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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: FemanonFatal2.0 on January 15, 2009, 06:34:28 PM
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I have heard from an inside source that Tranquility Bay in Jamaica has been closed for good. The last child has left the building as of yesterday!!
I don't see any news coverage yet but ill keep my eye out. (and I might even tip them off myself tee hee hee)
Lets take a minute to Thank the people who were brave enough to make this happen and be grateful that hundreds of teens lives were saved today.
100th post yea!!
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:birthday: :deal: :rasta: ;D :jamin: :-* :o :bs: :seg: :seg2:
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Were high-caliber firearms involved?
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Their website is an essentially blank page save for the words "Under Construction."
http://www.tranquilitybay.org/ (http://www.tranquilitybay.org/)
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There is talk about Obama closing Gitmo next week. Kind of weird, them both closing at the same time like this.
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as much as i would like this to be true i have heard it a hundred times before. for me to believe it i want something from wwasps itself saying that TB is closed.
i hope it is, that way i might be able to sleep better at night knowing that no one else will go through what i did.
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there is also a rumor on myspace that spring creek also closed.
http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... 6F52713093 (http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=71525618&groupID=100272570&adTopicID=29&Mytoken=51E83522-F2E6-4435-8B3B1837E188B46F52713093)
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rolllllll on recession.. best part of it ever.
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as much as i would like this to be true i have heard it a hundred times before. for me to believe it i want something from wwasps itself saying that TB is closed.
i hope it is, that way i might be able to sleep better at night knowing that no one else will go through what i did.
Me too... thats why I am encourages the major news stations to look into it in fact if anyone wants to help me with this let me know... the more we flood the inbox of the news station the more apt they are to follow the lead.
FR I need you espeically to write a letter to tell them what you experienced there.
Heres the info I got for ABC
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Thank you for your request to ABC News.
To submit a story idea to one of the ABC News shows listed below, write a single page letter including your name, phone number, and address. Include photocopies of backup information. On the outside of the envelope, write "Story Idea." If a producer is interested in your story, he/she will contact you. Here are the show addresses:
20/20
147 Columbus Avenue
New York, NY 10023
Primetime
147 Columbus Avenue
New York, NY 10023
Nightline/This Week
1717 DeSales Street NW
Washington, DC 20036
World News With Charles Gibson
47 West 66th Street 2nd Floor
New York, NY 10023
Good Morning America
147 Columbus Avenue
New York, NY 10023
If you are submitting a Local news story:
-Go to ABC.com
-Go the very bottom of the screen and click on “LOCAL STATIONS”
-Follow the instructions on the map to find the local station e-mail, website, address and phone number.
Note: The Company’s long-established policy does not allow us to accept for review or consideration any ideas, suggestions, or creative materials not solicited by us or our subsidiaries. Therefore, in the event that you have submitted such content, please be advised that the submission has been forwarded to the Company’s legal department for handling.
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Just got a confirmation from a reliable source. It seems TB is, indeed, closed. But we'll still have to wait for confirmation to start popping the champagne. There have been "false alarms" with TB in the past. Things do look good, though.
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Anyone know the reason why? Sources?
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My bet would be:
economic recession --> consolidation into fewer facilities
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If that's really the reason, then they will be back when the recession comes to an end. Too bad they weren't closed because parents came to their senses, and realized torturing your kid like a terrorist in Gitmo isn't going to solve their family problems. Too bad...
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Actually, I have an educated hunch that it DOES have something to do with what we have been doing here. Ill just say that our voices have reached some important people who cant be named at the moment but the words my source used were "Closed for GOOD"
I can only speculate at this moment, I think the truth will come out sooner or later but from what I have heard it sounds like speaking out has finally made a difference.
It could also have to do with the fact that WWASP is changing, it changed its name and many schools have dropped out and become independent so I could guess that if WWASP voluntarily closed its doors it was because not many people have given TB a glowing review, and the new WWASP, Teen Revitalization, wants to separate themselves from that reputation. As you may have heard before TB had some leasing/ licensing problems and there was significant damage after the hurricane hit last year... so in the mind of a business man, closing a branch makes much more fiscal sense than keeping it afloat. So even if it is the economy, it does have something to do with us, because if it didnt they would have shut down a bigger school in the US that costs way more to operate.
BUT I have a feeling that Oceanside will step up to take its place, it could very well be the next TB, where WWASP sends all their rejects and give the staff instructions to use physical force and intimidation to keep them in line.
