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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: DannyB II on March 10, 2010, 03:27:37 PM
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AA SAVED MY LIFE. This is true.
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This is not the first time you have promised to move on..........
He can't help it. He's powerless.
Niel Peart of Rush wrote "if you choose not to choose, you still have made a choice", in the song "Freewill". I think there's an exception. If a person believes they cannot choose, they cannot make a choice. Perhaps that's not quite right. They still make choices, they just don't' believe they are the ones making the choices, conveniently absolving themselves of the consequences and guilt that goes with it. A person who believes himself to be powerless will give into whatever he believes he is destined to do, or whatever he believes his higher power wills to happen. Have another drink. Snort another line. Post again on the forum. Weakness is attributed to a lack of faith or the higher power's decision not to intervene, Strength is attributed to the higher power. Nothing is attributed to the self, and the self as a result is not held responsible. Living such a life is living as a slave to an imaginary tyrant, deprived of free will.
Personally I'd rather die than accept that as a belief system. Thankfully one doesn't have to. There are many recovery programs out there that don't teach a doctrine of powerlessness. Don't get me wrong or take this to mean I'm attacking religion. I'm not. Almost all religions teach that god gave man free will. Only AA denies this. There is no desire so strong that it can overpower the will to resist, and if you give in, it's still your choice. Christianity calls this temptation and sin (both choices, given to us by free will). AA calls it a disease and relapse (determinism) over which one is powerless. Only the former treats a person like a human being. I'm no fan of Christianity, but at least it doesn't convince people that they are slaves to their desires.
One Christian doctor's view of AA:
http://jbmyers.net/?page_id=11 (http://jbmyers.net/?page_id=11)
As mentioned previously, the Twelve Steps theory of loss of control, powerlessness, and the required action of a Higher Power is a religious-based treatment approach that has its religious roots in the ecumenical Oxford Group and the theological determinism of John Calvin. These deterministic features are present in the treatment methods of AA, Twelve Steps, and the disease model. In fairness, the disease model does not have its roots in religion but in the biological nature of disease, which is also deterministic in that we cannot choose to get sick.
Right, but a "sick" person cannot choose to get well either. Addicts can, and thus it's not really "getting well", rather "making healthier choices". Addiction is not a disease. It's a behavioral habit that can be broken.Because these two views of behavior share a common philosophy, they join together in their approach to addiction treatment. The misapplication of determinism to addiction behavior runs counter to the more practical and successful cognitive techniques described in Beck (1993), Schaler (2000), Peele (2004), and others. This determinism encourages people to define themselves in negative and self-defeating ways, such as “I am an alcoholic” or “I am an addict,” as if this is a part of one’s personhood. Note how this kind of confessional dominates in current AA and disease model approaches to addiction. It is not a mistake, or counter to Scripture, to suggest that individuals have choice, willpower, and control over their lives, even when it comes to addiction.
interestingly enough, browsing further on this guys' webpage -- it appears like many on Fornits he opposes both forced treatment and incarceration for drug use. He's rather eloquent in his arguments as well.
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This has been a surreal experience, reading this thread. I've actually tried to stay out of the fray for the most part, although I did make two posts in partial support of you, Danny. You probably won't find another person on this forum more willing to tolerate your boorishness than me, though I'm probably too dense to ascertain that correctly as well.
What's with all the mud-slinging and accusations? What the heck are you referring to with this:
"I did handle this in private with Ursus and Matt but they chose to handle in public."[/list]
Did you really think my resurrecting those old Elan posts was about YOU? I'm a bit OCD when it comes to preserving data. Any random knucklehead checking my posts would be compelled to concede that. As hard as it may be on your ego to come to terms with this, trust me, this feature of my personality has absolutely nothing to do with you.
Although I did notice that you had posted quite a bit in some of those threads, it didn't fully dawn on me that you might have been instrumental in their being axed in the first place ... 'till ya brought it up here.
It's been a real heartbreak for me trying to retrieve them; not all of the material is still in Google's cache. Some of these are grand old threads from all the way back in 2002. All the effort people have put into them over the years, all the injustices they tried to spell out and put on record, all ... gone. Why?
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This has been a surreal experience, reading this thread. I've actually tried to stay out of the fray for the most part, although I did make two posts in partial support of you, Danny. You probably won't find another person on this forum more willing to tolerate your boorishness than me, though I'm probably too dense to ascertain that correctly as well.
What's with all the mud-slinging and accusations? What the heck are you referring to with this:
"I did handle this in private with Ursus and Matt but they chose to handle in public."[/list]
Did you really think my resurrecting those old Elan posts was about YOU? I'm a bit OCD when it comes to preserving data. Any random knucklehead checking my posts would be compelled to concede that. As hard as it may be on your ego to come to terms with this, trust me, this feature of my personality has absolutely nothing to do with you.
