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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: FreeOfCC on May 04, 2010, 12:37:47 AM
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Do the lies ever end? :rofl:
Ridge Creek School Letter
To Prospective Students
Contact:
Scott Smith,
Director Of Admissions
706-864-4730
ridgecreekschool.com
Dear Prospective Parents,
It is always and extremely difficult decision whether to bring up something that has been settled and proved to have no valid basis. Despite our trepidation to rehash the past, we feel that we have an obligation to address this issue. By doing this, we hope to provide you with a clear understanding of the situation that occurred.
In 2006, several parents filed a petition for a class action lawsuit against the school. The suit was simply a contract dispute; the parents wanting some of their tuition monies returned after their child attended Hidden Lake Academy (HLA). Despite a well orchestrated vigorous campaign by the plaintiffs and their attorneys to impose a negative effect on the school, very few parents joined the petition, and, predictably and ultimately the petition for certification as a class action was denied. The petition made no claims of harm or damage to a child. The claims made and reasons given were groundless.
Along with this petition a vicious, cowardly and unrelenting negative campaign was launched against HLA and the staff. Outrageous and untrue statements demeaning the school and staff were made. The sad reality is that there is no internet recourse, because there is no way to remove the written statements.
As the negative campaign unfolded it became very evident that the goal of the people involved was to discredit and to ultimately close the school by instituting as negative public relations as possible, creating as large a financial burden to the school as was possible, and by attacking the referral sources through fear and intimidation. There is no denying that the ordeal of an 18 month very negative campaign had an impact on HLA. By waging an unrelenting campaign of unfounded accusations and intimidation the plaintiffs’ virtually destroyed our referral process.
Throughout this ordeal HLA chose to remain focused on the students and the program. HLA provides therapy, a fully accredited college preparatory program, and most importantly the opportunity for these children to get back on track with goals and objectives for the future.
In early 2007 Judge William O’Kelley issued a series of orders which dismissed all but one of the plaintiffs causes of action. While awaiting Judge O’Kelley’s ruling on the last issue of class certification, the plaintiffs attorneys announced to our attorneys that they would not only file an appeal if Judge O’Kelley denied their motion for certification of class action, but would also resubpoena all our referral sources. They said that they would do this again despite the fact that Judge O’Kelley revoked these when they did it previously. An appeal would have continued litigation for almost two years. The plaintiff’s attorneys then approached HLA regarding settlement of the entire case for a mere fraction of the amount they initially demanded. In order to move forward and be better able to serve its students, HLA agreed to a settlement of the case. Unfortunately, the small group of plaintiffs continue their harassment on the internet and there is nothing we can do legally to remove the slanderous statements Our attorneys have advised us to “rebrand”. Therefore, HLA ceased to exist and a separate corporation Ridge Creek School was created.
Since the resolution of this matter, Ridge Creek School is rebounding with students once again enrolling. We are getting back on track; our referral sources are all back helping us to repair the damage that was done to the school. If you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to contact us and we will be happy to answer them.
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Mmmm. Pretty florid language for a school that has allegedly "rebranded" with such success that it is ... "rebounding with students once again enrolling." :D
"a well orchestrated vigorous campaign"
"a vicious, cowardly and unrelenting negative campaign"
"outrageous and untrue statements demeaning the school and staff"
"attacking the referral sources through fear and intimidation"
"an unrelenting campaign of unfounded accusations and intimidation"
"the small group of plaintiffs continue their harassment on the internet"[/list]
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Mmmm. Pretty florid language for a school that has allegedly "rebranded" with such success that it is ... "rebounding with students once again enrolling." :D
"a well orchestrated vigorous campaign"
"a vicious, cowardly and unrelenting negative campaign"
"outrageous and untrue statements demeaning the school and staff"
"attacking the referral sources through fear and intimidation"
"an unrelenting campaign of unfounded accusations and intimidation"
"the small group of plaintiffs continue their harassment on the internet"[/list]
::OMG::
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A source link for the OP, from Struggling Teens:
Breaking News
Posted: May 3, 2010
Ridge Creek School
Dahlonega, GA
Ridge Creek School Letter To Prospective Students (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/RidgeCreekSchoolBN_100503.shtml)
Contact:
Scott Smith,
Director Of Admissions
706-864-4730
ridgecreekschool.com
Dear Prospective Parents,
<snip snip>
Copyright ©2010, Woodbury Reports, Inc.
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Hmmmm....They strangely left out that right next door they're running a juvenile detention center for Georgia criminal offenders. Wonder why they didn't mention the gaggle of criminally convicted jailbirds on the property when soliciting wealthy parents for teenage daycare? :seg:
HLA is Ridge Creek. Ridge Creek is colocated on property with a juvenile offender lockup. Parents beware of HLA/Ridge Creek... :suicide:
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If HLA is Ridge Creek, should we change the name of the forum to "Hidden Lake Academy / Ridge Creek School"?
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Hmmmm....They strangely left out that right next door they're running a juvenile detention center for Georgia criminal offenders. Wonder why they didn't mention the gaggle of criminally convicted jailbirds on the property when soliciting wealthy parents for teenage daycare? :seg:
HLA is Ridge Creek. Ridge Creek is colocated on property with a juvenile offender lockup. Parents beware of HLA/Ridge Creek... :suicide:
:shamrock: :shamrock:
DJ, it is futher on down the road, I will get you the actual geographics but it is not as close as you think. I don't live that far from there myself.
Though your point is well taken, will not argue that.
Danny
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Wonder why they didn't mention the gaggle of criminally convicted jailbirds on the property when soliciting wealthy parents for teenage daycare? :seg:
Anti-program strategy #53: Tell the white parents their kid might have to sleep near a poor minority kid whose parents didn't have enough money to buy their acquittal with an expensive lawyer and connections like they did.
Keep trying, losers. :suicide:
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Hmmmm....They strangely left out that right next door they're running a juvenile detention center for Georgia criminal offenders. Wonder why they didn't mention the gaggle of criminally convicted jailbirds on the property when soliciting wealthy parents for teenage daycare? :seg:
HLA is Ridge Creek. Ridge Creek is colocated on property with a juvenile offender lockup. Parents beware of HLA/Ridge Creek... :suicide:
:shamrock: :shamrock:
DJ, it is futher on down the road, I will get you the actual geographics but it is not as close as you think. I don't live that far from there myself.
Though your point is well taken, will not argue that.
Danny
I'm very well familiar with that property and there are only a couple of drives. You have to drive right by HLA/Ridge Creek to get to the lock up a bit further down the road.
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Those who have been in business for themselves or have been successful in the business world would immediately recognize that mentioning that they boarder a property that houses a juvenile detention center, as part of a marketing strategy, would not be a good move. If you take a look at their website they have taken full advantage of their location and leveraged the scenic beauty that surrounds their property. Why would they mention the other juvenile facility or a cement factory up the road? Not sure how this would increase revenue. If there was, say, a museum of some sort then this would be nice to mention in their marketing because the parents could visit this as part of their overall visit to see their child. You need to know the people you are trying to target to understand why they mention what they do on their website and why they omit others.
