FDA Cautions on Antidepressants and Youth
Doctors Warned About Potentially Higher Suicide Risk for Those Under 18 on the Drugs
By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 28, 2003; Page A02
Concerned about studies that showed antidepressants may be leading some adolescents and children to suicidal activity, the Food and Drug Administration issued a public health advisory yesterday telling doctors to be especially careful in prescribing the drugs.
Full Text: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... Found=true (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A26473-2003Oct27¬Found=true)
Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppression of both mind and body will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day
Thomas Jefferson
The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled.
-- Plutarch
We need cops.
We can't live without 'em.
But they need to start working for us....
That's no longer an option.
They've pushed it.
They've gone to far.
They've just gone to far.
Tom Crosslin
May 12-13: Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp. August 7: Began to separate the Male from the Female at Do - rather too late.
George Washington (Diary)
On 2003-11-20 13:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Mental illness is actually an inability to deal with horrific emotions that we didn't deal with in childhood. Think about it. Psychotherapy and guidance through dealing with and integrating those emotions into your psyche. ANY psychotropic medication is going to screw up your brain really bad. We are a world on the verge of mass chaos. How did we ever think our bodies and minds could be this defective"
On 2003-11-20 18:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What will this girl's brain be like in 5 years, when she is 12? 10 years when she is 22? Doesn't it bother you that there are no long term studies on the use of these drugs on children? Your daughter is NOT a guinea pig!!!
:eek: "
On 2003-11-20 20:46:00, Deborah wrote:
"When the disease is debilitating enough, the benefits outweigh the risks. ***********
Sounds much like the justification for abusing kids in BM facilities, particularly wilderness programs... afterall, they are just different branches of the same fraudulent industry.
*************
Especially since the disease itself is known to cause progressive brain damage.*************
Are you refering to "depression" causing progressive brain damage? Any links to the research findings for that?"
On 2003-11-20 20:41:00, Deborah wrote:
"Many of the previous posts originated from this link which has a great stash of information:
http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/side-effects.htm (http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/side-effects.htm)
More on Utah and Antidepressants
http://www.drugawareness.org/Archives/M ... xtgen.html (http://www.drugawareness.org/Archives/Miscellaneous/MRnextgen.html)
Excerpts:
There are presently a million children ages 6 - 18 on these drugs.
Perhaps because of Utah's high use of these medications for several years, we could stand as a test laboratory for the FDA and spare others the agony of serving as guinea pigs. Since the release of these drugs on the market Utah has held the title of the "Prozac Capital" of the nation. Along with that we have had drastic increases in: suicide, unwed pregnancies, domestic violence, manic-depression, MS, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, hypoglycemia, diabetes, bankruptcies, and our divorce rate is now higher than the national average. Patients report all of these as side effects of these drugs and there is overwhelming scientific evidence spanning over three decades to support those reports. Our teen suicide rate coincides perfectly with our use of mind altering prescription medications - Utah's teen suicide rate is three times the national average while our use of these drugs is also three times the national average.
Just last week in Salt Lake I interviewed a school teacher who attempted to hire students to kill her principal while on Prozac. Then a 14 year old girl, now off Paxil, through tears confessed to her mother that, although she did not know why, while on the drug she attempted to hire someone to kill her mother. Larramie Huntzinger, under the influence of SSRIs, blacked out and ran his car into three young girls killing two. Last summer a 13 year old boy on Prozac put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger. The same month another 13 year old boy on Zoloft only six days hung himself. An 18 year old model student and LDS seminary president on Paxil for four days shocked his loved ones by shooting himself. And a 16 year old on Prozac 2 weeks hung himself. How many more have done the same over the last ten years? How long will it take us to count the dead and dying children in Utah alone?
"
A good head and good heart are always a formidable combination. But when you add to that a literate tongue or pen, then you have something very special
--Nelson Mandela
On 2003-11-21 05:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Of course you are not going to believe that mental illness is caused from repressed horrible emotions. Of course you don't believe we operate mostly from unconscious motives. That we really don't know who we are. The father of Psychiatry "Freud" believed this, but its just to simple. 80% of people have a neurosis. We don't know as humans how to be conscious,guiding, use common sense, intuition. We don't know what we are doing to our children. Maybe if just one person can get anything out of this and say hmmmmm, but no, the majority as they vilify Freud won't. "
On 2003-11-20 22:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Mom Anon - What other options, short of giving a 7 year old powerful, mind-altering drugs, are available to treat bi-polar in pediatric patients?
Second, has anyone checked out the http://www.conductdisorders.com (http://www.conductdisorders.com) website? How many of these parents are drugging their kids as the answer to controlling unwanted behavior at home, in school or the community? Far too many, IMHO, thanks in large part to special interest groups like C.H.A.D.D. Public Enemy #1.
"
On 2003-11-21 06:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger---if any of that sounded like it was directed at you, it wasn't. You are showing your usual very good sense, IMO."
The function of the press is very high. It is almost holy. It ought to
serve as a forum for the people, through which the people may know freely what is going on. To misstate or suppress the news is a breach of trust.
--Mr. Justice Brandeis
Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.
--Rep. Robert L. Henry, TX December 22, 1914 (quoting Lincoln)
On 2003-11-21 07:50:00, Deborah wrote:
"Letter to the Editor re Andrea Yates:
How shocked and troubled we all are at the June 20th killing of her five children by Houston's Andrea Yates. We struggle to make sense of such
horrible tragedy, and we read reporters' attempts to do the same. I do not know this woman or her situation, and I have no easy answers. But as a psychologist, I have observed a pattern emergent in the large majority of these incidents of so-called senseless violence. Many others and I are
convinced that this pattern reveals a key factor that has been largely missed or ignored by the press. First, four indisputable facts:
!) There has been a dramatic increase in the use of psychiatric drugs in the last 20 years.
