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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Watchful Yeoman on October 11, 2010, 01:52:54 PM
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I thought I had seen it all until this morning. That is, until I saw the most die-hard program pusher here admit to making up having a daughter that "did well" in "her program" and admit he actually never had a daughter but rather a son in a program. That shit is weird, man! Here's the guy who calls everyone a liar when they talk about their own personal experiences admitting he invented his whole family and their "successes" to boot.
Speaking of wilderness programs and sex, it happens all the time... at least when I was there it did. Its not like they handed out condoms so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the girls go home from wilderness with a whole new set of issues brewing inside them. I never saw a wild tribe like orgy until I was in wilderness, and don't think the staff don't join in. Parents have no idea what happens out there, it was insane.
Thanks guest,I knew it wasnt as bad as people were saying here. The kids do have fun on these trips, I kind of thought that.
Your welcome, my son really liked it and would like to become a counselor some day which has motivated him to study harder.
Face it.....you got busted buddy boy.
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I admit that, Anne, but read through the thread and see what they did to this woman "worried Anne" and calling her son gay and pretending to be survivors with her son.
I dont see it as being wrong at all. I feel sorry for the woman. I would probably do it again if the situation warranted.
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Does anyone else here feel the need to invent whole new lives so they can use their inventions to support their POV or market their products?
I no longer will believe anything "Whooter" has to say around here. This shit is beyond! Of course he also says he'd "do it again" if it suited his agenda. A more direct example of program-think could not be found, IMHO.
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Sounds like he's saying, "the ends justify the means," just like the programs do!
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THis is total fabricated BS, up inside your stupid f@#$*!g head, thrown up here on a valid forum. Take this f@#$*!g garbage where it belongs to the "OFFA".
Whooter gave a plausible reason as to why he said what he said, if you don't like the answer shove it up your *#s, but this gives you no right to discredit him or his family.
Your the reason this site is not taken serious and we have to have increased monitoring by deputies.
I am talking to this j*@k-off this way because this thread/topic belongs with all the other trash in "OFFA". So he will get no respect from me when he manipulates this website for his own sick reasons.
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Sounds like he's saying, "the ends justify the means," just like the programs do!
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That's exactly my point, Ursus. Those of us here who were abused at programs by sadistic staff tell our stories only to be met with "you're lying" from people like Whooter (and his li'l sidekick/defense atty :shamrock: :rofl: ) with no facts to refute anything we say. Then we come to find out that he has gone as far as to invent a whole family and a family story to further his agenda here by holding out his fictitious "program daughter" as a "success story" for programs. It's all a huge lie perpetrated by a huge liar to promote programs. Not only is it dishonest, but I really believe it shows a type of mental illness, too. Just think about the machinations going on inside the head of a person who would fabricate an entire life story of a nonexistant child so that he could have a rosy picture to paint about programs. It's way too weird and abnormal.
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THis is total fabricated BS, up inside your stupid f@#$*!g head, thrown up here on a valid forum. Take this f@#$*!g garbage where it belongs to the "OFFA".
Whooter gave a plausible reason as to why he said what he said, if you don't like the answer shove it up your *#s, but this gives you no right to discredit him or his family.
Your the reason this site is not taken serious and we have to have increased monitoring by deputies.
This is your first warning for abusing these threads, Site and rules. A@#*&$e.
I am talking to this j*@k-off this way because this thread/topic belongs with all the other trash in "OFFA". So he will get no respect from me when he manipulates this website for his own sick reasons.
Wow. I do believe that singed some fur offa my bear suit. Thank goodness it wasn't my Sunday-best one.
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Let's get back to the discussion of sickos that invent children and invent success stories for those invented children to further the argument that the "program saved my (invented) kid!" Thanks, everyone.
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Let's get back to the discussion of sickos that invent children and invent success stories for those invented children to further the argument that the "program saved my (invented) kid!" Thanks, everyone.
Personally, I see this as a manipulative attempt by DannyB II to get this thread relegated to OFFA. That's certainly one way to get things out of the reach of search engines. He even admitted as much:
I am talking to this j*@k-off this way because this thread/topic belongs with all the other trash in "OFFA".[/list]
But... back to the subject at hand... ultimately, the strategy of fabricating success stories will bite somebody back in the butt. It may even make all success stories less than fully believable. That has certainly been the case for WWASPS.
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Let's get back to the discussion of sickos that invent children and invent success stories for those invented children to further the argument that the "program saved my (invented) kid!" Thanks, everyone.
There is no topic or discussion here, this is not part of the troubled teen forum and your making a mockery out of this forum with this disrespectful post. All your showing our readers and kids is when you don't agree with someone, you can bully them, make fun of them and try to facilitate a total censorship of them.
Yah, this is the message we want sent out.
Stop abusing this forum for your selfish reasons.
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Let's get back to the discussion of sickos that invent children and invent success stories for those invented children to further the argument that the "program saved my (invented) kid!" Thanks, everyone.
Personally, I see this as a manipulative attempt by DannyB II to get this thread relegated to OFFA. That's certainly one way to get things out of the reach of search engines. He even admitted as much:
I am talking to this j*@k-off this way because this thread/topic belongs with all the other trash in "OFFA".[/list]
This is not a manipulative action at all, it is a direct full scale attempt to have this moved to the Offa where it belongs. Whooter gave his reasons they are credible, you don't accept the reasons plus you have prejudice towards him.
Ursus I do not manipulate, I am very direct in most of my dealings.
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Let's get back to the discussion of sickos that invent children and invent success stories for those invented children to further the argument that the "program saved my (invented) kid!" Thanks, everyone.
Personally, I see this as a manipulative attempt by DannyB II to get this thread relegated to OFFA. That's certainly one way to get things out of the reach of search engines. He even admitted as much:
I am talking to this j*@k-off this way because this thread/topic belongs with all the other trash in "OFFA".[/list]
This is not a manipulative action at all, it is a direct full scale attempt to have this moved to the Offa where it belongs. Whooter gave his reasons they are credible, you don't accept the reasons plus you have prejudice towards him.
Ursus I do not manipulate, I am very direct in most of my dealings.
In other words, YOU are attempting to censor what is most accessible for folks to read ... by trying to instigate the manipulation of forum content.
I'd say that is a lil like fabricating success stories, if you ask me...
Ursus I do not manipulate, I am very direct in most of my dealings.
If you were "direct," you would have simply asked to have it moved to the other forum.
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Let's get back to the discussion of sickos that invent children and invent success stories for those invented children to further the argument that the "program saved my (invented) kid!" Thanks, everyone.
Personally, I see this as a manipulative attempt by DannyB II to get this thread relegated to OFFA. That's certainly one way to get things out of the reach of search engines. He even admitted as much:
I am talking to this j*@k-off this way because this thread/topic belongs with all the other trash in "OFFA".[/list]
This is not a manipulative action at all, it is a direct full scale attempt to have this moved to the Offa where it belongs. Whooter gave his reasons they are credible, you don't accept the reasons plus you have prejudice towards him.
Ursus I do not manipulate, I am very direct in most of my dealings.
In other words, YOU are attempting to censor what is most accessible for folks to read ... by bringing about the manipulation of forum content (via psy).
I'd say that is a lil like fabricating success stories, if you ask me...
Ursus, stop playing games. You know darn well this targeting of individuals and manipulating the forums with prejudice is not fair but goes against everything where trying to do here.
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Let's get back to the discussion of sickos that invent children and invent success stories for those invented children to further the argument that the "program saved my (invented) kid!" Thanks, everyone.
Personally, I see this as a manipulative attempt by DannyB II to get this thread relegated to OFFA. That's certainly one way to get things out of the reach of search engines. He even admitted as much:
I am talking to this j*@k-off this way because this thread/topic belongs with all the other trash in "OFFA".[/list]
But... back to the subject at hand... ultimately, the strategy of fabricating success stories will bite somebody back in the butt. It may even make all success stories less than fully believable. That has certainly been the case for WWASPS.
Totally agree with this assessment. I can no longer believe anything that Whooter has posted because if he'd lie about something so big and important like having a child he doesn't have then what else wouldn't he lie about? I can see his :shamrock: li'l sidekick :shamrock: is getting upset when the truth comes out. He shouldn't idolize fabricators like this Whooter guy if he doesn't want to be disappointed in the results.
Now I'm wondering about the other "success stories" here. Are they fake? Are they also written by Whooter? Any way you cut it up it makes the "pro-program" cheerleaders look terrible when the head cheerleader gets her skirt pulled up to reveal her dong. It's unfathomable why someone would fake having a child that went to a program.
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Let's get back to the discussion of sickos that invent children and invent success stories for those invented children to further the argument that the "program saved my (invented) kid!" Thanks, everyone.
Personally, I see this as a manipulative attempt by DannyB II to get this thread relegated to OFFA. That's certainly one way to get things out of the reach of search engines. He even admitted as much:
I am talking to this j*@k-off this way because this thread/topic belongs with all the other trash in "OFFA".[/list]
This is not a manipulative action at all, it is a direct full scale attempt to have this moved to the Offa where it belongs. Whooter gave his reasons they are credible, you don't accept the reasons plus you have prejudice towards him.
Ursus I do not manipulate, I am very direct in most of my dealings.
In other words, YOU are attempting to censor what is most accessible for folks to read ... by trying to instigate the manipulation of forum content.
I'd say that is a lil like fabricating success stories, if you ask me...
You are showing your vindictive side, Ursus. Not very professional. This is not about me, his name could be Tom, Yoeman, Ursus, Psy or Whooter, I would do the same thing, this is not right and should not happen.
This is willfull disrespect, he explained himself plausibly, you don't want to accept that, problem is you have prejudice.
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THis is total fabricated BS, up inside your stupid f@#$*!g head, thrown up here on a valid forum. Take this f@#$*!g garbage where it belongs to the "OFFA".
Whooter gave a plausible reason as to why he said what he said, if you don't like the answer shove it up your *#s, but this gives you no right to discredit him or his family.
Your the reason this site is not taken serious and we have to have increased monitoring by deputies.
This is your first warning for abusing these threads, Site and rules. A@#*&$e.
I am talking to this j*@k-off this way because this thread/topic belongs with all the other trash in "OFFA". So he will get no respect from me when he manipulates this website for his own sick reasons.
Danny, why don't you get down on your knees and suck John Reuben's dick already! Or if you don't want to appear totally gay, have your wife blow him while you watch, and instead of swallowing - she can spit John's sperm back into your mouth. That way you can claim that you're not Gay (because you didn't blow John yourself), while still being able to enjoy the taste of Mr. Reuben's sperm, which you obviously crave so much! Or just blow Whooter yourself, which is what you really want anyways.
I'm talking to you this way Danny B II, because you're a total fucking jerk off and deserve
no better treatment from me or anyone else on this forum. :twofinger:
No, your talking to me this way because you don't know any other way to talk. Lets just get honest here. This is how you relate to other males when you are upset at them. Funny how most of the males here go straight to homosexual acts when they are angry with you.
Please would someone in the house who happens to know professionally, explain this. Maybe we can all learn something.
My reaction is to reject the offer or the salacious remarks, as immature acts of a inadequate man.
I would think all the energy you put into those filthy comments, you could have spoke intelligently about your point or made another argument.
I get the respect I deserve, always have. Thanks for checking on that.
Buddy, you're not even a tiny fraction of the adequaete man that I am. Be sure of that. And you damn well know that you disrespect everyone here, everytime you make one of your ill thought out blanket derogatory statements about fornits posters in general - calling us all liars, plagurists, and similar such nonsense.
You know absolutely nothing about me, yet you say that I "don't know any other way to tallk" ?
