Fornits
Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 03, 2008, 11:19:56 AM
-
http://breakthroughinterventions.net/who.html (http://breakthroughinterventions.net/who.html)
Ewwww ... not sure if others have heard of this org. but I thought I would post a link.
-
http://breakthroughinterventions.net/who.html (http://breakthroughinterventions.net/who.html)
Ewwww ... not sure if others have heard of this org. but I thought I would post a link.
I love their definition of "intervention" : "Intervention (noun): a planned act of love and concern with key objectives."
Our interventions address risky behavior such as:
Substance Abuse
Eating Disorders
Depression or Mood Disorders
Self-Harming Behaviors
Irritability
Apathy
School-Performance issues
Poor Self-Care
Distorted Self-Concept
Self-Defeating Behaviors
I love it how everybody fits into at least one of those categories. And who the hell is to decide what is a "distorted self concept".
-
Yeah, good point Psy.
Did you notice at least one staff member once worked for ASR?
Be interesting if any survivors of ASR know or remember these people.
-
I love their definition of "intervention" : "Intervention (noun): a planned act of love and concern with key objectives."
Funny, Webster lists the definition of intervention as follows:
in·ter·vene Listen to the pronunciation of intervene
Pronunciation:
?in-t?r-?v?n
Function:
intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s):
in·ter·vened; in·ter·ven·ing
Etymology:
Latin intervenire to come between, from inter- + venire to come — more at come
Date:
1587
1: to occur, fall, or come between points of time or events
2: to enter or appear as an irrelevant or extraneous feature or circumstance
3 a: to come in or between by way of hindrance or modification b: to interfere with the outcome or course especially of a condition or process (as to prevent harm or improve functioning)
4: to occur or lie between two things
5 a: to become a third party to a legal proceeding begun by others for the protection of an alleged interest
b: to interfere usually by force or threat of force in another nation's internal affairs especially to compel or prevent an action
-
LOLS, Psy - good catch! Check this out. That's 2 confirmed former ASR staff on board. The other being the woman at the bottom of the about us page. Maybe we should post a link to this thread in the ASR forum?
James Murray
James Murray now resides with his wife Phoebe in Williamsburg, Massachusetts. He is a counseling supervisor at The Academy at Swift River, an emotional growth boarding school located in nearby Cummington. He is a graduate of Kenyon College, not far from Columbus, where he majored in religious studies.
http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/It ... 24327.aspx (http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail~bookid~24327.aspx)
-
Whoops, sorry I meant LOLS, good catch Anne. My bad. ;D
-
We collaborate with educational consultants and highly recommend their services. We also work in conjunction with family therapists, wilderness programs, therapeutic schools, treatment centers, pastoral counseling and colleges.
Hmmm. Be interested to see which programs they work in "conjunction" with.
-
I love their definition of "intervention" : "Intervention (noun): a planned act of love and concern with key objectives."
Funny, Webster lists the definition of intervention as follows:
in·ter·vene Listen to the pronunciation of intervene
Pronunciation:
?in-t?r-?v?n
Function:
intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s):
in·ter·vened; in·ter·ven·ing
Etymology:
Latin intervenire to come between, from inter- + venire to come — more at come
Date:
1587
1: to occur, fall, or come between points of time or events
2: to enter or appear as an irrelevant or extraneous feature or circumstance
3 a: to come in or between by way of hindrance or modification b: to interfere with the outcome or course especially of a condition or process (as to prevent harm or improve functioning)
4: to occur or lie between two things
5 a: to become a third party to a legal proceeding begun by others for the protection of an alleged interest
b: to interfere usually by force or threat of force in another nation's internal affairs especially to compel or prevent an action
Interesting vernacular, What a great example of linguistic subterfuge.
Thanks Anne Bonney'
And to psy:
With the current social ills, I don't see how anyone who is mentally healthy wouldn't exhibit one of these behaviors. These behaviors are reactions to negative social stimuli, not an inherent action.
