking percent true. He fucking lit a homeless man on fire in a dumpster just for kicks and gang raped and drugged some poor girl. I had blocked that from my memory and I thank Serb for helping me remember.
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People do make up shit if they feel like they have to. We know that. Screwy, but true. However...No adult would make that up. I
need photographic confirmation. Please help. The guy I remember may not be him...maybe I've got faces confused. But the name is too familiar. I am sure I think I know this "man" first hand, but I like to be %100.
Wow. That is too fucked up.
I asked if you could say "quack" but
Can you say Cracker? Fuck 'm whoever he is.
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I don't doubt that this guy said what you say he did. And, for all I know, it might be factually true. But remember that the guy had probably been repeating his awful story for 15 years or more. And these "horrible past" confessions tend to grow in the telling.
Compelling evidence would have to include a police blotter or news item of a burned body found in a dumpster around the right place in time. Emperical evidence would have to meet a much higher standard.
All that aside, whether the event was factual or not, the fact remains that this sick fuck saw fit to tell this story to a bunch of captive children. And all the other sick fucks who passed themselves off as responsible adults went along with it asif this were perfectly acceptable behavior. That, I think, is more easily proved and also more germain to the topic at hand; explaining to the uninitiated the nature of the Program.
Necessity never made a good bargain
--Benjamin Franklin Apr. 1734
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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Yes.
But if he really did...what then?
Some street therapy WOULD be in order!
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I'm calling Chuck Wyatt tomorow about it. He said he really didn't like Russ Decker and was happy when I told him he quit about a month ago.
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The question of if he really did will probably never be answered. But if someone w/ a solid stake--the girl who was gang raped or the family of the guy who was burned to death--comes forward w/ substantial evidence into which your eye wittness testimony of his confession fits, then maybe that will amount to something. All these decades later, most likely those folks will be inclined to let sleeping dogs lie, if they're inclined to think about it at all.
The other aspect of the issue, though, I really think that's a lot more salient. And I forgot to add context for the sake of the uninitiated. The context of these horrid confesstions was a group confession session. In it, this guy was the adult mentor to all of these (your?) children who were then encouraged to come up w/ confessions of their own. Human competitiveness and the need for acceptance being what it is, these kids were essentially encouraged to come up w/ confessions to one-up the others.
That's how these fuckers managed to get your kids to confess to things you never even suspected and, thereby, to re-enforce their schtick that you don't know WTF you're doing as a parent and should, therefore, ignore your gut instinct and "trust the process".
I remain thoroughly convinced that the mindfuck is so much more harmful than any of the physical abuse. I knew going in how to play the game and avoid the worst consequences (or so I thouth) I only got sat on once, and I made the fuckers regret that call. But I didn't get out of it unscathed.
Either cocaine and marijuana are terribly dangerous substances, and breaking the law by consuming them is a major offense that should be severely punished, or these are minor, personal matters that do not really count in the big picture of a man's life. If the latter is the case, then the rationale for a bloody, costly and futile war against drugs simply disappears.
--Jorge G. Castaneda, Newsweek International, September 6, 1999
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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w-w-w-wait.... RUSS DECKER QUIT?>@!#>!@>#!
i was so sure that he was a "lifer"
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One of the parents who called me about a month or 2 ago and pulled her daughter said 2 staff quit in one week. It was right about the time we started posting some really gnarly shit about things they said.
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who else quit?
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(blown away) I think that you might have Russ Decker confused with someone else.
When I met Russ Decker in 1991 he was 24 years old (he told me). Russ was aproximately 6'-3" in height, and was built like a football player. he had short black hair and a marine style hair cut.
I'm the one that posted the gang rape and homeless burning stories about Russ Decker. Allow me to re-confirm that I personally heard both of these stories come from Russ's mouth in Raps while I was at Cedu-RS (1991-1992). I don't know if the stories are true or not (I did not witness the events), I only know what Russ told us.
I AM NOT MAKING ANY OF THIS UP!!! I KNOW WHAT I HEARD!
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Whoa! It's just SO fucked up. But I now concede that the person I think is Russ Decker and the person who IS Russ Decker do seem to be at odds. The description you gave does not match the person I have in mind...but the name does.
So. Why isn't there a site where we can post pictures and bio's of people according to their confessions (heresay) and personal photographs and descriptions, especially in the case where Ex-staffers DO change their name! wouldn't it be a boon to protecting kids, informing parents about what people who know/knew the ex-staff personally, and us for remembering and posting new details, if such a site were available?
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we should have a mug shot section on this site.
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Right. And I'll even send mine.
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Yes. A mug shot site! You know once I did a search for the name Rudy Bentz and the first thing that came up was my post about his first rate instruction on the art of Liver fucking.
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I really did just giggle my ass off...and I don't even know him.
I was thinking of Joe Sweeney (really, really close to being a midget) standing on a stool fucking a horse...but that's not nearly as good.
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Was Decker a student first? Why isn't he in jail? Does the investigator know about the gang rape and the guy who was lit up?
You know what? We should get the public records of escorts/staff and make them available to the parents. Also, we should list the so-called schools they have attended--you know expose their BS online accreditation.
Shanlea
PS One time, I was nervous about a neighbor and had a friend who worked at the courthouse dig up records. You would not believe the rap sheet on the guy! Including the disappearance of a young woman.
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I am thinking of staff that came along after me. Therefore they were actually "younger" than me according to the program model.
Yes, escorts and especially people who are counselors with zero real experience should be checked out...but it's the same ol' thing: How much will the parents care who takes care of the kid when they find that ALL people working with kids generally don't know what the fuck their doing. It still won't make a difference because it's TOO hard to do it right themselves. Wow, I must really have been a pain in the ass a teen. Oh well.
I guess I really am in a mood tonight.
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On 2004-09-09 19:46:00, shanlea wrote:
"Was Decker a student first? Why isn't he in jail? Does the investigator know about the gang rape and the guy who was lit up?
You know what? We should get the public records of escorts/staff and make them available to the parents. Also, we should list the so-called schools they have attended--you know expose their BS online accreditation.
Shanlea
PS One time, I was nervous about a neighbor and had a friend who worked at the courthouse dig up records. You would not believe the rap sheet on the guy! Including the disappearance of a young woman. "
great idea, how do we get that info?
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RMA 1991 Staff to add to my long list from before.
Firstly: I found another Russ, that I assume must be the Russ who was at the time at RMA with me. Here is the addition:
Russ Hersrud, Greg Burton, Stephanie Fitzgerald, Gary Quinn, Did you know that Lou down at the farm's last name is the same as Ken Maring (father and son I think... it's better than the saw mill maybe) Mike Bonner, Steve Alleman, karen Millar, Greg Springer(tt?)Tom Water, money people Ron Hanson, Mike Demarco, looked like a stringbean, (is that right)
Rea and sharon Kreider is now spelled right, parent communicator Kathi Puyleart, and Nancy Venard