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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 14, 2009, 02:37:29 AM
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I am working in a local grocery where some teenagers come in while on "leave" from their program.
One program caught my interest and during my reserch I found a parenting thread about a mother suspecting abuse: abuse - or - not (http://http://www.conductdisorders.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29691)
It could be abuse, but this is also a proven method of rehabilitation- and not all using this are abusing the patient
Is abuse a proven method of rehabilitation?
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from the linkyou provided:
The first 2 signs of abuse is for the abuser to get the victim isolated, and then cut off from family and friends.........
Sandpoint,You bring up an interesting question. I would say it would depend on the person and in your case you are doing just fine. You can pretty much take any experience and redefine it as abusive. Being isolated and cut off from friends can mean being grounded for a week without your cell phone, yet we don’t call 911 when this happens. So you need to place things in perspective and not search for excuses nor allow others to convince you that you were abused. This negative thinking can only make things worse and further fuel your depression. Focus on the people and events that make you happy and bring them closer and think of them more often instead of these negative thoughts.
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Of course abuse is theraputic: look at John McCain! He spent years in a cage being tortured and looky, he almost became president! I have a basement, some cages located right under a drippy sewer line (aroma therapy extra) to rehabilitate your kids and I charge less than a program.
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Everyone on that Conduct Disorders forum needs to be raped to death. There's no excuse for any of that shit. One can only hope that their kids commit suicide, if only to stem the damage done to humanity by them being allowed to breed.
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Of course abuse is theraputic: look at John McCain! He spent years in a cage being tortured and looky, he almost became president! I have a basement, some cages located right under a drippy sewer line (aroma therapy extra) to rehabilitate your kids and I charge less than a program.
Exactly, also did he spend his live moaning about the North Koreans? Or blame them for losing the president bid? Did he spend his life trying to convince everyone that "All" Koreans are the same and will torture you if you give them the chance?
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Exactly, also did he spend his live moaning about the North Koreans?
the North Koreans
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U.S. News & World Report
John McCain, Prisoner of War: A First-Person Account (http://http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account.html)
By John S. McCain III, Lieut. Commander, U.S. Navy
Posted January 28, 2008
John McCain spent 5½ years in captivity as a POW in North Vietnam. His first-person account of that harrowing ordeal was published in U.S. News in May 1973. Shot down in his Skyhawk dive bomber on Oct. 26, 1967, Navy flier McCain was taken prisoner with fractures in his right leg and both arms. He received minimal care and was kept in wretched conditions that he describes vividly in the U.S. News special report:
This story originally appeared in the May 14, 1973, issue of U.S.News & World Report. It was posted online on January 28, 2008.
Of the many personal accounts coming to light about the almost unbelievably cruel treatment accorded American prisoners of war in Vietnam, none is more dramatic than that of Lieut. Commander John S. McCain III—Navy flier, son of the admiral who commanded the war in the Pacific, and a prisoner who came in "for special attention" during 5½ years of captivity in North Vietnam.
[Click title link to continue reading for 17 more pages...]
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Edifying the who? His brain is like teflon (slippery and emits toxic fumes).
While we’re on dumb provocation Who posts, I’m pretty sure it posted the fourth one in on this thread due to some dark inner conflict. Sad troll.
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Of course abuse is theraputic: look at John McCain! He spent years in a cage being tortured and looky, he almost became president! I have a basement, some cages located right under a drippy sewer line (aroma therapy extra) to rehabilitate your kids and I charge less than a program.
Exactly, also did he spend his live moaning about the North Koreans? Or blame them for losing the president bid? Did he spend his life trying to convince everyone that "All" Koreans are the same and will torture you if you give them the chance?
God, he's dumb. Using his logic, all kids in programs are spending their lives maoning about the post office. What an idiot.
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Of course abuse is theraputic: look at John McCain! He spent years in a cage being tortured and looky, he almost became president! I have a basement, some cages located right under a drippy sewer line (aroma therapy extra) to rehabilitate your kids and I charge less than a program.
Exactly, also did he spend his live moaning about the North Koreans? Or blame them for losing the president bid? Did he spend his life trying to convince everyone that "All" Koreans are the same and will torture you if you give them the chance?
God, he's dumb. Using his logic, all kids in programs are spending their lives maoning about the post office. What an idiot.
Yes, he is. He's as dumb and ignorant a wretch that has ever lived.
