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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Kiwi on March 29, 2004, 12:29:00 PM
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http://http://news10now.com/content/all_news/?ArID=14770&SecID=83
By: Kristin Smith, News 10 Now Web Staff
Members of an escort service that transfers troubled teens to a North Country school for juveniles are accused of assaulting a child it was transporting.
Police say the 17-year-old boy's parents, from Red Hook, were disappointed when their son's grades slipped over recent months.
They say he had no prior record, but his parents decided to send him to the Academy at Ivy Ridge in Ogdensburg. They take in troubled teens.
The boy?s parents decided to get an escort service to drive him there.
?They had made arrangements with the people from Teen Escort to get him in the middle of the night when he was groggy, when he wouldn't really understand what was going on and probably wouldn't put up much resistance,? said James Hunt, New York State Police Department.
Police say the parents paid about two thousand dollars to have the Utah-based company take their child to the school, but Hunt says Teen Escort seems to be operating in gray areas of the law.
According to police, on March 22nd, 38-year-old Timothy Hurd and 24-year-old Leonard Faulstick handcuffed the teen, forced him into a vehicle, and started to drive.
Police say the three were on the thruway in the town of Canajoharie when the boy apparently reached over the front seat of the vehicle and pulled on the steering wheel, causing the car to crash into a guardrail.
Troopers took an accident report and let them go.
Police say the men then re-handcuffed the teen behind his back and beat him.
?We're not certain at this point in time just who in New York is regulating this industry. Whether in the schools, whether it's the Department of Education, whether it's the Department of Social Services, the police, the Attorney General?s Office, we don't know who's regulating this activity,? he said.
Hunt says Hurd and Faulstick are charged with unlawful imprisonment in the second degree and assault in the third degree.
Both are scheduled to appear in the Town of Canajoharie Court on April 2nd.
The boy is now back at home with his parents.
Hunt says Teen Escort is under investigation for poor regulation. Ivy Ridge is also under investigation due to claims of child abuse at the school.
The FBI is investigating. [ This Message was edited by: Kiwi on 2004-03-29 12:34 ]
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Thank you Kiwi!!
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They only assault those kids because they're acting out. WTF is the matter with you? Obviously the little miscreants needed to be subdued. What were they supposed to do? These kids will stoop to anything if it means that they can get back on DRUGS. :flame:
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Imagine the trauma this poor kid was subjected to as a result of his parents aiding and abetting in the abduction of their own child. Nice going there, folks. Think they might be entitled to a "refund" for services NOT rendered?
:roll:
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Poor Kid?? Didn't he try to kill the driver in an attempt to escape? What would you do if sometime tried to kill you? Yes, anger got in the way of clear thinking...too bad.
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On 2004-03-29 11:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
What would you do if sometime tried to kill you?
Abandon the attempt to kidnap them and let them go. Of course, I wouldn't initiate an attempt to kidnap somebody, so I'll probably never be faced w/ such a problem.If All it takes is an infinite number of monkeys with type writers, then how come there's no Shakespeare coming out of AOL?
-- Anonymous
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And no doubt your kids will end up on drugs.
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Oh please, the kid was being kidnapped. How was he supposed to act? Shame on the parents for hiring these people in the first place. They could and should have transported their own child. Hopefully, this incident will wake up parents to the fact that *escorting" (sic) kids is no minor matter.
:wave:
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Good story. :tup:
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ISAC ROCKS!!!! They're the best. Talk to them FIRST.
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On 2004-03-29 11:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Poor Kid?? Didn't he try to kill the driver in an attempt to escape? What would you do if sometime tried to kill you? Yes, anger got in the way of clear thinking...too bad. "
In an attempt to escape *from being kidnapped*---that's a normal human response.
My sympathy is *not* with the paid kidnappers.
Throw the book at the bastards.
