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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 26, 2003, 09:59:00 PM
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For Former WWASPS Parents and Students:
There are over 2,000 kids currently enrolled in a WWASPS program presumably with the blessing of their parent/guardian. For these children, what can and should WWASPS be doing to improve the quality of their care and treatment?
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There is a lot that needs to be done, but WWASP does not deserve a 20th chance. Its just like asking if a child abuser should be given a 2nd chance to baby-sit your child.
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 18:00 ]
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My input would be that if a child hasn't been with the parents for 6 months, to have a visit. It probably won't be a good one if they are still in denial about needing to be there, but it's needed. The one in Utah does this as a therapy visit, but all need to follow suit if they haven't already. Also to have a half hour phone call after about 3 months. They post photos of the kids after a seminar, but I think the parents would like to see them post a photo each month or so.
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Karen - sounds like you want them to be like a traditional boarding school. You've been reading too many Stephen King novels! It seems you're calling any parent that reads what you THINK you know are abusive for sending their child to a wwasps program. Whatever happened to YOU seems to have been magnified by your obsessions.
It's good PR for your own program anyway.
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What harm would there be in approaching WWASPS in good faith with a list of recommendations based on the experience of parents and alumni?
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They receive recommendations. A couple of the schools used to allow upper level students to give consequences (point loss) to the lower levels. Now it has to be presented to a staff person and approved. That's a step in the right direction. I'm learning what they're all about and agree that constructive vs destructive recommendations are welcome.
Question to build on the original request: What's right as opposed to what's wrong?
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I am 100% certain that is the PR people....
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What I think they could improve on is better meal service. Hey, steaks would be good instead of the usual burger, chicken and ribs fare, don't you think? Unlimited access to the kitchen and allow pop, lots of pop with lots of caffeine. Mt. Dew!! Yes! Come and go as we please so access to drugs is good. And, dammit, let us date the guys. THey COULD give us birth control like they do at other schools. I missed chocolate!
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Oh, and MORE seminars, at least being able to staff more. That was the best part, but we could only staff a few times.
Who's Karen - she's not talking about wwasp is she?? If so, she's got some hidden agenda for it. Interesting.
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Am I the only one to see the pattern?
A PR looking post gets posted on the board, then ?WWASP Supporters? (probably staffers) following up with positive and supportive comments. Its like they rally up in private emails and then set a time and date when the main topic will be posted then they all try to rush in and back it.
As far as WWASP getting a second (more like 50th) chance? no way! Its not about whether or not they may change their program for the better. Its about their harsh, abusive, and fraudulent past. They have no right to even currently be in business.
Too many teens have been forever damaged in the name of some Utah business men.
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 18:03 ]
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The harm would be, it would entail the gang to give up some of their money we parents spent on our children's behalf.
To actually spend money on food, school spplies,
real therapist(not bought and paid for fraudulent Chappuis).Real Doctors.The list is endless.
Its not likely the greedy owners would give up what they think they dont have to.
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What I'm seeing here are people more concerned with exposing untruths and/or promoting their own agenda instead of getting the ball rolling by making a list of the top 10 issues and providing solutions for resovling the problem(s). Here's my input for at least one concern raised on this forum.
1. Diet
Hire a full-time dietician and support staff trained to develop and implement a well-balanced, healthy diet "across the board" (meaning all programs). Parents whose children have special dietary needs or concerns must be allowed to work with the dietician and staff to ensure their child's needs are being met.
NEXT????
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Actually, I don't see this as a PR person, because I would think they would identify themselves as such to get the answers they are seeking. Don't know about who orginally posted this, could be a wwasps supporter, but so what?
I think the one post about the steaks and the dating was sarcastic and just trying to make a point that the food is already healthy. Check out the public schools with all the carbs/sugar/fat/caffeine they ladle out to our kids everyday. That's unhealthy! As for the dating, it's unbelieveable that some programs allow this - seems like self-defeating to take the focus off the real issues why the kid is there in the first place.
Karen - it seems like you encourage "surfacy" sharing in group meetings. That won't get to the root of why these kids are acting out to cover up their pain.
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Food deprivation (as alleged) should not be tolerated. As for public schools, that is not the standard for which private programs should be held to, especially when you consider the special needs of the population of youth these programs serve. Level Status should have absolutely no bearing on what a child is "allowed to eat". Three squares, mid morning, afteroon and evening snacks should be standard operating procedure PERIOD.
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#2 SANITATION
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR SHORTAGES OF TOILET PAPER. NOT EVEN IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!
Solution: Purchase toilet paper in bulk, warehouse it in St. George and make sure every program has a 3-6 month supply on hand.