Please Danny B II, don't embarrass yourself. I CHOSE to disrespect you in that matter, because I enjoyed it, and that's the whole honest truth. It's so funny how you catagorize me as "going to other males with homosexual acts when they are angry with me", and then end your post by calling me a "inadequate male" ( undoubtedly a veiled reference to my member size & sexual prowess). You should hold yourself to your own professed standards, and not be such a hypocrite Danny B II. I don't respect you, and you won't get any respect from me, as you deserve none. How could I respect such an obvious hypocrite?
How the hell could anyone here respect you Danny B II, after you've gone through such great
lengths to defend a PROVEN LIAR like John Reuben? There is no defense for anyone who lies like John Reuben has done and continues to do so, the guy is trash - pure and simple.
The same can be said for the sorry sap who goes out of his way to defend such devious behavior (that would be you Danny B II).
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WY wrote:
Totally agree with this assessment. I can no longer believe anything that Whooter has posted because if he'd lie about something so big and important like having a child he doesn't have then what else wouldn't he lie about? I can see his :shamrock: li'l sidekick :shamrock: is getting upset when the truth comes out. He shouldn't idolize fabricators like this Whooter guy if he doesn't want to be disappointed in the results.
Now I'm wondering about the other "success stories" here. Are they fake? Are they also written by Whooter? Any way you cut it up it makes the "pro-program" cheerleaders look terrible when the head cheerleader gets her skirt pulled up to reveal her dong. It's unfathomable why someone would fake having a child that went to a program.
The only lying and disrespect going on here is Ursus and yourself and the prejudice you have against a certain member named Whooter.
Enjoy your time here.
This type of behavior where you target a member of the group for hate, disrespect, and to censor is exactly what goes on in programs an schools as you folks attest to. This is what we talk about here endlessly.
Why Ursus and Watchful Yoeman would want to foster such behavior is troubling to members here. We have threads in a non-moderated forum called "OFFA" where people can accuse anybody of anything or take out of context anything anyone says. As a matter of fact we already have one the has Whooters name on it already.
People who read here don't be mislead by people who are selfish and persuaded by vindictiveness.
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Nobody is censoring anyone here.
Anyone who disagrees is worse than Hitler.
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WY wrote:
Totally agree with this assessment. I can no longer believe anything that Whooter has posted because if he'd lie about something so big and important like having a child he doesn't have then what else wouldn't he lie about? I can see his :shamrock: li'l sidekick :shamrock: is getting upset when the truth comes out. He shouldn't idolize fabricators like this Whooter guy if he doesn't want to be disappointed in the results.
Now I'm wondering about the other "success stories" here. Are they fake? Are they also written by Whooter? Any way you cut it up it makes the "pro-program" cheerleaders look terrible when the head cheerleader gets her skirt pulled up to reveal her dong. It's unfathomable why someone would fake having a child that went to a program.
The only lying and disrespect going on here is Ursus and yourself and the prejudice you have against a certain member named Whooter.
Enjoy your time here.
This type of behavior where you target a member of the group for hate, disrespect, and to censor is exactly what goes on in programs an schools as you folks attest to. This is what we talk about here endlessly.
Why Ursus and Watchful Yoeman would want to foster such behavior is troubling to members here. We have threads in a non-moderated forum called "OFFA" where people can accuse anybody of anything or take out of context anything anyone says. As a matter of fact we already have one the has Whooters name on it already.
People who read here don't be mislead by people who are selfish and persuaded by vindictiveness.
Sorry, Danny, at least as far as *my* words are concerned, I can safely say they do not arise from "vindictiveness." I actually feel kinda sorry for the guy.
To my mind, a large part of Whooter's continued goading, tormenting, and sparring with other fornits posters belongs to a deep-seated pathological need to recreate his former dysfunctional family life. A family life which he, unfortunately, no longer has.
Just my two cents on it, fwiw... I could be wrong!
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WY wrote:
Totally agree with this assessment. I can no longer believe anything that Whooter has posted because if he'd lie about something so big and important like having a child he doesn't have then what else wouldn't he lie about? I can see his :shamrock: li'l sidekick :shamrock: is getting upset when the truth comes out. He shouldn't idolize fabricators like this Whooter guy if he doesn't want to be disappointed in the results.
Now I'm wondering about the other "success stories" here. Are they fake? Are they also written by Whooter? Any way you cut it up it makes the "pro-program" cheerleaders look terrible when the head cheerleader gets her skirt pulled up to reveal her dong. It's unfathomable why someone would fake having a child that went to a program.
The only lying and disrespect going on here is Ursus and yourself and the prejudice you have against a certain member named Whooter.
Enjoy your time here.
This type of behavior where you target a member of the group for hate, disrespect, and to censor is exactly what goes on in programs an schools as you folks attest to. This is what we talk about here endlessly.
Why Ursus and Watchful Yoeman would want to foster such behavior is troubling to members here. We have threads in a non-moderated forum called "OFFA" where people can accuse anybody of anything or take out of context anything anyone says. As a matter of fact we already have one the has Whooters name on it already.
People who read here don't be mislead by people who are selfish and persuaded by vindictiveness.
Actually Danny B II, the only "predjudice" that has been demonstrated here is that PEOPLE HATE BEING LIED TO and consequently MOST PEOPLE HATE LIARS (I say most, because apparently you yourself admire liars).
Your friend John Reuben has been exposed as the LIAR that he is. Consequently, those of us that JOHN REUBEN LIED TO, have every right to discuss the PROVEN LIES he told, as well as
compare notes concerning what else John Reuben most likely lied about.
That's what happens when someone gets caught telling lies, Danny B II. Naturally, everything John Reuben has said is now open to scrutiny. You insist that we all should accept John's explaination of why he lied, and leave it at that. Why on earth should we accept the
word of John Reuben at face value, when we've already proven that he lies? Your logic make no sense what-so-ever.
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SOS wrote:
Buddy, you're not even a tiny fraction of the adequaete man that I am. Be sure of that. And you damn well know that you disrespect everyone here, everytime you make one of your ill thought out blanket derogatory statements about fornits posters in general - calling us all liars, plagurists, and similar such nonsense.
You know absolutely nothing about me, yet you say that I "don't know any other way to tallk" ?
Please Danny B II, don't embarrass yourself. I CHOSE to disrespect you in that matter, because I enjoyed it, and that's the whole honest truth. It's so funny how you catagorize me as "going to other males with homosexual acts when they are angry with me", and then end your post by calling me a "inadequate male" ( undoubtedly a veiled reference to my member size & sexual prowess). You should hold yourself to your own professed standards, and not be such a hypocrite Danny B II. I don't respect you, and you won't get any respect from me, as you deserve none. How could I respect such an obvious hypocrite?
How the hell could anyone here respect you Danny B II, after you've gone through such great
lengths to defend a PROVEN LIAR like John Reuben? There is no defense for anyone who lies like John Reuben has done and continues to do so, the guy is trash - pure and simple.
The same can be said for the sorry sap who goes out of his way to defend such devious behavior (that would be you Danny B II)[/b]
Calling someone a inadequate male does not have to refer to a males genitals. What I was referring to in this case is your lack of control of your emotions, your inability to keep yourself from regressing to 13 years old. It seems like when you become angry and confused, your verbal reactions become about the male sexuality, preferably, homosexual references.
I do not disrespect anyone when I voice my opinion in a non-aggressive way. I do not agree with some of what I hear as you don't. Many people here accuse me of a lot of things, I don't go crazy about it. I accept it as part of the territory.
No one here has proven Whooter lied about anything as extensive as you want to believe, I have heard no concrete evidence to back up anything that Whooter has been accused of. These are unfounded blatant lies/accusations, to try and suppress a member who does not agree with you.
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Frodie Wrote:
Sorry, Danny, at least as far as *my* words are concerned, I can safely say they do not arise from "vindictiveness." I actually feel kinda sorry for the guy.
To my mind, a large part of Whooter's continued goading, tormenting, and sparring with other fornits posters belongs to a deep-seated pathological need to recreate his former dysfunctional family life. A family life which he, unfortunately, no longer has.
Just my two cents on it, fwiw... I could be wrong!
Wrong! I don't think your wrong, you are entitled to your opinion. I just don't like to see anyone castrated on a public forum in front of members who are cheering from their closets, this is wrong.
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WY wrote:
Totally agree with this assessment. I can no longer believe anything that Whooter has posted because if he'd lie about something so big and important like having a child he doesn't have then what else wouldn't he lie about? I can see his :shamrock: li'l sidekick :shamrock: is getting upset when the truth comes out. He shouldn't idolize fabricators like this Whooter guy if he doesn't want to be disappointed in the results.
Now I'm wondering about the other "success stories" here. Are they fake? Are they also written by Whooter? Any way you cut it up it makes the "pro-program" cheerleaders look terrible when the head cheerleader gets her skirt pulled up to reveal her dong. It's unfathomable why someone would fake having a child that went to a program.
The only lying and disrespect going on here is Ursus and yourself and the prejudice you have against a certain member named Whooter.
Enjoy your time here.
This type of behavior where you target a member of the group for hate, disrespect, and to censor is exactly what goes on in programs an schools as you folks attest to. This is what we talk about here endlessly.
Why Ursus and Watchful Yoeman would want to foster such behavior is troubling to members here. We have threads in a non-moderated forum called "OFFA" where people can accuse anybody of anything or take out of context anything anyone says. As a matter of fact we already have one the has Whooters name on it already.
People who read here don't be mislead by people who are selfish and persuaded by vindictiveness.
Actually Danny B II, the only "predjudice" that has been demonstrated here is that PEOPLE HATE BEING LIED TO and consequently MOST PEOPLE HATE LIARS (I say most, because apparently you yourself admire liars).
Your friend John Reuben has been exposed as the LIAR that he is. Consequently, those of us that JOHN REUBEN LIED TO, have every right to discuss the PROVEN LIES he told, as well as
compare notes concerning what else John Reuben most likely lied about.
That's what happens when someone gets caught telling lies, Danny B II. Naturally, everything John Reuben has said is now open to scrutiny. You insist that we all should accept John's explaination of why he lied, and leave it at that. Why on earth should we accept the
word of John Reuben at face value, when we've already proven that he lies? Your logic make no sense what-so-ever.
What did Whooter lie about, who was he lying to. Really, what we are talking about here, is your oppression, on people you do not like. You fabricate the story however you want. The discussion, Whooter had, had nothing to do with you, he was coming to the aid of a women, who was being verbally mauled by guests. I would have done the same thing and for all we know since your posts from back when have not been strung together, you could have done the same thing.
As a matter of fact there are many here which if we allowed Psy to string your posts together, we would see that you had done the same thing. Most of you probably had the same intentions as Whooter, to help someone else who was being railroaded.
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No one here has proven Whooter lied about anything as extensive as you want to believe, I have heard no concrete evidence to back up anything that Whooter has been accused of. These are unfounded blatant lies/accusations, to try and suppress a member who does not agree with you.[/b]
Danny B II - Since according to you "I'm unable to keep myself from regressing to 13 years
old" - Then please explain a few things to me:
1. John Reuben has himself admitted to lying about having a daughter who attended a program - the posts in which he did so are linked to him and clearly available for everyone to see. If that isn't "concrete evidence" enough that Mr. Reuben lied, then please enlighten the
rest of us - what would constitute this "concrete evidence" you've mentioned?
2. What "concrete evidence" can you provide that "Whooter" is telling the truth? Can you provide any evidence at all?
Danny B II - Instead of calling the rest of us liars & oppressors, and trying to suppress the FACT that your friend John Reuben AKA "Whooter" was caught lying red-handed, maybe for once, just this once - you could try actually proving what you've said. I know it's wishful thinking on my part, but then again who knows, maybe you'll suprise me (although I highly doubt it).
