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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: Oscar on October 02, 2009, 08:24:36 AM
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sunset bay academy will not release my son (http://http://www.topix.com/forum/city/san-ysidro-ca/TLUMDCPI44F1RU7S6), a thread on Topix.com
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So this is Sunset Bay Academy, aka Seaside Academy, aka Oceanside Teen Center, aka Oceanside Academy. Perhaps also even Pacific Coast Academy.
"My son needs two classes to graduate which totals to 4 credits."[/list]
Betcha WWASPS is gonna try to stretch that into a year and a half.
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sunset bay academy will not release my son (http://http://www.topix.com/forum/city/san-ysidro-ca/TLUMDCPI44F1RU7S6)
Posted in the San Ysidro Forum
Trenise Brown Ellicott City, MD
#1 Wednesday Sep 23
September 21, 2009
To whom this may concern,
My name is Trenise Brown and I’m the mother of Aaron Brown. I need assistance with getting my son out of a boot camp called Sunset Bay Academy formally known as Seaside Academy, Pacific View Academy, and Oceanside Teen Center in Rosarito Mexico. His father, Tory Brown told me that this school was in San Ysidro, Calif. Once Aaron missed school I had agreed with his father that he attend this school. I faxed a letter to Sunset Bay Academy stating that I give permission to have my son attend their school.I received a call from my son on Wednesday morning Sept 16th that he had been awaken out of his sleep at 3am and drugged in a car and taken to Mexico. My son was frantically crying and begging me to get him out of here. I called his father and his father said yes the school is in Rosarito Mexico. I signed and faxed this letter under false pretenses. I had no idea and believed the school to be at 641 E San Ysidro Blvd PMB# 828 San Ysidro, CA 92173. The physical address of the school is CENTRO DE BIENESTAR FAMILIAR S DE RL DE CV CALLE TIJUANA #601, COLONIA MACHADO
CP. 22701, PLAYAS DE ROSARITO, BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO.This school is part of an organization called WWASP, President Ken Kay, ran multiple academies for trouble teens mainly those in and out of jail and with severe troubling issues with the law and fighting authority not ones who recently decided to drop out of school. My son needs two classes to graduate which totals to 4 credits. These academies have been shutdown, all but one, Sunset Bay Academy recently named Oceanside in June 2009. This is not the first time the name was changed and claimed to have moved but all the pictures look like the same hotel. Previous teens have stated they can’t believe this facility is still open and there are many blogs speaking about WWASP and its Level 6 program. This facility is known to have stayed in the same location but continues to change their mailing address any makes their website look more welcoming each time. WWASP is located in Utah, US and has many academies located in the US that are more trusted than the ones ran in Mexico and Jamaica.
I called the facility may of times border line harassment to get information on what was going on with my son and wanting to speak with him. I was denied every time I called to speak with him. I spoke with Claudia Sanchez who is the Communication Director and she informed me that I could not speak or see or speak with my child. I then called and spoke with Lilly M. Dena and she sent me an email on Sept 16 with their facilities handbook, directions, and academy information. I have attached info to this email. They have a 3 month program where he can’t call or communicate until he works up to those privileges. I beg of you to assist me with finding out if my son is being tortured, harmed, sleeping, or eating properly. I do plan to go to this facility to pick up my son. I bought him and airline ticket for this pass Saturday and they stopped taking my calls and won’t let anyone get any information on him except for Tory Brown his father.
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How was your husband able to get him across the border without a visa? it illegal for a parent to remove a minor who is a US citizen from the country without written consent of the other parent...you need a really good lawyer, preferably one who speaks Spanish...they are so corrupt down there you may be able to bribe a local cop to get him out. You may also have trouble getting him back into the country without a passport.
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Doing a Search for "Oceanside Academy," I landed on the following MerchantCircle page. I knew I had the right place when I saw the prominent ad for West Ridge Academy! :D
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Oceanside Academy (http://http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Oceanside.Academy.800-793-5156)
Oceanside 34 Palomar St
Chula Vista, CA 91911
800-793-5156
Merchant Information
Oceanside is located just a little over 20 miles south of San Diego, California, near the seaport town of Rosarito, Mexico. The setting is beautiful, peaceful, and conducive to change. Oceanside is specifically designed to help teens replace inappropriate attitudes, behaviors, and habits while at the same time excel academically. Oceanside is ideally located as it offers the benefits of a foreign site, with easy access to the U.S. At Oceanside, students are enriched and effectively impacted by a unique cultural experience in Mexico’s warm, simple surroundings. Students learn Spanish, which further enhances the process of change.
