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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 29, 2009, 11:47:38 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou9i0fk2KBY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou9i0fk2KBY)
Rudy Bentz segment in Liam's Cedu documentary.
http://liamscheff.com/daily/cedu-documentary/ (http://liamscheff.com/daily/cedu-documentary/)
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Also here:
http://liamscheff.com/daily/2009/04/29/ ... -rudy-rap/ (http://liamscheff.com/daily/2009/04/29/cedu-documentary-a-rudy-rap/)
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To me, this documentry presents CEDU as a kinda wacky, but not so horrible place. I don't know...that doesn't seem too accurate to me. Maybe I am perceing this doc wrong?
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I dunno. Watch the clip with the girl who goes from being a normal pretty looking kid to some kind of stroke victim/circus freak. she said it took numerous surgeries to make her face normal again.
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I dunno. Watch the clip with the girl who goes from being a normal pretty looking kid to some kind of stroke victim/circus freak. she said it took numerous surgeries to make her face normal again.
You are insulting the appearence of one the girls' in the video? Nice. You must be one of the staff discussed on this forum. Still doing the verbal abuse thing, i see.
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Yes, maybe you are "perceing" this wrong...
I've watched all the clips and nobody looks like a stroke victim. If Cedu seems like a "wacky" place, then you should probably put yourself in the place of a teenager who was kept there against her will. How would you like to be at a school where the "teachers" spoon you while you cry and where you are forced to submit to that kind of "care?"
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Staff: Rudy Bentz was in a rap delivering an indictment to some students very loudly and very aggressively.
Student: He would call girls sluts and he would bring up every that they had done sexually in their life, and he would talk to guys and want to know everything they had done, in a group setting, all for the purpose of, getting it out.
Staff: And I remember thinking I suppose these guys aren't hearing any of the words, they're just hearing the delivery, that you're angry at them and they're bad.
Student: And some of the stuff truth be told did not need to come out, if the girl was experimenting when she was twelve, it was that she was experimenting when she was twelve. It wasn't that she was a whore or a slut. But he had this weird dynamic where in the rap he was the female's worst enemy and he would just cut them down and want to know everything they'd done, but that night all the same girls would go kiss up to him and lay by him and cuddle with him and say Rudy, Rudy you're the best!
Second Student: I think Rudy and Jill Bentz did get off on each other's sexual stuff with the Cedu kids, she got to be the sexy girl and he got to be the sexy guy, she liked the sexual energy that she inspired in the Cedu boys and he liked the sexual energy he inspired in the Cedu girls and I think they knew that about each other...
Does it sound "wacky" 2cents?? Sounds like child abuse. Sounds like a cult to me!
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Whoa I think I may be misinterpreted here. I was disagreeing with the person who called it wacky & harmless & saying that among other things disfiguring a kid is actually pretty hardcore abuse. I also did not call Heather ugly. She is a normal attractive looking woman but she said it took 6 surgeries to get her looking that way again. The picture they showed of her at graduation showed her looking like she had been a stroke victim. This was as a direct result of their initial abuse then negligence.
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Whoa I think I may be misinterpreted here. I was disagreeing with the person who called it wacky & harmless & saying that among other things disfiguring a kid is actually pretty hardcore abuse. I also did not call Heather ugly. She is a normal attractive looking woman but she said it took 6 surgeries to get her looking that way again. The picture they showed of her at graduation showed her looking like she had been a stroke victim. This was as a direct result of their initial abuse then negligence.
Hi, yes 2 cents, I misinterpreted you. I understand what you were saying now.
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Yes, maybe you are "perceing" this wrong...
I've watched all the clips and nobody looks like a stroke victim. If Cedu seems like a "wacky" place, then you should probably put yourself in the place of a teenager who was kept there against her will. How would you like to be at a school where the "teachers" spoon you while you cry and where you are forced to submit to that kind of "care?"
I know CEDU was horrible. Unfortunately, to me, this documentary just makes it seem wacky and irresponsible. To me it does not portray its horror, unlike the 2 documentaries about wwasp which capture the horror of kidnap, imprisonment and brainwashing more adeptly.
Maybe, have a section where victims can tell their story from beginning to end, so not everything is mixed together and therefore diluted?
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Yes, maybe you are "perceing" this wrong...
