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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: E7haterJe on December 27, 2003, 02:14:00 AM
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Does anyone still use the Elan language? and if u dont but hear someone say something in Elan language, doesnt your eyes and teeth cringe by the sound! :wstupid:
Anyway I keep thinking of things to add...but I am sure I am competly boring you guys..whomever is reading this...Sorry... :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:
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hey Jen it's Jordan, you are very insightful, i go through the same shit......almost to your every word (with the exception of the females dorms etc.)...thank you for sharing:) :nworthy:
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i cant hit the pan as quick as i could then, but when i come back to work after a meeting and my employees are fukn around i tell em to tighten up; just outa habbit. When i first got out i was definetly makin up for lost time, did all kinds of ccrazy shit only now am i finaaly simmering down.
SyN
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Hey whats up guys?
Art- I guess Ginger heard me...THANKX GINGER!! "supreme goddess" haahah
I got the "SUPREME" from SYN..ahah (i am a biter) lol/ (not literally speaking..lol... ::drummer:: ::cheers:: ::cheers:: (all the guitars because Churchills pub the PUNK (coolest bar!! to go to in MIAMI..is one I think(of the pictures)
Syn- I figured it out! i used these extra smilies last night but i didnt realize to scroll down for more in that list..(Btw i sent u an yahoo instant message but u didnt respond, i guess that s bc its not working??
Oh by the way- did u know there is a famous female (house music) dj named SYN in Miami...
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yea I saw that movie a while ago. Isn't that with that hottie Brad pitt? UGH!! he's soo hot! Anyway- I think I saw it...the sight goes: http://www.miaminewtimes.com (http://www.miaminewtimes.com)
Jenny
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ahah those mohak guys look really funny... :lol: :lol:
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Don't get me wrong..I dont always get insomnia... just since I met you guys!! nah just kidding!! ahahah :smile:
When were u in Elan Art?? How come no one will answer me about the gm's and ring? i asked and noone responded? just an anonymous user who jumped down my throat bc i wanted to know. I read that Elan doesnt do them anymore? is this true?...
Ginger- is the director of this sight? Did you create it? Were you in Elan? and if yes when?
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Jordan did u say u lived in Boston? Cause I may be flyin up there to chill next weekend at my cousins house in Brookline.
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On 2003-12-27 22:02:00, E7haterJe wrote:
Ginger- is the director of this sight? Did you create it? Were you in Elan? and if yes when?
Hey Jen. No, I wasn't in Elan. I was in another Synanon based program back in the early `80's (see sig) I just host the forums.
I've heard a couple of times that they stopped using the ring. Don't know if that's true or if it will last. I assume it probably has something to do with the bad publicity and other kinds of scrutiny.
Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth.
--Mohandas K. Gandhi
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was the place u were at like elan? how long ago has it been?
Oh by the way... Have u heard of this guy named Wes Farger or something? Is he a safe guy to talk to? He says his son was in the straights school in the 70's or 80's or something?
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Well, it was the same confrontational therapeutic community method, but a slightly different model. We didn't have anything like what you call house function. We had raps and GMs all day long, 12 hours a day and late into the night once or twice every week. Then we spent the nights in the homes of other clients further along in their programs.
I was there from Oct of `80 - Oct of `82, when I finally managed to split and stay split. Yeah I know Wes pretty well. I think he's pretty safe to talk to. His son was in for a couple of months in `90. Didn't take him too long to figure it out and he's been pretty damned pissed off ever since.
I am not a vegetarian because I love animals; I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.
-- A. Whitney Brown
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I clicked on that Anonymous thing, and was reading through...one of the clicks can be for a new thing called: 28dayz..it says something about straights eing talked about on WAMI, by a news paper? or news station? is that refferring to WAMI the TV station in Miami? If yes what did they do?