The benefits of a foreign site are numerous. First, the students are put into an entirely new environment, away from the negative friends and influences that have adversely affected their lives. Second, the teens discover that they are in an unfamiliar culture. As a result, the teens tend to be much more teachable and open to change and direction. Third, a foreign experience helps broaden the teen’s insight, awareness and perspective. Fourth, a foreign setting is much more impacting and instills a greater appreciation for home and family. Fifth, not only do the teens get the help they need, but a valuable foreign experience that they will likely remember and appreciate the rest of their lives. Additionally, due to the greater value of the U.S. dollar in Mexico, Oceanside can provide its services at a significant reduction of cost to families. All of these reasons make Mexico an excellent option for teens needing to make changes in their lives.
Main Website: http://prhoptions.com/oceanside.html (http://prhoptions.com/oceanside.html)
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Almost all the advice given in this thread is inaccurate. Don't let that stop you though! Someone needs to email this woman and bring her to the party.
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Well... it sure looks like a hotel (reputedly the former Hotel Camino Inn in Rosarito?)...
From Sunset Bay Academy's website (http://http://sunsetbayacademy.com/):
(http://http://sunsetbayacademy.com//images/pics/sidePic08.jpg)
(http://http://sunsetbayacademy.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_thumbnails/main_gallery_4/student_activities_1/sba_basketball_team_vs_sba_staff_20090924_1921162058.jpg) (http://http://sunsetbayacademy.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_thumbnails/main_gallery_4/student_activities_1/sba_basketball_team_vs_sba_staff_20090924_1490801573.jpg) (http://http://sunsetbayacademy.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_thumbnails/main_gallery_4/student_activities_1/sba_basketball_team_vs_sba_staff_20090924_1363885944.jpg)
SBA Basketball Team vs. SBA Staff
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How was your husband able to get him across the border without a visa? it illegal for a parent to remove a minor who is a US citizen from the country without written consent of the other parent...you need a really good lawyer, preferably one who speaks Spanish...they are so corrupt down there you may be able to bribe a local cop to get him out. You may also have trouble getting him back into the country without a passport.
The laws were just changed and you need a passport now to enter or leave Mexico and Canada from the U.S. borders.
As far as bribing goe's, the officials in the area are probably already bribed to protect and leave them alone.
If the child is a minor then it is still illegal for one parent to take him or her out of the country without written (and, I think properly notarized) consent of the other parent. Like I said she needs a really good attorney
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If the child is a minor then it is still illegal for one parent to take him or her out of the country without written (and, I think properly notarized) consent of the other parent. Like I said she needs a really good attorney
Tragically, she did give her written consent, albeit under false pretenses:
...His father, Tory Brown told me that this school was in San Ysidro, Calif. Once Aaron missed school I had agreed with his father that he attend this school. I faxed a letter to Sunset Bay Academy stating that I give permission to have my son attend their school.I received a call from my son on Wednesday morning Sept 16th that he had been awaken out of his sleep at 3am and drugged in a car and taken to Mexico. My son was frantically crying and begging me to get him out of here. I called his father and his father said yes the school is in Rosarito Mexico. I signed and faxed this letter under false pretenses. I had no idea and believed the school to be at 641 E San Ysidro Blvd PMB# 828 San Ysidro, CA 92173...
The father told her this school was in California. She faxed a statement giving her permission that her son attend this school to an address in California.
Unfortunately, the school itself is NOT in California.
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I would have to read the letter she faxed to know for sure but it does not sound like she gave her consent for her son to leave the country. The "school" may have gotten immigrations to interpret it that way but my understanding is that in order to take a minor child out of the country there has to be specific wording to that effect. Again: the woman needs a really good attorney who speaks and understands Spanish. Maybe a call to immigration, Mexican Consulate and the American Ambassador to Mexico.
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Oceanside Academy aka Oceanside Teen Center is marketed via the following websites (amongst others, undoubtedly). It would appear those pics are the same as those for Sunset Bay Academy?