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He always claims to be a great parent too. What are his kids doing while he posts on Fornits 16 hours a day? We all know he neglects his kids because he never leaves the computer. "Daddy, please stop using the computer! We're hungry and need baths!" "I told you, when I'm DONE!!" "But you're never done, daddy!" Yeah he's a great parent all right.
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Of course abuse is theraputic: look at John McCain! He spent years in a cage being tortured and looky, he almost became president! I have a basement, some cages located right under a drippy sewer line (aroma therapy extra) to rehabilitate your kids and I charge less than a program.
Exactly, also did he spend his live moaning about the North Koreans? Or blame them for losing the president bid? Did he spend his life trying to convince everyone that "All" Koreans are the same and will torture you if you give them the chance?
God, he's dumb. Using his logic, all kids in programs are spending their lives maoning about the post office. What an idiot.
The post office? Ha,Ha,Ha I get it, veterans.. posts office!! Going "postal"!!!. I think many of the ones who went postal and killed their friends blamed the post office for their problems... kind of an eerie connection. I wonder if the postal people have a forum to discuss how abusive their industry is? I wonder if they blame the North Koreans also.
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No, you're actually so dumb you don't get it. If McCain bitched about the North Koreans, who you claim held him prisoner, even though it was the North Vietnamese (you apparently don't know the difference between these countries) that would be like program kids bitching about someone other than the program, like dentists or mail order catalogues. God, you're stupid. No wonder you can't get a job.
Where are your kids while you spent your whole Saturday on Fornits complaining about people on Fornits, of which you are the most frequent poster? Guess they had to miss out again, huh?
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No, you're actually so dumb you don't get it. If McCain bitched about the North Koreans, who you claim held him prisoner, even though it was the North Vietnamese (you apparently don't know the difference between these countries) that would be like program kids bitching about someone other than the program, like dentists or mail order catalogues. God, you're stupid. No wonder you can't get a job.
Where are your kids while you spent your whole Saturday on Fornits complaining about people on Fornits, of which you are the most frequent poster? Guess they had to miss out again, huh?
or maybe a better example would be like kids who complain about their parents when it was the kids actions which ended them up in the program. Then when they dont apply themselves and end up at age 20 without a degree they start to moan about how abusive the program was and how it ruined their lives. They have to blame someone right. Couldnt possibly be their own fault.
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No, you're actually so dumb you don't get it. If McCain bitched about the North Koreans, who you claim held him prisoner, even though it was the North Vietnamese (you apparently don't know the difference between these countries) that would be like program kids bitching about someone other than the program, like dentists or mail order catalogues. God, you're stupid. No wonder you can't get a job.
Where are your kids while you spent your whole Saturday on Fornits complaining about people on Fornits, of which you are the most frequent poster? Guess they had to miss out again, huh?
He neglects his children to feed his ego on Fornits. Pretty sad.
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No, you're actually so dumb you don't get it. If McCain bitched about the North Koreans, who you claim held him prisoner, even though it was the North Vietnamese (you apparently don't know the difference between these countries) that would be like program kids bitching about someone other than the program, like dentists or mail order catalogues. God, you're stupid. No wonder you can't get a job.
Where are your kids while you spent your whole Saturday on Fornits complaining about people on Fornits, of which you are the most frequent poster? Guess they had to miss out again, huh?
He neglects his children to feed his ego on Fornits. Pretty sad.
Nice argument! Thanks for posting!
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Yeah, I like to post the truth. You neglect your kids. Plain and simple. Thanks for admitting it and agreeing with me.
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No, you're actually so dumb you don't get it. If McCain bitched about the North Koreans, who you claim held him prisoner, even though it was the North Vietnamese (you apparently don't know the difference between these countries) that would be like program kids bitching about someone other than the program, like dentists or mail order catalogues. God, you're stupid. No wonder you can't get a job.
Where are your kids while you spent your whole Saturday on Fornits complaining about people on Fornits, of which you are the most frequent poster? Guess they had to miss out again, huh?
or maybe a better example would be like kids who complain about their parents when it was the kids actions which ended them up in the program. Then when they dont apply themselves and end up at age 20 without a degree they start to moan about how abusive the program was and how it ruined their lives. They have to blame someone right. Couldnt possibly be their own fault.
Well until about the age of 23- 25 kids identify themselves as an extension of their family. Anything that goes right or wrong in their lives is associated and ties back with the family unit. So it is understandable for kids to initially blame their parents or the program for their situation. But as the child matures they start to take accountability for their own lives and actions. At this point they start to realize how they screwed up and what they put their parents and family through. drugs and alcohol slow down the maturation process so some people take longer than others to come to terms with what they did in their past and apologize to their family.