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But hell, all they wanted to do was help that youngin.. :???:
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Do you think the parents called for an escort because their son was out of their physical control and in order to get him to the school they had to do this. Do you think it was an easy decision? The kid proved to be too much for the escort. Had the parents already shared with the escort service their son was likely to react this way? If the parents didn't share this, then they would be at fault in some way. Most of the teens don't react this way and in such a violent manner. I doubt if this kid was that violent the Academy would have accepted him. It really is up to the parents to be honest about the violence. It is a WWASPS policy to not accept violent youth.
Now, if someone tried to kill me for doing my job, and not having been there, I'm not sure I would have reacted any differently. Being angry and scared at the same time got both of them into a dangerous situation.
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Damn right!! The little bastard had it COMIN'!
Whip 'em! Whip their fuckin' little ASSES! :flame:
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On 2004-03-30 11:12:00, Turd Of Wisdumb wrote:
"Damn right!! The little bastard had it COMIN'!
Whip 'em! Whip their fuckin' little ASSES! :flame: "
Your hair doo awaits your attention.
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aww hell... :lol:
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Had the parents already shared with the escort service their son was likely to react this way? If the parents didn't share this, then they would be at fault in some way.
Anyone dragged from their bed by strangers, handcuffed and taken God knows where could react in this manner. Seems he feared where he was going so much that he attempted suicide. And in such a situation, yes, I would like to take some of those responsible with me too.
I doubt if this kid was that violent the Academy would have accepted him. It really is up to the parents to be honest about the violence. It is a WWASPS policy to not accept violent youth.
And pigs fly.
Now, if someone tried to kill me for doing my job, and not having been there, I'm not sure I would have reacted any differently. Being angry and scared at the same time got both of them into a dangerous situation.
This kid was obviously angry and scared. As for the escorts, they waited for the police to arrive, submitted an accident report, re-handcuffed the kid and then got so scared that they beat him up?
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Truth be told, this boy is not the only kid who did not go "willingly" with somebody or persons hired to transport him into a school or program.
What's hard to believe is that parents generally
hire escorts without fully understanding or appreciating the inherent risk they are taking with their child's physical and emotional well-being.
Shame on any program admissions rep, ed con or independent referral agent who promote the use of escorts as being "child friendly".
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Jes bring 'em down t' my SHACK! I guaran-damn-tee yuh I'll git those little basturds strate!! I'll take a strap t' their BACKIDE and WHIP 'EM!!! I'LL WHIP THEIR FUCKIN' LITTLE ASSES TIL THEY BLEED!!!! Then they'll learn not t' fuk around with druggs. I tell YEW whut!! :flame:
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On 2004-03-30 11:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Do you think the parents called for an escort because their son was out of their physical control and in order to get him to the school they had to do this. Do you think it was an easy decision? The kid proved to be too much for the escort. Had the parents already shared with the escort service their son was likely to react this way? If the parents didn't share this, then they would be at fault in some way. Most of the teens don't react this way and in such a violent manner. I doubt if this kid was that violent the Academy would have accepted him. It really is up to the parents to be honest about the violence. It is a WWASPS policy to not accept violent youth.
Now, if someone tried to kill me for doing my job, and not having been there, I'm not sure I would have reacted any differently. Being angry and scared at the same time got both of them into a dangerous situation. "
Bwahahahahaha
You program advocates persist in your dream world that the rest of the country would think what you do is okay if they knew about it.
Guess what? The cops *saw* these thugs re-handcuff the kid and *then* beat him.
Guess what? That action by the thugs was *illegal*.
Guess what? The cops charged the bastards.
Guess what? When they testify to what they saw in court, the judge will very likely *not* be sympathetic to the kidnapping thugs.
Busted!!!!!!
::cheers::
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OH MAN OH MAN, if i was told i was going to Ivy Ridge, i'd have done the same thing, maybe worse.
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thanks Kiwi
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Yeah, his grades were slipping. That nasty little teenager. he deserved to get a beatin and to be sent to Ivy ridge.