Substance Abuse
Eating Disorders
Depression or Mood Disorders
Self-Harming Behaviors
Irritability
Apathy
School-Performance issues
Poor Self-Care
Distorted Self-Concept
Self-Defeating Behaviors
Question: If a program receives state or federal grants, do they still have the legal ability to use a religious doctrine, such as the 12 steps etc., which is basically god-based treatment? I know these programs are generally privately run but I thought I heard that if any organization receives public funding, it can no longer incorporate any religion into it's methods. Just a thought.
T
-
Statement from a so-called client:
"The person who was intervened on has withered and died; and a vigorous, proud young man has grown in his place. Today, I bring eagerness to the challenges, joys, and sorrows that lie ahead. Now I am blessed with the vision that I once lacked."
- Client, Ohio
"Withered and died"? No teen should ever utter the words "vigorous, proud young man" It just isn't natural. This tells me all I need to know. Reminds me of when I was brainwashed. I am sure at some point, I said something similar to this.
-
Statement from a so-called client:
"The person who was intervened on has withered and died; and a vigorous, proud young man has grown in his place. Today, I bring eagerness to the challenges, joys, and sorrows that lie ahead. Now I am blessed with the vision that I once lacked."
- Client, Ohio
"Withered and died"? No teen should ever utter the words "vigorous, proud young man" It just isn't natural. This tells me all I need to know. Reminds me of when I was brainwashed. I am sure at some point, I said something similar to this.
Second generation thought reform... Attacking the self concept.
http://www.google.com/search?q=second+g ... ght+reform (http://www.google.com/search?q=second+generation+thought+reform)
In the newer thought reform programs, attacks appear to be designed to destabilize the subject's most central aspects of the experience of the self. The newer programs undermine a person's basic consciousness, reality awareness, beliefs and worldview, emotional control, and defense mechanisms. We suggest that attacking the stability and quality of evaluations of self-concepts is the principal effective technique used in the conduct of a coercive thought reform and behavior control program.
source (http://http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing10.html) [emphasis added]
Another good link on the topic:
http://holysmoke.org/cos/thought-reform2.htm (http://holysmoke.org/cos/thought-reform2.htm)
-
Question: If a program receives state or federal grants, do they still have the legal ability to use a religious doctrine, such as the 12 steps etc., which is basically god-based treatment? I know these programs are generally privately run but I thought I heard that if any organization receives public funding, it can no longer incorporate any religion into it's methods. Just a thought.
True. And it's been tested in court.
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-spirrel.html#judges (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-spirrel.html#judges)
-
wow you people are so judgmental. you have no real clue what they do and yet you want to tear them down. this james guy seems like an interesting person deciding to live among homeless to learn about them and truly understand them. but none of you have the guts to do something like that. you just in your fornits tower and cast down judgment against anyone who does nothtink like you. it is either hate all programs and anything connected to it or die. no one can ever win against you. i will sit back and wait patiently for you all to do what you do best and tear apart this post and call me whatever you want.
-
None Judgmental - don't freak out - share your opinion and let's talk about it and see what we can learn from each other. ASR is a controversial program. Not all former alumni sing it's praises. Does that make them wrong? Of course not. Fornits exists because programs exist. Most members are openminded and happy to have a debate/discussion with likeminded individuals no matter what side of the fence they sit on. Thanks for posting. Hope you will join the discussion!
-
The second objective is to assist family members and loved ones to become a unified front. This will help eliminate the ways in which adolescents and young adults manipulate family members so that they can continue their behavior. Adolescents will not change a behavior that works for them. This fundamental foundation of behavior drives our intervention process. At Breakthrough Interventions, we create the opportunity for your adolescent or young adult to experience first hand that their behaviors will no longer achieve their desired outcome... [sick fuckery, ad nauseum]
You want us to understand that? That's like asking us to stare into a bowl of diarrhea and try to figure out what could possibly be wrong with the bowels of the person who made it. Do you know how many things have to be seriously wrong with you before you can even type that? They must have no soul, and I mean that very literally; they were simply born without self-awareness, and the neurons that make up what passes for their though process cannot even conceive of the concept of free will. All in all, "Breakthrough Interventions" comes out as a rough equivalent of this (http://http://www.thespankingcorner.com/stories/lurkingdragon/index.html), but at least the latter guy knows he's writing fiction. Do these people have children of their own? Can they? I can't imagine the person who wrote this having a kid surviving beyond the age of, say, eight months. "We have to ignore his crying, it's the only way he'll learn. Hey, do you smell something burning?"
