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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 25, 2009, 03:07:22 PM
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Tyson Tully
Tyson Tully, age 25, of Ottawa, Kansas, formerly of Louisburg, Kansas, and Englewood, Colorado, made his transition on November 3, 2008, at his home. He was born January 4, 1983, in Dodge City, Kan., the son of Keith and Donna Torline Tully. Tyson attended elementary and middle school in Englewood, Colo. He then went to high school at Hidden Lake Academy, Dahlenega, Ga., and graduated in 2000. He worked for Driver's Bar & Grill, Ottawa, Kan. He was an avid Denver Bronco's fan, loved to fish and enjoyed watching movies. He was preceded in death by his grandparents, Paul and Vera Tully and Joe and Evah Torline, Spearville, Kan. Survivors include his parents, Keith and Donna Tully, Louisburg, Kan.; his daughter, Mikayla Tully, Olathe, Kan.; two brothers, Lance Tully and wife Lindsey, Denver, Colo., and Devin Tully, Pittsburg, Kan.; many loving aunts, uncles and cousins. Celebration of life will be held at 1 p.m. Saturday, November 8, 2008, at the Unity Church of Overland Park, 10300 Antioch Road, Overland Park, Kan. In lieu of flowers, the family suggest memorials be given to the Elizabeth Layton Center, 2537 Eisenhower Road, Ottawa, KS 66067, or in care of Penwell-Gabel Funeral Home, 120 S. Broadway, Louisburg, KS 66053. To send a special message to the family you may go to our website at http://www.penwellgabel.com (http://www.penwellgabel.com). Arrangements: Penwell-Gabel Louisburg Chapel, (913) 837-4310.
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RIP Tyson Tully
so, i guess HLA doesnt save lives, does it?
and i guess it doesnt make anyone "succeed"...the guy never got an education, worked at a resturant and had a kid. at 25.
i would put money on this being self-inflicted: Drug overdose, suicide, overeating, etc.
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RIP Tyson Tully
so, i guess HLA doesnt save lives, does it?
and i guess it doesnt make anyone "succeed"...the guy never got an education, worked at a resturant and had a kid. at 25.
i would put money on this being self-inflicted: Drug overdose, suicide, overeating, etc.
"The guy" was my friend, you smarmy bitch.
I am not a fan of HLA, but I would NEVER dream of slandering a HLA survivor to make a point. You must be ashamed to have written such a despicable thing.
Tyson was a sweetheart.
Who the HELL are you to pass judgment on my friend's life and speculate about his death?
Anyone would have a much easier time of pegging YOUR character from that post than you did of pegging Tyson's from his obituary.
If this is your idea of making a case against HLA, than I think I speak for everyone when I say we'd rather not have your help.
You are disgusting.
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i found most people at HLA disgusting, including yourself.
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I'm sorry but if you have kids before you have a stable career, or get married early, or in general have kids before your in your late 20's, theres something wrong with you. if you're 25 and work at a diner and have issues, you dont have kids. if you did, then shame on you. i feel sorry for his kid. it's like the whole octo-mom issue, but minus seven kids.
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I'm sorry but if you have kids before you have a stable career, or get married early, or in general have kids before your in your late 20's, theres something wrong with you. if you're 25 and work at a diner and have issues, you dont have kids. if you did, then shame on you. i feel sorry for his kid. it's like the whole octo-mom issue, but minus seven kids.
You have no idea how judgmental you sound. You know? Stuff happens. Not all pregnancies are "planned". Plus, its generally the woman's call after that happens. Maybe he was working at the restaurant while studying for school. Trying to get his life together. He doesn't deserve this shit.
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I'm sorry but if you have kids before you have a stable career, or get married early, or in general have kids before your in your late 20's, theres something wrong with you. if you're 25 and work at a diner and have issues, you dont have kids. if you did, then shame on you. i feel sorry for his kid. it's like the whole octo-mom issue, but minus seven kids.
You have no idea how judgmental you sound. You know? Stuff happens. Not all pregnancies are "planned". Plus, its generally the woman's call after that happens. Maybe he was working at the restaurant while studying for school. Trying to get his life together. He doesn't deserve this shit.
Thank you to whoever you are that is defending my cousin.