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many schools have dropped out and become independent
LOL. That's not quite true. They claim to be independent, but they're not really. Still got the same billing address for ALL the schools. I have up to date contracts for all of them.
WWASP is changing, but all they're doing is diversifying into more complex front groups.
I do think, however, that negative criticism has had a LOT to do with the decline of their business and is exactly what is making these changes necessary for them (why else would they be doing that). What's needed now is to target the schools individually by those names and make sure to tie them back to wwasp with proof (which we have).
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For their system to work, they need a place for youth violating their zero-tolerance policy. Some needs to obtain the latest version of one of their contracts. Then the answer is given.
Gulf Coast Academy (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Gulf_Coast_Academy) turned out to be too expensive to repair if they want to stop the youth from escaping the facility.
I see Oceanside (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Oceanside) as a finishing school for Ivy Ridge, which cannot issue papers from their normal diploma mill due to laws in the state of New York. It is too small and placed in the middle of Rosarito where the authorities can see what is going on very easy. Wouldn't the neighbors react to the screams?
I think that they learned their lesson so off-shore camps need to be for youth, they have broken.
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many schools have dropped out and become independent
LOL. That's not quite true. They claim to be independent, but they're not really. Still got the same billing address for ALL the schools. I have up to date contracts for all of them.
WWASP is changing, but all they're doing is diversifying into more complex front groups.
I do think, however, that negative criticism has had a LOT to do with the decline of their business and is exactly what is making these changes necessary for them (why else would they be doing that). What's needed now is to target the schools individually by those names and make sure to tie them back to wwasp with proof (which we have).
Right on the money Psy.
Programs only change because they have to. It costs money to change locations, names, etc. I see this as a defensive move on their part. No matter what they do, we need to follow them and let them know we will not stop watching them closely.
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The key to remember is that parents considering such schools will no longer be searching for "WWASP" to research such schools, and they may just buy the bullshit that the schools have cut off ties with the less savory organzation (implies they've cleaned up their act, which history says does not happen)
So. In a sense, I think we're one step of the game targeting individual WWASP schools with websites, but we need to work on those fast before they get a foothold. They watch these sites, absolutely, and the race is on. Its time we got off our duffs with the Darrington, Midwest, SCLA, etc, sites.
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Yep, and however long this recession lasts will be the best time to strike. This next year will be a very interesting time.
When I was a kid, I taught myself how to catch fish with my hands one summer. At first, it didn't work and they would always slip out of my grasp or I would get a sharp barb in my hand. I thought I would never be able to catch them but I was stubborn. As time passed, I didn't give up and I found different techniques to fool the fish and I altered the way I would hunt them. I learned about speed, planning, mudding the water and corraling them into a shallow section where they were cornered. I learned a lot more than that, but the end result was that by the end of the summer, I could catch a fish with my hands every time. I learned this because I was patient and paid close attention to my techniques and what I was doing wrong.
These programs are slippery and smart, but we can hunt them. And we can stop them.
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I like that analogy.
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OMG!! Nothing would make me happier than to be able to confirm that TB is really closed. I will keep checking this thread. The mere fact that this particular school has stayed open with parents still CHOOSING to send their kid to a program rife with negative media attention has been a motivator in keeping myself involved in this cause!
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Actually given the choice I would close Majestic Ranch next. it is easy to forget that this place keeps 10 year olds.
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Yep, and however long this recession lasts will be the best time to strike. This next year will be a very interesting time.
When I was a kid, I taught myself how to catch fish with my hands one summer. At first, it didn't work and they would always slip out of my grasp or I would get a sharp barb in my hand. I thought I would never be able to catch them but I was stubborn. As time passed, I didn't give up and I found different techniques to fool the fish and I altered the way I would hunt them. I learned about speed, planning, mudding the water and corraling them into a shallow section where they were cornered. I learned a lot more than that, but the end result was that by the end of the summer, I could catch a fish with my hands every time. I learned this because I was patient and paid close attention to my techniques and what I was doing wrong.
These programs are slippery and smart, but we can hunt them. And we can stop them.
I like that analogy.
:agree:
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yes im so happy it is closed. the worst exp of my life
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Actually given the choice I would close Majestic Ranch next. it is easy to forget that this place keeps 10 year olds.
my money would be on Pillars of Hope, located in Costa Rica.
still away from the American laws.
BUT i still feel that untill i SEE PROF that TB is closed it is not closed. you can say anything you want i have heard it a hundred times before and it was wrong. and when i see prof that TB is closed ill be sick for a week due to intoxication.