Teen Help: http://troubledteenoptions.com/oceanside.html (http://troubledteenoptions.com/oceanside.html)
Parent Resource Hotline: http://prhoptions.com/oceanside.html (http://prhoptions.com/oceanside.html)
Cross Creek Admissions: http://www.ccpadmissions.com/oceanside.html (http://www.ccpadmissions.com/oceanside.html)[/list]
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Mom, you are not going to take any of these antisocial, narcissistic drug abusers advice are you. As far as sneaking across the border, Ursus has been borderline for most of her life. These other little Conduct disorders never made it in programs because they were to damn spoiled and their parents yanked them out and bought to new cars and in Toughlove parlance were rescuer rangers.
Sounds like you are a little bit of a rescuer rabbit. Do you have any evidence of criminal child abuse. Ursus would consider telling a kid to pick up their toys child abuse. You are having the proverbial blind lead the blind.
You are looking for rational direction from wounded emotionally disordered folks who can't even operate in society. Get the facts and get off of this site, it is pure poison.
FP
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Mom, you are not going to take any of these antisocial, narcissistic drug abusers advice are you. As far as sneaking across the border, Ursus has been borderline for most of her life. These other little Conduct disorders never made it in programs because they were to damn spoiled and their parents yanked them out and bought to new cars and in Toughlove parlance were rescuer rangers.
Sounds like you are a little bit of a rescuer rabbit. Do you have any evidence of criminal child abuse. Ursus would consider telling a kid to pick up their toys child abuse. You are having the proverbial blind lead the blind.
You are looking for rational direction from wounded emotionally disordered folks who can't even operate in society. Get the facts and get off of this site, it is pure poison.
FP
It sounds as though Miss Pearl has fallen off her wagon tonight. :D
I do hope she feels okay by tomorrow morning.
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Ursus, why don't you give the kind mother a run down on your rap sheet. First tell her what your drug history is, what the primary diagnosis was that put you in a program, how you did in the program and whether there are references she could get about your behavior in your program. Also let her know what you are doing now with your life other than trying to give advice when you have no background education or credibility, only hate for all programs and resentments for all program staff in all programs.
If this mother is getting advice from you, you should be a little more transparent as far as your credibility and background.
You never seem to want to come clean. I believe you are an older woman, likely with some emotional disorders, but please get a license and some education before you try to give clinical advice to this mother who's son was not placed in the school for missing sunday school.
How about it Ursus, give us just a little about your treatment history, or I would hope this mother would dismiss you without further adieu.
Fritz
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Ursus, why don't you give the kind mother a run down on your rap sheet. First tell her what your drug history is, what the primary diagnosis was that put you in a program, how you did in the program and whether there are references she could get about your behavior in your program. Also let her know what you are doing now with your life other than trying to give advice when you have no background education or credibility, only hate for all programs and resentments for all program staff in all programs.
If this mother is getting advice from you, you should be a little more transparent as far as your credibility and background.
You never seem to want to come clean. I believe you are an older woman, likely with some emotional disorders, but please get a license and some education before you try to give clinical advice to this mother who's son was not placed in the school for missing sunday school.
How about it Ursus, give us just a little about your treatment history, or I would hope this mother would dismiss you without further adieu.
Fritz
Lol, Miss Pearl, just keep them coming! It sure livens up a Saturday night! Where in this thread did I give advice? Did I tell you I am a hermaphrodite, who was strung out on snorting cinnamon? And that I have a rap sheet a half mile long for impersonating the Power Rangers and Mr. Magoo in algebra class? Alternate weeks; this is why I have such compelling identity crises. As a child I dismantled my father's lawnmower, and installed select parts in my mom's sewing machine! :rofl: They've never forgiven me.
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http://http://gomexico.about.com/od/entryrequirements/f/kids_entry.htm
It doesn't seem like there is anything set in stone regarding a visit to Mexico. They may check, they may not, or they may just wave you through because they don't care. You pass through Mexican customs to get into the country, and you pass through American customs to get into America. It would be impossible to say that it would be impossible to get a kid over the Mexican border.
Particularly if the father had a permission slip, even if it was a bullshit one.
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Ursus who is this Fritz, he seems to really support these programs
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So your parents were delusional when they assumed you were oppositional defiant or conduct disorder and required help?. Just a Victim for life?
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Ursus tell me you are not getting faint hearted and slipping deeper into denial. Do you still use drugs or alcohol. What would your parents say about your current status in life? When I said older I meant you were not a new graduate of a program but older failure from a program of which you harbor resentments for trying to help you. The purpose of the short abstract of your program history is for the poor mother that wants to rescue her child. If she knows that you failed in a program like Oceanside and have made it a lifelong job to tell parents nothing works and all programs are abuse then she can identify with you. I can just feel your oppositional personality and histrionic and narcissistic tone.
