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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 29, 2009, 07:41:35 AM
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Taken off of facebook:
Someone had the idea to flood DRA with postcards for Brendan. We want an absolute DELUGE of letters. kind of like what they do in China when they imprison religious leaders. as a form of peaceful protests, the people inundate the prison with so much mail that they cannot function. Here is the addy for DRA:
Brendan Spelman
c/o Diamond Ranch Academy
1500 East 2700 South
Hurricane, UT 84737
Postcards are cheap, even cheaper than a stamp on an envelope.
Just address it to Brendan Spelman and write a message of hope.
Let's do it!
also, please repost this group and the DRA address to your own wall. Then all YOUR friends can do the same thing!
I'll be sending 5 postcards off tomorrow, might even send a couple of empty packages as well. Knowing DRA they won't let him get anything not authorized by his parent's so it has the potential for amusement.
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I'll be sending 5 postcards off tomorrow, might even send a couple of empty packages as well. Knowing DRA they won't let him get anything not authorized by his parent's so it has the potential for amusement.
Isn't it a federal offense to interfere with the delivery of the US mail?
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Knowing the size and breadth of negative influence awaiting Brendan when he gets home he will have to be much more prepared and much stronger than the other students to withstand this pressure which could translate into a longer stay.
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Only one problem - length of stay has nothing to do with post-program success. John Reuben's son, Mike, graduated ASR and his dad set him up in a cushy job (made him an executive of a company at 20 years old with no training or education) - he had all the advantages. But now he's dead of an OD. But he graduated. And he still ODed.
Makes sense. No treatment for 6 or 8 months is the same amount of treatment as no treatment for 12 or 18 months.
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Only one problem - length of stay has nothing to do with post-program success. John Reuben's son, Mike, graduated ASR and his dad set him up in a cushy job (made him an executive of a company at 20 years old with no training or education) - he had all the advantages. But now he's dead of an OD. But he graduated. And he still ODed.
Makes sense. No treatment for 6 or 8 months is the same amount of treatment as no treatment for 12 or 18 months.
That's assuming Mike Reuben even wanted that job. He looked like he wanted to be a musician far more than being shoved into his father's business. Obviously he wasn't happy.
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sent 3 today.
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thanks for sending postcards. i know everything we're doing, from the reports to ken stettler, to the myspace/fb groups, to the letter writing campaign, all of these things are having an impact. ricky dias (owner's son) has contacted two survivors who have published their experiences and have reported them to authorities. he's been trying to sweet-talk them into changing their stories.
brendan's mom and grandmother went out to DRA for a tour and a seminar. they got to ride on a golf cart because of the grandmother's senior citizenry(!). they "happened" upon brendan who was outside at a table with a few other kids. he was able to see his mother and grandmother both inside a building and outside in an open area. we doubt that brendan will tell his mother the whole truth, but we do find it interesting that after less than four weeks b saw relatives. normally it's a minimum of ten weeks before that occurs. his mother has said she wants us to give her time to heal her family. apparently, she and b's dad have "homework" to do everyday and are held accountable by the therapists. b is also receiving therapy every day (so we are told) by the chief therapist (again, so we are told). this is not the norm as far as we can see. again, we think they are individualizing a bit because of our intense scrutiny.
please continue to send letters and cards with messages of support. eventually he will get his mail (so we are told). i just envision piles upon piles...
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:bump:
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Flag each of these videos as child abuse.
http://www.youtube.com/helpingfamilies (http://www.youtube.com/helpingfamilies)
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Flag each of these videos as child abuse.
http://www.youtube.com/helpingfamilies (http://www.youtube.com/helpingfamilies)
This why we need to redefine the word abuse here. I saw the tapes and would not define it as such. To me child abuse is a very diferent thing. So now when a kid comes on and says they were abused in a program we need to consider the definition change here on fornits and take it with a grain of salt. Maybe the kid was told to stay in their dorm room all day working on school work or told to do the dishes thereby enduring abuse or being forced to watch a video of stressed out parents!!
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This why we need to redefine the word abuse here. I saw the tapes and would not define it as such. To me child abuse is a very diferent thing. So now when a kid comes on and says they were abused in a program we need to consider the definition change here on fornits and take it with a grain of salt. Maybe the kid was told to stay in their dorm room all day working on school work or told to do the dishes thereby enduring abuse or being forced to watch a video of stressed out parents!!
So you know, I make a point of doing one enrollment-depleting action against a program (straight to the parents, letters to state legislators not used to receiving them, warning children, etc) for each of your posts. It keeps me from slacking off.
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This why we need to redefine the word abuse here. I saw the tapes and would not define it as such. To me child abuse is a very diferent thing. So now when a kid comes on and says they were abused in a program we need to consider the definition change here on fornits and take it with a grain of salt. Maybe the kid was told to stay in their dorm room all day working on school work or told to do the dishes thereby enduring abuse or being forced to watch a video of stressed out parents!!
So you know, I make a point of doing one enrollment-depleting action against a program (straight to the parents, letters to state legislators not used to receiving them, warning children, etc) for each of your posts. It keeps me from slacking off.
Bruce, Everyone should try to keep busy with activities which make them happy. It keeps people well adjusted. So keep at it, you have a lot of letters to write.
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I'll pick some up on saturday and send em.
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brendan's mom and grandmother went out to DRA for a tour and a seminar. they got to ride on a golf cart because of the grandmother's senior citizenry(!). they "happened" upon brendan who was outside at a table with a few other kids. he was able to see his mother and grandmother both inside a building and outside in an open area.
When we visited, we were able to walk the area and speak with kids at will. Some of the campuses are fairly nice and open spaced depending on the time of year you go.
we doubt that brendan will tell his mother the whole truth,
The school will work on these issues and Brendans tendencies towards lying will be addressed if this is an issue with him.
but we do find it interesting that after less than four weeks b saw relatives. normally it's a minimum of ten weeks before that occurs. his mother has said she wants us to give her time to heal her family.
Sometimes they allow older relatives to visit who can have a positive influence on them. But typically it is 10 weeks (like you said) or longer to see people outside the immediate family. Its always a good idea to keep the childs world as small as possible and not introduce too many outside influences early on.
apparently, she and b's dad have "homework" to do everyday and are held accountable by the therapists.
Thats great!! There are so many people who think that the problem lies only with the child but in many cases it is a family issue. Many families have to work just as hard as the child who is in the program to change and adjust.
b is also receiving therapy every day (so we are told) by the chief therapist (again, so we are told). this is not the norm as far as we can see. again, we think they are individualizing a bit because of our intense scrutiny.
The therapy depends on the individual child. Some kids only need to see a therapist once a week others daily.
please continue to send letters and cards with messages of support. eventually he will get his mail (so we are told). i just envision piles upon piles...
This is a great idea. There are many people who have never heard of diamond Ranch before and this action could bring it to the forefront. If it works out well and this gets enough media attention they may want to interview the family.
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dear guest,
clearly you know nothing about brendan. but you are kick-ass at cherry-picking.
gj
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Just in case people are too lazy to get to the postbo and/or buy stamps, you can make a postcard online and have it sent wherever you want for $1.50 a pop. Don't be cheap. Put it on your todo list and send one a day.
http://www.hazelmail.com/ (http://www.hazelmail.com/)
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Just in case people are too lazy to get to the postbo and/or buy stamps, you can make a postcard online and have it sent wherever you want for $1.50 a pop. Don't be cheap. Put it on your todo list and send one a day.
http://www.hazelmail.com/ (http://www.hazelmail.com/)
Also, using the above service you might want to send DRA a tiny reminder about mail tampering, courtesy of the USPS:
http://fornits.com/psy/mailTampering.jpg (http://fornits.com/psy/mailTampering.jpg)
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This is what I put in my $1.50 postcard.
"Hi Brendan,
You never met me.. but I post on this message board where people talk about how "they just" smoked marijuana and "hate the niggers". But anyways, I just wanted to let you know that I paid $1.50 to send you this scrap of paper in hopes you feel better or whatever. When you get out please don't try to track me down or contact me because I can't help you other than send you a $1.50 postcard. Aren't I just swell? "
You guys crack me up so much. Sending postcards to kids in programs? I don't know what I'd do without you guys.. so funny it hurts.
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A person who is a pro-program, cheer leading troll is both a drug user and a racist? No big surprise. And hateful and cruel even to total strangers? Again, no surprise.
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To Brendon:
No matter what they tell you, adolescence is not a disorder.
Sorry to hear you’re being “treated” this way. ’Wishing you an expeditious return home.
You are blessed to be warmly regarded by some very cool and persistent friends and family.
Here’s hoping your insurance runs out soon or your parents wake up or both,
~Don’t drink the kool-aid.
To Staff:
Please report any abuses you witness in this program to authorities.
If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Be vocal!
No pain no gain is the rationale of a sadist, not the creed of a care provider.
Best wishes on insights waking within you and of your redemption,
~Hey kool-aid!
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Brendan Spelman
c/o Diamond Ranch Academy
1500 East 2700 South
Hurricane, UT 84737
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This is what I put in my $1.50 postcard.
"Hi Brendan,
You never met me.. but I post on this message board where people talk about how "they just" smoked marijuana and "hate the niggers". But anyways, I just wanted to let you know that I paid $1.50 to send you this scrap of paper in hopes you feel better or whatever. When you get out please don't try to track me down or contact me because I can't help you other than send you a $1.50 postcard. Aren't I just swell? "
You guys crack me up so much. Sending postcards to kids in programs? I don't know what I'd do without you guys.. so funny it hurts.
If you actually did that... that was a fucked up and cruel thing to do.
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Staff: Look at viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28785&start=15 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28785&start=15) because fornits members are trying to help Brendan escape.
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Staff: Look at viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28785&start=15 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28785&start=15) because fornits members are trying to help Brendan escape.
I think you're drawing conclusions that aren't there. I haven't heard a single mention of escape until you. If anybody does anything illegal, though, they're responsible for their own actions, and not this site.
Go ahead and let the staff know that we're sending postcards, though. I'm sure they know already. I'm sure they'll love the mail tampering one when they get it.
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But I do agree. He's a detainee. He was pulled off the street by two men posing as cops, restrained, and more or less kidnapped. I don't know what else to call it. He had no trial, there was no due process, and he's being held against his will. Furthermore, he's currently being "re-educated". It strikes far more of gitmo than anything else.
Let me quote former Supreme Court Justice Thornton
These laws provide for the “safe keeping” of the child; they direct his “commitment,” and only a “ticket of leave,” of the uncontrolled discretion of a board of guardians, will permit the imprisoned boy to breathe the pure air of heaven outside his prison walls, and to feel the instincts of manhood by contact with the busy world. . . . The confinement may be from one to fifteen years, according to the age of the child. Executive clemency cannot open the prison doors, for no offense has been committed. The writ of habeas corpus, a writ for the security of liberty can afford no relief . . . Such a restraint upon natural liberty is tyranny and oppression. If, without crime, without the conviction of any offense, the children of the State are thus to be confined for the “good of society” then society had better be reduced to its original elements, and free government acknowledged a failure. . . .
The disability of minors does not make slaves or criminals of them. . . . Can we hold children responsible for crime; liable for their torts; impose onerous burdens upon them, and yet deprive them of their liberty, without charge or conviction of crime? [The Illinois Bill of Rights, following upon the Virginia Declaration of Rights and the Declaration of Independence, declares that] “all men are, by nature, free and independent, and have certain inherent and inalienable rights—among these life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” This language is not restrictive; it is broad arid comprehensive, and declares a grand truth, that “all men,” all people, everywhere, have the inherent and inalienable right to liberty Shall we say to the children of the State, you shall not enjoy this right—a right independent of all human laws and regulations. . . . .Even criminals cannot be convicted and imprisoned without due process of law.
I wonder what he would call what's going on today.
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If people did consider him a detainee then he is no longer one. He can come home anytime he wants. He has been told in no uncertain terms that if he breaks certain rules he will be sent home. So if he really truly wants to leave he can. Thats not being detained, he has a choice and control of his future.
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Then he needs to start doing that, now doesn't he? Especially if it involves permanently maiming you.
Confirmed: Latest troll is from DRA.
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Then he needs to start doing that, now doesn't he? Especially if it involves permanently maiming you.
Confirmed: Latest troll is from DRA.
See that, you advocate violence but you would be the first one to start crying a river if one of the kids got maimed. "Oh, programs are sooooo abusive, Wa,Wa,Wa," lol "I cant imagine why a person would be so violent towards another, wa,wa,wa". "These places need to be regulated more, wa,wa,wa," lol
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Staff:
Please read viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28785&start=15 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28785&start=15) . It would be a good idea to screen Brendan's mail. They encourage minors to run away from programs without anywhere to go.
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Staff:
Please read http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php? ... 5&start=15 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28785&start=15) . It would be a good idea to screen Brendan's mail. They encourage minors to run away from programs without anywhere to go.
We dont screen mail and since Brendan is still here it appears he wants to be here because running away would get him kicked out.
So Brendan has spoken and he says: "Life is good so far"!!! Thanks for the letters and post cards!!!
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Staff:
Please read viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28785&start=15 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28785&start=15) . It would be a good idea to screen Brendan's mail. They encourage minors to run away from programs without anywhere to go.
We dont screen mail and since Brendan is still here it appears he wants to be here because running away would get him kicked out.
So Brendan has spoken and he says: "Life is good so far"!!! Thanks for the letters and post cards!!!
Keep up the good work, Brandon's friends. Diamond Academy Ranch, the gulag that abducts, brainwashes, tortures, and murders is running scared.
Good thing. They appear to have recently murdered a boy, james Shirrey.
Are you guys aware of that?
Why don't you inform Ken of James's suspicious death?
http://www.legacy.com/SignOnSanDiego/Ob ... =122874456 (http://www.legacy.com/SignOnSanDiego/Obituaries.asp?page=lifestory&personid=122874456)
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Staff:
Please read http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php? ... 5&start=15 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28785&start=15) . It would be a good idea to screen Brendan's mail. They encourage minors to run away from programs without anywhere to go.
We dont screen mail and since Brendan is still here it appears he wants to be here because running away would get him kicked out.
So Brendan has spoken and he says: "Life is good so far"!!! Thanks for the letters and post cards!!!
Keep up the good work, Brandon's friends. Diamond Academy Ranch, the gulag that abducts, brainwashes, tortures, and murders is running scared.
Good thing. They appear to have recently murdered a boy, james Shirrey.
Are you guys aware of that?
Why don't you inform Ken of James's suspicious death?
http://www.legacy.com/SignOnSanDiego/Ob ... =122874456 (http://www.legacy.com/SignOnSanDiego/Obituaries.asp?page=lifestory&personid=122874456)
LOL, try to get it straight, you are tripping over your own shorts. His name was Jim Shirey, he didnt like being called James. He is well remembered here and spoken about often and truly missed. Try to have a little respect for the kids other than to use them. You have all made it clear that you dont care about Brendon other than to further your cause of hate and mis information. That is not what we are about or Brendon and he will tell you himself soon enough.
ps. -- I like the brainwash, torure and murder effect. Your desperation is showing and you are barely treading water. You have a lot to learn my friend.
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Staff:
Please read viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28785&start=15 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28785&start=15) . It would be a good idea to screen Brendan's mail. They encourage minors to run away from programs without anywhere to go.
We dont screen mail and since Brendan is still here it appears he wants to be here because running away would get him kicked out.
So Brendan has spoken and he says: "Life is good so far"!!! Thanks for the letters and post cards!!!
Keep up the good work, Brandon's friends. Diamond Academy Ranch, the gulag that abducts, brainwashes, tortures, and murders is running scared.
Good thing. They appear to have recently murdered a boy, james Shirrey.
Are you guys aware of that?
Why don't you inform Ken of James's suspicious death?
http://www.legacy.com/SignOnSanDiego/Ob ... =122874456 (http://www.legacy.com/SignOnSanDiego/Obituaries.asp?page=lifestory&personid=122874456)
LOL, try to get it straight, you are tripping over your own shorts. His name was Jim Shirey, he didnt like being called James. He is well remembered here and spoken about often and truly missed. Try to have a little respect for the kids other than to use them. You have all made it clear that you dont care about Brendon other than to further your cause of hate and mis information. That is not what we are about or Brendon and he will tell you himself soon enough.
ps. -- I like the brainwash, torure and murder effect. Your desperation is showing and you are barely treading water. You have a lot to learn my friend.
Care to elaborate about how he died?
According to you he perished "quickly" after coming down with an illness.
http://www.heal-online.org/diamond.htm (http://www.heal-online.org/diamond.htm)
But survivor accounts describe abuse, torture, even, of the sort that would induce serious, serious illness, and an environnment with a lack of appropriate response to illness.
Untimely death: one of the inevitable side-effects of holding people prisoner, incommunicado, and seriously abusing them. Your prisoners don't get to make the decision about when to call that ambulance, or go to the doctor. You do. Eventually, you push it too far, leave things too long. Poor James.
As for "using" human beings, well, you’re the expert on that. I'm sure you "memorialize" him as much as John and willa Bundy memorialize Roberto. You're a kid killer. Youre on a forum for people who understand monsters like yourself. You're a former WWASP employee, like the Bundys, yes?
Teen Lifeskills Center/Thayer Learning Center/TLC Boot Camp
Teen Lifeskills Center is located in Kidder, Missouri.
The facility operated for years at Thayer Learning Center and TLC Boot Camp.
In November 2004, 15 year-old Roberto Reyes died at the facility after showing signs of severe illness for several days.
State investigators determined that Roberto likely would have recovered from the illness, had he received medical attention.
His death is being blamed on a spider bite.
Roberto's parents sued Thayer Learning Center and for wrongful death.
In March 2006, the case was settled out of court when Thayer agreed to pay just over $1 million in damages.
John Bundy is thought to be a former employee of Teen Help/WWASPS (World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools).
Willa Bundy is the former owner/director of Linden House, a WWASPS-affiliated boarding school specifically for pregnant teens that is no longer operating.
Complete information, including legal documents and news articles, is available on our Thayer Learning Center Page.
Click here for more information about WWASPS.
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I knew I needed medical attention since I was having a severe panic attack.
Anyway they looked at me like I'm just trying to help and I said i'm sorry I just don't want medication.
Well the man yelled at me and threatened to restrain me and put me on my bed,so he threatened to touch me and force me on my bed and go to bed.
He told me I was a "waste of their time and also faking this whole thing and stop playing games."Well I wasn't it was a panic attack and Dra doesn't care if your out of breath or shaking he also told me not to have another panic attack again.
It was a haunting expirience I was scared and forced to lay on my bed,but I was still shaking.
(This was 1 of my 3 panic attacks at dra also keep in mind I hadn't had one for 3 years)
So they resisted to give me medical attention
.This is what they did, and theres even been a death in January 2009, because they denied to give a student medical attention all happening in 2009. Its not a good place to send kids for that reason.
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Here is another one.
GILMER COUNTY, Ga. -- Channel 2 Action News has confirmed that a 7-year-old boy from Ellijay has died of H1N1 or swine flu.
The Georgia Department of Health said the boy had an underlying medical condition."