For the one that is speaking ill of him let me tell you his story. He was a great kid! His problems number one were genetic. I also suffer from Bipolar but am lucky to not have the addiction problem. I have two children and am recently divorced. Are you telling me I am a terrible mother because I suffer from an uncureable disoder, or that because I had my first child at 23? He is from a great family with parents and siblings that tried everything for him. Now number two, his death was from natural cause. So get your story straight before you start spreading rumors. Number three his child is very well taken care of and will always know who his father was. The child is loved from both sides of the family. When the child is old enough to understand Tyson's illness and struggle will be told. Whatever grudge you have, DO NOT TAKE IT OUT ON TYSON!!! Let him RIP.
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RIP, children.
http://www.hiddenlakeacademyalumniprogr ... orium.html (http://www.hiddenlakeacademyalumniprogram.com/Memorium.html)
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This is so typical of HLA....using the departed like this. And, the correct spelling for the Latin phrase is "in Memoriam".
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11 deaths. That’s almost one per year. Wonder how that compares to other programs? Does that support the notion that they take kids who are too distressed to be there and were not “helped”? If I were a potential client that would cause me pause.
Kathleen must have put in double time to generate that Flap Crap. Since the Alumni forum was such a disastrous flop she had to come up with a venue where people couldn’t speak openly. Required too much moderating on her part. Just pics, no dialogue. The HLA way.
Notice the page on Ed Cons “who know them well”?
Urgh.
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I have no doubt Buchi was grinding his teeth in frustration over not being able to include a link for donations to the "chapel fund".
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Sadly, Buccellato will be fine financially as it was not personal bankruptcy and he and his financial guru are shrewd, so much was sold and moved. It is my hope that the IRS will prosecute him and his co-horts. Lord knows they have been given enough to fry one of the Judges chickens. Then there was 'testimony' given to the GAO and Congressman Miller, including mine. The GAO paid alot of visits and not just to HLA.
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Sadly, Buccellato will be fine financially as it was not personal bankruptcy and he and his financial guru are shrewd, so much was sold and moved. It is my hope that the IRS will prosecute him and his co-horts. Lord knows they have been given enough to fry one of the Judges chickens. Then there was 'testimony' given to the GAO and Congressman Miller, including mine. The GAO paid alot of visits and not just to HLA.
Sadly, due to the meddling of a certain organization that will not be named, that evidence was scrapped from the final report in favor of only evidence that would support the effectiveness of a certain bill (which wasn't passed anyway). Everybody who knows what i'm talking about knows, and i'll leave it at that. No need to pry open old wounds.
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Sadly, Buccellato will be fine financially as it was not personal bankruptcy and he and his financial guru are shrewd, so much was sold and moved. It is my hope that the IRS will prosecute him and his co-horts. Lord knows they have been given enough to fry one of the Judges chickens. Then there was 'testimony' given to the GAO and Congressman Miller, including mine. The GAO paid alot of visits and not just to HLA.
Sadly, due to the meddling of a certain organization that will not be named, that evidence was scrapped from the final report in favor of only evidence that would support the effectiveness of a certain bill (which wasn't passed anyway). Everybody who knows what i'm talking about knows, and i'll leave it at that. No need to pry open old wounds.
Do you have information no one else here does? Are you saying that the GAO reports on HLA weren't given to the IRS?
Or was your comment actually off-topic and indeed an attempt to "pry open old wounds". Rather, pour some salt on a wound?
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Sadly, due to the meddling of a certain organization that will not be named, that evidence was scrapped from the final report in favor of only evidence that would support the effectiveness of a certain bill (which wasn't passed anyway). Everybody who knows what i'm talking about knows, and i'll leave it at that. No need to pry open old wounds.