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it was the kids actions which ended them up in the program.
wrongy dongy, it was the parents reaction to the kids actions that caused the
to incarcerate their kids. McCain may not have whined about the North Koreans but he has sure as heck spoken loud and clear about his treatment at the hands of the North Vietnamese...
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Abuse is not rehabilitation. You can't teach respect via abuse. Another thing is, that many kids sent to programs are NOT bad kids. They are neglected, different, or oppositional. I went to a program. I was depressed and could not stay in school. I also had some traumatic experiences. I was a not a druggie, a liar, a whore - I never even stole anything! I did not deserve to be manipulated, lied to, emotionally and psychologically abused and exploited. I did not learn to respect or value myself at the program. I learned to shut up and take the abuse.
Honestly, the inquiry itself - "abuse as rehab" is just insulting.
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Well until about the age of 23- 25 kids identify themselves as an extension of their family. Anything that goes right or wrong in their lives is associated and ties back with the family unit. So it is understandable for kids to initially blame their parents or the program for their situation. But as the child matures they start to take accountability for their own lives and actions. At this point they start to realize how they screwed up and what they put their parents and family through. drugs and alcohol slow down the maturation process so some people take longer than others to come to terms with what they did in their past and apologize to their family.
I have seen this as well, the kids who are still blaming programs and their parents well into their late 20's are still abusing substances like drugs and alcohol. But eventually they mature. Drugs dont stop the maturation process they just severly retard the process so they do eventually mature. You will notice the typical poster here are in their early 20's.
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Well until about the age of 23- 25 kids identify themselves as an extension of their family. Anything that goes right or wrong in their lives is associated and ties back with the family unit. So it is understandable for kids to initially blame their parents or the program for their situation. But as the child matures they start to take accountability for their own lives and actions. At this point they start to realize how they screwed up and what they put their parents and family through. drugs and alcohol slow down the maturation process so some people take longer than others to come to terms with what they did in their past and apologize to their family.
I have seen this as well, the kids who are still blaming programs and their parents well into their late 20's are still abusing substances like drugs and alcohol. But eventually they mature. Drugs dont stop the maturation process they just severly retard the process so they do eventually mature. You will notice the typical poster here are in their early 20's.
Not Mike Reuben. He completed 2 programs that you recommend and support. Finished both. Then he killed himself with heroin. Your logic doesn't hold water.
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Abuse is not rehabilitation. You can't teach respect via abuse. Another thing is, that many kids sent to programs are NOT bad kids. They are neglected, different, or oppositional. I went to a program. I was depressed and could not stay in school. I also had some traumatic experiences. I was a not a druggie, a liar, a whore - I never even stole anything! I did not deserve to be manipulated, lied to, emotionally and psychologically abused and exploited. I did not learn to respect or value myself at the program. I learned to shut up and take the abuse.
Honestly, the inquiry itself - "abuse as rehab" is just insulting.
I agree, and thought so from the start of this thread. :feedtrolls:
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Well until about the age of 23- 25 kids identify themselves as an extension of their family. Anything that goes right or wrong in their lives is associated and ties back with the family unit. So it is understandable for kids to initially blame their parents or the program for their situation. But as the child matures they start to take accountability for their own lives and actions. At this point they start to realize how they screwed up and what they put their parents and family through. drugs and alcohol slow down the maturation process so some people take longer than others to come to terms with what they did in their past and apologize to their family.
I have seen this as well, the kids who are still blaming programs and their parents well into their late 20's are still abusing substances like drugs and alcohol. But eventually they mature. Drugs dont stop the maturation process they just severly retard the process so they do eventually mature. You will notice the typical poster here are in their early 20's.
Really???!! That's News to me! Gotta wonder what respite YOU find here, were that indeed the case! :roflmao:
Btw, nice touch, stringing all these posts responding to one another 'bout the demographics of teen drug abuse... I'm sure someone will find your conversation with self r-e-a-l helpful. :D
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I suppose sometimes Abuse can be rehabilitation.............
The State of wisconsin FORCED me to take so many Psych drugs that I never want to see another drug again.
Thats so evil. Is this still an issue? If you dont feel comfortable answering, please dont. But I hope you have managed to escape psychiatry mandated torture.
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^^ glad u finally decided to get honest about yourself ^^
Happy thx giving!