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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Troll Control on July 10, 2009, 12:12:23 PM
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Max Reuben is the second son of John D. Reuben of "SavingTeens.org" (STICC). Max was sent to HLA from 2004 to 2008.
His brother, Mike, was sent to SUWS and then to ASR. Because his real issues were never dealt with at these kiddie prisons, he killed himself last year with an overdose of heroin. Prior to going to SUWS and ASR, Mike had never been a drug abuser. He became one after four years of detention.
Did any of you go to HLA with Max? If so, I'd like to know if HLA allowed him to attend his mother's funeral.
HLA uses family tragedies to gain compliance from their detainees. They will say things like "If you want to go to your mom's funeral, you better straighten up right now, or you won't go!" Nothing like mind-raping a kid who just lost his mom, right?
Did any of you know Max well? Did you meet his dad? If so, what was his dad like in person? On fornits he's a little coward 'who' hides behind his supposed anonymity and degrades people who had bad experiences at HLA and ASR, even though his neglect and ASR's abuse led to his son's death.
I just wonder what kind of parent does such a lousy job of raising his kids that they both 'needed' kiddie jail time.
Any feedback is appreciated, especially about how HLA handles Max's mom's death.
Thank you in advance for your thoughtful replies.
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I was at hla with max reuben, actually his roommate for a few weeks. He was sent to hla for huffing stuff (duster/paint/glue i dont remember his exact poison of choice) along with probably a number of other underlying issues i did not have the time to become aware of. when he arrived he had a scar on his face from when he passed out and a can of something he was huffing froze to his face.
dont attack the reubens. that family obviously has some serious issues, and it is obvious that you wont be changing JDR's mind considering how fucked up his life is. i''m sure they already have plenty to deal with minus fornits.
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Max Reuben is the second son of John D. Reuben of "SavingTeens.org" (STICC). Max was sent to HLA from 2004 to 2008.
His brother, Mike, was sent to SUWS and then to ASR. Because his real issues were never dealt with at these kiddie prisons, he killed himself last year with an overdose of heroin. Prior to going to SUWS and ASR, Mike had never been a drug abuser. He became one after four years of detention.
Did any of you go to HLA with Max? If so, I'd like to know if HLA allowed him to attend his mother's funeral.
HLA uses family tragedies to gain compliance from their detainees. They will say things like "If you want to go to your mom's funeral, you better straighten up right now, or you won't go!" Nothing like mind-raping a kid who just lost his mom, right?
Did any of you know Max well? Did you meet his dad? If so, what was his dad like in person? On fornits he's a little coward 'who' hides behind his supposed anonymity and degrades people who had bad experiences at HLA and ASR, even though his neglect and ASR's abuse led to his son's death.
I just wonder what kind of parent does such a lousy job of raising his kids that they both 'needed' kiddie jail time.
Any feedback is appreciated, especially about how HLA handles Max's mom's death.
Thank you in advance for your thoughtful replies.
Now tell us honestly. Would anyone believe this posters if they were describing their stay at a program? This person never even met the Reubens or went to ASR yet they are describing in detail the events which lead up to the sons death. This is what we are faced with when someone starts saying they were abused in a program. Are they telling the truth or just trying to make the program they attended look bad like this poster is doing to the Reubens?
Fair question? Where is the dividion between truth and lies?
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I think what is posted is a fair depiction. Two kids in programs = bad parenting, period. These kids had problems that should have been addressed by real help. Sadly, instead they were locked up in kiddie jails.
Mike never had a drug problem, but as soon as he got out of ASR, he started one. Why is that? What about his life prior to being parolled from ASR drove him to drugs? We'll never know now. He's dead. Like many other ASR parolees.
Average age to death for an ASR inmate seems to be around 23-25 years. That's just the data. Sorry, but data doesn't lie. There happen to be lots of corpses surrounding ASR and other teen warehouses. The correlation is very high. Facts are facts.
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I think what is posted is a fair depiction. Two kids in programs = bad parenting, period.
This is very consistent with the thinking on fornits. So every child in a program is due to bad parenting (100%). Great thinking!
These kids had problems that should have been addressed by real help.
Some feel the kids don’t have any problems at all. Which is it?
Sadly, instead they were locked up in kiddie jails.
Hmm.... Jails, okay.
Mike never had a drug problem,
You know this to be fact.
but as soon as he got out of ASR, he started one.
You know this to be fact.
Why is that? What about his life prior to being parolled from ASR drove him to drugs? We'll never know now. He's dead. Like many other ASR parolees.
No links no evidence. This is why I post here. You speculate and make up stories to suit your agenda. What are readers to believe here? In one post you make up stories and in another you are desperate to make people believe you were abused in a program. Where do the stories end and the facts begin?
Average age to death for an ASR inmate seems to be around 23-25 years. That's just the data. Sorry, but data doesn't lie.
Link, to study?
There happen to be lots of corpses surrounding ASR and other teen warehouses. The correlation is very high. Facts are facts.
Lets see the facts then. I see the words you write, but no evidence. This is when you take off and run.
Your post has made my case, thank you.
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This is very consistent with the thinking on fornits. So every child in a program is due to bad parenting (100%). Great thinking!
Nope just yours. You were a bad parent, so your kid killed himself.
Some feel the kids don’t have any problems at all. Which is it
[citation needed]
Hmm.... Jails, okay
Yes jails. I'm glad you finally come to understand this and accept it.
You know this to be fact
You would. Clear the air for us right now.
You know this to be fact
See the above post.
No links no evidence. This is why I post here. You speculate and make up stories to suit your agenda. What are readers to believe here? In one post you make up stories and in another you are desperate to make people believe these abusive programs are safe. Where do the stories end and the facts begin?
Link, to study?
Why would you care about evidence now? You weren't able to back up any of your own claims.
Lets see the facts then. I see the words you write, but no evidence. This is when you take off and run.
Your post has made my case, thank you
That brings up a good idea. Why don't you start your data base of kids who were murdered by this industry up again. Add your dead kid's name to the top of the list.
Once you're done with that provide the post where you gave permission to have your guest post linked. I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
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I think what is posted is a fair depiction. Two kids in programs = bad parenting, period.
This is very consistent with the thinking on fornits. So every child in a program is due to bad parenting (100%). Great thinking!
These kids had problems that should have been addressed by real help.
Some feel the kids don’t have any problems at all. Which is it?
Sadly, instead they were locked up in kiddie jails.
Hmm.... Jails, okay.
Mike never had a drug problem,
You know this to be fact.
but as soon as he got out of ASR, he started one.
You know this to be fact.
Why is that? What about his life prior to being parolled from ASR drove him to drugs? We'll never know now. He's dead. Like many other ASR parolees.
No links no evidence. This is why I post here. You speculate and make up stories to suit your agenda. What are readers to believe here? In one post you make up stories and in another you are desperate to make people believe you were abused in a program. Where do the stories end and the facts begin?
Average age to death for an ASR inmate seems to be around 23-25 years. That's just the data. Sorry, but data doesn't lie.
Link, to study?
There happen to be lots of corpses surrounding ASR and other teen warehouses. The correlation is very high. Facts are facts.
Lets see the facts then. I see the words you write, but no evidence. This is when you take off and run.
Your post has made my case, thank you.
:flame: :twofinger:
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Max Reuben is the second son of John D. Reuben of "SavingTeens.org" (STICC). Max was sent to HLA from 2004 to 2008.
His brother, Mike, was sent to SUWS and then to ASR. Because his real issues were never dealt with at these kiddie prisons, he killed himself last year with an overdose of heroin. Prior to going to SUWS and ASR, Mike had never been a drug abuser. He became one after four years of detention.
Did any of you go to HLA with Max? If so, I'd like to know if HLA allowed him to attend his mother's funeral.
HLA uses family tragedies to gain compliance from their detainees. They will say things like "If you want to go to your mom's funeral, you better straighten up right now, or you won't go!" Nothing like mind-raping a kid who just lost his mom, right?
Did any of you know Max well? Did you meet his dad? If so, what was his dad like in person? On fornits he's a little coward 'who' hides behind his supposed anonymity and degrades people who had bad experiences at HLA and ASR, even though his neglect and ASR's abuse led to his son's death.
I just wonder what kind of parent does such a lousy job of raising his kids that they both 'needed' kiddie jail time.
Any feedback is appreciated, especially about how HLA handles Max's mom's death.
Thank you in advance for your thoughtful replies.
Was he allowed to go to his mom's funeral or not? Simple question.
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Nicole Fuglslang of CALO (Change Academy Lake of the Ozarks)
(http://http://caloteens.com/photos/staff/nicolefuglsang.jpg)
http://www.bergermontague.com/pdfs/Hidd ... plaint.pdf (http://www.bergermontague.com/pdfs/Hidden%20Lake%20Academy%20Complaint.pdf)
5. Further, during the Class Period HLA has also enrolled a number of "court-ordered," "violent" or "severely disturbed" students . The enrollment of these children has led, among other things, to several incidents during the Class Period in which students have been violently assaulted by other students -- the precise opposite of the "therapeutic" mission the school tells families it follows. Indeed, an internal HLA email sent in February 2006 by Clarke Poole, HLA's former Director of Admissions during the period January 2000 through March 2006, to HLA's current Director of Admissions (and Public Relations), Nicole Fuglslang, detailed the exploits of three of these students, including one female student who sexually assaulted another female student, and two male students -- who both reportedly were referred to the school by defendant Buccellato himself despite the clear risks these children posed -- who brutally attacked other students .
I guess John didn't care that there violent sexual offenders mixed in with glue huffers.
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No, I guess not. But as policy, HLA does not allow kids to go to funerals. They usually keep them locked up to "keep their thoughts right" like in Cool Hand Luke. I wonder if that's where their treatment model comes from? Lock 'em up, work 'em to near death and deprive 'em of any contact with outsiders while the inmates set up the rules and the pecking order. Lots of similarities there.
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John, when you sent your glue-sniffing kid to HLA, didn't you worry that rapists roam the grounds freely? That they have opportunities to get other kids alone and out of supervised areas? Do you tell parents that you are referring to HLA that they accept convicted violent sexual offenders?
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John, when you sent your glue-sniffing kid to HLA, didn't you worry that rapists roam the grounds freely? That they have opportunities to get other kids alone and out of supervised areas? Do you tell parents that you are referring to HLA that they accept convicted violent sexual offenders?
Nah, not worried about rapists. They use to tell us when we were kids that there were wild bears in the woods to keep us all at the camp site. Now a days this wouldnt work so they step it up a little and say there are rapists roaming the grounds. Its been very effective and the programs save on extra staff and fences.
Now actually hiring sex offenders is even more effective. You dont any kids roaming around at night even in doors. So there are different levels you can incorporate depending on the flight risks of the kids each individual program accepts. Hiring sex offenders for the night shift keeps the kids out of the hallways and in their room. You dont have to lock the doors because most of them lock them from the inside.... Brilliant!!
We save a ton of money on security, plus sex offenders will work for less...win, win.
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John, when you sent your glue-sniffing kid to HLA, didn't you worry that rapists roam the grounds freely? That they have opportunities to get other kids alone and out of supervised areas? Do you tell parents that you are referring to HLA that they accept convicted violent sexual offenders?
Some people choose to ignore realities like this. One kid at HLA was diagnosed by Len with pedophilia (among other very disturbing diagnoses) and this was known, obviously, before he was enrolled, again, by Len. Sticking your head in the sand or pretending this isn't true is pure folly.
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John, when you sent your glue-sniffing kid to HLA, didn't you worry that rapists roam the grounds freely? That they have opportunities to get other kids alone and out of supervised areas? Do you tell parents that you are referring to HLA that they accept convicted violent sexual offenders?
Some people choose to ignore realities like this. One kid at HLA was diagnosed by Len with pedophilia (among other very disturbing diagnoses) and this was known, obviously, before he was enrolled, again, by Len. Sticking your head in the sand or pretending this isn't true is pure folly.
There were tons of kids enrolled who were diagnosed with ODD or even ADHD. If you listen to most of the posters here you will learn that you cant rely too much on the wording of the diagnoses. Chances are that kid was misdiagnosed, I dont think there was ever any risk.
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John, when you sent your glue-sniffing kid to HLA, didn't you worry that rapists roam the grounds freely? That they have opportunities to get other kids alone and out of supervised areas? Do you tell parents that you are referring to HLA that they accept convicted violent sexual offenders?
Some people choose to ignore realities like this. One kid at HLA was diagnosed by Len with pedophilia (among other very disturbing diagnoses) and this was known, obviously, before he was enrolled, again, by Len. Sticking your head in the sand or pretending this isn't true is pure folly.
There were tons of kids enrolled who were diagnosed with ODD or even ADHD. If you listen to most of the posters here you will learn that you cant rely too much on the wording of the diagnoses. Chances are that kid was misdiagnosed, I dont think there was ever any risk.
I wonder why he sexually assualted another boy then? There goes the "no risk" theory. This was the same kid that sexually abused his little brother at home. Who could have predicted he'd be anything other than risk-free at HLA??
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FYI to everyone - a legal complaint does not make its accusations a fact. The e-mail contents of one person does not make the contents fact. Both have written rebuttals. Where are the rebuttals, here? Fornits is famous for quoting one side of an arguement, using hearsay as fact, or using other hearsay websites as sources of evidence. Be forewarned, don't expect good critical analyses on a Fornits website.
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Post the "written rebuttals" then. They don't seem to be a piece of any legal documents, all of which have been made public. Show me the sworn affadavit that these facts are "untrue." Please, proceed.
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Excellent point. Nicole didnt seem to refute the comment when Clarke originally made it. It was only after Buchi was thouroughly embarrassed did they try and deny it. The fact is when I was there and well beyond my year spent incarcerated there that they would take anyone who could afford it, no matter the risk.
On that same note Peter where is the post where you gave permission to have your post linked? I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
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^^ Bruce wrote:
The fact is when I was there and well beyond my year spent incarcerated there that they would take anyone who could afford it, no matter the risk.
Beware, these are “RobertBruce” facts. I am sure every child that went thru HLA was privy to the decisions made in the front office and details of each child admitted.
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Not at all. If we were, we would have inflicted much more damage and forced regulation far sooner than when and what we did. What all the inmates were privy too, is who was court ordered and who was not. Court ordered kids being an issue that according to HLA staff, doesnt exist. According to them HLA has never admitted court ordered kids. This of course is a blatent lie. One I'm sure you're already well aware of.
Now where is that post where you gave permission to have your guest posts linked up. I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
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Not at all. If we were, we would have inflicted much more damage and forced regulation far sooner than when and what we did. What all the inmates were privy too, is who was court ordered and who was not. Court ordered kids being an issue that according to HLA staff, doesnt exist. According to them HLA has never admitted court ordered kids. This of course is a blatent lie. One I'm sure you're already well aware of.
Now where is that post where you gave permission to have your guest posts linked up. I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
Thanks for that retraction. Just trying to keep you honest.
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Excellent point. Nicole didnt seem to refute the comment when Clarke originally made it. It was only after Buchi was thouroughly embarrassed did they try and deny it. The fact is when I was there and well beyond my year spent incarcerated there that they would take anyone who could afford it, no matter the risk.
On that same note Peter where is the post where you gave permission to have your post linked? I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
This is true. Nicole made no attempt at denial of that fact. Neither did HLA proper. At that point it was already too late. And, as for kids having access to the office, many did. Many students were able to get into the admin offices and look through their own and other kids' files. It happened routinely until Len had the building burned down.
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Excellent point. Nicole didnt seem to refute the comment when Clarke originally made it. It was only after Buchi was thouroughly embarrassed did they try and deny it. The fact is when I was there and well beyond my year spent incarcerated there that they would take anyone who could afford it, no matter the risk.
On that same note Peter where is the post where you gave permission to have your post linked? I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
This is true. Nicole made no attempt at denial of that fact. Neither did HLA proper. At that point it was already too late. And, as for kids having access to the office, many did. Many students were able to get into the admin offices and look through their own and other kids' files. It happened routinely until Len had the building burned down.
More credible info. So fornits posters are the only ones that have evidence that Len burned down his own building. Are they doing HLA a favor by not passing this evidence over to the police or insurance company?
This is just one more poster making up stories to discredit a program, seems to be a routine recurring theme here. Show us the evidence that Len burned the building down. If the police dont listen to you then what are you going to do next? Tell them that you were abused there? or maybe raped? How far will you go with your story to get attention or discredit the place?