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My fingers are crossed for the confirmation that this hellhole has been closed. All these places do is ruin family trust and create problems for the futures kids. It has to end entirely.
YOu need a license in this country even to catch a fish, people, but not to raise children or it seemed for a while to open a private school. :birthday:
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If it is factual that TB is finally closed I will be quite happy. There wont be much to do in regard to clean up there that is for sure. A few plastic chairs and pencils and we can hit it will a bulldozer and put up the survivor resort! :seg: :rocker: :rasta:
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screw the bulldozer im a farmer and know how to get rid of prairie dog holes if you know what i mean.
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Actually given the choice I would close Majestic Ranch next. it is easy to forget that this place keeps 10 year olds.
my money would be on Pillars of Hope, located in Costa Rica.
still away from the American laws.
BUT i still feel that untill i SEE PROF that TB is closed it is not closed. you can say anything you want i have heard it a hundred times before and it was wrong. and when i see prof that TB is closed ill be sick for a week due to intoxication.
I believe that they have to search for another place. The court stated that abuse had been done, but the employers managed to flee the country before justice could catch them. As the present sub-contract states:
Pilares de Esperanza Language and Vocational Institute
This agreement is made for the specific intention of transferring a student to Pilares de Esperanza from a similar
school. Students must have achieved Merit Status 2 – Achievement Status with 500 Merits, be enrolled in the
similar school for a minimum of two months, and apply for the Study Abroad option to qualify for transfer to
Pilares de Esperanza. They must have successfully graduated Orientation Seminar. If needed, a passport can be
obtained while the student is qualifying to transfer. Any class work and merits from his/her success program
will transfer with him/her to POHLVI of Costa Rica after meeting the requirements to transfer to Costa Rica. If
at any time students choose by their actions or preference to leave Costa Rica, or are expelled from the school,
parents/sponsors may choose to reenroll their student at their previous school.
Once the student has qualified to transfer and has a passport, s/he will be transferred to Pilares de Esperanza.
There is a one thousand five hundred (1,500) transfer fee that can be split in two equal payments over two
months and paid with the student monthly fee paid at <webpage address>. The transfer fee will cover costs
of round-trip transportation to Costa Rica and passport if needed. After transferring to Costa Rica, sponsors will
be billed for the following tuition and fees schedule starting:
As for Oceanside, which I also don't believe is the new TB, I have more info. The senior staff is:
Program director: Amy Ritchie
Medical director: Dr. Habib Kuri
Parent Coordinator: Christina Kaminski
Maybe some of the names ring a bell. If you want to drive there:
DIRECTIONS FROM THE BORDER TO OCEANSIDE
Close to the border on the U.S. side are stores where you can buy vehicle insurance for the day.
* From the San Diego border crossing (I-5 / I-805) follow the orange construction signs that say Rosarito, Playas de Tijuana (in the middle lane)
* Follow Playas de Tijuana signs toward the left that bring you onto Scenic Road Route 1
* Follow Route 1 about 20 miles until you see signs for Rosarito
* Soon after the 2nd Rosarito exit, Rosarito Centro, slow down and prepare to take the 3rd Rosarito exit. There is a Jersey Leche (milk) plant and a Pemex Gas station on the right of the highway, just off the exit.
* After exiting the highway, take the first right
* The milk plant and gas station will be on your right and a small auto repair garage on your left.
* Oceanside is the orange building on the left just past the auto repair garage.
You may pull into the covered parking.
Free parking!!! Let me sign my kids up at once.
I guess that we have to look at another place for a placement of their zero-tolerance kids. We just have to continue to digg.
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Does ANYONE have any real, concrete proof that it's closed?
I'm talking about anything *other* than anonymous, unnamed sources.
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Does ANYONE have any real, concrete proof that it's closed?
I'm talking about anything *other* than anonymous, unnamed sources.
Not yet, but SCLA's closing started as a rumor first as well. Time will tell whether or not the sources are accurate.
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A retired teacher (official from Kingston. Unofficial from ....) came looking for a job at TB. (http://http://treasurebeach.net/discus/messages/1584/11701.html?1232932985)
The answer:
Tranquillity Bay is now closed. However, I am hearing rumors of a HEART Academy coming in. Does anyone have further information on this?
Just follow the thread on the local community board. Lets see what they are saying. Someone has to work there.
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ISAC confirmed.
Un-frakking-believable... I've waited for years to hear this.
Drinks are of me tonight.