I think it is a plus that the parents don’t need to drive by the detention facility on the way in, although, I am sure it is clearly marked and parents are aware of its presence.
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Hmmmm....They strangely left out that right next door they're running a juvenile detention center for Georgia criminal offenders. Wonder why they didn't mention the gaggle of criminally convicted jailbirds on the property when soliciting wealthy parents for teenage daycare? :seg:
HLA is Ridge Creek. Ridge Creek is colocated on property with a juvenile offender lockup. Parents beware of HLA/Ridge Creek... :suicide:
:shamrock: :shamrock:
DJ, it is futher on down the road, I will get you the actual geographics but it is not as close as you think. I don't live that far from there myself.
Though your point is well taken, will not argue that.
Danny
I'm very well familiar with that property and there are only a couple of drives. You have to drive right by HLA/Ridge Creek to get to the lock up a bit further down the road.
:shamrock: :shamrock:
Yes you are right.
Danny
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Wonder why they didn't mention the gaggle of criminally convicted jailbirds on the property when soliciting wealthy parents for teenage daycare? :seg:
Anti-program strategy #53: Tell the white parents their kid might have to sleep near a poor minority kid whose parents didn't have enough money to buy their acquittal with an expensive lawyer and connections like they did.
Keep trying, losers. :suicide:
:shamrock: :shamrock:
This is a very good point, why are we making a point that there is a detention facility down the road, are we a bunch of "WHITE" prejudice folk who see this.
Danny
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If HLA is Ridge Creek, should we change the name of the forum to "Hidden Lake Academy / Ridge Creek School"?
Yes, that would be helpful. I would suggest "THE RIDGE CREEK SCHOOL/ HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY" as any info on The Ridge Creek School will not come up on a search if the party does not know it was formerly HLA.
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If HLA is Ridge Creek, should we change the name of the forum to "Hidden Lake Academy / Ridge Creek School"?
Yes, that would be helpful. I would suggest "THE RIDGE CREEK SCHOOL/ HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY" as any info on The Ridge Creek School will not come up on a search if the party does not know it was formerly HLA.
I would double check to see if this works with the search engine that fornits utilizes. It has been my experience that if you try searching “Ridge Creek School” against some databases which has it listed as “Ridge Creek School/Hidden Lake Academy” it may not come up as a partial. Maybe insure there is a space before the forward slash? If that makes a difference.
It may be okay either way but I would double check before I made the changes.
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To the current marionette .... this was a HUGE error in judgement, not carefully thought through, and whomever choreographed your letter for you, underestimates the power of documented truths. The "spin" stops here.
One would think there would be no need to "spin", if the truth was on the side of the "spinners." Perhaps you have not read "ALL" the documents. Perhaps before you place your name to something, you should request the documents from your puppeteer. Otherwise, I will be more than happy to provide them.
THE GAO and IRS have more important things to do than investigate unsubstantiated, frivolous claims, or as you put it..."contract disputes." Fortunate for HLA, the Class suit was still in existence, when the GAO came knocking. The Class suit did not address "neglect and abuse" because Berger and Montague felt it would have been a more difficult challenge to get it classed, especially in the "good ole boy" State." In retrospect, it should have been a "cluster suit" where the neglect, abuse, and all the other alleged charges would have been allowed. The class was not denied for it's merits, it was denied under applied rules.
This is beyond despicable. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror. Will you be the next patsy to hold an assembly and tell the students "the girls raped themselves, the boy zip-tied himself, the counselor beat herself to a pulp a few months ago, not the inmate."
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Is there any way to keep Hidden Lake Academy and just start a new thread with The Ridge Creek School/ HLA? I have received emails requesting HLA be kept, but for new prospecitve parents they will not find The Ridge Creek School here, if they don't know HLA's history.
Also I was told the jeuvenile offenders were housed along with the other students in the dorms. Since' he' has the agencies locked down, can anyone confirm?
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If HLA is Ridge Creek, should we change the name of the forum to "Hidden Lake Academy / Ridge Creek School"?
Yes, that would be helpful. I would suggest "THE RIDGE CREEK SCHOOL/ HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY" as any info on The Ridge Creek School will not come up on a search if the party does not know it was formerly HLA.
Is there any way to keep Hidden Lake Academy and just start a new thread with The Ridge Creek School/ HLA? I have received emails requesting HLA be kept, but for new prospecitve parents they will not find The Ridge Creek School here, if they don't know HLA's history.
Perhaps the easiest thing to do, in addition to changing the forum name, would be to sticky a thread titled "Ridge Creek School vs. Hidden Lake Academy" (or similar such) which simply explains it. Or which attempts to explain it, as this saga is more analogous to several seasons worth of 'The Sopranos', if you ask me...
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If HLA is Ridge Creek, should we change the name of the forum to "Hidden Lake Academy / Ridge Creek School"?
Yes, that would be helpful. I would suggest "THE RIDGE CREEK SCHOOL/ HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY" as any info on The Ridge Creek School will not come up on a search if the party does not know it was formerly HLA.
Is there any way to keep Hidden Lake Academy and just start a new thread with The Ridge Creek School/ HLA? I have received emails requesting HLA be kept, but for new prospecitve parents they will not find The Ridge Creek School here, if they don't know HLA's history.
Perhaps the easiest thing to do, in addition to changing the forum name, would be to sticky a thread titled "Ridge Creek School vs. Hidden Lake Academy" (or similar such) which simply explains it. Or which attempts to explain it, as this saga is more analogous to several seasons worth of 'The Sopranos', if you ask me...
Yeah. Start such a thread and i'll sticky it.
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I just did a search on google for (The) Ridge Creek School, it does not show Fornits...??
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I just did a search on google for (The) Ridge Creek School, it does not show Fornits...??
I just did one for "Ridge Creek School" (with quotes) and a fornits thread, titled RIDGE CREEK SCHOOL (http://http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=28286), showed up on the second page. Since this forum now has "Ridge Creek" in its name/title (but didn't previously), my guess is it'll just take a little while longer for fornits threads to reach page 1 for such a search.
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I did a search and the Ridgecreek website comes up first. Does anyone know how Ridge Creek differs from HLA? Same location...staff....same marketing? Do they target the same type of kids? Better academics?
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Lol. And they categorize adolescents as "whining too much"...
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Breaking News
Posted: Jun 9, 2010
Ridge Creek School
Dahlonega, GA
Why are there Negative Websites about Schools and Programs? (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/RidgeCreekSchoolBN_100609.shtml)
Contact:
Scott Smith
Admissions
706-868-4730
http://www.ridgecreekschool.com (http://www.ridgecreekschool.com)
June 4, 2010
Of the many difficult hurdles presented to those of us who work with families in crisis, perhaps the most daunting and hurtful are attacks from the very people that, in their time of need, sought our guidance and assistance. Often, the schools and programs that provide the strongest and highest-rated, proven support and solutions for these struggling families become the targets of the misplaced anger and unbridled aggression of those they were attempting to help. In most cases, these attacks come from families that fail to see the program to its fruition or refuse to follow the guidelines provided by the professionals in this field.