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Excellent point. Nicole didnt seem to refute the comment when Clarke originally made it. It was only after Buchi was thouroughly embarrassed did they try and deny it. The fact is when I was there and well beyond my year spent incarcerated there that they would take anyone who could afford it, no matter the risk.
On that same note Peter where is the post where you gave permission to have your post linked? I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
This is true. Nicole made no attempt at denial of that fact. Neither did HLA proper. At that point it was already too late. And, as for kids having access to the office, many did. Many students were able to get into the admin offices and look through their own and other kids' files. It happened routinely until Len had the building burned down.
I actually am aware of several instances where kids had access to office files as well. That building was never properly secured.
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More credible info. So fornits posters are the only ones that have evidence that Len burned down his own building. Are they doing HLA a favor by not passing this evidence over to the police or insurance company?
This is just one more poster making up stories to discredit a program, seems to be a routine recurring theme here. Show us the evidence that Len burned the building down. If the police dont listen to you then what are you going to do next? Tell them that you were abused there? or maybe raped? How far will you go with your story to get attention or discredit the place?
I think to got to the root of it, TheWho. Its all talk here on the HLA forum. Lets wait to see if they have anything credible to back up their stories. Next they will be trying to convince us they were abused there.
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Excellent point. Nicole didnt seem to refute the comment when Clarke originally made it. It was only after Buchi was thouroughly embarrassed did they try and deny it. The fact is when I was there and well beyond my year spent incarcerated there that they would take anyone who could afford it, no matter the risk.
On that same note Peter where is the post where you gave permission to have your post linked? I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
This is true. Nicole made no attempt at denial of that fact. Neither did HLA proper. At that point it was already too late. And, as for kids having access to the office, many did. Many students were able to get into the admin offices and look through their own and other kids' files. It happened routinely until Len had the building burned down.
I actually am aware of several instances where kids had access to office files as well. That building was never properly secured.
No, it wasn't. And there were plenty of other placed not secured either. The kids loved to hook up for sex by the lake or at the gym. And I believe the sexual offender molested another boy in the gym as well. Plenty of unsupervised activities going on at HLA. Combine that with sexual predators running loose, and you get what they had: sexually assaulted kids. Why does John continue to send kids to HLA in light of these assaults?
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More credible info. So fornits posters are the only ones that have evidence that Len burned down his own building. Are they doing HLA a favor by not passing this evidence over to the police or insurance company?
This is just one more poster making up stories to discredit a program, seems to be a routine recurring theme here. Show us the evidence that Len burned the building down. If the police dont listen to you then what are you going to do next? Tell them that you were abused there? or maybe raped? How far will you go with your story to get attention or discredit the place?
So when we read that the posters here have evidence that the owner burned his own place down. Why didnt they call the police or tip off the insurance company?
Reason: Because if it wasnt true they would be sued for slander.
So based on that evidence how many of the other posts( which serve to discredit HLA) are fabricated as well? Why would a poster stop with just accusing HLA of arson.. why not rape and abuse?
So the question remains:
Show us the evidence that Len burned the building down.
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Excellent point. Nicole didnt seem to refute the comment when Clarke originally made it. It was only after Buchi was thouroughly embarrassed did they try and deny it. The fact is when I was there and well beyond my year spent incarcerated there that they would take anyone who could afford it, no matter the risk.
On that same note Peter where is the post where you gave permission to have your post linked? I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
This is true. Nicole made no attempt at denial of that fact. Neither did HLA proper. At that point it was already too late. And, as for kids having access to the office, many did. Many students were able to get into the admin offices and look through their own and other kids' files. It happened routinely until Len had the building burned down.
I actually am aware of several instances where kids had access to office files as well. That building was never properly secured.
No, it wasn't. And there were plenty of other placed not secured either. The kids loved to hook up for sex by the lake or at the gym. And I believe the sexual offender molested another boy in the gym as well. Plenty of unsupervised activities going on at HLA. Combine that with sexual predators running loose, and you get what they had: sexually assaulted kids. Why does John continue to send kids to HLA in light of these assaults?
Not to mention the place is a fire-trap, as TheWho has been pointing out. Very, very risky gamble to send a kid there.
BTW, was Max allowed to go to his mom's funeral? I think that was the original question.
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More credible info. So fornits posters are the only ones that have evidence that Len burned down his own building. Are they doing HLA a favor by not passing this evidence over to the police or insurance company?
This is just one more poster making up stories to discredit a program, seems to be a routine recurring theme here. Show us the evidence that Len burned the building down. If the police dont listen to you then what are you going to do next? Tell them that you were abused there? or maybe raped? How far will you go with your story to get attention or discredit the place?
So when we read that the posters here have evidence that the owner burned his own place down. Why didnt they call the police or tip off the insurance company?
Reason: Because if it wasnt true they would be sued for slander.
So based on that evidence how many of the other posts( which serve to discredit HLA) are fabricated as well? Why would a poster stop with just accusing HLA of arson.. why not rape and abuse?
So the question remains:
Show us the evidence that Len burned the building down.
So,whats your question,Who? There is no evidence that he burned his place down. We just hate this place with a passion. How would you like to be placed in a program 24/7 and held accountable for everything you did for the first time in your life? Many kids at HLA never had enough structure at home because their parents were working all the time. Going from a free environment to one which is highly structured really sucks. Its hard work and many resent the program for doing this and would like to see the place shut down as revenge. So what if we said we were abused or raped. It felt like that to us. What else are we going to say? that we were forced to wake up at 8:00 and go to school, clean our rooms. People would laugh at us and say "Get over it".
So we have a little folly here and pretend that Len burned his own place down or that we were abused or raped. No harm done. We are not logged in. Everyone knows that if we were really abused then we would go to the police and if Len burned down his own place the insurance wouldnt pay off. but it is fun to dream here.
Hope that helps. Now move on and quit contaminating this forum!!
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Excellent point. Nicole didnt seem to refute the comment when Clarke originally made it. It was only after Buchi was thouroughly embarrassed did they try and deny it. The fact is when I was there and well beyond my year spent incarcerated there that they would take anyone who could afford it, no matter the risk.
On that same note Peter where is the post where you gave permission to have your post linked? I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
This is true. Nicole made no attempt at denial of that fact. Neither did HLA proper. At that point it was already too late. And, as for kids having access to the office, many did. Many students were able to get into the admin offices and look through their own and other kids' files. It happened routinely until Len had the building burned down.
I actually am aware of several instances where kids had access to office files as well. That building was never properly secured.
No, it wasn't. And there were plenty of other placed not secured either. The kids loved to hook up for sex by the lake or at the gym. And I believe the sexual offender molested another boy in the gym as well. Plenty of unsupervised activities going on at HLA. Combine that with sexual predators running loose, and you get what they had: sexually assaulted kids. Why does John continue to send kids to HLA in light of these assaults?
Not to mention the place is a fire-trap, as TheWho has been pointing out. Very, very risky gamble to send a kid there.
BTW, was Max allowed to go to his mom's funeral? I think that was the original question.
I heard he was NOT allowed to go. And then he started acting out relly bad at HLA. Why wouldn't they let him visit his mom while she was dying?
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More credible info. So fornits posters are the only ones that have evidence that Len burned down his own building. Are they doing HLA a favor by not passing this evidence over to the police or insurance company?
This is just one more poster making up stories to discredit a program, seems to be a routine recurring theme here. Show us the evidence that Len burned the building down. If the police dont listen to you then what are you going to do next? Tell them that you were abused there? or maybe raped? How far will you go with your story to get attention or discredit the place?
So when we read that the posters here have evidence that the owner burned his own place down. Why didnt they call the police or tip off the insurance company?
Reason: Because if it wasnt true they would be sued for slander.
So based on that evidence how many of the other posts( which serve to discredit HLA) are fabricated as well? Why would a poster stop with just accusing HLA of arson.. why not rape and abuse?
So the question remains:
Show us the evidence that Len burned the building down.
So,whats your question,Who? There is no evidence that he burned his place down. We just hate this place with a passion. How would you like to be placed in a program 24/7 and held accountable for everything you did for the first time in your life? Many kids at HLA never had enough structure at home because their parents were working all the time. Going from a free environment to one which is highly structured really sucks. Its hard work and many resent the program for doing this and would like to see the place shut down as revenge. So what if we said we were abused or raped. It felt like that to us. What else are we going to say? that we were forced to wake up at 8:00 and go to school, clean our rooms. People would laugh at us and say "Get over it".
So we have a little folly here and pretend that Len burned his own place down or that we were abused or raped. No harm done. We are not logged in. Everyone knows that if we were really abused then we would go to the police and if Len burned down his own place the insurance wouldnt pay off. but it is fun to dream here.
Hope that helps. Now move on and quit contaminating this forum!!
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Adjudicated children: There were a number of children who had been convicted of a crime and were sentenced to probation rather than jail time, part of that probation requirement was that they enroll and complete a program like HLA. Those adjudicated children that were remanded to HLA, kept a probation officer
and met with them throughtout their stay at HLA and were not appropriate for HLA's program. A letter was required from HLA to their probation officer stating the date of enrollment and date of projected completion. The child must then complete the program to fulfill his probation requirements. According to
documents I received, there was only one child that left HLA to fulfill jail time, then returned to complete HLA's program. There were children that were found guilty of blowing up a car, shooting out parent's window, incest, misdemeamor felonies, etc. This does not include psychiatric diagnosis of pedophilia, schizophrenia,bulemia, or any other 'patient' anomalies that were enrolled at HLA, per HLA tending psychiatrists reports. Again, if you wish to research this, there is a form you may fill out with the ORS under "Georgia's Sunshine Laws" which grants public access, thus to their reports on HLA(the hidden ones). The managing attorney for the ORS is Nina Edidin. According to Nina Edidin, at the time, she stated, she 'thought' in her letter to my attorney that the ORS only kept files for 2 years, but as we re-stated, we were fortunate that the request was under two years. Miraculously documents dated back to 1998, 2001, etc. appeared. A letter will not suffice as it took a year and a half seeking ORS compliance as a citizen, and only after a private attorney representing me, stepped in, did I receive actual investigative reports, including inter-office emails of all parties, including Assistant District Attorney Mark Cicero. Note: I was repeatedly told by the ORS that they did not understand what I was requesting. The ORS is shut tight to protect themselves where HLA is concerned and it is no different with LCSO as the ORS found in their investigation. What goes around, comes around. The cost is just over $700.00 and you shall receive paper documents, sloppily re-dacted, somewhere between 2500- 2900 pages. One may do the same with LCSO, there you will find the 911 calls within a short period of time 8 attempted suicides, 'Life flight', 5 run-aways, rape, etc. (co-operation, again is limited). The 911 call logs were also passed out during a Lumpkin County Board meeting re: Mountain Brook Academy. One may be able to call the Lumpkin County Board and ask for a copy of them.
These documents will provide answers to what you are asking of Robert and confirm what Robert states and unfortunately more regarding the politics in Georgia. Protection under the Law only seems to relate to Georgia's governing agencies covering their own arces as apparent throughout the ORS report.
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Adjudicated children: There were a number of children who had been convicted of a crime and were sentenced to probation rather than jail time, part of that probation requirement was that they enroll and complete a program like HLA. Those adjudicated children that were remanded to HLA, kept a probation officer
and met with them throughtout their stay at HLA and were not appropriate for HLA's program. A letter was required from HLA to their probation officer stating the date of enrollment and date of projected completion. The child must then complete the program to fulfill his probation requirements. According to
documents I received, there was only one child that left HLA to fulfill jail time, then returned to complete HLA's program. There were children that were found guilty of blowing up a car, shooting out parent's window, incest, misdemeamor felonies, etc. This does not include psychiatric diagnosis of pedophilia, schizophrenia,bulemia, or any other 'patient' anomalies that were enrolled at HLA, per HLA tending psychiatrists reports. Again, if you wish to research this, there is a form you may fill out with the ORS under "Georgia's Sunshine Laws" which grants public access, thus to their reports on HLA(the hidden ones). The managing attorney for the ORS is Nina Edidin. According to Nina Edidin, at the time, she stated, she 'thought' in her letter to my attorney that the ORS only kept files for 2 years, but as we re-stated, we were fortunate that the request was under two years. Miraculously documents dated back to 1998, 2001, etc. appeared. A letter will not suffice as it took a year and a half seeking ORS compliance as a citizen, and only after a private attorney representing me, stepped in, did I receive actual investigative reports, including inter-office emails of all parties, including Assistant District Attorney Mark Cicero. Note: I was repeatedly told by the ORS that they did not understand what I was requesting. The ORS is shut tight to protect themselves where HLA is concerned and it is no different with LCSO as the ORS found in their investigation. What goes around, comes around. The cost is just over $700.00 and you shall receive paper documents, sloppily re-dacted, somewhere between 2500- 2900 pages. One may do the same with LCSO, there you will find the 911 calls within a short period of time 8 attempted suicides, 'Life flight', 5 run-aways, rape, etc. (co-operation, again is limited). The 911 call logs were also passed out during a Lumpkin County Board meeting re: Mountain Brook Academy. One may be able to call the Lumpkin County Board and ask for a copy of them.
These documents will provide answers to what you are asking of Robert and confirm what Robert states and unfortunately more regarding the politics in Georgia. Protection under the Law only seems to relate to Georgia's governing agencies covering their own arces as apparent throughout the ORS report.
Thank you for posting this, Jill. It serves as an object lesson that HLA (and other programs) will do whatever they can to preclude this information from becoming public. If you'd like to send me copies of what you received, I'd be glad to scan the docs and make them (more) public.
I hope Mr. Reuben is reading this, as he enrolled his son at HLA while these events were transpiring. Either he didn't do his due diligence, or he didn't care about what he saw. In either case, a parent should ask themselves "Do I want John Reuben making decisions for my family?"
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Thank you Jill, I may request a copy myself, although I am not a Georgia resident. Not sure if that matters.
@ DJ, I looked Jills post over a couple of times and I didnt see where it stated that HLA did not want this information to become public. Can you point this out to me?
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FYI to everyone - a legal complaint does not make its accusations a fact. The e-mail contents of one person does not make the contents fact. Both have written rebuttals. Where are the rebuttals, here? Fornits is famous for quoting one side of an arguement, using hearsay as fact, or using other hearsay websites as sources of evidence. Be forewarned, don't expect good critical analyses on a Fornits website.
Thank you Thruthtroller. I have been fighting the one sided postings for quite some time now in an attempt to expose the truth.
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Uh, they wouldn't give any of this information to Jill. In fact, they lied about all of it. This means they didn't want anyone to know. If HLA did want Jill to know, why did they not give her the records? The whole point, Whooter, is that it cost her $700k, lots of lawyers and many years to get the info. This is just an example of how HLA and other facilities hide the truth. Do me a favor, give HLA a call, tape the call and ask them to give you all the information they have about crimes committed on campus and suicide attempts. Then play us the tape that says "none of that has ever happened here" just like you'd have parents believe, Whooter. Why don't you just ask Jill instead of asking DJ to explain Jill's experiences? Do your own busywork.
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FYI to everyone - a legal complaint does not make its accusations a fact. The e-mail contents of one person does not make the contents fact. Both have written rebuttals. Where are the rebuttals, here? Fornits is famous for quoting one side of an arguement, using hearsay as fact, or using other hearsay websites as sources of evidence. Be forewarned, don't expect good critical analyses on a Fornits website.
Thank you Thruthtroller. I have been fighting the one sided postings for quite some time now in an attempt to expose the truth.
Yes, Whooter, you've been ignorantly fighting one-sided posts by saying "There's no evidence and Robert is a liar." Jill has proved Robert is not a liar and that the ORS and local police have thousands of pages of documents related to crimes and suicide attemps at HLA. you just conveniently leave out what many of us have known here for years. You might be the only one "who" hasn't actually read the documents, so you're the ignoramus saying it's not true. I guess LCSO and ORS lied to Jill to make HLA look bad, huh?
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Adjudicated children: There were a number of children who had been convicted of a crime and were sentenced to probation rather than jail time, part of that probation requirement was that they enroll and complete a program like HLA. Those adjudicated children that were remanded to HLA, kept a probation officer
and met with them throughtout their stay at HLA and were not appropriate for HLA's program. A letter was required from HLA to their probation officer stating the date of enrollment and date of projected completion. The child must then complete the program to fulfill his probation requirements. According to
documents I received, there was only one child that left HLA to fulfill jail time, then returned to complete HLA's program. There were children that were found guilty of blowing up a car, shooting out parent's window, incest, misdemeamor felonies, etc. This does not include psychiatric diagnosis of pedophilia, schizophrenia,bulemia, or any other 'patient' anomalies that were enrolled at HLA, per HLA tending psychiatrists reports. Again, if you wish to research this, there is a form you may fill out with the ORS under "Georgia's Sunshine Laws" which grants public access, thus to their reports on HLA(the hidden ones). The managing attorney for the ORS is Nina Edidin. According to Nina Edidin, at the time, she stated, she 'thought' in her letter to my attorney that the ORS only kept files for 2 years, but as we re-stated, we were fortunate that the request was under two years. Miraculously documents dated back to 1998, 2001, etc. appeared. A letter will not suffice as it took a year and a half seeking ORS compliance as a citizen, and only after a private attorney representing me, stepped in, did I receive actual investigative reports, including inter-office emails of all parties, including Assistant District Attorney Mark Cicero. Note: I was repeatedly told by the ORS that they did not understand what I was requesting. The ORS is shut tight to protect themselves where HLA is concerned and it is no different with LCSO as the ORS found in their investigation. What goes around, comes around. The cost is just over $700.00 and you shall receive paper documents, sloppily re-dacted, somewhere between 2500- 2900 pages. One may do the same with LCSO, there you will find the 911 calls within a short period of time 8 attempted suicides, 'Life flight', 5 run-aways, rape, etc. (co-operation, again is limited). The 911 call logs were also passed out during a Lumpkin County Board meeting re: Mountain Brook Academy. One may be able to call the Lumpkin County Board and ask for a copy of them.
These documents will provide answers to what you are asking of Robert and confirm what Robert states and unfortunately more regarding the politics in Georgia. Protection under the Law only seems to relate to Georgia's governing agencies covering their own arces as apparent throughout the ORS report.
Thank you for posting this, Jill. It serves as an object lesson that HLA (and other programs) will do whatever they can to preclude this information from becoming public. If you'd like to send me copies of what you received, I'd be glad to scan the docs and make them (more) public.
I hope Mr. Reuben is reading this, as he enrolled his son at HLA while these events were transpiring. Either he didn't do his due diligence, or he didn't care about what he saw. In either case, a parent should ask themselves "Do I want John Reuben making decisions for my family?"
QFT.
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These documents will provide answers to what you are asking of Robert and confirm what Robert states...
I see...So it has been TheWho lying for some four plus years and NOT Robert after all.
Shame on you, Who, for lying about HLA and about RobertBruce. TheWho is a liar. And he's caught again. And Robert is vindicated (again).
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These documents will provide answers to what you are asking of Robert and confirm what Robert states...
I see...So it has been TheWho lying for some four plus years and NOT Robert after all.
Shame on you, Who, for lying about HLA and about RobertBruce. TheWho is a liar. And he's caught again. And Robert is vindicated (again).
Oh come on Bruce log-in, quit trolling again.
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Uh, they wouldn't give any of this information to Jill. In fact, they lied about all of it. This means they didn't want anyone to know. If HLA did want Jill to know, why did they not give her the records? The whole point, Whooter, is that it cost her $700k, lots of lawyers and many years to get the info. This is just an example of how HLA and other facilities hide the truth. Do me a favor, give HLA a call, tape the call and ask them to give you all the information they have about crimes committed on campus and suicide attempts. Then play us the tape that says "none of that has ever happened here" just like you'd have parents believe, Whooter. Why don't you just ask Jill instead of asking DJ to explain Jill's experiences? Do your own busywork.
Try calling any private school or business. Try calling your local Mcdonalds and ask for a record of their 911 calls and people who have been assaulted on their premises. They are not going to give them to you. No place will. It doesnt mean they dont want it to become public? It means they dont have the resources to make 2,700 copies for every Tom dick and Harry that happens to call. You wouldnt do it either.
You just like to spin it your way.
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ZThese documents will provide answers to what you are asking of Robert and confirm what Robert states...
I see...So it has been TheWho lying for some four plus years and NOT Robert after all.
Shame on you, Who, for lying about HLA and about RobertBruce. TheWho is a liar. And he's caught again. And Robert is vindicated (again).
Oh come on Bruce log-in, quit trolling again.
Uh-oh! Whootie caught in another whopper?! Stings, huh?
How about when HLA says "We don't take court ordered kids or sex offenders"? Isn't that sort of keeping the truth from the public because in reality they do both? Common sense says it is.
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So it seems we can agree that businesses shouldnt be tagged with "Not willing to release info to the public" because they wont release info to everyone that calls. I dont think you would fine any business willing to make 3,000 copies for everyone that calls.
It was nice to see that HLA is responsible and notifies the authorities when there is a problem at the school. There are many posters here who would have us believe that they are secretive and not transparent, but state documents confirm that HLA is fair and open with the authorities regarding their operations. So wecan but this question behind us.
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ZThese documents will provide answers to what you are asking of Robert and confirm what Robert states...
I see...So it has been TheWho lying for some four plus years and NOT Robert after all.
Shame on you, Who, for lying about HLA and about RobertBruce. TheWho is a liar. And he's caught again. And Robert is vindicated (again).
Oh come on Bruce log-in, quit trolling again.
Uh-oh! Whootie caught in another whopper?! Stings, huh?
How about when HLA says "We don't take court ordered kids or sex offenders"? Isn't that sort of keeping the truth from the public because in reality they do both? Common sense says it is.
Yes.
And lying to parents about taking sex offenders, pedophiles and rapists is the same as "hiding the truth." We agree on that.
We also agree that HLA has had many, many incidents that you (Whootie) have denied here before, but we now see they are indeed true.
And last but not least, we see RobertBruce told the trth about HLA and you lied. That about sums up almost five years of your trolling RB, but, at last, Robert has proven his case and you look like an idiot.
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Tisk,Tisk,Tisk..... We still have the small issue of abuse. The documents indicated that abuse never occured at HLA and also we need to clear up this little mess:
More credible info. So fornits posters are the only ones that have evidence that Len burned down his own building. Are they doing HLA a favor by not passing this evidence over to the police or insurance company?
This is just one more poster making up stories to discredit a program, seems to be a routine recurring theme here. Show us the evidence that Len burned the building down. If the police dont listen to you then what are you going to do next? Tell them that you were abused there? or maybe raped? How far will you go with your story to get attention or discredit the place?
So when we read that the posters here have evidence that the owner burned his own place down. Why didnt they call the police or tip off the insurance company?
Reason: Because if it wasnt true they would be sued for slander.
So based on that evidence how many of the other posts( which serve to discredit HLA) are fabricated as well? Why would a poster stop with just accusing HLA of arson.. why not rape and abuse?
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Seems mister Bruce has some splanin to do. Where is the abuse evidence and the arson evidence?
Hmmmm.....
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Evidence of abuse? It's in the mail Peter. Or didnt you hear about that HLA chose to settle with us rather then face and lose and lengthy and costly court battle in which even more dirty laundry was set to be aired.
Even if that somehow wasn't enough can you explain why not just former inmates, but parents, and former staff members, covering a 14 year period are all saying abuse is rampant there, and citing specific examples of it.
I wonder what you personally consider abuse though. I am genuinely interested to know.
As to the fire, I actually never claimed it was arson, nor did I insinuate as much. I do find it odd though that not only did numerous records which Len was being hounded for disappear in the fire, but the chapel fund somehow did as well. What are your thoughts on that?
Also on a side note Ginger has offered to verify for you whether or not I am guest posting (I'm not). Any specific post you'd like to attribute to me before she enlightens you?
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Evidence of abuse? It's in the mail Peter. Or didnt you hear about that HLA chose to settle with us rather then face and lose and lengthy and costly court battle in which even more dirty laundry was set to be aired.
Even if that somehow wasn't enough can you explain why not just former inmates, but parents, and former staff members, covering a 14 year period are all saying abuse is rampant there, and citing specific examples of it.
I wonder what you personally consider abuse though. I am genuinely interested to know.
As to the fire, I actually never claimed it was arson, nor did I insinuate as much. I do find it odd though that not only did numerous records which Len was being hounded for disappear in the fire, but the chapel fund somehow did as well. What are your thoughts on that?
Also on a side note Ginger has offered to verify for you whether or not I am guest posting (I'm not). Any specific post you'd like to attribute to me before she enlightens you?
...that muffled silence is the sound of a program pimp named peter trying to think his way out of his ass.
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So out of almost 3,000 pages not one mention of abuse?
Another note that was overlooked:
So when we read that the posters here have evidence that the owner burned his own place down. Why didnt they call the police or tip off the insurance company?
Reason: Because if it wasnt true they would be sued for slander.
So based on that evidence how many of the other posts( which serve to discredit HLA) are fabricated as well? Why would a poster stop with just accusing HLA of arson.. why not rape and abuse?
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FYI to everyone - a legal complaint does not make its accusations a fact. The e-mail contents of one person does not make the contents fact. Both have written rebuttals. Where are the rebuttals, here? Fornits is famous for quoting one side of an arguement, using hearsay as fact, or using other hearsay websites as sources of evidence. Be forewarned, don't expect good critical analyses on a Fornits website.
Good point, this should be considered when reading posts here on the web too.
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So out of almost 3,000 pages not one mention of abuse?
Another note that was overlooked:
So when we read that the posters here have evidence that the owner burned his own place down. Why didnt they call the police or tip off the insurance company?
Reason: Because if it wasnt true they would be sued for slander.
So based on that evidence how many of the other posts( which serve to discredit HLA) are fabricated as well? Why would a poster stop with just accusing HLA of arson.. why not rape and abuse?
Peter, why the hesistancy to answer a simple question. What do you consider abuse?
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Also on a side note Ginger has offered to verify for you whether or not I am guest posting (I'm not). Any specific post you'd like to attribute to me before she enlightens you?
As she goes thru them she will also notice that the majority of my posts are "Guest" posts since Ursus took over my account. I am not posting as "TheWho" as you would like everyone to believe.
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I have no problem sharing these docs where public figures are concerned. As far as I am concerned, let the chips fall on them all, although it has been very apparent in Georgia, that shall never be the case. However, since there is privileged information( ORS missed um-teen redactions of minors names on private medical and counseling forms, incident reports, etc., which in itself is egregious ) regarding minors and also staff S.S #'s, addresses etc. - there I have a problem. Email me.
Also, regarding the fire at HLA...the school building did not just burn down to the ground, it was "obliterated", almost like an implosion, as the plants were left in tact. The fire Marshall (one may call him) stated there was nothing left to determine how it burned....which, again, in itself, was highly unusual for a school fire.
With regard to abuse, abuse comes in many forms and disguises. Attempting to diminish what was essentially 'allowed' to transpire exhibits a total lack of respect for the victims of HLA.
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As she goes thru them she will also notice that the majority of my posts are "Guest" posts since Ursus took over my account. I am not posting as "TheWho" as you would like everyone to believe
I never claimed you were currently posting as "TheWho", you lost that ability months ago. You however routinely address guest posters as if they are me. You have claimed that I systematically "attack from the shadows". I'm giving you a chance right now to prove it. Pick any guest post from the last 60 days you think is me ,and Ginger will verify whether it is or isnt me. Not to spoil it, but it isnt. After that you will make good on your earlier promises.
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As she goes thru them she will also notice that the majority of my posts are "Guest" posts since Ursus took over my account. I am not posting as "TheWho" as you would like everyone to believe
I never claimed you were currently posting as "TheWho", you lost that ability months ago. You however routinely address guest posters as if they are me. You have claimed that I systematically "attack from the shadows". I'm giving you a chance right now to prove it. Pick any guest post from the last 60 days you think is me ,and Ginger will verify whether it is or isnt me. Not to spoil it, but it isnt. After that you will make good on your earlier promises.
Bruce, I think you had too much wine. It is you who thinks all the attacks against you were from me. But it seems there are many posters who feel about you as I do. I am not one to go back and look at old posts, There are no specifics I am interested in.
I would like to get to the bottom of this arson problem and allegations of abuse which failed to materialize. Seems there are stories floating around that this occured at HLA but the evidence says otherwise. There are posters who are not being very truthful.
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BUT MAYBE IF I PRETEND HARD ENOUGH
I CAN TURN EVERYONE AGAINST HIM
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Bruce, I think you had too much wine. It is you who thinks all the attacks against you were from me. But it seems there are many posters who feel about you as I do. I am not one to go back and look at old posts, There are no specifics I am interested in
Nope, nothing to drink for me last night. To answer your question I would say it appears you're doing a little back peddaling again. You actually thought I was lying about guest posting, and now that you're about to be proven wrong, you claim you're no longer interested? Come on Peter, at least stand a little bit of your ground. As for attacks, I've never claimed you, or anyone else has attacked me, mostly because I know you arent capable of such a feat. What I have done is responded to your comments. You on the other hand have claimed to have been attacked, and often claim it is me guest posting. Look, this is just one page back.
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Jill Ryan wrote:
These documents will provide answers to what you are asking of Robert and confirm what Robert states...
I see...So it has been TheWho lying for some four plus years and NOT Robert after all.
Shame on you, Who, for lying about HLA and about RobertBruce. TheWho is a liar. And he's caught again. And Robert is vindicated (again).
Oh come on Bruce log-in, quit trolling again.
So come on Peter, its clear you felt it was me all along. Now's your chance. Pick a guest post you think is mine and we can clear it up right now.
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I would like to get to the bottom of this arson problem and allegations of abuse which failed to materialize. Seems there are stories floating around that this occured at HLA but the evidence says otherwise. There are posters who are not being very truthful
Well you've yet to answer the question: What do you consider to be abuse.
As to other allegations, things you're already aware of, and have been verified by programmies of HLA have been the starvation diet on restrictions, and work assignment details. Just because you dont believe them doesnt make it false Peter.
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I have no problem sharing these docs where public figures are concerned. As far as I am concerned, let the chips fall on them all, although it has been very apparent in Georgia, that shall never be the case. However, since there is privileged information( ORS missed um-teen redactions of minors names on private medical and counseling forms, incident reports, etc., which in itself is egregious ) regarding minors and also staff S.S #'s, addresses etc. - there I have a problem. Email me.
Also, regarding the fire at HLA...the school building did not just burn down to the ground, it was "obliterated", almost like an implosion, as the plants were left in tact. The fire Marshall (one may call him) stated there was nothing left to determine how it burned....which, again, in itself, was highly unusual for a school fire.
With regard to abuse, abuse comes in many forms and disguises. Attempting to diminish what was essentially 'allowed' to transpire exhibits a total lack of respect for the victims of HLA.
So now TheWho claims Jill, Robert, DJ and host of other people with experience surrounding HLA, the Lumpkin County Sherriff's Office, Emergency Responders and ORS are all lying about suicide attempts, assaults, sexual assaults and various and sundry other emergencies including a "Life Flight' MedEvac of a girl who hung herself at HLA? Wow, Who, you've really slipped the tracks.
I also see that after you pounded RB for months about guest posts (of which he actually made zero) now you don't want to follow up when Ginger says she'll accommodate your request. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Showing your weakness again, pipsqueak...
I thought slavery was illegal, but RB owns TheWho, period.
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Well you've yet to answer the question: What do you consider to be abuse.
As to other allegations, things you're already aware of, and have been verified by programmies of HLA have been the starvation diet on restrictions, and work assignment details. Just because you dont believe them doesnt make it false Peter.
Out of the almost 3,000 pages on HLA there are documented suicide attempts, run aways , all their 911 calls but there hasn’t been any abuse. Why is that?
Your word doesn’t count, Bruce because it has already been established that you do not tell the truth.
Let me ask you something. If posters like yourself come onto fornits and make up stories about the owner burning down buildings in an attempt to discredit the place why would they stop at that. Why not say HLA tried to starve them to death or work them to death? Or abuse them like you would have readers believe. Where are the police reports which support this so called abuse. I didnt see the report mention starvation attempts and excessive labor.
As far as your posts are concerned. Just let us know when you have them all linked together. The only reason you would not have this done is if you had something to hide. I have done it a few times. If you are honest like I am then just have it done. We will take a look at them then.
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Adjudicated children: There were a number of children who had been convicted of a crime and were sentenced to probation rather than jail time, part of that probation requirement was that they enroll and complete a program like HLA. Those adjudicated children that were remanded to HLA, kept a probation officer
and met with them throughtout their stay at HLA and were not appropriate for HLA's program. A letter was required from HLA to their probation officer stating the date of enrollment and date of projected completion. The child must then complete the program to fulfill his probation requirements. According to
documents I received, there was only one child that left HLA to fulfill jail time, then returned to complete HLA's program. There were children that were found guilty of blowing up a car, shooting out parent's window, incest, misdemeamor felonies, etc. This does not include psychiatric diagnosis of pedophilia, schizophrenia,bulemia, or any other 'patient' anomalies that were enrolled at HLA, per HLA tending psychiatrists reports. Again, if you wish to research this, there is a form you may fill out with the ORS under "Georgia's Sunshine Laws" which grants public access, thus to their reports on HLA(the hidden ones). The managing attorney for the ORS is Nina Edidin. According to Nina Edidin, at the time, she stated, she 'thought' in her letter to my attorney that the ORS only kept files for 2 years, but as we re-stated, we were fortunate that the request was under two years. Miraculously documents dated back to 1998, 2001, etc. appeared. A letter will not suffice as it took a year and a half seeking ORS compliance as a citizen, and only after a private attorney representing me, stepped in, did I receive actual investigative reports, including inter-office emails of all parties, including Assistant District Attorney Mark Cicero. Note: I was repeatedly told by the ORS that they did not understand what I was requesting. The ORS is shut tight to protect themselves where HLA is concerned and it is no different with LCSO as the ORS found in their investigation. What goes around, comes around. The cost is just over $700.00 and you shall receive paper documents, sloppily re-dacted, somewhere between 2500- 2900 pages. One may do the same with LCSO, there you will find the 911 calls within a short period of time 8 attempted suicides, 'Life flight', 5 run-aways, rape, etc. (co-operation, again is limited). The 911 call logs were also passed out during a Lumpkin County Board meeting re: Mountain Brook Academy. One may be able to call the Lumpkin County Board and ask for a copy of them.
These documents will provide answers to what you are asking of Robert and confirm what Robert states and unfortunately more regarding the politics in Georgia. Protection under the Law only seems to relate to Georgia's governing agencies covering their own arces as apparent throughout the ORS report.
Who's lying, now??
So can anyone explain why Max was forbidden from going to his mother's funeral? Still waiting for that. I also think it's abuse to prevent a child from seeing his dying mother or going to her funeral. That's pure psychological abuse, which HLA runs in spades.
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Well you've yet to answer the question: What do you consider to be abuse.
As to other allegations, things you're already aware of, and have been verified by programmies of HLA have been the starvation diet on restrictions, and work assignment details. Just because you dont believe them doesnt make it false Peter.
Out of the almost 3,000 pages on HLA there are documented suicide attempts, run aways , all their 911 calls but there hasn’t been any abuse. Why is that?
Your word doesn’t count, Bruce because it has already been established that you do not tell the truth.
Let me ask you something. If posters like yourself come onto fornits and make up stories about the owner burning down buildings in an attempt to discredit the place why would they stop at that. Why not say HLA tried to starve them to death or work them to death? Or abuse them like you would have readers believe. Where are the police reports which support this so called abuse. I didnt see the report mention starvation attempts and excessive labor.
As far as your posts are concerned. Just let us know when you have them all linked together. The only reason you would not have this done is if you had something to hide. I have done it a few times. If you are honest like I am then just have it done. We will take a look at them then.
No there wasnt any mention of arson, starvation, excessive labor or abuse. Those were made up to try to make HLA look bad. We can see from the report that HLA is open with their information. They call the authorities/911 when a child tries to harm themselves or if a child is raped. In fact they have been known to be overly cautious where the children are concerned i.e. in at least one instance they called in a "life flight copter" after a child attempted to take their life. These are the same procedures used in the public school system when the same events occur.
So if posters here claim there was arson or they were abused these accounts and details would be in the report also. But they are not.
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I would give RobertBruce a chance to explain himself before throwing him under the bus. Maybe they missed the part in the report where HLA tried to starve him to death or used excessive physical labor as an abuse tactic. Give him time to bring the evidence to the table before convicting him. Although the report did seem thorough.
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I would give RobertBruce a chance to explain himself before throwing him under the bus. Maybe they missed the part in the report where HLA tried to starve him to death or used excessive physical labor as an abuse tactic. Give him time to bring the evidence to the table before convicting him. Although the report did seem thorough.
So between last night and this morning you requested, received, read and critiqued a 3000 page report, huh, whooter? More lying, huh?
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I would give RobertBruce a chance to explain himself before throwing him under the bus. Maybe they missed the part in the report where HLA tried to starve him to death or used excessive physical labor as an abuse tactic. Give him time to bring the evidence to the table before convicting him. Although the report did seem thorough.
So between last night and this morning you requested, received, read and critiqued a 3000 page report, huh, whooter? More lying, huh?
If you go back afew pages you will see that "Jill" has the report. There was no mention of Attempted Starvation or Excessive physical labor nor arson. Lets give Bruce a chance before we call him a liar, but if it isnt in the report then we know he made it up.
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I would give RobertBruce a chance to explain himself before throwing him under the bus. Maybe they missed the part in the report where HLA tried to starve him to death or used excessive physical labor as an abuse tactic. Give him time to bring the evidence to the table before convicting him. Although the report did seem thorough.
So between last night and this morning you requested, received, read and critiqued a 3000 page report, huh, whooter? More lying, huh?
If you go back afew pages you will see that "Jill" has the report. There was no mention of Attempted Starvation or Excessive physical labor nor arson. Lets give Bruce a chance before we call him a liar, but if it isnt in the report then we know he made it up.
Can you quote where RB accused anyone of arson? I think you made that up.
Having read the report, and believing Jill when she paraphrases it, it appears what Jill said is true: it substantiates Robert's claims and dismisses yours. Now, if you can prove otherwise, please, do so.
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Well, if you can find where it says that HLA tried to starve people to death or used excessive physical labor then I think RobertBruce might get a break here, otherwise he is still on the hook to substantiate his allegations.
Again, I dont think there is any need for a witch hunt on this. Lets give Bruce a chance to talk to Jill or whoever he needs to to provide proof of his allegations against HLA. Now that the reports are out and we see HLA was above board the whole time, RobertBruce needs to back up his words. But lets give him time.
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I would give RobertBruce a chance to explain himself before throwing him under the bus. Maybe they missed the part in the report where HLA tried to starve him to death or used excessive physical labor as an abuse tactic. Give him time to bring the evidence to the table before convicting him. Although the report did seem thorough.
So between last night and this morning you requested, received, read and critiqued a 3000 page report, huh, whooter? More lying, huh?
If you go back afew pages you will see that "Jill" has the report. There was no mention of Attempted Starvation or Excessive physical labor nor arson. Lets give Bruce a chance before we call him a liar, but if it isnt in the report then we know he made it up.
Can you quote where RB accused anyone of arson? I think you made that up.
Having read the report, and believing Jill when she paraphrases it, it appears what Jill said is true: it substantiates Robert's claims and dismisses yours. Now, if you can prove otherwise, please, do so.
If you go back afew pages you will see that "Jill" has the report. There was no mention of Attempted Starvation or Excessive physical labor nor arson. Lets give Bruce a chance before we call him a liar, but if it isnt in the report then we know he made it up.
Jill says the report substantiates Robert's claims. Thanks for pointing that out, Who.
These documents will provide answers to what you are asking of Robert and confirm what Robert states.
Now, I'd like to discuss suicide attempts, rapes, assaults, 911 calls, etc. Previously you had stated that people referencing these incidents and their reportage were "liars." In light of these facts you seem to have uncovered for yourself, would you like to revise your statement and let everyone know you were wrong about HLA's sordid history? Thanks.
I also wonder why Max was placed here considering the public laundry list of assaults, rapes, etc that occurred on campus. Why would you place Max there, John, when you knew of all of the abuse?
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Well, if you can find where it says that HLA tried to starve people to death or used excessive physical labor then I think RobertBruce might get a break here, otherwise he is still on the hook to substantiate his allegations.
Again, I dont think there is any need for a witch hunt on this. Lets give Bruce a chance to talk to Jill or whoever he needs to to provide proof of his allegations against HLA. Now that the reports are out and we see HLA was above board the whole time, RobertBruce needs to back up his words. But lets give him time.
I agree we shouldnt string up MR Bruce. But it would be nice to see evidence of starvation and excessive physical labor. I am sure after he put on enough weight he would have gotten some strength up and gone to the police. So there would be a 911 call or a police record in the ORS report. We will wait for that instead of speculating. RobertBruce should be considered innocent until he clears himself
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Now, I'd like to discuss suicide attempts, rapes, assaults, 911 calls, etc. Previously you had stated that people referencing these incidents and their reportage were "liars." In light of these facts you seem to have uncovered for yourself, would you like to revise your statement and let everyone know you were wrong about HLA's sordid history? Thanks.
I also wonder why Max was placed here considering the public laundry list of assaults, rapes, etc that occurred on campus. Why would you place Max there, John, when you knew of all of the abuse?
What about those rapes and assaults that are so well documented in the report? Would you still recommend HLA considering the incontrovertible police and ORS evidence of rapes and assaults? Are the poeple who you called "liars" before when they told you this now vindicated? Would you like to apologize for calling raped kids liars? Beaten kids liars?
How about just simply admitting you were wrong? Is that too much to ask in light of the fact that the proof you have been demanding shows that HLA is very dangerous place? It's just an apology and an admission of wrongdoing, much the same as HLA was forced into. Let's see who the grownups are here, shall we?
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Yes, they used food as punishment. While on restrictions you had a limited number of minutes to eat. If you didn't throw your food away when trash came by you were further punished. If you talked during the meal, which was taken outside away from the group, your meal would be taken away.
...it appears they aborted this practice years ago but still I dont understand why they would do this or what they expected to gain. Pissing the kid off more or having them malnourished isnt going to help things from an educational perspective or emotional one.
Oh, I guess never mind about the "restrictions diet" meme you've been going on about. It appears you already acknowledged and admitted it years ago along with an admission that you couldn't see any value in doing it. Just want to set the record straight that what you're demanding Robert produce now is something you already admitted to several years ago. So much for "honest dialogue" huh, Whooter. Maybe you should read your own posts before you call Robert a liar, as you've just called yourself one. Stings, huh?
Now, my question is for John Reuben. Since HLA has been "very transparent" in reporting the crimes that happen on its campus, which are plentiful, 3000 pages of violations, etc. in the ORS report, why did you send Max there knowing it was a very dangerous environment? Why did you send a glue-sniffer to a facility that houses sex offenders, rapists, pedophiles and parolees from juvie prisons?
And why did you think it appropriate to keep Max from visiting his dying mother or attending her funeral?
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If you take a look at the time lines and occurances you will see that HLA is far safer than any other possible placement for children at risk. HLA is much better prepared to react to attempted suicides than if the child was at home and the parents were at work or the child attempted suicide outside the home. HLA keeps a close eye on the children.
The report shows that HLA is very transparent with their handling of problems that occur inside Boarding schools for troubled teens. I dont think many private boarding schools could claim this.
This puts to rest any speculation as to secrecy and coverups that many posters here would say about HLA. Try calling any of your private schools in your area and ask to see their report.
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It makes documentary evidence that HLA does indeed take suicidal kids, violent kids, sexual predators, pedophiles and rapists, all of which they deny doing. Funny how that knife cuts both ways, huh?
I wonder how HLA's public statement that "We don't take violent kids" squares with what you just posted, Who? How can outright lies be construed as "transparency"? Whootie is pullin' a Palin on us I think.
Please explain how "lying to regulators and the public" = "transparency". Thanks.
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On the contrary, the ORS report and the GAO findings were notpositive in any light for Buccellato or HLA. The documents were not a positive reflection on LCSO, the ORS, or the GEORGIA GAO, who according to the Federal GAO agents, dropped the ball beyond belief and common decency. Each and every agency protected themselves. The only entities that did their job and worked endless hours, were the ORS investigative agents and they were lied to. When one speaks with devastated, sobbing parents, then reads what the LCSO told the ORS agents, it is simply disgusting and egregious. HLA was in over it's head, period. Buccellato accepted children that were not acceptable to the program, it was not an asylum. Afterall, in it's inception it was an "Academic Boarding School with Special Purpose". As the ORS stated, Buccellato's psychology license only allowed him to supervise three supervisees(counselors) and Buccellato was supervising twelve as there was no one licensed and Buccellato was never there. There was no one educated on staff to handle detox, pedophilia, sociopathy, schizophrenia, bulemia,incest, rape, and the list goes on. That in itself is abusive, not to mention deplorable. It is an an abuse of power,an ethical breach, and an abuse of the children in his care. According to the Psychology Board, for the only three Supervisees, Buccellato was to be present for in-take - never was. Plus, he signed off on the childrens counseling forms...and never saw the children. DId the ORS take this and nine other violations to Georgia's Psychology Board to revoke Buccellato's license? Doubtful. In Georgia, every turn places one up against a brick wall, it is like an insulary, inbred family, run like the Mob. When the LSCO states to the ORS that "it is very political and 'he' is very well connected in Atlanta" that pretty well spells it out. The Federal GAO agents knew it, but as they stated, they had no arrest or prosecutorial authority. Did they make recommendations for further investigation? They will not disclose.
It is your 1st Amendment Right to sit and pontificate about something you truly know nothing about... however, a 'just 'man is not blinded by the arm of evil...unless one is on the 'payroll'.
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On the contrary, the ORS report and the GAO findings were notpositive in any light for Buccellato or HLA. The documents were not a positive reflection on LCSO, the ORS, or the GEORGIA GAO, who according to the Federal GAO agents, dropped the ball beyond belief and common decency. Each and every agency protected themselves. The only entities that did their job and worked endless hours, were the ORS investigative agents and they were lied to. When one speaks with devastated, sobbing parents, then reads what the LCSO told the ORS agents, it is simply disgusting and egregious. HLA was in over it's head, period. Buccellato accepted children that were not acceptable to the program, it was not an asylum. Afterall, in it's inception it was an "Academic Boarding School with Special Purpose". As the ORS stated, Buccellato's psychology license only allowed him to supervise three supervisees(counselors) and Buccellato was supervising twelve as there was no one licensed and Buccellato was never there. There was no one educated on staff to handle detox, pedophilia, sociopathy, schizophrenia, bulemia,incest, rape, and the list goes on. That in itself is abusive, not to mention deplorable. It is an an abuse of power,an ethical breach, and an abuse of the children in his care. According to the Psychology Board, for the only three Supervisees, Buccellato was to be present for in-take - never was. Plus, he signed off on the childrens counseling forms...and never saw the children. DId the ORS take this and nine other violations to Georgia's Psychology Board to revoke Buccellato's license? Doubtful. In Georgia, every turn places one up against a brick wall, it is like an insulary, inbred family, run like the Mob. When the LSCO states to the ORS that "it is very political and 'he' is very well connected in Atlanta" that pretty well spells it out. The Federal GAO agents knew it, but as they stated, they had no arrest or prosecutorial authority. Did they make recommendations for further investigation? They will not disclose.
It is your 1st Amendment Right to sit and pontificate about something you truly know nothing about... however, a 'just 'man is not blinded by the arm of evil...unless one is on the 'payroll'.
I think Jill Ryan's boot is so far up Whooties ass that he tastes the shoe polish.
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Whooter, you still haven't answered the question: What do you consider to be abuse?
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While you're pondering that look over this:
As a former HLA staff member (counseling staff) I can say with certainty that the "restrictions diet" did indeed exist and was comprised of the items listed by RB. Several other staff members (including Chris Allen, who was pretty high on the food chain) have stated it outright on this board and concur with RB's assessment that it was comprised of what he enumerated and that it was WRONG and UNETHICAL. Your claims, FJ, don't pass the smell test, as this issue has been admitted many times before by several staffers and even Suzanne Gray, a nearly blind HLA supporter, who again verified that there was a "restrictions diet" that she saw administered to children first hand. Sorry, FJ, but your claims don't jive with reality.
I personally have seen incidents of staff-on-child abuse on several occasions and reported it up the chain where it was propmtly buried and I was told I didn't "understand the program and how it works."