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DB - I have never professed to know who anyone is, posted an address, threatened anyone, impersonated someone or adopted aliases to obfuscate; I have never accused anyone of anything that occurred off site. (The van incident, for example - I have no idea what happened and have never accused you of anything.) Whooter has said unforgivably horrible things about me that have nothing to do with board interactions. The fact you support his lies show a serious lack of personal integrity. I don't know why this is okay with you. I am surprised because one of your friends on this board is an extremely beneficent, spiritual, and upstanding human being. I myself have been inspired by his words and experiences. Maybe you should take a tip from him. I think he might be a better person to emulate than your current idol.
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No one here has proven Whooter lied about anything as extensive as you want to believe, I have heard no concrete evidence to back up anything that Whooter has been accused of. These are unfounded blatant lies/accusations, to try and suppress a member who does not agree with you.[/b]
Danny B II - Since according to you "I'm unable to keep myself from regressing to 13 years old"
- The please explain a few things to me:
1. John Reuben has himself admitted to lying about having a daughter who attended a program - the posts in which he did so are linked to him and clearly available for everyone to see. If that isn't "concrete evidence" enough that Mr. Reuben lied, then please enlighten the
rest of us - what would constitute this "concrete evidence" you've mentioned?
If you would like we can go line by line through those posts so you can show all of us how he lied. You are not going to find any lies. What you will find is what you want to see.
2. What "concrete evidence" can you provide that "Whooter" is telling the truth? Can you provide any evidence at all?
Yes, his word. Period. He said he is not lying, you have not proved he is. He helped a women getting her ass kicked verbally. I would think you would be cheering him.
Danny B II - Instead of calling the rest of liars, and trying to suppress the FACT that your friend John Reuben AKA "Whooter" was caught lying red-handed, maybe for once, just this once - you could try actually proving what you've said. I know it's wishful thinking on my part, but then again who knows, maybe you'll suprise me (although I highly doubt it).
You are a liar SOS, you prove this everytime you post. You take a post that had nothing to do with you, you folks asked a question why he said something that was not actually a valid point he answers the question with, this is why I did it. Is this good enough no, you have to lie, yes tell a bald face lie and say that, Whooter, "lied" to everyone about his children.
This is none of your business a mans family, whatever your reasons. Next reason your a liar, is your motivation behind embellishing this story, it is none other then to hurt him and embarrass him along with his family.
Your a sad individual, SOS, and if in fact all these accusations your hurling at Whooter are true, your no better. Look at yourself, your abusing the shit out of someone and feel justified to do it. Just like the staff, you are acting just like a staff member. Yah, lets get Whooter up in front of the room and humiliate him, make him bleed.
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As a matter of fact there are many here which if we allowed Psy to string your posts together, we would see that you had done the same thing. Most of you probably had the same intentions as Whooter, to help someone else who was being railroaded.
Actually, as far as I'm concerned there is no "matter of fact" about it. Unlike your friend John Reuben AKA "Whooter", I don't use sock puppets. My posts are readily available for all to see. Simply search posts made by the user named "Son Of Serbia", and you will find everything I've ever said on this website. And no, I've never needed to lie in order to "help someone being railroaded." I've always found that telling the truth is the most effective method for supporting my views.
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No one here has proven Whooter lied about anything as extensive as you want to believe, I have heard no concrete evidence to back up anything that Whooter has been accused of. These are unfounded blatant lies/accusations, to try and suppress a member who does not agree with you.[/b]
Danny B II - Since according to you "I'm unable to keep myself from regressing to 13 years old"
- The please explain a few things to me:
1. John Reuben has himself admitted to lying about having a daughter who attended a program - the posts in which he did so are linked to him and clearly available for everyone to see. If that isn't "concrete evidence" enough that Mr. Reuben lied, then please enlighten the
rest of us - what would constitute this "concrete evidence" you've mentioned?
If you would like we can go line by line through those posts so you can show all of us how he lied. You are not going to find any lies. What you will find is what you want to see.
2. What "concrete evidence" can you provide that "Whooter" is telling the truth? Can you provide any evidence at all?
Yes, his word. Period. He said he is not lying, you have not proved he is. He helped a women getting her ass kicked verbally. I would think you would be cheering him.
Danny B II - Instead of calling the rest of liars, and trying to suppress the FACT that your friend John Reuben AKA "Whooter" was caught lying red-handed, maybe for once, just this once - you could try actually proving what you've said. I know it's wishful thinking on my part, but then again who knows, maybe you'll suprise me (although I highly doubt it).
You are a liar SOS, you prove this everytime you post. You take a post that had nothing to do with you, you folks asked a question why he said something that was not actually a valid point he answers the question with, this is why I did it. Is this good enough no, you have to lie, yes tell a bald face lie and say that, Whooter, "lied" to everyone about his children.
This is none of your business a mans family, whatever your reasons. Next reason your a liar, is your motivation behind embellishing this story, it is none other then to hurt him and embarrass him along with his family.
Your a sad individual, SOS, and if in fact all these accusations your hurling at Whooter are true, your no better. Look at yourself, your abusing the shit out of someone and feel justified to do it. Just like the staff, you are acting just like a staff member. Yah, lets get Whooter up in front of the room and humiliate him, make him bleed.
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Oh man Danny B II, where do I begin? I must really be getting to you, for you to be personally attacking me like this. So wait, according to you - Now I'm the Liar and "A sad individual"? Now who has regressed to name calling like some 13 year old?
Your "concrete evidence" is John Reuben's aka "whooter's" word that he's not lying? Are
you joking? The word of a liar is not "concrete evidence" at all! The first thing every liar says
after being busted is - "No I wasn't lying." :roflmao:
C'mon man, can't you do any better than that? By the way dipshit - Fornits is a public forum. I'm the public, and I have a right to respond to everything that's posted here. Obviously, I'm not the only poster here who knows that John Reuben aka "Whooter" lies. You know that obviously - because you're sparring with everyone on this thread who says Whooter lies, which includes everyone but yourself! Stop trying to censor everyone because we won't agree with your nonsensical ramblings.
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DB - I have never professed to know who anyone is, posted an address, threatened anyone, impersonated someone or adopted aliases to obfuscate; I have never accused anyone of anything that occurred off site. (The van incident, for example - I have no idea what happened and have never accused you of anything.) Whooter has said unforgivably horrible things about me that have nothing to do with board interactions. The fact you support his lies show a serious lack of personal integrity. I don't know why this is okay with you. I am surprised because one of your friends on this board is an extremely beneficent, spiritual, and upstanding human being. I myself have been inspired by his words and experiences. Maybe you should take a tip from him. I think he might be a better person to emulate than your current idol.
Y'all, just don't get where I am coming from and try your damnest not to. Samara, in the last month I have heard you say some horrible things about Whooter, with no corroboration but your buddies saying them too. I have one thing I look up too and that is God, as I understand him. I try to emulate no one.
I will never tolerate anyone being railroaded or attacked while I can help, I don't care if all you hate him. I have said some very bad things on this board under duress, not making excuses nor proud of them. People can be very cruel, especially program people, it has been my experience.
I can not understand you Samara, I tried. I have tried with others here also, I believe you are jaded and you cover it up with kids, college and lifestyles and but it is still there. A point; look at how many of you are in the mental/emotional health field, just about everyone. You are all experts on what happened to you, yet you all (my opinion) are still missing one thing, normal. You don't know what normal, is.
Stick 10 program people in a room with a vase filled with "normal" and they would all kill themselves trying to get it.
One blessed thing about Whooter, he knows normal, he does normal everyday, he talks normal, he thinks normal.
Most of us knew from day one we weren't normal and everyday since that day we have been trying to convince ourselves we are.
Well we aren't and that is normal.
Peace
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Look at yourself, your abusing the shit out of someone and feel justified to do it.
Yeah that's right, I'm abusing the shit out of the abuser: John Reuben AKA Whooter, who not only abused his own child, but continues to be an outspoken advocate of abusing other people's children well. Oh yeah, Mr. Reuben has also heavily invested in and continues to profit financially from at least (1) such abusive program.
You're damn straight I feel justified! Does it hurt??? :twofinger:
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I can't really believe anyone would even do something like that. Sure, maybe embellish a little here and there....
So why do you think it is okay for survivors to embellish their stories? Yet you find what I did so bad? My motive was to help a woman and her son. People like yourself have always been a curious to me. There are people who come on here for information on programs and the industry and they encounter people like yourself, Yeoman, who embellish their stories and cry abuse which to me is the same as lying.
Why cant you just be honest and tell it straight out the way it is? Why the double standard?
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SOS,
Read my posts, then read yours. You will see a difference, I am not attacking you. You asked me a question, I answered it. Part of my response included in its answer, was calling you a liar. Well that was my answer. I do believe you to be a liar.
You are angry and agitated and I do not believe in control of yourself. Which allows you to act out in a irresponsible manner.
Case in point; this topic/thread.
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As a matter of fact there are many here which if we allowed Psy to string your posts together, we would see that you had done the same thing. Most of you probably had the same intentions as Whooter, to help someone else who was being railroaded.
Actually, as far as I'm concerned there is no "matter of fact" about it. Unlike your friend John Reuben AKA "Whooter", I don't use sock puppets. My posts are readily available for all to see. Simply search posts made by the user named "Son Of Serbia", and you will find everything I've ever said on this website. And no, I've never needed to lie in order to "help someone being railroaded." I've always found that telling the truth is the most effective method for supporting my views.
We don't know this to be true, at all. You could have posted under the guest option. See, your expecting all of us to take you at your word. You could be a liar.
I choose not to think so in this case, I believe you. Because in this one case I think we stand side by side, we want people to know it was us speaking.
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SOS,
Read my posts, then read yours. You will see a difference, I am not attacking you. You asked me a question, I answered it. Part of my response included in its answer, was calling you a liar. Well that was my answer. I do believe you to be a liar.
You are angry and agitated and I do not believe in control of yourself. Which allows you to act out in a irresponsible manner.
Case in point; this topic/thread.
Huh? So wait, you can call me names and that's Okay, but I make fun of you - it means
that I'm "irresponsible" and "regressed to 13 years old"? Okay I get it. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
CAN YOU SAY DOUBLE STANDARDS?
Well what can you expect from a programmie sheep like Danny B II? That's my answer.
I do believe that you are a programmie sheep, Danny B II. And you're a hypocrite too!
I'm glad we understand each other. Ciao.
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We don't know this to be true, at all. You could have posted under the guest option. See, your expecting all of us to take you at your word. You could be a liar.
I choose not to think so in this case, I believe you. Because in this one case I think we stand side by side, we want people to know it was us speaking.[/b]
Well, unlike you're pal John Reuben AKA "Whooter" - No one has ever proven that I lied on
this forum. Big difference there. That's why my word is actually worth something, and
"Whooters" isn't. Get it? Probably not, considering that your world is defined by double standards - Danny B II.
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Too many for even a bear:
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We don't know this to be true, at all. You could have posted under the guest option. See, your expecting all of us to take you at your word. You could be a liar.
I choose not to think so in this case, I believe you. Because in this one case I think we stand side by side, we want people to know it was us speaking.[/b]
Well, unlike you're pal John Reuben AKA "Whooter" - No one has ever proven that I lied on
this forum. Big difference there. That's why my word is actually worth something, and
"Whooters" isn't. Get it? Probably not, considering that your world defined by double standards - Danny B II.
Who said your word is worth anything, no one. I don't really think your saying much by that comment anyway. Because you just lied again and you are not even aware of it.
My world has one standard and that is a grown man does not purposely and willfully injure another man out of prejudice.
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WY wrote:
Totally agree with this assessment. I can no longer believe anything that Whooter has posted because if he'd lie about something so big and important like having a child he doesn't have then what else wouldn't he lie about? I can see his :shamrock: li'l sidekick :shamrock: is getting upset when the truth comes out. He shouldn't idolize fabricators like this Whooter guy if he doesn't want to be disappointed in the results.