This student had not been at a Gilmer County school since last year when school ended on May 22," said Randy Parson, superintendent of the Gilmer County school system.
WSB-TV Channel 2 checked the state health department's Web site, and four people have died of swine flu in Georgia this year.
Kids dropping like flies everywhere.
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This school is really abusive:
BEIJING - Eleven girls died of carbon monoxide poisoning at a school in northern China's Shaanxi province, an education official said Tuesday evening. A news report said the girls had lit a fire to keep warm.
A dozen girls were found poisoned Tuesday morning at the Duiziliang Middle School in Yulin city, said an official with the Yulin Education Bureau, who gave her family name as Fan.
She said 11 girls were confirmed dead, with another being treated at a hospital.
They are still open dispite the deaths and alleged abuse.
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Here is another one.
GILMER COUNTY, Ga. -- Channel 2 Action News has confirmed that a 7-year-old boy from Ellijay has died of H1N1 or swine flu.
The Georgia Department of Health said the boy had an underlying medical condition."
This student had not been at a Gilmer County school since last year when school ended on May 22," said Randy Parson, superintendent of the Gilmer County school system.
WSB-TV Channel 2 checked the state health department's Web site, and four people have died of swine flu in Georgia this year.
Kids dropping like flies everywhere.
I didn't read where he was kidnapped and held incommunicado.
If he was a young man, imprisoned incommunicado at his time of death in an institution(let alone an abusive one), his captors his sole avenue to the outside world, then we'd have an analogous situation.
Was James dead before you called in authorities or just near dead, murderer?
Are you implying James Shirey had a contagious disease like swine flu? Then you evacuated your other detainees, right, kid killer?
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"WELL KIDS DIE IN OTHER PLACES SO THAT MAKES IT OKAY"
...that's seriously what you're going to troll with?
Only on Fornits, folks. Only these sick fucks.
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diamond ranch academy--repeated epa violations!
Ref: SENF-W, United States Environmental Protection Agency, Region 8, Docket. No. SDWA-08-2007-0047
"The above referenced public drinking water system (at Diamond Ranch Academy) has violated certain provisions of the Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA), 42 U.S.C. Subsection 300f, et seq., and the National Primary Drinking Water Regulations at 40 C.F.R. part 141. The violations consist of failure to monitor for chlorine residual, nitrate, lead/copper, and total coliform, failure to provide public notice, and failure to notify the state of violations. Our records, obtained from the Utah Department of Environmental Quality, indicate the violations noted below.
Date of Violation Violation
2006 Failure to monitor maximum residual disinfectant levels (MRDL
2005 (monitor monthly, report quarterly, compliance based on annual averages)
2004 ( )
2006 Failure to monitor for nitrate
2006 Failure to monitor for lead/copper
2004 ( )
April 2006 Failure to monitor for total coliform bacteria
Sept. 2005 ( )
Nov. 2003 ( )
August 2005 Failure to take 5 additional routine total coliform samples
Feb. & Nov. 2004 after a total coliform positive sample the preceding month.
Oct. 2003 ( )
Oct. 2004 Maximum contaminant level exceedance for total coliform bacteria
2003-2005 Failure to provide public notice of violations
2003-2006 Failure to report violations to the State
ONGOING!!!
Hello, my name is ---- and I am now 19 years old. It is very hard for me to write this email but I find it to be more than an obligation. I discovered your site today and immediately had to contact you. I experienced and was witness to physical, emotional, and psychological abuse at Diamond Ranch Academy from late July 2001 to late June 2002. I speak not only for myself. 20-60 other kids at any given time went through some of the same sickening and humiliating torture around me every day. Years have passed, but a lot of the pain has not. In fact, I still keep contact with about five people I went to "DRA" with, and we all feel the same way. Some still have nightmares to this day related to this program. I myself was court ordered to the program, and was driven there by my parents... but there has always been something very strange to me about considering the idea of having a child woken up and literally kidnapped by strange men in the middle of the night to face a year of incarceration "therapeutic".) It is a very dangerous game these people are playing, indeed, and I speak from experience..
The first two weeks I stayed at Diamond Ranch was the sickest display of abuse of powers I have ever witnessed. I quickly made it out of their gruesome hell of a 'first level' they called 'wilderness' at the time out of sheer fear and terror. Our sleeping, eating, and working conditions were absolutely filthy and barbaric. We were barked orders from four in the morning until very late into the day, then, when we finally were allowed sleep, we were woken up repeatedly during the night to do 'calisthenics.' Our days were entirely filled with busy work that mainly included making the facility look better for interested parents touring the ranch. We were not allowed to talk to one another whatsoever. If we were caught doing so, it resulted in group calisthenics for hours on end. We were not allowed cold water, only warm water out of dirty canteens provided by the staff. The staff always seemed ready to remind us they were only 'legally obligated' to provide us with two meals a day. Meals consisted of white rice and/or lentil beans for dinner and (sometimes) lunch. Breakfast was horse oats. and we were occasionally allowed rotten fruit. Spices and seasonings were only allowed twice during these two weeks because we were told we didn't deserve them. We prepared these meals ourselves over a burner. We had to use dirty sticks found on the ground as utensils. If one of us vomited, they were forced to eat another bowl or the result was more group punishment. We were only allowed to bathe and change clothes every two days (if that, during early morning and in freezing cold outdoor 'showers' of course.) We often reminded of our place in the program, being told we were worth less than dirt, etc. The staff would mockingly eat healthy, delicious looking meals from the 'inside' facility and candy bars in our faces to taunt us. When traveling from site to site, we were forced to march and sing marching related cadences at the same time. These were traditional ARMY cadence songs with lyrics adapted to praise and honor the program. If one was caught not singing.. or caught crying from pain, exhaustion, or hunger; more physical and verbal group punishment. Once, the owner's son Robbie Dias, was our staff, just for the day. He set me aside from the group and physically punished me personally by making me do push ups with my hands in sharp rocks until my arms collapsed and then decided it would be a good idea to start screaming in my face; "What's the matter with you ____?! You can't do a push up, you can't do anything! What are we gonna' do with you boy?!" etc. I later discovered what he did there, among other things, was against the law. Another night that stands out, was a night when an abusive, and in my personal opinion mentally unstable wilderness staff member named Brad decided to make us do 'cals' (calisthenics, which was really just more jargon they use to cover themselves) until every last one of us was breaking down crying. That in itself wasn't out of the ordinary, but this round, every time one of the poor students in our group who suffered from turrets syndrome uncontrollably uttered an obscenity, Brad would make us keep going until we were literally screaming in pain, our muscles locking up. Kids were getting sick, passing out, falling over crying and begging for mercy. Later in my program I heard him utter things to other staff members that personally made me believe Brad enjoyed making kids suffer. I also remember activities such as lying on the desert floor holding large boulders above my head in the blazing hot Utah sun until I felt like I could barely take it anymore. The individual shocking instances of abuse of power I was exposed to during those two weeks were endless. Luckily, my stay was short. Some people were in this phase up to six months. Half way through my stay at DRA, 'wilderness' was shut down due to illegal activity and changed to 'unemployment,' a much tamer and regulation-friendly version of what I had gone through. Needless to say no kind of contact to anyone outside of the facility was allowed during this period.
The rest of my stay at Diamond Ranch Academy was better but we were all still very manipulated and controlled. For example, after a few months I was able to mail my parents, but mail was closely monitored and read, and they ultimately decided if it was sent or not. If you did anything to expose the ranch for what it really was, you were instantly punished and knocked back down on the level system, promising you an even longer and harder stay at the program. Same with phone calls. They were always monitored and you would be instantly cut off if you said anything that could be deemed as 'manipulative.' Rob Dias, his business associates, and his minions are the real manipulators of Diamond Ranch Academy. You were always part of the scheme; If you sold the place, you went home. If you fought them, the harder they'd make it for you. They play a sick game of power with you up until the moment you sign your release paper. You were seen as profit more than a patient in the eyes of Rob Dias, the owner, who used scare tactics in order to gain respect from students, and his sons and staff are well known for physically abusing kids in ways that go WELL beyond what they would classify as "necessary restraint." What I saw there was not necessary restraint. It was bullying, physical abuse, and torture. The difference between that place on a regular day and a day when an interested parent thinking about sending their kid to Diamond Ranch or a health inspector came to look around was as different as night and day. Bottom line: We were treated as objects and sales tools. It was a living nightmare.
We were always hungry, scared, and filthy. We were always living and cooking in horrible conditions. Always being used as an ad campaign for interested parents. Always being hurt by staff or the conditions of our work situations. I don't know how many times I had to go the hospital for being cut with sharp objects while working in the junk yard. I can only hope someone out there thinking about sending their kid to a program reads this, and does a little more research on these places.
*** UPDATE JULY 29, 2009: ***
I wrote the above testimony four years ago and have noticed it's increasing popularity over time. I would like to add some thoughts and memories I had forgotten to share, as well as some updates. One thing I would like to note first about my stay at the ranch; I was considered a top student. I was never a problem. I never ran away, barely received any citations, was never personally physically restrained (just witnessed,) I advanced all of my levels on schedule and was never demoted. No one's program is completely flawless, but my run is as close as it gets. I held every job possible there and was constantly used an example for other students to follow. I 'mentored' countless 'new intakes.' In fact my last four months spent in the program mainly included working the cushier job, such as head or assistant program cook, assistant staffing, and selling the program to interested parents touring the ranch almost every day. I was most definitely their 'go to' sales boy. I would sit there with desperate parents, convincing them this was their last option.. lying through my teeth time and time again about how great the program was and how it saved my life.. secretly biding my time, waiting for freedom. That is a big part of my motivation for writing this statement; to hopefully right some of those wrongs. Through my false endorsement of the program during my tenor there I was surely responsible for countless new kids being sent to DRA circa 2002. The guilt lives on with me, but that is how these programs are designed, and I did what I felt I had to do to advance and eventually be released.
Here are some things I forgot to originally include in my statement, as well as truths I have read in others' statements I would like to confirm:
* The word is spreading: Thanks to popular social networking websites I am now in contact with many more former students. The numbers are growing and it will be become harder for us to be ignored. The ratio of students who feel unsatisfied or damaged from their time spent in the program is overwhelming.
* Cult like tactics used by DRA: The use of heavy jargon. The use of jargon to manipulate the true meaning of a word, masking their intentions. Cult like seminars which include using music as a trance. Forcing bogus therapeutic solutions to students while attempting to sell these values to said students' parents. Namely Taylor Hartman's 'Color Code' --- which holds no actual psychological, therapeutic, medical, or scientific ground. It should be noted Mr. Hartman happens to be a close personal friend of Mr. Rob Dias.
* Unnecessary length of program/ Playing on the desperation & naivety of parents: I can speak for myself and I'm sure many more can relate; I strongly feel I did not make any personal growth in my last four months of the program, if not longer. I was simply kept there to assist with staffing. Like most students, the program had a firm grip on my my parents' desperation. It is Rob's business to squeeze every nickel possible out of a naive family by the time he's done with them. This is how he finances his numerous luxury homes, vehicles, boats, big screen televisions, the list goes on and on. (Note: I have stayed at his house, and became well acquainted with his entire family. Interestingly enough, in most witness opinions, his children are far, FAR more troubled than the actual students of Diamond Ranch Academy. Which brings me to my next point..)
* Rob Dias' own abusive & deeply troubled children who happen to staff the facility: Rob's sons, Robbie and Ricky, are allowed to come on to the facility and staff the children whenever they so please. They are well known for their abusiveness in the facility. I have experienced it first hand. These guys are without a doubt mentally unstable bullies with severe issues.
* DRA website false reports on students/ Tricking kids into smiling for photos: The DRA website actually started while I was in the program. It was referred to as 'the dailies.' Of course, students were never allowed internet access at any point, but a group of us more tech savy kids made our way online occasionally and discovered the dailies were roughly 90% a hoax. That's all I can really say about it. If your kid is attending DRA, most of the updates you're reading could be fabricated. Another tactic they liked to use was tricking us into smiling for photographs to be put online; for example, a staff telling an innapropriate joke that was out of their character, and proceeding to quickly whip out a camera to snap a quick photo.
* DRA's more recent front to appear as a boarding school/ incorporating 'normal' high school atmosphere & activities: It was beginning as I left the program and over years I have noticed DRA attempting to crossover into a respectable, boarding school type facility. An obvious attempt to regulate all the negative press they have been receiving from former students since the rise of the internet. Regardless of their current exterior and any changes that have been made to the program over time, it should not be forgotten that Diamond Ranch Academy was founded on child abuse and blood money.
* The student dorm buildings were originally ostrich pens: Not everyone is aware, but like so much of the makeshift architecture at the ranch, the dorms were originally built to serve a completely different function. It was my generation that got to breathe in heavy amounts of dust and rat feces into our lungs for months on end while preparing these dorms for future students to enjoy. Just one of many unhealthy tasks we were forced to slave over. Imagine all the money the program receives from tuition, AND not having to ever pay for labor!
Fellow former students, please speak up with your experiences. Do what you can to help bring down the 'troubled youth' industry. Everything in my statement is true. I give HEAL permission to use my statement in any way they please.'
I, ____Anonymous (verified)_____________, declare and state as follows:
1. Diamond Ranch Academy
2. Hurricane, Utah
3. 11/17/2007-9/26/2008
4. They're coming back. All my bad memories are coming back. November 17th, 2007 5am. Confusion. Where were these strangers taking me? Looked to my parents for answers. But they're faces had none. All I saw was sadness from my mom and blankness from my dad. I remember getting in their care. Seeing my parents for the last time for 5 months. I remember both of their faces. At the airport confusion was still my main emotion. Where was I going? The only bit of information I knew was that I was going to "school". The plane ride was full of questions that the 2 transporters would not answer. They covered it up with food and drink offerings. I was neither hungry nor thirsty. We landed in Las Vegas. I was tired so I slept on the car ride to my destination. I remember waking up on a highway. Desert all over. I wasn't in Las Vegas. I was in Hurricane, Utah. Middle of nowhere. In the distance I could see assorted metal buildings. Not to compare my experiences with Nazi concentration camps but you will see many similarities throughout this passage. I felt as if I arrived at Berkanau. They tried to make the place look decent. It did from one view, and then you turn your head and its desert or weathered trees. I arrive at what was called the "blue house". Looked exactly as it sounded. I entered a small room and was sat down. "What's your name?" Asked a muscular assistant program director. "CJ Clark" I said. "Your real name" he asked getting tempered already. "Christian" I said. I was stripped of all my possessions except for my shoes and coat. I was told to remove my clothes. My clothes were then searched and I was made to turn around many times, naked, to make sure I had nothing on me. They provided with me a bright orange hoodie and sweat pants. You'd think that the desert is hot all year round. Not in winter. I was told I was to be sent to the first component of the program called "homeless". I was literally homeless. Outside all the time. Breakfast was oats. Not those brown sugary oats you would usually eat for breakfast. It was oats, water, and powdered milk. That's it. That was breakfast every day. Lunch and Dinner were always the same. Either undercooked or burnt rice and a bean called a lentil. That's it. 16 days of freezing winds outside every day. Also the homeless component contained the most rigorous physical training throughout the program. First day I arrived I was to run a mile straight. No walking at all. You walk you'll run longer. I hadn't run more than a few meters in years. First 1/2 a lap I was dying. My chest was burning. Very little oxygen was going into my brain. My other companions in the component attempted to pep talk me to keep going. They were scolded and made to run more. There was no talking between anyone in this component. I staggered my way another 2 laps before just giving up. In this level of the program you had to pass 14 successful days. I failed my first day for this incident. The rest of this level was filled with 2 work projects a day. Out there in the freezing cold literally digging tracks for a new parking lot. I was a slave laborer. There was nothing I could do. The best part of my day was sleeping. The only rest I got. I looked forward to it every day. I completed my 14th successful on my 16th day. I had to make a fire out of a bow and some wood. I was then upgraded a level. I was now a student. I got to eat regular food. Not allot but it was somewhat normal. I got to go to school. It felt pretty good. Now think of this. Your life seems fucking amazing because you get to eat peanut butter and jelly instead of burnt rice. Your life is 10 times better because you now get to attend school. Regular school. While in the "inside" you were able to talk to other program students during very short time slots. During those all we talked about how we look forward to life on the outside. To see civilization again. Have a small piece of chocolate. Having the privilege to speak with your own family when you want. All these things were distant memories for us. When we weren't being terrorized by the simple fact of little contact with your family the staff had fun with your emotions. When you broke a rule you received a citation. Each cite is worth a certain amount of points which at the end of the week would add up and determine if we got put on what's called "unemployment". This was another component after school for kids that broke too many rules. You were to pull around a large cart everywhere you went. You did physical training just like you did in the first level. You were to sit silent in a room and work for hours on end. Back to playing with emotions. Staff had the power to cite anyone at anytime. So they played with you. Even if it was during a time where you were allowed to talk they would take that away. If you talked you were cited. Cites equaled a more miserable life. Even if you didn't break the rule they would cite you just to see you break down. They'll say this never happened but ask any kid that's been there. It happens all the time. And then there were the restraints. If you were out of line a staff could take you down and bend your wrist behind your back and apply pressure to "calm you down". If you have never been in a bent wrist control hold basically it sucks. But then there were the kids that couldn't help their actions. Mentally retarded kids aged 12, 13, and 14. I recount a student that was autistic. Very nice and caring kid. 13 years old. But couldn't control his anger and energy. He has his outbursts and he was cranked just like anyone else. Except he got it way more than regular kids. He had a handicap. HE COULDN'T HELP IT. And yet he was still made to run and taken down when he thought he was not doing anything bad. Think about this. Think of a brother, cousin, friend that has a mental handicap. Put him in a situation with nothing to look forward to. Always being run and restrained. Little contact with his family. I can't imagine. I've witnessed kids being emotionally terrorized by staff. I remember and instance where everyone was to partake in what was called an amnesty. We were to write down everything we'd done wrong or witnessed someone else do something wrong. Every director was there. These people had control of your life. We were given strict instructions not to look up from our paper. There was a 13 years old kid that got to see his parents for the first time in 5 months later that day. He looked to the left for 2 seconds. He was yelled at. The program director said that his visit was cancelled. He would not be able to see his parents for another long while. He straight up cried in front of everyone. Nobody came to comfort him. He was alone. We were all alone. Take a look at their website: http://www.diamondranchacademy.com (http://www.diamondranchacademy.com)
90 percent of what is on that site is a lie. Ask me anything about it. It's most likely a manipulative try to get the parents' money. Everyone all I can say is do your best. Don't get sent away. Don't go through what I did. You can prevent it.
I give HEAL permission to use this statement. I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct. Executed on __May 5th_________________, 2009.
DECLARATION UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY
PURSUANT TO 28 USCA 1746
I, [private] declare and state as follows:
1. Diamond Ranch Academy
2. Hurricane, Utah
3. March 19, 2007 – December 19, 2007
4. I too have had an awful experience in my nine month stay at Diamond Ranch Academy, located in Hurricane Utah. This is a very difficult subject and a very negative time in my life and is hard to talk about. I will fill you in on the details as much as I can remember.