2) Research has clearly documented the connection between violence and suicide and psychiatric drugs. This connection is especially strong for
drugs intended to raise serotonin levels such as the family of antidepressants called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), such as Prozac, Paxil, Seroxat and Luvox, as well as for newer antidepressants like Effexor and many others.
3) A high percentage of the perpetrators of violent killings, both suicidal and homicidal, in the last 15 years committed their awful acts under the direct effects of mind-altering psychotropic drugs, legally prescribed by their doctors for depression or other alleged "mental
illnesses."
Andrea Yates is the latest in a long line of tragedies in which psychiatric drugs are implicated. The courts are even beginning to
take action; witness the recent $8 million settlement against the makers of Paxil awarded to the family of Donald Schell, a Wyoming man who killed his wife, daughter, granddaughter and himself while under the influence of that drug.
Texans For Safe Education, a citizens group of which I am founding director, is expressly concerned with the ever-increasing role of psychiatry in the schools, has school violence as one of its main concerns. We have witnessed this link in most of the recent cases of dramatic school shootings; examples just since 1998 are Kip Kinkel in Oregon, Eric Harris in Colorado, Steven Abrams in California, and most recently, Jason Hoffman in California.
4) These drugs are dangerous for many reasons. Ann Tracy systematically details these dangers, of these drugs. To provide just one example, in a
1999 addendum to her book, Prozac: Panacea or Pandora, she reports that the latest FDA figures show Prozac has about 44,000 adverse reports,
including 2500 deaths with the large majority of them linked to suicide or violence.
Here is a quick course in how these drugs can cause such ugly violence.
1) Humans are made with a built-in fight or flight response, triggered by release of cortisol. These so-called antidepressants trigger a release of cortisol, and it becomes a matter of time before a parasympathetic (or shutting down of arousal for recovery purposes) response kicks in. If such a compensatory response is not allowed, we will inevitably experience system/organ exhaustion and breakdown. The overall hell state of agitation that goes with fight or flight, toxicity and depletion leads
to hopelessness and desperation
Blocking uptake of 5ht serotonin, the molecule affected by these drugs, actually decreases metabolized serotonin, creating the very deficiency supposedly treated. Everybody responds differently according to their unique physiological pattern, but it is bound to be a mess sooner or later. Disruption of sleep, and rapid eye movement (REM) activity in
particular, is a major contributor to this.
The effects of these drugs is like LSD in the sense that it messes with these central nervous system neurotransmitters, and that creates the
altered states of consciousness in which inner or outer visions are confused with "objective" reality. Psychiatry calls this hallucination
and psychosis. Acted out, society calls it murder or suicide.
Why is this information suppressed by psychiatry and the drug manufacturers? That has to do with money, greed, and power.
John Breeding, PhD
Psychologist and Director,
Texans For Safe Education
2503 Douglas St.
Austin. TX 78741
(512) 326-8326
"
On 2003-11-21 08:53:00, Antigen wrote:
"Quote
On 2003-11-21 06:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger---if any of that sounded like it was directed at you, it wasn't. You are showing your usual very good sense, IMO."
Well thank you. No, I didn't think any of it was. I just think ya'll are fighting eachother needlessly. You're all right. Nobody's wrong here.The function of the press is very high. It is almost holy. It ought to
serve as a forum for the people, through which the people may know freely what is going on. To misstate or suppress the news is a breach of trust.
--Mr. Justice Brandeis
"
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those that torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C.S. Lewis, God In The Dock
I just dispute the seeming allegation that SSRI's are bad chemicals that are *never* medically appropriate.
Then there was an anon post or two questioning the wisdom of using SSRIs on small children. I have to admit it's worrisome to me too. There are plenty of parents (I've known and wanted badly to pimp slap a few) who do jump at every new trend in psyche drugs first before even considering that the kid might just have a high strung, pensive or otherwise unusual personality or that, horrors!, the kid might be the only sane member of the family. Based on what you've said, I don't think you're one of those. But there are a lot of them out there.
The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.
--John Gilmour
On 2003-11-21 05:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
Of course you are not going to believe that mental illness is caused from repressed horrible emotions.
When I started as a federal narcotics agent, the budget that we were working with, it was less than $5 million a year, and there was only 125 agents for the entire world to work the narcotic trade that we were fighting in those days. Times have changed. The gluttony has grown.
--Nick Navarro, former Broward, FL Sherrif
Anon Mom(right?)
Please, please, please----if you are reading these threads and you are on psychiatric medication and for whatever reason decide you want to go off of it: CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR! If you're really determined to go off your medication, your doctor will help you even if he/she thinks you should stay on it. Your doctor will help you stop that medication gradually and SAFELY!
Stopping any psychiatric medication suddenly can trigger serious and potentially life-threatening side effects.
Don't just throw your medication away based on something you read on the internet.
SEE YOUR DOCTOR.
The newspaper articles are what really put the nail in the coffin for the local program.
--Claude Greene, Seed spokesman, speaking of the closing of the St Pete Seed, 10/7
Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize an undercover dictatorship. To restrict the art of healing to one class of men, and deny equal privilege to others, will be to constitute the Bastille of medical science. All such laws are un-American and despotic, and have no place in a Republic. The Constitution of this Republic should make special privilege for medical freedom as well as religious freedom.
--Abridged quote-Benjamin Rush, M.D., a signer of the Declaration of Independence
May 12-13: Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp. August 7: Began to separate the Male from the Female at Do - rather too late.
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
On 2003-11-22 09:30:00, Antigen wrote:
"QuoteAnon Mom(right?)
Please, please, please----if you are reading these threads and you are on psychiatric medication and for whatever reason decide you want to go off of it: CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR! If you're really determined to go off your medication, your doctor will help you even if he/she thinks you should stay on it. Your doctor will help you stop that medication gradually and SAFELY!