This is a bold faced lie. There was no "organization". The GAO has been doing research for ten years on these schools. Hidden Lake Academy, Inc. was only investigated because of the lawsuit and the lack of integrity exhibited by the ORS in their response over the years. FIrst, the GAO report did not make it to the final May hearing, because they were waiting on documents and did not get approval in time for the hearing from the GAO's attorneys. The final report was not submitted, period."the final report in favor of only evidence that would support the effectiveness of a certain bill (which wasn't passed anyway)" What the GAO did uncover was not good news for Buccellato, however the agents stated that "it was only in their power to make recommendations to the Federal governing agencies for further investigation as the GAO entity did not have the power to prosecute." If anything, the current lawsuit was a problem for the GAO attorneys and that helped to keep HLA out of the spotlight. Since the report was not finalized in time, Congressman Miller requested through the agents for a report (testimony) from individuals for Congressional review. The GAO was informed and learned of the financial handlings of Buccellatos empire, but, again, they can only make recommendations for prosecution, FTC, OSHA, ICPC and of-course, the IRS was among the alleged violations. If the agents did recommend prosecution and to which agencies, rests with them, as they were not at liberty to disclose. However, knowing these agents, if they could, they did and if they did, that rests with the Federal agencies. Although they received information that would support the Miller Bill, there was evidence given for further prosecutorial review by the Federal government. This did indeed relate to how many of these schools and their owners operate, thus giving more credence as to why Congress should pass the bill and did, now HR 911.
The IRS issue relating to Buccellato can be separated from the GAO findings and whether the Federal government chooses to act. Afterall, they have bigger fish to catch, as in the Madoff case. Also, it has to be worth their time and money expended. Since HLA, INC. is a non-profit, initial complaints can be filed with Georgia's Secretary of State and the IRS in Texas, which handles non-profit, this agency has been contacted. Again, there is the "Whistle Blowers" program, which is another IRS department.
The poster above does not know what transpired.. as I was the GAO'S initial and key contact.
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Do you have information no one else here does?
No, this was covered a while back publicly where a representative from the organization in question admitted to it publicly. This was during the "great backup failure" period, though, so the posts were lost. Long story. Contact me privately if you want the full thing.
Are you saying that the GAO reports on HLA weren't given to the IRS?
Or was your comment actually off-topic and indeed an attempt to "pry open old wounds". Rather, pour some salt on a wound?
no.
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Sadly, due to the meddling of a certain organization that will not be named, that evidence was scrapped from the final report in favor of only evidence that would support the effectiveness of a certain bill (which wasn't passed anyway). Everybody who knows what i'm talking about knows, and i'll leave it at that. No need to pry open old wounds.
This is a bold faced lie.
Unfortunately, it's not. Check your email.
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Do you have information no one else here does?
No, this was covered a while back publicly where a representative from the organization in question admitted to it publicly. This was during the "great backup failure" period, though, so the posts were lost. Long story. Contact me privately if you want the full thing.
Are you saying that the GAO reports on HLA weren't given to the IRS?
Or was your comment actually off-topic and indeed an attempt to "pry open old wounds". Rather, pour some salt on a wound?
no.
How is that relevant to this discussion? What's it got to do with the GAOs report on HLA being given to the IRS? Now if you have some evidence that IRS "scrapped" the GAO report because of some 'organization's" alleged mistake, the folks in the HLA forum might be interested. Otherwise, take your resentment of CAFETY back to a forum where it's of interest.
Better yet, why don't you see if you can locate a different confirmation code system. How many people say 'fuck it' when they have to guess at the characters 6 times in order to post.
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Do you have information no one else here does?
No, this was covered a while back publicly where a representative from the organization in question admitted to it publicly. This was during the "great backup failure" period, though, so the posts were lost. Long story. Contact me privately if you want the full thing.
Are you saying that the GAO reports on HLA weren't given to the IRS?
Or was your comment actually off-topic and indeed an attempt to "pry open old wounds". Rather, pour some salt on a wound?
no.
How is that relevant to this discussion? What's it got to do with the GAOs report on HLA being given to the IRS? Now if you have some evidence that IRS "scrapped" the GAO report because of some 'organization's" alleged mistake, the folks in the HLA forum might be interested. Otherwise, take your resentment of CAFETY back to a forum where it's of interest.
I wasn't talking about the IRS scrapping anything. Sorry if that was unclear. I'm sure they are looking into HLA if evidence was provided to them. I was just talking about content for the hearing and report (public) being scrapped based on the behind the scenes recommendations to miller's office, the reasoning of which was: if it wasn't going to be "fixed" by the bill, it shouldn't be discussed. The idea was to convince people that this bill could fix everything, somehow. IMO, wishful thinking at it's worst, and it undermined a lot of people's hard work. The public's right to know and the truth took a back burner to a political agenda. It wasn't the GAO's fault, I want to be clear on that, but their hands were tied by what the committee wanted in the report and at the hearing.