My family told me that I would be going to look at a boarding school and decide if I wanted to stay.
I have always lived in British Columbia, Canada and I had no idea what a "program" was.
I arrived for my tour at D.R.A on March 19, 2007. While getting my tour of the ranch, I decided that I didn't like it. I guess my family had already signed the papers and the staff were telling me I had no choice. It was so heartbreaking to hear that you can't leave with your parents. I couldn't believe these people were telling me that I couldn't leave. They held me while I watched my family drive down the 2 mile dirt road. This was just the beginning. They took me to the "blue house" and proceeded to yank out my nose ring, my earrings. They took away all my belongings and told me to strip down. This was so violating. Being a virgin, I have never let anyone see me naked. I felt so violated during the strip search. I remember just standing there crying my eyes out and the staff just standing there... they didn't care.They told me that if I behaved properly that everything would be okay. I was so scared, that I could barely function. I couldn't believe what was happening. I was then taken over to the boys campus where the nurse's station was located. They told me that in order to stay that I would need to give a blood sample. When I was younger I had a bad experience with a needle when I was in the hospital, so i was terrified. I told them that i didn't feel comfortable giving them my blood. The nurse (a 250 pound man) told me that: "We could do this the easy way, or the hard way".
Still refusing he called in another woman and another male staff to have me restrained. In which I was sat on, held down and unwillingly had my blood drawn.
This was so traumatizing. In the first level called "homeless" we weren't allowed any rights. We had to raise our hand for everything. I got in trouble a couple of times because I put on lip chap without asking. We had to sit cross legged for hours on the cement working on silly projects. We were given oats (water and oatmeal) and fruit for breakfast. For lunch we had rice and lentils and dinner was rice and lentils. We were given a 4L Milk jug that was filled up with tap water daily that we were forced to drink, yet we could only go to the outhouse a few times a day when they felt like taking us. I know of 4 girls that had urinated themselves because a staff member wouldn't allow them to use the washroom. If you didn't do what you were told you had to do "energy release". This is where Ricky Dias could make you run up and down a field for 3 hours in the scorching hot sun with no water. I remember Ricky Dias yelling at a girl for not getting out of the shower on time the night before. He told this girl that if it happened again tonight he would: "Rip her out of the shower by her hair naked."
You weren't allowed to talk to your parents for the first couple of weeks. You were completely isolated and unable to talk to anyone. The homeless staff would humiliate you in front of others and made me feel worthless. I felt like a horrible person and I began to believe what they told me.
I 100 percent believe that Diamond Ranch Academy is a brainwashing scam.
Thankfully I was only in that Homeless level for 20 days. Things get a little bit better once you are no longer in the "homeless component''. Once inside you could write a 1 post card to your parents Monday-Friday. You were given a 30 minute phone call every 2 weeks with your parents. You couldn't talk to your friends or other family. If you told them anything negative in either the phone call or postcard you were in huge trouble. Usually resulting in being dropped a level which made you stay for another 2 weeks. It was considered "manipulation" to tell your parents that you want to go home. I couldn't even tell my mom that I missed her.
To make a miserable long story short;
I faked the entire program to get out earlier. I sucked up to every single staff and made sure that they loved me. I was also encouraged to "tell" on other girls when they were doing something they shouldn't. This looked really good if you told on other girls.
I graduated after 9 long months and went home in December 2007. I did okay for about a week after being home and then relapsed.
I don't even have words to express how much anger and hatred I have towards all the staff of DRA and the program. For the past 2 years now I have at least 1 nightmare a week about being at DRA. I have developed such harsh anxiety and have even been medicated because of it. I would have a panic attack if I thought about DRA or after a nightmare. It is very difficult to live with. I HIGHLY discourage anyone from sending their kids to a program. They may look like they have changed, but it is out of fear.
I give HEAL permission to use this statement. I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct. Executed on May 13, 2009
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DECLARATION UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY
PURSUANT TO 28 USCA 1746
I, _____ Aaron Lieberman_____________, declare and state as follows:
1. [NAME OF PROGRAM]..Diamond Ranch Academy
2. [LOCATION OF PROGRAM] Hurricane Utah
3. [PERIOD OF INTERNMENT MM/YY TO MM/YY] 6/23/06-12-23-07
4. [DECLARATIVE STATEMENT] Yes
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There I am torn from reality into a pseudo-society which my dog gets better treatment then these people. I have eaten out of a bright metal bowl on the ground while Utah thunderstorms shed ounces of water into my 16 oz of barely thawed out rice. Slowly and slowly I started to realize how much I had changed from a hard drug addict to a Brainwashed cult member. Being locked in a 450 square foot white cinderblock room hopeless while I am seriously wishing I was in jail where I can be myself. Everywhere I went they went single file without a word being spoken. Many nights I remember crawling in my bed with drops of urine on my sheets from a top bunk that had a teenager with a bladder issue. I found myself at times in a shower that had feces in it from a teen in my family of 10 who did not belong at a tough love facility... Adding to the issue there where a lack of nursing for anything. All types and sorts where sent to this tough love camp, anywhere between children dealing with family lose to gang members Aged 12-17 ½. I didn’t see my parents for 7 months at a time. That was against the law so they had to make an exception.
Therapy was meaningless and most of the time was overlooked here you can see myself with my therapist. The kid who did all that on my mattress is in the green.(http://www.diamondranchacademy.com/ther ... rogram.php (http://www.diamondranchacademy.com/therapy/therapeutic-program.php))They legally have to take you out once a week to speak with you and once every two weeks you can call your parents. In this picture my therapist decided to double up sessions to accommodate the increase in people. When this happened the normal 8 beds per dorm maximum turned into 8 people in bunks and six on the floor. Not to get into more detail about malpractice I can recall a therapist being fired for an “issue”
with a girl. No one said anything and the girl got pulled from the program. Obviously something happened. A lot of this went on daily the thing is in the middle of nowhere next to a polygamist colony no one really cares.
They had a system of cites which was a alternative of punishment. I ended up with over 365 or pieces of paper each paper for a different thing I did wrong one week. That’s how much I stopped caring and ended up being sent to homeless for a good 7 months of my program. This was there hardest form of punishment which had happened to be the first part of the program. I had a lot of exercise a lot of rice a lot of punishment. When they are bored at 3 am and want to torment someone you get sent out at 3 am in the morning. In the middle of winter for things as little as sharing food you would receive this. I lost over 10 pounds of muscle all my body fat and due to the fact I was always sitting Indian style I have herniated l4 and l5 discs. I was involved in and everything that functioned there and pretty much helped out at every job. I knew how they worked and it pissed them off that I knew that they lied to my parents that I was losing weight naturally. Go ahead and put fat camps out of work if you must but this is more like a concentration camp. I would try and write home or tell my parents how I felt on the phone but the more I let out the truth the more they hung up or tore up my postcards. Check this out though this is the most important factor of the program. If you write your parents your being abused they rip it up.
I have seen a male physically restrain a girl while she screamed for him to get off her and started crying from the amount of force he applied to the restraint. WHERE WAS THE FEMALE STAFF HMM? Sounds FOXY to me.
I have seen friends restrained in urine while urinating due to lack of bathroom and being forced to drink a gallon of water daily. Obviously they told you when you can speak, eat, sleep, turn you head to look, use the bathroom. The worst part out of everything was the rice and lentils. I would go days without any nutrients. There is mold all over the ceilings above the kitchen. When you stole staff food you would be forced to eat food with nothing but rice soaked in pickle juice and sauerkraut. They even went as far to soak oatmeal in hot pickle juice. It was so acidic kids where throwing up and I would get a bowl down and try to not throw up. Yet the thing is they made rules like if one person stole food in homeless they would make everyone suffer. That’s called blanket punishment so I gave up and stopped eating sauerkraut. After being threatened to be restrained for 30 minutes and have a fat feeding needle stuck in my arm I had a bowl of sauerkraut a day to keep the needle away. The third week there I received serious food poisoning from rice that had hand sanitizer snuck into it by a deranged kitchen staff. He was making food unsupervised at snuck behind the camera. So the cooks leave at night and leave the cooking up to the kids. Most of the teens did the work due to that fact. You can find proof that they let 13 year olds handle and manage large amounts of food without any certifications or permits after they fed “fresh” food to goats. Hands and dishes never washed. Out of everything that pissed me off I find that the place ends up taking in the teens and baptizing them into a LDS and this is with the family that owns the place. There is no limit to what the family would do. One time I tried to tell a parent and her son not to come here and was lectured on how I should express those feelings to her directly. So if reading this and trying to figure out this place get in touch with any kid and ask did you enjoy it.
As far as dorms go nasty beds that have been used from 2002 have holes dust mites and 90% have urine and other fluids on them. Mold in the pipes no hot water at night unless its summer. 5 minute showers without soap sometimes. Other malpractices include hiding bedding when state inspection comes. I have spoken with state inspection but they seem to give three craps in the wind what I had to say.
There have seen combinations of cocktails given to recovering minds such as high doses of three different psychotropic mood controllers and high doses of amphetamine based medication while taking a benzodiazepine. . In the morning we would be forced to take medication and eat food which had no nutritional value. Lucky me I had been given only one anti depressant. There was this big book that had all our names in it that we would sign with our name next to the medication we took. Sometimes I would catch of others pages. It seemed to me they loved giving out lithium for about everything.
Early one day I witnessed a child have the most intense panic attack I ever have seen. The kid told us he had been raped beaten and abused his whole life the staff knew this and yet he had to pull a cart by himself while we watched when he snapped they had four staff one per limb towards breaking point. Not the kind of treatment someone with that emotional baggage deserves. With knees on the back of his neck, and being PINCHED on every pressure point the fifteen year old had. This also was the most distraught I have ever seen someone yet he still managed to barely breathe. I have over 30 different voices screaming out that echo in my mind from this treatment. I can recall my first day in the beginning stage where I was sent face down into lava rocks by the programs owner son, yet there was grass next to the lava. I thought to myself later on in the program what I had gotten my first day beats getting your arm broken like a thirteen year old 90 pound sixth grader did for not obeying program structure. Who did this didn’t believe the 13 year old child and forced him do psychical exercise with a broken arm. Then when the kid started crying, he was forced to do something else other and then forced to keep running.
Who may ever send your child here this place is filled with deception (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.c ... D=17232469 (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=381747488&albumID=1143602&imageID=17232469)) The kids are told to smile and that’s are places/websites you can look up there so many cover ups and the staffs past which include but not limited to resisting arrest dealing and hard drug usage. The family uses this place as a front for stealing at the damage to many young struggling individuals. My family is in debt over 100,000. The things I’ve come forward about will help close doors that have been open too long and I will not rest tell this is my gone to an end. There will be more of these letters as I am very connected with lifelong friends who suffered here. There will be others including staff willing to aid in this effort. I added personal links of pictures due to my creditability based on the facts I have. It is great to read a letter of one of my homeless students (homeless is the beginning) I had mentored at the end of my program. I am grateful for a website such as this and will do all in my power to make the best description. Please understand this is an account of over a year and a half of my life.
http://www.diamondranchacademy.com/prog ... onials.php (http://www.diamondranchacademy.com/program/testimonials.php) They believe that there 49 percent of my custody during 6/21/06-12/21/07 “ENTITLES” them to any picture taken or letters written of or by me. I am still on DRA’s website .I called the family to take me off from a unblocked number giving my name. Yet they still have my name and a few pictures. DIAMOND RANCH ACADEMY TWO WRONGS DON’T MAKE A RIGHT -THAT’S WHAT YOU TOLD ME-
PLEASE HELP IF YOU HAVE SUFFERED UNDER THE CARE OF DIAMOND RANCH ACADEMY.
I give HEAL permission to use this statement. I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct. Executed on ___July 20th________________, 2009.
DECLARATION UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY
PURSUANT TO 28 USCA 1746
I, _____ [Anonymous]_____________, declare and state as follows:
1. [Dra]..
2. [Dra, Apple valley,St george Ut]
3. [april 14-feb 12]
4. [To inform others of the hidden truth behind the scenes]
I give HEAL permission to use this statement. I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct. Executed on September 28, 2009.
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[Anonymous]
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Please don’t call or put my personal info on site including my address
(Dra, Apple Valley;st george, apr14-Feb12,)
I want to remain anonymous
Diamond Ranch Academy exposed
Ok bear with me everyone.
Im sorry if any information is scattered but please just read all of it,Thank you.
It started april 12 2009 I was driving down the road in St george. I was looking for somewhere to get caught up in school.My parents and I went to go check out this place they said they could me caught up in school so I took their word for it.They sat my parents down and told them that it was a good school and it would get me caugh up in school they said it was a boarding school not a rehab I knew their were drug addicts there but they made it seem like a school.I wouldnt have went there if I knew all their rules they don't fill you in on any of these until you parents signed documents you had to be there for 10 months some 12.
I think it is unjust because some people can get their problems fixed in under 10 months.
With that in mind I went in with a positive attitude and was their for school only,
but Dra they took all my freedoms away besides getting food and water they strip you your first day. Im a good girl, Im already mormon but they violate that when they leave the door open when your taking a shower in the homeless program.I broke down crying because I didn't know it was a lockdown and nobody would talk to me.
My staff that night told other staff I was going to run away because I was breaking down.They put me on run watch and took me shoes and put me in flip flops for 3 weeks.Its all apart of their drama scheme they actually live off drama there the staff they hire at least.I learned this after being there staff would make fun of girls as well especially if they were homeless they'd call you girl in orange and tell you tobe positive or you'd stay in homeless longer. They treated you badly I had a panic attack a few times
One staff walked in the lunch room one day and was like I don't feel bad for any of you I read your papers. Dra automatically treats girls like they are below you by eating good food in front of you and teased us about it daily they were happy when they treated us like lower humans.I will not dramatize this but I want to make it known there is some things to look into at dra that are yet to be exposed.I can't begin because you have to "see for yourself" they have a clan of people working to make money for them and are using teens to serve as a purpose to do so.
At 18 I signed out and I chose to be homeless for a few days and lived in the mountains,but I survived because I went into town and a lady at Maverick asked me whats wrong.I told her everything and she said look you need to have a home and I dont want to see you on the streets.I told her "ok but I can't go back to Dra,I didn't like the way it made me feel" When I got to her house she treated me far better even as a stranger she didn't treat me like I was in a rehab I was very nice, and I let her know I wouldn't steal from her she clothed me properly and told me her house is open and her kitchen and let me take a shower.
At dra they don't respect you as nice as the lady I met at maverick, they automatically think your going to steal and just do everything bad,they need to change the way the operate because it won't be successful if they think something like were going to steal it's bound to happen.That's how they operated they used all their rules to make it seem effective but it backfired if someone broke one they'd add like 2 more rules everytime.Its based on scare tactics the staff actually yells at you I repeat yells at you even when working out or at dinners(everywhere).
Even when I was ready to leave they wouldn't let me go they got me to come back after I legally signed out on my 18th birthday.They even got the head staff cody to come looking for me to give me their contact card to come back.He told me and the lady who took me in that he'd buy me dinner.Instead he dropped me off at this hotel that I couldn't even get into. Yes the lady was blown out of her mind how cruel and uncaring these people were.She told me to stay with her and I did until I stayed in a motel for a couple days refusing to go back.Well I called his number after because my family told me to and he Manipulated me by saying you can leave in 3 weeks if you come back. Though they lied I was there longer for like 5 weeks longer then I was suppose to. Well after I got my ged my only way out I had a recognition February 13th. ( 2 months after my birthday)
Which brings me to another subject abuse was huge at Dra mentally,verbally,physically.
If you didn't participate they'd say what don't yo want to leave?Whats the matter with you? Do army crawl, do 50 man pushups ,when I say down down.They use their power for control over us they know we can't leave when we first get in so they use their power to push us around. As aggressive as they were I remember countless times they restrained girls for no reason one girl didn't want to go to homeless and the staff cody grabbed her wrists and yelled at her then shoved her into the cart, so she hit him after, but it was provoked .
Well for me I did what I could I had to put on a show that's what Dra teaches you tell on other girls, say you love the place, never tell your parents the truth if you said you hated it and told them anything negative they end your phone call.If they were real honest to goodness program they wouldn't care what children told their parents even if it wasn't good. They are trying so hard to look good that it' actually backfired there is now groups on facebook not rallying against it but they are voicing their opinions about the abuse.Dra needs to be shutdown sometime it is getting more powerful though so we need as much help as possible to help us.It is not a way to rebell I really feel like this program abuses kids when their purpose is to get kids off drugs it actually abuses them in the process which might trigger their relapse and feelings they play too many mind games and deny us of fresh water.
Please Go to http://www.heal-online.org/diamond.htm (http://www.heal-online.org/diamond.htm)
Well I never had tried drugs alcohol smoking or taken part in anything sexual.I know that it's not all their fault that girls relapse but they would even let girls listen to songs about weed and M.I.A's drug songs this was the Girls campus head staff "Brigham".
They let the girls on the basketball team hear lyrics about drugs in a rehab...that should be forbidden.Once again staff didn't follow the rules so there was not a good example for girls there.They have staff who've committed felonies,been in jail,sold drugs, even our first homeless staff amber was a heavy alcoholic,and partier.A homeless staff! You could tell by looking at her and they would hire anyone to work for them.Even obese ladies and woman who use to be drug addicts and still were.
Let me tell you there were some good things I weighed 118 when I left I looked like a rail who hadn't eaten much and had all her portions under control and much excersise.I learned that I can do bootcamp hard things but life is not this way.It was a real transition program
Well I had a panic attack a few times and the least they could do was send me to homeless.After crying being in the bathroom saying I want to go home and shaking and shaking.I couldn't help it I was losing my mind I believe.Well a staff was called to my doorm and his name was Bryant he told me Id have to get up im like no im staying here.He said well you need to go to bed I was like I can't stop shaking.He says why Im 'like I don't know Bryant I don't know.He replied "well I'm going to have to restrain you if you don' get up,"They then radioed staff and 1 mean staff from guys side I will tell you his name once I remember it(THIS NEEDS TO BE REPORTED)
This man was escorted with a nurse into my doorm they took me to the med closet and were like I'll give you benadryl..and I said I don't want it I just want to go to the hospital.
I knew I needed medical attention since I was having a severe panic attack.Anyway they looked at me like I'm just trying to help and I said i'm sorry I just don't want medication.Well the man yelled at me and threatened to restrain me and put me on my bed,so he threatened to touch me and force me on my bed and go to bed.
He told me I was a "waste of their time and also faking this whole thing and stop playing games."Well I wasn't it was a panic attack and Dra doesn't care if your out of breath or shaking he also told me not to have another panic attack again.
It was a haunting expirience I was scared and forced to lay on my bed,but I was still shaking. (This was 1 of my 3 panic attacks at dra also keep in mind I hadn't had one for 3 years)
So they resisted to give me medical attention at the hospital.This is what they did, and theres even been a death in January 2009, because they denied to give a student medical attention all happening in 2009. Its not a good place to send kids for that reason.