Stopping any psychiatric medication suddenly can trigger serious and potentially life-threatening side effects.
Don't just throw your medication away based on something you read on the internet.
SEE YOUR DOCTOR.
Absolutely. Not only that, but read for yourself. Most doctors really don't know all that much about the medications they presecribe. They can't. They're very busy people who often don't have adequate time in their lives for their families and rarely find time to keep up with the latest research and litterature.
Here's an anectdote. My husband had Burgers' Disease when he was young. It's typically something you see in the elderly. So the prognosis is usually poor and, therefore, heroic intervention more acceptable than in better known, more treatable conditions.
So this hot-shot nephrologist prescribed massive doses, like 6 grams (not mg, not a typo) every other day of Prednizone. We asked him about side effects, he recomended he drink half a bottle of Malox before taking his dose because the stuff is hard on your stomach, but no other serious side effects were likely. Some weeks later, my husband was having horrible homocidal dreams at night.
Then, one day, he's sitting on the couch rocking back and forth, staring hard at a neighbor who was working on a car. I asked him what was up, he said "I want to kill Pete." What???
So THEN I went down to the drug store and asked to borrow the pharmacist's PDR. Turns out, the doctor was either banefully incompetent or he lied outright. There was a page and a half of serious side effects, including induction of psychosis. And that was at NORMAL dose, somewhere around 25mg or less per day.
He did throw the stuff away cold turkey. It would have been nice if we could have just gone to the doctor and gotten help. But they guy had lied to us about this drug already and, at that point, my husband was more afraid of doctors than the disease.
You have to do your own homework. Professionals in any field can be helpful. But we can't go along blithely trusting in the pros to make all of our decisions for us. In the end, our health is our own responsibility.The newspaper articles are what really put the nail in the coffin for the local program.
--Claude Greene, Seed spokesman, speaking of the closing of the St Pete Seed, 10/7
"
On 2003-11-23 05:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Mainstream opinion is what is doing you in. Reminds me , if everyone jumped off a cliff, would you do the same. Explain why people on antidepressants have to keep increasing the dose to ward off the symptoms. Maybe the body is saying, no, you are going to feel these horrific emotions, fear and remember where they came from. No its not for the faint of heart. Psychoanalysis though, if you read about it, is a fabulous way of learning to deal with your thoughts. And no, people on drugs should not immediately stop, I weaned myself off after several months with they help of my therapist."
No laws, however stringent, can make the idle industrious, the thriftless provident, or the drunken sober
--Samuel Stiles
On 2003-11-23 19:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
That's how we did our literature searches in college for our research projects. If you haven't had a course in psychological statistics, psychologial testing, and the college freshman introductory series of psychology courses, it's likely to be Greek to you, so expect it to be hard going wading through it.
What kind of humanism expresses its reluctance to sacrifice military casualties by devastating the civilian economy of its adversary for decades to come?
Henry Kissinger
It's a common thread. Is the kid defficient in his ability to pay attention? Or are the teacher and curriculum just mind numbingly boring? Is the kid afflicted because she's sad? Or is she living in a sad world? Is the kid learning disabled? Or has he just got better things to do with his mind than what somebody else has in mind for him?
I think the vast majority of what we call mental illness is nothing but scapegoating the victim. Cause that's just how people tend to behave, given the power over others to do so.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use
--Galileo Galilei
Deborah
We shouldn't have to research the researchers to ferret out any possible agendas. At the very least, they should be required to disclose personal information, as should those who fund the research.
Research can in fact do as much harm as good. Take it with a grain of salt.
A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace.
James Madison, The Federalist No. 46
On 2003-11-24 04:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No, you definately do not understand psychoanalysis. People on antidepressants do have to keep increasing the doses, its a fact. Someday you will too. I advise you to really read about psychoanalysis before you make your mainstream opinions. It is used as a way to learn about how the mind works. I will never have to be hospitalized again. Can you say that with conviction? cognitive and behavioral therapy are small parts of psychoanalysis. Telling someone their thoughts are wrong is not the same as figuring it out yourself and changing. Yes, a behavior can be changed but what caused the behavior in the first place? Long standing psychological problems take years to really be understood by the person. It is an investment in their life. A life that is not just survived but thrived. Knowing who you are and why you think and live the way you do is a phenomenal gift of psychoanalysis. Freud, by the way did not just analyze women.
You sound like you would do well as a counselor in one of these programs. "
On 2003-11-24 09:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
I don't do, and wouldn't do, "program" counseling because I don't think unlicensed counselors have any business mucking up with the brain of someone who allegedly is so seriously fucked up that it justified institutionalizing them. If they're *genuinely* fucked up enough to be involuntarily institutionalized, then they're fucked up enough to merit having their therapy and treatment done by *licensed professionals*.
Those are clear signs of a scam. Those positions are mutually contradictory, and what they both have in common is they get the program more money.
Clinical studies of psychoanalysis have demonstrated pretty conclusively that it is no more effective than a placebo. Stay a true believer if you want, it's crap, and that's all I have to say about it---but you're welcome to have the last word."
Being a street cop, witnessing the tragedy firsthand, I've become
convinced that drug prohibition -- not drugs themselves -- are driving the HIV epidemic and the systemic crime that has swamped our criminal justice systems.
--Vancouver Police Const. Gil Puder
On 2003-11-23 20:35:00, Antigen wrote:
"Quote
On 2003-11-23 19:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
That's how we did our literature searches in college for our research projects. If you haven't had a course in psychological statistics, psychologial testing, and the college freshman introductory series of psychology courses, it's likely to be Greek to you, so expect it to be hard going wading through it.
Ah yes! The sacred science. The seer stones of the loaded language. You must approach the inner sanctum of knowledge and understaning either through an enlightened cleric or by way of years of sacrifice and dedication. You may not simply think and understand for yourself.
