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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => News Items => Topic started by: Hamiltonf on June 10, 2004, 05:55:00 AM
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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f ... 72ISD1.DTL (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/06/09/MNGO572ISD1.DTL)
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Well their steps at least make more sense than AARC's!
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Are you suggesting Narconon is the lesser of two evils? Equally evil, I would say!
And while we are at it, throw in DARE
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Level of evils in my humble opinion:
3) Narcanon
2) DARE
1) AARC
However Dare is only second on the list because of where its money goes to. The actual DARE program I think is more useless than damaging.
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AARC follows AA's 12 Steps how is that like Narcanon? Dumbass
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DARE is only useless at it's stated goal; to teach school children to reject recreational drugs. But I don't think that was ever the real objective. If we wanted to teach kids, or adults for that matter, about drugs we'd send in a pharmacist or a nurse or a med student or someone else w/ some claim to expertise about drugs. Instead, we send in armed law enforcement officers to cultivate snitches, condition the kids and the faculty and, by extension, the rest of us to being under surveilance all the time. IMO, DARE has been a smashing success at achieving that objective.
Remember that Betty Sembler, cofounder of Straight, Inc., has been on the BOD of DARE, America and DARE, International for decades. They may be crazy, but they ain't dumb. They don't throw money and influence away on programs and projects that fail to meet their objectives.
It's obnoxious to ask law enforcement to follow the law. That's insulting to every cop.
--John Lovell, lobbyist for the California police chief's association
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Let's say a loved one is addicted to drugs and/or alcohol to the extent that they can't function, they hurt others, and they can't parent. What is a good way to get help? I know zip about Narconon but I always thought it must be agood AA-type program. Lately, I've read some posts that dispute this. (I have no clue.) So, what is a good way to help an unfunctioning addict? Or what is a good way for them to get help themselves?
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My mother is dying right now because of her addicition/compulsion to Cigarettes.
The truth in my opinion is that you just gotta submit to the fact that it is out of your control. Someone who wants to compulsively use a harmfull substance cannot not be coerced to stop.
So how do you help them or get them to help themselves? sometimes you just can't. Accept it. The world isn't under your control nor do people always behave as you wish they would.
Love them, tell them it hurts to watch them self destruct. Don't enable them. Hope. Wish. Just don't lock them up in coerced treatment because it might push them right over the edge.
just my opinion.
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Amen Greg!
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I agree with that. But what about Narcanon? Is it helpful? What are the pros/cons. My Aunt has been there for 25 years. Methinks its abn enabler. Am I wrong?
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NarCONon is Scientology!
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/ (http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/)
http://www.crackpots.org/ (http://www.crackpots.org/)
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Oh. I thought Narconon was the same thing as AA except for drug addiction. I guess not.
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The one that is the same as AA but for drug addicts is NA, narcotics anonymous. Definitely different from narcanon. :smile:
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Thanks for the clear up... I am obviously uninitiated.
What do you all think of AA and NA?
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I went to AA and NA meetings for about 10 years. They definitely helped me at the time, there was a real sense of community. It was a place I went and didn't feel so alone or different from anyone else. I did find after a time, that a lot of people, in the particular city and groups I went to talked and complained about the same thing year after year. They didn't seem to be growing or moving on, they seemed to be staying stuck and sick. I found that it became a negative place for me to be after that amount of time. I think it depends though on the group and the people in it. The good thing about AA and NA, as opposed to the treatment centers, is that they are not forced places. People go because they believe they have a problem and want help for it.
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On 2004-07-27 16:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thanks for the clear up... I am obviously uninitiated.
What do you all think of AA and NA?"
http://orange-papers.org/ (http://orange-papers.org/)
This guy pretty much sums up MY opinion of AA and NA. Look at the origins of it. I was in Straight in the early 80s. I think, but I could be wrong, that Straight was AARC's predecessor.the war on drugs is but one manifestation, albeit a very dramatic one, of the great moral contests of our age -- the struggle between two diametrically opposed images of man: between man as responsible moral agent, 'condemned' to freedom, benefiting and suffering from the consequences of his actions; and man as irresponsible child, unfit for freedom, 'protected' from its risks by agents of the omnicompetent state.
--Thomas Szasz