For me My bad habits started after going here I never did a drug tasted alcohol anything even sex!Well 4 months after my depart of Dra I went to my first rave in June and tried ecstasy and cigarettes and hung out with addicts who've done heroin and were heavy boomers.I know I never would have done this but in a way it actually reminded me of Dra.They talked about drugs in good ways and I wanted to try it.It didn't stop I also went to another rave In august and did ecstasy with coke.I can't and won't do that anymore still I believe dra had alot to do with my curiosity.I tell you this because I've actually been to a rehab before when I was 12 but it was for anger issues not drugs or anything else.I can honestly say they dont help your kids, everyone I know has either relapsed or worse and I was the girl who never tried sex,drugs,alcohol,or anything at all before Dra.Now I am alot more expirienced when it comes to substances.
I went to Dra to get caught up in school I was 1 year and a half behind I actually saw it online.They don't tell you a thing about it until your locked down and physically prevented from leaving.That place is electrically fenced and surrounded with water making it a harsh environment if a Kid actually did run away and succeed he'd die.
Thank you for your time, but I do want to say it made me very skinny I highly believe this program produces eating disorders our portions were sometimes smaller then a fist.
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This school is really abusive:
BEIJING - Eleven girls died of carbon monoxide poisoning at a school in northern China's Shaanxi province, an education official said Tuesday evening. A news report said the girls had lit a fire to keep warm.
A dozen girls were found poisoned Tuesday morning at the Duiziliang Middle School in Yulin city, said an official with the Yulin Education Bureau, who gave her family name as Fan.
She said 11 girls were confirmed dead, with another being treated at a hospital.
They are still open dispite the deaths and alleged abuse.
Dont try to blame the school. You left out the details:
HereThe Xinhua News Agency said the girls died Monday after lighting the fire to keep warm. The report said the 12th girl was in serious condition.
Xinhua did not say if the room was a classroom or a dormitory.
The report also did not give the ages of the girls or other details. It said the provincial vice governor had arrived to help investigate the case.
It is still under investigation, why do fornits people always blame the school? or leave out critical details to make the school look responsible? These kids started a fire themselves!!
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"WELL KIDS DIE IN OTHER PLACES SO THAT MAKES IT OKAY"
...that's seriously what you're going to troll with?
Only on Fornits, folks. Only these sick fucks.
thier implication is that kids die in other locales, just because kids die doesn't mean their respective "caregivers" caused the death through abuse.
What they neglect to mention, is that unlike real "schools" programs are gulags that imprison victims and prevent them from making the 911 calls which they, at 12- 18 are more than capable of making--and keep their victims in abusive settings that are quite capable of causing the illnesses they expire from. So, James Shirey's and similarly situated deaths with them carry different implications, per se.
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Notice the style of writing in all those reports against Diamond Ranch are the same. All the reports were written by the same person with nothing better to do then story writing. It is amazing how far people will go to discredit a place trying to help children.
Disgusting.
Notice no names were given because they didnt have any and if they did add them they would have been sued for slander. So there is no way to verify the info, no newspaper articles or police reports.
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"WELL KIDS DIE IN OTHER PLACES SO THAT MAKES IT OKAY"
...that's seriously what you're going to troll with?
Only on Fornits, folks. Only these sick fucks.
just because kids die doesn't mean their respective "caregivers" caused the death through abuse.
Exactly the point!! We havent seen any evidence from you, autopsies, police reports etc. that show the school was responsible, yet you continue to write stories pretending to be students of DRA. How do you know an ex staff from DRA didnt fly over to Bejing and kill those nine students. Why not try to make that connect too? You dont need to make it credible or have evidence or anything. LOL
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Oh, John D. Reuben. LOL! LOL! James Shirey was kidnapped, imprisoned incommunicado and died in abusive conditions. LOL! Your son killed himself after you had him imprisoned at Academy at swift river where he was tortured. LOL! Can it get any funnier? You pretending you think I am pretending to be all the victims of Diamond Ranch academy who entered their sworn testimony-- what a kidder you are! That's some good trolling! What an excellent representative of your industry you are John, you lying, disrespectful ghoul!
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Oh, John D. Reuben. LOL! LOL! James Shirey was kidnapped, imprisoned incommunicado and died in abusive conditions. LOL! Your son killed himself after you had him imprisoned at Academy at swift river where he was tortured. LOL! Can it get any funnier? You pretending you think I am pretending to be all the victims of Diamond Ranch academy who entered their sworn testimony-- what a kidder you are! That's some good trolling! What an excellent representative of your industry you are John, you lying, disrespectful ghoul!
Very typical,instead of trying to explain all the posts you wrote without authors you seek to discredit the ones exposing you and hope that everyone forgets. I am not this John guy, but I will tell you if any of the readers here were abused by a school they wouldnt write a story, void of details, to some obscure web site. They would be reporting it to the police and naming names on the internet along with details and pictures knowing they cannot be sued for telling the truth. The reason we dont see this is because the author made it all up and if they named actual people they would be in jail right now.
This we know to be true. The rest is story telling. When I'm right I'm right.
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Oh, John D. Reuben. LOL! LOL! James Shirey was kidnapped, imprisoned incommunicado and died in abusive conditions. LOL! Your son killed himself after you had him imprisoned at Academy at swift river where he was tortured. LOL! Can it get any funnier? You pretending you think I am pretending to be all the victims of Diamond Ranch academy who entered their sworn testimony-- what a kidder you are! That's some good trolling! What an excellent representative of your industry you are John, you lying, disrespectful ghoul!
Very typical,instead of trying to explain all the posts you wrote without authors you seek to discredit the ones exposing you and hope that everyone forgets. I am not this John guy, but I will tell you if any of the readers here were abused by a school they wouldnt write a story, void of details, to some obscure web site. They would be reporting it to the police and naming names on the internet along with details and pictures knowing they cannot be sued for telling the truth. The reason we dont see this is because the author made it all up and if they named actual people they would be in jail right now.
This we know to be true. The rest is story telling. When I'm right I'm right.
Why not sue the one author of all the different "stories"? http://www.heal-online.org/diamond.htm (http://www.heal-online.org/diamond.htm)
that's what people tend to do when "stories" or torture are made up about thier organization--oh right, that ends with the gulag getting exposed for the dangerous cult it is.
http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?opti ... ew&id=5116 (http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5116)
Its amazing, john, what a troll you are. Ya think you'd at least try to maitain a semblance of credibility, but nah.
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The survivor statements are lies. I take them with a grain of salt.
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Notice the style of writing in all those reports against Diamond Ranch are the same. All the reports were written by the same person with nothing better to do then story writing. It is amazing how far people will go to discredit a place trying to help children.
Disgusting.
Notice no names were given because they didnt have any and if they did add them they would have been sued for slander. So there is no way to verify the info, no newspaper articles or police reports.
Just like ISACcorp, HEAL retains the originals on file but keeps the named and signed declarations (under penalty of perjury) private. That's their right. Considering your threat, it's probably also a wise decision. If you claim they were never signed and were all written by the same person, you're implying heal to be complicit in the deception. If that's the case, why don't you sue HEAL. Go ahead. Make Angela's day.
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...but you never will considering two things: you know she has signed statements on file and you know those statements are accurate. Even if you did sue the "does" (which is entirely possible) you would fail miserably, just like the lawsuit against me failed. Need I remind you, like California, UTAH has pretty strong anti-slapp statutes.
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If people did consider him a detainee then he is no longer one. He can come home anytime he wants. He has been told in no uncertain terms that if he breaks certain rules he will be sent home. So if he really truly wants to leave he can. Thats not being detained, he has a choice and control of his future.
I'm sorry. I just don't find that credible for a myrid of reasons. It's clear he didn't want to go there... what would keep him there other than force? Many programs have claimed similar things, little of it turned out to be truthful.
But do keep in mind the mail tampering poster I posted earlier. Remember it's a crime with a 10k reward attached to it. I can imagine that if those postcards/letters are not delivered, there will be a lot of calls to that USPS toll free hot-line.
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Notice the style of writing in all those reports against Diamond Ranch are the same. All the reports were written by the same person with nothing better to do then story writing. It is amazing how far people will go to discredit a place trying to help children.
Disgusting.
Notice no names were given because they didnt have any and if they did add them they would have been sued for slander. So there is no way to verify the info, no newspaper articles or police reports.
Just like ISACcorp, HEAL retains the originals on file but keeps the named and signed declarations (under penalty of perjury) private. That's their right. Considering your threat, it's probably also a wise decision. If you claim they were never signed and were all written by the same person, you're implying heal to be complicit in the deception. If that's the case, why don't you sue HEAL. Go ahead. Make Angela's day.
i have personally spoken with or have exchanged emails with three of the statement writers. They are all real people, believe you me. All those kids needed was someone to care enough to ask about their experience. DRA is no Tranquility Bay, but the indoctrination model of crediting the program for your "sanity" is our philosophical objection. We know Brendan needs help, but not at the price DRA and his parents want him to pay. Adolescence is not a disease. You can also find an example of how adults and teens can work together to problem solve at www.freechild.org (http://www.freechild.org).
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what would keep him there other than force?
lmao@! you of all people should know the answer to that.
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Why do you guys care about Brendan? You don't have personal connections with him. I am curious why Brendan was sent o a program. There are ALWAYS two sides to the story.
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Why do you guys care about Brendan? You don't have personal connections with him. I am curious why Brendan was sent o a program. There are ALWAYS two sides to the story.
There are no "two" sides to imprisoning a person without due process, torturer.
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He acted like an idiot, broke laws, smoked hard drugs and was violent. Brendan did belong in a program.
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Yet fornits will attempt to portray him as a victim. This place is a joke. Now that the admin has been caught pretending to be an attendee of a youth program, the credibility is zero. It's just some guy who went to rehab as an adult. Too funny!
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When you get down to it we all know that he needs help and belongs there. We have already gotten past and debunked the argument that kids are just randomly being pick up and driven to programs. We also know the parents have better things to spend their money on then escorts and specialty schools. The kid was out of control and abused his parents. The kid needs to be there period. The parents are the victims here.
Anyone who has ever been to DRA knows that if he breaks the rules or tries to run then he will be kicked out (sent home). But he is obviously getting the help he wants and needs because he is still there by his own choice. Brendon has spoken.
Some people resist going into the water and if they are picked up and thrown in they dont all necessarily jump out and run home. Most enjoy the water once they are in and realize the benefit and stay.
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Some people resist going into the water and if they are picked up and thrown in they dont all necessarily jump out and run home. Most enjoy the water once they are in and realize the benefit and stay.
Brendon has a choice to make and it is time to "sink or swim". Which will he choose?
I think he will stay and swim. But only time will tell what decides to do with his life.
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When you get down to it we all know that he needs help and belongs there. We have already gotten past and debunked the argument that kids are just randomly being pick up and driven to programs. We also know the parents have better things to spend their money on then escorts and specialty schools. The kid was out of control and abused his parents. The kid needs to be there period. The parents are the victims here.
Anyone who has ever been to DRA knows that if he breaks the rules or tries to run then he will be kicked out (sent home). But he is obviously getting the help he wants and needs because he is still there by his own choice. Brendon has spoken.
Some people resist going into the water and if they are picked up and thrown in they dont all necessarily jump out and run home. Most enjoy the water once they are in and realize the benefit and stay.
You're one pathetic slime ball. "Help" doesnt include abduction and imprisonment without leal process. You are a modern day Spanish inquisition, doling out "salvation" at the expense of your victims.
You need help. You are a sociopath who has no sense of the rights other human beings. Kidnap and imprisonment is illegal, you freak. So is brainwashing and abuse.
The help you receive should come in the form of a prison sentence. Through imprisonment you might learn the moral boundaries you need to live under.
Maybe Brendon will be the victim that provides you with that help.
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Apparently the postcard business is working; the bullshit is increasing.
Now start sending them to staff encouraging them to conceal recorders on their person and show the world exactly what the fuck goes on in there.
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Kidnap and imprisonment is illegal, you freak. So is brainwashing and abuse.
Exactly!! So show us some police reports where anyone was arrested for kidnapping and false imprisionment. You cant because it is all in your head, moron!! You make such a joke of yourself. Have you ever read the papers and see what happens when a kid really is kidnapped? Do you think all these thousands of kids are kidnapped an imprisoned and no one knows about it?
You are screwed up in the head. Then add the waterboarding and abuse? Your a sick person for even thinking anyone would buy your story thats why no one believes the stories here because you guys heap on the bs so much we cant tell what is real or not.
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Kidnap and imprisonment is illegal, you freak. So is brainwashing and abuse.
Exactly!! So show us some police reports where anyone was arrested for kidnapping and false imprisionment. You cant because it is all in your head, moron!! You make such a joke of yourself. Have you ever read the papers and see what happens when a kid really is kidnapped? Do you think all these thousands of kids are kidnapped an imprisoned and no one knows about it?
You are screwed up in the head. Then add the waterboarding and abuse? Your a sick person for even thinking anyone would buy your story thats why no one believes the stories here because you guys heap on the bs so much we cant tell what is real or not.
Good question. Why do the police not arrest people who kidnap in the name of "help"? http://www.nospank.net/labi.htm (http://www.nospank.net/labi.htm)
If only John D Reuben hadn't paid for his son's abudtion and imprisonment. If only John had been arrested for that terrible crime he financed. Maybe his son would have been rescused and be alive today.
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Notice the style of writing in all those reports against Diamond Ranch are the same. All the reports were written by the same person with nothing better to do then story writing. It is amazing how far people will go to discredit a place trying to help children.
Disgusting.
Notice no names were given because they didnt have any and if they did add them they would have been sued for slander. So there is no way to verify the info, no newspaper articles or police reports.
Just like ISACcorp, HEAL retains the originals on file but keeps the named and signed declarations (under penalty of perjury) private. That's their right. Considering your threat, it's probably also a wise decision. If you claim they were never signed and were all written by the same person, you're implying heal to be complicit in the deception. If that's the case, why don't you sue HEAL. Go ahead. Make Angela's day.
i have personally spoken with or have exchanged emails with three of the statement writers. They are all real people, believe you me. All those kids needed was someone to care enough to ask about their experience. DRA is no Tranquility Bay, but the indoctrination model of crediting the program for your "sanity" is our philosophical objection. We know Brendan needs help, but not at the price DRA and his parents want him to pay. Adolescence is not a disease. You can also find an example of how adults and teens can work together to problem solve at http://www.freechild.org (http://www.freechild.org).
Have you gone to the police about Brendan's kidnap? What did the police say they would do? Will they arrest his kidnappers?
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Kidnap and imprisonment is illegal, you freak. So is brainwashing and abuse.
Exactly!! So show us some police reports where anyone was arrested for kidnapping and false imprisionment. You cant because it is all in your head, moron!! You make such a joke of yourself. Have you ever read the papers and see what happens when a kid really is kidnapped? Do you think all these thousands of kids are kidnapped an imprisoned and no one knows about it?
You are screwed up in the head. Then add the waterboarding and abuse? Your a sick person for even thinking anyone would buy your story thats why no one believes the stories here because you guys heap on the bs so much we cant tell what is real or not.
Good question.
Thank you, guest, so you see if kids really were being kidnapped left and right the media would be all over it. This is a given (unless you live under a rock) But almost everything you read here is made up. There is no one in jail for murder or abuse, kidnapping from these schools. These are just stated here for sensationalism and to get attention.
People here are pissed off because Brendon has decided to stay and get help and most of the posters here lost their chance long ago, blew for themselves and cant stand others getting the help they should have gotten. They are still blaming the programs from decades ago and stuck in neutral.
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Kidnap and imprisonment is illegal, you freak. So is brainwashing and abuse.
Exactly!! So show us some police reports where anyone was arrested for kidnapping and false imprisionment. You cant because it is all in your head, moron!! You make such a joke of yourself. Have you ever read the papers and see what happens when a kid really is kidnapped? Do you think all these thousands of kids are kidnapped an imprisoned and no one knows about it?
You are screwed up in the head. Then add the waterboarding and abuse? Your a sick person for even thinking anyone would buy your story thats why no one believes the stories here because you guys heap on the bs so much we cant tell what is real or not.
Good question.
Thank you, guest, so you see if kids really were being kidnapped left and right the media would be all over it. This is a given (unless you live under a rock) But almost everything you read here is made up. There is no one in jail for murder or abuse, kidnapping from these schools. These are just stated here for sensationalism and to get attention.
People here are pissed off because Brendon has decided to stay and get help and most of the posters here lost their chance long ago, blew for themselves and cant stand others getting the help they should have gotten. They are still blaming the programs from decades ago and stuck in neutral.
the media has been all over it. There are many many articles about abduction, imprisonment (and torture and brainwashing) by the gulags you are emotionally enmeshed in, as cult disciples.
Guest posted one, others are easily accessible to anyone who can google
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Now start sending them to staff encouraging them to conceal recorders on their person and show the world exactly what the fuck goes on in there.
DRA is aware of this thread and I will continue to update them.
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They're probably very aware of the postcards they've been receiving as well so ....whatever
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Just in case people are too lazy to get to the postbo and/or buy stamps, you can make a postcard online and have it sent wherever you want for $1.50 a pop. Don't be cheap. Put it on your todo list and send one a day.
http://www.hazelmail.com/ (http://www.hazelmail.com/)
Also, using the above service you might want to send DRA a tiny reminder about mail tampering, courtesy of the USPS:
http://fornits.com/psy/mailTampering.jpg (http://fornits.com/psy/mailTampering.jpg)
Someone had the idea to flood DRA with postcards for Brendan. We want an absolute DELUGE of letters. kind of like what they do in China when they imprison religious leaders. as a form of peaceful protests, the people inundate the prison with so much mail that they cannot function. Here is the addy for DRA:
Brendan Spelman
c/o Diamond Ranch Academy
1500 East 2700 South
Hurricane, UT 84737
Postcards are cheap, even cheaper than a stamp on an envelope.
Just address it to Brendan Spelman and write a message of hope.
Let's do it!
also, please repost this group and the DRA address to your own wall. Then all YOUR friends can do the same thing!
I'll be sending 5 postcards off tomorrow, might even send a couple of empty packages as well. Knowing DRA they won't let him get anything not authorized by his parent's so it has the potential for amusement.[/quote]
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Notice the style of writing in all those reports against Diamond Ranch are the same. All the reports were written by the same person with nothing better to do then story writing. It is amazing how far people will go to discredit a place trying to help children.
Disgusting.
Notice no names were given because they didnt have any and if they did add them they would have been sued for slander. So there is no way to verify the info, no newspaper articles or police reports.
Just like ISACcorp, HEAL retains the originals on file but keeps the named and signed declarations (under penalty of perjury) private. That's their right. Considering your threat, it's probably also a wise decision. If you claim they were never signed and were all written by the same person, you're implying heal to be complicit in the deception. If that's the case, why don't you sue HEAL. Go ahead. Make Angela's day.
i have personally spoken with or have exchanged emails with three of the statement writers. They are all real people, believe you me. All those kids needed was someone to care enough to ask about their experience. DRA is no Tranquility Bay, but the indoctrination model of crediting the program for your "sanity" is our philosophical objection. We know Brendan needs help, but not at the price DRA and his parents want him to pay. Adolescence is not a disease. You can also find an example of how adults and teens can work together to problem solve at http://www.freechild.org (http://www.freechild.org).