Come on Ursus your the big bear of this cult, show this mother you are smart and well healed emotionally, and not just continuing your old oppositional disorder into adult life, let this troubled mother know where the Bear does its bissiness.
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So your parents were delusional when they assumed you were oppositional defiant or conduct disorder and required help?. Just a Victim for life?
Ah... Dad had Aspergers, wonderful man, not an ounce of guile in him, but clueless about the depth of duplicity in these programs, or anyone else, for that matter. Mum... quite the opposite. As I've grown older, I've learned that this is not so unusual a pairing.
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Aspergers is a developmental disorder. It is an axis II disorder like mental retardation etc. However the smartest guy on Boston Legal, Jerry has aspergers, you know the guy with the wooden cigarette in his mouth in court and who also keeps his hands on his thighs. Many physicians and former program kids prob had asperg. However they aren't attacking the whole world and everyone in it. Would your mother, her mother, all of your siblings and aunts and uncles agree with you about the way you characterized your mother? Would her employers or the people at the program you were placed in agree? Have you received the results of an MMPI on your mother? Has your mother ever been arrested, have you?
Still blaming, blaming , blaming, blaming...........................................................
Hell don't you grow out of this shit e.g., harboring a lifetime of resentments, do you think the program people know you exist, as big and powerful as you believe you are. Are you that important that this mother is going to drop everything and turn her decision making over to you?
Fritz
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Ursus tell me you are not getting faint hearted and slipping deeper into denial. Do you still use drugs or alcohol. What would your parents say about your current status in life? When I said older I meant you were not a new graduate of a program but older failure from a program of which you harbor resentments for trying to help you. The purpose of the short abstract of your program history is for the poor mother that wants to rescue her child. If she knows that you failed in a program like Oceanside and have made it a lifelong job to tell parents nothing works and all programs are abuse then she can identify with you. I can just feel your oppositional personality and histrionic and narcissistic tone.
Come on Ursus your the big bear of this cult, show this mother you are smart and well healed emotionally, and not just continuing your old oppositional disorder into adult life, let this troubled mother know where the Bear does its bissiness.
My dad - R.I.P. This was a big loss for me, as we never got a chance to really talk ... post program. I am no longer in communication with the rest of my family, due to... well... program! Big surprise. And I have no illusions about Hyde School trying to "help me." Believe me, they created problems, big ones, where none or few existed previously.
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Back to the pertinent issue at hand in this thread, a key sentence in the mother's description of the situation is this:
"My son needs two classes to graduate which totals to 4 credits."[/list]
What the hell is the father doing sending this kid to a program that going to try to keep him there for as long as they can?! This is all about an apparent power struggle between dad and son; seriously, dad has a real problem, perhaps more likely with the ex-wife.
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You really believe the whole prob is 2 credits. No doobies, ecstasy, whiskey, defiance, violence. Did you do the intake. Have you spoken to the mean old dad who is victimizing this poor woman. Did you consider why the father has custody which the program would have had demanded verification of? Otherwise we are talking federal felony kidnapping and you and I both know that is not likely.
What is it going to take to get you to quit fighting. What are you getting out of it even if you were in a shit hole program? What would Barack say? Just keep spraying the area with unlimited machine gun rounds or get into a place to make change or let go and get some peace.
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Layne Meacham, how are you? Not even gonna try to appear not completely insane?
To the person asking who Fritz is it's this guy:Layne Meacham
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=28043&start=0 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=28043&start=0)
Layne, here, kidnapped and tortured some people, and he's upset Ursus mentioned it. As you can see, he's not all there mentally, yet unfortunately, the law being what it is(corrupt), he was allowed to get his grody mitts on some innocent people in PROCTOR ADVOCATE and YES FAMILIES.
Care to elaborate on how you got into that racket, Layne?
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Listen, if I don't want to talk about how I got caught buggering a horse in my aunt's barn I won't talk about it. Bad enough they caught me once, but even worse they caught me again later when I went back for our 1st Analversry. But yeah, after you get caught cornholing the same shetland pony twice your options are limited. You can't work at McDonalds as everyone has a pretty good idea where your hands have been. They won't let you work at the slaughter house because they'll say, "hey, we don't want our meat preseasoned here bucko!"