Unfortunately, the anger and frustration generated by their failure can lead some students and parents to manufacture half-truths and, in many cases, slanderous lies, for which the internet has become the platform. No school or therapeutic program in this country has escaped these vicious and, for the most part, anonymous attacks. Further, as long as the erroneous statement contains a heading like, "I was told by…" or, "A former staff member said…", there is no legal recourse available to the school or program under attack.
We at Ridge Creek urge the parents of prospective students to fully investigate any eventual placement by calling the school and/or program under consideration to request a list of families that have completed the curriculum and to contact these families for a clear and unbiased picture of the program and its effectiveness. If there are items of concern encountered on an internet site, address these with the school and its alumni. The future of a struggling child is too valuable to be trusted to a simple internet search that yields the negative attacks of those who refused the heed advice and follow suggested treatment and recovery paths.
Ridge Creek Admissions Team
~Comments~
June 09, 2010
Well done Scott.
This is a difficult hurdle and one that I find undermines new parents willingness/ability to connect with their chosen program-which perpetuates the issue The fear that the process may not work is enflamed because of these statements.
References are a significant step in easing the confusion of fact vs. misleading information. As with any business, the most accurate sign of a successful business (outcome) is from its consumers. They will be honest about what our best is. And they'll probably do a better job with it…
Thanks,
Sean Haggerty
Cedar Ridge Academy
435-353-4498 ext. 117
http://www.cedaridge.net (http://www.cedaridge.net)
Copyright ©2010, Woodbury Reports, Inc.
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I did a search and the Ridgecreek website comes up first. Does anyone know how Ridge Creek differs from HLA? Same location...staff....same marketing? Do they target the same type of kids? Better academics?
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I bet you will be waiting for "hell to freeze over" before Ursus will give you a answer. Now if you wanted to know why a child was molested at Ridgecreek he would fall all over himself trying to get to the answer.
UH.....Joel, Antigen, Psy, Che, Anne, Felice, Pile, nobody......not interested. Well I guess we will just wait for a newspaper clipping to come out.
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT)/ Behavioral Method at Ridgecreek.
Here is maybe one way it differs from before, maybe not too.
Is this behavior method new to the TTI/Schools or has it been used all along.
Marsha M. Linehan/Developer of Dialectical Behavior Therapy/Homepage
http://behavioraltech.org/index.cfm?CFI ... N=88825614 (http://behavioraltech.org/index.cfm?CFID=30950752&CFTOKEN=88825614)
Behavioral Tech, LLC, founded by Dr. Linehan, trains mental health care providers and treatment teams who work with complex and severely disordered populations to use compassionate, scientifically valid treatments and to implement and evaluate these treatments in their practice setting.
DIALECTICAL BEHAVIOR THERAPY IN A NUTSHELL
http://www.cdcbt.com/dialectical.html (http://www.cdcbt.com/dialectical.html)
Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) is a fairly new type of psychotherapy or “talk therapy.” Developed by Marsha Linehan, Ph.D., DBT was first introduced over a dozen years ago as a treatment for Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). People with BPD (for more info on BPD click here). experience intense emotions which lead to actions such as self-injury, anger outbursts or abrupt ending of important relationships. Although these actions temporarily reduce emotional pain they often wind up causing independent problems that can make life even more difficult. Historically, BPD has been thought of as one of the most difficult problems to address effectively. Several research studies, often referred to as clinical trials, have demonstrated that DBT is an effective treatment for adults with BPD. Both the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association currently consider DBT to be a first-line treatment for BPD (click on either Association for a link to their respective website).
As a result of DBT’s success in treating adults with BPD, it has been adapted for adolescents struggling with severe emotional turmoil and intensely problematic ways of dealing with their distress. DBT has also been modified so that it can be used with other difficulties such as eating disorders, substance use, and anger management.
So what exactly is DBT? In a nutshell, DBT is a compassionate type of behavioral therapy that is intended to help people move toward having a life that feels even more meaningful and worth living. Distress, emotional pain, interpersonal difficulties, and behavioral problems such as over-eating, not eating, using substances, self-injuring, losing control, withdrawing, and using-up relationships can make it incredibly difficult to function normally and lead a life that feels meaningful and worthwhile. DBT targets the issues that cause distress and teaches skills to deal with them without having to resort to self-defeating behaviors. It does so in a framework, though, that helps us understand that we are doing the best we can even though we need to learn ways that work better.
Now that we have a quick idea about what DBT is at its heart, how does it work? For DBT to be successful, the treatment has to do two things effectively: (1) Teach skills that people need in order to move closer toward their life goals and; (2) Help people cultivate an ability to work these skills into their daily lives. The teaching skills part happens through our 16-week DBT Skills Group. When people sign-up for the DBT Skills Group we ask that they make a commitment to the entire 16-week course. The Skills Group is run very much like a class or a seminar. It meets one time per week for 90-minutes. Participants are provided with notebooks that go along with the skills being taught in group. Homework that corresponds with the skills topics is routinely assigned and reviewed.
Individual DBT psychotherapy and DBT group therapy are two ways of developing and sharpening the ability to apply skills taught in skills group to real life. DBT clients usually meet individually with their therapist one to two times per week for 45-minute sessions. DBT group therapy consists of 5-8 group members once a week for 90 minutes. While individual DBT therapy is more personalized, DBT group therapy offers the participant more social support as well the opportunity to see how others incorporate DBT skills into their lives. Some people choose to do both, while others enroll in one or the other. A beginning discussion of how to decide how much and what to sign-up for occurs just below. As is the case with the Skills Group, when people enroll in either individual DBT psychotherapy or DBT group therapy we ask that they make a 16-week commitment.
At our Center, we offer DBT Skills Groups, DBT group therapy, and DBT individual psychotherapy. The skills and therapy groups are held at a wide range of times during the week, including early evenings and mornings. Each group occurs for 90-minutes and participants typically attend 1-2 groups per week. DBT individual psychotherapy can be scheduled at a wide range of times, including evenings and Saturday’s.
Decisions regarding which parts of DBT to enroll in usually depend upon individual goals and whether an individual already has an individual therapist they wish to continue with and who understands and supports the goals of Skills Group training. Our Center’s therapists are available to assist in making these choices. With this said, enrolling in a Skills Group is an essential part of DBT for anyone who has not already successfully completed Skills Group training in another setting. To get to this level, we have found that the majority of people need to complete the equivalent of two cycles of our Center’s 16-week skills group.
Either DBT group therapy or DBT individual psychotherapy is also typically included in most people’s initial plans. These two parts of DBT are the main ways we have of helping people develop and sharpen their ability to apply what is learned in the Skills Group to their lives. To get an even more intensive experience, some people choose to sign-up for both.
Several people come to our Center already involved in psychotherapy with a therapist in the community. In these instances, we usually recommend that people enroll in both a skills and therapy group. At other times, people may come to our Center already involved in individual DBT psychotherapy with a therapist in the community. In these cases, many people choose to limit their enrollment to a skills group. Also, whether part of our Center or not, a pre-requisite of our DBT program is that clients have an individual therapist, who may or may not be the prescribing physician.