Have you gone to the police about Brendan's kidnap? What did the police say they would do? Will they arrest his kidnappers?
Really, what did they say? (im not a troll--just a person who does not understand how the police do NOTHING on behalf of victims of these criminal organizations)
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the media has been all over it. There are many many articles about abduction, imprisonment (and torture and brainwashing) by the gulags you are emotionally enmeshed in, as cult disciples.
Guest posted one, others are easily accessible to anyone who can google
If there are many then posting one example of where a gulag kidnapped a child and the police tracked the kidnappers down and put them in jail. Out of the thousands you should be able to find one link to one article. Did they give the kidnappers the death sentence?
Just one article where the kidnappers were caught and sentenced... only 1 of the 1,000's that occur each year. How about an amber alert!!! or americas most wanted, one of these abductions would be sure to make it on one of those shows, hell, they feature 20 year olds who are lost in the woods they must have a few of these kidnappings on their show.
Just 1!!!
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Growing up the abductions were performed in broad daylight. We were dressed up and placed as close to the edge of the street as possible and these yellow vehicles would come by and force us into them and we were held against our will for hours each day being subjected to humiliation and abuse. We were forced to read out loud and walk in single file. We were not allowed to speak for hours on end. It was behavior modification in the truest sense of the word. We endured this for 12 years. I believe Brendon will get off easy with only a year or more (lucky stiff)
Like Brendons abduction none of these ever made the evening news although we felt we should have been. We had been denied our day in court and due process, just forced against our will. I was so glad when I turned 18. Brendon will get thru it as I did.
Hang in there Brendon,
Signed,
Life survivor (so far)
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what would keep him there other than force?
lmao@! you of all people should know the answer to that.
Good point. But in a sense thought reform and depriving a person of their resources is "soft" force.
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Brendan was a misfit who verbally abused, physically abused and sexually abused other people. He deserved to be "Escorted" to DRA. People, stop your Jihad crusade and move on.
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the media has been all over it. There are many many articles about abduction, imprisonment (and torture and brainwashing) by the gulags you are emotionally enmeshed in, as cult disciples.
Guest posted one, others are easily accessible to anyone who can google
If there are many then posting one example of where a gulag kidnapped a child and the police tracked the kidnappers down and put them in jail. Out of the thousands you should be able to find one link to one article. Did they give the kidnappers the death sentence?
Just one article where the kidnappers were caught and sentenced... only 1 of the 1,000's that occur each year. How about an amber alert!!! or americas most wanted, one of these abductions would be sure to make it on one of those shows, hell, they feature 20 year olds who are lost in the woods they must have a few of these kidnappings on their show.
Just 1!!!
http://www.isaccorp.org/brightway/brigh ... 03.03.html (http://www.isaccorp.org/brightway/brightway-adolescent-hospital.03.03.03.html)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 41,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,138441,00.html)
http://www.people.com/people/archive/ar ... 24,00.html (http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20125924,00.html)
Here are 3 more. There are thousands of media reports on the subject. If you google you can get more.
No the kidnapper was not put in jail. For whatever reasons, law enforement allows these "help" organizations to kidnap people, as you well know, john d.
Loving neighbors took one of these evil kidnappers to court, on behalf of the kidnapper's victim.
http://www.caica.org/OPINIONS%20VanBlaringen.htm (http://www.caica.org/OPINIONS%20VanBlaringen.htm)
By Adam Cohen
Time, January 26, 1998
"Since you have sent me here, I will take care of my issues so that I can come home soon and be a better, happier and nicer and smarter person than when I came here. The water is so blue, the beach looks so sandy, the hills are so green, the weather is so nice--and the chain link so high."
Letter from David van Blarigan, Tranquility Bay, Jamaica, to his parents, Dec.15, 1997
Just past midnight, David van Blarigan, 16, woke up in his Oakland, California home to find his parents at his bedside with two burly strangers they had called to take him away. "Why are you doing this?" the teenager cried out. "Because you're unhappy here," his mother replied. "If you don't cooperate," one of his escorts said, "we'll have to put you in handcuffs." David's first stop was Brightway Adolescent Hospital, a mental facility 700 miles away in St. George, Utah. Although David had no criminal record, was not violent and hadn't been abusing drugs or alcohol, a Brightway psychiatrist determined that the boy required prolonged treatment. He prescribed a one-year stay at Tranquility Bay, a "behavior modification school."
That is David's account of how he ended up at Tranquility Bay, and it's at the heart of a lawsuit asking a court to order him returned to California over his parents' objections. David's case, on which a superior-court judge in Oakland is expected to rule this week, pits the civil liberties of a teenager against the right of a parent to decide how to raise a child. It also shines a spotlight on the shadowy world of for-profit "attitude adjustment" camps and schools. Some parents who have resorted to such programs say their intensive boot camp-style approach has been the crucial factor in turning around their troubled children's lives. But critics charge that many of the camps hold children prisoner, inflict what they consider to be physical and mental abuse--and sometimes cause death.
Behavior modification schools advertise in the back of mainstream magazines like Sunset, and their slogans are as no-nonsense as a five-mile run at sunrise. "Attitudes adjusted here," says an ad for the Ascent Program. Sea Hawk Academy promises "the wake-up call your teenager needs." Many offer to arrange the kind of "escort service" David van Blarigan found at his bedside. The schools and camps are often isolated, either in rural America (Thompson Falls, Mont.) or in faraway locales (Western Samoa). They number as many as 2,000, estimates Alexia Parks, author of a new online report on the subject, An American Gulag, and they come in many varieties: religious, military-style, and some focused on special issues, like drug abuse. A few try to "shock" gay children back to heterosexuality.
Life in many attitude-adjustment schools is closer to prison than prep school. Facilities are spartan, discipline strict. At Tranquility Bay, students are supervised from wake-up at 6:30 a.m. to lights-out at 9:30 p.m. Punishment for violations of the 54-page student rule book range from loss of merit points to "observation placement" meaning a student must lie on the tile floor of his room all day, not sitting up except for meals and bathroom breaks. And parents sign a contract allowing the school to use handcuffs, mace and stun guns on their children. "Restraints are rare," says Jay Kay, a former San Diego gas station and mini-mart manager who owns and operates Tranquility Bay. "But we take them seriously, and we train for them."
The love is even tougher at attitude-adjustment wilderness camps. Teens are enrolled for one to three months of rigorous camping and treks through the wild. To establish discipline, food and water are often withheld. For punishment, the camps often impose grueling hikes and uncomfortable sleeping conditions. Cathy and Bob Sutton of Ripon, Calif., sent their 16-year-old daughter Michelle to camp Summit Quest in the summer of 1990 because she had become depressed and dabbled with drugs after she was date-raped. The Suttons, who thought from a marketing director's pitch that the camp sounded challenging but kind, paid $14,000 for 63 days. But Michelle's counselors got lost on an exercise in which the campers had limited supplies of water. When Michelle ran out of water, a counselor told the other hikers not to share, and joked that Michelle's parched mouth was so white "it looks like you've been eating marshmallows." After complaining she couldn't see, Michelle collapsed and died of dehydration. Six weeks later, at another wilderness camp a camper named Kristen Chase died of heatstroke after a forced march in 105 degrees heat. In 1994, yet another camper, Aaron Bacon, died of acute peritonitis compounded by neglect on another wilderness program.
Supporters of schools like Tranquility Bay say it's unfair to lump it with rogue institutions in which children are abused. Life at his school is not easy, Kay says, but no one is harmed. "The first days are very, very rough for the students," he concedes. "But after that they realize we are pretty good people." A 19-year-old said that after her parents sent her to Tranquility Bay, she began reversing her slide into drug use. "When I came here, I was a typical type of person that needed to be here," she says. "It was like I was wearing a sign that said, HELP ME." She was not an athlete when she arrived last March, but since then she has lost 40 lbs. and become a star soccer and basketball player. "You are stripped of your freedom here and take pride in it when you earn it back," she says.
David van Blarigan found another way to try to take back his freedom. When he got off the plane in Jamaica, the escort team from Tranquility Bay was late meeting him. That gave him time to call a friend and neighbor, Neil Aschemeyer, who is also an administrative-law judge. Aschemeyer got in touch with Robert Hutchins, head of the Alameda County district attorney's child-abduction unit. And Hutchins went to court to petition for David's release. For the moment, he isn't bringing criminal charges, but he regards the teenager's abduction as kidnapping. "When they sent this so-called escort service to pick up their boy, they took him against his will," Hutchins says. "That's kidnapping." Normally, a parent cannot kidnap his own child, but Hutchins argues that by giving Tranquility Bay the power to "restrain, control and detain" their son for a year, they effectively handed over custody of him, which, he says, California case law prohibits. Hutchins also contends that David's brief examination at Brightway was a sham and that his parents had already signed a yearlong contract with Tranquility Bay.
The van Blarigans, for their part, say they were stunned to be hauled into court. "I was scratching my head," Jim van Blarigan says of the day Hutchins' office served him with papers. "I asked, what do you mean, kidnapping my [own] son?" They love their son, they insist, and are only doing their duty. "We as parents made a choice to send our son to a boarding school for his benefit," says Sue van Blarigan. "We're being challenged on whether we have that right as parents." If David's suit prevails, he will be placed not with his parents but with the Alameda County family court. "Under the family code, minors have rights," says Hutchins. Of course, parents do too. The question before the judge is where a parent's rights end and a child's begin. -- Reported by Sylvster Monroe/Treasure Beach and James Willwerth/Los Angeles
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He acted like an idiot, broke laws, smoked hard drugs and was violent. Brendan did belong in a program.
That's not what his friends who knew him said. I wouldn't be surprised if he confessed to those things under duress, though. After all, if you don't confess to what you're accused of, you don't leave. Some are smarter than others in catching on to this.
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Yet fornits will attempt to portray him as a victim. This place is a joke. Now that the admin has been caught pretending to be an attendee of a youth program, the credibility is zero. It's just some guy who went to rehab as an adult. Too funny!
Ad homenem and not true (but defending myself is not the purpose of this thread. Start another). Furthermore there are two admins. The other, Antigen, attended Straight Inc. as a teen.
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Why do you guys care about Brendan? You don't have personal connections with him.
In a sense many of us do. His story bears many similarities to my own, for example. I was doing fine on my own where I was at the time but was threatened with deportation. During the time I was out on my own, it was probably the happiest time of my life. Brendan's friends report he felt similarly; that they had never seen him happier.
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the media has been all over it. There are many many articles about abduction, imprisonment (and torture and brainwashing) by the gulags you are emotionally enmeshed in, as cult disciples.
Guest posted one, others are easily accessible to anyone who can google
If there are many then posting one example of where a gulag kidnapped a child and the police tracked the kidnappers down and put them in jail. Out of the thousands you should be able to find one link to one article. Did they give the kidnappers the death sentence?
Just one article where the kidnappers were caught and sentenced... only 1 of the 1,000's that occur each year. How about an amber alert!!! or americas most wanted, one of these abductions would be sure to make it on one of those shows, hell, they feature 20 year olds who are lost in the woods they must have a few of these kidnappings on their show.
Just 1!!!
No the kidnapper was not put in jail. For whatever reasons, law enforement allows these "help" organizations to kidnap people, as you well know, john d.
So it is not against the law and you cannot produce one person who went to jail. Kidanpping is against the law, so this isnt kidnapping, no PhD or law degree needed for this one. Yet you have a tough time with this? Now based on your definitions what should we think when you say you were abused? forced to read, to do your homework? Why do you stretch the truth and definitions like this?
If it makes you feel any better I still see the person who use to drive the yellow vehicle that abducted me every morning and he is still running free. Never went to jail either. We are all just used and abused souls.
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When you get down to it we all know that he needs help and belongs there. We have already gotten past and debunked the argument that kids are just randomly being pick up and driven to programs.
It's as random as the parents want. Was he diagnosed with an illness by a doctor after which he voluntarily submitted to treatment? Was he convicted in a court of law by a jury of his peers of a crime? Was he entitled to a defense? An attorney? NO. He was pulled off the street under false pretenses and kidnapped. What the hell else do you want to call it. I refuse to use the "escort" euphemism. Pick up a dictionary and read it. Making up your own words to seem more legitimate is a poor defense.
We also know the parents have better things to spend their money on then escorts and specialty schools. The kid was out of control and abused his parents.
Says one side of the story, and not his friends, and if Brendan could speak freely, I doubt he'd agree.
Let's put it this way. The program ended up convincing me that while I was on my own I was doing badly and was destined to failure (the program or death). Through the dogma of the almighty program I was forced to reinterpret my past -- and I swallowed it; hook, line, and sinker. Thought reform is a powerful thing. It wasn't until I talked to my parents years later who said by the standards of the world, I was doing fine.
The kid needs to be there period. The parents are the victims here.
Bullshit. The only extent the parents are victims is to degree they're scammed by the program. Even that is only financial damage. What is being done to this kid under false pretenses of therapy makes him the victim here.
Anyone who has ever been to DRA knows that if he breaks the rules or tries to run then he will be kicked out (sent home).
Bull. I would bet large amounts of money you threaten them with worse programs if they act enough to get kicked out. Common tactic at WWASP was threatening kids with out of country programs such as TB or High Impact.
But he is obviously getting the help he wants and needs because he is still there by his own choice. Brendon has spoken.
Under duress. Can he speak freely with the outside world without being monitored or without fear of punishment? Didn't think so. IMO, by now, he's figured out that he has to say whatever the program wants in order to succeed. Eventually, he'll probably believe it -- probably some time after the program too... but it will wear off and when it does you will have hell to pay. I'll personally make sure of that.
Some people resist going into the water and if they are picked up and thrown in they dont all necessarily jump out and run home. Most enjoy the water once they are in and realize the benefit and stay.
Throwing them in without their consent is STILL wrong regardless of your pathetic rationalizations. Your ends justify the means bullshit makes me sick.
Just because you think a person might enjoy or benefit from something does not give you the right to force it on them.
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Kidnap and imprisonment is illegal, you freak. So is brainwashing and abuse.
Exactly!! So show us some police reports where anyone was arrested for kidnapping and false imprisionment.
Prosecuting such things are very difficult since the statute of limitations tends to be short. Programs wait until kids are good and brainwashed (thought reform) before they let them leave, and that takes a while to wear off. When Antigen, who went to arguably one of the worst program in history (straight inc) got out of the program, she was asked by the press and others "were you abused" and she said "no". By any outside standards of human decency she was, and so were so many others. Today, I dare you, I fucking double dare you, to find a single Straight Inc. graduate will say that the program was not abusive. Time puts things in perspective. When you grow up in the twilight zone you don't realize just how messed up things are. This is why thought reform can only happen in a vacuum and this is why progams must cut participants off from all outside influences. Read some Robert Lifton or Margaret Singer on the topic. You might learn something.
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the media has been all over it. There are many many articles about abduction, imprisonment (and torture and brainwashing) by the gulags you are emotionally enmeshed in, as cult disciples.
Guest posted one, others are easily accessible to anyone who can google
If there are many then posting one example of where a gulag kidnapped a child and the police tracked the kidnappers down and put them in jail. Out of the thousands you should be able to find one link to one article. Did they give the kidnappers the death sentence?
Just one article where the kidnappers were caught and sentenced... only 1 of the 1,000's that occur each year. How about an amber alert!!! or americas most wanted, one of these abductions would be sure to make it on one of those shows, hell, they feature 20 year olds who are lost in the woods they must have a few of these kidnappings on their show.
Just 1!!!
No the kidnapper was not put in jail. For whatever reasons, law enforement allows these "help" organizations to kidnap people, as you well know, john d.
So it is not against the law and you cannot produce one person who went to jail. Kidanpping is against the law, so this isnt kidnapping, no PhD or law degree needed for this one. Yet you have a tough time with this? Now based on your definitions what should we think when you say you were abused? forced to read, to do your homework? Why do you stretch the truth and definitions like this?
If it makes you feel any better I still see the person who use to drive the yellow vehicle that abducted me every morning and he is still running free. Never went to jail either. We are all just used and abused souls.
From the previously posted Time Magazine article, "Is This A Camp Or Jail? (http://http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,987718,00.html)":
David van Blarigan found another way to try to take back his freedom. When he got off the plane in Jamaica, the escort team from Tranquility Bay was late meeting him. That gave him time to call a friend and neighbor, Neil Aschemeyer, who is also an administrative-law judge. Aschemeyer got in touch with Robert Hutchins, head of the Alameda County district attorney's child-abduction unit. And Hutchins went to court to petition for David's release. For the moment, he isn't bringing criminal charges, but he regards the teenager's abduction as kidnapping. "When they sent this so-called escort service to pick up their boy, they took him against his will," Hutchins says. "That's kidnapping." Normally, a parent cannot kidnap his own child, but Hutchins argues that by giving Tranquility Bay the power to "restrain, control and detain" their son for a year, they effectively handed over custody of him, which, he says, California case law prohibits. Hutchins also contends that David's brief examination at Brightway was a sham and that his parents had already signed a yearlong contract with Tranquility Bay.[/list]
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So it is not against the law and you cannot produce one person who went to jail. Kidanpping is against the law, so this isnt kidnapping, no PhD or law degree needed for this one.
Were the people who grabbee Brendan off the streets law enforcement officers? NO. It was fucking kidnapping, then. Just because it's rarely and/or difficult to prosecute doesn't make it any more legal.
I hope to god a kid snaps out early enough to prosecute, though it might not make a difference with the local prosecutors. Just ask Denise Woodbury, local prosecutor in Bonner's Ferry Idaho, why she didn't prosecute a rapist escort.
If it makes you feel any better I still see the person who use to drive the yellow vehicle that abducted me every morning and he is still running free. Never went to jail either. We are all just used and abused souls.
Interesting choice of words. And you are proof of exactly why it is so difficult to prosecute. So if you're indeed a graduate, how long have you been out?
Let me ask you this: was there anything negative about DRA at all, or was it all 100% positive. Did the program save your life? Would you do anything for it?
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the media has been all over it. There are many many articles about abduction, imprisonment (and torture and brainwashing) by the gulags you are emotionally enmeshed in, as cult disciples.
Guest posted one, others are easily accessible to anyone who can google
If there are many then posting one example of where a gulag kidnapped a child and the police tracked the kidnappers down and put them in jail. Out of the thousands you should be able to find one link to one article. Did they give the kidnappers the death sentence?
Just one article where the kidnappers were caught and sentenced... only 1 of the 1,000's that occur each year. How about an amber alert!!! or americas most wanted, one of these abductions would be sure to make it on one of those shows, hell, they feature 20 year olds who are lost in the woods they must have a few of these kidnappings on their show.
Just 1!!!
No the kidnapper was not put in jail. For whatever reasons, law enforement allows these "help" organizations to kidnap people, as you well know, john d.
So it is not against the law and you cannot produce one person who went to jail. Kidanpping is against the law, so this isnt kidnapping, no PhD or law degree needed for this one. Yet you have a tough time with this? Now based on your definitions what should we think when you say you were abused? forced to read, to do your homework? Why do you stretch the truth and definitions like this?