They won't let you work at the Piggly Wiggly because only the boss is supposed to bugger animals, not the bag boy. They've a bit of a buggery hierarchy way down south and god help you if you jump ahead of the boss.
So I guess the only thing left to me was working with troubled kids as no one really gives a shit about them.
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You really believe the whole prob is 2 credits. No doobies, ecstasy, whiskey, defiance, violence. Did you do the intake. Have you spoken to the mean old dad who is victimizing this poor woman. Did you consider why the father has custody which the program would have had demanded verification of? Otherwise we are talking federal felony kidnapping and you and I both know that is not likely.
What is it going to take to get you to quit fighting. What are you getting out of it even if you were in a shit hole program? What would Barack say? Just keep spraying the area with unlimited machine gun rounds or get into a place to make change or let go and get some peace.
Look, let's just cut to the chase. You know as well as I do about WWASPS' mentality regarding programs, and if you did any research about this particular one, you'd know that they are really hurting for money and trying to get kids in there, filling beds, and keeping them there as long as possible. This place keeps changing names, but it's the same damn former hotel, and it's about as pathetic as pathetic can be even for a program. If this program were in the U.S., it'd close in in a fortnight.
Be honest now, bro. Ya know, even from the standpoint of a programmie, which ya know I am not, but if I were... say... like you, even if your position and values were totally understandable, this particular set-up stinks.
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Well lets see now what kind of case could be filed. Libel per se for definitive statements about Layne Meacham engaging in beastiality, torture (child abuse),
kidnapping etc. Tracing is a two way street and all the crud that comes out of your mouth Ursus will be tucked away for prima facie evidence. I guess I got to close with your diagnosis and the real you. But you really blew it by libeling Meacham, you idiot I am his attorney and we have waited for this moment for months so keep it coming and I will keep on running a record for the Court. Sure hope you have transportation costs to come out to the Third District Court for Utah and to attend depositions. Now let her roll, your on the record Ursus and whoever else you have recruited. Your anger, hatred and resentments got the better of you and I will trace these entries down.
Sincerely,
Fritz
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Well lets see now what kind of case could be filed. Libel per se for definitive statements about Layne Meacham engaging in beastiality, torture (child abuse),
kidnapping etc. Tracing is a two way street and all the crud that comes out of your mouth Ursus will be tucked away for prima facie evidence. I guess I got to close with your diagnosis and the real you. But you really blew it by libeling Meacham, you idiot I am his attorney and we have waited for this moment for months so keep it coming and I will keep on running a record for the Court. Sure hope you have transportation costs to come out to the Third District Court for Utah and to attend depositions. Now let her roll, your on the record Ursus and whoever else you have recruited. Your anger, hatred and resentments got the better of you and I will trace these entries down.
Sincerely,
Fritz
Lol. Lol. Lol. The "buggering a horse" bit wasn't me, "Fritz." I was busy composing my reply, and I'm real slow, the anal-retentive and socially retarded kind of "slow." But... LUV YA anyway! :D
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Ursus,
I think you could be named in the complaint. The coward that actually libeled Mr. Meacham will be found and you are at least a witness. This is great, have you advised the administrator yet, Michael Crawford, he will be named in the complaint also. Now remember truth is a defense so if you have any evidence at all that isn't hearsay or from the newspaper (don't believe everything you read in the paper) lets see it. Any court dockets etc? Of course you have never been interested in the truth only revenge. WWASPSWe will fund the whole deal as will Benchmark and the other 100 programs, tell crawford to get his last 5 years of libel ready on this site. We are going to start making some calls to your favorite little schools that you have libeled over and over to get adequate funding. We finally have you cowards nailed so lawyer up with Elberg and be ready. As you know are funding will be unlimited! And you might as well start dusting off those program jackets because they will be discoverable as evidence to demonstrate malice.Now keep on rollin lets here some more charges of beastiality (felony), kidnapping (felony), child abuse (felony), all lible per se. I encourage you to continue the last statements right up until trial.
Carry on,
Fritz Pearl.
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Dear horsefucker, you'll note that no where in the parody posted earlier was the last name of Meacham mentioned. Good luck getting anyone to back you up on that one.