Medication is a useful adjunct to many clients in DBT. In these cases clients need to have a prescribing physician familiar with DBT. We do not provide medication at the Center. If medication alone has successfully treated the problematic symptoms, though, there is no need for DBT. If not, it is important to understand that in undertaking DBT, DBT becomes the primary treatment. If medication side-effects interfere with effective participation in DBT, it is usually a good idea to postpone enrolling in DBT or to discuss with the prescribing physicians the pros and cons of continuing the medications at their current dose.
PROBLEMS ADDRESSED: ADULTS AND ADOLESCENTS
Depression | Panic Attacks | OCD | Social Anxiety
Procrastination | Anger Management | Excessive/Constant Worry
Perfectionism | Fears/Phobias | Borderline Personality Disorder
Eating/Weight Struggles | Self-injury/Self-harm | Alcohol or
Drug Overuse | Hair Pulling
About Behavioral Tech: In The News
http://behavioraltech.org/about/news.cfm (http://behavioraltech.org/about/news.cfm)
Monitor of Psychology, April 2009
"Fostering Lives worth living," an article by Tory Deangelis on Dr. Linehan's years of work with severly suicidal patients.
Time Magazine, January 8, 2009
"Minds on the Edge" by John Cloud features Borderline Personality Disorder, Dialectical Behavior Therapy and Dr. Linehan's work in the field.
O, The Oprah Magazine, October 2006
"Making Friends with Reality," an interview with Marsha Linehan, Ph.D., ABBP
Hillside News, March 2006
“Hillside Launches Groundbreaking Therapy Program.” Hillside is the first and only known adolescent treatment facility in the Southeast to be fully trained in and implemented DBT. Hillside is a private, not-for-profit facility, licensed by the State of Georgia and accredited by CARF - the Commission on Accreditation of Rehabilitation Facilities.
O, The Oprah Magazine, August 2005
“Women on the Edge” article includes an interview with Dialectical Behavior Therapy treatment developer, Marsha M. Linehan, Ph.D., ABBP
New York Times, July 13, 2004
“With Toughness and Caring, a Novel Therapy Helps Tortured Souls” article includes an interview with Dialectical Behavior Therapy treatment developer, Marsha M. Linehan, Ph.D., ABBP
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I did a search and the Ridgecreek website comes up first. Does anyone know how Ridge Creek differs from HLA? Same location...staff....same marketing? Do they target the same type of kids? Better academics?
I bet you will be waiting for "hell to freeze over" before Ursus will give you a answer. Now if you wanted to know why a child was molested at Ridgecreek he would fall all over himself trying to get to the answer.
UH.....Joel, Antigen, Psy, Che, Anne, Felice, Pile, nobody......not interested. Well I guess we will just wait for a newspaper clipping to come out.
:roflmao: Personally, I'm not actually sure how much of an overlap there is. Moreover, I am hardly the one to know.
My guess is the reason nobody else bothered to answer Whooter is they probably figure he has a personal phone connection to Buccellato, no dialing needed, just pick up the receiver! :D
I think Whooter sometimes fishes for info, to see what folks here actually do know or guess. Perhaps it's a game for him. Those questions probably didn't come from someone who doesn't already the answers.
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duplicate
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Ursus wrote
Personally, I'm not actually sure how much of an overlap there is. Moreover, I am hardly the one to know.
My guess is the reason nobody else bothered to answer Whooter is they probably figure he has a personal phone connection to Buccellato , no dialing needed, just pick up the receiver!
I think Whooter sometimes fishes for info, to see what folks here actually :do know or guess. Perhaps it's a game for him. Those questions probably didn't come from someone who doesn't already the answers.
You are not the one to know[/i], jeesh is this situational, conditional or selective.
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I did a search and the Ridgecreek website comes up first. Does anyone know how Ridge Creek differs from HLA? Same location...staff....same marketing? Do they target the same type of kids? Better academics?
Well... Bucellato offers some kind of an answer, which is really no answer at all... but, here ya have it:
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Breaking News
Posted: May 20, 2010 08:18
Ridge Creek School
Dahlonega, GA
Status of Ridge Creek School (Formerly Hidden Lake Academy) (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/RidgeCreekSchoolBN_100520.shtml)
Contact:
Len Buccellato
Founder
706-864-4730
http://www.ridgecreekschool.com (http://www.ridgecreekschool.com)
May 19, 2010
Due to our name change and the addition of new curriculum, there are components that have caused some confusion with prospective parents and consultants, so we would like to take some time to clarify the situation.
Name Change: Hidden Lake Academy is now Ridge Creek Academy. The same quality of excellence in clinical, academics, sports and recreation that you knew at Hidden Lake Academy is present at Ridge Creek School. The only difference is that our average length of stay is now 12 months.
Ridge Creek School and Ridge Creek Wilderness are two separate and distinct entities. Ridge Creek Wilderness is our 28 day wilderness program and exists on a seasonal basis. Ridge Creek Wilderness also allows us to create a special academic program for the student who is lacking a few credits to graduate high school or for those students whose consultants or parents need a shorter program.
Our wilderness curriculum component at Ridge Creek School has apparently caused confusion; therefore from now on we will call it an "Adventure Enrichment Curriculum". This is offered each month for a weekend trip. There is no additional cost and it is optional for the students, it is not mandatory. However we may strongly recommend it for students who are stuck therapeutically or who need a time out space to work through some issues. Apparently this has caused some confusion among parents, especially those of girls. Students do not need to participate in the wilderness program.
Tuition is $4,800.00 per month. In these trying economic times for families, we have continued to help with financial aid, as well as other payment options.
Thank you very much for your ongoing support and if you have any additional questions please call Ridge Creek School at 706-864-4730 or visit their website at: http://www.ridgecreekschool.com (http://www.ridgecreekschool.com).
Copyright ©2010, Woodbury Reports, Inc.
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The same quality of excellence in clinical, academics, sports and recreation that you knew at Hidden Lake Academy is present at Ridge Creek School.
This is not good news. Not sure why he would even say this. HLA amassed sixteen hundred pages of ORS violations over a one year period. This is simply an admission that nothing has changed
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http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/ (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/)
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http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/
Private facility residential boarding schools experienced a reduction in revenue on an average of 20% over the past 2 years due to the economy so anymore erosion due to bad press may have tipped the scales for HLA pushing them into the red. CRC saw a 19% reduction in revenue last year but was able to offset that with a 14 % reduction in salaries and overhead expenses with the help of the closure of Mount Bachelor Academy. So CRC was fortunate that they can close a facility to offset a weak economy, whereas HLA doesn’t have any other revenue generation to turn to in tough times so it was a good move for them to cut their losses and change their name. Sometimes it is not worth fighting the battle because in the end right or wrong the negative press dominates and will affect your bottom line. Its good to see that HLA’s old website took the time to explain their move to those alumni and new parents who have come to visit.
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Even though the petition was dismissed we were unable to get the unsubstantiated statements off the web . The negative blog sites continued their slanderous attacks.
:rofl: :rofl: :roflmao:
It gets even more hilarious (http://http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/anonymity.pdf)! Don't drink liquids when reading this- at least not with your keyboard in the way!