If it makes you feel any better I still see the person who use to drive the yellow vehicle that abducted me every morning and he is still running free. Never went to jail either. We are all just used and abused souls.
Nope kidnapping IS kidnapping. Whether the courts wish to judge kidnapping as a criminal matter or not is another manner. Forcing a person to work is slavery. The courts refused to recognize slavery as a crime for 100s of years, but that didn't make it any less slavery (or criminal for that matter.)
Meanwhile, civil suits from the victims of the people you represent for the crime of kidnapping and false imprisonment have been successful. You tend to settle these quietly, as you are cowards.
http://www.isaccorp.org/brightway/brigh ... 03.03.html (http://www.isaccorp.org/brightway/brightway-adolescent-hospital.03.03.03.html)
What will make me feel better is people like you rotting in prison. That day is fast approaching, murderer, mutilator, monster---no adjective is lowly enough to describe YOU.
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The school will work on these issues and Brendans tendencies towards lying will be addressed if this is an issue with him.
Oh you can be sure of that. By the time he's done with the program he won't dare say a single word against them...
Its always a good idea to keep the childs world as small as possible and not introduce too many outside influences early on.
Right. Milieu control (http://http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing19.html#Milieu%20Control).
apparently, she and b's dad have "homework" to do everyday and are held accountable by the therapists.
Yes. only "held accountable" holds an entirely different meaning in program. This is called loading the language (http://http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing19.html#Loading%20the%20Language).
b is also receiving therapy every day (so we are told) by the chief therapist (again, so we are told). this is not the norm as far as we can see. again, we think they are individualizing a bit because of our intense scrutiny.
If they mean "the critics will fucking rape us unless this kid is treated like royalty" then, yes. That would be accurate. But don't go overboard with him. I'm sure notice if he's given preferential treatment. He's as much a witness as a victim. Remember that.
This is a great idea. There are many people who have never heard of diamond Ranch before and this action could bring it to the forefront. If it works out well and this gets enough media attention they may want to interview the family.
Maybe they can interview the kid after he gets out. Remember Zack Stark who, after the ex-gay program which uses similar methods to DRA, suddenly claimed he was no longer gay. Amazing what you can do with a closed environment and thought reform! Hey. I have a better idea. Why don't we wait a few years and interview him then. I would bet money that just as Zack Stark is once again gay, this kid will also be quite a bit less confused.
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the media has been all over it. There are many many articles about abduction, imprisonment (and torture and brainwashing) by the gulags you are emotionally enmeshed in, as cult disciples.
Guest posted one, others are easily accessible to anyone who can google
If there are many then posting one example of where a gulag kidnapped a child and the police tracked the kidnappers down and put them in jail. Out of the thousands you should be able to find one link to one article. Did they give the kidnappers the death sentence?
Just one article where the kidnappers were caught and sentenced... only 1 of the 1,000's that occur each year. How about an amber alert!!! or americas most wanted, one of these abductions would be sure to make it on one of those shows, hell, they feature 20 year olds who are lost in the woods they must have a few of these kidnappings on their show.
Just 1!!!
No the kidnapper was not put in jail. For whatever reasons, law enforement allows these "help" organizations to kidnap people, as you well know, john d.
So it is not against the law and you cannot produce one person who went to jail. Kidanpping is against the law, so this isnt kidnapping, no PhD or law degree needed for this one. Yet you have a tough time with this? Now based on your definitions what should we think when you say you were abused? forced to read, to do your homework? Why do you stretch the truth and definitions like this?
If it makes you feel any better I still see the person who use to drive the yellow vehicle that abducted me every morning and he is still running free. Never went to jail either. We are all just used and abused souls.
Nope kidnapping IS kidnapping. Whether the courts wish to judge kidnapping as a criminal matter or not is another manner. Forcing a person to work is slavery. The courts refused to recognize slavery as a crime for 100s of years, but that didn't make it any less slavery (or criminal for that matter.)
Meanwhile, civil suits from the victims of the people you represent for the crime of kidnapping and false imprisonment have been successful. You tend to settle these quietly, as you are cowards.
http://www.isaccorp.org/brightway/brigh ... 03.03.html (http://www.isaccorp.org/brightway/brightway-adolescent-hospital.03.03.03.html)
What will make me feel better is people like you rotting in prison. That day is fast approaching, murderer, mutilator, monster---no adjective is lowly enough to describe YOU.
But until now, you cannot bring forth a single person who has been sent to prison for kidnapping......period!!!! The law is the law and you are wrong. Its not kidnapping, its not abuse, they are not gulags and the kids are not detainees. This is just a play you are in and have created for yourself. The rest of the world disagrees with you and 99% of the kids are helped by these programs and move on with their lives. You are stuck in neutral and have a closed mind...wake up!!!!
If you want to leave the country and try to peddle your private laws somewhere else that is fine but this is America. If a parent wants to ground their kid or force them to work, clean their room etc. then they are entitled to. you are just spoiled and want to sit back and let the rest of us support your lazy ass while you bitch because you havent had your day in court. Well get over it, get a job, raise some kids and join society instead of siting on the sidelines critisizing everyone else and creating drama for others to live with.
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the media has been all over it. There are many many articles about abduction, imprisonment (and torture and brainwashing) by the gulags you are emotionally enmeshed in, as cult disciples.
Guest posted one, others are easily accessible to anyone who can google
If there are many then posting one example of where a gulag kidnapped a child and the police tracked the kidnappers down and put them in jail. Out of the thousands you should be able to find one link to one article. Did they give the kidnappers the death sentence?
Just one article where the kidnappers were caught and sentenced... only 1 of the 1,000's that occur each year. How about an amber alert!!! or americas most wanted, one of these abductions would be sure to make it on one of those shows, hell, they feature 20 year olds who are lost in the woods they must have a few of these kidnappings on their show.
Just 1!!!
No the kidnapper was not put in jail. For whatever reasons, law enforement allows these "help" organizations to kidnap people, as you well know, john d.
So it is not against the law and you cannot produce one person who went to jail. Kidanpping is against the law, so this isnt kidnapping, no PhD or law degree needed for this one. Yet you have a tough time with this? Now based on your definitions what should we think when you say you were abused? forced to read, to do your homework? Why do you stretch the truth and definitions like this?
If it makes you feel any better I still see the person who use to drive the yellow vehicle that abducted me every morning and he is still running free. Never went to jail either. We are all just used and abused souls.
From the previously posted Time Magazine article, "Is This A Camp Or Jail? (http://http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,987718,00.html)":
David van Blarigan found another way to try to take back his freedom. When he got off the plane in Jamaica, the escort team from Tranquility Bay was late meeting him. That gave him time to call a friend and neighbor, Neil Aschemeyer, who is also an administrative-law judge. Aschemeyer got in touch with Robert Hutchins, head of the Alameda County district attorney's child-abduction unit. And Hutchins went to court to petition for David's release. For the moment, he isn't bringing criminal charges, but he regards the teenager's abduction as kidnapping. "When they sent this so-called escort service to pick up their boy, they took him against his will," Hutchins says. "That's kidnapping." Normally, a parent cannot kidnap his own child, but Hutchins argues that by giving Tranquility Bay the power to "restrain, control and detain" their son for a year, they effectively handed over custody of him, which, he says, California case law prohibits. Hutchins also contends that David's brief examination at Brightway was a sham and that his parents had already signed a yearlong contract with Tranquility Bay.[/list]
^^ For the benefit of our idiot guest, who cannot read
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^^ For the benefit of our idiot guest, who cannot read
We have all read the words, but the police, law enforcement and the courts disagree with you. They found the child was not kidnapped. The parents had the child transported to a school where he will receive help.
If a child doesnt want to go to school and the parent picks the child up and takes him to highschool is this kidnapping? Do these bus drivers end up in court if the kid says he wants to go home and the bus doesnt turn around? Do you have pictures or news articles of bus drivers being handcuffed and hauled away? Do these parents end up in jail? Where are all the news reports and arrests. where is your evidence?
Why do you still keep missing the point that you are the only one that views the world this way.
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We have all read the words, but the police, law enforcement and the courts disagree with you. They found the child was not kidnapped.
Really? Was a police report filed? How convenient Brendan is not around to do so and his parents will not cooperate as they were complicit in the crime. If I recall correctly there was a kid who sucessfully sued his parents on this basis. Frankly, I hope Brendan does the same, and I hope he includes the escort service and DRA on the list of plaintiffs. What lawyer will represent him? I know a good few. Ones who practice in Utah too.
The parents had the child transported to a school where he will receive help.
"Help" which according to his friends he did not need. Help he was not diagnosed for, and a "need" which was entirely subjectively decided by people who did not have the authority or expertise to do so.
Maybe the next rapist child abductor can simply argue that he was running a therapeutic program and the child needed "help". Only difference there is the parents wouldn't approve. What you're arguing is that kids are property without free will and whose parents have the right to permanently modify their consciousness, their very thinking, their very soul, to fit their subjective image of what is good and true. What goes on in your average program is not "help". It's not "therapy". It's thought reform.
If a child doesnt want to go to school and the parent picks the child up and takes him to highschool is this kidnapping?
And if a child is being abused at home and the parents want to cover their asses they can send him to a program where he won't be allowed to leave until he not just says, but believes, that his parents were wonderful people... and that's ok with you. Does it happen? Sure. I've seen it happen, personally.
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^^ For the benefit of our idiot guest, who cannot read
We have all read the words, but the police, law enforcement and the courts disagree with you. They found the child was not kidnapped. The parents had the child transported to a school where he will receive help.
If a child doesnt want to go to school and the parent picks the child up and takes him to highschool is this kidnapping? Do these bus drivers end up in court if the kid says he wants to go home and the bus doesnt turn around? Do you have pictures or news articles of bus drivers being handcuffed and hauled away? Do these parents end up in jail? Where are all the news reports and arrests. where is your evidence?
Why do you still keep missing the point that you are the only one that views the world this way.
I think readers should take note of this industry (john d reuben) troll's dishonesty. He knew the troubled teen industry kidnaps their victims yet pretended they don't.
If there weren't tons of media easily available through google about the subject, he'd be denying it, still--not just through inferences implied though ridiculous analogies, but bald faced lies.
remember the duplicity of this industry as indicated through its representatives John D reuben (whose kid killed himself after kidnap and imprisonment at academy at swift river and SUWS wilderness). Remember what their word, their promises are worth.
By the way, the prosecutor quoted considered kidnap, kidnap, as did the judges who allowed the suits of victims by aspen wwasp et al to come to court.
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I think readers should take note of this industry (john d reuben) troll's dishonesty. He knew the troubled teen industry kidnaps their victims yet pretended they don't.
I have been reading along and this Reuben guy, guest,, if that is who it is, has given you amble opportunity to provide evidence and no one was able to show anyone has ever gone to jail for these thousands of kidnappings as you call them.
You really should not be attacking him for asking the hard questions. There just isn’t any evidence. Anyone knows if someone is kidnapped then they chase the car down the street on foot if they can, get a license plate number and then call 911. This shit will hit the media like a shit storm within an hour, guaranteed. Yet you cannot make even one reference to an arrest or person going to jail. All of us reading know no one was kidnapped or detained against their will anywhere. You live in a dream world and have missed your medication for the day.
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I think readers should take note of this industry (john d reuben) troll's dishonesty. He knew the troubled teen industry kidnaps their victims yet pretended they don't.
I have been reading along and this Reuben guy, guest,, if that is who it is, has given you amble opportunity to provide evidence and no one was able to show anyone has ever gone to jail for these thousands of kidnappings as you call them.
You really should not be attacking him for asking the hard questions. There just isn’t any evidence. Anyone knows if someone is kidnapped then they chase the car down the street on foot if they can, get a license plate number and then call 911. This shit will hit the media like a shit storm within an hour, guaranteed. Yet you cannot make even one reference to an arrest or person going to jail. All of us reading know no one was kidnapped or detained against their will anywhere. You live in a dream world and have missed your medication for the day.
To your sociopath brain, "reality" does not constitute evidence. Keep molesting and torturing kids. Your end is near. Maybe it will come through someone by the name of 'Brandon.' We know how afraid you are of him. As well you should be.
San Francisco Examiner Bay "kidnap' case pits parents vs. teen
San Francisco Examiner
January 6, 1998
Originally printed by the Hearst Examiner
He was asleep in his bunk bed when the two men knocked on the door in the middle of the night and took him away against his will.
The men were hired by his parents to take him - by force, if necessary - from his Oakland home to a Utah hospital for troubled teenagers. From there, 16-year-old David Van Blarigan was taken to a behavior-modification "boarding school" in Jamaica, where he's not allowed to leave the grounds or even call his parents.
To his parents, the men were professional "escorts," not abductors, and their decision to have David taken away against his will was within their rights as parents to do what they felt best for their child.
But to the Alameda County district attorney it was kidnapping.
And David's unwilling enrollment in the Jamaican facility, Tranquility Bay, is unlawful imprisonment that violates his individual right to freedom.
On Wednesday, a Superior Court judge in Oakland will hold a hearing on the prosecutor's petition to have David returned to Oakland and placed under the court's protective custody.
At issue in the case are the rights of parents vs. the rights of minors.
The case has drawn national attention. Not only is the tale of David's post-midnight removal from his home dramatic, but the judge's decision in this unprecedented case can impact the burgeoning industry of "teen help" centers like Tranquility Bay.
Many, like the Van Blarigans, hire professional escorts to take their children to the centers because they know that the children would not go with their parents voluntarily, said Koller. Koller hired escorts to take his son. So did Fontaine, for her daughter.
The Van Blarigans don't deny that David was taken against his will, said Koller.
But the Van Blarigans felt they had no other choice, he said. Koller declined to state what David's behavioral problems were, but said they were not drug- or alcohol-related.
David, who was a student at Skyline High School in Oakland and has a younger brother, Timmy, 13, came to the attention of the courts when he placed a collect phone call from the Jamaica airport to his next-door neighbor, Neil Aschemeyer, an administrative law judge. Aschemeyer then contacted Oakland police.
According to court documents filed by the prosecutor, Deputy District Attorney Robert Hutchins, David called Aschemeyer on Nov. 23. David said he was able to make the call because the personnel from Tranquility Bay were late in meeting him at the airport.
David told Aschemeyer that he was asleep in his bedroom on Nov. 10 when he was awakened at 12:30 a.m. by his parents. In the room were "two burly men," David told Aschemeyer.
His parents told David that the men were going to take him away "because he was unhappy at home." David's protests were to no avail.
The men, from Youth Transport Service of Ogden, Utah, then escorted David to a four-door sedan they picked up at the Oakland Airport after arriving the night before from Salt Lake City, said Koller.
Once inside the car, David told Aschemeyer, he was placed in a locked seat similar to a child's seat. When he asked the escorts "why they didn't get a real job instead of kidnapping children," the escorts threatened to handcuff him, David said.
At the Brightway Adolescent Hospital in St. George, Utah, 700 miles away, David said that teenagers "were not permitted to talk back to hospital personnel."
"If they did, several members of the staff would jump on the minor and knock the minor to the floor. Then they would pile on the individual," according to the petition.
Unruly teenagers would also be given a hypodermic needle injection and locked in a room alone, the document added.
David ended his conversation with Aschemeyer by stating that "he felt as if he was in prison."
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I think readers should take note of this industry (john d reuben) troll's dishonesty. He knew the troubled teen industry kidnaps their victims yet pretended they don't.
I have been reading along and this Reuben guy, guest,, if that is who it is, has given you amble opportunity to provide evidence and no one was able to show anyone has ever gone to jail for these thousands of kidnappings as you call them.
And that's not being debated. You're obfuscating the issue. Just because people haven't been caught and the system set up is clever doesn't mean laws are not being violated.
Anyone knows if someone is kidnapped then they chase the car down the street on foot if they can, get a license plate number and then call 911.
And the police contact either the victim or the parent, both of which are "taken care of" in this situation. No wonder nobody's been arrested. It's going to take a kid getting the attention of passers by of flagging down cops in the process to stop this practice...
This shit will hit the media like a shit storm within an hour, guaranteed.
No it won't, because it's a teenager who is alleged to be "troubled" which is on par with "nigger" in 1800's deep south.
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Not really sure why I'm arguing with the trolls, but anyway here it goes...
I have been privy to some ambiguous situations where there are two sides to a story, and it's not totally clear what the situation is. Putting aside the fact that youth are given no due process and forcefully abducted in the middle of the night.
Brandon is different. He has the principal of his school, the family he has stayed with for the last four months, and his entire student body supporting his freedom. If you want to continue spewing your garbage go ahead. If you can say this about him, then you have no credibility when it comes to anyone else, not that you had any in the past.
His community is not particularly anti-residential treatment either, at least based on their statements so far. Ok for some, but not for him.
So whoever you are, a fair warning to you to stop now, before you end up digging yourself deeper into a hole, proving just how much of a sociopath you really are.
Until then, Bring Brendan Home.
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No it won't, because it's a teenager who is alleged to be "troubled" which is on par with "nigger" in 1800's deep south.
The kid is a nigger? Do they serve watermelon and fried chicken?
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http://www.heal-online.org/HR911problems.pdf (http://www.heal-online.org/HR911problems.pdf)
Shannan Wilber, staff attorney with the Youth Law Center, has worked to
put in place regulations to protect children from extra-legal kidnapping and
the practices of the escort/transport industry in California.(6) Prosecutors
have repeatedly stated that these escorts are guilty of kidnapping. However,
children are unaware or unwilling to prosecute their parents in conjunction
with the services and parents are too embarrassed, ashamed, or unwilling to be
inconvenienced, to take legal action for themselves and their children when
victimized by this industry.
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http://www.heal-online.org/HR911problems.pdf
Shannan Wilber, staff attorney with the Youth Law Center, has worked to
put in place regulations to protect children from extra-legal kidnapping and
the practices of the escort/transport industry in California.(6) Prosecutors
have repeatedly stated that these escorts are guilty of kidnapping. However,
children are unaware or unwilling to prosecute their parents in conjunction
with the services and parents are too embarrassed, ashamed, or unwilling to be
inconvenienced, to take legal action for themselves and their children when
victimized by this industry.
Do you have any evidence besides fornits and other anti program sites? Anything legal? or fact based? Anyone could have written that crap. It doesnt matter if kids are willing to sue their parents or not. It is either legal or it isnt.
today it is legal and it is not kidnapping.
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http://www.heal-online.org/HR911problems.pdf
Shannan Wilber, staff attorney with the Youth Law Center, has worked to
put in place regulations to protect children from extra-legal kidnapping and
the practices of the escort/transport industry in California.(6) Prosecutors
have repeatedly stated that these escorts are guilty of kidnapping. However,
children are unaware or unwilling to prosecute their parents in conjunction
with the services and parents are too embarrassed, ashamed, or unwilling to be
inconvenienced, to take legal action for themselves and their children when
victimized by this industry.
Do you have any evidence besides fornits and other anti program sites? Anything legal? or fact based? Anyone could have written that crap. It doesnt matter if kids are willing to sue their parents or not. It is either legal or it isnt.
today it is legal and it is not kidnapping.