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Dear Libelist,
There is a heading for Layne Meacham and you obviously were making reference to it. It is curious that you responed again, this demonstrates your intent, can you roll out a little more. Maybe you should check with Michael Crawford to see if you are helping this site. Roll on now lets really hear some language. Maybe some federal agencies may have an interest. As you may recall you initially referred to Layne Meacham and it is obvious that you are the coward that deserved to be locked up and WWASPS will help see to it that you pay. Now keep it coming, stay creative and we will let the court decide about all the last five years of false allegations you have made about programs. You're on record so its your turn again.
Fritz Pearl
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Dear Horsefucker,
Best of luck in court.
:)
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Ursus,
For the record, has or is Hyde School committing child abuse?
Fritz
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Ursus,
I think you could be named in the complaint. The coward that actually libeled Mr. Meacham will be found and you are at least a witness. This is great, have you advised the administrator yet, Michael Crawford, he will be named in the complaint also. Now remember truth is a defense so if you have any evidence at all that isn't hearsay or from the newspaper (don't believe everything you read in the paper) lets see it. Any court dockets etc? Of course you have never been interested in the truth only revenge. WWASPSWe will fund the whole deal as will Benchmark and the other 100 programs, tell crawford to get his last 5 years of libel ready on this site. We are going to start making some calls to your favorite little schools that you have libeled over and over to get adequate funding. We finally have you cowards nailed so lawyer up with Elberg and be ready. As you know are funding will be unlimited! And you might as well start dusting off those program jackets because they will be discoverable as evidence to demonstrate malice.Now keep on rollin lets here some more charges of beastiality (felony), kidnapping (felony), child abuse (felony), all lible per se. I encourage you to continue the last statements right up until trial.
Carry on,
Fritz Pearl.
Luvya, Fritzi, just keep it coming! :roflmao:
Seriously, Layne, ya know the reason I am here is for "the truth" to be told, in as much as my little piece of it, and my compulsive-obsessive rummaging of historical aspects of it, can contribute towards its revelation. That truth is not just my truth, or your truth, or others' truth, but the whole mishmash shebang of it.
A lot of people have been seriously messed up and more or less permanently hurt by this binnis, and there is something seriously wrong with that reality. I don't doubt that there have been a lot of genuinely altruistic intentions on both sides of the fence on that issue; however, it appears that certain facts have been ignored or glossed over or simply made unavailable.
Having good intentions is, quite frankly, NOT good enough.
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URSUS AND LIBELIST,
What happened did you get some legal advice out there. I am a real Alinsky when it comes to this stuff. If we go back say a year how many times can we identify you making an allegation of abuse about a program. Have received a copy of any Court orders or other Court findings. How about Crawford or any of you. I beleive that if I got on the telephone and called all the progams you have libeled (admittedly some may have convictions), at least ten percent will want to give to the cause to shut you down. And like you I have alot of the same traits I have just learned to keep my mouth shut when it comes to slander and libel per se. This whole site is a treasure trove of libel per se. It is the hate tree in (was it shelly or Keats) that will finally bear the fruit that will put you under and hold you all individually liable. Maybe I am wrong but the phone calling starts tomorrow as far as fund raising and I will find a good Elberg that can understand the advantages of such an effort. The Jury will love all this filth and libel coming from Ursus and her brand new little peer group she has become so desperatel ay dependant on. Remember all you have to do is prove that the programs actually abused anyone. It cannot be a staff it has to be a administrative effort or policy that supported the act.
So now lets get some responses. Who abuse who. Only actionable statements please. Don't let the cat get your tongues! Let's here the allegations, I will be watching and calling the people you hate most for the geeda, comprende.
Fritz
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Here's an actionable comment for you:
Go fuck a horse.
Idiot.
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Ursus,
What happened to the intelligent groupie that had the dirty mouth that was libelous. Did you find a court docket about Layne yet. You do realize that he was awarded $35,000 for DCFS libeling him after Meacham took the entire state to Federal Court? Would you like a copy of the final order that forced the settlement. Also did you care to find Judge Brian's decision forcing the State to reopen Meacham's program? You cowards want justice but you are just a lynch mob striking out and painting everyone with the same false allegations. Where is your evidence against Meacham or anyone. This isn't just kids play. There is liability and if you have a complaint about someone breaking the law you should see that they are brought to justice. Defamation is a cowardly thing. You and Crawford and your ilk are always talking about the emotional suffering you underwent at Benchmark and Hyde and the other's in the 100 other programs (all potential investors) yet you don't consider the damages you inflict by defaming individuals who have worked in programs.