Private facility residential boarding schools experienced a reduction in revenue on an average of 20% over the past 2 years due to the economy so anymore erosion due to bad press may have tipped the scales for HLA pushing them into the red. CRC saw a 19% reduction in revenue last year but was able to offset that with a 14 % reduction in salaries and overhead expenses with the help of the closure of Mount Bachelor Academy.
I'm sure DJ and RB will be by to ask you how you know this, but all I have to say is FUCKING OWNED. Although the rate of decline is far, far too slow. Hopefully the decline is on an accelerating asymptotic curve; if that's the case, CRC Health will simply sell the properties in a few years and we can put the big-business programs to rest as a failed enterprise. From there it's just a matter of wiping out the religious ones, shoring up the psychiatric hospitals against program tactics and philosophies, and that'll be it for this industry.
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CRC's Youth Care division is currently being shopped. They see a permanent decline in revenue I suspect. Let's see who's dumb enough to buy it, if anyone.
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Name Change: Hidden Lake Academy is now Ridge Creek Academy. The same quality of excellence in clinical, academics, sports and recreation that you knew at Hidden Lake Academy is present at Ridge Creek School. The only difference is that our average length of stay is now 12 months.
I think that says it all. Nothing has changed except the name. And yes, I do wonder where/how Whooter gets his stats. Afterall, he's "just a program parent"....right?
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Name Change: Hidden Lake Academy is now Ridge Creek Academy. The same quality of excellence in clinical, academics, sports and recreation that you knew at Hidden Lake Academy is present at Ridge Creek School. The only difference is that our average length of stay is now 12 months.
I think that says it all. Nothing has changed except the name. And yes, I do wonder where/how Whooter gets his stats. Afterall, he's "just a program parent"....right?
Oh No!! by your definition DJ must be an industry person. How would he have inside information about CRC's youth care division being shopped. This place is crawling with industry people lol.
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Name Change: Hidden Lake Academy is now Ridge Creek Academy. The same quality of excellence in clinical, academics, sports and recreation that you knew at Hidden Lake Academy is present at Ridge Creek School. The only difference is that our average length of stay is now 12 months.
I think that says it all. Nothing has changed except the name. And yes, I do wonder where/how Whooter gets his stats. Afterall, he's "just a program parent"....right?
Oh No!! by your definition DJ must be an industry person. How would he have inside information about CRC's youth care division being shopped. This place is crawling with industry people lol.
Of course you have nothing to say about Ridge Creek being exactly like HLA. Go after the low hanging fruit when you don't have a decent rebuttal to the salient point.
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I work in the healthcare industry and follow it closely. CRC Youth Care is being shopped. They're losing money and have been for several years. Before they blink out they're trying to get some jing. It isn't that deep.
Whooter knows this because he's an Aspen Ed fiduciary, as he openly has admitted. Don't let him play coy with you. It's no mystery where he gets his information from - Aspen's books.
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DJ, anyone can do what you do. We just dont chose to do it. You claim to have all this education yet you cannot have a civil conversation about the industry you claimed to have worked in (on any level except to discredit other posters).
Fact One: This post shows Dysfunction Junction worked at Daytop at one time. It also shows that he had a felony conviction and prison sentance.
Fact Two: He no longer works in the TBS field. According to him he got disillusioned with the industry. I suspect he isn't allowed to be employed by them with a previous felony conviction as most TBS's do background checks for most of their employees usually.
I'll bust your fucking teeth down your throat, choke you until you nearly fall unconscious, then give you a wake-up kick to the temple and send you on your merry way. Your pain, suffering and disfigurement wouldn't matter .......
Look, DJ, you dont need to threaten everyone that disagrees with you. I think we all know that if it were not for your criminal past that you would still be working in the TT industry instead of posting here on fornits to establish a resume that doesnt exist in real life. Maybe when you took this anger of yours out on the kids is why HLA decide to release you. I believe you have a past post where you admitted this unless you edited it out all ready.
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http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/ (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/)
The first link, Explanation of the petition (http://http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/petition.html), appears to be the same document which started this thread (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=30445#p362647).
Here's the second proffering from that menu of links:
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Statement about anonymous blog sites in general. (http://http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/anonymity.pdf)
Anonymity has its place. It safeguards privacy and security. We value it in the voting booth. It is a necessary tool for the protection of journalistic sources, corporate "whistleblowers", as well as confidential criminal informants. Anonymity is an invaluable and treasured privilege in a free society. However, as is often the case with privilege, the inscrutability and secrecy which accompany anonymity are often abused by those who would claim this treasured tool of freedom and democracy for selfish, deceitful, and malicious ends.
Today, most reputable print periodicals have very strict policies regarding the publication of anonymous submissions. In addition, many online sources have adopted similar standards for anonymous posts. These standards include, but are definitely not limited to, factual verification, exclusion of slanderous and libelous content, as well as threatening, taunting, and/or unsubstantiated, ungrounded rumor and innuendo. These standards secure the reputation of the publication or website. In addition, they secure the value of the first amendment and protect it from the abuse of cowards who would hide behind the wall of anonymity in order to attack others with vile, untrue, and defamatory diatribes.
Unfortunately, there are forums on which craven individuals find a soapbox with a shroud. These sites and publications glorify the maliciousness and spinelessness of their contributors. They give the pathetic anger and destructive deceit of faceless cowards a medium of expression. They provide a veil of respectability to the ravings of those who would camouflage their identity in order to escape the consequences of real scrutiny regarding their honor and integrity. Indeed, these forums, many times, shelter and promote dishonor and fabrication. Because the written word has power, far too many citizens believe that, if it is written and posted or published, it must hold some intrinsic value. If the medium presents anonymously written articles or posts, it must be examined for the veracity of these items.
There are a few blatant flags which indicate a dubious source. If a reader encounters profanity in an anonymous submission, there should be no continued consideration of its contextual value. Reputable sources rarely use obscene language to communicate. If the piece attacks without supporting facts, it is most probably unsubstantiated opinion and should be accepted as such. If a reader is confronted by an anonymous writer threatening and/or reveling in the hardship of an individual or organization, the message should be discounted as useless and detrimental.
Anonymous propaganda and malicious, opinionated material must be recognized as such. Unfortunately, there are forums which pay no mind to standards, and in a free society the freedom of both the reputable and the reprehensible is guaranteed. Thus, readers in search of truth and integrity must consider the source and the forum. Further, if they wish to be truly informed, they must be carefully and considerately dubious regarding any written material for which no credit is taken by its author. Anonymity must not be accepted as a shield for maliciousness and mendacity.
Foy Tootle, Teacher, Ridge Creek School
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Look, DJ, you dont need to threaten everyone that disagrees with you. I think we all know that if it were not for your criminal past that you would still be working in the TT industry instead of posting here on fornits to establish a resume that doesnt exist in real life. Maybe when you took this anger of yours out on the kids is why HLA decide to release you. I believe you have a past post where you admitted this unless you edited it out all ready.