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I was reading up on diff sights when i first joined here...and i read all his, (well some) of his stuff he had up, so i wrote him an email only once, and he wrote back about his son, his sons being screwed up and really affected by the straights and how his daughter and whole family pretty much has suffered bc of the program, so i wrote him back asking more stuff, (as i am a question asker) and asked if he needed help writing or researching for his sight i would, that i had the time, (either i scared him away) or he hasnt gotten his mail...(I just thought of him after reading everything from your anonymous sight, so i sent him another email...saying it was fine if he wasnt intrested in me helping his sight out, but to stay in touch...blah bla...
btw i sent u also aprivate message
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On 2003-12-27 23:05:00, E7haterJe wrote:
"I clicked on that Anonymous thing, and was reading through...one of the clicks can be for a new thing called: 28dayz..it says something about straights eing talked about on WAMI, by a news paper? or news station? is that refferring to WAMI the TV station in Miami? If yes what did they do?
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Yeah, that's two 5 min news segments from WAMI on Maiami. They sent Alan Cohn to do an investigative report on SAFE, Inc. in Orlando. SAFE is what the renamed Straight, Orlando when the authorities came down too hard on them. It was just before the station changed hands, though. Did you have trouble playing the video? I think I have to dig up that tape and get it re-digitized w/ a newer codec.
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense
--Buddha
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Yup, got the private msg. I know where Wes is these days. Wes is in St. Pete, or on the way, to go meet with some lawyers about a possible class action against Straight or the state or something.
See: http://thestraights.com/legal/class-act ... cement.htm (http://thestraights.com/legal/class-action/announcement.htm)None of Nature's landscapes are ugly so long as they are wild.
-- John Muir
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Was anyone at Elan between the time 94-96, when at the talent show Matt Blickly from E7, preformed and sang the song by (I forgot the groups name)(but really good band I might say) song went something like: "Should I stay or should I go, dah dah dah dah , If go there will be trouble, if I stay it will be dah dah, should I stay or should I go?" some shit like that? and at the end of the song it goes "SPLIT"...lol...and like he got in tons of trouble from our house...he got GM, & shotdown...he said he didnt even think anything of it, he just sang i cause he liked it...
I remember him singing that... didn't know he got a GM for it. I used to sing a lot at those karaoke things. I hope it wasn't too painful! Even today, my wife tells me I can't sing.
I remember this kid from your house, his first name was Rob (don't know his last name) who could sing really well and used to do some Beatles tunes. He signed out. Good for him.
Was anyone in Elan for Bobby Joe's ring? She was in my house...E7...She had a 3 house Ring...
I thought she was nice a little butchey, but she was nice to me and never made a pass.
I remember that GM. Geez, what a day that was. I remember Janine Losey was in my house and used to always talk about beating Bobbi Jo in cross-country. It was like an obsession in our house to beat her.
I also remember the way Bobbi Jo used to get her feelings off... she looked like M.C. Hammer. No offense, Bobbi Jo, if you read this, because from what I hear, you've made a pretty respectable life for yourself.
Math was a joke at Elan. I took Algebra 2 three times because the math teacher told me (with a grin) that I had absolutely no chance of mastering calculus.
"Has anyone who left Elan on bad terms ever gone back to visit it? Or called to speak to a staff? If yes..what happened? What did they say to you? R u aloud to?"
I called Clare Woodman last year when I went to Maine to go whitewater rafting to see if I could visit Elan and talk to the kids. She never got back to me. I did call Marc Rosenberg at home a couple years ago and talked to him for about 20-25 minutes. He was courteous, though not particularly warm. I can understand that -- several years ago, I tried to get Elan shut down.
"Does anyone still use the Elan language? and if u dont but hear someone say something in Elan language, doesnt your eyes and teeth cringe by the sound!"
I make it a point to almost NEVER use that language and if I hear someone say "unaware," "disorganized," etc., I usually feel a flash of resentment. However, since I discovered the true definition of the word "dichotomy" (split between two opposite factions), I use the word occasionally because it's sophisticated. I used it a couple weeks ago in a letter to the editor of a newspaper.
"How many of you can wash the dishes SUPER FAST!!..."
I purposely wash dishes slow as hell and take forever in the shower because I can! And it's strange... for about two years after leaving, I REFUSED to drink Poland Spring water, which is the dominant brand around here."