Poor child molester, your eye site limitations allow you to seenothing but the possible pain you can inflict on your victims. You went and missed the articles referenced by heal, and the articles posted on this site. We know you're dumb, too dumb to ever get a real job, so dumb all youre only capable of kidnapping and torturing kids for bucks, but try to pretend some capacity of thought. People are reading!
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http://www.heal-online.org/HR911problems.pdf
Shannan Wilber, staff attorney with the Youth Law Center, has worked to
put in place regulations to protect children from extra-legal kidnapping and
the practices of the escort/transport industry in California.(6) Prosecutors
have repeatedly stated that these escorts are guilty of kidnapping. However,
children are unaware or unwilling to prosecute their parents in conjunction
with the services and parents are too embarrassed, ashamed, or unwilling to be
inconvenienced, to take legal action for themselves and their children when
victimized by this industry.
Do you have any evidence besides fornits and other anti program sites? Anything legal? or fact based? Anyone could have written that crap. It doesnt matter if kids are willing to sue their parents or not. It is either legal or it isnt.
today it is legal and it is not kidnapping.
Poor child molester, your eye site limitations allow you to seenothing but the possible pain you can inflict on your victims. You went and missed the articles referenced by heal, and the articles posted on this site. We know you're dumb, too dumb to ever get a real job, so dumb all youre only capable of kidnapping and torturing kids for bucks, but try to pretend some capacity of thought. People are reading!
As far as asking for proof outside these web sites, I'll take that as you have no evidence. I knew this, but justed wanted you to post it. We can move on.
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Sure. Time magazine, the plethora of other media, sworn testimony, lawsuits, judgments, and prosecutors are "a website." Anyone who can read knows better, so chances are you're trying to convince yourself. You're pretty good at that. Youre from DRA, right? When Brenden gets out, chances are he's gonna take a chunk of you with him. Have fun. Maybe him and the victims who lent their testimony to HEAL, a non profit org started by survivors of groups like yours, will file class action. better than you deserve, murderer. Youve already called them begging them to remove their testimony. COWARD and a child abuser.
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What I was looking for was some real evidence outside of these web sites which shows just one person going to jail for kidnapping. I dont want iacoca or HEAL boy, I wanted something seriously lacking here which is evidence. The courts convicting some guy, the police handcuffing and dragging them out of the car with the kid running to John Walsh as they track down the killers. You know real life stuff. Something legal, guess not.
If I were to respond on your level I would have said this:
What I was looking for, Druggie, was some real evidence outside of these web sites, slut, which shows just one person going to jail for kidnapping, you fucking pinhead. I dont want iacoca or HEAL boy or anyone else you are in bed with, I wanted something seriously lacking here which is evidence, rape bait. The courts convicting some guy, the police handcuffing and dragging them out of the car with the kid running to John Walsh as they track down the killers. You know real life stuff, you program cast off lying scum... whats that on your face “Got Milk?”
But I like to be nice.
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From the previously posted Time Magazine article, "Is This A Camp Or Jail? (http://http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,987718,00.html)":
David van Blarigan found another way to try to take back his freedom. When he got off the plane in Jamaica, the escort team from Tranquility Bay was late meeting him. That gave him time to call a friend and neighbor, Neil Aschemeyer, who is also an administrative-law judge. Aschemeyer got in touch with Robert Hutchins, head of the Alameda County district attorney's child-abduction unit. And Hutchins went to court to petition for David's release. For the moment, he isn't bringing criminal charges, but he regards the teenager's abduction as kidnapping. "When they sent this so-called escort service to pick up their boy, they took him against his will," Hutchins says. "That's kidnapping." .[/list]
Dimwit child molester, one of the myriad of articles corroborating abduction by gulags was from TIME MAGAZINE. Is Time magazine a website, murdering moron?
Quoted was Robert Hutchins, head of the Alameda County district attorney's child-abduction unit. Is Robert Hutchin a website, sexually abusive, mental midget?
It’s been underlined and bolded for you twice. Your continued insistance there is nothing available on gulag abduction other than "websites" corroborates your deceitfulness, or your propensity of self delusion as to suit your personal preferences.
"Rape Bait." Interesting term. Here’s a quote from one of your victims
http://www.heal-online.org/diamond.htm (http://www.heal-online.org/diamond.htm)
This is where Ricky Dias could make you run up and down a field for 3 hours in the scorching hot sun with no water. I remember Ricky Dias yelling at a girl for not getting out of the shower on time the night before. He told this girl that if it happened again tonight he would: "Rip her out of the shower by her hair naked."
Are you Ricky Dias ?
I have seen a male physically restrain a girl while she screamed for him to get off her and started crying from the amount of force he applied to the restraint. WHERE WAS THE FEMALE STAFF HMM? Sounds FOXY to me.
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What I was looking for, Druggie, was some real evidence outside of these web sites, slut, which shows just one person going to jail for kidnapping, you fucking pinhead. I dont want iacoca or HEAL boy or anyone else you are in bed with, I wanted something seriously lacking here which is evidence, rape bait.
Wow. Can't imagine what could be the wonderful place you learned to use such language; such prejudice.
But that's besides the point. You're obfuscating the issue. Just because people haven't been caught and the system set up is clever doesn't mean laws are not being violated. What happened to Brendan was kidnapping. That's my opinion. And it's also my opinion that a court of law would see it that way.
Gotta say your program really fucked up this time. Like blombro said "He has the principal of his school, the family he has stayed with for the last four months, and his entire student body supporting his freedom." It's going to be hard justifying his "needed" such treatment. There are over 1500 people lining up to testify to his character. and don't expect coerced confessions written while under duress are going to fly in court. Besides the point that it's irrelevant and probably heresay... committing a crime is committing a crime. Only thing that would do is make it look like your program doesn't care about the privacy of their patients... i mean students.
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he regards the teenager's abduction as kidnapping. "When they sent this so-called escort service to pick up their boy, they took him against his will," Hutchins says. "That's kidnapping." .
So you found someone who regards it as kidnapping. But again it isn’t kidnapping. I regard it as escort. The courts regard it as escort. The law is on the side of the school, parents and the court system. They petitioned the court and the court regards it as an escort service.
Quick question, what happened when the police were called right after the kidnapping? Did they dispatch helicopters, fire shots, call for an amber alert? When they found out it was an escort service did they place these people in custody so that they could never do it again?
Can you see the difference? If someone goes into your bedroom and rapes you and then that person finds a few people on fornits to say it was consensual then does that mean he doesnt have to go to jail? or should we wait and see what the court system has to say?
You have to look at the bigger picture and reference the laws a little more.
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Wow. Can't imagine what could be the wonderful place you learned to use such language; such prejudice.
Fornits, where else? That was my point.
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Have you gone to the police about Brendan's kidnap? What did the police say they would do? Will they arrest his kidnappers?
Really, what did they say? (im not a troll--just a person who does not understand how the police do NOTHING on behalf of victims of these criminal organizations)
30 years ago a kid fleeing from The Seed or Straight, Inc. couldn't go to the police. The police would take the kid back to the program simply writing off all that they said as lies. The police didn't know they were participating in abuse. They actually believed that we all were dirty rotten druggies and liars and that the cult was an actual drug rehab which was trying to help us. All these years later, after all the investigations, lawsuits and journalism, now the world pretty much knows that we weren't making things up. But at the time?
"... a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason. "
There probably never will be massive numbers of criminal charges. Not any more than there were massive numbers of prosecutions for things like unnecessary frontal lobotomies or other quack medical practices or Jim Crow. Only the few worst, most outrageous abusers are prosecuted, making an example for the rest of our broad community until such practices go the way of Jim Crow.
Thayer is one such example http://www.closethayerlearningcenter.co ... oreyes.asp (http://www.closethayerlearningcenter.com/robertoreyes.asp)
Charles Long III is another http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Long_(ABSRA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Long_(ABSRA))
There will be more to come, I'm quite sure.
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Do you have any evidence besides fornits and other anti program sites? Anything legal? or fact based? Anyone could have written that crap. It doesnt matter if kids are willing to sue their parents or not. It is either legal or it isnt.
There are 3 versions of Bill Number H.R.911 for the 111th Congress
1 . Stop Child Abuse in Residential Programs for Teens Act of 2009 (Introduced in House)[H.R.911.IH]
2 . Stop Child Abuse in Residential Programs for Teens Act of 2009 (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)[H.R.911.EH]
3 . Stop Child Abuse in Residential Programs for Teens Act of 2009 (Referred to Senate Committee after being Received from House)[H.R.911.RFS]
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D ... z::|/bss/| (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d111:6:./temp/~bdEcLz::|/bss/|)
January 27, 2009
Gene L. Dodaro
Acting Comptroller General
U.S. Government Accountability Office
441 G Street, N.W.
Washington, DC 20548
Dear Mr. Dodaro:
I write to request that the Government Accountability Office (GAO) Forensic Audits and Special Investigations Unit (FSI) further investigate recent reports of neglect and abuse of children in our nation’s schools.
Over the last several years, GAO ably fulfilled my requests that it review and investigate the alarming number of deaths and incidences of abuse of youth enrolled in private residential treatment programs geared toward treating troubled teens. Among other things, the investigative work highlighted cases where staff at some programs employed unsafe restraint techniques that lead to death in some of those cases. In part because of these revelations, the House passed the Stop Child Abuse in Residential Programs for Teens Act of 2008, H.R. 6358 (110th Congr.) on June 25, 2008.
Unfortunately, vulnerable children and teens are being abused all too often in other contexts. Just this month, the National Disability Rights Network released a troubling report entitled School is Not Supposed to Hurt in which the authors described instances of death and abuse of children and youth in public and private schools across the United States. The report focused on seclusion and restraint techniques and detailed dozens of occurrences of students being abusively pinned to the floor, handcuffed, locked in closets, and subjected to other traumatizing acts of violence. In some of the cases, the abuse resulted in death.
To assist in the Committee’s ongoing efforts to help protect our children, I specifically request that FSI investigate the use of restraint, seclusion, and harmful aversive handling of children and youth in private and public schools.
Sincerely,
George Miller
Chairman
cc: Senior Republican Member Howard “Buck” McKeon
http://edlabor.house.gov/newsroom/2009/ ... o-in.shtml (http://edlabor.house.gov/newsroom/2009/01/chairman-miller-asks-gao-to-in.shtml)
Better?
today it is legal and it is not kidnapping.
Once it was legal to "own" another human being. By own, I mean own. You could fuck them, force them to breed against their will, beat them, starve them and humiliate them in any way you so chose. When one of these people escaped it was illegal to give them food, lodging or any other kind of help. Hell, in many places, even if you legally "owned" a person it was illegal to allow them to learn how to read. This tragic state of affairs persisted for hundreds of years, even almost a century after the American Revolution.
Even more recently in many places a wife could not bring rape charges against her husband. It was effectively "legal" for a man to rape his wife.
So, troll, do you support the slavery of Africans and wives as well as that of minors? Why don't you start a campaign to restore legal slavery and reverse women's suffrage?
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No it won't, because it's a teenager who is alleged to be "troubled" which is on par with "nigger" in 1800's deep south.
Standard fornits operating procedure. You question their fables of abuse, and they throw out the slavery red herring fallacy.
Dont they realize that comparing teen programs to slavery they continue to discredit themselves?
Just wait..
If you're lucky you might get to hear the holocaust comparison today!
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Fornits motto: All troubled teens were treated like the Jews in Adolf Hitlers concentration camps.
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Dont they realize that comparing teen programs to slavery they continue to discredit themselves?
Noun
* S: (n) slave (a person who is owned by someone)
* S: (n) slave, striver, hard worker (someone who works as hard as a slave)
* S: (n) slave (someone entirely dominated by some influence or person) "a slave to fashion"; "a slave to cocaine"; "his mother was his abject slave"
First definition: No one is denying that "escort" services take kids by force and against their will. No one is denying that, once in a program, the kid has NO rights whatsoever; not the right to proper nutrition, sleep, privacy, social contact or other basic needs. No one is denying that these kids are treated as property. You just keep pretending that that's ok. I think you're just so cloistered in cult thinking that you can no longer see that this is patently wrong. One might accurately say that you're a slave to the ToughLove hategroup philosophy. (third definition)
Just wait..
If you're lucky you might get to hear the holocaust comparison today!
No, not yet, probably never. But there certainly is a very Nazi-like influence in the ToughLove hategroup. But we've got ya handled. I don't think you'll be able to pull off what Hitler and his associates did. Sorry.
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Fist definition: No one is denying that "escort" services take kids by force and against their will. No one is denying that, once in a program, the kid has NO rights whatsoever; not the right to proper nutrition, sleep, privacy, social contact or other basic needs.
No one is disputing this at all. If a child is underage then they need to go where their parents tell them to. Everything is done by force they have no rights and are told what to eat, when to sleep who they can play with etc...... If they go on a field trip then the parents sign over these rights to the teacher, summer camp, same thing... if they go to a program parents sign over these rights to them.
The child has no say in this country until the age of consent determined by the state. This is not the fault of the programs or the parents. If you want it changed then you need to get out and vote.
If Brendan wanted out he could have gotten emancipated, but he didn’t. Why do you blame the parents and the school for all of this, why not review the laws and try to get them changed. We all have to live within their boundaries not just Brendon and yourself.
No one is denying that these kids are treated as property. You just keep pretending that that's ok. I think you're just so cloistered in cult thinking that you can no longer see that this is patently wrong.
Kids may seem like property because if they are not taken care of properly then the parents could go to jail. The parents are responsible (not the kids themselves)
Family life may be a little cultish at times and that isn’t a bad thing, you see this as abnormal maybe because your family wasn’t close but this type of family structure has been effective for many generations.
One might accurately say that you're a slave to the ToughLove hategroup philosophy. (third definition)
If you took a few steps out of fornits and read some of the tough love forums or any forum at random and then compare the dialog to fornits you would quickly get a notion of which forum is hateful (you should know this most of all).
I think you feel the hatred here as well and quickly pinned the label to someone else in an effort to clean yourself up a little. (or at least appear to be cleaner on the surface)
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I have just read everything posted under "Send Postcards to Brendan". Brendan does have a last name, Spelman, and lives in Gainesville, Florida. He is/was a student at my private school for 9th, 10th, 11th and 1 week of his senior year. In April, because of a deteriorating home life, my husband and I were asked to provide our home for Brendan to live. He lived with us until the end of the school year. My take on the negative, personal attacks on Brendan's character, is that since you don't know him, you are having "fun" at his expense. He was not kidnapped, his parents paid for an escort service to pick him up without informing him. He CAN not walk away- can't figure out where that comes from. DRA? He was picked up in the parking lot of his psychiatrist, his aunt was driving him there, without her (both the aunt and the psychiatrist) knowledge either. When the psychiatrist asked the mother, who showed up to make sure Brendan was picked up, why she had not discussed this decision with her, Brendan's mother said "I am not here to explain myself." Then his mother walked out of the psychiatrist's office. The only reason we can come up with, for this behavior on the parents part, is their need to have complete control over Brendan and remove him from the family who provided him with a safe place to live and thrive ( at all times his parents knew where he was, and Brendan kept in constant contact with his aunt: how do I know, I was there). They had been unsuccessful trying to get him to return home or live with any family members. His treatment at home was very abusive, both verbally and mentally. We became aware of this while he was living with us, and several parents (including his family members) have come forth to substantiate the parental abuse. I filed a report of child abuse with DCF in both Utah and Florida. Florida will/can not do anything because Brendan is in Utah. Utah will/can not do anything because the abuse took place in Florida. I have not exhausted my legal options yet. Hopefully, this will clear up some of the misinformation about Brendan and his situation.
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Blew it in the last 2 sentences.
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I have just read everything posted under "Send Postcards to Brendan". Brendan does have a last name, Spelman, and lives in Gainesville, Florida. He is/was a student at my private school for 9th, 10th, 11th and 1 week of his senior year. In April, because of a deteriorating home life, my husband and I were asked to provide our home for Brendan to live. He lived with us until the end of the school year. My take on the negative, personal attacks on Brendan's character, is that since you don't know him, you are having "fun" at his expense. He was not kidnapped, his parents paid for an escort service to pick him up without informing him. He CAN not walk away- can't figure out where that comes from. DRA? He was picked up in the parking lot of his psychiatrist, his aunt was driving him there, without her (both the aunt and the psychiatrist) knowledge either. When the psychiatrist asked the mother, who showed up to make sure Brendan was picked up, why she had not discussed this decision with her, Brendan's mother said "I am not here to explain myself." Then his mother walked out of the psychiatrist's office. The only reason we can come up with, for this behavior on the parents part, is their need to have complete control over Brendan and remove him from the family who provided him with a safe place to live and thrive ( at all times his parents knew where he was, and Brendan kept in constant contact with his aunt: how do I know, I was there). They had been unsuccessful trying to get him to return home or live with any family members. His treatment at home was very abusive, both verbally and mentally. We became aware of this while he was living with us, and several parents (including his family members) have come forth to substantiate the parental abuse. I filed a report of child abuse with DCF in both Utah and Florida. Florida will/can not do anything because Brendan is in Utah. Utah will/can not do anything because the abuse took place in Florida. I have not exhausted my legal options yet. Hopefully, this will clear up some of the misinformation about Brendan and his situation.
Thank you Twiggins for giving us a candid update and clearing up the story about Brendon. I have a few questions:
Are you one of his teachers? And who asked you to take Brendon in to live with you? Is this a private school that you and your husband run yourself? Do you have any contact with Brendon’s parents?
I am glad that you cleared up that he wasn’t kidnapped. The stories take on an animation of their own here on fornits and escalate into kids being water boarded, placed in isolation and abused at DRA and various other schools and programs, being called detainees, prisons and gulags. Almost like a Dungeons and dragons appeal. So sifting through the posts to find the truth can be a challenge sometimes as you have just experienced.
I hope you can return again and keep us updated.
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I have just read everything posted under "Send Postcards to Brendan". Brendan does have a last name, Spelman, and lives in Gainesville, Florida. He is/was a student at my private school for 9th, 10th, 11th and 1 week of his senior year. In April, because of a deteriorating home life, my husband and I were asked to provide our home for Brendan to live. He lived with us until the end of the school year. My take on the negative, personal attacks on Brendan's character, is that since you don't know him, you are having "fun" at his expense. He was not kidnapped, his parents paid for an escort service to pick him up without informing him. He CAN not walk away- can't figure out where that comes from. DRA? He was picked up in the parking lot of his psychiatrist, his aunt was driving him there, without her (both the aunt and the psychiatrist) knowledge either. When the psychiatrist asked the mother, who showed up to make sure Brendan was picked up, why she had not discussed this decision with her, Brendan's mother said "I am not here to explain myself." Then his mother walked out of the psychiatrist's office. The only reason we can come up with, for this behavior on the parents part, is their need to have complete control over Brendan and remove him from the family who provided him with a safe place to live and thrive ( at all times his parents knew where he was, and Brendan kept in constant contact with his aunt: how do I know, I was there). They had been unsuccessful trying to get him to return home or live with any family members. His treatment at home was very abusive, both verbally and mentally. We became aware of this while he was living with us, and several parents (including his family members) have come forth to substantiate the parental abuse. I filed a report of child abuse with DCF in both Utah and Florida. Florida will/can not do anything because Brendan is in Utah. Utah will/can not do anything because the abuse took place in Florida. I have not exhausted my legal options yet. Hopefully, this will clear up some of the misinformation about Brendan and his situation.