I don't think it's wise of you to insinuate things about other people's criminal past when you admit to having one of your own, but refuse to give the details and excuse your criminal behavior as "being a kid"....at 22....but real kids (under 18), according to you, are deserving of being sent off to abusive "rehabs".
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Whooter, 22 is not a "young kid." You were arrested several times as an adult. Trying to move away from your admission now suggests you are not being truthful. Many here believe you have a lot more criminal experience than you want to say, so you just post some BS about a 22 year old being a "young kid." You're a lying phony about everything.
I don't think it's wise of you to insinuate things about other people's criminal past when you admit to having one of your own....
Yeah, I agree Anne.
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Whooter, 22 is not a "young kid." You were arrested several times as an adult. Trying to move away from your admission now suggests you are not being truthful. Many here believe you have a lot more criminal experience than you want to say, so you just post some BS about a 22 year old being a "young kid." You're a lying phony about everything.
I don't think it's wise of you to insinuate things about other people's criminal past when you admit to having one of your own....
Yeah, I agree Anne.
but refuse to give the details and excuse your criminal behavior as "being a kid"....at 22....but real kids (under 18), according to you, are deserving of being sent off to abusive "rehabs". Anything to say about that?
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Whooter, 22 is not a "young kid." You were arrested several times as an adult. Trying to move away from your admission now suggests you are not being truthful. Many here believe you have a lot more criminal experience than you want to say, so you just post some BS about a 22 year old being a "young kid." You're a lying phony about everything.
I don't think it's wise of you to insinuate things about other people's criminal past when you admit to having one of your own....
Yeah, I agree Anne.
but refuse to give the details and excuse your criminal behavior as "being a kid"....at 22....but real kids (under 18), according to you, are deserving of being sent off to abusive "rehabs". Anything to say about that?
Anne I told everyone in a previous post that I was never sentenced, they were all for civil disobedience in high-school and college. They put us in jail a couple of times to put a scare into us and if we were underage then they would release us to our parents. To me 22 is just a kid.. my daughter use to call the neighbors children little kids when she was 7 years old......age is all relative.
Why do you get the impression that I think "real kids" under the age of 18 deserve to be in programs? I have been clear that programs should only be used as a last resort and are not good for all kids nor can resolve all the issues. The children should be referred to programs by a professional in my opinion.
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Private facility residential boarding schools experienced a reduction in revenue on an average of 20% over the past 2 years due to the economy so anymore erosion due to bad press may have tipped the scales for HLA pushing them into the red. CRC saw a 19% reduction in revenue last year but was able to offset that with a 14 % reduction in salaries and overhead expenses with the help of the closure of Mount Bachelor Academy. So CRC was fortunate that they can close a facility to offset a weak economy, whereas HLA doesn’t have any other revenue generation to turn to in tough times so it was a good move for them to cut their losses and change their name. Sometimes it is not worth fighting the battle because in the end right or wrong the negative press dominates and will affect your bottom line. Its good to see that HLA’s old website took the time to explain their move to those alumni and new parents who have come to visit.
So where are you getting your information Whooter?
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Unfortunately, there are forums on which craven individuals find a soapbox with a shroud. These sites and publications glorify the maliciousness and spinelessness of their contributors. They give the pathetic anger and destructive deceit of faceless cowards a medium of expression. They provide a veil of respectability to the ravings of those who would camouflage their identity in order to escape the consequences of real scrutiny regarding their honor and integrity. Indeed, these forums, many times, shelter and promote dishonor and fabrication. Because the written word has power, far too many citizens believe that, if it is written and posted or published, it must hold some intrinsic value. If the medium presents anonymously written articles or posts, it must be examined for the veracity of these items.
I find it odd that Buch is crying about this now, when he had no qualms about sending his own lapdogs on here who made every attempt to only treat all of us far worse, but out us and release personal information on an open forum. Or even better, why Buch dont you mention how you had one of your puppets call DJ in the middle of the night to threaten his wife? Wouldnt those actions be considered examples of pathetic anger and destructive deceit?
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Look, DJ, you dont need to threaten everyone that disagrees with you. I think we all know that if it were not for your criminal past that you would still be working in the TT industry instead of posting here on fornits to establish a resume that doesnt exist in real life. Maybe when you took this anger of yours out on the kids is why HLA decide to release you. I believe you have a past post where you admitted this unless you edited it out all ready.
I don't think it's wise of you to insinuate things about other people's criminal past when you admit to having one of your own, but refuse to give the details and excuse your criminal behavior as "being a kid"....at 22....but real kids (under 18), according to you, are deserving of being sent off to abusive "rehabs".
Just because your criminal past was as a minor, does not give you the right to judge anyone either. Whooters charges which came from protesting and advocating are much more respectable charges then selling dope at schools as DJ had done.
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Unfortunately, there are forums on which craven individuals find a soapbox with a shroud. These sites and publications glorify the maliciousness and spinelessness of their contributors. They give the pathetic anger and destructive deceit of faceless cowards a medium of expression. They provide a veil of respectability to the ravings of those who would camouflage their identity in order to escape the consequences of real scrutiny regarding their honor and integrity. Indeed, these forums, many times, shelter and promote dishonor and fabrication. Because the written word has power, far too many citizens believe that, if it is written and posted or published, it must hold some intrinsic value. If the medium presents anonymously written articles or posts, it must be examined for the veracity of these items.
I find it odd that Buch is crying about this now, when he had no qualms about sending his own lapdogs on here who made every attempt to only treat all of us far worse, but out us and release personal information on an open forum. Or even better, why Buch dont you mention how you had one of your puppets call DJ in the middle of the night to threaten his wife? Wouldnt those actions be considered examples of pathetic anger and destructive deceit?
IMO, Foy Tootle made ample use of a good thesaurus, not to mention a hefty set of blinders, for that lil essay (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=30445&start=30#p373503)... :D
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Unfortunately, there are forums on which craven individuals find a soapbox with a shroud. These sites and publications glorify the maliciousness and spinelessness of their contributors. They give the pathetic anger and destructive deceit of faceless cowards a medium of expression. They provide a veil of respectability to the ravings of those who would camouflage their identity in order to escape the consequences of real scrutiny regarding their honor and integrity. Indeed, these forums, many times, shelter and promote dishonor and fabrication. Because the written word has power, far too many citizens believe that, if it is written and posted or published, it must hold some intrinsic value. If the medium presents anonymously written articles or posts, it must be examined for the veracity of these items.
I find it odd that Buch is crying about this now, when he had no qualms about sending his own lapdogs on here who made every attempt to only treat all of us far worse, but out us and release personal information on an open forum. Or even better, why Buch dont you mention how you had one of your puppets call DJ in the middle of the night to threaten his wife? Wouldnt those actions be considered examples of pathetic anger and destructive deceit?
IMO, Foy Tottle made ample use of a good thesaurus, not to mention a hefty set of blinders, for that lil essay (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=30445&start=30#p373503)... :D
Well he might of used a thesaurus but still he hit it right on the head of the nail, characterizing the lot here.
I don't think in the brief period of time I've been here, have I heard a more "dead on" characterization of some of you fornitters.
Look above I have highlighted special traits concerning the lot here.