"Everything, I do everyday, reminds me of Elan, ever since I joined this chat sight. Its like I think back on so many different thing, details that I made myself forget...i dont kno if its good or bad? maybe its theraputical i think? All I know is I got nightmares about Elan for a while! Dreams that I was trapped in Elan, or dreams that I went back to shw them I was the opposite person they said I was, to finish off the program, and then i would change my mind again and be like, wtf did i do, i want to get out, and id be trapped. crazy shit. i dont want those bad dreams again, but it seems weird that after all these yrs, i am now communicating daily with others who hated elan, sharing simular feelings, and thoughts. is this healthy? i mean i am sure it is wrong to make yourself forget bad things, dont therapists promote communication? and talking about things? to work through it become a stronger person?...i guess..?"
I've tried talking about Elan with a couple therapists. One helped me get over a lot of anger at the place, the other basically did nothing, but neither really grasped the meaning of what I was saying. They couldn't. Only someone who went through concept can. As far as communicating with others, I have learned many different things from people who had different Elan experiences. The unfortunate part is that so many people who went through Elan are often so judgemental of other people's views. That's one drawback of Elan -- they encouraged you to judge the hell out of each other based on various unprofessional opinions. It was a very unprofessional place at times.
Jordan, what's going on with the documentary? And E7haterje, who are you?
It's nice to be on this site without being insulted at every turn. I think I've worked out basically every difference on this site I've had with people, except for one guy who won't identify himself. If not, anybody wanna fight? LOL j/k
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I am not a vegetarian because I love animals; I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.
-- A. Whitney Brown
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Ginger,
It's cool to see you quoting A. Whitney Brown. I have known him for about 10 years. We live in the same town. I know his daughter Serena too, she's pretty cool.
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Really? Pete, I don't even know who that is. I saw the quote somewhere and just about pissed my pants laughing. So there we are. Please feel free to pass along any other of his jewels of wisdom for my collection.
Never let your sense of
morals get in the way of
doing what's right
--Isaac Asimov
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Whitney is a former feature performer on Saturday Night Live (remember the "Big Picture?") and used to be one of the cast members of the old "Daily Show" on Comedy Central that Craig Kilborn hosted. He is just as funny in real life.
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Wow..Peter very detailed message...you copy pasted everything i said...hmmm....who am i...seems sooo undercover or something about the way you ask?...I am Jenny...was in E7 in 94-12/96 split on my first home visit..had it plotted from shotdown, worked my way to shingle and pretended like a robot and "brought up for a home visit"... :smokin: :smokin:
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Who are you? Peter Moore? When were u in Elan? What house? I am unsure if I am confusing you with someone else..But I thought I read or heard somewhere that u are bad news? :eek: :eek:
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sweet another split kid. yo pete is cool just got hella harassed round here n other forums, but he is a good man.
SyN
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I signed in 4 times already! and it says i am not signed in?? i keep getting prompted to enter my passw :silly: :silly: ord? arg!!<--looks like my sweet mate last year!!haahha....anyways-so Pete is good ok... I remember there was a Peter Iranee in Elan when i first got there your not him r u? I am getting so frustrated with my AIM or whatever...I dont think it s working or something? When I signed off earlier like 13 were like bling bling bling all down my screen...I was like WTF? I got off topic didn't I...Okay...So Peter M. you were in Elan when again? How did u get out?> or did u get out another way?
Jordan- sorry man...don't know whats wrong with my AIM or MSN messenger...just email me. or drop me a private message or somethin? The web site...I dont know it was I think: Mr. Moe's, The White Party and the 93.1 concert, me with the Santa chick were the only ones from 93.1 party(ugh...i look so unenthusiastic I was soo bored!, the deftones concert ones havent been put up yet tot hat sight and those were the ones i was talking about... those r cool!
My Boston trip...I should, I hope to go in 1 week to Boston... I will visit some old friends I met in Great Barrington, that I met year ago and have remained in touch with who I met when I was in The John Dewey Academy. then I will go to Boston and maybe Vermont to visit my cousin. So u do not live in MA? Maybe I'll swing my Elan and get my feelings off for fun?? :razz: :razz:
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Ok now that I know your not like a "ken" or something...