PERSONAL HYGIENE SUPPLIES:
What is the current policy?
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 18:05 ]
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I can't believe you guys are actually considering making suggestions to WWASP. Especially about toilet paper? The bottom line is that the CUMULATIVE experience of a WWASP facility is what damages you for life. Small details, like hygeine or food are no comparison to the emotional torment you experience there. WWASP can in no way could ever rehabilitate, and if they tried, they'd go broke for restitution.
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melissa, i think their toying with the guy! i dont think anyone believes that wwasp will change, nor do i believe that anyone of us would forgive them. their just giving suggestions, knowing wwasp would never change. it would cost them to much money,
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Who is never going to change? :???:
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Melissa - do you think it would have made any difference what help your parents sought? Not attacking, just asking. What would have made your experience different with a different approach? How long were you there and why were you pulled just prior to graduation?
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LOOK AT THE SUBJECT :wstupid:
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Looking the subject and the question. Asking, in other words, what would you have changed or what changes were suggested that would have made it work for you?
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I see complaining vs. clear requests. Has anyone ever heard: Only complain to those that can do something about it? That could also work in making a clear request to those than can do something about it.
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Made any difference what help my parents sought? What difference, and why help? I didn't need help. I too, victim WWASP because I was a white, upper-middle class teenager whose parents bought the whole WWASP thing because they were convinced that a couple parties, talking back, and average grades weren't good enough for them. I got pulled before graduation because my parents didn't attend seminars and while on my homepass they decided they saw enough "change" to suit them. I was there 17.5 months. Different approach... I'm sorry I don't understand parts of your post.
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Melissa - Thanks for answering, and I know it's off the subject. It actually doesn't sound like your parents bought the wwasp program if they never attended the personal growth seminars themselves. It's like saying you go get fixed, because we're perfect and don't need to look at ourselves. At least that's what it would say to me. Is it wwasp that you're angry with or is it your parents and it's easier to get pissed off at wwasp than it is to put the focus on your parents. I just sensed a lot of anger in your last post for them, not wwasp.
Sorry, I know we're way off the subject here.
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It's too late .The damage has been done.
For the love of money kids have bben harmed...
Way too late to discuss rehabilitation of the Evil Empire.
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Of course it's very difficult to forgive your parents after you trust them your whole life and suddenly you wake up and your being dragged out of your house in handcuffs because they "loved you enough to get help" (that's WWASP jargon, by the way) WWASP takes advantage of parents that are busy, sometimes workaholics, and parents that don't really get vulnerable with their kids or whatever... that's what kind of parents I have, except for some personal facts like my mom died 3 month before I was sent there and my dad almost married this woman who set up me going to the program. She was like "the evil stepmother" type and wanted to get rid of me. My dad is the type that he won't do any of the legwork, if you hand him papers to sign he'll sign them, he doesn't do research, he has employees to do that for him, he has no idea how to operate a computer, so pretty much this woman got nailed by the spammdex, handed the papers over to my dad, which he signed and forked over the cash, and poof, I was gone.
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Oh, also... to put it plainly, I was one of the kids that their parents never followed the rules of the program, but because the family reps knew my dad is fairly wealthy, they let him do whatever he wanted, he sent plane tickets on 4 separate occassions, did the whole 60 day notice thing, they kept conveniently losing my paperwork, and in the meantime convincing my dad to cancel the plane tickets that would bring me home... etc. The master manipulation on the program's behalf is what kept me in the program, NOT any committment or support of the program itself on behalf of my parents. The family reps ensuring my dad that he had "made the right choice" really fed his ego, and telling them I "really needed the services the program had to offer" kept me in the program for an immense amount of time....
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Are WWASPS parents aware of the ISAC report on Tranquility Bay? Has there been any discussion on their own bulletin boards, and if so, what is the general consensus? What about WWASPS parents who visit this forum? What are they thinking?
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Sounds like the State Dept. has some serious explaining to do.
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treat others as you would like to be treated. Remember that? There is no such thing as a perfect person? Remember that?
these men are not proepared to do what they need to do to be accountable. ::mecry:: they would have to be sorry and acknowledge the damage they've done. that's not likely- read their quotes -they think they're saving the world or are they building the church and puffing up the spirit Morani?
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Melissa, what does your dad think now? (If this question has already been asked and answered, please let me know where to look for the post). Second, what did you think about the ISAC report?
:smile:
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WWASPS doesn't need rehabilitation. We do :wink:
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On 2003-08-26 18:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"For Former WWASPS Parents and Students:
There are over 2,000 kids currently enrolled in a WWASPS program presumably with the blessing of their parent/guardian. For these children, what can and should WWASPS be doing to improve the quality of their care and treatment?