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Danny do more than just a periphary scan through the threads on the HLA forum and tell us how you feel about the HLA staffers actions on here. I'll be interested to hear if your same standards apply.
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Not to get off track here : http://www.momlogic.com/2009/12/saving_ ... dustry.php (http://www.momlogic.com/2009/12/saving_troubled_teens_a_greedy_industry.php)
CRC is owned by Bain Capital - Mitt Romney. If Romney is looking at 2012, it makes sense to chuck CRC asap. It only takes one investigative reporter to link up, along with the Miller hearings. Children have perished and denial for Romney will go only so far, unless he was sleepwalking during the hearings. CRC is bad karma for Romney.
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Danny do more than just a periphary scan through the threads on the HLA forum and tell us how you feel about the HLA staffers actions on here. I'll be interested to hear if your same standards apply.
I don't have to I lived just around the corner in another town in Georgia, I know just about every person of interest then and now. Thanks anyway.
HLA happened, that chapter is over. They have re-opened under another name Ridgecreek, lets have are focus be there now.
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Because they changed their name, Danny wants to give them a clean slate. Absolutely disgusting.
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Danny do more than just a periphary scan through the threads on the HLA forum and tell us how you feel about the HLA staffers actions on here. I'll be interested to hear if your same standards apply.
I don't have to I lived just around the corner in another town in Georgia, I know just about every person of interest then and now. Thanks anyway.
HLA happened, that chapter is over. They have re-opened under another name Ridgecreek, lets have are focus be there now.
Are you claiming you knew what was going on there, and you did nothing to help any of those kids?
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Danny do more than just a periphary scan through the threads on the HLA forum and tell us how you feel about the HLA staffers actions on here. I'll be interested to hear if your same standards apply.
I don't have to I lived just around the corner in another town in Georgia, I know just about every person of interest then and now. Thanks anyway.
HLA happened, that chapter is over. They have re-opened under another name Ridgecreek, lets have are focus be there now.
Are you claiming you knew what was going on there, and you did nothing to help any of those kids?
"Am I claiming" and "you did nothing to help those kids", such bold words. Sounds like your getting ready to do a article for the NY Times. Are you going to make me famous like Matt, Felice, Wanye K. and the rest here. I think I will be in Chap. 5 of some book by next year sometime.
What I said assbag is I know the people who were involved with HLA and the current folks with Ridgecreek. Now if you know me I don't go for sensationalism reading. So take your drama queen shit and shove it up your ass.
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So the question remains, what did you do for any of these kids? If it's nothing then just say so and we can move on.
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Are you claiming you knew what was going on there, and you did nothing to help any of those kids?
"Am I claiming" and "you did nothing to help those kids", such bold words. Sounds like your getting ready to do a article for the NY Times. Are you going to make me famous like Matt, Felice, Wanye K. and the rest here. I think I will be in Chap. 5 of some book by next year sometime.
What I said assbag is I know the people who were involved with HLA and the current folks with Ridgecreek. Now if you know me I don't go for sensationalism reading. So take your drama queen shit and shove it up your ass.
Good for you, DannyB II, you size people up fairly quickly.
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Joel, I have been reading some of your posts or rebuttals you have written, especially to DannyB II, Suck IT and Whooter. I am not abreast to your relationship with them (the intricacies) , which is fine, but I have noticed a particular trend of yours. There is the obvious, first, you're a critic of them often, second, you try to invalidate what they post and third, which is the strangest, you go on to talk with the jargon, I guess you used in your program, what ? 15 yrs. ago. Why do you communicate with others in this weird lingo/shop talk?
I don't believe DannyB II was even in a program such as yours, Whooter was not and Suck IT could not care less. Joel why are you still stuck in this time warp, when you were in your program?
You really have a problem here Joel, I think.
Whenever DannyB II comments, you have to interfere with your projections, theorizing what you think he is communicating according to your experiences with your particular program.
Just trying to help, Joel.
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Hey T,
Get outta' your head.
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T-Rex when you list off multiple people like that, it's actually only one or two people that hide behind multiple screen names.
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T-Rex when you list off multiple people like that, it's actually only one or two people that hide behind multiple screen names.
Like yourself?????
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Nope. I've never been interested in the same game that Whooter likes to play, I just have this one log in name. Why do you ask?
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Nope. I've never been interested in the same game that Whooter likes to play, I just have this one log in name. Why do you ask?
I can personally attested for RobertBruces ... err I mean ConcernedParent, errr wait, Dysfunction Junctions', Thewho.'s, (shall we continue?) character. They mean well and dont intend to troll or hurt anyone. They are soley interested in a blanced conversation about the facts and by no means intend to disrupt the current conversation or attack anyone....lol.
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Well Whooter, whenever you feel like offering up some sort of basis or evidence I'll be glad to hear it, until then you're just bloviating. Not unlike Danny in the Calo forum, spewing off meaningless nonsense that doesn't affect anyone.
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Well Whooter, whenever you feel like offering up some sort of basis or evidence I'll be glad to hear it, until then you're just bloviating. Not unlike Danny in the Calo forum, spewing off meaningless nonsense that doesn't affect anyone.
Evidence? I think you just provided it, Bruce, thank you. You tip your hand so easily. lol
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Again Whooter, you're hoping by saying nothing of any substance, that people will assume you know what you're talking about. I'll tell you what you can do. Why not preface each comment you make by stating which personality you're speaking under? That way when you forget to change your log in name we'll all know which one you meant to be.
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Again Whooter, you're hoping by saying nothing of any substance, that people will assume you know what you're talking about. I'll tell you what you can do. Why not preface each comment you make by stating which personality you're speaking under? That way when you forget to change your log in name we'll all know which one you meant to be.
Okay, Dysfunction Junction... wait ConcernedParent err I meant to say RobertBruce. Let us know how that works out for you.
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Again Whooter, you're hoping by saying nothing of any substance, that people will assume you know what you're talking about. I'll tell you what you can do. Why not preface each comment you make by stating which personality you're speaking under? That way when you forget to change your log in name we'll all know which one you meant to be.
RB, Whooter is just on the troll as usual. If you noticed, he doesn't post anymore unless he's trolling you or me. He didn't post for several days when neither of us posted, but as soon as he saw you post he was right there to troll you. He's of no consequence, just a lame troll. He has never added anything of value to Fornits, as his intention has only been to disrupt and derail which he has done since he got here. This is nothing new.
He already admitted to posting under several usernames, so of course he's been busted. Now he's just trying to muddy the waters by trolling because his whole identity here has been destroyed and he has no credibility. This is what he does. When he has been caught lying he calls everyone else a liar. When he has been caught with multiple user names he accuses everyone else of doing it, too. He's a big phony liar and is upset that he's been exposed. Only now he's been forced out of the shadows and has to log in so he can't avoid the accountability of his trolling.
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Whooter is just on the troll as usual.
You'd think it wouldn't be his time of the month at some point, wouldn't you?
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Again Whooter, you're hoping by saying nothing of any substance, that people will assume you know what you're talking about. I'll tell you what you can do. Why not preface each comment you make by stating which personality you're speaking under? That way when you forget to change your log in name we'll all know which one you meant to be.