I have made several reports to ORS and CPS and finally, after several YEARS of dogged persistence those claims, and those of others, those reports were properly investigated at HLA (came in with a warrant) and at Ridge Creek (normal ORS investigation) and the result is that HLA was found to be acting outside the law and is now forced into being licensed and Ridge Creek was cited for thirty some odd violations INCLUDING taking HLA "restrictions kids" without paperwork and providing them with INADEQUATE NUTRITION, amongst other neglectful/abusive/illegal acts.
So, FJ, huff and puff all you want, but ORS' violations sheet from RC is as long as your arm and documented fact. HLA was found to be providing services ILLEGALLY and will now have to be licensed as a result. And here you are wanting readers to believe this happened in a VACUUM. You're a dissembler and a prevaricator - that's not namecalling, it's an objective, professional assessment of your nonsense and lies. The preponderance of evidence contraindicates the whimsical nonsense you are posting here - it's fact and it's public record
Go peddle that garbage elsewhere.
How does lying and manipulating to protect known child abusers square with being a "Christian," I wonder? I suppose it's just dandy with you in your materialist quest to earn money from childrens' suffering, but you also will be judged in this life and the next. Good luck with that. Bring an asbestos suit! You're going to need it...
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We talked about the restriction diet years ago Brucie. If you look back on the posts you will see that HLA addressed this long ago. But what we are looking for is evidence of starvation. Starvation is the most severe form of malnutrition. Emerging from this would take a few days of hospitalization. There should be records to support your allegations. Bruce. Unless you made this all up.
Bruce talked about this and being forced into hard labor. The insurance company paid for the fire damages so there was no sign of arson.
Now, when can we expect your posts to be linked up? I have done this twice in the past without conditions. Be a man and get the job done. Then come back and tell us when it is done...you have 3,275 posts as of this one. What is it that you are trying to hide?
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Now, when can we expect your posts to be linked up? I have done this twice in the past without conditions. Be a man and get the job done. Then come back and tell us when it is done...you have 3,275 posts as of this one. What is it that you are trying to hide?
Not a thing Peter. You somehow keep missing my offer. Pick any guest post you think might be me. If you're right what do you have to lose? On the other hand if I'm right and I havent been guest posting, then there's nothing to link up is there? Either way you've seen my request made on multiple occasions. So go ahead and pick a post so we can move forward to you linking yours up.
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While you're dodging that consider my other question.
Are you genuinely interested in learning the truth about HLA, or are you just going to play your usual games?
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Now, when can we expect your posts to be linked up? I have done this twice in the past without conditions. Be a man and get the job done. Then come back and tell us when it is done...you have 3,275 posts as of this one. What is it that you are trying to hide?
Not a thing Peter. You somehow keep missing my offer. Pick any guest post you think might be me. If you're right what do you have to lose? On the other hand if I'm right and I havent been guest posting, then there's nothing to link up is there? Either way you've seen my request made on multiple occasions. So go ahead and pick a post so we can move forward to you linking yours up.
So you are not going to have your posts linked together? I think we already knew this. If you didnt have anything to hide you would just have it done. Seems our friend Devin errr Brucie has been disguising himself as other posters.. tsk tsk
come on RobertBruce, come clean like I have several times and prove to us that you dont guest post. You dont have to do any work... Let us know your decision.
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So you're saying that you can't come up with a single guest post you think belongs to me? Good. It's about time you finally got the fact that I haven't been guest posting. I'm glad you've accepted that, now we can move on to you providing the post where you gave permission to have your guest posts linked. I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
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It makes documentary evidence that HLA does indeed take suicidal kids, violent kids, sexual predators, pedophiles and rapists, all of which they deny doing. Funny how that knife cuts both ways, huh?
I wonder how HLA's public statement that "We don't take violent kids" squares with what you just posted, Who? How can outright lies be construed as "transparency"? Whootie is pullin' a Palin on us I think.
Please explain how "lying to regulators and the public" = "transparency". Thanks.
Still waiting for this explanation. And still waiting for an explanation as to why this boy's mom's funeral was used as a tool to control him and he wan't allowed to attend. What therapeutic value does this approach have?
John, with over 2500 pages of abuse reported by the ORS, why do you send kids to HLA?
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So you're saying that you can't come up with a single guest post you think belongs to me? Good. It's about time you finally got the fact that I haven't been guest posting. I'm glad you've accepted that, now we can move on to you providing the post where you gave permission to have your guest posts linked. I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
So, it seems you do have something to hide after all, Bruce. It always surfaces if you give it enough time. As of today you have 3,280 posts as "RobertBruce". How many guest posts did you say you had? 2 or 3? I dont remember. There is no work involved on your end. If you truely are telling the truth then you will do what needs to be done and show all the readers.
If it is not done then it will further confirm that you are not truthful on the board here. (Many of us all ready know this).
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It makes documentary evidence that HLA does indeed take suicidal kids, violent kids, sexual predators, pedophiles and rapists, all of which they deny doing. Funny how that knife cuts both ways, huh?
I wonder how HLA's public statement that "We don't take violent kids" squares with what you just posted, Who? How can outright lies be construed as "transparency"? Whootie is pullin' a Palin on us I think.
Please explain how "lying to regulators and the public" = "transparency". Thanks.
Still waiting for this explanation. And still waiting for an explanation as to why this boy's mom's funeral was used as a tool to control him and he wan't allowed to attend. What therapeutic value does this approach have?
John, with over 2500 pages of abuse reported by the ORS, why do you send kids to HLA?
Please explain your behavior, John. I see why you desperately want to avoid this, but you can't.
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It makes documentary evidence that HLA does indeed take suicidal kids, violent kids, sexual predators, pedophiles and rapists, all of which they deny doing. Funny how that knife cuts both ways, huh?
I wonder how HLA's public statement that "We don't take violent kids" squares with what you just posted, Who? How can outright lies be construed as "transparency"? Whootie is pullin' a Palin on us I think.
Please explain how "lying to regulators and the public" = "transparency". Thanks.
Still waiting for this explanation. And still waiting for an explanation as to why this boy's mom's funeral was used as a tool to control him and he wan't allowed to attend. What therapeutic value does this approach have?
John, with over 2500 pages of abuse reported by the ORS, why do you send kids to HLA?
Please explain your behavior, John. I see why you desperately want to avoid this, but you can't.
*bump*
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It fun to watch Bruce get frustrated when he knows he needs to make a decision... tick tick tick. Will he reveal his guest posts or not?
The HLA/ASR smear campaign is making the programs look better than we thought... never knew they had such a high success rate!!
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It makes documentary evidence that HLA does indeed take suicidal kids, violent kids, sexual predators, pedophiles and rapists, all of which they deny doing. Funny how that knife cuts both ways, huh?
I wonder how HLA's public statement that "We don't take violent kids" squares with what you just posted, Who? How can outright lies be construed as "transparency"? Whootie is pullin' a Palin on us I think.
Please explain how "lying to regulators and the public" = "transparency". Thanks.
Still waiting for this explanation. And still waiting for an explanation as to why this boy's mom's funeral was used as a tool to control him and he wan't allowed to attend. What therapeutic value does this approach have?
John, with over 2500 pages of abuse reported by the ORS, why do you send kids to HLA?
Please explain your behavior, John. I see why you desperately want to avoid this, but you can't.
This thread is about a child abuser named John D. Reuben of SavingTeens.org and his son Max who was incarcerated at HLA and prevented from seeing his dying mom or going to her funeral.
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So let's keep this one up top where parents can be warned about John Reuben and the abusive programs to which he refers kids.
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So let's keep this one up top where parents can be warned about John Reuben and the abusive programs to which he refers kids.
Definitely agree with that one, maybe make it a "sticky", so it stays up top.
Saving Teens Link (http://http://www.savingteens.org/)
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I think you meant a "STICCy." (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903#p336336)
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I think the thing that surprises me most Peter is your inconsistencies. Every time a new poster comes on the board you give the same song and dance about how, "I'm here to provide a differing perspective. I bring balance to the board and a lot of these other posters don't like it, so rather then talking about the issues or how to make these places better they troll me and tell lies, they hurt my feelings."
Yet when you're given the opportunity to have a genuine conversation, without any of the attacks, you decline and resort to your usual games. All the while you continue to tell lies about other posters, and then refuse to acknowledge being proven wrong or be held accountable. If you're only here to try and disrupt the forum and aren't ever interested in actual discussion that's fine, you just shouldnt pretend otherwise.
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Ha,Ha,Ha go back and read some of it, Bruce. Trolls have infiltrated fornits!! Just holding them at bay so they dont contaminate the other threads..
You have 3,285 posts as of this one. Let me know when you have you posts strung together.
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It's done. Did you need confirmation of that from Ginger? I'm looking forward to you holding up your end of the bargain.
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It's done. Did you need confirmation of that from Ginger? I'm looking forward to you holding up your end of the bargain.
Yes, Just a quick confirmation that all your posts have been strung together over the past few years.
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How about a confirmation that there are no guest post to link together? How would that sit with you?
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How about a confirmation that there are no guest post to link together? How would that sit with you?
What needs to be done is to string together all your posts (guest and otherwise) from the first day you logged in as RobertBruce up until today.
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This may help to explain.
Run a unique query on RobertBruce and list all IP numbers.
Then run a query listing "all" posts made under those IP numbers.
Then run an Update query, updating all the posts found. This will change the guest postings and any other posting to the RobertBruce name.
or simply ask her to run the same process she ran on TheWho account to capture all the posts under his IP's.
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It makes documentary evidence that HLA does indeed take suicidal kids, violent kids, sexual predators, pedophiles and rapists, all of which they deny doing. Funny how that knife cuts both ways, huh?
I wonder how HLA's public statement that "We don't take violent kids" squares with what you just posted, Who? How can outright lies be construed as "transparency"? Whootie is pullin' a Palin on us I think.
Please explain how "lying to regulators and the public" = "transparency". Thanks.
Still waiting for this explanation. And still waiting for an explanation as to why this boy's mom's funeral was used as a tool to control him and he wan't allowed to attend. What therapeutic value does this approach have?
John, with over 2500 pages of abuse reported by the ORS, why do you send kids to HLA?
Please explain your behavior, John. I see why you desperately want to avoid this, but you can't.
This is the topic of this thread. People want to know why John Reuben sent his kid to HLA knowing they had amassed nearly 3000 pages of ORS violations in ten years.
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I believe they posted this guys web and home address and phone number. Why not contact the guy directly?
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No, nobody posted any of that.
This thread is to make people aware of what John Reuben does with STICC - he refers kids to places like HLA who withhold visits to parents on their death beds and to their funerals as tools to control the kid.
STICC and John Reuben send kids to some of the worst-of-the-worst detention centers like ASR, HLA and SUWS. And the public should know what he's doing.
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No, nobody posted any of that.
This thread is to make people aware of what John Reuben does with STICC - he refers kids to places like HLA who withhold visits to parents on their death beds and to their funerals as tools to control the kid.
STICC and John Reuben send kids to some of the worst-of-the-worst detention centers like ASR, HLA and SUWS. And the public should know what he's doing.
I have met people who had kids in these places and if they represent the worst of the industry then all the other places must be really nice.
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Doubtful, but what we can say for sure is that HLA has had a lot of legal problems, both civil and criminal. Nearly 3000 pages of ORS violations didn't come from nowhere. And all of this was known before John chose to send his only live kid to HLA. ASR did in his other boy.
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I think you meant a "STICCy." (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903#p336336)
:waaaa: :heartbreak: ::puke::
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What needs to be done is to string together all your posts (guest and otherwise) from the first day you logged in as RobertBruce up until today.
To what end? You believe I am in recent days posting as a guest. You're arguing as if there is a preponderence of guilt, when in actuality, the onus is on you.
You believe I am posting as a guest without a scrap of evidence save your own misguided intuition.
You do so for the following reasons:
a) You have (long before you ever lost your username) posted under various guises and claimed multiple backrounds. In an effort to avoid accountablity you attempt to claim that others (in this case me) do the same thing, therefore you believe it is not a big deal.
b) You are arrogant enough to believe that people by and large like you, and truly enjoy what you have to say. You cannot stand to recognize the fact that many posters other than myself recognize you for the tool that you are.
c) Much like your "parameters" regarding your death list (one in which you convienently forgot to include your son) you continually make up your own rules and change them as you see fit. You refuse to accept the possibility that I might be telling the truth regarding my lack of guest posting, therefore you stipulate that you will only agree to link up your postings provided you receive a specific answer. Regardless of the fact of whether or not it is true, as you are probably aware at this point it isn't. This of course is no different then the time you attempted to blackmail me into acknowleding ASR was a a good program and fully licensed, in exchange for not revealing what you believed was not only damning information, but something I actually cared about. The "information" in question came from an HLA employee who believed who knew who I was. He violated several HIPPA laws in discussing the issue with you, but that doesn't stop you from claiming HLA is above reproach. Interesting how you cry when you receive the same treatment, yet you have no problem attempting to dish it out.
d) Because you're aware of the fact that you have been playing games in regards to arguing with yourself, posing as various posters, et cet. You are loath to again link up your post aftr you were tricked the last few times into doing it. You hate exposure and accountablity, and you will do anything to avoid them.
Let me make this as clear to you as I can, despite the fact that I am well aware you're incapable of understanding
I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. I HAVE NOT POSTED AS A GUEST IN THE LAST 60 DAYS. I PROBABLY HAVE NOT POSTED AS A GUEST IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF MY GUEST POSTS AMOUNT TO ABOUT FIVE OVER THE COURSE OF FOUR YEARS. GINGER CAN VERIFY THIS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. ACCEPT IT. THERE IS NOTHING TO LINK UP.
Now depsite my having said that he still somehow wont undersand.
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What needs to be done is to string together all your posts (guest and otherwise) from the first day you logged in as RobertBruce up until today.
To what end? You believe I am in recent days posting as a guest. You're arguing as if there is a preponderence of guilt, when in actuality, the onus is on you.
You believe I am posting as a guest without a scrap of evidence save your own misguided intuition.
You do so for the following reasons:
a) You have (long before you ever lost your username) posted under various guises and claimed multiple backrounds. In an effort to avoid accountablity you attempt to claim that others (in this case me) do the same thing, therefore you believe it is not a big deal.
b) You are arrogant enough to believe that people by and large like you, and truly enjoy what you have to say. You cannot stand to recognize the fact that many posters other than myself recognize you for the tool that you are.
c) Much like your "parameters" regarding your death list (one in which you convienently forgot to include your son) you continually make up your own rules and change them as you see fit. You refuse to accept the possibility that I might be telling the truth regarding my lack of guest posting, therefore you stipulate that you will only agree to link up your postings provided you receive a specific answer. Regardless of the fact of whether or not it is true, as you are probably aware at this point it isn't. This of course is no different then the time you attempted to blackmail me into acknowleding ASR was a a good program and fully licensed, in exchange for not revealing what you believed was not only damning information, but something I actually cared about. The "information" in question came from an HLA employee who believed who knew who I was. He violated several HIPPA laws in discussing the issue with you, but that doesn't stop you from claiming HLA is above reproach. Interesting how you cry when you receive the same treatment, yet you have no problem attempting to dish it out.
d) Because you're aware of the fact that you have been playing games in regards to arguing with yourself, posing as various posters, et cet. You are loath to again link up your post aftr you were tricked the last few times into doing it. You hate exposure and accountablity, and you will do anything to avoid them.
Let me make this as clear to you as I can, despite the fact that I am well aware you're incapable of understanding
I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. I HAVE NOT POSTED AS A GUEST IN THE LAST 60 DAYS. I PROBABLY HAVE NOT POSTED AS A GUEST IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF MY GUEST POSTS AMOUNT TO ABOUT FIVE OVER THE COURSE OF FOUR YEARS. GINGER CAN VERIFY THIS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. ACCEPT IT. THERE IS NOTHING TO LINK UP.
Now depsite my having said that he still somehow wont undersand.
Sadly, you’re right. ‘Tis the nature of the beast. Just post the truth of your experiences and knowledge. Ignore, the interruptions of anyone trying to deter you from making them known. It’s one thing to engage in a discussion or to have a forthright debate between persons of differing opinions, and all together another to get roped in to some entanglement.
Will you post a brief synopsis of your experiences of the program for those (like me) who came to Fornits after your story unfolded?