I thought that, that was cute the way you copy pasted everything I asked, or commented on and responded! That was way cool! I dig that!
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Jenny,
I was in Elan from Oct. 19, 1993 until June 13, 1996, so yes, our times overlap. My sister Amanda was in your house from '95 to '98. I do remember Peter Irani, even though he was in a different house. I used to think he was nuts for staying past his 18th birthday, until I wound up doing the same thing to save my relationship with my parents (my mother kept crying on the phone until I agreed to stay). Funny, even though I wasn't going to be allowed to come home, I was going to leave anyway and stay in a homeless shelter if I had to. A homeless shelter was better than Elan. But I decided to stay. Back when houses were allowed to interact, I got along well with a few in your house: Jon Cotteril, Mitch Blasi, etc. I felt bad for you 7 kids... your house was the worst... courtesy of Tania Merette, a woman who belongs in a mental institution. Anyway, I eventually graduated, but turned against Elan and they threatened to sue me back in 2000 when I wrote an article for a newspaper detailing 1970s abuses. So since then, I've laid low and tried to preserve friendships with some of the people there I care about (Marc, Clare, etc.) even though I don't agree with a lot they have to say (and they know it). There's only a few at Elan whom I believe are genuine jerks (Marty, Tania) who take a genuine pleasure in degrading kids. Most of the rest seem just to be brainwashed automatons. A few seemed to think for themselves and care (Dave McVety, Marian Carney, Terri Volk, etc.) Mostly, I think us kids treated each other like crap dispensing amateur therapy under amateur eyes. I blame the staff for this -- they were entrusted with our care.
I'm glad you split and made it in the world. I hear you're participating in the documentary project. I'm going to help and try to write some chapters from the book, speaking from the first-person perspective of an angry kid. My language may be off-color, my humor somewhat evil, but I hope to weave together a compelling piece. I've been a journalist for the last five-plus years, but this is a totally different kind of medium. Maybe I'll send you the chapters as I work on it.
Take care,
Pete
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On 2003-12-29 21:40:00, E7haterJe wrote:
"Ok now that I know your not like a "ken" or something...
I thought that, that was cute the way you copy pasted everything I asked, or commented on and responded! That was way cool! I dig that!
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Thank you Jenny. There were a lot of questions, so you have to address each one individually.
And Syn, I appreciate the kind words. BTW, my wife and I bought gift wine for my mom in Oregon. We got a 2001 Pinot Noir for her. I wish I could move to Oregon sooner, it's my kind of state. But the economy out there just sucks.
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the economy is why i left pete. what was the vintage of the wine??
SyN
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hey anti- have u heard anything good tha might have come out of that meeting they had in fl?
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Hey Peter-
you knew the MitchellBlassi guy??? Do you ave his email? I would love to talk to him...He was cool....Who do you stay in touch with? From 7? Or emails do you have? Peter Irani..ahha...Funny...No comment...I wont say a thing..lol... Rob...which Rob did you know that sang good? Was he from Indiana? Matt Blickly by the way..I used to have a crush on..and your sister was in 7, did they call her Mandy?? If they did a couple of times in group if its her, they used to blame me for having "outside world conversations, or i think they used to call it"glamorizing" with her? If its the same one I thought she was cool, and when i was strngth we used to talk a lot...but i think they put us on a ban...??? Do you remember Wyatt Blair? He was there a long time? He was cool...and Iris Guzman was there a while too..she was SUPER cool...and laid back,,,and got out...(but i tink bc she was in elan before it got so robotic(atleast for 7) I wonder what she is doing I would LOVE to be able to talk to Iris...and also Jackie Pierro...they were my FAVORITE!!!...yu might remember Sara Perkins too..she graduated a while after i got there... Amy..too..she split like me off her 2nd home visit.. (well i split o first) ahaha oh shit..do you remember Teante williams? here was there too in the begining of my stay? Dallas Rhodes? u know who else i had a crush on..Richard Guttierez... ("he graduated" i never snitched...we had a few encounters together...) (i thought) would be shotdown material... and there was a guy from 3 or 8, i dont remember...i used to have a crush on! he was such a cutie! wow..memories...actually there were 2...i digged...oh well...now i can dig whomeever i want and not get in trouble for flirting! :nworthy: :grin:
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Nope, not a word yet, except that around 20 ppl showed up. The whole meeting is subject to atty/client privilege. So, naturally, ppl aren't going to say too much.