To write that requires a serious lack of compassion and a huge misunderstanding of psychological principles. To get on here and defend it defies belief. You'd have better luck trying to pass off The Turner Diaries as a great literary work than come here and peddle this bullcrap.
-
wow you people are so judgmental. you have no real clue what they do and yet you want to tear them down. this james guy seems like an interesting person deciding to live among homeless to learn about them and truly understand them. but none of you have the guts to do something like that. you just in your fornits tower and cast down judgment against anyone who does nothtink like you. it is either hate all programs and anything connected to it or die. no one can ever win against you. i will sit back and wait patiently for you all to do what you do best and tear apart this post and call me whatever you want.
is this the "Who?" Or do random newbies make statements like "fornits tower?"
-
Thanks for the links psy, Just when I think I can't find any more information...someone like you throws me a curveball.
Is this what a thread being derailed looks like? I think I am starting to understand. The question is, who is arguing with whom? I would hazard a guess that it is one person pretending to be two or several others.
This is my opinion. I am sure I am not the only one who recognizes this pattern. Fornits is a strange place. psy, do you know why someone would want to marginalize you or cloud any threads you post on?
T
-
If people would stop trying to second guess motives or even flat out accusing others of being "posers" or "judgemental assholes" before the second page we just might get Fornits back to what it used to be - a place to discuss the dark side of the TTI and hopefully coerce (okay, bad word .... let's try "persuade") parents into thinking and acting like ... PARENTS ... instead of mindless cult-ripe recruits selling out their kids.
Back on topic - this outfit works with ed cons, programs, etc.
I want to know which ones. And whether they get any referral fees. I am confused who pays for their "services". The parents?
-
Thanks for the links psy, Just when I think I can't find any more information...someone like you throws me a curveball.
Is this what a thread being derailed looks like?
Yes. And the only way to prevent it is to stay on topic.
-
psy, do you know why someone would want to marginalize you or cloud any threads you post on?
Yes... but there is nothing I can do about it other than to ignore it.
Or you can post stuff in the "safe place" forum where i can delete trolls.
-
wow you people are so judgmental. you have no real clue what they do and yet you want to tear them down. this james guy seems like an interesting person deciding to live among homeless to learn about them and truly understand them. but none of you have the guts to do something like that.
lurk moar. You might start to understand us... or perhaps find we know exactly what we're talking about.
Back to the topic... getting to the bottom of who these people are associated with.
-
and hopefully coerce (okay, bad word .... let's try "persuade") parents into thinking and acting like ... PARENTS ... instead of mindless cult-ripe recruits selling out their kids.
:D
Back on topic - this outfit works with ed cons, programs, etc.
I want to know which ones. And whether they get any referral fees. I am confused who pays for their "services". The parents?
(http://http://www.thisboardrocks.com/forum/images/smilies/ufo.gif)(http://http://www.thisboardrocks.com/forum/images/smilies/bong_hit.gif)
-
well many of what i predicted would happen. i was torn down and i was accused of being someone else because i dared disagree with what people here were saying. i am person who blieves you do not condemn a whole field because of incidents that happen in it. i do not condemn the whole of police in the world because of incidents that happen. i label a bad a bad cop but continue to assume that most care about they do and do it well. i think most teachers care genuinely about their students and are not only trying to sleep with their students. it does not matter where these people came from....all i care about is what they do and what they are trying to do in helping teens and their families. i wish the people woud learn that not ALL programs are bad. does the industry need to be regulated.....yes moreso than it is....but not to the level you all believe in (from wha ti have read) let these people work and try to contact them and find out what they are doing rather than assuming.