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T' HELL with that fukkin IVY RIDGE place. That's a goddamn SUMMER CAMP!!! Send 'em on down to Virginny to me! I'll put 'em in my shack and whip their little ASSES 'til they BLEED those goddamn drugs right out of their BACKSIDES!!! :flame:
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On 2004-03-30 11:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
Now, if someone tried to kill me for doing my job, and not having been there, I'm not sure I would have reacted any differently. Being angry and scared at the same time got both of them into a dangerous situation.
You people need to get over your victim mindset and start taking responsibility for your own choices.
In order to live free and happily you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always an easy sacrifice.
-- Richard Bach
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Oooooh! Nice burn! :lol:
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Utah Department of Commerce Business Entity Search
Name Type City Status
TEEN ESCORT SERVICES (TES) DBA LAVERKIN Expired
Business Name: TEEN ESCORT SERVICES (TES)
Entity Number: 2273475-0151
Registration Date: 04/05/1995
State of Origin: UT
Address
55 E 200 S
LAVERKIN , UT 84745
Status
Status: Expired
Status Description: Failure to File Renewal
This Status Date:
Last Renewed:
License Type: DBA
Delinquent Date: 04/05/1998
(Note: If your renewal is not received within 60 days of delinquency date your filing will expire.)
Registered Agent
Registered Agent: ANN S ATWOOD
Address Line 1: 55 E 200 S
Address Line 2:
City: LAVERKIN
State: UT
Zip: 84745
Additional Information
NAICS Code: 4871
NAICS Title: 4871-Scenic and Sightseeing Transportati
I just like the terminology: "Delinquent Date". So a firm for "escorting" delinquents (taking the scenic route, apparently) has gone delinquent.
There is another, also expired, company with almost the same name: Teen Escort Services, Inc. Typical WWASP recycling.
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Now, if someone tried to kill me for doing my job, and not having been there, I'm not sure I would have reacted any differently. Being angry and scared at the same time got both of them into a dangerous situation.
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One would hope that your job would not be abusing children. EVEN IF YOU ARE A PARENT, you do not have the legal right to jump into your child's room in the middle of the night, handcuff him, and drag him into the car for a trip to God knows where.
Frankly, the police were negligent here. What if these guys only TOLD the police they were authorized to take the kid? The police should have put them all in custody until they sorted it out, then placed the kid with the local children's services department. Remember when Jeffrey Dahmer killed that 14 year old boy? The kid managed to escape, drugged and naked, and the police BROUGHT HIM BACK to be murdered because they believed Dahmer's story that they were lovers. This could have been exactly the same kind of situation.
And as for the parents in this case, they are no different that anyone else who gives consent for others to abuse their children. They should be prosecuted, placed on a child abuse registry, and any other kids in the home should be removed.
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Be nice to know if these parents worked with an educational consultant and if so, who?
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Do transporters have to be licensed in Utah?
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More from Amy Joi:
http://http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595057924,00.html
And, in case the original link disappears, it is also here:
http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=4691&forum=9&start=150&159#46161
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***Thompson believes similar preliminary research should be conducted by the Office of Legislative Research to determine if criminal background checks are being required in Utah for transport services.***
That's all well and good, but whether one has a criminal background or not does not rule out the possibility of abuse/violence presently or in the future- particularly in the teen warehouse industry which holds a pretty unanimously skewed view of reality. As one program advocate stated, "They're emotional terrorists". Hope they don't go off on a useless mission- research- instead of looking at the more important issues. Their focus should be on the ongoing mistreatment employed by such 'services'. Why they beat the kid up, yet present pretty lies to parents about how skilled they are at dealing with teens on their website. Can a parent have their child abducted and incarcerated without so much as an evaluation to determine such is 'necessary', if it ever is.
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i was transporting the teen. i was arrested after the boy falsely claimed i beat him. the boy only made his claim as he was being investigated for attempting to kill me. the boy gave us no struggle at his home were his parents calmly explained to him were he was going and why. the teens father was following behind us in his car. we did nothing wrong. the boy made it to the school saftly were he tested positive for cocaine . all charges have been dropped . and no, we never hit the boy.