Please! :roll:
Where's the causual effect? We know, for example, that people who are grieving the loss of a loved one or some other tragedy completely outside of the influence of either genetics or biological disease or injury will also test out low on serotonin (unless, of course, it's a traditional Rastafarian or Arcadian wake). And PET scans on avid football fans at touchdown will show the same rapid pattern differences as in a clinically manic or depressed patient.
Where's the evidence to support a causative effect?
In laymen's terms:
A wet sidewalk
Don't really bring the rain
And the rooster's crow
Won't bring out the Sun again
Do you see how you might be falling for Program style slight of mind? Whenever I see a policy or sales advocate with a PET scan, I'm reminded of a Partnership for a Drug Free America ad that got pulled from circulation not long after NORML forced a peer review and subsiquent suit against the government agency that provided funding for it.
They held up two brain scans; one all bright and cheery yellows, oranges and reds and the other a dark hole with a little blue and grey. The healthy brain, they said, was drug free while the dead looking one was that of a pot smoker. Technically, it was. However, they neglected to mention that the pot smoker had been in a coma at the time of the test, having been hit by a truck.
I wish I could have your faith that most professionals are trustworthy and above deceptive marketing and politicing. But I'd have to discard out of hand a whole lot of my own experiences and observations about how human beings operate in order to accept that basic premis.
Is there such a thing as inherited and/or biological brain disease? I'm positive of it. Not so sure modern science has any concept of where to draw the line between individuality and dysfunction. But I'm sure there are people with poorly functioning brains due to heredity and injury.
But is most, or even quite a lot, of what we now call mental illness organic in origin? I doubt it very seriously. If it is, it's got the most peculiar means of propagation ever. It seems to selectively afflict the socially weaker in any human relationship, regardless of any other factors.
It's a common thread. Is the kid defficient in his ability to pay attention? Or are the teacher and curriculum just mind numbingly boring? Is the kid afflicted because she's sad? Or is she living in a sad world? Is the kid learning disabled? Or has he just got better things to do with his mind than what somebody else has in mind for him?
I think the vast majority of what we call mental illness is nothing but scapegoating the victim. Cause that's just how people tend to behave, given the power over others to do so.What kind of humanism expresses its reluctance to sacrifice military casualties by devastating the civilian economy of its adversary for decades to come?
Henry Kissinger
"
On 2003-11-24 16:15:00, Deborah wrote:
"http://www.drugawareness.org/Archives/1stQtr_2001/010699Prozac.html
Psychiatric Association to investigate Brown University
PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) - The American Psychiatric Association plans to investigate a report that the head of Brown University's psychiatric
department failed to disclose more than $500,000 in consulting fees, most from pharmaceutical companies whose health benefits he praised in journals and at conferences.
Dr. Martin Keller, a noted researcher on depression, could be banned from APA-sponsored conferences if he did not follow the group's policies for financial disclosures, association spokeswoman Lynn Writsel said Wednesday.
The Globe reported that Keller received consulting fees from companies such as Pfizer Inc., Bristol-Myers Squibb, Wyeth-Ayerst, and Eli Lilly - all of which market antidepressants he praised in a series of medical research reports.
The school said Keller followed the school's rules to the letter. It requires annual conflict-of-interest reports for researchers who make more
than $10,000 or 10 percent in equity. The reports are reviewed by a misconduct committee and the dean of the graduate school.
"The fundamental basis of scientific research is that there is an open and honest presentation of the data that is not cooked, not slanted," Sasich
said.
"
On 2003-11-24 17:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
On 2003-11-24 16:15:00, Deborah wrote:
You can come up with all the anecdotes in the world of bad whores, or bad cops, or bad soldiers, or bad scientists, but that methodology of yours will *never* prove that *all* whores, cops, soldiers, or scientists are bad at their jobs.
The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.
-- John Adams, (1772)
Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die
-- Malachy McCourt
G: "If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do?"
EB: "Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area."
-- Somewhere in No Man's Land, BA4
On 2004-07-06 12:29:00, Deborah wrote:Wow! This, I did not know! Here's the part of the story I have heard. Back in the late `70's, early `80's, methamphetamine was a favorite, easily accessed drug for graduate students cramming for exams as well as cross country truck drivers. Physicians were concerned about the side effects they were seeing in patients and that was the primary reason for rescheduling that class of stimulant drugs.
In 1970, alarmed by the fact that almost 200,000 American children were taking stimulant drugs, the U.S. Congress convened a special hearing on the issue. Despite the fact that these hearings resulted in the stimulant drugs being classified as Schedule 2 controlled substances by the Drug Enforcement Administration because of their high addictive potential and risk of abuse, rates of administration to our children soared during the last 30 years.
Today, an estimated 6 million children are being prescribed stimulants and millions more are taking other psychotropic drugs such as the
antidepressants Zoloft and Paxil and the antipsychotics Thorazine and Zyprexa.
A drug is neither moral nor immoral - it's a chemical compound. The compound itself is not a menace to society until a human being treats it as if consumption bestowed a temporary license to act like an asshole.
--Frank Zappa
I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure.
--Clarence Darrow
On 2004-08-19 10:16:00, mom2three wrote:
"The problem with medicating is that people think that it stops with the swallowing of a pill. Without proper therapy, there isn't much point in taking the medications in my humble opinion.
I too have a long family history with depression and have had treatment with medication and understand the role it can play. But it does not end with that, I have worked hard to rise above it. I am not currently on medication and haven't been for some time.
When I was younger my parents did not understand depression and it was hell on all of us. No doubt they did not understand what was wrong with me and they handled things the only way they knew how to.
Once I was an adult, I began treatment with a self administered "behavior modification" program with the assistance of a liscensed therapist that taught me about changing my thought processes. It helped me to really work through my illness and gave me confidence that I was still in control.