Although I did notice that you had posted quite a bit in some of those threads, it didn't fully dawn on me that you might have been instrumental in their being axed in the first place ... 'till ya brought it up here.
It's been a real heartbreak for me trying to retrieve them; not all of the material is still in Google's cache. Some of these are grand old threads from all the way back in 2002. All the effort people have put into them over the years, all the injustices they tried to spell out and put on record, all ... gone. Why?
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When you answer some of the questions I have asked since day one (I have been here) then I have no problem answering yours.
Talk about surreal experiences and boorish behavior in the same post well ya.....Who are you, what are your credentials and what treatment experience did you have. Level the playing field my friend, give up the cookies... (To many cliches)...lol
Danny
P.S. you had every opportunity to explain yourself with responses to my emails on f/b, you chose to come here as Matt.
So please this delusional boorish behavior is so prevalent on here with you folks, it's like y'all act, "who me I'm above all that jeeberish, this is beneath me". Ursus trust me those posts were about me that you first posted. Coming off the heals of what transpired that day and so forth, they fact you live on this site, please. I will tell you this I and 7 other people (I trust) aren't stupid when we all came up with the same analysis. Thanks.....No your right I am not at all important, I am rather boring.
Go play with your 7 friends.
You are not happy unless you can attack someone.
Go start another thread and specifically name people who will not give you the time of day.
You are a Troll, always have been, always will be!
:shamrock: :suicide: :shamrock:
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(1.) AA denies god gave man free will, OK. (2.) AA religious roots came from Oxford, OK. (3.) AA calls addiction a disease, OK. Freewill plagiarizes everything he posts because he is why to young to have any experience what so ever.
I haven't plagiarized a damn thing (and those three statements are true, btw.). If you equate knowledge with ignorance you're even more far gone than I originally thought.
The three statements show your tremendous amount of ignorance and since you only intellectualize what you read,copy and paste it is hard to have a conversation with you. You have no sense of heart in what your talking about, your just regurgitating what you read.
Danny
The "heart" is nothing but blind animal impulses without the head. Both must be in balance. Perhaps you're finding me so difficult to understand because it's you that is out of balance. Perhaps its' you who have forgotten how to think for yourself and decide rationally and yes, intellectually, whether something makes sense or not. You can't "feel" the truth. Emotions can guide you, but they can also fool you and take you down the wrong path. Without the head, you're half-blind. Worse yet, you're intentionally blinding yourself out of fear. There is no such thing as "stinking thinking".
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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Yes I did like I told you while I was a resident and then for about a month and half after I graduated. Not while I was a employee. Now why would I tell him that when all of you knew I was and my posts said so. Matt never shut up long enough to listen, he was more interested in telling me what he remembered about Elan. The other fact here Felice you knew I was a Director so what is your fucking point. You know more about me then most so. I haven't lied about anything since I have been here. Once again someone got embarrassed so trash Danny to save face ''whatever'' that's why I wear the big britches because I can take the ass kicking. Stop being stupid Felice your smarter then this let your emotions die. You hate drama your such a liar.....lol.
Danny
What an angry little man you are. :flame:
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You think you can attribute my motives? Chile puhleeze!
I thought you were going away?
Fuck, I guess you and Art had a deal like the sheep dog and Wile E Coyote punchin the clock. Well, since it's your shift now could you please try to be a little more entertaining and creative than Art has been? We'll all appreciate it.
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Ok I have enjoyed my little holiday, but guess what...I am back. First off Danny, everyone has more than been gracious to you and you once again spit int the faces of many. I believe you need to just leave everyone alone. To everyone he is now attacking...I told you so...but no one wanted to listen to me when I told them what a viperous piece of crap you truly are.
Ginger has been more than compassionate towards a lot of us. Mike also has been very tolerant as well. Matt is a very nice man and I believe you need to apologize to him. How dare you talk shit about that man when he was there to stand up to ask us all to let you be. You take peoples kindness for weakness and that my friend is your biggest problem. As for that piece of crazy shit Art who cares we all saw his true colors time in and time out. Do we really need to focus on such a lost cause??
As for Felice, I know you will leave her alone as well, she has done nothing to you at all. If anything she has been very kind to everyone on a whole. I will not tolerate you fucking with her.
Ursus is very knowledgeable and has always approached things in a very reasonable approach. Seems to me Danny, you just got a God Damn problem with everyone. Fact is I never closed my eyes fully around you, I was never that sucked in by your good guy bullshit. I see you had a lot of fun insulting the shit out of people I care about while I was gone. Well Daniel I am back so stop your little bullshit or we will once again go a few rounds.
Danny I think you enjoy the conflict, does it help you digest or justify your past actions that haunt your soul? Whatever your problem is do not even try continueing your little chaos games. No one is going to pat you on the hand daily and thank you for your involvement any longer. Seriously we all hope that you go away.
I personally am extremely disappointed in you and your actions. How dare you try to belittle the people I consider wonderful knowledgable hardworking and compassionate. Matt has done more for me in talking over the phone than most, he unselfishly is there for everyone, how dare you even fuck with him.