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Let me make this as clear to you as I can, despite the fact that I am well aware you're incapable of understanding
I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. I HAVE NOT POSTED AS A GUEST IN THE LAST 60 DAYS. I PROBABLY HAVE NOT POSTED AS A GUEST IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF MY GUEST POSTS AMOUNT TO ABOUT FIVE OVER THE COURSE OF FOUR YEARS. GINGER CAN VERIFY THIS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. ACCEPT IT. THERE IS NOTHING TO LINK UP.
Now depsite my having said that he still somehow wont undersand.
If what you say is true than you have nothing to worry about. You have 3,291 posts as of today. I was asked to have all my posts linked up (Twice). I didnt argue about how much I posted in a single month or past year like you are doing. I had "All" my posts linked together and placed under a single name.
Now instead of writing a novel about how innocent you are why not just write a sentence and get your posts strung together? If you dont want to do it just say so. Why not be honest for once and speak directly either you are going to have "all" your posts strung together and placed under a single user name or you are not. Then we can put this discussion behind us.
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The point being Peter, you had been posting under various usernames and as a guest. I have not. You somehow keep missing there's nothing to string up.
Interestingly enough though, I am curious,
why not just write a sentence
What sentence would that be Peter?
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The point being Peter, you had been posting under various usernames and as a guest. I have not. You somehow keep missing there's nothing to string up.
Interestingly enough though, I am curious,
why not just write a sentence
What sentence would that be Peter?
Lets not beat this to death, Bruce......Just for the record, I will take it as a "no". So you refuse to have all your posts strung together... too afraid to say it yourself. But thats okay, doesnt matter if you had 5 posts or 500, if you had nothing to hide you would have had it done like I did.
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Actually you were tricked into doing it. Remember you cried about it later. I'm just curious as to why you would claim I'm refusing to have it done when you yourself have seen on more then one occasion my multiple request to have the posts linked. The response I got back was, "link what?" Did you need to see those comments again?
What you're doing is like the police going to the home of a man they believe committed a murder. They ask him to see his collection of hand guns as the person was shot. The man tells them, "but I don't own any guns." At which point the police without a single scrap of evidence arrest the man and close the case. Their claim being, if the man wasn't guilty he would have shown them his guns.
Make any sense to you?
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Actually you were tricked into doing it. Remember you cried about it later. I'm just curious as to why you would claim I'm refusing to have it done when you yourself have seen on more then one occasion my multiple request to have the posts linked. The response I got back was, "link what?" Did you need to see those comments again?
What you're doing is like the police going to the home of a man they believe committed a murder. They ask him to see his collection of hand guns as the person was shot. The man tells them, "but I don't own any guns." At which point the police without a single scrap of evidence arrest the man and close the case. Their claim being, if the man wasn't guilty he would have shown them his guns.
Make any sense to you?
Again, Does that mean that you are not going to have all your posts strung together under one user name? 5 or 500, doesnt matter to me. Sounds like it isnt going to happen. I never cried as much as you are now. I gave consent and then got it done.... your turn.
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No you were tricked. Let me ask you this, do you have any evidence which you leads you to believe I have been guest posting?
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No you were tricked. Let me ask you this, do you have any evidence which you leads you to believe I have been guest posting?
RobertBruce... It doesnt matter Ha,Ha,Ha... just get it done!!! If you dont want to do it just say so.
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You didnt answer the question. Nor did you answer this one:
I'm just curious as to why you would claim I'm refusing to have it done when you yourself have seen on more then one occasion my multiple request to have the posts linked. The response I got back was, "link what?" Did you need to see those comments again?
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You didnt answer the question. Nor did you answer this one:
I'm just curious as to why you would claim I'm refusing to have it done when you yourself have seen on more then one occasion my multiple request to have the posts linked. The response I got back was, "link what?" Did you need to see those comments again?
So you wont get them linked. You yourself admitted that you have guest posts. If you are sincere, Bruce, just get all your posts linked under one user name, whether thats 5 or 500.
Anyone reading this can see you are trying to get out of it and it doesnt look good for you... just say you dont want to do it or say you will get it done. Just pick one.
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You still havent answered the questions.
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You still havent answered the questions.
After you get your posts linked up.
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Ha, ha, ha. Changing the rules again Peter? Anything to avoid accountablility? No Peter, you answer the questions first. I'm not letting you off the hook.
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Ha, ha, ha. Changing the rules again Peter? Anything to avoid accountablility? No Peter, you answer the questions first. I'm not letting you off the hook.
Sorry Bruce, be a man and get your posts linked together. I have done it twice otherwise it stops here.
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What stops here Peter? You posting? Never. Answer the questions. I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
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What stops here Peter? You posting? Never. Answer the questions. I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
Good, you fucking guys have been going at it for weeks. Finally theIt gets it threw his thick head that RB isnt going to revel his guest postings. Bruce give it up TheIt makes you look like a fool, just ignore him. Post what is real and ignore the troll.
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Max Reuben is the second son of John D. Reuben of "SavingTeens.org" (STICC). Max was sent to HLA from 2004 to 2008.
His brother, Mike, was sent to SUWS and then to ASR. Because his real issues were never dealt with at these kiddie prisons, he killed himself last year with an overdose of heroin. Prior to going to SUWS and ASR, Mike had never been a drug abuser. He became one after four years of detention.
Did any of you go to HLA with Max? If so, I'd like to know if HLA allowed him to attend his mother's funeral.
HLA uses family tragedies to gain compliance from their detainees. They will say things like "If you want to go to your mom's funeral, you better straighten up right now, or you won't go!" Nothing like mind-raping a kid who just lost his mom, right?
Did any of you know Max well? Did you meet his dad? If so, what was his dad like in person? On fornits he's a little coward 'who' hides behind his supposed anonymity and degrades people who had bad experiences at HLA and ASR, even though his neglect and ASR's abuse led to his son's death.
I just wonder what kind of parent does such a lousy job of raising his kids that they both 'needed' kiddie jail time.
Any feedback is appreciated, especially about how HLA handles Max's mom's death.
Thank you in advance for your thoughtful replies.
Stay on topic please.
Robert, theit is a troll. It, and anyone masochistic enough to read this thread sees you gave permission to have your guest posts ID.d, and Theit is has not.
Repeating that fact 1 million times won't get theit (John Reuben?) to acknowledge that, or make it more obvious to the readers.
Have Antigen link your posts and MOVE ON.
From now on keep the back and forth to an appropriate topic, please, not this one.
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Have Antigen link your posts and MOVE ON.
well said, amen. Robert just do it and get it over with.
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He was talking to you Peter. So where is that post where you gave permission to have all your post linked. I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
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What stops here Peter? You posting? Never. Answer the questions. I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
Good, you fucking guys have been going at it for weeks. Finally theIt gets it threw his thick head that RB isnt going to revel his guest postings. Bruce give it up TheIt makes you look like a fool, just ignore him. Post what is real and ignore the troll.
I second this!! :tup:
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Max Reuben is the second son of John D. Reuben of "SavingTeens.org" (STICC). Max was sent to HLA from 2004 to 2008.
His brother, Mike, was sent to SUWS and then to ASR. Because his real issues were never dealt with at these kiddie prisons, he killed himself last year with an overdose of heroin. Prior to going to SUWS and ASR, Mike had never been a drug abuser. He became one after four years of detention.
Did any of you go to HLA with Max? If so, I'd like to know if HLA allowed him to attend his mother's funeral.
HLA uses family tragedies to gain compliance from their detainees. They will say things like "If you want to go to your mom's funeral, you better straighten up right now, or you won't go!" Nothing like mind-raping a kid who just lost his mom, right?
Did any of you know Max well? Did you meet his dad? If so, what was his dad like in person? On fornits he's a little coward 'who' hides behind his supposed anonymity and degrades people who had bad experiences at HLA and ASR, even though his neglect and ASR's abuse led to his son's death.
I just wonder what kind of parent does such a lousy job of raising his kids that they both 'needed' kiddie jail time.
Any feedback is appreciated, especially about how HLA handles Max's mom's death.
Thank you in advance for your thoughtful replies.
QFT. Stay away from John Reuben and 'STICC'!
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Does anyone know is 4 years the average stay for HLA? Has anyone else here gone for that long?
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I just wonder what kind of parent does such a lousy job of raising his kids that they both 'needed' kiddie jail time.
The majority of kids who attend a program have siblings who are doing just fine. So the quality of the parenting isn’t a common denominator or potential cause of the child needing placement. They are normal families who happen to have kids who are at risk. Also you are one of the few here who recognize that the kids are in need of help (or kiddie jail time as you call it). Many here feel the children are placed unnecessarily or dont need help at all.
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Because his real issues were never dealt with at these kiddie prisons, he killed himself last year with an overdose of heroin.
How was this determined? Did the boy leave a note ?
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There was a kid there who was incarcerated for I believe five years. There was also several kids who got through the entire waste of time program only to be sent right back. This is of course only more evidence that proves what little benefits are provided from being locked up in this and other kiddie prisons. The other option counselors there had was to "drop" kids. This meant dropping them into a lower peer group, doing so meant the kid could stay locked up indefintly.
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Another Buccellato in the making?
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You wait, Reuben will show up on Aspen Forum, if the rumors of his good bud Holloway ring right and Aspen did in fact pick up Holloway.
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STICC Advisory Board
Sharon Levy, MD, MPH, Director of Pediatrics for the Adolescent Substance Abuse Program at Children's Hospital in Boston Associate Researcher, Center for Adolescent Substance Abuse Research
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Does anyone know is 4 years the average stay for HLA? Has anyone else here gone for that long?
14 months is the average stay. Kids rarely stay past 16 months. The 2004-2008 is the time he spent in highschool (not necessarily at HLA). If there are kids that stayed 2 years or more, it would be extremely rare.
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I just wonder what kind of parent does such a lousy job of raising his kids that they both 'needed' kiddie jail time.
The majority of kids who attend a program have siblings who are doing just fine. So the quality of the parenting isn’t a common denominator or potential cause of the child needing placement. They are normal families who happen to have kids who are at risk. Also you are one of the few here who recognize that the kids are in need of help (or kiddie jail time as you call it). Many here feel the children are placed unnecessarily or dont need help at all.
But it IS a common denomenator. This guy screwed up both of his kids, locked them both up and one is dead because of it.
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Does anyone know is 4 years the average stay for HLA? Has anyone else here gone for that long?
14 months is the average stay. Kids rarely stay past 16 months. The 2004-2008 is the time he spent in highschool (not necessarily at HLA). If there are kids that stayed 2 years or more, it would be extremely rare.
Most kids get pulled in a couple of months. HLA retains less than half of it kids. 50% never make it to graduation off the top in the first few months and of the remianing 50% less than half finish the program.
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They used to be called Reform schools and have evolved over time to be called Therapeutic schools or Behavior modification schools, same stuff, nicer name. HLA takes kids that cant make it in more traditional schools like the Darlington School in Rome, Ga or Brandon Hall in Atlanta. Some kids just need a kick in the ass to get started. Some kids are there a year others are there longer, depends on the kid and how hard they work.
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If it was bad parenting or bad genes at least the kid got the benefit of a fresh start and was given a few more years. I feel bad for the parents who cannot afford to get their kids help and they lose their kids to drugs even earlier. Hopefully this new healthcare plan will be able help more of these parents out.
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If it was bad parenting or bad genes at least the kid got the benefit of a fresh start and was given a few more years. I feel bad for the parents who cannot afford to get their kids help and they lose their kids to drugs even earlier. Hopefully this new healthcare plan will be able help more of these parents out.
You cant even say it is bad genes either. No one can adjust their parenting style to effect a desired outcome. If a parent tries the best they can they cant make a kid become a priest if the kid isnt up for it. Kids are going to be what they are going to be. The best a parent can do is guide them. If the kids are broken then maybe they need to be broken down further and reassembled again and that is what programs do. Simple Behavior modification (like time outs, or being grounded) isnt going to be effective for some teens. Some kids dont do well in programs but what is the alternative? Let them off themselves earlier?
Overall it is the best alternative for many families.
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NOT!
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One morw time: Why was Max disallowed form visitng his dying mom and from going to her funeral?
Is that "therapy"? Or even helpful in any way?
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If it was bad parenting or bad genes at least the kid got the benefit of a fresh start and was given a few more years. I feel bad for the parents who cannot afford to get their kids help and they lose their kids to drugs even earlier. Hopefully this new healthcare plan will be able help more of these parents out.
You cant even say it is bad genes either. No one can adjust their parenting style to effect a desired outcome. If a parent tries the best they can they cant make a kid become a priest if the kid isnt up for it. Kids are going to be what they are going to be. The best a parent can do is guide them. If the kids are broken then maybe they need to be broken down further and reassembled again and that is what programs do. Simple Behavior modification (like time outs, or being grounded) isnt going to be effective for some teens. Some kids dont do well in programs but what is the alternative? Let them off themselves earlier?
Overall it is the best alternative for many families.
This is idiotic. If a kid is going to "off himself" he needs to be in a PSYCH HOSPITAL not a teen warehouse. This is why they "off themselves" later. No help is offered at HLA or ASR, etc so the kid still has the same problems when he gets home. Instead of getting real help the patrents just kick the can down the road a ways, like John Reuben did,
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One morw time: Why was Max disallowed form visitng his dying mom and from going to her funeral?
Is that "therapy"? Or even helpful in any way?
Where was it said that he didnt go to his mother funeral? I didnt read that. Give the school a call, they make arrangements for the child to attend funerals if it is the immediate family or if the family requests the child to be taken out for a short time.
The child needs to be accompanied at all times so they request that a parent fly out to meet the child at the school and then accompany the child back again.
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If it was bad parenting or bad genes at least the kid got the benefit of a fresh start and was given a few more years. I feel bad for the parents who cannot afford to get their kids help and they lose their kids to drugs even earlier. Hopefully this new healthcare plan will be able help more of these parents out.
You cant even say it is bad genes either. No one can adjust their parenting style to effect a desired outcome. If a parent tries the best they can they cant make a kid become a priest if the kid isnt up for it. Kids are going to be what they are going to be. The best a parent can do is guide them. If the kids are broken then maybe they need to be broken down further and reassembled again and that is what programs do. Simple Behavior modification (like time outs, or being grounded) isnt going to be effective for some teens. Some kids dont do well in programs but what is the alternative? Let them off themselves earlier?
Overall it is the best alternative for many families.
This is idiotic. If a kid is going to "off himself" he needs to be in a PSYCH HOSPITAL not a teen warehouse. This is why they "off themselves" later. No help is offered at HLA or ASR, etc so the kid still has the same problems when he gets home. Instead of getting real help the patrents just kick the can down the road a ways, like John Reuben did,
Exactly, the overdose was probably an accident. If the kid was suicidal he would have been getting the help he needed. STICCs has Childrens hospital as part of their advisory board and this was the owners kid so its safe to assume the kid wasnt trying to off himself.
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No, it's not safe to assume any of this. The problem was his raging, untreated drug problem that was still present after ASR which did nothing to treat the boy. They just warehoused him for a few years and then he was right back to what he did before.
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No, it's not safe to assume any of this. The problem was his raging, untreated drug problem that was still present after ASR which did nothing to treat the boy. They just warehoused him for a few years and then he was right back to what he did before.
People struggle with addiction their whole lives. It isnt something you go and have fixed and then never have to worry about again. It is a series of relapses and learning to live with addiction. If you know or have witnessed anyone trying to quit smoking,drugging or drinking you will understand that it isnt an easy process and can take numerous tries. With drugs and alcohol the addiction can stay with you for a life time and can be a constant struggle to stay clean.
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Thanks for the 'psychology lesson' Who. But the real problem here is that for years Mike's problem was completely ignored by his father and ASR by his very placement at ASR which provides no treatment whatsoever. So, you're argument really is for 'doing nothing' which is the same as sending a kid to a program. It just delays what is going to happen, it doesn't change it. Anyway, your argument doesn't matter. Mike was sent to ASR for 'help,' he received none and when he came home he went right back to drugs - even harder ones than before the program - because his condition actually was worsened by ASR, nothelped in any way. The kid paid with his life, but his dad paid only with his wallet. Not a fair deal in my book.
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Prior to ASR the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him. As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path. He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales. He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can. The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.
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Why not, you did. You used your own sons suicide as a marketing tool. I have no doubt you're still pissed off you couldnt capitalize on your wife dying too. Oh well, at least they were both lucky enough to get away from you. You're a horrible person, really.