Thanks very much for weighing in, Twiggins!
My guess is that the "negative, personal attacks on Brendan's character" come from trolls who, no surprise, probably do not even know Brendan nor care about his personal situation, but are merely using it to flame the forum for their own purposes.
And, FWIW, being transported to a program via a teen escort service against one's will is often referred to as "kidnapping" here. Whether you agree with that word usage or not, I imagine from the kid's standpoint it certainly feels like one is being kidnapped.
All in all, Brendan's situation sounds like a real Catch-22, with both Florida and Utah absconding their responsibility to act on filed child abuse reports given the relevant involvement of the other. Perhaps, in addition to exploring more legal options, some additional publicity might assist in getting more people aware of the outrageousness of it all, and put some more heat on folks in the right places...
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A Few more definitions for those that are new here:
Transportation to a program = Kidnapping
Boarding school = Gulag
Student = Detainee
Staff = Guards
Solo study, detention = Isolation
Vegetables (or anything on the bottom half of the pyramid) = Starvation Diet
Structured activities = abuse
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A Few more definitions for those that are new here:
Transportation to a program = Kidnapping
Boarding school = Gulag
Student = Detainee
Staff = Guards
Solo study, detention = Isolation
Vegetables (or anything on the bottom half of the pyramid) = Starvation Diet
Structured activities = abuse
LOL. Funny how survivors of abduction, imprisonment, brainwashing and torture prefer the words that describe their experience over the euphemisms favored by the cultists, like John D Reuben ("whooter").
JD, if you responded to reality instead of its Bizzaro mirror opposite, maybe you'd have responded appropriately, and your son wouldn't have killed himself.
More testimony about "having to eat vegetables":
http://www.isaccorp.org/ (http://www.isaccorp.org/)
http://cafety.youthrights.org/wiki/inde ... _Testimony (http://cafety.youthrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Submit_Your_Testimony)
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... s1011.html (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/1011campdeaths1011.html)
http://www.heal-online.org/childtortureusa.htm (http://www.heal-online.org/childtortureusa.htm)
Video of testimony of a U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Education and Labor hearing concerning child abuse in "residential care"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUtUiDDM ... re=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUtUiDDMUl4&feature=channel)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr47O5OjC_A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr47O5OjC_A)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzUnCOlh ... re=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzUnCOlhCAI&feature=channel)
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08146t.pdf (http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08146t.pdf)
"we don't know the full extent of deaths in private residential care because there are no laws forcing accurate reportage the number of adverse events is likely to more widespread than reported for a number of reasons. For example, state officials say they lack the authority to collect data or investigate private facilities that do not receive govt funds..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzUnCOlh ... re=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzUnCOlhCAI&feature=channel)
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Ursus: Utah, act on filed child abuse reports? You're even funnier than the trolls today.
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"we don't know the full extent of deaths in private residential care because there are no laws forcing accurate reportage the number of adverse events is likely to more widespread than reported for a number of reasons. For example, state officials say they lack the authority to collect data or investigate private facilities that do not receive govt funds..."
Another example is above: I like the use of youtube and lack of information as firm evidence LOL.
So it is just as likely that it is less widespread Since we dont know and it isnt reported LOL.... that is just too funny!!!
Good thing you are not a lawyer!! LOL
This must be RB
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LOL. That’s the Director of GAO’s education workforce and income security and child services saying that there are likely to be WAY more deaths in “residential programs” than have been identified, but if that’s the spin you want to put on it go ahead.
Again, maybe if you were more interested in reality than in spin, John D reuben, your son would not have killed himself.
Instead you imprisoned him in SUWS wilderness and Academy at Swift River, and then killed himself. Your son is dead because of you. Whoops!
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Thanks I left a few out:
Brainwashing = high school
Torture = no iPod or texting
Survivors = those who failed to finish or never applied themselves.
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I have just read everything posted under "Send Postcards to Brendan". Brendan does have a last name, Spelman, and lives in Gainesville, Florida. He is/was a student at my private school for 9th, 10th, 11th and 1 week of his senior year. In April, because of a deteriorating home life, my husband and I were asked to provide our home for Brendan to live. He lived with us until the end of the school year. My take on the negative, personal attacks on Brendan's character, is that since you don't know him, you are having "fun" at his expense. He was not kidnapped, his parents paid for an escort service to pick him up without informing him. He CAN not walk away- can't figure out where that comes from. DRA? He was picked up in the parking lot of his psychiatrist, his aunt was driving him there, without her (both the aunt and the psychiatrist) knowledge either. When the psychiatrist asked the mother, who showed up to make sure Brendan was picked up, why she had not discussed this decision with her, Brendan's mother said "I am not here to explain myself." Then his mother walked out of the psychiatrist's office. The only reason we can come up with, for this behavior on the parents part, is their need to have complete control over Brendan and remove him from the family who provided him with a safe place to live and thrive ( at all times his parents knew where he was, and Brendan kept in constant contact with his aunt: how do I know, I was there). They had been unsuccessful trying to get him to return home or live with any family members. His treatment at home was very abusive, both verbally and mentally. We became aware of this while he was living with us, and several parents (including his family members) have come forth to substantiate the parental abuse. I filed a report of child abuse with DCF in both Utah and Florida. Florida will/can not do anything because Brendan is in Utah. Utah will/can not do anything because the abuse took place in Florida. I have not exhausted my legal options yet. Hopefully, this will clear up some of the misinformation about Brendan and his situation.
Thank you Twiggins for giving us a candid update and clearing up the story about Brendon. I have a few questions:
Are you one of his teachers? And who asked you to take Brendon in to live with you? Is this a private school that you and your husband run yourself? Do you have any contact with Brendon’s parents?
I am glad that you cleared up that he wasn’t kidnapped. The stories take on an animation of their own here on fornits and escalate into kids being water boarded, placed in isolation and abused at DRA and various other schools and programs, being called detainees, prisons and gulags. Almost like a Dungeons and dragons appeal. So sifting through the posts to find the truth can be a challenge sometimes as you have just experienced.
I hope you can return again and keep us updated.
No, I am one of the administer. My husband has taught Brendan, and he is the high school counselor, so he has worked with Brendan and his parents in this roll. When my husband became aware of issues in Brendan's family life he offered to let Brendan stay with us for a cool off period. His mother spoke to her therapist about this offer, and she called me and said the therapist thought that our home was the best for him, not his grandmother or aunt. I don't really understand how the therapist could/would recommend us, but Brendan's mother told me she did. I told her that we would gladly help out- we have had quite a few students (all teenagers) stay with us from time to time. His aunt drove him over to our house. The private school was started by four of us in 1993 (my husband, myself, 2 long-time friends). My husband has been in the education field for 37 years- public system for 22 and then our school. He is also an adjunct professor at the University of Florida in the College of Eduction. We remained in contact with his mother while he lived at our house, mostly my husband. When he went to live with another family from our school, there was no more contact with his parents, but a lot with his aunt. I did go by his house the day he was "abducted against his will", and asked his mother, "Where is Brendan?" Her reply was, "Get out of my house." So I left, and, no, with my goal of Bring Brendan Home, I probably will have no more contact with his immediate family. Think I answered all of your questions. Thank you for your real concern.
By the way, what is up with the confirmation code? It has taken me up to ten times to get it correct!
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FYI- while my husband was teaching and an administrator with the Alachua County School System, I was homeschooling my three daughters. Also, I am a former La Leche League Leader. You probably won't know what that is- a national group to help new mothers breastfeed. I am hardly a threat to anyone!
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LOL. That’s the Director of GAO’s education workforce and income security and child services saying that there are likely to be WAY more deaths in “residential programs” than have been identified, but if that’s the spin you want to put on it go ahead.
Again, maybe if you were more interested in reality than in spin, John D reuben, your son would not have killed himself.
Instead you imprisoned him in SUWS wilderness and Academy at Swift River, and then killed himself. Your son is dead because of you. Whoops!
Thanks I left a few out:
Brainwashing = high school
Torture = no iPod or texting
Survivors = those who failed to finish or never applied themselves.
Youre welcome. You left out one more:
Michael Joshua Reuben = your dead son / marketing tool.
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I have just read everything posted under "Send Postcards to Brendan". Brendan does have a last name, Spelman, and lives in Gainesville, Florida. He is/was a student at my private school for 9th, 10th, 11th and 1 week of his senior year. In April, because of a deteriorating home life, my husband and I were asked to provide our home for Brendan to live. He lived with us until the end of the school year. My take on the negative, personal attacks on Brendan's character, is that since you don't know him, you are having "fun" at his expense. He was not kidnapped, his parents paid for an escort service to pick him up without informing him. He CAN not walk away- can't figure out where that comes from. DRA? He was picked up in the parking lot of his psychiatrist, his aunt was driving him there, without her (both the aunt and the psychiatrist) knowledge either. When the psychiatrist asked the mother, who showed up to make sure Brendan was picked up, why she had not discussed this decision with her, Brendan's mother said "I am not here to explain myself." Then his mother walked out of the psychiatrist's office. The only reason we can come up with, for this behavior on the parents part, is their need to have complete control over Brendan and remove him from the family who provided him with a safe place to live and thrive ( at all times his parents knew where he was, and Brendan kept in constant contact with his aunt: how do I know, I was there). They had been unsuccessful trying to get him to return home or live with any family members. His treatment at home was very abusive, both verbally and mentally. We became aware of this while he was living with us, and several parents (including his family members) have come forth to substantiate the parental abuse. I filed a report of child abuse with DCF in both Utah and Florida. Florida will/can not do anything because Brendan is in Utah. Utah will/can not do anything because the abuse took place in Florida. I have not exhausted my legal options yet. Hopefully, this will clear up some of the misinformation about Brendan and his situation.
Thank you Twiggins for giving us a candid update and clearing up the story about Brendon. I have a few questions:
Are you one of his teachers? And who asked you to take Brendon in to live with you? Is this a private school that you and your husband run yourself? Do you have any contact with Brendon’s parents?
I am glad that you cleared up that he wasn’t kidnapped. The stories take on an animation of their own here on fornits and escalate into kids being water boarded, placed in isolation and abused at DRA and various other schools and programs, being called detainees, prisons and gulags. Almost like a Dungeons and dragons appeal. So sifting through the posts to find the truth can be a challenge sometimes as you have just experienced.
I hope you can return again and keep us updated.
No, I am one of the administer. My husband has taught Brendan, and he is the high school counselor, so he has worked with Brendan and his parents in this roll. When my husband became aware of issues in Brendan's family life he offered to let Brendan stay with us for a cool off period. His mother spoke to her therapist about this offer, and she called me and said the therapist thought that our home was the best for him, not his grandmother or aunt. I don't really understand how the therapist could/would recommend us, but Brendan's mother told me she did. I told her that we would gladly help out- we have had quite a few students (all teenagers) stay with us from time to time. His aunt drove him over to our house. The private school was started by four of us in 1993 (my husband, myself, 2 long-time friends). My husband has been in the education field for 37 years- public system for 22 and then our school. He is also an adjunct professor at the University of Florida in the College of Eduction. We remained in contact with his mother while he lived at our house, mostly my husband. When he went to live with another family from our school, there was no more contact with his parents, but a lot with his aunt. I did go by his house the day he was "abducted against his will", and asked his mother, "Where is Brendan?" Her reply was, "Get out of my house." So I left, and, no, with my goal of Bring Brendan Home, I probably will have no more contact with his immediate family. Think I answered all of your questions. Thank you for your real concern.
By the way, what is up with the confirmation code? It has taken me up to ten times to get it correct!
Watch out. you are texting to infamous fornits troll, "the who." Do a search on his name. His kid killed himself after being imprisoned at Academy at Swift river and SUWS wilderness then he started a business referring people to the cultic organization aspen education group (that runs ASR and SUWS). In his free time, he harasses victims of torture that post on fornits.
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&start=0 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&start=0)
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FYI- while my husband was teaching and an administrator with the Alachua County School System, I was homeschooling my three daughters. Also, I am a former La Leche League Leader. You probably won't know what that is- a national group to help new mothers breastfeed. I am hardly a threat to anyone!
Maybe not, but we are.
Look, Twiggins? Have you actually been *reading* this board? We have people here minimizing the effects of abuse on children, and it's quite possible that one of them is Brendan's mother. We have other people here who would gleefully sacrifice themselves for a good chance at revenge. Lawyers, morons, survivors (who are getting outnumbered or at least out-posted) and hatred lords all have their presence on Fornits.
This is what these people are. These are the people his mother sent them to. This is the kind of insane shit he's been exposed to for the past months. And now that you've posted the boy's last name, we thank you for it, as we're going to hunt the bitch down.
Welcome to the real world.
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Watch out. you are texting to infamous fornits troll, "the who." Do a search on his name. His kid killed himself after being imprisoned at Academy at Swift river and SUWS wilderness then he started a business referring people to the cultic organization aspen education group (that runs ASR and SUWS). In his free time, he harasses victims of torture that post on fornits.
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php? ... 03&start=0 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&start=0)
I forgot to mention that he killed most of his neighbors and is presently being investigated for being involved in 911 attacks in New York. So you shouldnt listen to him.
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Is she one of these? (This of course asserts that mother and son share the same last name and that she actually has a Gainesville address.)
http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/previe ... ainesville (http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/preview/peoplesearch.do?&searchLName=SPELMAN&searchState=FL&searchCity=Gainesville)
This kind of detective work is kinda what some of us do. If you could help us out with some more information about this woman and how we might get in contact with her, it'd be a great help.
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Is she one of these? (This of course asserts that mother and son share the same last name and that she actually has a Gainesville address.)
http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/previe ... ainesville (http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/preview/peoplesearch.do?&searchLName=SPELMAN&searchState=FL&searchCity=Gainesville)
This kind of detective work is kinda what some of us do. If you could help us out with some more information about this woman and how we might get in contact with her, it'd be a great help.
(http://http://www.emersonkent.com/images/mussolini_hitler.jpg)
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Shut up, Whooter! If I want parenting advice I'll ask a nun.
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FYI- while my husband was teaching and an administrator with the Alachua County School System, I was homeschooling my three daughters. Also, I am a former La Leche League Leader. You probably won't know what that is- a national group to help new mothers breastfeed. I am hardly a threat to anyone!
Maybe not, but we are.
Look, Twiggins? Have you actually been *reading* this board? We have people here minimizing the effects of abuse on children, and it's quite possible that one of them is Brendan's mother. We have other people here who would gleefully sacrifice themselves for a good chance at revenge. Lawyers, morons, survivors (who are getting outnumbered or at least out-posted) and hatred lords all have their presence on Fornits.
This is what these people are. These are the people his mother sent them to. This is the kind of insane shit he's been exposed to for the past months. And now that you've posted the boy's last name, we thank you for it, as we're going to hunt the bitch down.
Welcome to the real world.
twiggens, dont be scared off. No one is getting 'hunted down.' And, guest, as you surely know, B's last name was already known.
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Shut up, Whooter! If I want parenting advice I'll ask a nun.
You know, Ginger, there *is* a time when even an unmoderated forum can start banning spammers by IP address.
That time was a couple of days ago. Particularly in the shoutbox.
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FYI- while my husband was teaching and an administrator with the Alachua County School System, I was homeschooling my three daughters. Also, I am a former La Leche League Leader. You probably won't know what that is- a national group to help new mothers breastfeed. I am hardly a threat to anyone!
Maybe not, but we are.
Look, Twiggins? Have you actually been *reading* this board? We have people here minimizing the effects of abuse on children, and it's quite possible that one of them is Brendan's mother. We have other people here who would gleefully sacrifice themselves for a good chance at revenge. Lawyers, morons, survivors (who are getting outnumbered or at least out-posted) and hatred lords all have their presence on Fornits.
This is what these people are. These are the people his mother sent them to. This is the kind of insane shit he's been exposed to for the past months. And now that you've posted the boy's last name, we thank you for it, as we're going to hunt the bitch down.
Welcome to the real world.
Redefine "we" to include your agent provocateur self and your entirely fictional army of crazies.
Twiggins. The entire purpose of the above post was to scare you off. One tactic of some program supporters is to impersonate the "anti-program" side and act crazy.
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FYI- while my husband was teaching and an administrator with the Alachua County School System, I was homeschooling my three daughters. Also, I am a former La Leche League Leader. You probably won't know what that is- a national group to help new mothers breastfeed. I am hardly a threat to anyone!
Maybe not, but we are.
Look, Twiggins? Have you actually been *reading* this board? We have people here minimizing the effects of abuse on children, and it's quite possible that one of them is Brendan's mother. We have other people here who would gleefully sacrifice themselves for a good chance at revenge. Lawyers, morons, survivors (who are getting outnumbered or at least out-posted) and hatred lords all have their presence on Fornits.
This is what these people are. These are the people his mother sent them to. This is the kind of insane shit he's been exposed to for the past months. And now that you've posted the boy's last name, we thank you for it, as we're going to hunt the bitch down.
Welcome to the real world.[/quote
I guess my question for you is "Have you actually been "reading this board?" This thread, Send Postcards to Brendan, is about sending Brendan postcards, his current address with his full name was posted earlier on fornits, and not by me.
As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse/incest ( I am almost 60 now), I don't need a lecture of the effects of abuse on children. I have lived that life. Ask my husband, my grown daughters, and my close friends- I know deep and personal how hard it is to live a life of "my" making, not a life reacting to my childhood experiences.
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Just posted on The facebook group:
Hi Everyone - I'm the mom that provided a safe home to Brendan for four months before he was taken. Thanks to all who have posted their concern.
Thought you all would like to know that on Saturday we had an airplane fly over DRA for an hour with a banner message for Brendan. This was the only way we could think to get a message to him that we 'love him and rally for him'.
One of my gravest concerns about DRA is the lack of communication its students are allowed, and the fact that this communication is censored. If DRA's program is upstanding and successful, they should be willing to allow their students open communication. Period.
Sad to think in our country it takes hiring an airplane to get a message to a loved one in a facility where he is prevented from exercising his civil rights.
Brendan is such a great kid; we've come to know him very well, and will work tirelessly to give him the opportunity to have his voice be heard in this serious situation.
That's one way to get the job done. Wow. Bravo.
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we had an airplane fly over DRA for an hour with a banner message for Brendan
I had an airplane fly over North Korea to spy on their nuclear missile sites. The banner message said, "Shut down your nuclear missile sites or the US will bomb you."
Point taken, but If you've ever been in a program you'd know that a good part of breaking a person down -- eroding their will, is by removing hope and convincing a person that the program is the only way. If Brendan got that message, he now knows that there are others on the outside who support him and will be there when he turns 18. He now knows that there is one more way out.
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Hey Psy, is it time to delete the spam yet?