Now I'm wondering about the other "success stories" here. Are they fake? Are they also written by Whooter? Any way you cut it up it makes the "pro-program" cheerleaders look terrible when the head cheerleader gets her skirt pulled up to reveal her dong. It's unfathomable why someone would fake having a child that went to a program.
The only lying and disrespect going on here is Ursus and yourself and the prejudice you have against a certain member named Whooter.
Enjoy your time here.
This type of behavior where you target a member of the group for hate, disrespect, and to censor is exactly what goes on in programs an schools as you folks attest to. This is what we talk about here endlessly.
Why Ursus and Watchful Yoeman would want to foster such behavior is troubling to members here. We have threads in a non-moderated forum called "OFFA" where people can accuse anybody of anything or take out of context anything anyone says. As a matter of fact we already have one the has Whooters name on it already.
People who read here don't be mislead by people who are selfish and persuaded by vindictiveness.
Actually Danny B II, the only "predjudice" that has been demonstrated here is that PEOPLE HATE BEING LIED TO and consequently MOST PEOPLE HATE LIARS (I say most, because apparently you yourself admire liars).
Your friend John Reuben has been exposed as the LIAR that he is. Consequently, those of us that JOHN REUBEN LIED TO, have every right to discuss the PROVEN LIES he told, as well as
compare notes concerning what else John Reuben most likely lied about.
That's what happens when someone gets caught telling lies, Danny B II. Naturally, everything John Reuben has said is now open to scrutiny. You insist that we all should accept John's explaination of why he lied, and leave it at that. Why on earth should we accept the
word of John Reuben at face value, when we've already proven that he lies? Your logic make no sense what-so-ever.
What did Whooter lie about, who was he lying to. Really, what we are talking about here, is your oppression, on people you do not like. You fabricate the story however you want. The discussion, Whooter had, had nothing to do with you, he was coming to the aid of a women, who was being verbally mauled by guests. I would have done the same thing and for all we know since your posts from back when have not been strung together, you could have done the same thing.
As a matter of fact there are many here which if we allowed Psy to string your posts together, we would see that you had done the same thing. Most of you probably had the same intentions as Whooter, to help someone else who was being railroaded.
:shamrock: L'il sidekick :shamrock: , I think it's quite obvious to all that if Whooter were indeed "coming to the aid of a woman who was being mauled by guests" the proper course of action would have been for Whooter to log in and simply state "I think it's wrong for you guys to do this. Hear the woman out." Instead, Whooter made up an entirely fabricated "family story" while posting as a "guest" including a fictitious child that did not attend the program being discussed and held this out as a "program success story."
Two things stand out about this right away. One, spinning the yarn that this action was to come to the aid of another poster is a desperate attempt to justify getting snagged in a web of lies and its very apparent to anyone reading these posts. Two, anyone who would invent a "family history of program success" complete with an entirely nonexistent, invented child as the ceterpiece of the story and representing the "program success story" is simply crazy. Normal people don't do things like this. Instead they say "Hey, knock it off, you idiots. Let this lady talk. Please, worriedannie, just ignore those guys and tell us your story."
With the admitted fact that Whooter invented his entire family to try to deceive people reading this forum about programs one should not ever take anything he says without explicit proof of its veracity. That's just standard SOP when you know you have been presented with an unmitigated liar. :shamrock: Li'l sidekick's :shamrock: argument fails on this premise and Whooter's explanation isn't at all believable.
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:shamrock: L'il sidekick :shamrock: , I think it's quite obvious to all that if Whooter were indeed "coming to the aid of a woman who was being mauled by guests" the proper course of action would have been for Whooter to log in and simply state "I think it's wrong for you guys to do this. Hear the woman out." Instead, Whooter made up an entirely fabricated "family story" while posting as a "guest" including a fictitious child that did not attend the program being discussed and held this out as a "program success story."
Two things stand out about this right away. One, spinning the yarn that this action was to come to the aid of another poster is a desperate attempt to justify getting snagged in a web of lies and its very apparent to anyone reading these posts. Two, anyone who would invent a "family history of program success" complete with an entirely nonexistent, invented child as the ceterpiece of the story and representing the "program success story" is simply crazy. Normal people don't do things like this. Instead they say "Hey, knock it off, you idiots. Let this lady talk. Please, worriedannie, just ignore those guys and tell us your story."
With the admitted fact that Whooter invented his entire family to try to deceive people reading this forum about programs one should not ever take anything he says without explicit proof of its veracity. That's just standard SOP when you know you have been presented with an unmitigated liar. :shamrock: Li'l sidekick's :shamrock: argument fails on this premise and Whooter's explanation isn't at all believable.
Yup. I kept asking that too and never did get a straight answer.
SOS,
Read my posts, then read yours. You will see a difference, I am not attacking you. You asked me a question, I answered it. Part of my response included in its answer, was calling you a liar. Well that was my answer. I do believe you to be a liar.
You are angry and agitated and I do not believe in control of yourself. Which allows you to act out in a irresponsible manner.
Case in point; this topic/thread.
Huh? So wait, you can call me names and that's Okay, but I make fun of you - it means
that I'm "irresponsible" and "regressed to 13 years old"? Okay I get it. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
CAN YOU SAY DOUBLE STANDARDS?
Well what can you expect from a programmie sheep like Danny B II? That's my answer.
I do believe that you are a programmie sheep, Danny B II. And you're a hypocrite too!
I'm glad we understand each other. Ciao.
Welcome to my world. ::)
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I thought I had seen it all until this morning. That is, until I saw the most die-hard program pusher here admit to making up having a daughter that "did well" in "her program" and admit he actually never had a daughter but rather a son in a program. That shit is weird, man! Here's the guy who calls everyone a liar when they talk about their own personal experiences admitting he invented his whole family and their "successes" to boot.
Speaking of wilderness programs and sex, it happens all the time... at least when I was there it did. Its not like they handed out condoms so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the girls go home from wilderness with a whole new set of issues brewing inside them. I never saw a wild tribe like orgy until I was in wilderness, and don't think the staff don't join in. Parents have no idea what happens out there, it was insane.
Thanks guest,I knew it wasnt as bad as people were saying here. The kids do have fun on these trips, I kind of thought that.
Your welcome, my son really liked it and would like to become a counselor some day which has motivated him to study harder.
Face it.....you got busted buddy boy.
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I admit that, Anne, but read through the thread and see what they did to this woman "worried Anne" and calling her son gay and pretending to be survivors with her son.
I dont see it as being wrong at all. I feel sorry for the woman. I would probably do it again if the situation warranted.
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Does anyone else here feel the need to invent whole new lives so they can use their inventions to support their POV or market their products?
I no longer will believe anything "Whooter" has to say around here. This shit is beyond! Of course he also says he'd "do it again" if it suited his agenda. A more direct example of program-think could not be found, IMHO.
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DannyB II wrote:
SOS,
Read my posts, then read yours. You will see a difference, I am not attacking you. You asked me a question, I answered it. Part of my response included in its answer, was calling you a liar. Well that was my answer. I do believe you to be a liar.
You are angry and agitated and I do not believe in control of yourself. Which allows you to act out in a irresponsible manner.
Case in point; this topic/thread.
Son Of Serbia wrote:
Huh? So wait, you can call me names and that's Okay, but I make fun of you - it means
that I'm "irresponsible" and "regressed to 13 years old"? Okay I get it. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
CAN YOU SAY DOUBLE STANDARDS?
Well what can you expect from a programmie sheep like Danny B II? That's my answer.
I do believe that you are a programmie sheep, Danny B II. And you're a hypocrite too!
I'm glad we understand each other. Ciao.
SOS, when I respond to a post an accuse you of being a liar, being irresponsible and acting as if you are a regressed 13 yr.old, I would not call this name calling, in the context I'm referring to these behaviors.
Go back an read your posts, you will be able to understand why I am characterizing you this way.
You are looking for me to call you names but I am not. All I am doing is showing you how your behavior looks.
My ability to have patience with you is waning, so therefore I am handing over the floor to you, it is all yours, Pal. I find that all your male homosexual innuendo and false bravado is boorish and frankly I am sick of people such as yourself. You are extremely immature my man, hope you find a way to grow up.
Take care.
P.S. This goes for Watchful Yoemen also, hope you find what you are looking for here.
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:shamrock: Li'l sidekick :shamrock: , can you tell us about how your homophobic posts relate to what you learned at New Warrior Training? Were you involved with "The Cock" and "Dick Grabbing" in the sweat lodge? I'm just trying to understand where your anger is coming from.
Anne, did :shamrock: Li'l sidekick :shamrock: actually do this New Warriors Training (http://http://www.bloggernews.net/111775)? :shamrock: Li'l sidekick :shamrock: gets freaky-deaky.
-Blindfolded walking tours in the nude;
-People blowing sage smoke in his face while 50 or so naked men danced around candles;
-Men sitting naked in a circle discussing their sexual histories while passing a wooden dildo called “The Cock”;
-Naked men beating cooked chickens with a hammer.
Hey, pass me The Cock and that chicken, will ya?
:eek: :nods:
"New Warriors Training"...Oh, :shamrock: Li'l sidekick :shamrock: you have some strange beliefs.
They were all in the sweat lodge on Sunday,” she says, “which he actually enjoyed. It was the first moment he had to relax in days after going through such a high-drama weekend where they pound you to reveal your deep, dark stuff. So, everyone was sitting Indian-style in a big circle in the lodge when the man leading the group said, ‘If you wish, you may reach over and grab your brother’s dick. If your brother doesn’t want your hand there, he can remove it.’ Well, my husband told me he just froze. And from that point on, he just wanted out.
Whoa.
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I thought I had seen it all until this morning. That is, until I saw the most die-hard program pusher here admit to making up having a daughter that "did well" in "her program" and admit he actually never had a daughter but rather a son in a program. That shit is weird, man! Here's the guy who calls everyone a liar when they talk about their own personal experiences admitting he invented his whole family and their "successes" to boot.
Then we read where Watchful Yeoman admitted that he embellishes his posts and has admitted that he has posted here for several years yet needed to take on a new name when sock puppets were outlawed. As far as Son of Serbia, well he claimed earlier in this thread that he never lied... (Brings back memories of Dysfunction Junction prior to him being exposed doesnt it?). Anyway lets not point fingers just look at Serbs own words:
This just a sample of what we have found:
Son Of Serbia wrote:
please don't not refer to me as "deranged", i prefer the term "eccentric". And i am not a biggot either, check my posts, you will see that i haven't called anyone a faggot.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=55867#p55867)
In another post son of Serbia writes:
The only faggot I see on this site is you!
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6319&p=57954&hilit=faggot#p57954)
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WY wrote:
Totally agree with this assessment. I can no longer believe anything that Whooter has posted because if he'd lie about something so big and important like having a child he doesn't have then what else wouldn't he lie about? I can see his :shamrock: li'l sidekick :shamrock: is getting upset when the truth comes out. He shouldn't idolize fabricators like this Whooter guy if he doesn't want to be disappointed in the results.
Now I'm wondering about the other "success stories" here. Are they fake? Are they also written by Whooter? Any way you cut it up it makes the "pro-program" cheerleaders look terrible when the head cheerleader gets her skirt pulled up to reveal her dong. It's unfathomable why someone would fake having a child that went to a program.
The only lying and disrespect going on here is Ursus and yourself and the prejudice you have against a certain member named Whooter.
Enjoy your time here.
This type of behavior where you target a member of the group for hate, disrespect, and to censor is exactly what goes on in programs an schools as you folks attest to. This is what we talk about here endlessly.
Why Ursus and Watchful Yoeman would want to foster such behavior is troubling to members here. We have threads in a non-moderated forum called "OFFA" where people can accuse anybody of anything or take out of context anything anyone says. As a matter of fact we already have one the has Whooters name on it already.