THe SSRI helped with the biochemical aspect, the behavior modification helped me to learn to live with it and work with it. I sure wish these tools had been made available when I was a teenager, it may have made a difference then for all of us.
"
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.
Tacitus, Roman senator and historian (A.D. c.56- c.115)
Also, the subgroup of depressives with low serotonin in their spinal fluids were more likely to complete suicide, and more likely to choose a violent (knife, gun)--and therefore highly likely to actually be fatal---method than normal serotonin depressive patients. Normal serotonin depressive patients were just as likely to have attempted suicide, but they chose methods (like pills) that had low rates of suicide completion (actual death).
And as someone who has mourned while on antidepressants, trust me, they don't take away the pain. Those of my siblings who were on meds at funeral were indistinguishable by med status from those who were off.
| Hemp Seed Oil Fatty Acid Analysis | |
| Saturated Fatty Acids | in % of total fatty acids |
| Palmitic acid (16:0) Margaric acid (17:0) Stearic acid (18:0) Arachidic acid (20:0) Behenic acid (22:0) Lignoceric (24:0) | 6.50% 0.03% 2.50% 0.40% 0.20% 0.06% |
| Total saturated fatty acids | 9.7% |
| Unsaturated fatty acids | in % of total fatty acids |
| Palmitoleic (16:1) Oleic acid (18:1 omega-9) Linoleic acid (18:2 omega-6) gamma-Linolenic acid (18:3 omega-6) alpha-Linolenic acid (18:3 omega-3) Stearidonic acid (18:4 omega-3) Eicosaenoic acid (20:1) | 0.12% 10.50% 55.20% 3.10% 20.00% 1.20% 0.50% |
| Total unsaturated fatty acids | 90.20% |
| Chemical Analysis | |
| Vitamin E | 100-150 mg/100g (mostly gamma-tocopherol) 13-20 IU/100g (as alpha-tocopherol equivalents) |
| Chlorophyll THC content Specific gravity Iodine value Peroxide value Free Fatty Acids Phosphatides Smoke Point Melting Point Cholesterol | 50-20 ppm None Detected 0.92 kg/l 110 0.3 meg/kg 1.50% (as oleic acid) 100-400 ppm 330 °F (165 °C) 18 °F (-8 °C) none |
| Note: 1 ppm (part per million) = 1 mg/kg = 1 mcg/g | |
To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
As men's prayers are a disease of the will, so are their creeds a disease of the intellect.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, poet, philosopher
The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us, and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic.
--Charles Robert Darwin, English naturalist
On 2005-05-20 10:55:00, Timoclea wrote:
When the safety rules for using them are not followed, they're every bit as dangerous as a chainsaw in the hands of a 25 year old man with the mind of a six year old.
The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Why does it work?"
The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How does it work?"
The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How much will it cost?"
The graduate with a Liberal Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?"
--Anonymous
On 2005-06-09 12:21:00, Deborah wrote:
"***Yeah, Prozac made her do it---twice. It reached right back in time and made her do it a couple of years before she was on it. What a nasty unnatural evil *chemical*.
Tim,
Are you following this thread or just dropping in to share your assumptions? Either way, you missed an important piece- quoted from the original article:
The depression started in 1996 after Hall's father died, Campbell told jurors. She sought help from a psychiatrist, who prescribed, in succession, high doses of the antidepressants Luvox, Lexapro and Zoloft. Hall's husband,
Jimmy, testified that after his wife started taking Zoloft on Feb. 3, 2004, she began sleeping during the day and cleaning the house in manic bursts in the middle of the night.
A violent person, drug induced mania? Either way, so much for the efficacy of the drugs and 'less is better' treatment model and 'being monitored closely by a pdoc".
That's all good, truth is, it ain't happenin' for the average Joe- people who didn't become psychology graduates in search of an explanation for their mental state and formulate good questions for their doctors and monitor their own symptoms.
"
On 2005-06-15 21:01:00, Deborah wrote:
"Safe Harbor's final response....
I am not interested in any further anti-religious or antagonistic rhetoric. As you know, it is nonproductive. It also indicates to me that the person degrading others has something to hide. Care to come clean, Paul?
Wendy Bolt
SAFE HARBOR
On 2005-06-24 22:05:00, Deborah wrote:
"http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?DR_ID=30911
AMA Declines To Support Ban on DTC Prescription Drug Ads, Pending StudyQuote
OK, I went to the link. I think everyone should read the whole article. This is an example of where just posting a link, then making a comment can create innacuracies.
First, I don't think Deborah read the article because there is another issue in there that she
would have really been upset about.
Second, it turns out that the delay in the final vote on the ban recommendation by the AMA is that
their sub-committee had a legal question of a first ammendment nature.
I say, let them figure it out, then check out their rationale. Or hey, at least tell the readers in your post Deborah, what the stated reason was!
Regarding your referral to the article and posting
a list of questions send by ablechild.org. I couldn't find those questions on their website, nor what was the official reason for doing so.
Could you post your source for those questions?
Thank you!
Paul
Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys
--P.J. O'Rourke
You might find what you're looking for here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#107818 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10271&forum=9&start=10#107818)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#107866 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10271&forum=9&start=10#107866)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 190#108674 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3515&forum=9&start=190#108674)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =50#112761 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10408&forum=22&start=50#112761)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =50#112882 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10408&forum=22&start=50#112882)
And a few on my opinion of organized religion/psychiatry in general. The first is my favorite on the ills of the two:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#65038 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=6961&forum=9&start=0#65038)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#65238 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=6976&forum=9&start=0#65238)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =100#83921 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2826&forum=9&start=100#83921)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=10#22685 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3216&forum=9&start=10#22685)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#17791 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2825&forum=9&start=0#17791)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#20284 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3017&forum=9&start=0#20284)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=10#20372 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3017&forum=9&start=10#20372)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#32874 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=4154&forum=9&start=30#32874)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#45444 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5173&forum=32&start=0#45444)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#47152 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5242&forum=9&start=30#47152)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=40#56172 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3310&forum=9&start=40#56172)
"
On 2005-06-27 17:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
I've met people with the needs for meds (voices, hallucinations, etc) but I still can't believe they admit they haven't scientifcally proven the 'chemical imbalance' theory.