-
well many of what i predicted would happen.
WTF are you smoking and can I have some? TWO people responded to your post. TWO.
-
well many of what i predicted would happen. i was torn down and i was accused of being someone else because i dared disagree with what people here were saying. i am person who blieves you do not condemn a whole field because of incidents that happen in it. i do not condemn the whole of police in the world because of incidents that happen. i label a bad a bad cop but continue to assume that most care about they do and do it well. i think most teachers care genuinely about their students and are not only trying to sleep with their students. it does not matter where these people came from....all i care about is what they do and what they are trying to do in helping teens and their families. i wish the people woud learn that not ALL programs are bad. does the industry need to be regulated.....yes moreso than it is....but not to the level you all believe in (from wha ti have read) let these people work and try to contact them and find out what they are doing rather than assuming.
Translation: we're onto something. That's why damage control (see above) is here.
I suggest we start looking at Staff connections to existing Aspen Group Schools.
I'm going to post the whole of the Staff Bios here, because, in my experience, they change rather quickly when the light starts to shine on them.
James Murray, M.S., is the Founder and Executive Director of Breakthrough Interventions LLC. He is a nationally recognized author and speaker. James has been creating interventions with adolescents and young adults for the last 12 years in therapeutic schools, residential treatment centers, after-care programs and individually all around the country. He has been a counselor, supervisor and director in various program capacities all the while utilizing his life experience and training to help individuals and families in crisis. James can reach people who are lost and need direction. He has brought together this extraordinary team to offer a powerful intervention service to families. James is also an avid skier, golfer, chef and sculptor. [now known he worked/works at ASR (http://http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail~bookid~24327.aspx). Wonder why that isn't here...]
Candice Porter is a Licensed Independent Clinical Social Worker (LICSW) with a Masters in Clinical Social Work. She has been working over 8 years with children, adolescents, and families in multiple settings including residential treatment, therapeutic boarding school, wilderness therapy program, home based therapy, outpatient therapy, and public high schools. Candice’s passion is helping struggling teens and their families find a point of connection to progress forward and get the knowledge and resources they need. She has extensive experience with a range of issues facing adolescents and their families not limited to; substance abuse, learning disabilities, ADHD, mood disorders, grief and loss, eating disorders, behavioral issues, as well as trauma. In her spare time, Candice enjoys just about everything outdoors and considers it a successful day if she tired her dog out rather than the other way around! [Also an ASR/Aspen Staff member (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=91523#p91523)]
Bob Gillespie, MA is a licensed marriage and family therapist (LMFT) who offers expertise in a variety of collaborative and evidence-based therapeutic models. Trained as a family therapist, Bob applies a calm, empathic listening style and a gentle humor along with his in-depth knowledge of complex family dynamics. Bob is renowned among his colleagues for repeated success with "difficult cases" and his ability to engage resistant adolescents in the treatment process. Authorized as a meditation instructor in a Tibetan Buddhist lineage, Bob has also integrated meditation practices into highly effective stress reduction and anger management programs for the University of Massachusetts Memorial Hospital System. Once upon a time, Bob was a wild teenager who abused alcohol and drugs, and put his divorced parents through hell. Using the perspective of his checkered past as a unique tool in the treatment process, Bob has a special affinity for troubled adolescents and an unshakeable confidence in their abilities to become fully functioning, delightful adults.[Apparantly used to work for Griswold Behavioral Health Center (http://http://www.antiochne.edu/ap/mft/)]
Gabriel Kuttner has worked as an interventionist with families and adolescents in a variety of settings including therapeutic boarding schools, residential treatment centers and public schools. Gabriel began his career in London working in theater as an actor, director and producer after graduating from the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art. He now lives in Boston where he spends half his time counseling families and young adults – allowing his theater background to inform his experiential counseling style – and the other half working with many of Boston’s best theater companies where he has been honored with awards and recognition from critics and colleagues for his work on the stage.
