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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anne Bonney on July 29, 2008, 10:52:08 AM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... dment.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/2466354/Church-exorcism-protected-by-First-Amendment.html)
Church exorcism protected by First Amendment
A woman who claims she was injured during an exorcism performed by a Texas church group is reportedly planning to take her case to the US Supreme Court after state judges ruled the actions of the church were protected by the First Amendment.
By Catherine Elsworth in Los Angeles
Last Updated: 1:34PM BST 29 Jul 2008
Laura Schubert Pearson's lawsuit accusing members of the Pleasant Glade Assembly of God Church of subjecting her to a two-day exorcism ordeal in 1996 that left her so distressed she attempted suicide was dismissed by the Texas Supreme Court last month.
The judges overturned a lower court's decision awarding her damages and ruled that because Mrs Schubert Pearson's claims of injury amounted to a religious dispute over church doctrine it would be "unconstitutional" for the court to get involved.
Religious freedom campaigners say the case strikes at the heart of the US Constitution's First Amendment, which prohibits government interference in the free exercise of religion, and were the US Supreme Court to rule in Mrs Schubert Pearson's favour, it would signal "the end of church independence and religious freedom" in America.
Mrs Schubert Pearson, 29, claims she was left bruised and traumatised after members of her church group allegedly kept her captive for two days so they could perform an exorcism in which was pinned to the ground and "pummelled".
The incident happened after fellow members of the church group became convinced she was possessed by demons. She was 17 at the time.
After the alleged ordeal, she dropped out of school and tried to slit her wrists.
She told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, a Texas paper, that she was determined to seek justice from her alleged abusers after the Texas Supreme Court threw out her case claiming physical and emotional injury.
"You can't use your religious beliefs to get away with harming a child," the mother of two who now lives in Georgia told the paper. "This is so much bigger than myself. This is about not allowing the cover of religion to permit physical abuse in a church, and particularly to a child."
In the Texas Supreme Court ruling, Justice David Medina, writing for the majority, said that were the court to get involved and dictate a church's religious activities it would have "an unconstitutional 'chilling effect'".
The decision was opposed by three dissenting justices. Chief Justice Wallace Jefferson said it was "inconsistent with US Supreme Court precedent and extends far beyond the protections our Constitution affords religious conduct."
"The First Amendment guards religious liberty; it does not sanction intentional abuse in religion's name," he wrote.
Hiram Sasser, director of litigation for Liberty Legal Institute, a non-profit organisation representing litigants in religious freedom cases, said the separation of church and state prevented government interference in religious practices except in extreme examples such as sexual abuse.
And while this might mean "certain harms may go unaddressed", he said, "the larger protection of the church and religious freedom is the overriding concern."
Mrs Schubert Pearson's claims were largely emotional and "so interwoven with religious practices" there was no way for a court to get involved, he added.
"The government can't get involved in overseeing religious practices. The best way to say it is it's not American.
"If she did prevail that would erase about 150 years of law in this country from the Supreme Court saying the government does not get involved in the internal affairs and operations of the church. It would effectively be the end of church independence and religious freedom in our country."
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." C.S. Lewis
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." C.S. Lewis
You live in the freest country to ever exist on this planet, yet you still bitch and whine about being oppressed. I'd like to see you living in a third world crap hole like the other 90% of this planet and see you complain about how good you got it. I hate people like you who don't realize they are the most spoiled generation ever to have been born, ever.
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You live in the freest country to ever exist on this planet, yet you still bitch and whine about being oppressed. I'd like to see you living in a third world crap hole like the other 90% of this planet and see you complain about how good you got it. I hate people like you who don't realize they are the most spoiled generation ever to have been born, ever.
Wow. Touch a nerve there, did I? I didn't say I was oppressed. I posted an article about a girl who had the living hell beaten out of her, by her church. What the hell are YOU talking about? I hate people who don't read for comprehension.
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I can't understand Anne Bonneys posts !!!
All I see when I read them is,
"whine, whine, whine, oppression, victim, whine, feel sorry for me, boo hoo, my childhood, whine, whine, boo hoo, cry."
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I can't understand Anne Bonneys posts !!!
I don't doubt that a bit. You do seem a bit on the slow side.
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I didn't know Anne was in kindergarten. That's the last time I saw such a infantile insult as calling someone dumb!! Take your time Anne you might come up with a more interesting response worthy of everyone's time. Until then, keep your mouth shut.
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I didn't know Anne was in kindergarten. That's the last time I saw such a infantile insult as calling someone dumb!!
Oh bullshit. You're not new here. This is Fornits, remember?
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I said keep your mouth shut.
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I said keep your mouth shut.
And that's supposed to mean.....what?
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Your pie hole, close it.
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Your pie hole, close it.
Make me.
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You have revealed how childish this forum really is. I thank you for that.
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You have revealed how childish this forum really is. I thank you for that.
Good. Don't let the door hit ya in the ass.........
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Wouldn't you like it if you could just wipe my opinion out. Your true colors are showing, Stalin Bonney.
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Wouldn't you like it if you could just wipe my opinion out. Your true colors are showing, Stalin Bonney.
No, contrary. I've enjoyed this. You've made such a complete ass out of yourself that you've managed to entertain me for a few boring hours at work.
Thanks!
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I'd say it's you who have made the ass of yourself, Stalin Bonney. Let me guess, you are wearing red?