Better yet, why don't you see if you can locate a different confirmation code system. How many people say 'fuck it' when they have to guess at the characters 6 times in order to post.
If I reduce it any, spam gets through, and a lot of it. Sorry.
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I wasn't talking about the IRS scrapping anything. Sorry if that was unclear. I'm sure they are looking into HLA if evidence was provided to them.
That's what I thought. Your comment was totally irrelevant to this discussion.
Someone said "GAO/Miller" and you couldn't resist the opportunity to slam CAFETY and Miller's legislative efforts. The idea was never to convince people that the bill could fix everything. That's so naieve. It undermined NO ONEs hard work. The people's right to know did not take a back burner to a political agenda. The legislation would do as much or more to educate the public- via its mandate that programs provide a link to the government site where information on programs with violations, deaths, injuries are listed- than fornits does. It would've been logistically impossible to include every survivor for the past 30 years in the limited scope of the hearing. Miller has been trying for legislation for at least a couple of decades. I think he has a better handle on what will fly and what won't.
Now, what were we discussing... oh yes, will IRS act on the information they've been give, which included the GAOs report.
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im pretty sure that people who DIDNT go to HLA also have kids when they're "too young", and also die before their time is really up. and you know what? more often than not, people who have never even heard of HLA have drug addictions, eating disorders, and self injury issues. im also pretty sure that all of those issues existed LONG before HLA did.
but, i dont know, you guys are probably right. HLA is responsible for every bad thing that ever happened to you, your relatives, and even your goldfish. (i have my own theories on Their involvement in the September 11th terrorist attacks as well as the Oklahoma City bombing, but i dont want to be...*shudder*...NEXT). so please dont bother to take responsibility for the choices that you have made in your lives. blame it on Them.
by the way, i've been brainwashed by HLA to say ALL of that. so you can argue with me, but They will program me with the perfect counter-argument.
wack jobs. the lot of you. find a hobby.
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Graduated.....ehem.....Caitlyn hansgopherface, you are not fooling anyone. i could pick your angry ass out of crowd blind and deaf. I think you are the one in need of a hobby.
I think you need to do some fallout. and then go suck your counselor's cock.
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The deaths are an indicator of bad placements and HLAs inability to help teens, particularly those who have serious distress.
Parents should be seeking evidence-based help when they can't reach their child, not ship them off to some isolated gulag that tortures under the guise of therapy. HLA could fuck up a normal, stable kid. Imagine what they do to those who are distressed.
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ACTUALLY, caitlin himmigoefer never went to HLA and im assuming your referring to that rant on the "HLA made me do drugs" discussion on facebook. she is the girlfriend of another HLA graduate. my rants are, at the very least, comprehensible. however, i realize i have no way of proving im not her and you'll believe whatever you want to believe.
anyhoo, i'd like to ask guest54 (i cant remember if that was your username, sorry) what you define as torture and when exactly you experienced it at HLA. or if you are just basing your post on a bunch of nonsense you read in this forum.
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but, i dont know, you guys are probably right. HLA is responsible for every bad thing that ever happened to you, your relatives, and even your goldfish. (i have my own theories on Their involvement in the September 11th terrorist attacks as well as the Oklahoma City bombing, but i dont want to be...*shudder*...NEXT). so please dont bother to take responsibility for the choices that you have made in your lives. blame it on Them.
by the way, i've been brainwashed by HLA to say ALL of that. so you can argue with me, but They will program me with the perfect counter-argument.
The staff of HLA couldnt program someone to reason their way out of a cardboard box. Of all the many, many lap dogs and puppets who have been sent from HLA to disrupt this forum, not a one of them has ever brought a rationale argument to the table. Not ever.
You appear to be no different in your approach. It is you who can not accept that the majority of kids who walked out of that gulag (graduated or not) were never helped, and in many cases (my own included) actually came out far worse than when they came in.
To answer your question however I will tell you some of the things we experienced that can be considered torture:
Sleep Deprivation
Food rationing
Forced out the elements for hours on end in extreme weather with no protection.
Physical abuse, i.e "takedowns". Just because you call a thing by another name doesnt change what it is.
Being made to remain in the same position for hours on end.
Being screamed at or maniuplated into confessing crimes.