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Shut down.The fact is the fact, the program is evil, and every attempt to make
chicken salad out of chicken shit has resulted in a Chicken shit
sandwich, No pickle on the side could ever change that.
BINGO!
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On 2003-08-28 18:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"WWASPS doesn't need rehabilitation. We do :wink: "
:wink:
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Here?s a suggestion for you.
The WWASP debate could go on forever. The primary issues are:
What ?BM? methods and techniques are they actually using? Are those techniques abusive? Were the methods disclosed to parents before they signed up?
What are the actual living conditions? Are the acceptable?
What are the teens fed? Does it meet FDA guidelines? Is food used as punishment or reward?
Are the rights of teens being violated? Under normal conditions in the real world, a child is not denied access to their parents unless it has been shown to be in the child?s best interest. When that occurs the child still has a guardian/advocate. Even in the JJS, teens may place phone calls that are not monitored and allegations of abuse are not punished, but investigated.
Until these, and other questions are answered, the debate will rage on. Ignorant parents want to believe all is well; that abuse is not happening, that their child is being well fed, well cared for, and well educated; that abdicating responsibility is in the their child?s best interest. They, nor the public, will take notice until the truth hits them square between the eyes, and even then there will be those who attempt to justify the need for ?abuse? in order for the teen to ?grow?. No ?therapy? should include abuse.
To the end of exposing the truth, WWASP could allow ISAC or some other genuinely independent watchdog organization to place reps at each facility for an extended period of time, equipped with camcorders, tape recorders and unrestricted access to staff and inmates.
If that rep comes back with video footage and interviews that disproves the hundreds of allegations of abuse, then and only then, might others back off.
Since it is unlikely that WWASP would allow this- there are no band-aids capable of righting the wrongs perpetrated by WWASP and the 200+ other facilities of its ilk.
Without abuse, in all its many forms, they wouldn?t have a program, plain and simple. Objective outsider are not going to be allowed in because the livelihood of thousands and the unbridled wealth of the owners would be in serious jeopardy when the truth was revealed.
All BM warehousing facilities have mastered the art of manipulating ?desperate? parents. Their clever business tactics have been largely successful to date. Some parents are starting to listen. Those who can?t hear are truly desperate. I hear them talk about their kids as if they were inanimate objects, most are incapable of parenting or making choices that are in their child?s best interest. Therefore, the need for watchdogs and advocates. These facilities do not meet the definition of ?school?. BM warehousing facility with a minimal educational component is more accurate.
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I'm so glad there is someone on this board that actually knows it all. You are the saviour of humanity and children - Can I call you Ms. GOD? Your knowledge is astounding!! When are you going to open your own school? You have all the answers to make it that perfect experience. :wink:
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Thanks for noticing my wisdom and knowledge. Yes, you may refer to me as Ms. God if you'd like. I appreciate your kind words.
I would love to collaborate with a group of people on the creation of an alternative the only abusive option available to parents. It would be nothing like WWASP.
Back to your ignorant response, would you be opposed to someone going in to observe? And if so, why?
Deborah
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Just a note:
Deborah has written a good analysis with some suggestions for improvement (and exposure of what cannot improve, given the WWASP treatment modality). She has signed her post: DEBORAH
The responding post is sarcastic, caustic, and without any merit, in that it attacks but supplies absolutely no intelligence with which to rebuild. It is signed: ANONYMOUS
Hhhmmm...who can I believe? Why isn't this parent proud enough to identify herself?
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Being one with inside knowledge, I don't know it all! I do know that I felt safer when my son was enrolled because they did use restraints, by trained staff, at his school. He was restrained when he and 4 other boys were fighting. He stopped, no one was hurt, except maybe his ego. I was called by his FR and I also talked to him. Even to this day, he said unless they had pepper spray or something not physical, he would have been hurt or hurt someone. Though it hurt me to hear what happened, I didn't feel it was excessive under the circumstances. I do know it never happened again. As for restraining for little stupid stuff, it didn't happen there.
So my suggestion for "rehabilitation" would be to actually only use restraints when all else fails or it's necessary for immediate control. I read the restraint thread, and I agree with everyone that this really needs to be looked at deeply, if restraints are being used "at will" at the other schools.
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WWASPS cannot be rehabilitated because their root business concept is inherently amoral.
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As from what i have read their political influence is significant, their wealth obscene, & their industry not well regulated, the only answer is the market. Parents need to not send their kids there!
It looks to me like they are in the process of shutting down as an entity anyway. They will probably reopen under a new name have AIR & spring creek & whoever else has left reaffiliate & the process will start all over again.