Mark Biagini MA, has been working with adolescents and young adults for over 15 years as a social worker, individual and family therapist. In addition to designing and facilitating family interventions, Mark has developed and implemented therapeutic programs for several agencies servicing youth and families. He has worked as a lead clinician in therapeutic boarding schools and as Clinical Director within the Massachusetts public school system. Mark has also worked closely with the Cree and Blackfeet cultures in Montana for the past twelve years. Mark lives in Western Mass with his wife and two children.
Caretia Fernandez is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker. Her history of working with teenagers and their families began at the Academy at Swift River in Cummington, MA and she has not stopped focusing on the needs of adolescents since. Her area of intensive focus at the Smith School for Social Work surrounded self-harming behaviors and addictive tendencies. She is currently the Admissions and Business Development Director for Cottage Hill Academy, a Girl's Residential Treatment Center in Baldwinville, MA. She is also an artist, musician and active outdoor enthusiast.
James Murray: Aspen
Candice Porter: Aspen
Bob Gillespie: Griswold Behavioral Health Center
Gabriel Kuttner: Former Actor. Sister works for Aspen (http://http). First Generation program counselor or did he work somewhere before is unknown?
Mark Biagini: Unknown TBS/RTC Anybody know where the Cree / Blackfeet tribes are? Edit: my mom says they're in Montana. What Aspen Group programs are in Montana? Edit: I'm an idiot. It says it right there.
Caretia Fernandez: Aspen
Hey Damage control anon... Why aren't many of these things listed on their resumés?
-
no point going on..my point is proven. look at the word "they" you are setting up a dynamic where anyone who worked for a program is "they" and is therefore bad. until it becomes "we" forums like this are useless.
-
and psysince you are so good at figuring things out.......i mean how you got to Montana was great (and true) but the last line says he lives with his family in western Ma.
-
no point going on..my point is proven. look at the word "they" you are setting up a dynamic where anyone who worked for a program is "they" and is therefore bad. until it becomes "we" forums like this are useless.
You're right. It must be the Suppressive Person in me. I shouldn't use certain pronouns. They're bad! Edit:... whoops... I did it again. I should have said "certain pronouns are bad".
:ftard:
You still didn't answer my question: why were those things not listed on their resumés?
-
and psysince you are so good at figuring things out.......i mean how you got to Montana was great (and true) but the last line says he lives with his family in western Ma.
True. But I'm not interested in where he is or where he works currently. That's known. What's unknown is where he worked before.
-
I thought the name Kuttner sounded familiar in that this is the same name of the esteemed cofounder of the American Prospect so I did a little googling and found this link:
http://www.squanderingofamerica.com/about.cfm (http://www.squanderingofamerica.com/about.cfm)
FYI - there is a Jessica Kuttner who works at ASR. I assume she's related to Gabriel Kuttner but that is only an educated assumption based on the above referenced article.
http://www.parentcheckin.com/staff_pict ... sp?progid= (http://www.parentcheckin.com/staff_pictures_external.asp?progid=){9239C59D-474B-445B-9A54-C4C4AD4F2D70}
Not sure what to make of this organization Breakthrough Interventions but the past/current connection to ASR is definitly interesting.
-
I thought the name Kuttner sounded familiar in that this is the same name of the esteemed cofounder of the American Prospect so I did a little googling and found this link:
http://www.squanderingofamerica.com/about.cfm (http://www.squanderingofamerica.com/about.cfm)
FYI - there is a Jessica Kuttner who works at ASR. I assume she's related to Gabriel Kuttner but that is only an educated assumption based on the above referenced article.
http://www.parentcheckin.com/staff_pict ... sp?progid= (http://www.parentcheckin.com/staff_pictures_external.asp?progid=){9239C59D-474B-445B-9A54-C4C4AD4F2D70}
Not sure what to make of this organization Breakthrough Interventions but the past/current connection to ASR is definitly interesting.