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This boy's survival instincts kicked in. It's ONLY NATURAL, cocaine or no cocaine. He was trying to defend his life. He got away, he's one of the lucky ones. :smile:
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On 2005-08-08 11:34:00, timhurd wrote:
"i was transporting the teen. i was arrested after the boy falsely claimed i beat him. the boy only made his claim as he was being investigated for attempting to kill me. the boy gave us no struggle at his home were his parents calmly explained to him were he was going and why. the teens father was following behind us in his car. we did nothing wrong. the boy made it to the school saftly were he tested positive for cocaine . all charges have been dropped . and no, we never hit the boy."
You did nothing wrong? You kidnapped a boy from his home in a the middle of the night. There's nothing good, right, or beneficial about that.
Cocaine or no cocaine, that boy was acting in self-defense. And he was perfectly right to behave this way. He was being kidnapped and imprisoned without due process.
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I wake up pretty quickly if I hear a sound that Im not used to or someone who doesnt live with me enters my house. If I had someone show up with the intent to 'take me somewhere' Id put something sharp in his jugular pretty quickly.
To think anyone here would do otherwise who wasnt totally disoriented or paralyzed by fear is ridiculous. But hey, when youre locked in the program-universe, they should be gracious and accept the fate doled out to them that theyre bad kids and need to be drug off to be 'fixed' and kept away from home for years! A Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother.
--Anonymous
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Its not kidnapping when the parents know about it and are a party to it. If the parents give permission its not kidnapping in the eyes of the law. Sorry.
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bullshit. Cocaine is one of the most soluble substances in the world. He would have had to have snorted a rail in the backseat to have it show up on a test after all the police reports, the ride there, and the admitance, before they could test for it. Cocaine stays in the system for 1 to 1 1/2 hours only, you could test for benzoylecgonine in the urine up to a day or two after the cocaine was used, but you'd have to snort like atleast a gram, maybe even an 8ball yourself the day before, and not had a lot of water for that to show up in amounts high enough to show up at all on a drug test. So, I want to know, if they took the kid in the middle of the night when he was asleep (obviously that means he wasn't on it at the time) then, sometime between the kidnappers arrival and the time he pulled the wheel, he would have had to taken a large enough amount that it stayed in his system to be tested for after the accident, the reports, the continued drive, and the admitance process. So when did he have the coke? Was it SUPPLIED to him? Did the drivers just not see the kid taking out a mirror and a razor and a little plastic pouch and rolling a dollar in the backseat? Or was that just a load of BS to make the kid look bad and justify his being sent away?
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On 2005-08-08 15:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Its not kidnapping when the parents know about it and are a party to it. If the parents give permission its not kidnapping in the eyes of the law. Sorry."
Used to be rape was not rape when it was done by one's husband. Used to be slavery was legal and aiding and abetting runnaway slaves was illegal.
Legal or not, it's still wrong. On some level you must know that. And you must know that you deserve much worse than this kid was able to do to you under the circumstances. I honestly wouldn't feel the least bit sorry for you if one of them eventually kills you during an escape attempt. Sorry you are. At least that much of what you say is objectively true.
"I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some vile disease."
"That all depends, sir, upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."
--Disraeli to Gladstone
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It is what it is, CHILD ABUSE, CHILD ABUSE, CHILD ABUSE. YOU BETTER BELIEVE WE HANDCUFF OUR KIDS WE ARE GOING TO JAIL, SO TRANPORT OR NOT IT IS CHILD ABUSE. Ought to be illegal.
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I posted that previous post...and I am not the escort. I was simply stating what the law is, not whether or not it is ethical in another's opinion.
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Kids who are at risk of being "escorted" should sleep with their arm handcuffed to their bed. At least make it damn difficult for the kidnappers to load em up in the rental car and drive em off into the night.
Bastards!
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On 2005-08-08 15:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Its not kidnapping when the parents know about it and are a party to it. If the parents give permission its not kidnapping in the eyes of the law. Sorry."
I am not so sure. It might not be in New York State. Wasn't the kid's dad invesigated for aiding and abetting?