The thing is Danny everyone really tried to give you a chance, and you slapped the hell out of us all. So take your shamrocks and plant them up your ass, you give yourself your own bad luck. :twofinger: :twofinger: :twofinger: :twofinger: :twofinger:
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Sharon,
Everyone tried to give me a chance here we go again, I don't want chances, friendship, acceptance, validation and any other words you can think of, never really have. What I do on fornits is none of your business I am not with you nor represent you. I thought I made this clear to you before. You come on here saying I disappoint you. Sorry but I am not representing Elan on this site I am here as a poster that's all. Works better that way for me here. I may post to Elan as I post every where else but I feel no obligation to Elan here on this site. We have other sites that are doing just fine and they have a single purpose Elan, administered and moderated by Elan. I like that.
Bye Bossey
Danny....
TROLL
Wake up
Post on Fornits
suck a cock
Post on Fornits
Shove a cucumber up his ass
Post on Fornits
Sodomize the cat
Post on Fornits
Suck off homeless man
Post on Fornits
Drink Whiskey
Post on Fornits
Suck off the dog
Post on Fornits
Pretend to be 35 different people posting on Fornits
Suck off the homeless man on the corner
Post on Fornits
Shove a dildo up his ass
Post on Fornits
Eat a bag of dogshit
Post on Fornits
fuck his whore mom
Post on Fornits
Drink more whiskey
Post on Fornits
whine about being caught posting on Fornits
Suck a cock
What a great quality of life :shamrock:
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In before, during, and after faggots who think their personalities matter.
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Ok I have enjoyed my little holiday, but guess what...I am back. First off Danny, everyone has more than been gracious to you and you once again spit int the faces of many. I believe you need to just leave everyone alone. To everyone he is now attacking...I told you so...but no one wanted to listen to me when I told them what a viperous piece of crap you truly are.
Ginger has been more than compassionate towards a lot of us. Mike also has been very tolerant as well. Matt is a very nice man and I believe you need to apologize to him. How dare you talk shit about that man when he was there to stand up to ask us all to let you be. You take peoples kindness for weakness and that my friend is your biggest problem. As for that piece of crazy shit Art who cares we all saw his true colors time in and time out. Do we really need to focus on such a lost cause??
As for Felice, I know you will leave her alone as well, she has done nothing to you at all. If anything she has been very kind to everyone on a whole. I will not tolerate you fucking with her.
Ursus is very knowledgeable and has always approached things in a very reasonable approach. Seems to me Danny, you just got a God Damn problem with everyone. Fact is I never closed my eyes fully around you, I was never that sucked in by your good guy bullshit. I see you had a lot of fun insulting the shit out of people I care about while I was gone. Well Daniel I am back so stop your little bullshit or we will once again go a few rounds.
Danny I think you enjoy the conflict, does it help you digest or justify your past actions that haunt your soul? Whatever your problem is do not even try continueing your little chaos games. No one is going to pat you on the hand daily and thank you for your involvement any longer. Seriously we all hope that you go away.
I personally am extremely disappointed in you and your actions. How dare you try to belittle the people I consider wonderful knowledgable hardworking and compassionate. Matt has done more for me in talking over the phone than most, he unselfishly is there for everyone, how dare you even fuck with him.
The thing is Danny everyone really tried to give you a chance, and you slapped the hell out of us all. So take your shamrocks and plant them up your ass, you give yourself your own bad luck. :twofinger: :twofinger: :twofinger: :twofinger: :twofinger:
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Sharon,
Everyone tried to give me a chance here we go again, I don't want chances, friendship, acceptance, validation and any other words you can think of, never really have. What I do on fornits is none of your business I am not with you nor represent you. I thought I made this clear to you before. You come on here saying I disappoint you. Sorry but I am not representing Elan on this site I am here as a poster that's all. Works better that way for me here. I may post to Elan as I post every where else but I feel no obligation to Elan here on this site. We have other sites that are doing just fine and they have a single purpose Elan, administered and moderated by Elan. I like that.
Bye Bossey
Danny....
TROLL
Wake up
Post on Fornits
suck a cock
Post on Fornits
Shove a cucumber up his ass
Post on Fornits
Sodomize the cat
Post on Fornits
Suck off homeless man
Post on Fornits
Drink Whiskey
Post on Fornits
Suck off the dog
Post on Fornits
Pretend to be 35 different people posting on Fornits
Suck off the homeless man on the corner
Post on Fornits
Shove a dildo up his ass
Post on Fornits
Eat a bag of dogshit
Post on Fornits
fuck his whore mom
Post on Fornits
Drink more whiskey
Post on Fornits
whine about being caught posting on Fornits
Suck a cock
What a great quality of life :shamrock:
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Hey Danny........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=GToHIiPQsKc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=GToHIiPQsKc)