Thank you guest
From the article Bob's son, Gabriel Kuttner, is an actor living near Boston. Gabe spent a decade in London, first as the only American selected in his graduating class to train at the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Arts, then as an actor in several stage productions. Bob's daughter, Jess Kuttner, a clinical social worker, follows in her mother's footsteps, working as a psychotherapist at a residential school for troubled teens in western Massachusetts. His stepdaughter, Shelly Fitzgerald, is a geographer who works on mapping and surveying, and lives with her family outside New York City.
That matches his Bio above (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=310239#p310239).
So I think it's pretty safe to assume his sister got him this current job (further suggesting Aspen connections).
-
again psy where is ASR located...western ma. i do nt think they are trying to hide anything. the information is right there. my thoughts are for the people here to stop making assumptions "they" might be connected or have worked for "aspen" so what? they are who they are and obviously they care about teens because it looks like they have spent some serious time in the industry. let them try to help some teens....not every staff reasons are pure...not every parents reasons are pure but 95% of both groups wants to help teens with all of there hearts. i guess i believe most people are genuinely good not evil.
-
again psy where is ASR located...western ma. i do nt think they are trying to hide anything. the information is right there. my thoughts are for the people here to stop making assumptions "they" might be connected or have worked for "aspen" so what? they are who they are and obviously they care about teens because it looks like they have spent some serious time in the industry. let them try to help some teens....not every staff reasons are pure...not every parents reasons are pure but 95% of both groups wants to help teens with all of there hearts. i guess i believe most people are genuinely good not evil.
Hey guest.. You don't, by chance, work for Aspen, do you?
-
nope not at all but i expected you to go there eventually. i know where asr...i read the site.
-
(http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1057611_uhsxw/Wadewitz2.JPG)
-
again psy where is ASR located...western ma. i do nt think they are trying to hide anything.
Good for you. We do though.
my thoughts are for the people here to stop making assumptions "they" might be connected or have worked for "aspen" so what?
Because 'we' think that programs that restrict communication between family, use LGAT type seminars, isolate kids from society and use 'exit plans' are dangerous. Aspen does those things so a connection would be pertinent.
they are who they are and obviously they care about teens because it looks like they have spent some serious time in the industry.
Obviously they care? Why would you assume that? Just because they've been involved with 'the industry' for years? Hell, that makes me even moreskeptical of them.
let them try to help some teens.
.
Sure. Just as soon as they can provide proof that what they're doing helps. Just as soon as they permit unrestricted communication between child and family. Just as soon as they abandon LGATs and the like. Just as soon as they stop isolating kids. Just as soon as they stop forcing them by use of 'exit plans'.
..not every staff reasons are pure...not every parents reasons are pure but 95% of both groups wants to help teens with all of there hearts. i guess i believe most people are genuinely good not evil.
After you've been exposed to the mindrape mills you tend to start seeing reality.
-
What is the name of the Aspen torturer who used to work at Cedu? Tim something.....?
-
A reverse phone number search (http://https://www.peoplelookup.com/results.php?ReportType=33&searchform=phone) for "413.268.7022" (Breakthrough Interventions) shows that this number has been used in the following locations:
Address History:
5 Addresses in Williamsburg, MA
2 Addresses in Goshen, MA
1 Address in Salt Lake City, UT[/list]
According to MapQuest, both Williamsburg, MA and Goshen, MA are both quite close to Academy At Swift River in Cummington, MA (all in the the northeast corner of Massachusetts). This, coupled with the fact that there are no other known programs in this area (yes? no?) except John Dewey Academy (southeast corner of Mass.) plus the very strong Aspen heritage of so many of these individuals, makes the ASR connection pretty likely, in my book.
Btw, for what it's worth, I've been told that this area has at least one or two Buddhist monasteries (re. Bob Gillespie). Go figure.
-
Breakthrough Interventions saved my son's life!
He was so sex addicted that he once forcibly made his eighty five year old Aunt give him a blow job!
But he is cured now because of Breakthrough Interventions!
Thank You Breakthrough Interventions!
-
Williamsburg, Goshen, and Cummington, MA are all on Route 9, within 10-15 miles of one another.