People who read here don't be mislead by people who are selfish and persuaded by vindictiveness.
Sorry, Danny, at least as far as *my* words are concerned, I can safely say they do not arise from "vindictiveness." I actually feel kinda sorry for the guy.
To my mind, a large part of Whooter's continued goading, tormenting, and sparring with other fornits posters belongs to a deep-seated pathological need to recreate his former dysfunctional family life. A family life which he, unfortunately, no longer has.
Just my two cents on it, fwiw... I could be wrong!
I think you're right. This is a very astute analysis of Whooter.
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This is a very astute analysis .....
Man, TheWho is really pushing the gay slurs, but also letting us know he fantasies of being gay. He seems very conflicted over his sexuality. On one hand he deameans the idea of homosexuality and on the other he puts out there his desire for anal sex with people (and dogs) and to lick boys' bottoms. How very weird. No wonder his kid was so screwed up and his wife left him flat!
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=335422#p335422)
DJ/Control Troll does have a sickness within him.
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Exactly! Back then you pushing the gay slurs as an anon, but we saw right though your gay-bashing trolling and called you out on it. When your posts were linked up, it was "Oops!" and you were exposed. Turns out we were right all along.
This conclusion was very accurate right in the beginning before we even saw all he facts and the latest post you authored on the topic of homosexuality really put the finishing touches on the big picture of your views on gays. Here, check it out:
Back in the 1960's the word Gay was a slur. They were not accepted at all and were referred to as fruit cakes or as a birth defect of some type. They would marry woman and have kids because that was what was accepted of men in those days. They started having sex with each other in San Fransisco which caused the Aids Virus which proved that homosexuality was unnatural and needed to be treated like a disease.
That's some pretty heavy-duty bigotry they teach about gays in the program and the "Whooter Household" (if there really even is one, j/k lols), huh?
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Exactly! Back then you pushing the gay slurs as an anon, but we saw right though your gay-bashing trolling and called you out on it. When your posts were linked up, it was "Oops!" and you were exposed. Turns out we were right all along.
This conclusion was very accurate right in the beginning before we even saw all he facts and the latest post you authored on the topic of homosexuality really put the finishing touches on the big picture of your views on gays. Here, check it out:
Back in the 1960's the word Gay was a slur. They were not accepted at all and were referred to as fruit cakes or as a birth defect of some type. They would marry woman and have kids because that was what was accepted of men in those days. They started having sex with each other in San Fransisco which caused the Aids Virus which proved that homosexuality was unnatural and needed to be treated like a disease.
That's some pretty heavy-duty bigotry they teach about gays in the program and the "Whooter Household" (if there really even is one, j/k lols), huh?
I stand behind my post, DJ, its the way it was back in the 1960's. I dont think it is something we should try to bury. It was the roots of the gay movement, this mis information was part of what drove the movement to educate the public and gays started to fight their way into main steam society.
DJ you should not be afraid to talk about this. Its the way it was. If you feel my assessment was wrong how do you think gays were viewed in the 1960's/1970's/ 1980's etc.?
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I thought I had seen it all until this morning. That is, until I saw :
Here take a look at Son of Serbias own words. There are hundreds of lies in this forum from him:
please don't not refer to me as "deranged", i prefer the term "eccentric". And i am not a biggot either, check my posts, you will see that i haven't called anyone a faggot.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=55867#p55867)
In another post son of Serbia writes:
The only faggot I see on this site is you!
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6319&p=57954&hilit=faggot#p57954)
So what is this about you never being caught lying on this forum? Seems the ones that get so pissed at others lying are the biggest liars themselves.
Watchful Yeoman I wouldnt be too quick to point fingers at Son of Serbia and judge others on this forum. There are links to posts where you have admitted lying yourself. Why do you people get so bent out of shape when people are doing the same thing you are?
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I really am a bit at a loss concerning DB's continued defense of Whooter who has told malicious lies about people. I'm not sure why DB doesn't understand that people would rightfully object to this.
U: That is pretty generous of you to feel sorry for Whooter. He doesn't have a shred of a conscience. I have and would never do to him what he has done to me or others. It certainly doesn't honor his family, no matter who they are or where they are.
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I really am a bit at a loss concerning DB's continued defense of Whooter who has told malicious lies about people. I'm not sure why DB doesn't understand that people would rightfully object to this.
U: That is pretty generous of you to feel sorry for Whooter. He doesn't have a shred of a conscience. I have and would never do to him what he has done to me or others. It certainly doesn't honor his family, no matter who they are or where they are.
I think we can see that your double standard comes through loud and clear, Samara. You support Son of Serbia's lies and bigotry, Watchful Yeomans admittance that he believes embellishing of survivor stories is acceptable, Dysfunction Junctions' pedophile posts, RobertBruces' black mail. If you were free from lying yourself, Samara, you would have condemned the actions of these people instead of embracing this attitude, but you have not condemned lying (well I guess anti-program people can do it) which speaks volumes I am afraid.
Your true self comes out a little more on every post. There is no need for me to point it out as often, We are all starting to see that I was right about you from the beginning.
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To those wondering why this thread hasn't been removed:
Impersonation of parents and survivors as well as other assorted internet shenanigans are pertinent to the Troubled Teen Industry. Sue Scheff did it, WWASP representatives and parents have done it, as have other programs. There is historical precedent. While this thread does pertain to Whooter specifically, it is not an attack so much as it is simply pointing out what he has done. He's free to explain his actions and in a sense, he started it by making the post in the first place.
Please do not respond to this post. PM me or start a new thread quoting this if you want to discuss it (a good place would be "web forum hosting" or OFFA). The only reason why I bring it up at all is to explain why this thread remains.
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I really am a bit at a loss concerning DB's continued defense of Whooter who has told malicious lies about people. I'm not sure why DB doesn't understand that people would rightfully object to this.
U: That is pretty generous of you to feel sorry for Whooter. He doesn't have a shred of a conscience. I have and would never do to him what he has done to me or others. It certainly doesn't honor his family, no matter who they are or where they are.
Thanks.......I'll leave it at that.
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I'm going to have to agree with psy here. This tactic of fabricating entire families, inventing children, making up success stories is very common in program parents and program pushers. Whooter is a program pusher that pretends to have a family he does not have, nor has he ever had, in order to frame the debate in a way where he can hold out his fictitious story and nonexistent children as "program success stories." It's dishonest, but it's how he chose to present himself here. Unfortunately for Whooter, he got caught lying and was forced to admit it, so there's no going back now. From here out nobody will believe what he says because of this (and many other) enormous lies in which he has been caught. Let's be honest, if these programs actually worked or produced results, their proponents wouldn't be reduced to inventing their entire family history and fabricating children in order to show the programs work. They don't work so these people like Whooter have to lie to promote them and make sales.
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I'm going to have to agree with psy here. This tactic of fabricating entire families, inventing children, making up success stories is very common in program parents and program pushers. Whooter is a program pusher that pretends to have a family he does not have, nor has he ever had, in order to frame the debate in a way where he can hold out his fictitious story and nonexistent children as "program success stories." It's dishonest, but it's how he chose to present himself here. Unfortunately for Whooter, he got caught lying and was forced to admit it, so there's no going back now. From here out nobody will believe what he says because of this (and many other) enormous lies in which he has been caught. Let's be honest, if these programs actually worked or produced results, their proponents wouldn't be reduced to inventing their entire family history and fabricating children in order to show the programs work. They don't work so these people like Whooter have to lie to promote them and make sales.
Yeah, that really is it. They know programs can't hold up to the scrutiny, so they send in someone to do damage control on the sites that expose their methods. Or, the person decided (like Sue Scheff and, I believe, Whooter/Reuben) to make some money off of it so they come here to protect their own monetary interest because they know that Fornits has an impact, no matter how much they put it down. If Fornits wasn't having an impact, they wouldn't feel the need to be here day after day after day after day, making up pretend families and defending and spinning this bullshit.
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Totally agree, Anne. Then, when they lose the argument anyway, even though they carefully crafted entire fake families to support their position, the real nasty stuff starts to come out; the "true self" as Whooter called it.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=25628&start=30#p345022 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=25628&start=30#p345022)
If your point is to just post laws, well, thats easy. There are thousands of them. I didnt see where the law you posted was written for AARC. The one posted pertains to people like yourself who abuse their kids sexually. At least mine has some credibility.
A. Nothing you say, "Whooter" has "credibility." I think everyone recognizes that.
B. When we look at "pedophile posts" look who is behind them all. You guessed it, "Whooter."
When Whooter was carefully boxed in and fooled by RobertBruce into linking up his posts that's when all of this "hidden" information about Whooter started to pour out. What has been linked to Whooter is his "true self" coming out only he seems to wish it never did and I can see why!
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So when a survivor or anti program person pretends to be a child in another program and lies about being abused this is acceptable? Now that we have established that survivors are willing to lie and embellish their stories how do we know which ones are credible?
This is something we should discuss also.
Yes, TheWho personally abused me. And now I'm scarred for life. He performed several red-flag touches on the area my bathing suit covers. I tried to turn him in, but ASR wouldn't let me use the phone and told my parents I was a liar. TheWho molested me.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=338417#p338417)
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The only trouble with your post is that I am not "Dysfunction Junction." When I checked that link, it clearly doesn't have my name on it. That's dishonest. This sheds more light on your pattern of lying though.
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So when a survivor or anti program person pretends to be a child in another program and lies about being abused this is acceptable? Now that we (that's a no no!) have established that survivors are willing to lie and embellish their stories how do we know which ones are credible?
That has never been established. Your pretend family, however, has been and you've admitted to doing it and say that you would do it again.
I've never lied nor have I embellished anything about the abuse heaped upon myself and thousands of others at Straight. Ever. Hell, there was no need to.....it was bad enough on it's own.
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So when a survivor or anti program person pretends to be a child in another program and lies about being abused this is acceptable? Now that we (that's a no no!) have established that survivors are willing to lie and embellish their stories how do we know which ones are credible?
That has never been established. Your pretend family, however, has been and you've admitted to doing it and say that you would do it again.
I've never lied nor have I embellished anything about the abuse heaped upon myself and thousands of others at Straight. Ever. Hell, there was no need to.....it was bad enough on it's own.
I have never admitted to having a pretend family, making up a daughter etc. I made a post indicating I had a son to protect a woman posting here. If you want to continue to lie about it then its only fair that others can also. Lets keep it fair.
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I've never lied nor have I embellished anything about the abuse heaped upon myself and thousands of others at Straight.
Dysfunction Junction made the same claims until we (myself and fornits) exposed him. We just dont know at this point and cant be sure. Look at Son of Serbia who claimed he never called anyone a faggot?
I am just a little cautious on who I believe at this point, Anne.
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So when a survivor or anti program person pretends to be a child in another program and lies about being abused this is acceptable? Now that we (that's a no no!) have established that survivors are willing to lie and embellish their stories how do we know which ones are credible?
That has never been established. Your pretend family, however, has been and you've admitted to doing it and say that you would do it again.
I've never lied nor have I embellished anything about the abuse heaped upon myself and thousands of others at Straight. Ever. Hell, there was no need to.....it was bad enough on it's own.
Exactly, Anne. And he also pretended to be a kid in a program, too. Don't forget that.
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12902&p=344859#p344859 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12902&p=344859#p344859)
I just recently left Aspen Ranch (during the July parent week), graduating as a Rider. I was there for over 16 months! The substance abuse counselor was my primary therapist! I had a lot of problems going there, personal as well as a fucked up family. I've now ben home for 3 months and am doing great. I haven't relapsed or really even considered it.