I will kick myself bloody if the lawyers come back in 3 months and say "Well, maybe if more people had shown up..."A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question
about it.
--GW Büsh, Business Week, July 30, 2001
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Cant your two sights arrange (just a thought) a world reunite in Flrida..(ill help ya?) get all the people that want to come together and hold a Huge conference? Spread the word? National Tv...radio...have a fair...talk about places like where u went and Elan and this place I heard of that was crazy too have you heard of a : Disisto? or Dasisto? Someone told me about it once at Elan? They went there said alot of fucked up shit about it?
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Actually, there have been 3 annual survivors' conferences so far. I met Matt in Bathesda at the first one in 2000.
Here are reports on the first two:
http://trebach.org/abuse/ (http://trebach.org/abuse/)
Here are reports on all three:
http://www.safetyintl.org/conference/ (http://www.safetyintl.org/conference/)
These have always been very serious, business-like affairs. But I'd love to have a much less formal kind of gathering one of these days.
How about this; there's a campground around here where hippies and musicians aften gather at certain times of year.
http://www.kindshows.com/ (http://www.kindshows.com/)
I haven't been there yet, but I've been dying to go since I found out about the place on the Daily Show (which I may never again see till the kids get tired of PS2)
I'd love to pick a weekend at a nice time of year and go hang out there. We could make a game of spotting other program vets based on little, idiosyncratic tendencies. :rofl:
Seriously, anyone else up for something like that? And for ppl who think a night in the woods of SW PA w/ a bunch of stoners is just a little too "Deliverance", there are hotels nearby w/ hot and cold running water, complimentary breakfast and all. The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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Jen I found you to be interesting and you are so right on god bless you and all of us who had the ............at elan hey happy new year all
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YEA!! that would be so nice...to get a huge group together, to meet up...it would nt let me open the sight to the campground? but there is a few near here...there is like 30 min from me this indian reservation, on Krome Ave and 8th street where the Phish Tour was...It was great..(for the few min I was able to stay WONT get in to that) Just say ok..lol.... But anyways...its a huge open space...nice to have a camping event...we could have in the day to the night...Very informal...just chill out...(yea...for thse who cant handle 1 night in the woods..theres lots of local hotel etc etc... We can plan it...everyone who wants to come can come with wifes, husbands whom ever just a chill get together...Or even it could be at a hotel so no strange people come out and cause trouble? We can all meet up like 1 weekend, and meet, talk, drink chill...I think it would be a neat thing...? We can hold a conference even ?> or elaborate on this sight? or create another sight? Take lots of pictures, write stuff? I dunno?
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who is Deebe44? Your were in Elan? When? What is your name? :question: :question:
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Hey now! I up and moved my family to a nice, central location so I wouldn't be all the way down in Florida.
Tell ya what. I have an old and neglected event calendar. I used it as a dev site for the PA Libertarian event calendar. We could use it to list events. I'll have to go in and fix whatever pretzel logic I was pawing at to try and encompas interest groups without any geographical reference. But it's fixable.
http://fornits.com/f_cal/ (http://fornits.com/f_cal/)
Then we could all list whatever cool events might be happening and just drop in.
I sort of like sticking to functions that hire bikers for security. They take NO shit, but are generally pretty fair minded about who gets the bumb's rush.
My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
-- Ashleigh Brilliant
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
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:nworthy: and I am not married and have no kids. My mom just had 2 kids a few years ago with a new man, so I am too busy helping her with them when I am on vacation like now, to think about being able to handle the responsibility of raising my own..(anyway I live in the dorms, 1 yr left) of my educational procrastination...
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On 2003-12-30 22:48:00, E7haterJe wrote:
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:nworthy: and I am not married and have no kids. My mom just had 2 kids a few years ago with a new man, so I am too busy helping her with them when I am on vacation like now, to think about being able to handle the responsibility of raising my own..(anyway I live in the dorms, 1 yr left) of my educational procrastination...
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The law in its majestic equality, forbids all men to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread - the rich as well as the poor
--Anatole France
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Hey Jenny,
I remember almost all of those names. I didn't know Rob's last name, I think it began with an "F." I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but according to a friend of mine who went to Elan 7, Richard Gutierrez died of a drug overdose several years ago. I don't know where Mitch is, last I heard, he was in the Army. He was a cool kid -- we went on a couple trips together and I was on his SP when he was in the corner at our house. My sister was not Mandy (you're thinking of Mandy Davis). She was Amanda Moore, adopted from Korea.
I remember most of the other names. Wyatt was a nice kid -- I felt sorry for him being stuck at Elan for what was then an abnormal amount of time. I remember Dallas kicking the crap out of this one kid in a 3-house ring and I remember Teante too -- he came to our house during a house trip when he was shotdown or something. I remember Jackie Pierro too, she was a coordinator who came to our house when I was coordinator of communications. Clare made us sit down and listen to her to show how a proper communications department functions and then made us all sign a thank-you note. I resisted the impulse to tell Clare what to do with her thank-you note.
The only person I keep in touch with from your house is Miluska Martinez and we haven't talked in awhile. She is really nice though. Oh yeah, you probably remember Matt Talbot. I am good friends with his younger brother Jon who was in my house. He was supposed to read Scripture at my wedding, but a family emergency stopped him from attending. And you probably remember Ian Perkins -- I was good friends with his sister Maya, although she never went to Elan.
Oh yeah, speaking of getting caught "playing games." When I started speaking out against Elan, I started dating grads as well. Elan used to say that those relationships didn't work. I was determined to prove them wrong and got involved with several graduates -- none of whom were in the house with me. Eventually, I married a non-Elan woman and it's better that way. But it was an interesting experience.
Happy New Year everyone!
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dallas and tiante were both at 3 before you guys got there, they paved the way for corruption in 3. They were the first to be fukn and bringing the house to one HUGE contract. 3 had to get rid of them cause they were the ring leaders. They were physicall and corrupt. So i gotta give them props for that. In 7 i dont know what they were like but i can imagine after what 3 years they just wanted to leave. Dallas did catch me n my friends mike z and brian when we split. elan 7 and 8 were on a trip or some shit and their van passed us. we were stoned and trying to hitch a ride out of state when the big white van screeched to a stop, we hauled ass track stars won end of that one. pete you were around for that one dont know if you were jenny??
SyN
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I remember all that Mike... it's a shame I didn't know you then.
Damn man, stoned off one joint passed three ways? Must have been some strong weed. LOL Or did you have more pot than you admitted?
I remember Teante in 3, I wasn't there for Dallas in 3. I remember that kid Mike Woldow got sent to 3 from 7. He was a nice kid -- I used to be EMBC with him. And I remember that Damon kid who got sent from 3 to 7. He would never get his feelings off. It's a shame he had to go back to Long Lane. Mike, do you know what happened to him?
3 seemed like a crazy house... kids swallowing glass, masturbating into bags and throwing it at each other, fucking like crazy, etc. Must have been fun, huh? ha ha
Mike, Jenny, everyone, have a good new year.
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Yea Miluska Martinez...She was the only one I used to stay or got in contact with becuse I dont remember how I got her info...but I got it some how...And we talked a lot years ago online, and on the phone. Her family lives in Miami. Real close to mine,.. She was one of my favorites in Elan, maybe bc she shared a drop of the drop of Spanish culture I have...(I am more American) but she was SUPER fun...Well anyways, we hung out 2 diff times together like 2 years ago? or something...She came to my house..When I was living with my dad. We went for a drive around the bock a couple of times...(if u know what i mean) and we talked a lot...Went shopping I think? We went to Old navy? ahaha....she cut her hair all off...She at the time had a nice boriend? and lots of cats..Lived out North in FL...somewhere.... But she and I were smoking ciggs, and more..and it was GREAT....to finally be free from Elan and chilling with a cool girl fro Elan, who wasnt pulling me up or getting her feelings off, and smoking with me...smiling and feeling good, she told me, Jenn u look good, u turned out alright..wow your diff from in Elan...something lie that...and i said the same to her...I sent her an email a couple days a go..actually..no response..and i have her number but in a phone book in a box, and i cant get in it till i unpack when i move back in to the dorms...Do u have it? I know her email..at aol. OH YEA!! and that was Mandy Davis..(u knew her)?