RB, Whooter is just on the troll as usual. If you noticed, he doesn't post anymore unless he's trolling you or me. He didn't post for several days when neither of us posted, but as soon as he saw you post he was right there to troll you. He's of no consequence, just a lame troll. He has never added anything of value to Fornits, as his intention has only been to disrupt and derail which he has done since he got here. This is nothing new.
He already admitted to posting under several usernames, so of course he's been busted. Now he's just trying to muddy the waters by trolling because his whole identity here has been destroyed and he has no credibility. This is what he does. When he has been caught lying he calls everyone else a liar. When he has been caught with multiple user names he accuses everyone else of doing it, too. He's a big phony liar and is upset that he's been exposed. Only now he's been forced out of the shadows and has to log in so he can't avoid the accountability of his trolling.
You should go back to logging in as RobertBruce, ConcernedParent or one of the others. Your frustration and anger is showing now that you have been exposed and can no longer troll everyone as a guest. We have severely limited this ability by forcing you to log in under your username(s).
Everyone reading here knows that I have had my posts laid out for everyone to see a few times (upon request) and each time you were asked you ran away. The difference is I dont have anything to hide... and why did you run away each time? lol.
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Again Whooter, you're hoping by saying nothing of any substance, that people will assume you know what you're talking about. I'll tell you what you can do. Why not preface each comment you make by stating which personality you're speaking under? That way when you forget to change your log in name we'll all know which one you meant to be.
RB, Whooter is just on the troll as usual. If you noticed, he doesn't post anymore unless he's trolling you or me. He didn't post for several days when neither of us posted, but as soon as he saw you post he was right there to troll you. He's of no consequence, just a lame troll. He has never added anything of value to Fornits, as his intention has only been to disrupt and derail which he has done since he got here. This is nothing new.
He already admitted to posting under several usernames, so of course he's been busted. Now he's just trying to muddy the waters by trolling because his whole identity here has been destroyed and he has no credibility. This is what he does. When he has been caught lying he calls everyone else a liar. When he has been caught with multiple user names he accuses everyone else of doing it, too. He's a big phony liar and is upset that he's been exposed. Only now he's been forced out of the shadows and has to log in so he can't avoid the accountability of his trolling.
You should go back to logging in as RobertBruce, ConcernedParent or one of the others. Your frustration and anger is showing now that you have been exposed and can no longer troll everyone as a guest. We have severely limited this ability by forcing you to log in under your username(s).
Everyone reading here knows that I have had my posts laid out for everyone to see a few times (upon request) and each time you were asked you ran away. The difference is I dont have anything to hide... and why did you run away each time? lol.
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Yet I didn't. Explain that how that fits within your logic Whooter. If you're correct (something I'm not sure has ever occured)) why would I offer to have my post linked repeatedly?
The fact is that you're the only who plays these cowardly little games Whooter. The same reason you don't back up your claims is the reason why you post under numerous obvious guises. You're a coward who can't stand accountability.
Oh and for the record you and your games were why the guest posts log ins were removed. You werent involed in the descion, it was mde because of you.
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Again Whooter, you're hoping by saying nothing of any substance, that people will assume you know what you're talking about. I'll tell you what you can do. Why not preface each comment you make by stating which personality you're speaking under? That way when you forget to change your log in name we'll all know which one you meant to be.
RB, Whooter is just on the troll as usual. If you noticed, he doesn't post anymore unless he's trolling you or me. He didn't post for several days when neither of us posted, but as soon as he saw you post he was right there to troll you. He's of no consequence, just a lame troll. He has never added anything of value to Fornits, as his intention has only been to disrupt and derail which he has done since he got here. This is nothing new.
He already admitted to posting under several usernames, so of course he's been busted. Now he's just trying to muddy the waters by trolling because his whole identity here has been destroyed and he has no credibility. This is what he does. When he has been caught lying he calls everyone else a liar. When he has been caught with multiple user names he accuses everyone else of doing it, too. He's a big phony liar and is upset that he's been exposed. Only now he's been forced out of the shadows and has to log in so he can't avoid the accountability of his trolling.
You should go back to logging in as RobertBruce, ConcernedParent or one of the others. Your frustration and anger is showing now that you have been exposed and can no longer troll everyone as a guest. We have severely limited this ability by forcing you to log in under your username(s).
Everyone reading here knows that I have had my posts laid out for everyone to see a few times (upon request) and each time you were asked you ran away. The difference is I dont have anything to hide... and why did you run away each time? lol.
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Yet I didn't. Explain that how that fits within your logic Whooter. If you're correct (something I'm not sure has ever occured)) why would I offer to have my post linked repeatedly?
The fact is that you're the only who plays these cowardly little games Whooter. The same reason you don't back up your claims is the reason why you post under numerous obvious guises. You're a coward who can't stand accountability.
Oh and for the record you and your games were why the guest posts log ins were removed. You werent involed in the descion, it was mde because of you.
You ran away each time, RB, DJ, Concerned parent etal.... I agreed to have my guest posts linked to my IP a few times, I got the job done and you did not. You might have claimed you asked but there have been no results. I know as a fact that you will run from it now.. you wont get it done.. we have been through this several times and for several years now so I wont badger you again to no avail..... bottom line is I have shown my guest posts and log ins several times and you have not. Until you do then you cannot point fingers.
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You're right Whooter, let's not rehash how you were utterly and entirely owned and shamed into silence. I used your own argument against you and tricked you proving without question that I don't post under various guises. You stupidly refused to believe setting higher and higher standards until Ginger actually had to come forward and shut you up for good. Funny how you got so quiet about it after that. Same way you run and hide every time you're faced with a question you're too afraid to answer. I'll tell you what Whooter, you know how I love embarrassing you. Why not ask me to publically request my posts be linked.....again. See what happens......again. I'll give you a clue, I'll make the same repeated request, and just like last time you can't link up what doesnt exist.
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You're right Whooter, let's not rehash how you were utterly and entirely owned and shamed into silence. I used your own argument against you and tricked you proving without question that I don't post under various guises. You stupidly refused to believe setting higher and higher standards until Ginger actually had to come forward and shut you up for good. Funny how you got so quiet about it after that. Same way you run and hide every time you're faced with a question you're too afraid to answer. I'll tell you what Whooter, you know how I love embarrassing you. Why not ask me to publically request my posts be linked.....again. See what happens......again. I'll give you a clue, I'll make the same repeated request, and just like last time you can't link up what doesnt exist.
Sting!!! lol. ... keep trolling my friend. Settle down and try to contribute here a little. It doesnt matter to me who you log in as just as long you dont attack people for their beliefs. Going forward try to treat other peoples experiences and posts with a little respect.
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I'm glad you've finally accepted the fact I only post under this name Whooter. It took you awhile to finally accept it, but I'm glad you eventually got there. Now we can move past your attempts to muck up yet another board and focus on the real topic at hand.
Now let's see if you can add anything worth paying attention to. What are your thoughts on signifigant food rationing as a form of punishment? Do you feel HLA should have done this?