Beinfg forced to confess crimes of others under threats of duress.
Constantly threatened with more severe punishments for refusing to comply.
Being constantly belittled or attacked and have it called therapy.
The answer to your other question is, all the time.
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ACTUALLY, caitlin himmigoefer never went to HLA and im assuming your referring to that rant on the "HLA made me do drugs" discussion on facebook. she is the girlfriend of another HLA graduate. my rants are, at the very least, comprehensible. however, i realize i have no way of proving im not her and you'll believe whatever you want to believe.
anyhoo, i'd like to ask guest54 (i cant remember if that was your username, sorry) what you define as torture and when exactly you experienced it at HLA. or if you are just basing your post on a bunch of nonsense you read in this forum.
Did caitlin give you permission to post her full name on this site?
wow, you really are stupid.
I dont even need to work for the CIA to know that your writing style is a dead ringer for caitlin's. not many people have such a unique style with that certain tinge of forcefulness expressed with certain very specific identifying markers as Caitlin does.
Caitlyn or not, either way, how classically HLA of you. straight from the manual.
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you know what? i did not get her permission, however, im sure she probably wouldn't mind since her posting was made on a public site available for all to view. but if you'd like, you're welcome to sue me.
a unique style? dropping the f-bomb at least two times every sentence is a unique writing style? i like to think im a bit more eloquent than she.
the similarity you are seeing between she and i is the fact that we both think people like you are too cowardly to take responsibility for your own actions.
and i know how things work on here. somebody comes on here with a different point of view and you all gang up on them to try and silence them. you're welcome to skip that whole process if you like, since i will not be chased off. just if you'd like to save yourselves some time.
by the way, i think you're all delusional and you should have stayed in therapy.
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you know what? i did not get her permission, however, im sure she probably wouldn't mind since her posting was made on a public site available for all to view. but if you'd like, you're welcome to sue me.
a unique style? dropping the f-bomb at least two times every sentence is a unique writing style? i like to think im a bit more eloquent than she.
the similarity you are seeing between she and i is the fact that we both think people like you are too cowardly to take responsibility for your own actions.
and i know how things work on here. somebody comes on here with a different point of view and you all gang up on them to try and silence them. you're welcome to skip that whole process if you like, since i will not be chased off. just if you'd like to save yourselves some time.
by the way, i think you're all delusional and you should have stayed in therapy.
LOL. What does taking responsibility for one's actions have to do with being outraged at having been fed a more-or-less constant diet of confrontation and humiliation, and being "belittled or attacked" for things one didn't even do?
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because those things never happened. only somebody very thin-skinned would mistake anything that occurred at HLA as abuse.
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because those things never happened. only somebody very thin-skinned would mistake anything that occurred at HLA as abuse.
Can you see inside of everyone else's head?
Can you honestly say that you -- one person, with one experience, your own experience, and opinion and interpretation thereof which you are respectfully entitled to -- can speak for everyone else?
It seems to me, by the very nature of the title of this thread, that not everyone found the experience beneficial.
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there's a big difference between not finding it to be a beneficial experience and blaming it for everything that has gone wrong in your life.
and to answer your question, no i cannot see inside anyone else's head nor do i claim to be omnicient.
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What is your basis for claiming that we should have stayed in therapy, are 'wack jobs" or blame all of our problems or societal issues at large on HLA?
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and i know how things work on here. somebody comes on here with a different point of view and you all gang up on them to try and silence them. you're welcome to skip that whole process if you like, since i will not be chased off. just if you'd like to save yourselves some time.
by the way, i think you're all delusional and you should have stayed in therapy.
first of all, you will be chased off for a good reason. you coming here saying what you say is like a neo nazi going onto a jewish site or a mormon going onto a gay site. what do you expect?
second, when did you "graduate"? you should keep in mind that the HLA of now is very different from the HLA of yesteryear. if HLA operated the way it did the last two years the entire time it existed, it would have never been in so much trouble. we would not be pissed off. i understand you think abuse doesnt happen....most likely because you never experienced it, because HLA is easy now. they had to mellow it out, because of.....you guessed it.....US. But just because they changed their ways does not mean they get a pass for their past actions. remember, you said it yourself: you cant blame anyone for your own actions, you cant pass the buck, you have to take responsibility for your own actions. HLA getting Shut Down is a group of HUNDREDS of people in different capacities forcing HLA to take responsibility for their actions. There are people ranging from top goverment officials, the FBI, IRS, parents, and lowly teens being their computers all working to make sure bucci & crew get what they deserve. It's kinda like a serial killer who "reforms" and stops killing for a few years. He may seem like an upstanding individual upon the reformation, but it doesn't take away the fact that he used to be a serial killer, and will still rot in jail.