Aspen was a great place! We didn't get pizza from the local place once a week, but we did get it on parent week and for special occasions. The food wasn't great but it was certainly bearable (and I'm picky!). The staff was AWESOME (most anyways), they were very caring and devoted. There have been MANY changes in staff and rules in the past 6 months there as well, so check it out! Sure I had my rough times, everyone does! I would defenitely recommend it if you're kids having a rough time, but be sure to check it out before to see if you think your kid would be a good fit.
And to whoever posted about seeing kids doing pull-ups with a man with a radio....he was the personal trainer! I was in Personal Training for over a year there and it helped a lot! I've never heard a complaint about PT, kids can sign up for an extra fee through a past navy seal who really pushes you hard! And there's a LONG waiting list.
Thanks, and please no one tell me I'm lying....when I left I was 2nd in seniority out of everyone there at the time! And to those parents who have kids there now...I wouldn't doubt if I knew them!
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I've never lied nor have I embellished anything about the abuse heaped upon myself and thousands of others at Straight.
Dysfunction Junction made the same claims until we (myself and fornits) exposed him. We just dont know at this point and cant be sure. Look at Son of Serbia who claimed he never called anyone a faggot?
I am just a little cautious on who I believe at this point, Anne.
Well, you've accused me of embellishing. When I asked you to provide a link, you refused..
And SOS's use of the term "faggot" wasn't as you're presenting, but we've gotten used to you twisting our words around.
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The whole point of this thread is that Whooter created a fake family and got caught lying and admitted it. He can't twist his own words on the subject.
I admit that, Anne.
It's unambiguous that Whooter confessed to inventing his family as a "program success" marketing tool.
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The whole point of this thread is that Whooter created a fake family and got caught lying and admitted it. He can't twist his own words on the subject.
To keep it in perspective we shouldn't leave out the fact that this is mild compared to what the anti-program group does. They create stories of abuse and pretend they attended programs that they didn't just to discredit the school like this one. This is just one of many:
Yes, TheWho personally abused me. And now I'm scarred for life. He performed several red-flag touches on the area my bathing suit covers. I tried to turn him in, but ASR wouldn't let me use the phone and told my parents I was a liar. TheWho molested me.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=338417#p338417)
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The whole point of this thread is that Whooter created a fake family and got caught lying and admitted it. He can't twist his own words on the subject.
To keep it in perspective we shouldn't leave out the fact that this is mild compared to what the anti-program group does. They create stories of abuse and pretend they attended programs that they didn't just to discredit the school like this one. This is just one of many:
Yes, TheWho personally abused me. And now I'm scarred for life. He performed several red-flag touches on the area my bathing suit covers. I tried to turn him in, but ASR wouldn't let me use the phone and told my parents I was a liar. TheWho molested me.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=338417#p338417)
I don't think you're gonna get too far comparing an obvious and long running joke here, to your outright making up of a family and your outright impersonation of a "student".
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I don't think you're gonna get too far comparing an obvious and long running joke here, to your outright making up of a family and your outright impersonation of a "student".
I dont mind, I think we can let the readers decide. We all have a sense of humor, myself included. Impersonating a survivor in a program and making up claims that he was abused at ASR isnt a joke. That will be a hard sell.
If you accept these types of fabrications, anne,then you throw into question your own story imo.
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Whooter has been impersonating a lot of people here, apparently. There's a list of his aliases on another thread. He has about 50 of them ranging from a parent of program kid, to a program kid, to a program staff, to a research scientist. He covers all of the bases with his fake identities and fake families. But yes, to your point, a silly gag on a troll thread ("TheWho") is nothing like inventing an entire family complete with fake children, etc. There's no equivalency there.
That's no to mention how he accuses everyone who proves he's lying of being a pedophile which he has done to many posters here like ajax13 and Samara.
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I don't think you're gonna get too far comparing an obvious and long running joke here, to your outright making up of a family and your outright impersonation of a "student".
I dont mind, I think we can let the readers decide. We all have a sense of humor, myself included. Impersonating a survivor in a program and making up claims that he was abused at ASR isnt a joke.
The "red touched" post?
If you accept these types of fabrications, anne,then you throw into question your own story imo.
Those "fabrications"? The "red flag" joke?
I don't care how much you question my "story". I know it's true and, deep down, so do you. You might not believe it about other programs, but I do think you believe it about Straight. You just try and throw doubt in there for the benefit of others reading, hoping it'll catch on with them.
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I don't care how much you question my "story". I know it's true and, deep down, so do you. You might not believe it about other programs, but I do think you believe it about Straight. You just try and throw doubt in there for the benefit of others reading, hoping it'll catch on with them.
I really dont care what others think either. We all know ourselves and what our individual stories are. You try to keep supporting that I fabricated a son for other reasons than the ones I described to you. You do this to try to throw doubt for the benefit of the readers. Why do you do this? and why wouldnt the readers believe you are capable of allowing other untruths slip by about your time in straight?
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I really dont care what others think either.
Then why did you make up your fake family?
I fabricated a son
Yes, we know, but your reasoning doesn't add up. If you weren't trying to sway opinions, why did you fabricate the son? What else have you fabricated?
and why wouldnt the readers believe you are capable of allowing other untruths slip by about your time in straight?
Oh, I don't know, maybe because she hasn't been caught fabricating a family? See, the difference is you are speculating about Anne, but there is incontrovertible proof that you made up a fake family. There's a huge difference there. You try to create doubt by speculation with no evidence and Anne just quotes you where you admitted making up a whole fake family which doesn't require speculation but creates strong doubt in the reader, as it should.
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I don't care how much you question my "story". I know it's true and, deep down, so do you. You might not believe it about other programs, but I do think you believe it about Straight. You just try and throw doubt in there for the benefit of others reading, hoping it'll catch on with them.
I really dont care what others think either. We all know ourselves and what our individual stories are. You try to keep supporting that I fabricated a son for other reasons than the ones I described to you.
You say it was to defend this woman. I've said that I don't understand how changing the gender of the child(ren) you sent away accomplishes this.
You do this to try to throw doubt for the benefit of the readers. Why do you do this? and why wouldnt the readers believe you are capable of allowing other untruths slip by about your time in straight?
"other" untruths? First provide ANY untruth that I have knowingly stated.
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You say it was to defend this woman. I've said that I don't understand how changing the gender of the child(ren) you sent away accomplishes this.
If you notice from the "Worried Anne" discussion that the posters thought that I was posting as her. So if I said I had a daughter in a wilderness program people would have sensed it was me posting, whereas saying I had a son didnt pose that much of a risk. although they caught on anyway lol.
But that was my thinking at the time.
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You say it was to defend this woman. I've said that I don't understand how changing the gender of the child(ren) you sent away accomplishes this.
If you notice from the "Worried Anne" discussion that the posters thought that I was posting as her. So if I said I had a daughter in a wilderness program people would have sensed it was me posting, whereas saying I had a son didnt pose that much of a risk. although they caught on anyway lol.
Which is why it's difficult for me to believe that your reasoning was to defend this woman. Your posts are pretty easy to spot.
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You say it was to defend this woman. I've said that I don't understand how changing the gender of the child(ren) you sent away accomplishes this.
If you notice from the "Worried Anne" discussion that the posters thought that I was posting as her. So if I said I had a daughter in a wilderness program people would have sensed it was me posting, whereas saying I had a son didnt pose that much of a risk. although they caught on anyway lol.
Which is why it's difficult for me to believe that your reasoning was to defend this woman. Your posts are pretty easy to spot.
Well not really because they thought I was worried Anne and a few other posters and it turned out they were wrong. First of all it was a program parent and did you read what they were saying about her son? I think you know me enough to know that I would intercede where I could to help balance the scales.
But in any event I feel comfortable enough with my posts and know why I posted it.
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Some context about Whooter's "fabricated son."
Its a forgone conclusion that you have lied many times here on fornits, Anne, based on your own logic.
Well, there's a bit of a problem with Whooter's "logic" here. Whooter is trying to use Anne's logic to draw conclusions that Anne has "lied" about her experiences. He's free to theorize whatever he likes, even though we all see right away he could not provide any example of Anne's alleged "lying."
However, we don't need to make logical deductions that Whooter lied here on Fornits. All we need is his own words to prove without doubt he is a liar. No analogies, no twisted "logic" are required. We simply quote Whooter's own posts where he admits being a liar.
I fabricated a son
That's a pretty hefty admission there. "I fabricated a son." Wow. If Whooter would fabricate his imaginary family, what else wouldn't he fabricate? This is why Whooter has no credibility. He already admitted he's a liar. This is just one instance of many that have been proven.
I fabricated a son
I admit that, Anne.
And as far as "pedophile posts" go, well, Whooter is up to his neck in accusing people of being pedophiles around here as well.
Now go spend some time with your kid. Turn off the porn and let him have a normal childhood for a change. If you read to him he may forget how you abuse him.
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why are you obsessed with this JD guy? It isnt going to help you keep your son or erase what you do to him each night. We both know that yet you keep throwing personal attacks at other people hoping the pain will go away.
You are sick Ajax13. Stop molesting and abusing your son. Just because this poster proved you wrong is no reason to take it out on your own family. Its only a forum. Leave your kid in peace.
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If your point is to just post laws, well, thats easy. There are thousands of them. I didnt see where the law you posted was written for AARC. The one posted pertains to people like yourself who abuse their kids sexually. At least mine has some credibility.
And speaking of "credibility" here is a list compiled by "Troll Control" of Whooter's aliases he has used to post on Fornits.
Whooter’s aliases:
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
Rudy Bentz (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28962&start=15#p348150)
Heal Online (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28989&p=348683#p348690)
Margaret Wilson
Revenge Fantasy Girlz
Diddle
Robert Hess
Ajax13.
Tom K
Aghast.
Marion
To me, and probably all of the other readers here, it looks like Whooter has been by far the most dishonest poster. It appears all he has left is to try to attack others because his behavior here is very, very shady to say the least. Readers should know this context and these proven facts before rendering their judgment on Whooter's excuses for all of his dishonesty.
More on Whooter's dishonesty and aliases here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975#p374568) and here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29342&p=379350#p379350).
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Awwww,, I am sorry I outed you again, Dysfunction Junction, Troll Control, Watchful Yeoman (this months names). Everytime I out you you get mad and start posting long posts against me or putting more links in your footer lol. Are you not a father with a young son now? Why not grow up a bit, be a man and stand up for yourself and post your believes and arguments.
Why not practice facing your adversaries nose to nose and have a conversation instead of sneaking around the shadows. At least practice being a man so when your son grows up you can set an example for him.
Grab a new username if you like, drag yourself out of the "Offa" threads, come back up to the regular threads and debate the issues. Shake off some of your insecurities, boy.
@ Anne, see what I mean?
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Some context about Whooter's "fabricated son."
Its a forgone conclusion that you have lied many times here on fornits, Anne, based on your own logic.
Well, there's a bit of a problem with Whooter's "logic" here. Whooter is trying to use Anne's logic to draw conclusions that Anne has "lied" about her experiences. He's free to theorize whatever he likes, even though we all see right away he could not provide any example of Anne's alleged "lying."
However, we don't need to make logical deductions that Whooter lied here on Fornits. All we need is his own words to prove without doubt he is a liar. No analogies, no twisted "logic" are required. We simply quote Whooter's own posts where he admits being a liar.
I fabricated a son
That's a pretty hefty admission there. "I fabricated a son." Wow. If Whooter would fabricate his imaginary family, what else wouldn't he fabricate? This is why Whooter has no credibility. He already admitted he's a liar. This is just one instance of many that have been proven.
I fabricated a son
I admit that, Anne.
And as far as "pedophile posts" go, well, Whooter is up to his neck in accusing people of being pedophiles around here as well.
Now go spend some time with your kid. Turn off the porn and let him have a normal childhood for a change. If you read to him he may forget how you abuse him.
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why are you obsessed with this JD guy? It isnt going to help you keep your son or erase what you do to him each night. We both know that yet you keep throwing personal attacks at other people hoping the pain will go away.
You are sick Ajax13. Stop molesting and abusing your son. Just because this poster proved you wrong is no reason to take it out on your own family. Its only a forum. Leave your kid in peace.
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If your point is to just post laws, well, thats easy. There are thousands of them. I didnt see where the law you posted was written for AARC. The one posted pertains to people like yourself who abuse their kids sexually. At least mine has some credibility.
And speaking of "credibility" here is a list compiled by "Troll Control" of Whooter's aliases he has used to post on Fornits.
Whooter’s aliases:
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
Rudy Bentz (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28962&start=15#p348150)
Heal Online (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28989&p=348683#p348690)
Margaret Wilson
Revenge Fantasy Girlz
Diddle
Robert Hess
Ajax13.
Tom K
Aghast.
Marion
To me, and probably all of the other readers here, it looks like Whooter has been by far the most dishonest poster. It appears all he has left is to try to attack others because his behavior here is very, very shady to say the least. Readers should know this context and these proven facts before rendering their judgment on Whooter's excuses for all of his dishonesty.
More on Whooter's dishonesty and aliases here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975#p374568) and here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29342&p=379350#p379350).
Here are all of the facts we have. It's clear that people who promote programs will pretend to be anything, from a kid in a program to a program staff to a research scientist studying programs. The question really is "What hasn't Whooter lied about on Fornits?"
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I'm going to have to agree with psy here. This tactic of fabricating entire families, inventing children, making up success stories is very common in program parents and program pushers. Whooter is a program pusher that pretends to have a family he does not have, nor has he ever had, in order to frame the debate in a way where he can hold out his fictitious story and nonexistent children as "program success stories." It's dishonest, but it's how he chose to present himself here. Unfortunately for Whooter, he got caught lying and was forced to admit it, so there's no going back now. From here out nobody will believe what he says because of this (and many other) enormous lies in which he has been caught. Let's be honest, if these programs actually worked or produced results, their proponents wouldn't be reduced to inventing their entire family history and fabricating children in order to show the programs work. They don't work so these people like Whooter have to lie to promote them and make sales.
Yeah, that really is it. They know programs can't hold up to the scrutiny, so they send in someone to do damage control on the sites that expose their methods. Or, the person decided (like Sue Scheff and, I believe, Whooter/Reuben) to make some money off of it so they come here to protect their own monetary interest because they know that Fornits has an impact, no matter how much they put it down. If Fornits wasn't having an impact, they wouldn't feel the need to be here day after day after day after day, making up pretend families and defending and spinning this bullshit.
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We have found Whooter's "second son." Now we only need to know if this second one is "real" or "fabricated" as he claims the previous son was. I believe he had two sons all along, Mike (ASR, deceased) and Max (HLA), and actually fabricated his daughter. This seems more likely now that we have found the "second son."
First off I’d like to say you post a good argument and if you are the same poster on the other threads I agree with you mostly. But I would like to say that I have been reading here awhile and know for a fact that Dysfunction Junction is a good guy at heart. He just gets out of hand sometimes when he loses an argument. He worked in a program years ago and believes them to be abusive but isn’t articulate enough to express what he is feeling so he resorts to violence and name calling when he loses an argument. I saw the post where he wanted to punch you out, but again this is a result of his frustration in lack of communication skills. He has gained credibility here by telling everyone that he is a mental health professional but we all know that professionals in this field don’t resolve their differences through violence and name calling.
Give the guy some space and understand that he is frustrated and angry towards the industry.
He is not a bad guy and is just looking for people to understand what he went thru.
Thank you Peg, I think you nailed him, although, I dont think he is a mental health professional as you stated. He may work in the field but not in a professional capacity which is obvious by the way he handles conflict and communicates. He is just upset because no one wants to meet him in California, the job market is down, most people disagree with him and HLA is coming back under a new name. So, I agree with you that we all need to give him some space to vent and he then he will go back to his job search soon enough.
A friend of my son was this way. He always wanted to settle an argument by hitting people and this carried over into his adult life. To this day he cannot handle it when he is proven wrong or when people disagree with him. Violence is just ingrained in some people. Like I said I dont think this Dysfunction Junction is a bad guy he just doesnt know what to do with his anger or how to properly direct it. It is good to see people like you on here who can keep their cool.
Whoops! Whooter has another son! This one must be the real one. Unless he fabricated two of them.
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We're still waiting for Whooter's explanation of the second son he now claims to have.
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We're still waiting for Whooter's explanation of the second son he now claims to have.
Any updates? People are curious about this new "second son" and why a program parent claiming to have a daughter only has now posted about two sons.
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We're still waiting for Whooter's explanation of the second son he now claims to have.
I think the readers would get a better picture if you provided a link so that they could read a few posts after that one where you were upset that one of your many Aliases "Peg Sympson" was hijacked by "yours truly" to put an end to your trolling and you pretending to be a parent of a survivor. It becomes much clearer to the readers why I had to do the things I did.
I tracked you down on this one and shut your game down, Watchful Yeoman. lol
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=350083#p350083)
And, by the way, my name is spelled "Pegg" with two "g's" so please stop trying to hijack my identity and put your words in my mouth, Whooter. For the record, it was Whooter posing as me in the past few posts and I did not say those things. It's just another example of how cowardly he is when he can't use his won name but tries to steal other people's identities. I support the idea that Whooter and DJ settle things in the ring, like men, to raise money for the kids, but I think Whooter is really genuinely afraid of it.
When you leave the links out we know there is usually something you dont want the readers to see.
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I support the idea that Whooter and DJ settle things in the ring, like men, to raise money for the kids, but I think Whooter is really genuinely afraid of it.
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Put me down for a pair of tickets.
:poison: ::poke:: :poison:
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Whooter posted all three of these posts. He posed as "Peg Sympson" and quoted himself twice leading up to his admission that he has a second son. Let's not cloudy up the simple facts.
First off I’d like to say you post a good argument and if you are the same poster on the other threads I agree with you mostly. But I would like to say that I have been reading here awhile and know for a fact that Dysfunction Junction is a good guy at heart. He just gets out of hand sometimes when he loses an argument. He worked in a program years ago and believes them to be abusive but isn’t articulate enough to express what he is feeling so he resorts to violence and name calling when he loses an argument. I saw the post where he wanted to punch you out, but again this is a result of his frustration in lack of communication skills. He has gained credibility here by telling everyone that he is a mental health professional but we all know that professionals in this field don’t resolve their differences through violence and name calling.
Give the guy some space and understand that he is frustrated and angry towards the industry.
He is not a bad guy and is just looking for people to understand what he went thru.
Thank you Peg, I think you nailed him, although, I dont think he is a mental health professional as you stated. He may work in the field but not in a professional capacity which is obvious by the way he handles conflict and communicates. He is just upset because no one wants to meet him in California, the job market is down, most people disagree with him and HLA is coming back under a new name. So, I agree with you that we all need to give him some space to vent and he then he will go back to his job search soon enough.
A friend of my son was this way. He always wanted to settle an argument by hitting people and this carried over into his adult life. To this day he cannot handle it when he is proven wrong or when people disagree with him. Violence is just ingrained in some people. Like I said I dont think this Dysfunction Junction is a bad guy he just doesnt know what to do with his anger or how to properly direct it. It is good to see people like you on here who can keep their cool.
Since I never posted on that thread, you don't have any quotes of me saying anything. That's obvious.
People here just want to know which of the three kids in programs you claimed to have were "fabricated."
I fabricated a son
Yes, you claimed that already, too, but we don't believe you because of all the other lies. People here believe you had two sons and fabricated the daughter, not the son. Either way, you fabricated your family in order to advance your agenda here.
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Sorry, DJ/Watchful Yeoman, I already posted the link a couple of posts ago. The cats out of the bag. I see why you never post any of those links. You were caught lying again!!
Who is Peg Sympson again? lol Is that with 1 g or two g's I forget.
Here lets take another look:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=350083#p350083)
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Whooter posted all three of these posts. He posed as "Peg Sympson" and quoted himself twice leading up to his admission that he has a second son. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=350083#p350087) Let's not cloudy up the simple facts. You can see for several pages before this post Whooter was posting as "Peg Sympson" and having a running dialog with himself when he admits having another son.
First off I’d like to say you post a good argument and if you are the same poster on the other threads I agree with you mostly. But I would like to say that I have been reading here awhile and know for a fact that Dysfunction Junction is a good guy at heart. He just gets out of hand sometimes when he loses an argument. He worked in a program years ago and believes them to be abusive but isn’t articulate enough to express what he is feeling so he resorts to violence and name calling when he loses an argument. I saw the post where he wanted to punch you out, but again this is a result of his frustration in lack of communication skills. He has gained credibility here by telling everyone that he is a mental health professional but we all know that professionals in this field don’t resolve their differences through violence and name calling.
Give the guy some space and understand that he is frustrated and angry towards the industry.
He is not a bad guy and is just looking for people to understand what he went thru.
Thank you Peg, I think you nailed him, although, I dont think he is a mental health professional as you stated. He may work in the field but not in a professional capacity which is obvious by the way he handles conflict and communicates. He is just upset because no one wants to meet him in California, the job market is down, most people disagree with him and HLA is coming back under a new name. So, I agree with you that we all need to give him some space to vent and he then he will go back to his job search soon enough.
A friend of my son was this way. He always wanted to settle an argument by hitting people and this carried over into his adult life. To this day he cannot handle it when he is proven wrong or when people disagree with him. Violence is just ingrained in some people. Like I said I dont think this Dysfunction Junction is a bad guy he just doesnt know what to do with his anger or how to properly direct it. It is good to see people like you on here who can keep their cool.
Since I never posted on that thread, you don't have any quotes of me saying anything. That's obvious.
People here just want to know which of the three kids in programs you claimed to have were "fabricated."
I fabricated a son
Yes, you claimed that already, too, but we don't believe you because of all the other lies. People here believe you had two sons and fabricated the daughter, not the son. Either way, you fabricated your family in order to advance your agenda here.
So while you were posing as "Peg Sympson," before "Troll Contol" caught you trolling and put a stop to it you claimed you had a second son (besides the fabricated one I guess).
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Anyone found any more of Whooter's fabricated family members yet?
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(http://http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-08-08/1249746245455.jpg)
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Lots of Whooter fabrications below designed to promote programs or attack the credibility of abuse victims.
Link to where TheWho admits he is john Reuben (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&hilit=where+he+wanted+to+punch+you+out&start=135#p336867)
John must be too busy enSlavingTeens right now to answer.
Yes, he takes gubmint dollars (your tax dollars) and uses them to imprison youths privately at various quack-holes.
Why is that a crime? They use tax dollars for far worse things than imprisoning youths. At least they are kept safe here. Imagine if they were shipped overseas with private funding where people hate Americans. You would see abuse on a whole new level. All my work stays within the confines of the US borders... no 2nd rate programs.
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Here Whooter confirms his son went to his wife’s funeral. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&hilit=max+went+to+the+funeral&start=180#p338442)
John, why do you send kids to places like HLA where your own child was prevented from visiting his dying mom and not allowed to go to the funeral either? Why should anyone trust you? Please explain yourself.
I would really like to hear this answer.
It says it right here. And many other places.
I did read that one. But how do we know he wasnt allowed to attend the funeral?
Max went to the funeral, no need to worry. They are just trying to make programs look bad. Keep in mind you are on fornits.
How would Whooter know this? Unless, of course, as he previously admitted, he is the kid’s dad.
Here Whooter, posting anonymously until his posts were linked, accuses Ajax13 of being a porn-watching child abuser. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27219&start=105#p344359)
JD, like I said, there's nobody else here but the people trying to communicate about AARC, and you and a couple of AARColytes who have something to hide. Fornits has been useful for the exchange of information, but it's not vital. The Fifth Estate didn't find out about AARC because of Fornits. ISACCorp has been looking at them for years, and the former AARC clients who were subjected to quackery and violations of their rights in AARC are less afraid of AARC than they were in years past. Dangerous freaks like the former AARC staffer who has been harassing women on Fornits for years are coming to the attention of the authorities, and the list of former clients who have killed themselves, or committed violent crimes is growing and drawing attention. I don't have any questions for Dean Vause. He's got a twenty year history of falsely selling himself as a mental health professional and expert in treating adolescent "addiction". I am not interested in hearing what he has to say. AARC's position gets shakier every day, JD, but your son doesn't get any less dead. Pick up that phone and call the live one.
Thank you for updating us. Of course you have no facts as usual to back up what you say and that is why I am here to point these problems out.
anyone can come on here and say "So and so has been pretending to be a doctor for 20 years!!" , "His wife is overweight". The president of Honda motor corp could have weight issues but that doesnt relect on the quality of the automobiles... but you don see that. He may not even have a drivers license. You just dont know how to debate the issues with relevant facts. As long as AARC is effectively treating people and they have an 85% success rate who cares how much people weigh or what their degree is in.
Now go spend some time with your kid. Turn off the porn and let him have a normal childhood for a change. If you read to him he may forget how you abuse him.
And JD, if you are listening, go call your son.
Here Whooter says Ajax13 is molesting his won son. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27219&start=75#p344212) Whooter is obviously a sick freak doing a lot of projection.
JD, since you killed your son, you can't have contact with him at all, moderated or not. Your mania, stupidity, ignorance and laziness seem to be in an epic battle for dominance. Who will win JD? Will your next post be shameful because it's rooted in stupidity, ignorance, laziness or your inability to think rationally when your compulsions are driving you?
why are you obsessed with this JD guy? It isnt going to help you keep your son or erase what you do to him each night. We both know that yet you keep throwing personal attacks at other people hoping the pain will go away.
You are sick Ajax13. Stop molesting and abusing your son. Just because this poster proved you wrong is no reason to take it out on your own family. Its only a forum. Leave your kid in peace.
here Whooter invalidates all who were abused at RTC’s. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24456&hilit=devon&start=15#p301094)
How would you know what a parent thinks, Who? You threw your daughter away to ASR, so you don't have the right to call yourself that anymore, and your continued use of the word is a heavy insult to the real parents reading this forum.
Kinda like the rest of you calling yourself survivors. Surviving what? A cush stay at RTC? Its an insult to people who actually survived something.
Family member Harvard Fellow and EdCon??
You seem to have an explanation for everything.
Hey, not very nice
What is ASR?
Academy at Swift River
Suws is a short wildneress program right?
Yes
Did your daughter graduate?
Yes
Has she ever shared her negative experiences with you in detail?
Well, we have spoken about it quite a bit and she shares her experiences with me. I ask a lot of questions especially after what I have read about here on fornits. I ask her about counselors that she liked and ones she didn’t and why. Has she ever seen anyone severely punished or had food withheld, put into restraints or placed in isolation, forced to disrobe in front of the other students etc. and she looks at me like I have two heads. ASR wasn’t anything even close to what people on here talk about. She enjoys talking about and wonders how some of her friends would have turned out if they had gone there also.
Did you use an educational consultant?
No, I have a family member who specializes in child psychology and children’s issues, is a fellow at Harvard University and he recommended ASR.
Have you made a list of good schools?
No I haven’t
What do you think differentiates the good from the bad?
Wow, I am really not qualified to speak technically about the differences. But I would say the model the school employs. If the school is taking a clinical approach, is listening to the feedback from the graduates and parents and are willing to adjust their rules and make changes based on parental feedback and to continuously evolve then this would be a school I would want to send my child to and would recommend to others.
I would not recommend a school who had guards who beat the kids, placed kids in restraints, forced them to walk around naked, with held food etc. I would not consider these at all for anyone. These schools are a good candidate for regulation.
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In this installment Whooter is back to accusing Ajax13 of sexually abusing his own child. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=25628&start=30#p345022) Keep it classy, Whooter.
If your point is to just post laws, well, thats easy. There are thousands of them. I didnt see where the law you posted was written for AARC. The one posted pertains to people like yourself who abuse their kids sexually. At least mine has some credibility.
As Whooter continues to lose the argument, he continues to post over and over that Ajax13 sexually abuses his own child, even “QFTing” himself saying it, all anonymously, of course.
Here Whooter is posing as an Aspen Ranch “graduate” (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12902&p=344859#p344859) and telling people not to tell him he’s lying. Well, I guess that makes it believable then? Fail, Whooter. Fail.
I just recently left Aspen Ranch (during the July parent week), graduating as a Rider. I was there for over 16 months! The substance abuse counselor was my primary therapist! I had a lot of problems going there, personal as well as a fucked up family. I've now ben home for 3 months and am doing great. I haven't relapsed or really even considered it.
Aspen was a great place! We didn't get pizza from the local place once a week, but we did get it on parent week and for special occasions. The food wasn't great but it was certainly bearable (and I'm picky!). The staff was AWESOME (most anyways), they were very caring and devoted. There have been MANY changes in staff and rules in the past 6 months there as well, so check it out! Sure I had my rough times, everyone does! I would defenitely recommend it if you're kids having a rough time, but be sure to check it out before to see if you think your kid would be a good fit.
And to whoever posted about seeing kids doing pull-ups with a man with a radio....he was the personal trainer! I was in Personal Training for over a year there and it helped a lot! I've never heard a complaint about PT, kids can sign up for an extra fee through a past navy seal who really pushes you hard! And there's a LONG waiting list.
Thanks, and please no one tell me I'm lying....when I left I was 2nd in seniority out of everyone there at the time! And to those parents who have kids there now...I wouldn't doubt if I knew them!
And a bit later in the thread Whooter poses as a parent with a kid at Aspen Ranch while singing its praises. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12902&start=120#p344901)
the important thing is the place has...without a single doubt...saved our daughter's life. TO sum up some of the other things: She's graduating from high school a year EARLY, and home-district had her do testing (plus she had a great SAT score) so it's no fluke, and she gets a DUAL diploma from Utah and our home state. She's happy, healthy - recently had another home visit that was totally without issues. She has direction in her life, and although she will have on going therapy for some time due to the trauma that triggered her particular problems, she understands it and is dealing with it from a healthy perspective.
A side benefit is she already has a part-time job (while she goes to college) working for a horse trainer...which is good, because the downside (if you can call it that) is she/we are in the process of buying a horse! But, since she's no looking into equine-related veterinary medicine, that's really a benefit.
I'm truly sorry a lot of you just do not understand the program, but it seems you're just going off the slanted "Brat Camp" stories, and piling on based on crap posted by people with NO facts, who've never been there, and have never spoken to a student or parent who has.
And after he’s called out by another poster he bashes them for calling his phony story “fictitious” which it was, 100% ficticious. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12902&start=120#p344907)
the important thing is the place has...without a single doubt...saved our daughter's life. TO sum up some of the other things: She's graduating from high school a year EARLY, and home-district had her do testing (plus she had a great SAT score) so it's no fluke, and she gets a DUAL diploma from Utah and our home state. She's happy, healthy - recently had another home visit that was totally without issues. She has direction in her life, and although she will have on going therapy for some time due to the trauma that triggered her particular problems, she understands it and is dealing with it from a healthy perspective.
A side benefit is she already has a part-time job (while she goes to college) working for a horse trainer...which is good, because the downside (if you can call it that) is she/we are in the process of buying a horse! But, since she's no looking into equine-related veterinary medicine, that's really a benefit.
I'm truly sorry a lot of you just do not understand the program, but it seems you're just going off the slanted "Brat Camp" stories, and piling on based on crap posted by people with NO facts, who've never been there, and have never spoken to a student or parent who has.
John Reuben keep your fictitious "accounts" coming.
So fornits has finally reached the point where parents and survivors stories which are not negative are just tossed aside as fictitious. "Lets tighten things up and only allow the battered few thru the door!!!" Ha,Ha,Ha Finally got you to admit it...... its a good first step.
And he goes on further to suggest 99% of survivor stories are fictitious, right after he’s caught phonying up a “success story.” (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12902&start=135#p344917) You can’t make it up, folks.
It is a good first step that you're finally able to acknowledge those who were battered. The next would be for you to comprehend that that number is far more than a few.
Helpful to that end would be you’re considering the various kinds of injuries caused to children in programs.
Not all are as physical violence. Assaults like rape and battery do happen in programs, as well as imposed stress positions, prolonged physically exhausting exertions (death marches for some) and inadequate or even no proper medical care.
In addition to these injurious violations of children the damages accrued from dehumanizing humiliations and infliction of emotional abuse and destructive thought reform tactics are very real, very pervasive in the TTI, and completely unnecessary to extending guidance to children.
99% of those accounts are fictitious. We all know that the kids are helped at these places.... kids here post to blow off steam, its healthy for them but dont rely on the accuracy of the posts.
Here Whooter admits he sent a son, not a daughter, to a wilderness program. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28642&p=344767#p344767)
Speaking of wilderness programs and sex, it happens all the time... at least when I was there it did. Its not like they handed out condoms so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the girls go home from wilderness with a whole new set of issues brewing inside them. I never saw a wild tribe like orgy until I was in wilderness, and don't think the staff don't join in. Parents have no idea what happens out there, it was insane.
Thanks guest,I knew it wasnt as bad as people were saying here. The kids do have fun on these trips, I kind of thought that.
Your welcome, my son really liked it and would like to become a counselor some day which has motivated him to study harder.
Whooter admits starting a program referral business while responding to the name “John.” (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&p=348838#p348838)
"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."
John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem. Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem? Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place? Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?
John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"? I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."
This marketing spin makes me nauseous. We're talking about HUMAN BEINGS here, John. I know the conscienceless, like yourself, see children as commodities, but this is WAY out of line. You disgust me, sir.
Of course you are nauseous. That is because you are weak and lack foresight like most people. See the problem is you miss the bigger picture. You think small and think problems can be solved by hugging people. People and kids dont need hugs they need solutions, they need to know someone is in control and can make them feel safe. Most parents jump in and try to save their child by getting involved in their lives. But the truth is it is too late at this point to save them by this approach because they have traveled too far down the path. The parents should have been more involved all along. So instead of taking the road everyone else was taking another option was to start a business around the problem. This way you not only get help for your child but you find you are able to raise money for other kids to be placed and after the smoke settles 2 things occur:
1. It doesn’t cost a dime for treatment and
2. You can actually reverse the flow and have a few coins end up back in your pocket to boot.
You need to always keep a level head and look for opportunity when others are panicking. This is key and is the Hallmark of successful people. Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good. I have always been a firm believer that there exists a silver lining in every situation. It is our jobs to find it and utilize it or someone else will.
As far as trying to find something scientifically proven, that is hogwash. By the time any good set of studies are completed the treatment is outdated and people have moved on to something more "leading edge". Hell they still cant figure out how bees fly but that doesnt prevent us from enjoying the honey.
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I don't care how much you question my "story". I know it's true and, deep down, so do you. You might not believe it about other programs, but I do think you believe it about Straight. You just try and throw doubt in there for the benefit of others reading, hoping it'll catch on with them.
I really dont care what others think either. We all know ourselves and what our individual stories are. You try to keep supporting that I fabricated a son for other reasons than the ones I described to you. You do this to try to throw doubt for the benefit of the readers. Why do you do this? and why wouldnt the readers believe you are capable of allowing other untruths slip by about your time in straight?
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Look, Anne, I already told you the reasons that I fabricated my family. I'm not going to keep answering questions about my fabricated children when I have already answered them. Some people would consider this to be "lying" but really all it is is adding balance to the discussion. Sheesh. Get a life.
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