Oh and for the record this:
Where was it said that he didnt go to his mother funeral? I didnt read that. Give the school a call, they make arrangements for the child to attend funerals if it is the immediate family or if the family requests the child to be taken out for a short time.
The child needs to be accompanied at all times so they request that a parent fly out to meet the child at the school and then accompany the child back again.Guest
Is a crock. Funerals are frequently used as leverage for kids locked up in HLA. Kids are made to meet certain conditions, acknowledge certain "facts", or in the cases where the parent insists and takes the kid for the funeral, the kid is punished upon return. Please Peter, since you've already proven time and again you know nothing of this industry, or this particular kiddie jail, enlighten us as to the theraputic value in such an act?
Also you still need to show the post where you gave permission to have your posts linked up. I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
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Oh he know's alot, keeps 'nice' company....
http://www.plaxo.com/directory/profile/ ... f/Holloway (http://www.plaxo.com/directory/profile/214749268482/b8f0863f/Jeff/Holloway)
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Prior to ASR the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him. As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path. He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales. He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can. The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.
Hmmmm.... How would TheWho know all this? Well, because TheWho is John David Reuben, that's how. Father to a dead kid, father to an abused kid, father to a fictitious daughter and program pimp extrordinaire.
When will there be enough dead kids to satisfy your bloodlust, John?
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If it was bad parenting or bad genes at least the kid got the benefit of a fresh start and was given a few more years. I feel bad for the parents who cannot afford to get their kids help and they lose their kids to drugs even earlier. Hopefully this new healthcare plan will be able help more of these parents out.
You cant even say it is bad genes either. No one can adjust their parenting style to effect a desired outcome. If a parent tries the best they can they cant make a kid become a priest if the kid isnt up for it. Kids are going to be what they are going to be. The best a parent can do is guide them. If the kids are broken then maybe they need to be broken down further and reassembled again and that is what programs do. Simple Behavior modification (like time outs, or being grounded) isnt going to be effective for some teens. Some kids dont do well in programs but what is the alternative? Let them off themselves earlier?
Overall it is the best alternative for many families.
This is idiotic. If a kid is going to "off himself" he needs to be in a PSYCH HOSPITAL not a teen warehouse. This is why they "off themselves" later. No help is offered at HLA or ASR, etc so the kid still has the same problems when he gets home. Instead of getting real help the patrents just kick the can down the road a ways, like John Reuben did,
Usually, they off themselves because of torture (brainwashing) designed to detroy them mentally, like that at Hidde Lake Academy, CEDU torture-cult division.
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If it was bad parenting or bad genes at least the kid got the benefit of a fresh start and was given a few more years. I feel bad for the parents who cannot afford to get their kids help and they lose their kids to drugs even earlier. Hopefully this new healthcare plan will be able help more of these parents out.
You cant even say it is bad genes either. No one can adjust their parenting style to effect a desired outcome. If a parent tries the best they can they cant make a kid become a priest if the kid isnt up for it. Kids are going to be what they are going to be. The best a parent can do is guide them. If the kids are broken then maybe they need to be broken down further and reassembled again and that is what programs do. Simple Behavior modification (like time outs, or being grounded) isnt going to be effective for some teens. Some kids dont do well in programs but what is the alternative? Let them off themselves earlier?
Overall it is the best alternative for many families.
This is idiotic. If a kid is going to "off himself" he needs to be in a PSYCH HOSPITAL not a teen warehouse. This is why they "off themselves" later. No help is offered at HLA or ASR, etc so the kid still has the same problems when he gets home. Instead of getting real help the patrents just kick the can down the road a ways, like John Reuben did,
Usually, they off themselves because of torture (brainwashing) designed to detroy them mentally, like that at Hidde Lake Academy, CEDU torture-cult division.
Actually in almost every case the suicides (and attempts) are due to problems from their personal life, caused by genetic characteristics which were hard coded at birth. They have nothing to do with upbringing or the effects of a program.
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^^complete bullshit from a complete idiot^^
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If it was bad parenting or bad genes at least the kid got the benefit of a fresh start and was given a few more years. I feel bad for the parents who cannot afford to get their kids help and they lose their kids to drugs even earlier. Hopefully this new healthcare plan will be able help more of these parents out.
You cant even say it is bad genes either. No one can adjust their parenting style to effect a desired outcome. If a parent tries the best they can they cant make a kid become a priest if the kid isnt up for it. Kids are going to be what they are going to be. The best a parent can do is guide them. If the kids are broken then maybe they need to be broken down further and reassembled again and that is what programs do. Simple Behavior modification (like time outs, or being grounded) isnt going to be effective for some teens. Some kids dont do well in programs but what is the alternative? Let them off themselves earlier?
Overall it is the best alternative for many families.
This is idiotic. If a kid is going to "off himself" he needs to be in a PSYCH HOSPITAL not a teen warehouse. This is why they "off themselves" later. No help is offered at HLA or ASR, etc so the kid still has the same problems when he gets home. Instead of getting real help the patrents just kick the can down the road a ways, like John Reuben did,
Usually, they off themselves because of torture (brainwashing) designed to detroy them mentally, like that at Hidde Lake Academy, CEDU torture-cult division.
Actually in almost every case the suicides (and attempts) are due to problems from their personal life, caused by genetic characteristics which were hard coded at birth. They have nothing to do with upbringing or the effects of a program.
If I were John Reuben (a coward, a professional torturer) I'd want to hide from my responsibility in causing my own son's death, also, but please don't make shit up as you go along; it gets ridiculous.
Alternatively, please, the link to this extraordinary scientific discovery that “almost all” personal problems and suicides have been proved to be caused by genetic coding?
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I'll just add, while I'm here, what has been proved, scientifically, is that human "personality" and what theIt calls "personal problems" are almost always completely caused by environment and thus can be altered or induced in predicable and consistent ways-- something any first year psych student can tell ya.
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Alternatively, please, the link to this extraordinary scientific discovery that “almost all” personal problems and suicides have been proved to be caused by genetic coding?
The poster just before me stated:
Usually, they off themselves because of torture (brainwashing) designed to detroy them mentally, like that at Hidde Lake Academy, CEDU torture-cult division.
After he posts his link to the scientific study that supports “Usually... because of torture”.... you must have missed that one. I am sure you want to be fair and not present a double standard.
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Alternatively, please, the link to this extraordinary scientific discovery that “almost all” personal problems and suicides have been proved to be caused by genetic coding?
The poster just before me stated:
Usually, they off themselves because of torture (brainwashing) designed to detroy them mentally, like that at Hidde Lake Academy, CEDU torture-cult division.
After he posts his link to the scientific study that supports “Usually... because of torture”.... you must have missed that one. I am sure you want to be fair and not present a double standard.
Are you looking for links to studies confirming thought reform, imprisonment (particularly the without due process kind) torture, abduction, or coercive persuasion causes suicide, extreem psychiatric problem , social marginalization, etc ? Sure...comin' up...
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some things you might not know:
At HLA, Max was constantly insisting to me and a number of other people that his mom's death was caused deliberately by his father. not murder per se, but as an indirect result of his dad's actions. i'm not revealing the details.
Max also smoked quite a bit of weed with me at HLA. i smuggled it in a variety of ways - in special deoderant, my shoes, through staff, and freinds that would dead-drop the stuff on the property in the middle of the night for me to pick up the next day while on restrictions or doing activities. we'd smoke it under the desks using the ol' fabric softener in a toilet paper tube method, in the bathroom at lower left or we'd just sneak away either at lower left or by the lake into the woods. it was really easy, after 05' there was a total lack of staff supervision and it just got better for us when the lawsuit hit. other kids snuck in all sorts of stuff, but i must admire max for staying away from it: coke smuggled in vaginas and anuses, meth and LSD sprayed onto pages of books, ecstacy smuggled inside stuffed animals and shoes, some kid even brought tar heroin once, flattened down to look like the rubber underlining of his shoe sole. that kid ate most of it but was able to steal a syringe from a diabetic and a lighter from me near the end of his stash. staff are just oblivious.
on another point, there are plenty of kids who stayed there much longer than two years. everytime a peergroup is graduating the counselors try to convince all the parents to keep the kid postgrad untill they graduate high school. every kid's parents are talked to, in the hopes of retaining at least one or two from every peer group. why? because keeping postgrads around costs less as they require less supervision and less therapy; they are "positives" to the rest of the gen pop, yet the school collects just as money for keeping them. counselors as a result get bonuses for every kid they retain postgrad. i know kids that were stuck for a 27 month program and then stayed postgrad anyway. (27 months - it was originally 21 months but then HLA cancelled december graduation and forced those kids to graduate six months later). i know a kid that has spent nearly forty months at HLA. steven gioa.
I'm not sure if they still do postgrad, but it's very likely max reuben spent all that time at HLA. he got there, from what i remember, in 8th grade. facing the prospect of an HLA grad entering 11th grade in a regular school (THE sex and drugs year according to HLA) he could have been there that long easily.
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Smoking weed is very typical at that age. Lots of kids experiment with different stuff in their teen years. It goes to show you that HLA isnt that much different than any other school. If they have time to smuggle in weed and smoke it then thats a good thing. These programs can be highly structured and it is good for the kids to have some down time, share a blunt etc. I wouldnt be too hard on the place. Most of the time the staff knows what is going on but they let the kids have a little fun. There was a big old tree behind the gym where we use to smoke after lunch. I think the teachers all knew what was going on but we were not harming anyone and we would be more mellow in the afternoon so it was better for them.
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I wouldnt be too hard on the place. Most of the time the staff knows what is going on but they let the kids have a little fun. There was a big old tree behind the gym where we use to smoke after lunch. I think the teachers all knew what was going on but we were not harming anyone and we would be more mellow in the afternoon so it was better for them.
seriously? damn you were lucky. i had to get my freinds back home to paypal the staff to keep them quiet. in my time if you were caught smoking you were restrained, everyone else evacuated to the other side of the campus, dragged by the ear to be strip searched THOROUGHLY and drug tested followed by a lengthy stay at ridge creek pending temporary deferment to a more hardcore wilderness e.g suws (sp?) or a trip to peachford if you happened to take something a little more hardcore like acid and it made you go batshit crazy. and anyone you had close contact with would be suspect and therefore drug tested. sometimes an incident can lead to a fallout fest. and then when you came back, you were probably dropped a peergroup and your vacations taken away.
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I wouldnt be too hard on the place. Most of the time the staff knows what is going on but they let the kids have a little fun. There was a big old tree behind the gym where we use to smoke after lunch. I think the teachers all knew what was going on but we were not harming anyone and we would be more mellow in the afternoon so it was better for them.
seriously? damn you were lucky. i had to get my freinds back home to paypal the staff to keep them quiet. in my time if you were caught smoking you were restrained, everyone else evacuated to the other side of the campus, dragged by the ear to be strip searched THOROUGHLY and drug tested followed by a lengthy stay at ridge creek pending temporary deferment to a more hardcore wilderness e.g suws (sp?) or a trip to peachford if you happened to take something a little more hardcore like acid and it made you go batshit crazy. and anyone you had close contact with would be suspect and therefore drug tested. sometimes an incident can lead to a fallout fest. and then when you came back, you were probably dropped a peergroup and your vacations taken away.
Yeah, I hear ya, bummer. We had it a little easier but not by much. The weed wasn’t as big a deal but if we were caught with acid we would get expelled or worse. I can see why they did strip searches on you guys, man hiding that that shit in your ass is nasty. I am sure if we walked around with drugs in our butt they would be strip searching us too, but all they need to do is check our lockers and we were busted!!! Like you read about. They didn’t have drug testing back then like they do now. Takes the whole speculation out of it, ya know. The nuns would drag us down the hall by our ears and ridicule us in front of the whole school to try and make an example out of us. But you know its all part of growing up. Learning what you can get away with and what you cant, weighing the consequences and then deciding if it is worth getting caught. You guys in the program knew how to party I'll tell ya... tar on the soles thats some funny shit.
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I wouldnt be too hard on the place. Most of the time the staff knows what is going on but they let the kids have a little fun. There was a big old tree behind the gym where we use to smoke after lunch. I think the teachers all knew what was going on but we were not harming anyone and we would be more mellow in the afternoon so it was better for them.
seriously? damn you were lucky. i had to get my freinds back home to paypal the staff to keep them quiet. in my time if you were caught smoking you were restrained, everyone else evacuated to the other side of the campus, dragged by the ear to be strip searched THOROUGHLY and drug tested followed by a lengthy stay at ridge creek pending temporary deferment to a more hardcore wilderness e.g suws (sp?) or a trip to peachford if you happened to take something a little more hardcore like acid and it made you go batshit crazy. and anyone you had close contact with would be suspect and therefore drug tested. sometimes an incident can lead to a fallout fest. and then when you came back, you were probably dropped a peergroup and your vacations taken away.
Yeah, I hear ya, bummer. We had it a little easier but not by much. The weed wasn’t as big a deal but if we were caught with acid we would get expelled or worse. I can see why they did strip searches on you guys, man hiding that that shit in your ass is nasty. I am sure if we walked around with drugs in our butt they would be strip searching us too, but all they need to do is check our lockers and we were busted!!! Like you read about. They didn’t have drug testing back then like they do now. Takes the whole speculation out of it, ya know. The nuns would drag us down the hall by our ears and ridicule us in front of the whole school to try and make an example out of us. But you know its all part of growing up. Learning what you can get away with and what you cant, weighing the consequences and then deciding if it is worth getting caught. You guys in the program knew how to party I'll tell ya... tar on the soles thats some funny shit.
oh..you went to catholic school. most non-program schools dont give a shit about weed either, unless you're being obvious and obnoxious like smoking it right in front of the school at recess or handing out baggies in the hallway.
yeah dude i laughed my ass off when i head how the kid did it. you know how some skate shoes have little rubber or plastic flaps lining the corners of the shoe when you take the sole/footpad out? he took out the plastic and put in tar. the counselor who strip searched him when he was bringing it in took the sole out and stared right at it, even touched it and he couldn't tell it wasn't plastic nor rubber.
another funny story: a gay kid with a really loose asshole once stuck one huge compressed nug, like an entire branch - maybe 1-2oz, wrapped in an oven bag up his ass. he had that stuff all to himself no one wanted to touch it. but when cokeheads stuck shit up their asses.....all the other cokeheads were all over it.
no we didnt walk around with coke up our asses. we had pockets. we just brought it in up the ass because after vacations and such they would strip search us before letting us roam the campus.
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another funny story: a gay kid with a really loose asshole once stuck one huge compressed nug, like an entire branch - maybe 1-2oz, wrapped in an oven bag up his ass. he had that stuff all to himself no one wanted to touch it. but when cokeheads stuck shit up their asses.....all the other cokeheads were all over it.
LOL thats funny, I hope it was flexible! There was this kid in highschool we called “Cat burner” because he use to like to spray lighter fluid on cats and then let them loose at night and watch them run down the street. His father was a Baptist minister. He was really messed up but we would always take him on a run with us because he was legally deaf in one ear and wore a hearing aide. Whenever there was a cop in the area he would get a buzzing in his ear and we could turn off. He was worth his weight in gold.
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Smoking weed is very typical at that age. Lots of kids experiment with different stuff in their teen years. It goes to show you that HLA isnt that much different than any other school. If they have time to smuggle in weed and smoke it then thats a good thing. These programs can be highly structured and it is good for the kids to have some down time, share a blunt etc. I wouldnt be too hard on the place. Most of the time the staff knows what is going on but they let the kids have a little fun. There was a big old tree behind the gym where we use to smoke after lunch. I think the teachers all knew what was going on but we were not harming anyone and we would be more mellow in the afternoon so it was better for them.
thewho ^^
[LOL thats funny, I hope it was flexible! There was this kid in highschool we called “Cat burner” because he use to like to spray lighter fluid on cats and then let them loose at night and watch them run down the street. His father was a Baptist minister. He was really messed up but we would always take him on a run with us because he was legally deaf in one ear and wore a hearing aide. Whenever there was a cop in the area he would get a buzzing in his ear and we could turn off. He was worth his weight in gold.
thewho^^
TheWho, lying to insinuate Hidden Lake Academy is a "normal" "school."
Thewho, addressing getting caught lying to "defend" Kids Helping KIds:
http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... ts#p167862 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=13598&p=167838&hilit=littlecats#p167862)
On 2006-01-25 09:25:00, Dysfunction Junction:
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On 2006-01-25 09:15:00, The Who wrote:
I am a parent of a teen that attended a program and a parent to several others."