I think you had better expunge all the defamation from this site and on google and elsewhere or as sure as you are the Bear, I will come after you and use your worst enemies to fund the effort. If you think Crawford knows about community organizing you had better check out the record with some of the defamers Meacham has prevailed against. Whole groups of government lawyers (See Meacham v. Kreher 10th District)
Fritz Pearl
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Ursus,
Do you share the humour of so called Che. What a cowardly little magot. He is truly a wretched little soul. He will never be a man, only a small foul mouthed little school boy. Obviously we are getting closer all we have to do is trace down Che and see where he lives. He is so wounded and antisocial that he tries to call himself Che Grevara. Che would drop him where he stands and Fidel or any liberation army would not have this gutless little wonder tagging alone. Now Che lets keep talking, what defamation can you come up with. Which program abused you, you will be the star at the court, your listings over a long period of time will make Crawford and Elberg very confident. Now give us another little bit of crud from your cowardly little dirty mouth, make it more than one line, really show me what a little dirty mouthed boy can do besides hide behind a hero's name like Che.
Fritz
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Hey asshole, I live in China.
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Ursus,
For the record, has or is Hyde School committing child abuse?
Fritz
Short answer: Hyde School is a Cult.
Less short answer: Hyde School is a personality cult focused and patterned primarily on the persona and psychological makeup of Joseph W. Gauld, its primary founder.
Medium answer: Hyde School came into being during part of the heydey of the Human Potential movement, and incorporates much of the TC modalities developed by Lloyd McCorkle in the New Jersey prison system (i.e., "Guided Group Interactions," later known as "Positive Peer Culture") as well as group dynamics protocols developed by National Training Labs, a government think tank concerned with institutional psychology.
More specific answer: Hyde School has committed and covered up rapes, sexual assaults, and other forms of physical assault, abuse, predation, and hazing in the name of "character development" by placing blame smack dab on the victim, as opposed to the perpetrator (usu. faculty, staff, and/or chosen "student leadership").
Has Hyde committed "child abuse?" Fuck, yes.
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And you can go fuck a horse.
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Try to get some water in your system, even an old boozer like you needs H2O to rehydrate after a night on the piss.
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So....Fritz is a horsefucker and Ursus is a female bear....this thread is very informative. :feedtrolls:
Fritz is chess program, not a "horse fucker."
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It's always interesting to ask fornits posters straight up yes and no questions like...were you physically abused? or other simple questions, and get back pages of text, a long way of saying no. If a crime was committed, they would of called the cops, end of story.
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Fritz Pearl was a psychologist who believed screaming at people was good for them.
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Actually its Pearls with an s. I don't know who the old windbag is who is spewing off-track here but he seems to have quite the hard-on for Ursus which lends some credibility to the horse story. I'd like to see him go to court; the minute he opened his mouth the judge would 5150 him
But back to our main feature kiddies: THE LADY IN QUESTION SHOULD GET HERSELF A REALLY, REALLY GOOD ATTORNEY WHO SPEAKS SPANISH REALLY, REALLY WELL. END OF STORY! At least as far as mom taking advice.
None of us know all the details nor are most of us attorneys, although there are some anti-program attorneys who post here. But it does open up an interesting area for exploration and thought.
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to the woman who is trying to get her kid out go to this site and click on the contact us button and see if they can help in any way. A lot of parents have been given some very useful hints and tips
http://www.wwaspinfo.com/ (http://www.wwaspinfo.com/)
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Mom, you are not going to take any of these antisocial, narcissistic drug abusers advice are you. As far as sneaking across the border, Ursus has been borderline for most of her life. These other little Conduct disorders never made it in programs because they were to damn spoiled and their parents yanked them out and bought to new cars and in Toughlove parlance were rescuer rangers.
Sounds like you are a little bit of a rescuer rabbit. Do you have any evidence of criminal child abuse. Ursus would consider telling a kid to pick up their toys child abuse. You are having the proverbial blind lead the blind.
You are looking for rational direction from wounded emotionally disordered folks who can't even operate in society. Get the facts and get off of this site, it is pure poison.
FP
Before you get on here saying this, do a little research. Go to google and search Tranquility Bay, High Impact, and Morava Academy.... Now look why they were shut down. Each of these were abusive, Just like every other wwasp program.