{as a side note.....bucci is like a serial killer. soo many people tried to commit suicide directly because of bucci's actions. sean davis. neesa R, amy klemm, just to name a few.....amy is still brain dead from the lack of oxygen when she tried to hang herself.}
you have no right to say abuse did not happen. I personally was forced to chop trees in a lighting storm while being fed only three ham & cheese sandwiches (mind you, i'm jewish and keep kosher) for seven days straight. nowandays restrictions eats the same food as gen pop, and dietary restrictions are observed. I was thrown on the ground and sat on by six enormous guys for cracking a joke - i was sent to the hospital with three broken ribs. now they only "restrain" people when they are a clear and imminent threat to themselves or others. I was forced to march around the mountains in below freezing temperatures which gave me pneumonia - the doctor prescribed ZYRTEC for my pneumonia. I spent one of my vacations from HLA on an IV in the hospital getting pumped full of antibiotics. when i broke an arm playing soccer, that doctor changed the prescription to claratin. That doctor was fired a long time ago for doing an unwarranted scrotum exam on a twelve year old. when i refused to take my claratin, i was sat on, again, while my ribs were still broken, forcing me to go to the hospital again to have them re-set. and no, HLA did not allow me to take the painkillers i was perscribed to for my broken ribs and arm. nor did they let me take them for when i got my wisdom teeth taken out. no vicodin, no percocet, just neurontin, claratin, and advil. while all of this was happening i was being forced to make up things in my past to admit to doing in reals, as "disclosures" to match the intensity of my peer's disclosure so i could stop having to chop trees in the rain and start eating normal food. while i had all those broken bones. yes, i had to chop trees with my four broken bones. oh, did i mention that i was forced to keep my broken bones a secret from my parents under threats of continueing to have to chop trees and eat ham sandwiches indefinitely? i was only allowed to tell them six months later when i was about to graduate. that was in 1998, and that was just my experience. I've seen worse things happen but i wont disclose them because i respect people's privacy and emotions regarding the events.
so, MS. abuse doesnt happen, go fuck yourself. Go back to HLA and keep listening to you Ipod in your dorm, swim in your fancy pool, ride your horses, enjoy your brand new mold-free academic building and have your counselors baby you around all day. the HLA of yesteryear was a whole different ball game.
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because those things never happened. only somebody very thin-skinned would mistake anything that occurred at HLA as abuse.
This is bologna. I personally witnessed many instances of abuse. The intentional infliction of physical and emotional distress was the MO du jour at HLA. To say otherwise indicates that you are not familiar with how HLA works or that you are dissembling.
I believe these kids (many are adults now, my first caseload from HLA turns 30 this year) because I can verify what they are saying through my own experience with HLA. It's really that plain and simple.
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RIP Tyson Tully
so, i guess HLA doesnt save lives, does it?
and i guess it doesnt make anyone "succeed"...the guy never got an education, worked at a resturant and had a kid. at 25.
i would put money on this being self-inflicted: Drug overdose, suicide, overeating, etc.
"The guy" was my friend, you smarmy bitch.
I am not a fan of HLA, but I would NEVER dream of slandering a HLA survivor to make a point. You must be ashamed to have written such a despicable thing.
Tyson was a sweetheart.
Who the HELL are you to pass judgment on my friend's life and speculate about his death?
Anyone would have a much easier time of pegging YOUR character from that post than you did of pegging Tyson's from his obituary.
If this is your idea of making a case against HLA, than I think I speak for everyone when I say we'd rather not have your help.
You are disgusting.
I agree GET SERIOUS!