On 2005-06-27 17:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
I thought for sure he would portray Cruise an idiot, and talk about how wonderful medications are.
On 2005-06-27 19:36:00, Deborah wrote:
"Neurologist Dr. Fred Baughman http://www.adhdfraud.com/ (http://www.adhdfraud.com/) weighs in:
On 2005-06-27 17:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"GREAT post. You know, as I started reading the transcript and I noticed the two guests, I really was starting to wonder why Deborah of all people had posted this. Head of the American Psychiatry Association, I thought for sure he would portray Cruise an idiot, and talk about how wonderful medications are. I mean, that is basically what psychiatry has become is it not, prescribing meds? (at least in my experience) I tried a lot of anti-depressants, and I never felt a thing. Accept to my pocketbook that is.
Personally, I think Cruise is a freak. But he has a few good points. The way parents prescribe meds to their children is shocking to me. I don't think children should be forced to mend into a uniform schooling system by drugging them. This is Orwellian scary if you ask me. If anything, the schooling system should be changed to adapt to the needs of children.
I've met people with the needs for meds (voices, hallucinations, etc) but I still can't believe they admit they haven't scientifcally proven the 'chemical imbalance' theory. I can't tell you the number of times I've been told I had a chemical imbalance by a psychiatrist. Insanity I tell you.
Thanks for the good read!"
It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him.
--Arthur C. Clarke, author
On 2005-06-28 06:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
""Chemical imbalance" is a gross oversimplification professionals use to explain some very complicated neurobiology to laymen.
Strictly speaking, it's accurate, and proven, for certain problems.
"
On 2005-06-28 05:57:00, 001010 wrote:
To quote Tom, "Psychiatry does not work." And basically went on to say how he knows a better way?
"
G: "If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do?"
EB: "Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area."
-- Somewhere in No Man's Land, BA4
On 2005-06-28 09:46:00, 001010 wrote:
Paul, I agree about the discrediting other people's recoveries to a certain extent but doesn't everyone do that in some way or another? People believe what they want to believe to survive. If a person?s reality is okay with them, and not hurting anyone or themselves, what's the harm?
Religion is a byproduct of fear. For much of human history, it may have been a necessary evil, but why was it more evil than necessary? Isn't killing people in the name of God a pretty good definition of insanity?
--Arthur C. Clarke, author
Revelation indeed had no weight with me.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
If God has spoken, why is the world not convinced?
--Percy Bysshe Shelley, English poet
Those who control the past, control the future; and those who control the present, control the past.
--George Orwell
On 2005-06-28 11:23:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"//I don't have a problem w/ people using amphetamines if they know what they're taking and they think it helps them. I do have a problem w/ giving our dysfunctional school system even more power to drug down or tag as insane any child who is not happy in that system. //
Couldn't agree more.
"
The college idealists who fill the ranks of the environmental movement seem willing to do absolutely anything to save the biosphere, except take science courses and learn something about it.
--P.J. O'Rourke
Truth does not have to be accepted on faith. Scientists do not hold hands every Sunday, singing, "Yes gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! Amen.
--Dan Barker, former evangelist and author
On 2005-06-28 13:02:00, Antigen wrote:
"The legislation just passed without the Paul amendment, which would have made parental consent a requirement. So, as I understand it, the new policy allows the public school system to screen all students for mental illness (by what definition?) w/o even asking their parents' permission.
It's a done deal now. If you don't want your kid to be screened by some anonymous stranger presenting themselves as psyche pros, you have to go out of your way to explicitly deny permission. And, knowing the ps system as I do, I'd say it's probably wise to fill your kids in on what mental health screening is and make sure they understand you don't want them to participate and that, despite what anyone might say or imply, you won't be mad at them if they refuse.Truth does not have to be accepted on faith. Scientists do not hold hands every Sunday, singing, "Yes gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! Amen.
--Dan Barker, former evangelist and author
"
All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusion is called a philosopher.
--Ambrose Bierce
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
--Hermann Goering, Luftwaffe commander, sentenced to death at Nuremberg
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins; all of them imaginary.
H.L. Mencken, 1923
On 2005-06-29 06:54:00, 001010 wrote:
"I think the way they probably look at it is that they've been doing it for years privately anyway, only now, the government can benefit by partnering with the drug companies instead of losing money on welfare. They (W & co) probably feel the nation?s poor and needy owe them for all the years the welfare system was actually helping -- but noooo, they didn't have enough control then, and weren't benefiting themselves. Our government wants you to believe marijuana is evil, but that forcing psyche meds on children is okay?
Do I really want to have another baby? :razz:
Then I went here:
http://www.nami.org/template.cfm?sectio ... Commission (http://www.nami.org/template.cfm?section=New_Freedom_Commission)
and here:
http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/ (http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/)
and here:
http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/mission.html (http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/mission.html)
oh, and here too:
http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/update09.07.04.htm (http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/update09.07.04.htm)
So, yeah...
On 2005-06-29 09:19:00, Paul wrote:
"Now for the confusing part to me:
Fornits states the govt:
Our government wants you to believe marijuana is evil, but that forcing psyche meds on children is okay?
Fornits promotes:
Freedom to take all currently illegal drugs but slams people if they choose to take certain prescription medications.
To me, that is weird."
On 2005-06-29 10:37:00, Deborah wrote:
I perceive it as slander, an attempt to discredit the entire site.
"
Vain are the thousand creeds that move men's hearts, unutterably vain, worthless as wither'd weeds.