And, according to yor other posts, a burnt out drug addict as well.
In any case, I have no problem debating you. You're bringing a knife to gunfight. Just stick to the topic of the thread and if you want to talk about something else, start a new thread. Stop mucking up the forum with digression.
That's why people get mad. This is the proven tactic of HLA's staff. They muck up the forum so badly with stuff that has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic that people then cannot find what they are looking for. Then Deborah, an unpaid, thankless moderator has to spen her own personal time clearing the threads of your idiotic commentary. Why should she have to clean up your mess?
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What is your problem?
I exposed all my posts for you to read, I did nothing but debate and, as you have read, I am not a member of any school, just a parent.
I have never caused or asked antigen to do any work.
You were the one who got frustrated with my position and asked Antigen to spend time researching me....... and what did you find?
1 wayward post which depicts me as a drug addict who is in highschool .... so either you dont want to debate high school drug addicts or parents who dont agree with you, why do you have to be so thin skinned, all debates dont have to go your way, sometimes other people are right.
I get frustrated with many other peoples positions on topics but I dont ask Antigen to do background checks on them to find some dirt...
Grow-up.
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[b]According to his son [/b]who committed suicide after imprisonment at Academy at Swift River and SUWs, John Reuben contributed to his wife's death. Very interesting. And don't let that point be buried in WhoSlime
Guest, why not supply details? Go for it!
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it's max reuben, who went to HLA not swift river who claimed his dad was responsible.
and i'm not sharing details because max was very fragile and pissed off at the time, therefore it is very likely it's not true and he was making it up or misconstruing things. i thought that was a given.
in addition, i dont know all the facts, and it's not my place to reveal these intimate private details of a family tragedy to the whole world.
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On 2006-01-25 09:25:00, Dysfunction Junction:
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On 2006-01-25 09:15:00, The Who wrote:
I am a parent of a teen that attended a program and a parent to several others."
And, according to yor other posts, a burnt out drug addict as well.
In any case, I have no problem debating you. You're bringing a knife to gunfight. Just stick to the topic of the thread and if you want to talk about something else, start a new thread. Stop mucking up the forum with digression.
That's why people get mad. This is the proven tactic of HLA's staff. They muck up the forum so badly with stuff that has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic that people then cannot find what they are looking for. Then Deborah, an unpaid, thankless moderator has to spen her own personal time clearing the threads of your idiotic commentary. Why should she have to clean up your mess?
Excellent find!!!! Yeah, I remember this. Deborah use to delete and alter my posts in an effort to clear the threads of my posts. Thanks, I remember when I nailed her on this (and DJ). Why are you bringing this up again? It just makes fornits look bad.
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it's max reuben, who went to HLA not swift river who claimed his dad was responsible.
and i'm not sharing details because max was very fragile and pissed off at the time, therefore it is very likely it's not true and he was making it up or misconstruing things. i thought that was a given.
in addition, i dont know all the facts, and it's not my place to reveal these intimate private details of a family tragedy to the whole world.
I dont think it's "a given" that the fragile "make things up," no. I dont think contributing to someone's death is a strictly "private" matter, either.
I do wonder why you'd post about this, only to say you think its likely Max was lying or misconstruing things, and the subject is too private to post about.
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I posted that only to point out that there is that possibility.
i figured thats a given, too. or do i have to explain every little detail to your illiterate brain?
when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.
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and it is a private matter. it's a matter for investigators, the courts, and the family to figure out. not the public, and definitely not on an anonymous message board.
the only thing important here, pertaining to this conversation is John David Reuben's CHARACTER. period.
since when are the details of murder cases get broadcasted out to the public? how long do you think it would take to select an impartial jury if that were the case?
seriously, there are some dumb fucking self-righteous illiterate people on this board. learn to read and think before you go and post anything else, because every word that comes out of you is absolutely retarded.
you dumb fuck.
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Can you enlighten us about what you know of John David Reuben's character?
Also, can you tell us if Max was allowed to attend his mom's funeral? Her cause of death?
Thank you.
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Indeed. Now that the guest posting issue has been resolved John has lost his latest excuse for avoiding accountability.
So then John, tell us, did you murder your wife?
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Can you enlighten us about what you know of John David Reuben's character?
Also, can you tell us if Max was allowed to attend his mom's funeral? Her cause of death?
Thank you.
I can tell you this about Max's dad, John: he is a narcissistic jerk. During Parent Workshops, he would drive all the way from town to Wasega Road, the road that leads to HLA, park his car, and jog down the dead center of the road at just the time the other parents would be driving to the workshop so they could see him jogging with his shirt off. Then, after enough parents and employees had seen him, he would drive back to the Holliday Inn, shower, and return to the workshop, where he would say to other parents "I guess you saw me running this morning. I run every morning. I'm in really great physical shape." It's no wonder his poor kids were so fucked up, having such an attention hog for a father.
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What can I say, running is my drug of choice.... It does get me high and shows you can get high with taking a pill.
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What can I say, running is my drug of choice.... It does get me high and shows you can get high with taking a pill.
It also shows that you're a huge attention whore, so devoid of any real sense of self esteem and desperate for someone to notice him that you gotta do shit like this.......
"he would drive all the way from town to Wasega Road, the road that leads to HLA, park his car, and jog down the dead center of the road at just the time the other parents would be driving to the workshop so they could see him jogging with his shirt off. Then, after enough parents and employees had seen him, he would drive back to the Holliday Inn, shower, and return to the workshop, where he would say to other parents "I guess you saw me running this morning. I run every morning. I'm in really great physical shape."
How unbelievably pathetic.
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That is unbelieveably pathetic, I agree. That being said, many of the program parents I have dealt with fit this description as well. Narcissism seems to be a pretty common thread among these folks.
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I posted that only to point out that there is that possibility.
i figured thats a given, too. or do i have to explain every little detail to your illiterate brain?
when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.
I understand that kids make things up when they are pissed off and trying desperately to make someone look bad. We see this here all the time which makes it tough to figure out what is true and what is not true. But the question I have is was he pissed off at his mother also? Was she okay with him being sent away or was she against it? Do you know at all?
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John we've already established that the kids at HLA had no need to make up anything, the place was abusive enough without the need to exaggerate. Let's not waste time covering already gotten ground.
To answer your question it appears as though even if your wife was angry about the situation she didnt stay that way for long. That is of course because she ended up dead. We're still waiting on you to enlighten us all regarding that situation.
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Can anybody tell us the actual cause of her death?
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Can anybody tell us the actual cause of her death?
RobertBruce said that John killed her. He didnt say if he used a knife or not you will have to ask Bruce about that. Thats the only info I have seen on this thread.
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Let me rephrase...Can anyone besides TheWho offer information as to her cause of death?
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she committed suicide because she couldn't stand to be married to an egotistical control freak anymore, nor could she stand to raise a bunch of dimwitted children each with IQ's below 100. she swallowed poison, shot herself, and then jumped off a cliff.
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Let me rephrase...Can anyone besides TheWho offer information as to her cause of death?
Yes, RobertBruce (not thewho) said that John killed her. He didnt say if he used a knife or not you will have to ask Bruce about that. Thats the only info I have seen on this thread.
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:beat: You're so profoundly obsessed with RobertBruce. Just admit you have a thing for him and ask him out on a date already. Get a room or something.
So, I'll rephrase again: Does anybody know what killed Mrs. Reuben?
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:beat: You're so profoundly obsessed with RobertBruce. Just admit you have a thing for him and ask him out on a date already. Get a room or something.
So, I'll rephrase again: Does anybody know what killed Mrs. Reuben?
Stick around I think you will see it is quite the opposite, you 2 should hook up the way you follow each other around and try to protect each other. So this is a first!! You dont believe what RobertBruce says about John killing his wife? The rest of us dont believe him but I thought you would.
Happy hunting!
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:beat: You're so profoundly obsessed with RobertBruce. Just admit you have a thing for him and ask him out on a date already. Get a room or something.
So, I'll rephrase again: Does anybody know what killed Mrs. Reuben?
http://www.townofhudson.org/Public_Docu ... /S001F5408 (http://www.townofhudson.org/Public_Documents/F00014244/S001F5408)
You can go on this web-site and order the death certificate the cost is 10.00.
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I just read the " STICC" 2008 Annual report, but what stopped me cold was the "Advisory Board".... Leslie Goldberg and Adam Goldberg...Ed. Cons. Buccellato's
seasoned, unethical personal Ed. Cons. The Goldberg's? People that have sold their soul for a dime. This is sick. Conflict of interest? Excecutive Director? Your sister? Quite an accomplished family .... and then there is you.
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Lon Woodbury of "Struggling Teens" +Ed. Con. is on "STICCS" advisory counsel, too..... Money, money... Non-profit, hardly. Talk about being in-bred....I guess you can't put Buccellato on there - for obvious reasons.
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Yes, John has assembled a cadre of industry bogeymen and tries to pass off STICC as a non-profit, but all the players are tied to referral kick-back schemes with some of the worst, most abusive facilities.
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Also an advisor:
Sharon Levy, MD, MPH
• Director of Pediatrics for the Adolescent Substance Abuse Program at Children's Hospital in Boston
• Associate Researcher, Center for Adolescent Substance Abuse Research
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Well, she's either in on the kick-back schemes like Lon and Leslie are (and others), or she's too unaware of the corruption the people with whom she works engage themselves. Either way, she's complicit in sending kids to abusive facilities like HLA and ASR (and others).
Maybe we should start writing to this lady and asking her if she really wants to associate herself with a band of brigands who refer children to be abused for profit?
Anyway, thanks, guest, for exposing this crooked dirtbag SHARON LEVY. Sharon, you're next.
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Well, she's either in on the kick-back schemes like Lon and Leslie are (and others), or she's too unaware of the corruption the people with whom she works engage themselves. Either way, she's complicit in sending kids to abusive facilities like HLA and ASR (and others).
Maybe we should start writing to this lady and asking her if she really wants to associate herself with a band of brigands who refer children to be abused for profit?
Anyway, thanks, guest, for exposing this crooked dirtbag SHARON LEVY. Sharon, you're next.
So you feel "The director of Pediatrics at Childrens Hospital" is taking kick-backs? Hmmmm. Good luck with that one. DJ, your credibility just keeps going down and down. I will keep an eye on the news the next few weeks to she how she is exposed by you!!! I am sure she is shredding the evidence, as we speak, now that you told her she is next!! Ha,Ha,Ha
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Well, she's either in on the kick-back schemes like Lon and Leslie are (and others), or she's too unaware of the corruption the people with whom she works engage themselves. Either way, she's complicit in sending kids to abusive facilities like HLA and ASR (and others).
Maybe we should start writing to this lady and asking her if she really wants to associate herself with a band of brigands who refer children to be abused for profit?
Anyway, thanks, guest, for exposing this crooked dirtbag SHARON LEVY. Sharon, you're next.
^^TheWho^^ trolling himself and trying to blame it on DJ now (lost your focus on Robert, I guess).
He takes it too far to be believable, but I also wonder if she's aware of the scum she's associating with.
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Well, she's either in on the kick-back schemes like Lon and Leslie are (and others), or she's too unaware of the corruption the people with whom she works engage themselves. Either way, she's complicit in sending kids to abusive facilities like HLA and ASR (and others).
Maybe we should start writing to this lady and asking her if she really wants to associate herself with a band of brigands who refer children to be abused for profit?
Anyway, thanks, guest, for exposing this crooked dirtbag SHARON LEVY. Sharon, you're next.
^^TheWho^^ trolling himself and trying to blame it on DJ now (lost your focus on Robert, I guess).
He takes it too far to be believable, but I also wonder if she's aware of the scum she's associating with.
^^TheWho^^ again. You are not fooling anyone who by pretending to expose your own guest posts whooter. We are not stupid. Just stop the flooding!!
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Boy, Whooter is on a roll today. All these posts are his. :rocker:
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Boy, Whooter is on a roll today. All these posts are his. :rocker:
Nice try ^^whooter^^, trying to fool us by using the emoticons. we are not buying it.
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yep, that one, too. you know you have no life when you spend all day trolling yourself.
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yep, that one, too. you know you have no life when you spend all day trolling yourself.
Actually that last post was mine
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Max Reuben is the second son of John D. Reuben of "SavingTeens.org" (STICC). Max was sent to HLA from 2004 to 2008.
His brother, Mike, was sent to SUWS and then to ASR. Because his real issues were never dealt with at these kiddie prisons, he killed himself last year with an overdose of heroin. Prior to going to SUWS and ASR, Mike had never been a drug abuser. He became one after four years of detention.
Did any of you go to HLA with Max? If so, I'd like to know if HLA allowed him to attend his mother's funeral.
HLA uses family tragedies to gain compliance from their detainees. They will say things like "If you want to go to your mom's funeral, you better straighten up right now, or you won't go!" Nothing like mind-raping a kid who just lost his mom, right?
Did any of you know Max well? Did you meet his dad? If so, what was his dad like in person? On fornits he's a little coward 'who' hides behind his supposed anonymity and degrades people who had bad experiences at HLA and ASR, even though his neglect and ASR's abuse led to his son's death.
I just wonder what kind of parent does such a lousy job of raising his kids that they both 'needed' kiddie jail time.
Any feedback is appreciated, especially about how HLA handles Max's mom's death.
Thank you in advance for your thoughtful replies.
Topic refresher...
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Max Reuben is the second son of John D. Reuben of "SavingTeens.org" (STICC). Max was sent to HLA from 2004 to 2008.
His brother, Mike, was sent to SUWS and then to ASR. Because his real issues were never dealt with at these kiddie prisons, he killed himself last year with an overdose of heroin. Prior to going to SUWS and ASR, Mike had never been a drug abuser. He became one after four years of detention.
Did any of you go to HLA with Max? If so, I'd like to know if HLA allowed him to attend his mother's funeral.
HLA uses family tragedies to gain compliance from their detainees. They will say things like "If you want to go to your mom's funeral, you better straighten up right now, or you won't go!" Nothing like mind-raping a kid who just lost his mom, right?
Did any of you know Max well? Did you meet his dad? If so, what was his dad like in person? On fornits he's a little coward 'who' hides behind his supposed anonymity and degrades people who had bad experiences at HLA and ASR, even though his neglect and ASR's abuse led to his son's death.
I just wonder what kind of parent does such a lousy job of raising his kids that they both 'needed' kiddie jail time.
Any feedback is appreciated, especially about how HLA handles Max's mom's death.
Thank you in advance for your thoughtful replies.
Topic refresher...
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John and Max had sex with Borat and his chicken. they had fun. the wife/mother walked in....you know the rest....
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Max Reuben is the second son of John D. Reuben of "SavingTeens.org" (STICC). Max was sent to HLA from 2004 to 2008.
His brother, Mike, was sent to SUWS and then to ASR. Because his real issues were never dealt with at these kiddie prisons, he killed himself last year with an overdose of heroin. Prior to going to SUWS and ASR, Mike had never been a drug abuser. He became one after four years of detention.
Did any of you go to HLA with Max? If so, I'd like to know if HLA allowed him to attend his mother's funeral.
HLA uses family tragedies to gain compliance from their detainees. They will say things like "If you want to go to your mom's funeral, you better straighten up right now, or you won't go!" Nothing like mind-raping a kid who just lost his mom, right?
Did any of you know Max well? Did you meet his dad? If so, what was his dad like in person? On fornits he's a little coward 'who' hides behind his supposed anonymity and degrades people who had bad experiences at HLA and ASR, even though his neglect and ASR's abuse led to his son's death.
I just wonder what kind of parent does such a lousy job of raising his kids that they both 'needed' kiddie jail time.
Any feedback is appreciated, especially about how HLA handles Max's mom's death.
Thank you in advance for your thoughtful replies.
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Hidden Lake Academy is a fine school made up of highly qualified personell who are there for one purpose: TO RAISE CHILDREN WHEN THE PARENTS HAVE FAILED TO DO SO. Anyone who thinks differently is an idiot. Plain and Simple.
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Hidden Lake Academy is a fine school made up of highly qualified personell who are there for one purpose: TO RAISE CHILDREN WHEN THE PARENTS HAVE FAILED TO DO SO. Anyone who thinks differently is an idiot. Plain and Simple.
Dah, where have you been? HLA is history.