But yea I remember ur sis TOTALLY!! SHE HAD VANS SNEAKERS WHEN SHE CAME IN I THINK???EVENTUALLY OF COURSE THE TOUNGES WERE FLAPPING AROUND ALL OVER LIKE MY CONVERSE SNEAKERS WOULD!!! :cry2:
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You know , no I dont remember that one....But I do remember a big DEAL Elan 7 going on and on about how 2 buys from another house were caught...about how they split and were roaming peoples back yards? and how were all cut up? roaming for days? and robbed someones house? and hit guy up with gulfclub and shit? thats what they told us...really Tania M actually told us, that 2 guys or one guy had split from another house, and had been roaming for ever, going in to strangers houseas, robbing them, stealing there food this and that...
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wow all these faces...i cant believe i remember some...and how ihave pushed out others...and how i have forced myself to try to remember these others ones u bring up..Damon...yes he had real curly hair, like thick muscles in his legs, cute face i think? if its the same one, we were accused of coping feels..(but i would tell u) i really dont remember that one...(i do remember looking)....What did u say happened to him? and why? Dallas by the way was graduating like 4 weeks after i was a new resident...and i didnt like like him, i just thought he was real nice to me no matter what crazy shit i was doing, and i remember he had nice lips..hahaah :lol:
Teante i knew briefly..and i heard dallas was having sex with a girl i wont say her name in 7...but i dont know if anyof that is even true,. but after what u guys have been telling me about what has gone on in other houses...i wish i wished i was in one of the other houses...instead i was in milatary academy..ugh...anyways...whats done is done... right?
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Anti--thats sounds like a great idea..you know i was thinking why, what is so great about meting other elan survivors...even if some are married, have kids whatever...
if anyone is wondering like i did for a moment..this is what came out of my thoughts..
I have mentioned it briefly here on this site, how before i found this chat board, i was trying to explain and relieve myself this way or that way in counseling or with a friend about elan, most get real confused, and some dotn understand or just get real mad that places lke striahgts or elan exists...i still like to talk about elan to my friends and family here and there, what i can get from a friend or family member after talking about elan, is different from what i can get out of someone after telling them about how i felt here, or here in elan,,,,,whom also went to elan... others who went to elan, in my time, remember, met, people,..staff...know what a smell, a taste, a feeling exactlly was like... you
or atleast i have the desire to get to know all the people who r willing to, real selves outside elan,...why should care..? i dont know? i just do? its like wanting to meet your family tree? or wanting to know whos sperm u got to make your kid? or something related along those lines...its like if ur gonna be inmy towm...checkthis gettogether out, come chill out with us... peace amoungt all of us, and i promise not to yell or swear at you...u know? were all diff too...we are all special too.. and we are all not forced to sit in a group, and feel what they force us to feel... we are all free...to do and think and say what we want you know...makes everything sooo different...
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it was a BIG ASS BLUNT and it lasted 2 days due to lack of tolerance. Mandy from 3 jenny?? if thats who your talking about then yeah she was an awesome girl, and a good friend of mine. She helped me out alot when my mom died, we had a good connection.
SyN
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Mandy from 3 who played cross country? i knew who she was...but no thats not who i am talking about mandy davis..from 7
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my late thought for tonight...
is this....
how do you think...anyone feel free to answer....