--Emily Bronte
On 2005-06-29 18:27:00, 001010 wrote:
"I am not the voice of Fornits. Only the great and powerful OZ can hear the voice! :smile:
I don't know anyone who believes in force as a front line treatment protocol.
Regarding getting slammed on Fornits, I have been called a drug addict for taking my meds, I believe it was Deborah. So the slams do happen.
Deborah has stated she has nothing to do with anyone who is mentally ill, she also states that she is not against personal choice, but she does state that she is against the industry. I don't know, to me, if someone is against the industry that is providing my medication, I connect the dots, and weigh in that she called me a drug addict, I would say that is a pretty slim line of personal choice.
Perhaps it is personal choice with harrassment and an onslaught of activity to eliminate the supply ... eliminate the supply, then what choice do I have.
Offer an alternative, promote it, and everyone lives happily after. No one needs to be trying to shut down any industry. Why would anyone want to shut down an industry, if one has nothing to do with the people who are helped by that industry?
On 2005-06-29 18:27:00, 001010 wrote:
I believe in options, not force.
On 2005-06-30 18:44:00, Cidsa wrote:
"First of all an SSRI is:
Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor. A type of drug that is used to treat depression. SSRIs slow the process by which serotonin (a substance that nerves use to send messages to one another) is reused by nerve cells that make it. This increases the amount of serotonin available for stimulating other nerves.
I myself was forced on Paxil at around 12 or 13 and i've been addicted and riddled with symptoms since (im almost 20 now).
There is another site all about paxil and it is here: http://paxil.bizland.com/ (http://paxil.bizland.com/)
It has a very handy guide to getting off paxil, which I'm going to have to try as soon as my memory stops being so awful.
I personally wish I had never been forced on this, I would probably feel a lot better..As it is I'm sick every day and I almost never feel happy, but I hardly ever feel sad either..just a middle ground.
Anyways, the front page of that talks about the fact that GSK hid information about suicidal tendancies and I'll vouch for it. Until that drug, suicide never really came into my mind. Then I was attempting/threatning it every week."
On 2005-06-30 21:17:00, Deborah wrote:
"I made NO derogatory comments to you (or Tim) until you/she attacked me personally, rather than refuting the information I had posted.
Should I have ignored the personal attacks? Yeh, probably. But I?m not a saint. You and Tim both have used the 'bipolar' excuse for your rudeness. Having a psych dx sure hindered my nephew from learning the social skills he desperately needed- what I consider to be the crux of his 'problems'.
Advocating informed consent, honesty, and transparecy has nothing to do with eliminating your supply of drugs OR shutting down the industry. That may be the most ridiculous comment you?ve made so far. I wouldn?t waste my time on such an ill-fated agenda- they're here to stay.
On 2005-06-30 21:17:00, Deborah wrote:
" That may be the most ridiculous comment you?ve made so far. I wouldn?t waste my time on such an ill-fated agenda- they're here to stay.
"
On 2005-06-30 21:17:00, Deborah wrote:
My mother's neighbor and friend committed suicide while taking Paxil- his wife received a handsome settlement.
"
On 2005-07-02 09:42:00, Deborah wrote:
"
Paul,
I think you're attempting to intentionally deceive people, but in case your genuinely ignorant, there are about 290,000 returns at google for paxil + lawsuit
Take a gander, you might learn something.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=paxil+%2B+lawsuit (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=paxil+%2B+lawsuit)
"
On 2005-07-21 20:55:00, Deborah wrote:
"
Insulted me? No, but I am kinda curious about what you're in a rage about now. Guess I must have said something that insulted you.
Anyway, I actually came back to this thread to post a link to an interiew from WOAI in San Antonio. Good debate on the Cruise/Sheilds issue.
http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/?videoId=135766,565 (http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/?videoId=135766,565)"
Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppression of both mind and body will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day
Thomas Jefferson
snip
"and some patient groups told the panelists that requiring long-term data before approval would be a burden and could slow development of new antidepressants"
snip
On 2005-10-27 10:41:00, cleveland wrote:
But oddly enough, I have had much less of an issue with depression or anxiety since. I think there was an internal emotional 'thermastat' that needed to be reset ant that did it for me.
On 2005-11-21 16:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
" "...But low serotonin levels are no more the cause of depression than low aspirin levels are the cause of headaches, argue Jonathan Leo at Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine in Bradenton, Florida, and Jeffrey Lacasse at Florida State University in Tallahassee..."
"
The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Why does it work?"
The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How does it work?"
The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How much will it cost?"
The graduate with a Liberal Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?"
--Anonymous
On 2005-11-21 19:49:00, Antigen wrote:
"And how many millions of people with rotten teeth feel better with an aspirin or 10? Hell, give em some coke instead, they'll feel better. Does that prove the existance of a coke deficiency?
"
Fantastic meaningless comparison.
Perhaps you will chip in the 1st dollar for a billboard campaign that states:
Anti-depressant users:
You do not feel better
because of your anti-depressants!
On 2005-11-22 06:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
Fantastic meaningless comparison.
Perhaps you will chip in the 1st dollar for a billboard campaign that states:
Anti-depressant users:
You do not feel better
because of your anti-depressants!"
Redemption: Deliverance of sinners from the penalty of their sins through the murder of their deity against whom they sinned.
--Ambrose Bierce
On 2005-11-22 07:13:00, Antigen wrote:
"Quote
On 2005-11-22 06:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
Fantastic meaningless comparison.
Perhaps you will chip in the 1st dollar for a billboard campaign that states:
Anti-depressant users:
You do not feel better
because of your anti-depressants!"
Are you thick? I didn't say aspirin would not make a tooth ache feel better. I said it often does. But it neither cures the invection nor proves an aspirin deficiency.
Same w/ cocaine and depression. Give a depressed person a little cocain and, in all liklihood, they will feel substantially better. Give them something to tweak up their seratonin levels and, in some cases (not as reliable as coke) they will feel better. But that does not mean that they had a seratonin or cocaine deficiency. And it doesn't address the causes of the depression.