I've watched all the clips and nobody looks like a stroke victim. If Cedu seems like a "wacky" place, then you should probably put yourself in the place of a teenager who was kept there against her will. How would you like to be at a school where the "teachers" spoon you while you cry and where you are forced to submit to that kind of "care?"
I know CEDU was horrible. Unfortunately, to me, this documentary just makes it seem wacky and irresponsible. To me it does not portray its horror, unlike the 2 documentaries about wwasp which capture the horror of kidnap, imprisonment and brainwashing more adeptly.
Maybe, have a section where victims can tell their story from beginning to end, so not everything is mixed together and therefore diluted?
Maybe have a cultic expert specifify what was going on there was thought reform?
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Yes, maybe you are "perceing" this wrong...
I've watched all the clips and nobody looks like a stroke victim. If Cedu seems like a "wacky" place, then you should probably put yourself in the place of a teenager who was kept there against her will. How would you like to be at a school where the "teachers" spoon you while you cry and where you are forced to submit to that kind of "care?"
I know CEDU was horrible. Unfortunately, to me, this documentary just makes it seem wacky and irresponsible. To me it does not portray its horror, unlike the 2 documentaries about wwasp which capture the horror of kidnap, imprisonment and brainwashing more adeptly.
Maybe, have a section where victims can tell their story from beginning to end, so not everything is mixed together and therefore diluted?
Maybe have a cultic expert specifify what was going on there was thought reform?
Sorry, maybe also specify the measures taken to keep people prisoner? For ex, the "one on one" or buddy system?
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Yes, maybe you are "perceing" this wrong...
I've watched all the clips and nobody looks like a stroke victim. If Cedu seems like a "wacky" place, then you should probably put yourself in the place of a teenager who was kept there against her will. How would you like to be at a school where the "teachers" spoon you while you cry and where you are forced to submit to that kind of "care?"
I know CEDU was horrible. Unfortunately, to me, this documentary just makes it seem wacky and irresponsible. To me it does not portray its horror, unlike the 2 documentaries about wwasp which capture the horror of kidnap, imprisonment and brainwashing more adeptly.
Maybe, have a section where victims can tell their story from beginning to end, so not everything is mixed together and therefore diluted?
Maybe have a cultic expert specifify what was going on there was thought reform?
There is, sort of. Dr. Nikki Bush of ASTART was hired as a therapist there, and she talks about her experience and impressions of the place... i.e. how abusive it was.
As for people telling their story from beginning to end... this isnt a miniseries. He has too much footage to wrangle with as it is. Editing for these types of films is a royal pain.
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yes, sure. So this is just my opinion and i am happy anyone is making a doc period. But I stil dont think it does a good job conveying the fear and pain of the place, unlike the wwasp docs.(and not because wwasp was worse..just more effective storytelling, background on bemod, etc) :blabla:
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You know guest as someone who did not attend thsi system of schools, I can only assume that to some extent to really understand you had to be there. But Ill tell you one thing. If I had a difficult kid & i saw this film I sure would not be thining a cedu like school was the answer.
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http://fornits.com/WWASP/TranquilityBayDocumentary.mp4 (http://fornits.com/WWASP/TranquilityBayDocumentary.mp4)
i disagree. The documentry linked above helps you understand the horror. Not so this CEDU doc. I think its possible. I dont think its being done well. Maybe it will be different when its spliced together. I think it would help to have less talking head, more consice background info, and at least one cohesive start to finish narrative, along with background on the fact that "troubled parents" that send their kids to this hell hole.
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I just want to say I <3 heather and I think she is really brave to do a documentary.
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I agree Femanon. I really like the interaction between heather and Laura. Heather is brave to show the photos of herself immediately post cedu & to tell her story. They have a sort of wry cynicism about them that possibly helped them survive. To the person who wants to see more of the "horrors" I am not sure that sensationalism always is the way to go. Though this approach worked for the wwasp doco because it got the truth out. I know a lot of kids who went to schools similar to cedu who say that it just was not physically brutal in the same way as waasp and that the food and lodgings were fine. Even with this in mind it was emotionally brutal and physically exhausting and it really screwed them up & a lot of very inappropriate things happened. So maybe this doco will strike a chord with some of the people who attended similar places.
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The way I see it, the only way someone could make a film that could *really* give the viewer some sense of how things go down would be to have a fictionalized version of the 70s or 80s schools and have it directed by David Lynch.
I swear to fucking god, Lynch would be the only guy who could do it justice.