How do you, recommend I should go about telling my mom, that I think her boyfriend, is a pervert? I want to tell my mom, that I feeluncomfortable round him, because I swear he checks me out, by the way he looks at me, I swear i see him looking me up and down, when I walk away, or into the room. I swear I feel like he is trying "to cop feels", the maid that comes in the day-said she doesnt feel comfortable bending over when hes around & she doesnt like to be alone, when he is around, our friend and neighbor even said she feels like when he hugs her hello-that it seems he tries to cop her big breasts a feel (those 2 i cant tell my mom-bc they r bussiness people who shared this with me, i cant reveal to her we communicate on that level, I can only use it to help me better make my decision of approuchal. I swear I feel like he is the kind of man, that If you ever gave him the impression, that you might hook up with him, he would totally go for it...I hate it..cause I love my mom alot, and I dont want her to be unhappy ,and alone, but I hate it too...(and my sister is 3, and what if he is a pervert...he could be hazerdous...!! :eek:
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I imagine that you want to say something to your mom so she'll take care of the situation. It will probably be difficult for her to see this if she feels dependent on the relationship, and could very cause alienation if you pressure her to see and act on it prematurely.
I'd say, leave mom out of it and address it with him directly. Like, "I resent (am concerned, whatever is the truth) the way you survey women's bodies. It causes me think you could be a perpetrator. If you're not, then stop the behavior now. You're making the other women in this household uncomfortable."
He might be a "pervert", and then he may have just developed a bad habit which no one has ever pointed out to him. Many times this is the case. If you address it and then point it out everytime you notice it, perhaps you'll see a change. If he does have some issues, he's probably not going to stick around long after you call him out on it. Perpetrators don't deal with confrontation, they move on to the next "unaware" victim.
I think it's important that you let him know that you aren't a victim and don't appreciate him surveying your body. If you can't advocate for yourself in this matter, explore why that might be, resolve it, and then go do it. Go girl!!!
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The maid$$$$ You went to elan right? confront your fears say something just do it!
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Leaving your co-workers out of it, I would still tell your mom. Even if she blows you off at first, she won't be able to stop thinking about it and eventually, if it's true, she'll see it for herself.
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See, I'd just wait till I was alone with the guy and tell him straight up "Hey buddy! You wanna unglue your eyes from my ass? Or do you need a little help?" Let him know he's busted.
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard was not what I meant.
---Richard Nixon
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ahah...you know..ginger, when I think about how I will go about it, I feel like telling him, exactlly how you put it, but when I think about how my mom will get towards me, if i put him out there, she would be completly baffled by me humiliating, him like that...I will be moving the dorms in 3 days if they let me move in early, and 10 if not..as soon as it becomes like 3 days before move in, i am going to eaither write a note or personally talk to my mom,,,i guess..i feel like i know what i might get if i tell him myself...
the open eyes...no way! i dont look at you like that..
or...what,,,not your like 40 yrs younger than me...
or no, i love your mom....
i dontwant to deal with the bullshit...
Peter is right...my mom is NO fool! If i tell her, put him out there...she totally will be more AWARE...shell have a 3rd eye open, she knows i amno dummy..and havent complained about him..
if i had been like, i hate him bc of this or thAT all this time, to then say i think hes checking me out, then my mom might think, i was searching for things to down size him..
but...since i have NEVER complained about anything, and then now i bring something out like this, i think shell totally re-think, re analyze the situation...
THANK ALL... :nworthy: :nworthy:
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oh and one more thing..i dont want to be there when she confronts him, it wil make me feel real UNCOMFORTABLE..on the spot..he does this REALLY annoying thing..with his eyes..like you can read what hes thinking, past his innocent expressions...i just DONT want him to look at me like that, AFTER my mom confronts him, and if she does in front of me..if i tell my mom now too..i have to be around while he is hanging out at our house, he is a teacher, so he has been on school break and staying at our home for 2 weeks..(but he doesnt live here)...so i dont want to have to see him around YOU KNOW..if my mom tells him..he will eaither IMATURLY dodge me..or SNEAR at me with his eyes, like i cant believe you, you bitch..
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i have been posting all this time,,,like 10 posts, in diff topics and just realized my log didnt show up oh well..
Jenny