All kinds of things can cause people to feel badly. I've never said that no one should use psyche drugs. But, in the interest of consistancy, I also have never said that no one should use those other, more natural, unpatentable drugs either. To each his own.
25 million people? What's that, the total number in America who are on SSRIs? That's pretty close to 1 out of 100 of us. Do you truely and honestly believe, given the state of psyche medicine today, that every last one of them is helped more than hurt by those drugs and that none of them could find relief through less invasive methods? Do you deny that overprescibing is a legitimate issue in the industry?
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.Redemption: Deliverance of sinners from the penalty of their sins through the murder of their deity against whom they sinned.
--Ambrose Bierce
"
On 2005-11-22 13:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
Pharma greed put the treatments in many homes and now we are all reaping the results; suicide, murder, insanity, abuse. It was always there with booze and street drugs but it's hit an all new level.
"
There's a black market on 'legal' drugs now. Kids are selling their Ritalin which is crushed and snorted. Moms are drowning their kids, severing their arms, shooting them.
"
On 2005-11-23 06:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"War on Drugs appears to be meeting one of its objectives? Meet the new 'drug dealers'.
THE NEW YORK TIMES
November 16, 2005 Front Page
Being a Patient
Doctors now believe that therapy and social work are the preferred method of treatment for most schizophrenics.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... forum=22&0 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12916&forum=22&0)"
On 2005-12-07 19:25:00, Deborah wrote:
"
http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/ ... 364840.xml (http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-4/113394169364840.xml)
Wednesday, December 07, 2005
By Paul Rioux
St. Tammany bureau
Excepts:
A 3-month-old Bogalusa boy died Monday night after his mother, apparently tired of his crying, put him in a clothes dryer and turned it on for several minutes, authorities said.
Adams, who authorities suspect may have been suffering from postpartum depression, placed the boy in an electric dryer with a few articles of clothing and turned it on for at least several minutes, Darden said.
"She remained calm throughout the whole situation and never really showed much emotion."
Adams also shared the home at 1501 N. Roosevelt St. with her 1-year-old daughter and grandmother, who was not home Monday, Darden said.
Galvan said neither of the children had signs of any earlier abuse or injuries.
"This child was extremely well-nourished," he said. "There was no evidence of previous neglect or records of involvement with child-protection services."
Noting that a bottle of antidepressant medication was found in the home, Galvan said he suspects Adams may have been experiencing postpartum depression, a condition linked to hormonal changes after childbirth. Symptoms include uncontrollable crying, mood swings, exhaustion, feelings of hopelessness and lack of interest in the baby. In extreme cases, mothers sometimes exhibit psychotic behavior toward their children.
Paul Rioux can be reached at [email protected] or (985) 645-2852
"
On 2005-12-14 09:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://www.ktksound.com/kate_links.htm
Kates' Mom & Dad want to thank everyone for their love and support. We want everyone to know that Kate was a wonderful girl that got into a bad
relationship with an older boy. That relationship led her into a complicated life of isolation from us (her parents) and ultimately resulted in her
taking her own life on Feb 22, 2004 at the age of 16 years old. We plea to everyone in the community to please take care of each other. Teens need to realize how important it is to watch over and protect each other. When seeking help for depression, please use caution... ZOLOFT KILLS!
"
On 2005-12-14 10:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/13403604.htm
Posted on Wed, Dec. 14, 2005
Mother says she killed daughter to protect child from 'spirits'
"
On 2005-12-14 17:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No, there was not."
Prepare to die ... :scared: "
On 2005-12-14 20:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
One good thing though, life expectancy
keep going up, up and up
We get crushed in the first three, four years of school...We're trained to become parrots. We're trained to learn information and give it back at test time. But we're not taught to think. We're not taught how to access genius.
--Victor Villasenor, author of Burro Genius (2004)
We get crushed in the first three, four years of school...We're trained to become parrots. We're trained to learn information and give it back at test time. But we're not taught to think. We're not taught how to access genius.
--Victor Villasenor, author of Burro Genius (2004)
A celibate clergy is an especially good idea because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism.
--Carl Sagan, American astronomer and author
On 2005-12-15 09:58:00, Antigen wrote:
Where and among which populations?
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist
On 2005-12-15 15:28:00, Antigen wrote:
"I was thinking a little more comprehensive than that.
http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights ... -life.html (http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/econrights/maps-life.html)
What about them blue spots on the map?
On 2006-03-01 08:51:00, Deborah wrote:
Duke researchers believe their findings add more support for the use of other approaches to treat depression, such as exercise.
Having been there, I'd like to ask you a question.
Why do you think the focus is not on helping people learn to ignore 'the voices', like the guy in Beautiful Mind (forgotten his name), rather than drugging people out of their minds.
This will surely be perceived as over-simplified to some, but it appears to me that schizophrenics live in fear. Fear does strange things to people. Our minds are powerful and cause us harm if fear dictates our thoughts.
It doesn't seem that difficult to ferret out the source of a person's fearful thoughts which are causing the voices and hallucinations. Then assist the person in learning how to tune them out, as portrayed in the movie.
What IF, the thoughts are nothing more than someone tripping over something in their past that scared the shit out of them. If you could identify and dismantle it, I can't help but think there would be drastic improvement. Like re-programming the software. Seems the goal should be to help the person gain a firm grasp of the assurance that they can be in full control of their thoughts. That these thoughts are not currently coming from an external entity, but completely from their own mind, based on one or more fearful, confusing, unresolved, past events.
Like a whipped, cowling dog who might never fully recover, the same may be true of more severe cases of schizo, but this kind of approach seems far more humane, effective, and safer in the long run.
Did you ever get counseling? If so, what kind and was any of this explored during sessions?