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to the person with the long list of abuses they suffered, im sorry you went through that, but you should be going after the individuals who did that to you, not the entire system. lets not blow up all of afghanistan in the attempt to kill osama bin laden.
i realize that hla of "yesteryear" was completely different from how it is "nowadays". i got sent in '05 and graduated in '07 and things were, as you would say, "cushy". and that's the whole point. HLA is not the same as it used to be. and whether you all want to admit it or not, it DID help people. i've seen it in many of the people from my grad group and myself.
goodness, it's exhausting being angry. i cant imagine how empty all your lives are.
here's your sad little forum back.
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Wow, that one was easy to chase off. You know who else it might be? Aften "I love tuna" Thurston. That girl with the pubes on her face?
In any event you still seem to be unable to provide a clear example of I or any of us blaming the problems of the world on HLA. We're simply holding them accountable for their own actions. The only reason you experienced HLA as being by any means "cushy" is soley because of us.
You seem to be inconsistent in your approach. You claim we should accept respondsibility for our own actions, yet you dont feel the staff at HLA should? Someone yesterday used the example of a reformed serial killer. Just because he hasnt murdered anyone lately doesnt change the past. Why do you employ such a blatent double standard?
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given the dates are correct, it's not aften, aften graduated in 04'.
graduated, We are not necessarily going after the whole system. we are going after the people responsible. (There are a few radical individuals like Che or Psy that want the whole TBS system shut down by the govt but we all know that will never happen due to the staggering demand for such schools). it just so happens that the people responsible are 90% of the people who work administration at HLA, particularly buccelato. at the core, his problem was a philosophy of forced indoctrination, a lack of compassion, profit maximization, all combined with a total disregard for ethical business practices. Everything we are upset about is either a direct or indirect result of those four things.
I wouldnt mind if HLA existed. I just dont want Bucci and crew to run it, and things should change drastically. It sits on a very nice piece of land and has alot of potential to be a good school. The problem is it is still, as it has been in the past, primarily a thought-reform center and a school only second. The move away from thought-reform center towards a good school can only occur when the people who carried out or sanctioned the abusive methods are no longer allowed to have any influence in the school. Due to the fact that Bucci owns the school, getting the school shut down is necessary collateral damage.
on another note, "graduated", you have only been out for two years now. give it some time and you will realize much of what you have learned at HLA, both theraputic and scholastic elements, is absolute, total bullshit. sure it may have helped you in a certain way - if you came in with bullimia, anorexia, serious addiction problems to HARD drugs, or a tendency to inflict self-harm, then HLA probably did help you stop doing those things. But they did it while indoctrinating you with BS which will hold you back from being a fully functional adult and experiencing life to the fullest. There are other ways of doing helping people that does not involve brainwashing them with unrelated bullshit.
another issue you should keep in mind is that from my time (97'-98') up untill recently, most of the individuals sent to HLA did not need to be helped, they just had a hard time growing up. they had issues such as smoking pot, arguing with parents, playing computer games too much or loosing their virginity too early for their parent's taste. those kids got sent to HLA not because they needed help, but because the parents were sick of dealing with them and would rather pay to have those kids be someone else's problem, and/or the parents also being highly indoctrinated with socially irresponsible values which they wish to but failed to pass along to their kids. While these poor kids were at HLA, Bucci liked to accept a handfull of VERY bad apples who were violent and court ordered. these bad kids harassed and further abused the other kids, and set bad examples for them. maybe you've heard of the girl who got raped with a tree limb. or the "fight club" in dorm B. or how on numerous occasions girls brought MDMA or cocaine in up their cooter and introduced it to other girls who have never and would have never done it if it wasnt for HLA. Or the time someone convinced a kid to eat jimson weed that was growing in lower left. Or the occasions when kids were sexually assaulted by their roommates. the list goes on and on. so basically there were kids that did not need an institution combined with kids who needed a little therapy, along with a few kids who needed to be in prison or mental hospitals or inpatient rehabs, all in the same school. Bucci tried to take the middle road so he can cater to all demographics to maximize enrollments and therefore profits. You cant cater to all the demographics at once, it just doesnt work.
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goodness, it's exhausting being angry. i cant imagine how empty all your lives are.
Being Angry = Empty Life
Sounds like some of that HLA bullshit therapy.
Tip: "graduated", if you never get angry, if you never feel the urge to speak out about injustices you have experienced or witnessed, if you think good mental health is walking around with a smile all the time, if you see everyone who is different as "defective"; then HLAs brainwashing worked. Congrats. Hope it works well for you. :seg: