Fornits
General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 25, 2008, 03:14:09 PM
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What did you think would happen by putting Michael in charge of your forum? That it would get better? Fornits is irrelevant to anyone with half a brain these days. No new posters for how long --that aren't fake? How many regulars stopped posting? Right. The rhetoric is sound, the implementation hypocritical to such a degree it could no longer be ignored by even the most forgiving of allies. You can't just blame Michael though, he was just the another nail in the coffin. Blame the one with the hammer. So what do you have left? The same small group of posters, the same old arguments, the same suspicions and paranoia-- which only seem to compound with time. New here? Run. Get far away, and don't get sucked into the vortex of self hatred that is fornits. Now be your usual selves, such is expected around here.
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Your pain makes me hungry! I'm hungry for pain! Your death is mine motherfucker! Don't even try to escape! Because you're mine! You are all mine! You're all in my thoughts! I will peel you like a potato! I will take out your brains and throw them to my dogs! Oh shit, you're gonna die! I'm gonna peel off your toenails like they were... cupcakes! Like they were... twinkies! You're dead, motherfucker! My life is nothing but to kill you! Revenge is mine! My words make you wanna scream like a dead dog dying from anger-- and pain-- of a dead dog! Uhhhhhh... We're gonna kick some ass tonite, motherfucker! Life! Life is mine! I take you with me! I take you, I crumble you up, I wad you into a little ball! Death picks it's teeth with your head! Life! Life is mine! Yup! Revenge is mine! My war jacks off when it sees your revenge! My war is not alone! It's the only war! Anytime you get your ass down here, kick my ass, no problem! My life is better! Don't fuck with me whatsoever! Yup! Revenge is mine! I take it and I leave it! But this one, motherfucker, is mine! And you're not gettin' it! You're the one that's gonna pay this time, buddy! No prob!
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I Win!!!
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:guesswho:
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Once you get done slinging fornits into the grave swing by my hotel and toss me into the hole also. While I don't qualify as completely dead I still find myself in the running for the "Death Warmed Over" award of 2008.
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I like Michael and everything he's written and filmed in recent years. But as someone who is now just an occasional passer-by, I have to ask "what happened to Fornits?" I haven't been around much lately, but it sure looks and sounds a lot more lame than in the old days.
Was it Sue-Sue and her threats, or the constant moving of hosting services, or did Ginger just get tired of all this or what?
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I agree distressed parent. I don't think it is fair to blame psy, but the constant moves and the fact that there are no new faces or diversity of discussion at all and barely any new information being put out there is disappointing. This is not the lively forum it once was. In the event that any new discussion or info goes up it just gets derailed because it turns into a fight between the who and a lot of regulars. No one has anything new to say.
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Get rid of the psychotic, ego maniac, self-loathing poster with the multiple aliases and Fornits won't be such a toxic wasteland. (And no, I don't mean Michael (Psy). He's one of the good guys. ;D
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I agree..
the interface sucks. so does the new layout.
And for that matter fuck the shoutbox.
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Yeah, the shoutbox seems to function more as a human dumping ground than a communication tool. Losing the shoutbox wouldn't bother me in the least. Take it to Yahoo or AIM.
As for the format - I don't think it's that bad but would prefer Fornits to revert back to it's original lineup of forums if not the orginal format.
The petty infighting between certain moderators with self-serving agendas is the biggest problem Fornits has. It's gotten really malicious and ugly. These people know who they are and really ought to consider finding something else to do with their time other than play their stupid games and make a mockery out of the issues faced by survivors of residential treatment and therapeutic cult abuse.
Sifting through all the b.s. threads and inane posts to find anything of substance is a real pain in the ass but I think most of the regs realize that is the work of one or two sickos who would rather create chaos on this board and in other people's lives than face their own demons.
Overall, I think Mike and the others who have worked to keep Fornits online have done a very good job in the face of considerable adversity. It would be nice if someone could update the fornits.com page (blog) to bring it current.
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Yeah, the shoutbox seems to function more as a human dumping ground than a communication tool. Losing the shoutbox wouldn't bother me in the least. Take it to Yahoo or AIM.
As for the format - I don't think it's that bad but would prefer Fornits to revert back to it's original lineup of forums if not the orginal format.
The petty infighting between certain mods/posters/trolls with self-serving agendas is the biggest problem Fornits has. It's gotten really malicious and ugly. These people know who they are and really ought to consider finding something else to do with their time other than play their stupid games and make a mockery out of the issues faced by survivors of residential treatment and therapeutic cult abuse.
Sifting through all the b.s. threads and inane posts to find anything of substance is a real pain in the ass but I think most of the regs realize that is the work of one or two sickos who would rather create chaos on this board and in other people's lives than face their own demons.
Overall, I think Mike and the others who have worked to keep Fornits online have done a very good job in the face of considerable adversity. It would be nice if someone could update the fornits.com page (blog) to bring it current.
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I agree that the level of activity on fornits has gone way down. I think part of it has to do with the move to SMF. I'm not sure it was a really good idea. Another part of it has to do with TheWho. Another part of it is that I think a lot of people are depressed and have lost hope, to a certain extent (GAO flopped, HLA survived, Deborah got frustrated and left...). I must admit, it has affected me as well.
For those who complain about the way I ran things... well.. I resigned as forum admin (still tech admin because I want the site running) for reasons I stated publicly on the forum a while back. As to where ginger is? beats me. It would help if she would post once in a while but she's busy.
This all being said, I have a few ideas up my sleeve i'll be posting later on. I've been paying a lot of attention to the way Anonymous is handling the Cult of Scientology recently, and that does give me hope. They're killing Scientology currently. I'm hoping the situation can be repeated on the Troubled Teen Industry. To that end, In the movie i'm making, i'll be making a lot of comparisons between Scientology and Benchmark. It sounds silly, but trust me on this. I think we need a new approach to fighting the industry. To that end, I have something in mind.
As for the front page... We need writers. If you'd like to volunteer, let me know and i'll pass it past Ginger and grant you access.
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I could give two shits about scientology. If a pack of adults want to join a faith system/ cult/ religion which worships aliens and tom crazy cruise, then I can only wish them good luck. I dont see a need to protest this.
The need to protest and limit this industry is far more vital. Any system that incarcerates children or any other citizens without trial is inherently morally wrong and out of place in a democratic country. One is a crazy belief system that people can elect to buy into or not, the other is a violation of fundamental human rights. Sorry Psy, but your scientology focus is on a non issue.
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I could give two shits about scientology. If a pack of adults want to join a faith system/ cult/ religion which worships aliens and tom crazy cruise, then I can only wish them good luck. I dont see a need to protest this.
The need to protest and limit this industry is far more vital. Any system that incarcerates children or any other citizens without trial is inherently morally wrong and out of place in a democratic country. One is a crazy belief system that people can elect to buy into or not, the other is a violation of fundamental human rights. Sorry Psy, but your scientology focus is on a non issue.
www.whyaretheydead.net (http://www.whyaretheydead.net) (and yes, the CoS has programs (and connections to the industry)).... also.. Do you know where est came from?)
Also... I'm not trying to say we should protest this, or something is worse than something else. I'm just saying that the strategies Anonymous is using against the CoS are applicable to the industry (web2.0 campaigns, information dissemination tactics, subversion, protests, satire, provocation, etc...).
Anonymous didn't decided to /protest/ the CoS... they flat out declared war on the organization (not the belief system, the organization(which, everybody here knows, will collapse without the organization, as a kid blow up when he leaves the bubble of the program)). Within days, they were able to organize worldwide protests with the turnouts in the thousands. Call something a focus or not, but Anonymous is onto something that I think can be adapted to fighting the TTI. There are a lot of victims of this industry that have either lost hope or for whatever reason are remaining silent. If we are going to end this industry, we need to show the world that we will not be silenced. I've been watching and learning, yes...
Consider when i went down to Benchmark they pointed cameras at us to scare us. CoS does the sam thing.
Consider when i went down to Benchmark they spread lies about me. CoS does the same thing.
Consider when i went down to Benchmark they forbade others from talking to me. CoS does the same thing.
Consider when i went down to Benchmark they called the cops on us again and again. CoS does the same thing.
Consider when i went down to Benchmark they tried to harrass us at our motel. CoS does the same thing.
Consider the CoS has people to troll forums that are critical using the exact same tactics TheWho uses.
Consider the suicides the CoS covers up with police connections.
Consider the suicides/attempts Benchmark covers up with police connections.
Consider the litigious nature of the CoS as compared to the industry...
I could go on and on and on and on...
The LGAT roots of this industry, if you look far back enough, are in Scientology. L Ron Hubbard himself said that est was a copy of Scientology with the terminology changed. Second gen thought reform (attacking the concept of self) came from him. Concept of putting yourself "at cause"? Hubbard's exact words. The similarities are mind-boggling, which is not surprising since they're both similar cults and although cults are different, they all rely on the same principles (albeit accomplished through different means). Point being, if one cult is effectively fought using tactics XYZ, they're probably adaptable to another series of cults.
bla bla bla... make fun of me all you want .. but offering suggestions is often better than blasting your mouth off. I think the tactics are applicable to the TTI, and who knows, given an increase in public knowledge and interest, Anonymous could very well end up declaring war on Programs. Just wait and see. The CoS is already starting to buckle under the pressure. Cults rely on controlling communication and keeping their members in the dark. Anonymous does nothing better than spreading information.
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I think the trolling is a big part of it also. If people could learn to accept other people’s opinions and not try to block them by trolling or attacking them for it the discussions would be a lot easier to follow. I know this because I am usually in the middle of most of them. I could probably help by not responding to the attacks as much as I do.
Secondly, I thought there was value in having the threads line up with the most recently posted ones at the top. This allowed for a fresh view each time a person entered the forum and one could instantly see what was the hot topic for the day at a glance. Now we have forums like “News Items” near the top, which had a handful a views per year and virtually no posting and is now getting some attention because of its location (although small). Whereas there is activity (posts) occurring in threads further down the page, but no one sees them so no discussion is generated
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Thirdly, I don’t see how trying to integrate scientology into the whole mess is going to help anything. I had a run in with them when I was in college, they were dishonest to me and I feel they are very deceptive and dangerous, but I think it would distract from the Troubled Teen Industry to introduce that here (in any form), but that’s not my call, good luck with it.
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To those who don't think Scientology is like the TTI:
http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtop ... 947#p78835 (http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4947#p78835)
Update on info from a staff member inside Flag..
I had previous said income was down 50%, this source, still on staff.. wondering about their options, already knows it is a scam...states public in for service is down 60% from 1993
While watching the "Road to Feb 10th, an OT said, "I spent all this money to get to OT and it ain't shit. Pointing at Anonymous, pointing at the screen, those people, look what they did, THAT's OT, on a planetary scale!"
They had NO idea pickets were all over the world, their mouths were hanging open!
Flag is 1/2 the size it was business wise as ten years ago...Public scientologists are all getting 3-4 phone calls PER DAY to come in for services and pay more money!Staff are knocking on peoples doors every day,trying to get public to come back in. No "public" are giving them any money right now...
A lot of the kids were dumped there by their "Sea Org" parents who have been sent elsewhere, and basically abandoned them and went off to work for 'RON"..
Most of the older people are gone The abuse the kids that are on staff are enduring is incredible.They get counted getting onto the bus to goto the mess hall, they get counted when they get off the bus. They counted when they go to bed. The kids don't have any where to go, they are trapped...They are third world youngsters.. who have NO WHERE TO GO. South American, Russian Kids, Albanian,Hungarians, Cech republic, Serbia. Yugoslavia, They bring them in on "religious workers visas" and then they TAKE their passports, so they can not leave! The kids can't leave, many are very frightened, you can see the desperation in their eyes, they are scared to death...
Monitored constantly.It is a horror show inside for staff...
The older current members were worried about the young kids on staff without their passports.
They know they can walk away, but they know the kids can't, thats why there appear to be so many young ones at flag, they cant leave because they have no money, no car, no where to go, they are in a strange country and their passports are sealed in a locked safe.
They are slaves being held against their will. Every moment of every day they are monitored so they cant run away.
Benchmark Takes kids passports ID so they can't leave too. SAME SHIT... SAME EXACT SHIT!
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again.. you may want to take this to www.xenu.net (http://www.xenu.net) as well.
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I think the trolling is a big part of it also. If people could learn to accept other people’s opinions and not try to block them by trolling or attacking them for it the discussions would be a lot easier to follow. I know this because I am usually in the middle of most of them. I could probably help by not responding to the attacks as much as I do.
Fornits isn't about being polite. On these fori the person who shouts the loudest gets heard the most.
Secondly, I thought there was value in having the threads line up with the most recently posted ones at the top. This allowed for a fresh view each time a person entered the forum and one could instantly see what was the hot topic for the day at a glance. Now we have forums like “News Items” near the top, which had a handful a views per year and virtually no posting and is now getting some attention because of its location (although small). Whereas there is activity (posts) occurring in threads further down the page, but no one sees them so no discussion is generated
yeah I miss the boards bumping themselves automatically as well. hard to be arsed to keep track of the more obscure forum. I'm still waiting on someone to move the facilities Q/A and YLF forum down a few notches. I'm not at all comfortable with them being located at the top of the page.
Thirdly, I don’t see how trying to integrate scientology into the whole mess is going to help anything. I had a run in with them when I was in college, they were dishonest to me and I feel they are very deceptive and dangerous, but I think it would distract from the Troubled Teen Industry to introduce that here (in any form), but that’s not my call, good luck with it.
Last I checked it wasn't illegal to be a sciencetologist or being in any sort of cult. However, given the somewhat successful trend of trying to convince people their children are at risk due to cultist nutbags I don't see anything wrong with tying the two. However, I notice that many a times the comparisons seem all very superficial. For example, group A does this and so does group B so therefore they both must be the same. A clearer example would be the US Marine Corps requires all recruits to take an oath prior to admissions and some cults require new members to take an oath therefore the Marines must be a cult.
I think we ought to be very careful slinging around the word cult and tying the TTI into other movements myself. However, if the connections are genuine, and a great many of them have turned out to be, then by all means make the connections based on demonstrated facts. Not wild speculation and personal interpretations based on second hand observations.
As for Sciencetology? well.. I have my doubts about it, but I do know the long term protestors of sciencetology from groups like www.xenu.net (http://www.xenu.net) are a fairly highly motivated bunch. Maybe that spirit and willingness to protest could seep into the ranks of the TTI counter-culture. I have no faith in the flash in a pan groups like Anonymous who are nothing more than a bored internet subculture that will always be looking for something new to torment. Tying this into a group like that is futile. They have a demonstrated record of showing only a fleeting interest and a thirst for sensationalism.
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Tying this into a group like that is futile. They have a demonstrated record of showing only a fleeting interest and a thirst for sensationalism.
Are you paying attention. Within days, Anonymous was able to organize worldwide raids at CoS locations around the world. the turnout was in the thousands, and the organization is buckling under the stress. I'm not trying to tie them into anything. I'm suggesting we learn from some of their tactics. Also... know that i've been following the whole Sci/Anon war closely and... Anonymous has kind of given birth, to a certain extent. Those who were in it just for the lulz are the "Lulz Contingent" while another section of that same "consciousness" has splintered off that geniunely cares about the cause... Somewhere along the line, Anonymous grew a conscience.
Read the reactions: http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtop ... 47&start=0 (http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4947&start=0) they are PISSED.
Look at that board. That board is very young... yet it has grown fast. I've watched the naive about cults learn at an incredible rate. Also.. Scientology is most definitely a cult, and not a voluntary one. I signed myself into a boarding school.. those kids signed up for something else as well, and so did their parents. "Voluntary" requires informed consent. They split families apart through a policy of disconnection...etc... Same shit, different toilet.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4dcig ... s_politics (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4dcig_road-to-february-10-2008-final-vers_politics)
Are people grateful?
YES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO_kcUCQSl8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO_kcUCQSl8)
Just shut up if you have nothing constructive to say. Help them or don't help them. I've created a Sea ORG board and asked for the "keys" back from Ginger. So...
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I think I'll let Psy's response speak for itself. How he says it very much does a better job than any response I can come up with.
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Michael is delusional. This shit is his life.
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Michael is delusional. This shit is his life.
It was the main focus of mine too, for a while. Couldn't help it. After experiencing the hell that is the TTI, its kinda hard NOT to get a li'l obsessed about it.
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Michael is delusional. This shit is his life.
Maybe so, or maybe what Anne said... but either way, what do you care?
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The GAO is not finished.
You want to see a carcass, go check out CAFETY. Stick a fork in it, flip it over and throw some lime on it. Their newest admin is Blombro's GF, who is on the level of Not Free and threatened one female poster for communicating with her "man".
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Michael is delusional. This shit is his life.
Maybe so, or maybe what Anne said... but either way, what do you care?
So goes another fornits lifer.
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So goes another fornits lifer.
And your point would be?
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Fornits is moving closer to the policies of CAFETY with every day Michael is allowed to hold the reigns of power over this forum. If posters do not start demanding their complete freedom of speech that made this website what it was, it will eventually be gone. If you do not fit in with Michael's agenda to "fuck up programs" (from his own misguided perspective) -- if you disrupt what he deems serious conversations -- you will be silenced, threatened with police action and bullied of the forum. Don't say you weren't warned.
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Ok
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Fornits is moving closer to the policies of CAFETY with every day Michael is allowed to hold the reigns of power over this forum. If posters do not start demanding their complete freedom of speech that made this website what it was, it will eventually be gone. If you do not fit in with Michael's agenda to "fuck up programs" (from his own misguided perspective) -- if you disrupt what he deems serious conversations -- you will be silenced, threatened with police action and bullied of the forum. Don't say you weren't warned.
Care to be more specific in these statements? Just how has he and how will he be doing this? Mike can tell me to shut up all he wants, but he does so full well knowing it is pointless as no man has ever had any luck at that to this date.
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Fornits is moving closer to the policies of CAFETY with every day Michael is allowed to hold the reigns of power over this forum. If posters do not start demanding their complete freedom of speech that made this website what it was, it will eventually be gone. If you do not fit in with Michael's agenda to "fuck up programs" (from his own misguided perspective) -- if you disrupt what he deems serious conversations -- you will be silenced, threatened with police action and bullied of the forum. Don't say you weren't warned.
SOMEBODY GOT A PERSONAL AGENDA!
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Fornits is moving closer to the policies of CAFETY with every day Michael is allowed to hold the reigns of power over this forum. If posters do not start demanding their complete freedom of speech that made this website what it was, it will eventually be gone. If you do not fit in with Michael's agenda to "fuck up programs" (from his own misguided perspective) -- if you disrupt what he deems serious conversations -- you will be silenced, threatened with police action and bullied of the forum. Don't say you weren't warned.
Have patience, sometimes it takes time to iron out the kinks; I remember what you are talking about. Mike was just trying to do the right thing, I guess. The fact that you're still here discussing it says something (he has yet banned you?).
And so I'm a 'lifer' so what? What does that make you? You've probably been 'around the block' a few times yourself. :D
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You haven't been around the block till you've sailed with Barret's Privateers. Look at me! I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier!
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Fornits is moving closer to the policies of CAFETY with every day Michael is allowed to hold the reigns of power over this forum. If posters do not start demanding their complete freedom of speech that made this website what it was, it will eventually be gone. If you do not fit in with Michael's agenda to "fuck up programs" (from his own misguided perspective) -- if you disrupt what he deems serious conversations -- you will be silenced, threatened with police action and bullied of the forum. Don't say you weren't warned.
SOMEBODY GOT A PERSONAL AGENDA!
Yes I have an agenda. When you are silenced and banned for no reason at all, simply because Michael does not like what you say, and wants to intimidate you for his own entertainment by threatening police action -- then you might take it personally as well? Michael is bad for this forum, bad for free speech, and drunk on his own power (or maybe has nothing better to do).
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Fornits is moving closer to the policies of CAFETY with every day Michael is allowed to hold the reigns of power over this forum. If posters do not start demanding their complete freedom of speech that made this website what it was, it will eventually be gone. If you do not fit in with Michael's agenda to "fuck up programs" (from his own misguided perspective) -- if you disrupt what he deems serious conversations -- you will be silenced, threatened with police action and bullied of the forum. Don't say you weren't warned.
Have patience, sometimes it takes time to iron out the kinks; I remember what you are talking about. Mike was just trying to do the right thing, I guess. The fact that you're still here discussing it says something (he has yet banned you?).
And so I'm a 'lifer' so what? What does that make you? You've probably been 'around the block' a few times yourself. :D
don't feed the trolls... Ginger keeps an eye on me anyway, and I ask her before I do practically anything unless it's urgent and I can't get ahold of her.
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The fact that you're still here discussing it says something (he has yet banned you?).
He can't. He tried.
Fornits cannot ban anyone because it's too easy to get around IP bans. This technical difficulty is the only thing keeping free speech alive, not Michael's good word.
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The fact that you're still here discussing it says something (he has yet banned you?).
He can't. He tried.
Fornits cannot ban anyone because it's too easy to get around IP bans. This technical difficulty is the only thing keeping free speech alive, not Michael's good word.
You made death threats on a moderated shoutbox. There was an issue of legal liability and i had to make a snap decision. Deal with it. shit... even /b/ would ban you for that shit.
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Fornits is moving closer to the policies of CAFETY with every day Michael is allowed to hold the reigns of power over this forum. If posters do not start demanding their complete freedom of speech that made this website what it was, it will eventually be gone. If you do not fit in with Michael's agenda to "fuck up programs" (from his own misguided perspective) -- if you disrupt what he deems serious conversations -- you will be silenced, threatened with police action and bullied of the forum. Don't say you weren't warned.
SOMEBODY GOT A PERSONAL AGENDA!
Yes I have an agenda. When you are silenced and banned for no reason at all, simply because Michael does not like what you say, and wants to intimidate you for his own entertainment by threatening police action -- then you might take it personally as well? Michael is bad for this forum, bad for free speech, and drunk on his own power (or maybe has nothing better to do).
Cite specific examples. If they are legit I'll get ahold of ginger myself and argue your case.
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When I was in college I lived for a time near the Boston Commons where I use to go to read and study sometimes on the nicer days. On this one day I was approached by 3 people who started asking me questions about what I did, school I went to, courses I was taking, if I was dating etc. and they asked me if I would be interested in taking a personality test. I initially said I was not interested until they showed me a sample of the results. It was a nicely organized piece of colored graph paper with categories like, happiness, Stablity, aggressive etc…. I asked if I could keep a copy when I was done because I really liked the way the results looked and the kid said sure, they were really friendly… anyway I followed them for a couple of blocks (away from the Christian science park) to an office building and they had about 30 cubicles with people taking these tests. I sat down and started answering questions and damn I must have been there for hours, but I stuck it out because I wanted a copy of the results and was a curious lad.. ..when I finished I sat in a room for another hour while they worked up the graph.. a guy came in and sat down and reviewed the graph with me and pointed out that I was strong in stability but scored very low in “certainty” ( I think was the category) and I realized they were doing this for some reason and expected them to try to sell me a book (which they did) and I declined because I was a poor college student… he came back to say I could have the book for free if I attended a weekend study group (don’t remember what they called it) with other people that scored low on “Certainty” and I declined and just asked for a copy of the graphed results (as I was promised and I was holding the original, which I folded and placed inside a text book I was carrying) and I was quickly told that I could not leave with the graph… I explained that I was told it would be okay and that was the reason I took the test and I started for the Door and 3 people came and blocked the exit….. I was told (in harmony) that “no one would have told me that because it is not allowed”…. The looks on all their faces was scary in a strange way, no one speaks that way (under the age of 25, anyway, back then), hard to explain, they called me “Sir” and I was younger than some of them and this was the 1970’s very odd group… so fine, after it became obvious I wasn’t leaving on my terms, I gave them their graph back and left, but learned a lesson. Over the years there I had come in contact with people who had similar strange experiences with scientologists. I have to admit that they have some of the nicest buildings and property in Boston. The one thing I did learned about them is that they are all liars and very strangely connected to one another, like used car salesmen on steroids is how I would describe them.
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The fact that you're still here discussing it says something (he has yet banned you?).
He can't. He tried.
Fornits cannot ban anyone because it's too easy to get around IP bans. This technical difficulty is the only thing keeping free speech alive, not Michael's good word.
You made death threats on a moderated shoutbox. There was an issue of legal liability and i had to make a snap decision. Deal with it. shit... even /b/ would ban you for that shit.
Fornits isn't /b/, and thank god for that. We've had a variety of threats made of all sorts all over this forum in the past. Ginger has never banned anyone for it. Why start now?
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Fornits is moving closer to the policies of CAFETY with every day Michael is allowed to hold the reigns of power over this forum. If posters do not start demanding their complete freedom of speech that made this website what it was, it will eventually be gone. If you do not fit in with Michael's agenda to "fuck up programs" (from his own misguided perspective) -- if you disrupt what he deems serious conversations -- you will be silenced, threatened with police action and bullied of the forum. Don't say you weren't warned.
SOMEBODY GOT A PERSONAL AGENDA!
Yes I have an agenda. When you are silenced and banned for no reason at all, simply because Michael does not like what you say, and wants to intimidate you for his own entertainment by threatening police action -- then you might take it personally as well? Michael is bad for this forum, bad for free speech, and drunk on his own power (or maybe has nothing better to do).
Cite specific examples. If they are legit I'll get ahold of ginger myself and argue your case.
Here is an example of when Psy attempts to out a poster known as Milk. Nowhere in these Guest's posts did they indicate they were the person known as Milk. Psy just assumed they were, and went ahead and made threats against the person you assumed it was. Psy would of known for sure but they were using a proxy. The only way to defend against Psy's threatening behavior at this point is to proxy up, apparently.
From Forum Open Free for All: Topic: psy threatens to call the cops on chatroom user
Someone says "kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage" and psy threatens to call the cops? Something is wrong with that, has the policy on this board changed?
Go back to no admins if this kid wants to call the cops on stupid little things like this. I think they were right, you are a faggot for doing this Psy. I am really disappointed with your pro-LEO/Scheff-like activity.
Milk. Please stop impersonating survivors whilst simultaneously spouting quotes from Anonymous. You don't understand the psychology of what is going on here and come off sounding like a complete idiot. Hate solves little but creating more hate. Gunning down a program will only convince the world of what the programs are already trying to portray us as: a bunch of psychos. It sounds great, and awfully romantic, nice to fantasize about (hey... i know parents who do), but ultimately counterproductive. Why don't I say it's unethical? Because you don't understand that concept. To you, it's just a game and as you've said so aptly, hatred is "yummy".
Yes, anger has it's purpose, but it can't fuel you forever, you'll burn out. It can consume you, control you. Trust me on this. You seem to thrive on it since it's all a game to you... Well. I'm not amused. Impersonating survivors (badly) and suggesting acts of mass murder can solve a social problem like the TTI ... I don't find it very funny at all. You might say "yay.. i caused that" when somebody follows your idiotic advice... People are just funny little tools to you. I seriously doubt you'd have the balls to grab a rifle and do the job yourself.
Go away, please, or I'll post that chat where you suggested that I was worthless, had no life, and should go massacre a program ("kill them all" are the exact words you used, so don't try and claim you didn't mean to "take them out" (to dinner) like you did earlier today. As I've said, you made far too many mistakes. I don't normally log chats, but I do when I feel somebody is potentially mentally unstable enough to go off the deep end (like you did today). I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested). Tor nodes can't save you from chat transcripts. I don't want to do it, but if you don't stay the fuck off this site and stop impersonating survivors, I won't hesitate. I only have so much pity.
Toodles!
As to the Shoutbox Incident:
Psy claims:
"One poster... and I had no legal choice. I also didn't call the cops, nor did I have any intention of doing so."
My response:
Two posters. Psy threatened the shoutbox user who said kids "need to run away and not let staff get in their way", (have you not heard much worse by other posters?) and then this Milk person. Two different users you threatened with direct law enforcement action.
Guest said this in the shoutbox:
[Today at 04:36:00 PM] guest-6d53: kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage
[Today at 04:36:21 PM] guest-6d53: they should do what they need to do
This is what Psy said to them:
[Today at 04:40:44 PM] psy: Look. If you're publicly promiting comitting violent acts, i'll have to check what my legal responsibilities are. I might have to report this to the appropriate authorities.
[Today at 04:43:14 PM] psy: oh... I'm just saying that I might have to take that IP address, poster 6d53, and give it to the authorities... I doubt they'd interpret "rise up and take them out" as anything other than what you stated it to be.
Psy then banned the person and someone else questioned why he did that, Psy claimed he did it because:
[Today at 03:50:01 PM] psy: er... I'll explain why I did it..
[Today at 03:50:19 PM] psy: mostly it was to make the person piss in his or her pants about what they were stupid enough to type without a proxy
[Today at 03:50:25 PM] psy: lol
[Today at 03:52:33 PM] psy: yeah... and they can't read this since I banned em from reading and posting... so he/she is probably biting nails, wondering if the cops are comign.. lol
[Today at 03:53:13 PM] psy: Oh.. i could have actually called the cops... lol
This is what Psy said to poster #2 (who Psy thought was Milk) in a completely different conversation and context:
As I've said, you made far too many mistakes. I don't normally log chats, but I do when I feel somebody is potentially mentally unstable enough to go off the deep end (like you did today). I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested).
Why is Psy in a position to "decimate" this person Milk? Does he keep logs and tabs on posters to use later in case they start to disagree with his agenda? Hmmm. Interesting thought, isn't it?
Other changes Psy has implemented include stickying topics he thinks are more important than traditional forum bumps would show. Moving forums around to stack his forums on top, even though they are slower and nobody posts in them. Using fornits for his agenda, and his personal war against Sue Scheff and Isabelle Zehnder without any care of the legal blow-back he causes. Heavily censoring the shoutbox. Removing guests ability to post in shoutbox. Deleting his own guest posts. Deleting other guests posts that question why posts are being deleted. Outing guests. Attempting to out usernames.Etc,etc.
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Full transcript of chat session here http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?topic=25073.0 (http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?topic=25073.0)
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You want to get rid of the troubled teen industry? How can you do that, when you can't even rid your forum of it? Ban theWho, he's been proven to be a full-time troll for the industry. Get your own house in order.
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I'm afraid Fornits can never be restored to it's former and frankly more effective state of being.
It's not Mike's fault. He's just being used as a scapegoat by persons who apparently resent the active role he has taken in helping to keep Fornits up and running in the face of several attempts to take it down. He and others have volunteered countless hours of their personal time to achieve this goal and should be thanked not demonized.
Second, to accuse Mike of having a personal agenda is disingenuous and typical of the "divide and conquer" mentality of a couple of first-class losers who would have you all believe they actually care about kids when in fact, they care more about feeding their sick, demented, need for attention and the perceived "power" of controlling Fornits. This has been going on long before Fornits changed servers and formats. The Who is a low-risk annoyance/distraction compared to the worm that has infected Fornits under the guise of activism.
To increase board participation and a sense of "trust" among members is an easy task - get rid of the special interest moderators and their groups. They have their own websites and don't need to use Fornits as a tool to further their agenda. If you choose to allow activist groups to have their own forum on Fornits which is something Fornits has never done (wisely, I might add) then the least you can do is make them pay big bucks for advertising and recruiting members to serve their agenda.
The old Fornits worked well because it wasn't for sale to anyone so I don't know if the above solution is really the ideal solution but something needs to be done, IMO. It's a stain on Fornits credibility.
Lastly, the forum on Scheff/PURE and CAICA has a place on Fornits. Those who don't agree are naive. Read Maia's opinion pience on Free Speech and Tough Love. It is an excellent overview of the issue.
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Second, to accuse Mike of having a personal agenda is disingenuous and typical of the "divide and conquer" mentality of a couple of first-class losers who would have you all believe they actually care about kids when in fact, they care more about feeding their sick, demented, need for attention and the perceived "power" of controlling Fornits. This has been going on long before Fornits changed servers and formats. The Who is a low-risk annoyance/distraction compared to the worm that has infected Fornits under the guise of activism.
Well said.
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the who posting is like having an advertising banner for Aspen. He claims people email him for info on programs. Ban him.
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Yes I have an agenda. When you are silenced and banned for no reason at all, simply because Michael does not like what you say, and wants to intimidate you for his own entertainment by threatening police action -- then you might take it personally as well? Michael is bad for this forum, bad for free speech, and drunk on his own power (or maybe has nothing better to do).
You've been banned? Really? For what and when did this happen?
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Ban theWho,
How?
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the who posting is like having an advertising banner for Aspen. He claims people email him for info on programs. Ban him.
I have sat here and watched people, under the guise of well intended posters, telling parents, who were here looking for advice, that there was no help available for their child and that all programs were abusive. No one interceded and offered to guide the parents or give them advice nor was it suggested, by anyone, that the poster should be banned.
I know you like to have your fun spouting that the whole industry is evil, but at the end of the day there are kids who may miss out on getting help because of your ignorance and child play.
So giving balanced advice to parents who email me and attempting to help some of these families is a huge step up from doing nothing or steering a family into harm’s way.
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the who posting is like having an advertising banner for Aspen. He claims people email him for info on programs. Ban him.
The best I could do is change his usergroup to "Aspen's Goebbels". This is an unmoderated forum, for better or worse. Take it up with Ginger, but believe me, i've tried. IMO, The Who's idea of free speech is jamming his fingers in his ears and screaming "LALALALALLALALAA" at the top of his lungs so others can't speak effectively or are forced to tell him to STFU. Thank god for the ignore button.
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Banning The Who is a stupid knee jerk reaction. Hell, what about the lunatics pretending to be freedom fighters who easily slip under the radar? There is enough feedback on The Who to enlighten people. It's the phony anti-industry trolls that bother me. The ones who pretend to be part of the solution, not the problem. Shine a light on these cockroaches and they run for cover usually by way of changing their name or taking a convenient "time out" to obfuscate their true mission which is to fuck with Fornits for shits and grins. Why do you people fear someone like the Who? The pesky troll is out in the open not hiding behind some phony alliance with survivors who individually and as a whole are the true force behind Fornits.
The Who is not the enemy. It's subversion of free speech in any way, shape or form.
Think about it. The chaos of late would not exist if not for irrational accusations and fear mongering.
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Banning The Who is a stupid knee jerk reaction. Hell, what about the lunatics pretending to be freedom fighters who easily slip under the radar? There is enough feedback on The Who to enlighten people. It's the phony anti-industry trolls that bother me. The ones who pretend to be part of the solution, not the problem. Shine a light on these cockroaches and they run for cover usually by way of changing their name or taking a convenient "time out" to obfuscate their true mission which is to fuck with Fornits for shits and grins. Why do you people fear someone like the Who? The pesky troll is out in the open not hiding behind some phony alliance with survivors who individually and as a whole are the true force behind Fornits.
The Who is not the enemy. It's subversion of free speech in any way, shape or form.
Think about it. The chaos of late would not exist if not for irrational accusations and fear mongering.
Ha, ha, ha.
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Ultimately... it's not my decision. I just work here.
gnight!
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the who posting is like having an advertising banner for Aspen. He claims people email him for info on programs. Ban him.
The best I could do is change his usergroup to "Aspen's Goebbels". This is an unmoderated forum, for better or worse. Take it up with Ginger, but believe me, i've tried. IMO, The Who's idea of free speech is jamming his fingers in his ears and screaming "LALALALALLALALAA" at the top of his lungs so others can't speak effectively or are forced to tell him to STFU. Thank god for the ignore button.
The ignore button is a very effective tool for this and the flame wars have subsided greatly since it implementation a month ago. For those who don’t have a log in name I suggest getting one and then you can choose who to listen to and if someone speaks outside of the group think you can press the button and you don’t have to hear their chatter anymore. For others 99% of all my posts are contained to one forum so its not as if my opinions are widespread.
Unless someone is purposely trying to disrupt conversations, spam or block free speech I don’t see a reason to ban anyone personally.
As far as the "Aspen's Goebbels", I sort of like it in an odd sort of way. I have received more emails from parents asking me why I choose to put that on my name and it gives me the chance to tell my "scarlet letter" story, so it is a nice "ice breaker" of sorts for conversation.
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I have sat here and watched people, under the guise of well intended posters, telling parents, who were here looking for advice, that there was no help available for their child and that all programs were abusive.
Because all TBS/RTC type programs that use LGATs or the like, ARE abusive.
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The Who: Pompous ass troll WHO actually believes his own hype.
Look, if parents are stupid enough to buy into the Who they will pay the price in more ways than one.
Meanwhile, we will pray for their children to survive the worst possible decision their parents could have ever made which is to abandon their defenseless children to the care of an unregulated, dangerously out-of-control industry and continue to warn other parents to beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. Educating parents is the best defense against this evil industry and it's shills.
Pay no mind to The Who and you render him impotent and invisible. Focus on the message, not the messenger.
IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE
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I have sat here and watched people, under the guise of well intended posters, telling parents, who were here looking for advice, that there was no help available for their child and that all programs were abusive.
Because all TBS/RTC type programs that use LGATs or the like, ARE abusive.
Thank you for posting this, I was looking for an example of a closed minded non-thinker.....
This is the exact mentality many of us have to live with here on fornits... all TBS's are the same... they are all abusive... 25,000 children are abused every year and nobody knows about it, in 30 years not one child has ever been helped.
We all have to listen to this crap yet people think I should be banned, go figure.
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It's not a question of whether kids have been helped or not.
Just surviving a program is a miracle, in and of itself.
Kids have died in these programs and no one is held accountable.
That's what this is about.
Parents beware. Don't give up on your kids by sending them away to be "fixed".
That is the biggest myth of all and the most dangerous.
I know.
I lived it.
And so did my parents who will always carry the burden of how they almost killed me trying to "help me".
I saved myself the day I resolved not to let the program break me.
I am a survivor.
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Thank you for posting this, I was looking for an example of a closed minded non-thinker.....
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Nice. No wonder you're viewed as a fuckin' disease, ad-monger. Name your non-abusive programs, or shut the hell up.
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just catching up on past posts. And not sure of current conflict .
but to any parents of TSB students reading this: Fornits was the reason I went along with my child' decison on leaving their TBS school. It was an excellent decision after making a horrendous decision to get educational consultants involved.
I can emal anyone privately with my daughter's story. But just knowing this site existed and the support provided allowed us as a family to realize that we were being bamboozled and our daughter being brainwashed.
She is doing very well.
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Banning The Who is a stupid knee jerk reaction. Hell, what about the lunatics pretending to be freedom fighters who easily slip under the radar? There is enough feedback on The Who to enlighten people. It's the phony anti-industry trolls that bother me. The ones who pretend to be part of the solution, not the problem. Shine a light on these cockroaches and they run for cover usually by way of changing their name or taking a convenient "time out" to obfuscate their true mission which is to fuck with Fornits for shits and grins. Why do you people fear someone like the Who? The pesky troll is out in the open not hiding behind some phony alliance with survivors who individually and as a whole are the true force behind Fornits.
The Who is not the enemy. It's subversion of free speech in any way, shape or form.
Think about it. The chaos of late would not exist if not for irrational accusations and fear mongering.
Oh come on now.. I've never once slipped under the radar. I don't know how you can miss someone like me. Don't be afraid to say my name. I don't mind, I've had my detractors every since I started posting here.
It's all good j. I won't bite.
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Get rid of the psychotic, ego maniac, self-loathing poster with the multiple aliases and Fornits won't be such a toxic wasteland.
Gee now, which one would that be? There are a number of them, fer sure, and there always have been... ;D ;D
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I have sat here and watched people, under the guise of well intended posters, telling parents, who were here looking for advice, that there was no help available for their child and that all programs were abusive.
Because all TBS/RTC type programs that use LGATs or the like, ARE abusive.
Thank you for posting this, I was looking for an example of a closed minded non-thinker.....
This is the exact mentality many of us have to live with here on fornits... all TBS's are the same... they are all abusive... 25,000 children are abused every year and nobody knows about it, in 30 years not one child has ever been helped.
We all have to listen to this crap yet people think I should be banned, go figure.
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I personally feel like using the ignore feature is weak. I mean come on!!!! Can't you just overlook posts made by these individuals that bother you without having to click an ignore button? I assume most of us have jobs here? When you have a problem with a co-worker are you able to click Ignore, and poof! The person automatically vanishes?!!! I don't think so! I don't feel The Who should have been banned in the past, nor should he be banned in the future. Having The Who around gives all you anti-program people the opportunity, and the ability to prove to parents why all programs are bad. Use it to your advantage.
As far as Fornits goes. It's still a great place to get information, and to connect with others. But, I personally don't feel safe posting things on here anymore. I also would make it very clear to current staff members/parents/or anyone that happens to be pro-program to be very careful about who you give your personal information too. And I am talking about from the second you make the decision to sign up for an account here. Don't use your real name, and if your email has your name in it, come up with a dummy one. I was very naive when it came to all this. my bad. You live, and you learn!
Also, has anyone noticed how there has been a decrease in postings? I do take into consideration that there has been a good number of other sites that have popped up that are similar to this one. But, do you think it could also be because there has been threats to expose people, or just outright doing it? There are also a lot of you on here that are very computer savvy. That's great, and all but keep in mind that some of us don't know how to use a proxy, or what a proxy even is! I hear the word proxy, and for all I know it could be just some damn cream people use to treat their hemorrhoids, lol!!!! But, if this was the forum it once used to be, nobody would be worried about slapping on any damn proxy?!! But, unfortunately it's not. So, I guess I'll sign up for a computer class. Anyway...........that's about it.
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Also, I forgot to mention!!!!!!! The altering of my posts, I really LOVED that!!!!!!
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Oh, we did too!
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I’m an ex- regular who comes no longer. The repelling force isn’t Mike, but a few fire whirls, including the loss of safety in posting here. Currently, one fears moderators will misuse their clout to compromise a vexing poster’s anonymity, or give information about their identities to programs or authorities.
A poster accused Zenagent of sexual abuse, being an alcoholic, and failure, upsetting him. He demanded the poster’s IP. It wasn’t revealed, but it’s repulsive that an accused abuser, who demanded the ID of their complainant- as if they had the right to that info- is now a moderator. Moderating powers should not be given to people who do not recognize ethical boundaries concerning privacy. Only people who don’t use their powers to obtain IPs as a method of handling detractors triggering personal insecurities, should be moderators. Zen’s powers should be strictly limited, or removed.
Mike having an ip collection is creepy, as is che “abusing his powers to check on ips.” This issue should be addressed. Moderators should have no more right to check ips for personal aims than regular posters
There needs to be mechanical limitations on moderator powers and these should publicly posted.
Secondly, Fornits shouldn’t be hijacked by a small group from a traditionally abusive rtc. The YLF forum shouldn’t be on top. The rtcs and cults discussed inside already have their forums. I feel like some program parents don’t “need” this forum emotionally and have turned it into a place where insults about being gay and poor, and orders to identify yourself have replaced communication. They aren’t interested n communication but a bully-pulpit platform which has resulted in a corresponding decline of other voices
Finally, fornits should be fully anon again. Stop forcing “name” declarations when logging in as guest. “Tortured kids,” “cafety,” and mike’s forum are dead because of the “signing in” policy. The emotions provoked by discussion of therapeutic cult abuse are too painful to expect people to log in. This I.D.ing policy drives survivors away.
Who decides how the forum is run, anyway?
Whoever that is should consider these issues. I surmised that people would stop posting when invasive I.D.ing and unreliable moderators became worries, and this prediction has proved accurate.
With that said, there is no pleasing everyone. Individually, I’d like to feel relatively comfortable that my right to privacy is respected, even if I piss off individual moderators, and that all survivors aims are considered.
And before we EVEN go there, I’m not a troll, or involved in any of the personal disputes referenced.
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I’m an ex- regular who comes no longer.
Uhhh...bullshit? You're here now, aren't you? :D
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Fornits is moving closer to the policies of CAFETY with every day Michael is allowed to hold the reigns of power over this forum. If posters do not start demanding their complete freedom of speech that made this website what it was, it will eventually be gone. If you do not fit in with Michael's agenda to "fuck up programs" (from his own misguided perspective) -- if you disrupt what he deems serious conversations -- you will be silenced, threatened with police action and bullied of the forum. Don't say you weren't warned.
SOMEBODY GOT A PERSONAL AGENDA!
Yes I have an agenda. When you are silenced and banned for no reason at all, simply because Michael does not like what you say, and wants to intimidate you for his own entertainment by threatening police action -- then you might take it personally as well? Michael is bad for this forum, bad for free speech, and drunk on his own power (or maybe has nothing better to do).
is this spring drop out?
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I’m an ex- regular who comes no longer.
Uhhh...bullshit? You're here now, aren't you? :D
hehe :-* ;D One of my favorite fornits players, as usual
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Oh, we did too!
And you're proud of doing this? Interesting.
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Oh, we did too!
And you're proud of doing this? Interesting.
Its called 'sarcasm'.
(https://webspace.utexas.edu/warnerwt/picard-facepalm.jpg)
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What did you think would happen by putting Michael in charge of your forum? That it would get better? Fornits is irrelevant to anyone with half a brain these days. No new posters for how long --that aren't fake? How many regulars stopped posting? Right. The rhetoric is sound, the implementation hypocritical to such a degree it could no longer be ignored by even the most forgiving of allies. You can't just blame Michael though, he was just the another nail in the coffin. Blame the one with the hammer. So what do you have left? The same small group of posters, the same old arguments, the same suspicions and paranoia-- which only seem to compound with time. New here? Run. Get far away, and don't get sucked into the vortex of self hatred that is fornits. Now be your usual selves, such is expected around here.
since when is michael in charge? LOL
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I’m an ex- regular who comes no longer. The repelling force isn’t Mike, but a few fire whirls, including the loss of safety in posting here. Currently, one fears moderators will misuse their clout to compromise a vexing poster’s anonymity, or give information about their identities to programs or authorities.
A poster accused Zenagent of sexual abuse, being an alcoholic, and failure, upsetting him. He demanded the poster’s IP. It wasn’t revealed, but it’s repulsive that an accused abuser, who demanded the ID of their complainant- as if they had the right to that info- is now a moderator. Moderating powers should not be given to people who do not recognize ethical boundaries concerning privacy. Only people who don’t use their powers to obtain IPs as a method of handling detractors triggering personal insecurities, should be moderators. Zen’s powers should be strictly limited, or removed.
Mike having an ip collection is creepy, as is che “abusing his powers to check on ips.” This issue should be addressed. Moderators should have no more right to check ips for personal aims than regular posters
There needs to be mechanical limitations on moderator powers and these should publicly posted.
Secondly, Fornits shouldn’t be hijacked by a small group from a traditionally abusive rtc. The YLF forum shouldn’t be on top. The rtcs and cults discussed inside already have their forums. I feel like some program parents don’t “need” this forum emotionally and have turned it into a place where insults about being gay and poor, and orders to identify yourself have replaced communication. They aren’t interested n communication but a bully-pulpit platform which has resulted in a corresponding decline of other voices
Finally, fornits should be fully anon again. Stop forcing “name” declarations when logging in as guest. “Tortured kids,” “cafety,” and mike’s forum are dead because of the “signing in” policy. The emotions provoked by discussion of therapeutic cult abuse are too painful to expect people to log in. This I.D.ing policy drives survivors away.
Who decides how the forum is run, anyway?
Whoever that is should consider these issues. I surmised that people would stop posting when invasive I.D.ing and unreliable moderators became worries, and this prediction has proved accurate.
With that said, there is no pleasing everyone. Individually, I’d like to feel relatively comfortable that my right to privacy is respected, even if I piss off individual moderators, and that all survivors aims are considered.
And before we EVEN go there, I’m not a troll, or involved in any of the personal disputes referenced.
Could you be any more obvious? Log in, CCM, if you're going to sling this. I've got you blocked.
cOULD YOU BE ANY MORE OBVIOUS"
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Actually Zen the anon makes some valid points. It is creepy that people collect IPs. Wasn't aware psy did that, but it wouldn't surprise me. I know another past admin did it and she told me she had quite the extensive excell websheet all worked up.
It was equally wrong of me to mention checking people's IP addies. No excuses can be made for that sort of thing. I like the idea of a faceless anonymous admin myself. No one really needs to know who the admin is for fornits. The fact that I got rid of all the damn admins in my "Admin Massacre" illustrates my annoyance with the ongoing struggles of fornits on this bone of contention. Afterwards I understood the admins weren't supposed to be known and ginger had set up an account or two for the admins to do tech work. Other than that they were supposed to stay off the forums.
This lasted for about 24 hours at max.
Definitely I agree that in order to restore confidence in the forums a premium has to be placed on the privacy of the posters of all sorts. We have plenty of unmoderated boards on fornits for the posters to post to their hearts content free of the influence of moderation. No anon should feel the threat of having their identity revealed, and to ensure this the presence of admin on these forums should be kept minimal and strictly to technical issues.
As for you being an abuser the only thing I've seen you abuse is the English language. I have every bit of confidence for you to moderate a board that gives you no power what so ever over any other section of fornits. Pretty silly that people don't get this despite being repeatedly told. Someone oughta make a big sign or something.
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I’m an ex- regular who comes no longer. The repelling force isn’t Mike, but a few fire whirls, including the loss of safety in posting here. Currently, one fears moderators will misuse their clout to compromise a vexing poster’s anonymity, or give information about their identities to programs or authorities.
A poster accused Zenagent of sexual abuse, being an alcoholic, and failure, upsetting him. He demanded the poster’s IP. It wasn’t revealed, but it’s repulsive that an accused abuser, who demanded the ID of their complainant- as if they had the right to that info- is now a moderator. Moderating powers should not be given to people who do not recognize ethical boundaries concerning privacy. Only people who don’t use their powers to obtain IPs as a method of handling detractors triggering personal insecurities, should be moderators. Zen’s powers should be strictly limited, or removed.
Mike having an ip collection is creepy, as is che “abusing his powers to check on ips.” This issue should be addressed. Moderators should have no more right to check ips for personal aims than regular posters
There needs to be mechanical limitations on moderator powers and these should publicly posted.
Secondly, Fornits shouldn’t be hijacked by a small group from a traditionally abusive rtc. The YLF forum shouldn’t be on top. The rtcs and cults discussed inside already have their forums. I feel like some program parents don’t “need” this forum emotionally and have turned it into a place where insults about being gay and poor, and orders to identify yourself have replaced communication. They aren’t interested n communication but a bully-pulpit platform which has resulted in a corresponding decline of other voices
Finally, fornits should be fully anon again. Stop forcing “name” declarations when logging in as guest. “Tortured kids,” “cafety,” and mike’s forum are dead because of the “signing in” policy. The emotions provoked by discussion of therapeutic cult abuse are too painful to expect people to log in. This I.D.ing policy drives survivors away.
Who decides how the forum is run, anyway?
Whoever that is should consider these issues. I surmised that people would stop posting when invasive I.D.ing and unreliable moderators became worries, and this prediction has proved accurate.
With that said, there is no pleasing everyone. Individually, I’d like to feel relatively comfortable that my right to privacy is respected, even if I piss off individual moderators, and that all survivors aims are considered.
And before we EVEN go there, I’m not a troll, or involved in any of the personal disputes referenced.
Could you be any more obvious? Log in, CCM, if you're going to sling this. I've got you blocked.
cOULD YOU BE ANY MORE OBVIOUS"
I guess you won't see this, will you Zen? Hahahahaha, ya right! You know you can't resist my posts, lol!!!!! Anyway, not my post above, btw. Hellooooooo, this person is waaaaay too smart, and uses much bigger words then me. They more then likely applied a good amount of proxy too, lol!!!!! Not even my writing style. Come on Zen! Maybe you have forgotten my writing style since you have on your Ignored list? Whatever! If you're going to point a finger make sure it's at the right person. But that's really not your style now, is it?
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I’m an ex- regular who comes no longer. The repelling force isn’t Mike, but a few fire whirls, including the loss of safety in posting here. Currently, one fears moderators will misuse their clout to compromise a vexing poster’s anonymity, or give information about their identities to programs or authorities.
A poster accused Zenagent of sexual abuse, being an alcoholic, and failure, upsetting him. He demanded the poster’s IP. It wasn’t revealed, but it’s repulsive that an accused abuser, who demanded the ID of their complainant- as if they had the right to that info- is now a moderator.
He's only a moderator on the PV sub-forum of YLF.
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Actually Zen the anon makes some valid points. It is creepy that people collect IPs. Wasn't aware psy did that, but it wouldn't surprise me.
I don't keep lists like that other Admin you referred to did. If you have a problem, take it up with ginger, please. People: There are only two admins on this forum. Me, and Ginger. Neither of us have ever... ever... released a single IP address to anybody. I take orders from her and follow them. I just work here. Stop blaming me for things that other admins might have done in the past. Even the admin you refer to who kept the list only did it for her own organizational purposes, and only in the forum where he/she was already a moderator (a moderated forum). Do you want to hurt Fornits, Che? Do you have an agenda? Is this personal? Take it up with Ginger and stop trying to scare the forum populace if you have a problem with me. Doing that just proves to me that you care more about your personal quibbles than the overall welfare of the forum.
Need I mention the time, before I became an admin, that You violated the forum's confidence, gave me TheWho's IP address, and told me to disseminate it (which I didn't). This was when he posted in the facilities questions forum. You are such a fucking hypocrite, Che. Maybe Angela is right about you. I keep wondering how Benchmark knew we were coming and why most of the kids were already gone when we got there. I don't trust you anymore, Che. You go around spreading lies about me and others. Is it personal, or professional, Che?
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I’m an ex- regular who comes no longer. The repelling force isn’t Mike, but a few fire whirls, including the loss of safety in posting here. Currently, one fears moderators will misuse their clout to compromise a vexing poster’s anonymity, or give information about their identities to programs or authorities.
A poster accused Zenagent of sexual abuse, being an alcoholic, and failure, upsetting him. He demanded the poster’s IP. It wasn’t revealed, but it’s repulsive that an accused abuser, who demanded the ID of their complainant- as if they had the right to that info- is now a moderator. Moderating powers should not be given to people who do not recognize ethical boundaries concerning privacy. Only people who don’t use their powers to obtain IPs as a method of handling detractors triggering personal insecurities, should be moderators. Zen’s powers should be strictly limited, or removed.
Mike having an ip collection is creepy, as is che “abusing his powers to check on ips.” This issue should be addressed. Moderators should have no more right to check ips for personal aims than regular posters
There needs to be mechanical limitations on moderator powers and these should publicly posted.
Secondly, Fornits shouldn’t be hijacked by a small group from a traditionally abusive rtc. The YLF forum shouldn’t be on top. The rtcs and cults discussed inside already have their forums. I feel like some program parents don’t “need” this forum emotionally and have turned it into a place where insults about being gay and poor, and orders to identify yourself have replaced communication. They aren’t interested n communication but a bully-pulpit platform which has resulted in a corresponding decline of other voices
Finally, fornits should be fully anon again. Stop forcing “name” declarations when logging in as guest. “Tortured kids,” “cafety,” and mike’s forum are dead because of the “signing in” policy. The emotions provoked by discussion of therapeutic cult abuse are too painful to expect people to log in. This I.D.ing policy drives survivors away.
Who decides how the forum is run, anyway?
Whoever that is should consider these issues. I surmised that people would stop posting when invasive I.D.ing and unreliable moderators became worries, and this prediction has proved accurate.
With that said, there is no pleasing everyone. Individually, I’d like to feel relatively comfortable that my right to privacy is respected, even if I piss off individual moderators, and that all survivors aims are considered.
And before we EVEN go there, I’m not a troll, or involved in any of the personal disputes referenced.
I am also a regular, ex- or whatever, and not this person or CCMgirl who I don't agree with usually. But the IP collections and the disrespect for posters anonymity and the selective banning and hostile language coming out of moderators and administrators mouths have GOT to STOP if people are ever gonna trust fornits again. Ginger seems to be okay but the collective maturity of the rest of you running around with badges on your chests is that of a five year old. Adios amigos.
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PROTIP: Don't listen to guests. They often are trolls who have nothing better to do than to talk to themselves.
I DO NOT KEEP A LIST OF IPS. CHE MADE THAT UP BECAUSE HE'S A FUCKING ASSHOLE. IF IT WERE LEGAL, IP ADDRESSES WOULDN'T BE COLLECTED BY THE SERVER AT ALL!!!
As for the name declaration... you can enter anything you like in the guest name box, and as far as I know, nothing at all. Nobody forces anybody to log in. Few forums allow unrestricted, unmoderated, guest postings. This is one of them. If you have a problem, take it up with ginger or post a request in the web hosting forum. Look. I feel like i'm trying to do my best here and i'm just getting attacked for it... All i'm doing is following orders... so fuck you all.
and for the last time:
NOBODY HAS BEEN BANNED FROM FORNITS... NOR EVER WILL BE
FUCK YOU FOR SUGGESTING OTHERWISE
I will not respond to any guest postings on this thread anymore. this is absurd. I have better shit to do. Present evidence of wrongdoing of shut the fuck up. pix or it didn't happen.
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Wow.. I'm not even going to bother dignifying this with a response. Ladies and gentlemen I'm sorry to say but I think I've lost all confidence and faith in the future of fornits. The ship is officially going down.
Good luck and godspeed.
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Also, I forgot to mention!!!!!!! The altering of my posts, I really LOVED that!!!!!!
That happened when Che got admin privs and immediately abused them by deleting the ASR thread, Giving Niles admin privs (who, afaik, was the one to edit your posts) and generally raised all sorts of hell. He called this immature act of idiocy his "Jihad on Admins". He's been nothing but a loose cannon on this forum, IMO, posting that he is drunk, on drugs, screwing hookers, etc... At the same time he acts like he wants parents to take what he has to say seriously... Come on...
I'm not the first person to think that he does this on purpose but was unwilling to entertain the idea until he started going behind my back and lying about me. I then looked closer and caught him lying about others... I don't have to name names.. People are starting to figure this out on their own.
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Psy.. I feel a great deal of pity for you. But in the end I'll forgive you for the things that you have said as I know you mean well.
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I’m an ex- regular who comes no longer. The repelling force isn’t Mike, but a few fire whirls, including the loss of safety in posting here. Currently, one fears moderators will misuse their clout to compromise a vexing poster’s anonymity, or give information about their identities to programs or authorities.
A poster accused Zenagent of sexual abuse, being an alcoholic, and failure, upsetting him. He demanded the poster’s IP. It wasn’t revealed, but it’s repulsive that an accused abuser, who demanded the ID of their complainant- as if they had the right to that info- is now a moderator.
He's only a moderator on the PV sub-forum of YLF.
I would like to add - shut up, Miranda. You're a troll, everyone knows it. If you're going to act like an asshole, people have a right to address your bullshit. But you hide.
Psy, can the ignore feature be set to block the IP of the person being ignored, so I don't have to read her shit when she "slips under the radar"?
Does CCM really stand for "Crack Craving Miranda"?
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Quote from: psy on Today at 02:54:59 AM
Need I mention the time, before I became an admin, that You violated the forum's confidence, gave me his IP address, and told me to disseminate it (which I didn't). This was when he posted in the facilities questions forum. You are such a fucking hypocrite, Che. Maybe Angela is right about you. I keep wondering how Benchmark knew we were coming and why most of the kids were already gone when we got there. I don't trust you anymore, Che. You go around spreading lies about me and others. Is it personal, or professional, Che?
Reply from: Che before he edited it
I spent well over 2 grand on that trip. I paid for your plane ticket. I paid for a huge chunk of the hotel bills. I paid for a load of other crap as well. I gave that one kid 300 bucks in cash. I took a bunch of money out of my savings and had it ready to pay for a bus ticket for every single one of those kids out of there. I lost money when Ginger kept changing her mind about her plane ticket and had to pay over 200 bucks to get it rerouted and then canceled. I still have never recouped the full value of that ticket.
Those are not the actions of a person who tipped them off.
Your irrational behavior frankly is starting to be of concern. First you called me a cult leader, and now you are claiming I'm the blame for tipping off Benchmark? Mike I think you really need to step back from the computer and take a break. Taking your cues from various unstable personalites in this field aren't helping you in anyway shape or form.
Note two very clear things:
1) I said it wouldn't surprise me if you had kept a record of IP addresses. I never said for sure that you did it. You seems to keep lengthy records of just about everything else that goes on so it only goes to figure that it is highly plausible. Your response isn't the sort that leads me to conclude that you are being entirely honest.
2) You told me that the hosting for fornits was being paid by yourself. So just how much Ginger's word in all of this matter seems a very wide open question.
I'm not at all interested in going back and forth with you. The damage collectively done by these arguements have put a great deal of fear into the posting population. If you want to discuss this further I'll be happy to do so in a civil manner. Your unfounded, and very nasty insinuations won't be welcome to this conversation either.
Berating other posters isn't helping you either. Step back away from the keyboard and let people draw their own conclusions without you attacking them with name calling, accusatons of loyalty, and other unhelpful tactics.
Seriously Mike.. You need a vacation or something.. What you've been doing these days isn't at all helpful. Have you been changing meds or something? Because the only thing I'm seeing here is a very disturbing trend of behavior. The kind of behavior I sort of expect out of my self after about `12 beers and a Xanax.
Juicy...
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Psy, can the ignore feature be set to block the IP of the person being ignored, so I don't have to read her shit when she "slips under the radar"?
Sadly, no. And even if it were possible, I couldn't give you the IP to block. You can, however, ignore all guest posts by adding "Guest" to your ignore list (but I wouldn't advise that).
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I would like to add - shut up, Miranda. You're a troll, everyone knows it. If you're going to act like an asshole, people have a right to address your bullshit. But you hide.
Psy, can the ignore feature be set to block the IP of the person being ignored, so I don't have to read her shit when she "slips under the radar"?
Does CCM really stand for "Crack Craving Miranda"?
We were all just told that Zens moderating privileges were limited to the YLF forum. So how can he come over to the TTI forum and start outing people based on their IP addresses . Zen, you just outed a survivor on an open forum because they disagree with you. Why are you so pissed about people posting as a "guest" when you can read everyones IP#?
Why is it not okay to post as a “guest”? This is not something that is unique to internet forums or fornits. Talk radio has had anonymous callers for decades. People call in and say “This is Mike from Pittsburgh….” They may or may not give their real name and the show host could check the id of the caller easily if they wanted and out them over the air, but they don’t, because first it isn’t right and secondly people would stop calling in. Successful open forums (and talk radio) are built upon anonymity.
People say bad stuff about me all the time, but I don’t ask for or expect to get their IP addresses. Of all the people having keys to fornits, you should be the last one because of your track record here and in other forums.
I think you know who this is just check my IP#.
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Anyway, not my post above, btw. Hellooooooo, this person is waaaaay too smart, and uses much bigger words then me.
Yes, don't know why Zen thought that was you... I didn't think that post was written by you. It sounded more like TheWho to me, if anyone.
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I am also a regular, ex- or whatever, and not this person or CCMgirl who I don't agree with usually. But the IP collections and the disrespect for posters anonymity and the selective banning and hostile language coming out of moderators and administrators mouths have GOT to STOP if people are ever gonna trust fornits again. Ginger seems to be okay but the collective maturity of the rest of you running around with badges on your chests is that of a five year old. Adios amigos.
If you're a regular with a legit beef, why not log in?
I don't see anyone getting banned. (Ok maybe from the shoutbox, but not the forums.)
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I would like to add - shut up, Miranda. You're a troll, everyone knows it. If you're going to act like an asshole, people have a right to address your bullshit. But you hide.
Psy, can the ignore feature be set to block the IP of the person being ignored, so I don't have to read her shit when she "slips under the radar"?
Does CCM really stand for "Crack Craving Miranda"?
We were all just told that Zens moderating privileges were limited to the YLF forum. So how can he come over to the TTI forum and start outing people based on their IP addresses . Zen, you just outed a survivor on an open forum because they disagree with you. Why are you so pissed about people posting as a "guest" when you can read everyones IP#?
Why is it not okay to post as a “guest”? This is not something that is unique to internet forums or fornits. Talk radio has had anonymous callers for decades. People call in and say “This is Mike from Pittsburgh….” They may or may not give their real name and the show host could check the id of the caller easily if they wanted and out them over the air, but they don’t, because first it isn’t right and secondly people would stop calling in. Successful open forums (and talk radio) are built upon anonymity.
People say bad stuff about me all the time, but I don’t ask for or expect to get their IP addresses. Of all the people having keys to fornits, you should be the last one because of your track record here and in other forums.
I think you know who this is just check my IP#.
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Yeah...she's a survivor, alright. Against WWASP, but pro-program, just like Sue Scheff. Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who. I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
How did I "out" somebody? If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game. Dude. By the way, I can't see anyone's IP. There's a good reason for that, because I would abuse that privilege to "out" you. Just being honest.
Once again, the ignore feature is useless as long as the ignored slip by as anons. Block their IP's so they're truly ignored. Thewho and CCM are so desperate to be noticed, they'll do anything to get attention. That's truly pathetic, trollish activity.
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Also, I forgot to mention!!!!!!! The altering of my posts, I really LOVED that!!!!!!
That happened when Che got admin privs and immediately abused them by deleting the ASR thread, Giving Niles admin privs (who, afaik, was the one to edit your posts) and generally raised all sorts of hell. He called this immature act of idiocy his "Jihad on Admins". He's been nothing but a loose cannon on this forum, IMO, posting that he is drunk, on drugs, screwing hookers, etc... At the same time he acts like he wants parents to take what he has to say seriously... Come on...
I'm not the first person to think that he does this on purpose but was unwilling to entertain the idea until he started going behind my back and lying about me. I then looked closer and caught him lying about others... I don't have to name names.. People are starting to figure this out on their own.
I don't think Niles should be disparaged for being real (himself), if he is in fact being real...
Nothing wrong with drinking, drugs, and illicit sex, IMHO...lol.
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I would like to add - shut up, Miranda. You're a troll, everyone knows it. If you're going to act like an asshole, people have a right to address your bullshit. But you hide.
Psy, can the ignore feature be set to block the IP of the person being ignored, so I don't have to read her shit when she "slips under the radar"?
Does CCM really stand for "Crack Craving Miranda"?
We were all just told that Zens moderating privileges were limited to the YLF forum. So how can he come over to the TTI forum and start outing people based on their IP addresses . Zen, you just outed a survivor on an open forum because they disagree with you. Why are you so pissed about people posting as a "guest" when you can read everyones IP#
If Zen indeed did that, he's entitled to a spanking. That being said, He can't see people's IP addresses outside of the PV YLF subforum. He probably bluffed and the person then confirmed it.
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Hey, I think we ALL could do with slinging back a few beers and putting this to rest for another time. The level of mud-slinging is getting to be beyond the pale. Y'all have something to offer here, each in his own way. Save the best venom for the programs.
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Was it Sue-Sue and her threats, or the constant moving of hosting services, or did Ginger just get tired of all this or what?
Whah? No, none of the above. Just that I've been busy with life here lately. Suffice it to say I'm answering in action a valid, if often rhetorical, question for myself and for anyone who has ever asked it; "Well, what else do you do besides a Program? What's your solution?" I'm living well and enjoying my family, friends and work. Plus I know this thing will keep on rollin' pretty well without me for quite some time.
It's about that time. I'll have to schedule a certain time a couple times a week to focus on just Fornits.
Anyway, this is as far as I've gotten reading today. I'll be back... shit, most likely tonight or tomorrow morning.
Love and Peace
In the Chicken Grease
Ginger
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Also, I forgot to mention!!!!!!! The altering of my posts, I really LOVED that!!!!!!
That happened when Che got admin privs and immediately abused them by deleting the ASR thread, Giving Niles admin privs (who, afaik, was the one to edit your posts) and [aaron] generally raised all sorts of hell. Aaron called this immature act of idiocy his "Jihad on Admins". He's been nothing but a loose cannon on this forum, IMO, posting that he is drunk, on drugs, screwing hookers, etc... At the same time he acts like he wants parents to take what he has to say seriously... Come on...
I'm not the first person to think that he does this on purpose but was unwilling to entertain the idea until he started going behind my back and lying about me. I then looked closer and caught him lying about others... I don't have to name names.. People are starting to figure this out on their own.
I don't think Niles should be disparaged for being real (himself), if he is in fact being real...
Nothing wrong with drinking, drugs, and illicit sex, IMHO...lol.
I wasn't referring to niles. See above edit that makes it clearer
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Yeah...she's a survivor, alright. Against WWASP, but pro-program, just like Sue Scheff. Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who. I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
How did I "out" somebody? If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game. Dude. By the way, I can't see anyone's IP. There's a good reason for that, because I would abuse that privilege to "out" you. Just being honest.
Once again, the ignore feature is useless as long as the ignored slip by as anons. Block their IP's so they're truly ignored. Thewho and CCM are so desperate to be noticed, they'll do anything to get attention. That's truly pathetic, trollish activity.
It's precisely this type of psychotic paranoid poster that turns people off to this discussion. It wouldn't be a big deal if they weren't in a position of power on this forum, and engaged in self-congratulatory wanking sessions with other moderators and plotting and sharing information about posters. CCM girl spent longer than most anyone on this forum in various programs. Because she isn't a complete ideological zealot like those in charge, she gets trashed worse than the people actually doing the abusing. Che is right, this forum is toast, and you have no one to blame but yourselves.
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Yeah...she's a survivor, alright. Against WWASP, but pro-program, just like Sue Scheff. Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who. I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
How did I "out" somebody? If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game. Dude. By the way, I can't see anyone's IP. There's a good reason for that, because I would abuse that privilege to "out" you. Just being honest.
Once again, the ignore feature is useless as long as the ignored slip by as anons. Block their IP's so they're truly ignored. Thewho and CCM are so desperate to be noticed, they'll do anything to get attention. That's truly pathetic, trollish activity.
It's precisely this type of psychotic paranoid poster that turns people off to this discussion. It wouldn't be a big deal if they weren't in a position of power on this forum, and engaged in self-congratulatory wanking sessions with other moderators and plotting and sharing information about posters. CCM girl spent longer than most anyone on this forum in various programs. Because she isn't a complete ideological zealot like those in charge, she gets trashed worse than the people actually doing the abusing. Che is right, this forum is toast, and you have no one to blame but yourselves.
"psychotic and paranoid" Diagnoses from the...what? You're the one who's paranoid, concerned about me seeing IP's. I can't. I bluffed. You reacted crazily, and I got satisfaction. End.
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Yeah...she's a survivor, alright. Against WWASP, but pro-program, just like Sue Scheff. Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who. I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
How did I "out" somebody? If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game. Dude. By the way, I can't see anyone's IP. There's a good reason for that, because I would abuse that privilege to "out" you. Just being honest.
Once again, the ignore feature is useless as long as the ignored slip by as anons. Block their IP's so they're truly ignored. Thewho and CCM are so desperate to be noticed, they'll do anything to get attention. That's truly pathetic, trollish activity.
It's precisely this type of psychotic paranoid poster that turns people off to this discussion. It wouldn't be a big deal if they weren't in a position of power on this forum, and engaged in self-congratulatory wanking sessions with other moderators and plotting and sharing information about posters. CCM girl spent longer than most anyone on this forum in various programs. Because she isn't a complete ideological zealot like those in charge, she gets trashed worse than the people actually doing the abusing. Che is right, this forum is toast, and you have no one to blame but yourselves.
A "complete idealogical zealot"? Wha...?
I don't think that's why she gets "trashed" here.
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Yeah...she's a survivor, alright. Against WWASP, but pro-program, just like Sue Scheff. Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who. I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
How did I "out" somebody? If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game. Dude. By the way, I can't see anyone's IP. There's a good reason for that, because I would abuse that privilege to "out" you. Just being honest.
Once again, the ignore feature is useless as long as the ignored slip by as anons. Block their IP's so they're truly ignored. Thewho and CCM are so desperate to be noticed, they'll do anything to get attention. That's truly pathetic, trollish activity.
It's precisely this type of psychotic paranoid poster that turns people off to this discussion. It wouldn't be a big deal if they weren't in a position of power on this forum, and engaged in self-congratulatory wanking sessions with other moderators and plotting and sharing information about posters. CCM girl spent longer than most anyone on this forum in various programs. Because she isn't a complete ideological zealot like those in charge, she gets trashed worse than the people actually doing the abusing. Che is right, this forum is toast, and you have no one to blame but yourselves.
A "complete idealogical zealot"? Wha...?
I don't think that's why she gets "trashed" here.
CCMGirl said she believes there are some good programs, while still acknowledging the existence of abusive ones. She named one that she attended she felt was helpful. As soon as she let that slip, most posters turned their backs on her or started an outright attack.
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Yeah...she's a survivor, alright. Against WWASP, but pro-program, just like Sue Scheff. Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who. I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
How did I "out" somebody? If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game. Dude. By the way, I can't see anyone's IP. There's a good reason for that, because I would abuse that privilege to "out" you. Just being honest.
Once again, the ignore feature is useless as long as the ignored slip by as anons. Block their IP's so they're truly ignored. Thewho and CCM are so desperate to be noticed, they'll do anything to get attention. That's truly pathetic, trollish activity.
It's precisely this type of psychotic paranoid poster that turns people off to this discussion. It wouldn't be a big deal if they weren't in a position of power on this forum, and engaged in self-congratulatory wanking sessions with other moderators and plotting and sharing information about posters. CCM girl spent longer than most anyone on this forum in various programs. Because she isn't a complete ideological zealot like those in charge, she gets trashed worse than the people actually doing the abusing. Che is right, this forum is toast, and you have no one to blame but yourselves.
A "complete idealogical zealot"? Wha...?
I don't think that's why she gets "trashed" here.
CCMGirl said she believes there are some good programs, while still acknowledging the existence of abusive ones. She named one that she attended she felt was helpful. As soon as she let that slip, most posters turned their backs on her or started an outright attack.
While the industry is unregulated there are effectively no safe programs. While there very well might be a safe program, hypothetically, since there is no way to tell definitively, and no state oversight, it's just not safe to take the plunge. It's like playing russian roulette with your kid's life. Also, I wouldn't recommend taking advice on where to place your child from anybody. You never know who might have a hidden agenda or a financial tie to a program (or the industry as a whole as represented by NATSAP).
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Yeah...she's a survivor, alright. Against WWASP, but pro-program, just like Sue Scheff. Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who.
So you like to categorize people as “good” survivors and “bad” survivors. The survivors that agree with you are okay to stay and post as guests. The ones that feel the industry isn’t inherently evil is in bed with Sue or Thewho. You live in a black and white world?
. I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
We all got the same information on you except you flipped out, cried foul and wanted the person banned for giving the information out. I seems its okay to get background information on people as long as it isn’t yourself.
How did I "out" somebody? If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game. Dude.
You have moderator status now, Zen.
By the way, I can't see anyone's IP. There's a good reason for that, because I would abuse that privilege to "out" you. Just being honest.
Hmmm…..
Once again, the ignore feature is useless as long as the ignored slip by as anons. Block their IP's so they're truly ignored. Thewho and CCM are so desperate to be noticed, they'll do anything to get attention. That's truly pathetic, trollish activity.
Look inward my man, the problem lies within. There will always be people with opposing views and hopefully there always will be.
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Yeah...she's a survivor, alright. Against WWASP, but pro-program, just like Sue Scheff. Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who. I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
How did I "out" somebody? If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game. Dude. By the way, I can't see anyone's IP. There's a good reason for that, because I would abuse that privilege to "out" you. Just being honest.
Once again, the ignore feature is useless as long as the ignored slip by as anons. Block their IP's so they're truly ignored. Thewho and CCM are so desperate to be noticed, they'll do anything to get attention. That's truly pathetic, trollish activity.
It's precisely this type of psychotic paranoid poster that turns people off to this discussion. It wouldn't be a big deal if they weren't in a position of power on this forum, and engaged in self-congratulatory wanking sessions with other moderators and plotting and sharing information about posters. CCM girl spent longer than most anyone on this forum in various programs. Because she isn't a complete ideological zealot like those in charge, she gets trashed worse than the people actually doing the abusing. Che is right, this forum is toast, and you have no one to blame but yourselves.
A "complete idealogical zealot"? Wha...?
I don't think that's why she gets "trashed" here.
CCMGirl said she believes there are some good programs, while still acknowledging the existence of abusive ones. She named one that she attended she felt was helpful. As soon as she let that slip, most posters turned their backs on her or started an outright attack.
While the industry is unregulated there are effectively no safe programs. While there very well might be a safe program, hypothetically, since there is no way to tell definitively, and no state oversight, it's just not safe to take the plunge. It's like playing russian roulette with your kid's life. Also, I wouldn't recommend taking advice on where to place your child from anybody. You never know who might have a hidden agenda or a financial tie to a program (or the industry as a whole as represented by NATSAP).
How do you know what programs (besides the ones you attended) are abusive and safe? You don't, so you tell parents that they are all as dangerous as the one you experience, or worse. We all know this isn't true. CCM says she was in a safe and effective program. I believe her, just as I believe the people who say they were in an abusive program. You can't believe one first-hand experience, and dismiss another, it doesn't work that way. What if your kid has serious problems and talks about suicide and uses drugs; isn't it also playing russian roulette by doing nothing? You say "I wouldn't reccomend taking advice on where to place your child from anybody"; well then why should people take advice on where NOT to place their kid?
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Other people have said other things about Cross Creek Manor, though...haven't they?
I really don't think there's as much "spin" going on as you like to claim, Who.
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While the industry is unregulated there are effectively no safe programs. While there very well might be a safe program, hypothetically, since there is no way to tell definitively, and no state oversight, it's just not safe to take the plunge. It's like playing russian roulette with your kid's life. Also, I wouldn't recommend taking advice on where to place your child from anybody. You never know who might have a hidden agenda or a financial tie to a program (or the industry as a whole as represented by NATSAP).
You can make that argument on any level, but you need to throw into the mix questions like “Are public schools effectively safe?”… “Is the local drug dealer effectively safe?”…. “Are you childs friends effectively safe”…. “Is living on the streets of NYC effectively safe?”…. should I go on?
When the day comes that a Therapeutic Boarding School becomes less safe than the few I mentioned above then I will start to agree with you, until then we need to have alternatives available for children who are presently living in or being exposed to a less safe place than Boarding schools.
Froderic, that wasnt me.
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Other people have said other things about Cross Creek Manor, though...haven't they?
I really don't think there's as much "spin" going on as you like to claim, Who.
Bingo. It wasn't that she thinks there are some good programs, it was the alignment with Who and her extreme defensiveness when she was questioned about the "safe" program she was touting.
Most of us 'zealots' are against any programs that do not give due process to kids and who use any form of the LGATs or Therapeutic Community approach that is directly taken from Synanon. You can't make that safe, ever. We are against programs that limit, restrict or monitor communication between parent and child. We are against kids having to pay for parents' mistakes in raising them. We are against programs that separate the child from family for months on end with no proper diagnosis or even proof of efficacy of the therapeutic value of the program they are in. If, in fact, these places produce such wonderful results (and have for oh, 40 or so years now), there ought to be ample 'proof' of efficacy, no? If you're going to advertise a program as being 'safe and effective', you damn well better have something to back that up.
CCM believes that in some instances its perfectly OK to ship a kid off with no due process. She's stated that much repeatedly. That, I think, is where most of us had a problem.
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You can make that argument on any level, but you need to throw into the mix questions like “Are public schools effectively safe?”… “Is the local drug dealer effectively safe?”…. “Are you childs friends effectively safe”…. “Is living on the streets of NYC effectively safe?”…. should I go on?
When the day comes that a Therapeutic Boarding School becomes less safe than the few I mentioned above then I will start to agree with you, until then we need to have alternatives available for children who are presently living in or being exposed to a less safe place than Boarding schools.
Froderic, that wasnt me.
Wrong, again.
Who: Some programs are safe and effective
Us: Really? Name one and cite proof of efficacy, i.e....long term, peer reviewed, clinical research.
Who: Nope, you prove that they're NOT effective. Public schools arent' safe. Drug dealers are bad.
Us: So, ya got nuthin'.
That's basically your argument here.
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Who, you are a really terrible liar...it's quite obvious that it's you. :D
(I would've known this even without the three dots.)
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CCM believes that in some instances its perfectly OK to ship a kid off with no due process. She's stated that much repeatedly. That, I think, is where most of us had a problem.
Exactly,she doesnt attack you for all of your opinions, so she shouldnt be attacked for believing it is okay for a child to receive help outside the home. She lived it 24/7 and is entitled to tell her story of what she went thru and if it was benificial and if she would recommend it to others or not.
There are good stories and bad stories. Why listen to one without the other?
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But what the hell makes you think people AREN'T listening?
If there was no one listening, then there wouldn't be anyone refuting her statements.
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Who, you are a really terrible liar...it's quite obvious that it's you. :D
(I would've known this even without the three dots.)
Its eerie, I read it twice myself and maybe I do suffer from MPD, It does sound like me and maybe it is a cut and paste from one of my older posts, but that post isnt mine. I give permission to check the IP's on this thread and ID all my posts if you like. I do agree with everything the poster said though.
Thats what I get for posting as a guest.
http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=25362.msg309677#msg309677 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=25362.msg309677#msg309677)
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Question for everyone: Who was the OP on this thread?
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Exactly,she doesnt attack you for all of your opinions, so she shouldnt be attacked for believing it is okay for a child to receive help outside the home.
WithOUT due process. Big difference. Huge. I've said that yes, some children (a miniscule amount) may need outside help......that should be WITH due process, WITH a proper dx and WITH proven, effective therapy. Not a fucking program, because they're NONE of that.
She lived it 24/7 and is entitled to tell her story of what she went thru and if it was benificial and if she would recommend it to others or not.
Yep, as did I, as am I.
There are good stories and bad stories. Why listen to one without the other?
We did listen. We didn't agree and stated so as we're entitled to do. When she started aligning herself with you is when I began to have a problem.
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Fornits unlike Cafety won't go down because of lack of interest or people jumping ship because of bruised egos. Cafety was like a leaky raft compared to Fornits, the biggest most menacing web-based destroyer of propaganda spread by programmies and their shills-for-hire. Fornits isn't an advocacy or activist "group". It's fluid. A "concept" that has worked very well over the years because for the most part, it has stayed true to its original intentions.
This allegation that someone or persons are harvesting IP's for nefarious reasons is repulsive but it sounds to me like that's not what is going on. Ditto any censoring beyond clamping down on anon postings on the shout box which is something that could and probably should be lifted once the dust settles over this latest flap.
In defense of Psy, it seems to me he is very transparent and makes an effort to explain himself and his actions without much prompting from the peanut gallery which I think most people respect him for. He's also helped to keep Fornits up and running following the attempts by what's-her-face to take it offline. That's an admirable thing to do, IMO.
If I could make a suggestion it would be to discontinue the hosting of special interest groups. Let them sink or swim on their own merit instead of dragging Fornits into their constant drama and infighting. How about an unmoderated forum where people can post links to their websites for announcements, updates, recruiting, etc?
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But what the hell makes you think people AREN'T listening?
If there was no one listening, then there wouldn't be anyone refuting her statements.
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Anne Boleyn: All programs are ineffective and abusive
Us: Really? Name them and cite proof of efficacy, i.e....long term, peer reviewed, clinical research.
Anne Boleyn: Nope, you prove that they ARE effective. Public schools are safe. Drug dealers are a good influence. Living on the streets of NYC is safe.
Us: So, ya got nuthin'.
This is basically your argument.
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Ok, safe to say enough time has been wasted here. Those of you who wish to do something to help kids in programs should look elsewhere for a way to do it.
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Anne Bonney, greatest pirate that ever lived: All programs that provide no due process for the kids, that use LGATs or positive peer culture or therapeutic community methods are ineffective and abusive
Us: Really? Name them and cite proof of efficacy, i.e....long term, peer reviewed, clinical research. Done already.
Who: Programs are wonderful, safe and effective.
Anne Bonney, greatest pirate that ever lived: : Please provide proof of such claims
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But what the hell makes you think people AREN'T listening?
If there was no one listening, then there wouldn't be anyone refuting her statements.
Yep
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Who, you agreed the ignore user feature was a good idea. Now you circumvent it, to inflict yourself on everyone? Were things to peaceful while you were ignored?
Log in, "my man".
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Not that anyone should care that much, but I don't bother with the ignore feature. I just skip over posts that I don't wanna read.
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Anne Bonney, greatest pirate that ever lived: All programs that provide no due process for the kids, that use LGATs or positive peer culture or therapeutic community methods are ineffective and abusive
Us: Really? Name them and cite proof of efficacy, i.e....long term, peer reviewed, clinical research. Done already.
Who: Programs are wonderful, safe and effective.
Anne Bonney, greatest pirate that ever lived: : Please provide proof of such claims
You will need to produce some evidence this time Anne, the last few times you opened you mouth and we asked for proof you cut bait and ran..... cough it up... and make it a clinical study, peer reviewed, long term study that was written this century. Or at least something that includes todays therapeutic boarding schools.
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What is this?
My attempt to fix what he did to my post. I failed. I'm doing six things at once.
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You will need to produce some evidence this time Anne, the last few times you opened you mouth and we asked for proof you cut bait and ran.....
The only thing I couldn't find was the original post re: Marcus. I admitted that.
cough it up... and make it a clinical study, peer reviewed, long term study that was written this century. Or at least something that includes todays therapeutic boarding schools.
How is it possible that you don't get that those claiming efficacy have the burden of proof????? You guys claim to be able to fix these kids. You claim that your programs 'work' yet you won't name any and can provide no proof that they do, in fact, 'work'. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Do you have a learning disability??
Again...
Who: Programs are great and help many kids.
Us: Really? Which ones and please cite your sources.
Who: No, you prove they don't work.
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Who, you agreed the ignore user feature was a good idea. Now you circumvent it, to inflict yourself on everyone? Were things to peaceful while you were ignored?
Log in, "my man".
Must be a lonely life he leads.
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We all got the same information on you except you flipped out, cried foul and wanted the person banned for giving the information out. I seems its okay to get background information on people as long as it isn’t yourself.
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We all? How many of you work as thewho?
Anyway, that's what I wanted you to post. Now, post the "information", or be revealed (once again) as a lying shill.
Post away, you "all" have the information. You have my permission.
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Question for everyone: Who was the OP on this thread?
It was me. do I win a cookie?
No, I am not TheWho or CCM like some seem to think.
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How is it possible that you don't get that those claiming efficacy have the burden of proof?????
So we can safely say you came up empty. So your claims that these programs are abusive are unfounded. Like you said the burden of proof falls on the shoulders of those who make the claims.
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Who, you are a really terrible liar...it's quite obvious that it's you. :D
(I would've known this even without the three dots.)
I definitely ain't theWho. lol
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Question for everyone: Who was the OP on this thread?
It was me. do I win a cookie?
No, I am not TheWho or CCM like some seem to think.
Well, I didn't think it was CCM since you used 'big words' like "rhetoric" and "implementation."
And it didn't quite sound like theWho either...
I dunno...I guess you could chalk it up to mild curiosity.
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Actually Zen the anon makes some valid points. It is creepy that people collect IPs. Wasn't aware psy did that, but it wouldn't surprise me.
I don't keep lists like that other Admin you referred to did. If you have a problem, take it up with ginger, please. People: There are only two admins on this forum. Me, and Ginger. Neither of us have ever... ever... released a single IP address to anybody. I take orders from her and follow them. I just work here. Stop blaming me for things that other admins might have done in the past. Even the admin you refer to who kept the list only did it for her own organizational purposes, and only in the forum where he/she was already a moderator (a moderated forum). Do you want to hurt Fornits, Che? Do you have an agenda? Is this personal? Take it up with Ginger and stop trying to scare the forum populace if you have a problem with me. Doing that just proves to me that you care more about your personal quibbles than the overall welfare of the forum.
Need I mention the time, before I became an admin, that You violated the forum's confidence, gave me TheWho's IP address, and told me to disseminate it (which I didn't). This was when he posted in the facilities questions forum. You are such a fucking hypocrite, Che. Maybe Angela is right about you. I keep wondering how Benchmark knew we were coming and why most of the kids were already gone when we got there. I don't trust you anymore, Che. You go around spreading lies about me and others. Is it personal, or professional, Che?
when are you yahoos going to realize, he's here for one reason. to kill this forum. plan is going well, just a little behind schedule. or maybe not. what was it che? 6 or 8 month projection?
don't you notice how he highjacks other people's projects. critiques everything, any effort, as if he were Lord Fornits. runs people off who aren't in step with his protest plan being the only method to shutdown the industry. how lame. protesting isn't going to do jack shit in the big picture. but it keeps his ego inflated while he sits on his fat ass on the other side of the world dictating what everyone else should do, while he does jack shit except get drunk and chase scanky legged whores.
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How is it possible that you don't get that those claiming efficacy have the burden of proof?????
So we can safely say you came up empty. So your claims that these programs are abusive are unfounded. Like you said the burden of proof falls on the shoulders of those who make the claims.
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SPEAKING OF PROOF, WHO... ;D
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How is it possible that you don't get that those claiming efficacy have the burden of proof?????
So we can safely say you came up empty. So your claims that these programs are abusive are unfounded. Like you said the burden of proof falls on the shoulders of those who make the claims.
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Round and round we go. This is fucking useless. Anne, you should quit right here, as at this point he is doing nothing but wasting your time. The burden of proof is on the programs who claim to be able to fix kids, end of story. There is plenty of goddamn evidence to the contrary, so let the programs defend themselves if they can.
Hopefully someone will end up going ballistic before too long and start offing some of these lying shitbags, then let's see what happens and how many people still want to go into "the industry." I'm not afraid to say that I hope that this happens, as there is no crime in hoping. Anyway, this debate has become tiresome at best.
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Round and round we go. This is fucking useless. Anne, you should quit right here, as at this point he is doing nothing but wasting your time. The burden of proof is on the programs who claim to be able to fix kids, end of story. There is plenty of goddamn evidence to the contrary, so let the programs defend themselves if they can.
Hopefully someone will end up going ballistic before too long and start offing some of these lying shitbags, then let's see what happens and how many people still want to go into "the industry." I'm not afraid to say that I hope that this happens, as there is no crime in hoping. Anyway, this debate has become tiresome at best.
Yep, you're right. Since he likes analogies, I'll give him a last one and let it go.
What if........
Big Pharma: We have a new drug that will make your kids behave.
Us: What is the name and please provide your research to prove it works and that it is safe.
Big Pharma: Nope, you prove it doesn't work and/or is dangerous.
Wonder how well that would go over?
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How is it possible that you don't get that those claiming efficacy have the burden of proof?????
So we can safely say you came up empty. So your claims that these programs are abusive are unfounded. Like you said the burden of proof falls on the shoulders of those who make the claims.
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SPEAKING OF PROOF, WHO... ;D
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Round and round we go. This is fucking useless. Anne, you should quit right here, as at this point he is doing nothing but wasting your time. The burden of proof is on the programs who claim to be able to fix kids, end of story. There is plenty of goddamn evidence to the contrary, so let the programs defend themselves if they can.
Round and round we go. This is fucking useless. Anne, you should quit right here, as at this point he is doing nothing but wasting your time. The burden of proof is on the programs who claim to be able to fix kids, end of story. There is plenty of goddamn evidence to the contrary, so let the programs defend themselves if they can.
The is some evidence via books written and short term studies. I have seen many schools collecting and publishing data on the effectiveness of their program. But there are no long term studies that I am aware of that support the claims either way.
So until such time these studies are done we just need to rely on the studies we have and the feedback from the parents and students.
So if someone claims the programs are ineffective or abusive then that needs to be backed up via a study of some sort. As far as studies and data go the evidence tilts overwhelmingly in favor of the programs being effective.
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Whatever, Who...'we' don't "have to" rely on shit, now do 'we'?
Get back to us when you have something conclusive.
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As far as studies and data go the evidence tilts overwhelmingly in favor of the programs being effective.
Proof asshole!!!!!!
Ok, ok. I'm really done. Days over, I'm outta here.
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Secondly, Fornits shouldn’t be hijacked by a small group from a traditionally abusive rtc. The YLF forum shouldn’t be on top. The rtcs and cults discussed inside already have their forums. I feel like some program parents don’t “need” this forum emotionally and have turned it into a place where insults about being gay and poor, and orders to identify yourself have replaced communication. They aren’t interested n communication but a bully-pulpit platform which has resulted in a corresponding decline of other voices.
ditto. and how's about that sea org forum. how did it rate so high up the list? who decided the placement of forums? if you want to be totally fair and democratic, list them by the date they were created or by number of posts.
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Yep, you're right. Since he likes analogies, I'll give him a last one and let it go.
What if........
Anne Boleyn: The drugs you produce are killing people left and right.
Pharms: What people? How many, how do you know it was the drug? What else were they taking?
Anne Boleyn: I read on a forum that some people died and they said it was due to the drugs.
Pharm: Isnt it possible it could be due to other factors, maybe not following amounts or combining them with other drugs?
Anne Boleyn: No its not, my friends on the forum said it was due to the drugs
Pharm: How many friends we talking about?
Anne Boleyn: 15 maybe
Pharm: You realize we distribute more than a million pills a day………Are your friends educated in the field or perfom any controlled studies.
Anne Boleyn: No they don’t have any degrees you fucking piece of crap. The drug should be removed from the shelf because I said so and for no other reason, you got that ?
Pharm: Sure, Anne, here take one of these and relax.
Anne Boleyn: Don’t tell me what to do, I fucking hate when people say that shit.
Pharm: Okay how about one of these, this is easier to swallow.
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We all got the same information on you except you flipped out, cried foul and wanted the person banned for giving the information out. I seems its okay to get background information on people as long as it isn’t yourself.
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We all? How many of you work as thewho?
Anyway, that's what I wanted you to post. Now, post the "information", or be revealed (once again) as a lying shill.
Post away, you "all" have the information. You have my permission.
I'm still waiting, who. ;D
If you admit that you lied and made it up, I won't respect you any less...LOL.
So come on, you're starting to look like a dodger.
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So come on, you're starting to look like a dodger.
Starting to??? Now I know you've been around longer than that, ZA... :D
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Yep, you're right. Since he likes analogies, I'll give him a last one and let it go.
What if........
Anne Boleyn: The drugs you produce are killing people left and right.
Pharms: What people? How many, how do you know it was the drug? What else were they taking?
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So come on, you're starting to look like a dodger.
Starting to??? Now I know you've been around longer than that, ZA... :D
Yeah, well...and you know I'd hate to lose all the respect I have for him 'cos he's a liar, don't you know.
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So come on, you're starting to look like a dodger.
Starting to??? Now I know you've been around longer than that, ZA... :D
Yeah, well...and you know I'd hate to lose all the respect I have for him 'cos he's a liar, don't you know.
Ah, trying to shame me into it Zen? How about the info you have on CCM first.. it was you who spoke first. Fes, up.
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You want proof, here you go:
Go away, please, or I'll post that chat where you suggested that I was worthless, had no life, and should go massacre a program ("kill them all" are the exact words you used, so don't try and claim you didn't mean to "take them out" (to dinner) like you did earlier today. As I've said, you made far too many mistakes. I don't normally log chats, but I do when I feel somebody is potentially mentally unstable enough to go off the deep end (like you did today). I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested). Tor nodes can't save you from chat transcripts. I don't want to do it, but if you don't stay the fuck off this site and stop impersonating survivors, I won't hesitate. I only have so much pity.
Toodles!
Psy keeps chat logs as he admits, why is it such a stretch for people to believe he keeps IP logs? The user he was threatening (me) is not this person Milk. He couldn't know, because I was using a proxy - the only sure way to ensure your anonymity now. Since Psy became admin, I had a hunch he could not be trusted with my IP information, and I was right. I suggest others do so as well if they are concerned with their anonymity in light of these threats from Psy. If he is willing to threaten a survivor this way, what will he do to pro-program parents or graduates?
Another example of Psy's threatening behavior:
Guest types the following into the shoutbox:
guest-6d53: kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage
guest-6d53: they should do what they need to do
guest-6d53: they should rise up and take the staff out of their way and leave
guest-6d53: take the staff out of their position of power using whatever means they deem necessary
Psy respond with the following:
psy: Look. If you're publicly promiting comitting violent acts, i'll have to check what my legal responsibilities are. I might have to report this to the appropriate authorities.
psy: oh... I'm just saying that I might have to take that IP address, poster 6d53, and give it to the authorities... I doubt they'd interpret "rise up and take them out" as anything other than what you stated it to be.
Psy then banned the person. They couldn't read the shoutbox from that point on. This was his explanation for why when someone else asked why he did that:
psy: er... I'll explain why I did it..
psy: mostly it was to make the person piss in his or her pants about what they were stupid enough to type without a proxy
psy: lol
psy: yeah... and they can't read this since I banned em from reading and posting... so he/she is probably biting nails, wondering if the cops are comign.. lol
psy: Oh.. i could have actually called the cops... lol
Hardy, Har, Har - so funny Psy. So fucking hilarious you threaten users with police!
Read complete transcript here: http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?topic=24903 (http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?topic=24903)
What Psy didn't know is I was using a proxy. His attempt to make me "piss my pants" did not work because I protected myself - glad I did so.
If he is going to alert authorities to such a vague "threat", then why does he post things like this:
Go fuck yourself Sue... I truly hope you die in a very, very painful manner. Cancer, preferably.
You can bash me for bringing this up again, but when someone threatens you with police action you might start taking sides in this debate. Psy is bad for this forum, bad for free speech and uses his admin power to intimidate, and then laugh at posters who are in fear that police are coming to get them.
I have just posted two examples of Psy threatening to turn over IP addresses of two different posters to police in the course of just one day. Laugh at me. Agree with him that my statements were somehow worse than the countless other "threats" you read on fornits. But when it happens to you - when an admin tells you they are turning your IP over to police who are coming to get you at any moment- don't say you weren't warned. I am not some crazy person. I was a regular fornits poster until I felt it no longer safe to post without being pressured or threatened by certain "activists" with access to user information and IP. I figured out how to use proxies and that's the only reason I am posting now.
Unless Psy's access to IP and poster information is completely blocked, this site is not to be trusted, in my opinion.
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For those who have a short attention span, these quotes really say it all:
I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested).
psy: oh... I'm just saying that I might have to take that IP address, poster 6d53, and give it to the authorities...
This should be enough for people to realize what type of person they are dealing with.
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Also, I forgot to mention!!!!!!! The altering of my posts, I really LOVED that!!!!!!
That happened when Che got admin privs and immediately abused them by deleting the ASR thread, Giving Niles admin privs (who, afaik, was the one to edit your posts) and generally raised all sorts of hell. He called this immature act of idiocy his "Jihad on Admins". He's been nothing but a loose cannon on this forum, IMO, posting that he is drunk, on drugs, screwing hookers, etc... At the same time he acts like he wants parents to take what he has to say seriously... Come on...
I'm not the first person to think that he does this on purpose but was unwilling to entertain the idea until he started going behind my back and lying about me. I then looked closer and caught him lying about others... I don't have to name names.. People are starting to figure this out on their own.
yeh, well he's got one admin to go, you. he wants no one to know what he does anon. let's take as an example, when he talks shit about regulars posting porn, glorifying himself as the only admin ever to delete porn, while all the time posting porn anonymously. he'd prefer no one be able to see his shady underside.
and always the same response. he won't dignify it with a response. put on the tin foil hat.
people should be figuring it out, but they may have to experience it first hand. just a matter of time. his MO is chaos, division, attack on those who won't follow him.
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You can bash me for bringing this up again, but when someone threatens you with police action you might start taking sides in this debate. Psy is bad for this forum, bad for free speech and uses his admin power to intimidate, and then laugh at posters who are in fear that police are coming to get them.
Unless Psy's access to IP and poster information is completely blocked, this site is not to be trusted, in my opinion.
if psy is bad for fornits, how can your comments about taking out staff be "good" for fornits? explanation please? were you expressing a passing fantacy? were you hoping some mentally distressed kid would read your words and act on them? what exactly did you intend when you said that? not many ways it can be taken. if in jest, a fantasy, great. why didn't you say so.
how did server-hopping due to legal threats help fornits or any of the people who had to take time to straighten that out benefit fornits? as intended by a few wiley sorts, fornits is dying, and will die if those who care don't open their damn eyes. what will be, will be.
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Zen, posting peoples personal information on the open forum. Dont you have any boundaries? Dont give me the crap that it was already public. If she wanted the information out there she would put it in her footer or make it public herself.
http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123)
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You can bash me for bringing this up again, but when someone threatens you with police action you might start taking sides in this debate. Psy is bad for this forum, bad for free speech and uses his admin power to intimidate, and then laugh at posters who are in fear that police are coming to get them.
Unless Psy's access to IP and poster information is completely blocked, this site is not to be trusted, in my opinion.
if psy is bad for fornits, how can your comments about taking out staff be "good" for fornits? explanation please? were you expressing a passing fantacy? were you hoping some mentally distressed kid would read your words and act on them? what exactly did you intend when you said that? not many ways it can be taken. if in jest, a fantasy, great. why didn't you say so.
how did server-hopping due to legal threats help fornits or any of the people who had to take time to straighten that out benefit fornits? as intended by a few wiley sorts, fornits is dying, and will die if those who care don't open their damn eyes. what will be, will be.
What post is "good for fornits?" Who will decide this? I am not an activist or part of any "click" or subgroup on fornits, I express my opinion freely in what I thought was a forum allowing freedom of speech.
Free speech means people can post their opinions, even if it offends others, as my comments have obviously offended you and Psy.
What did I intend? I intended to make a statement, that kids who have decided they want to leave can do so. There is an incident where the inmates hit the staff with a pan on the head and drove away. They got out. If these programs are as abusive as claimed, then this should be justified.
Is Psy wishing Sue Scheff dies a horrible death "good for fornits?" Server hopping is due to Sue Scheff, not anything I ever posted, and who started that war? Psy did, and he was not even referred to a program by her.
I stand by my statements.
"kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage
they should do what they need to do
they should rise up and take the staff out of their way and leave
take the staff out of their position of power using whatever means they deem necessary"
Nothing is illegal about what I said nor did I threaten anyone in any way.
If you think admins threatening posters they are going to forward their IP to police and getting a chuckle out of it, is "good for fornits" , then we have a serious disagreement about this particular issue. At the very least we agree fornits is dying.
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Zen, posting peoples personal information on the open forum. Dont you have any boundaries? Dont give me the crap that it was already public. If she wanted the information out there she would put it in her footer or make it public herself.
http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123)
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.
Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread. You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
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Zen, posting peoples personal information on the open forum. Dont you have any boundaries? Dont give me the crap that it was already public. If she wanted the information out there she would put it in her footer or make it public herself.
http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123)
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.
Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread. You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
I gave you what I have. If I have any personal information I would not post it here. I am not like you. :guesswho:
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Actually Zen the anon makes some valid points. It is creepy that people collect IPs. Wasn't aware psy did that, but it wouldn't surprise me.
I don't keep lists like that other Admin you referred to did. If you have a problem, take it up with ginger, please. People: There are only two admins on this forum. Me, and Ginger. Neither of us have ever... ever... released a single IP address to anybody. I take orders from her and follow them. I just work here. Stop blaming me for things that other admins might have done in the past. Even the admin you refer to who kept the list only did it for her own organizational purposes, and only in the forum where he/she was already a moderator (a moderated forum). Do you want to hurt Fornits, Che? Do you have an agenda? Is this personal? Take it up with Ginger and stop trying to scare the forum populace if you have a problem with me. Doing that just proves to me that you care more about your personal quibbles than the overall welfare of the forum.
Need I mention the time, before I became an admin, that You violated the forum's confidence, gave me TheWho's IP address, and told me to disseminate it (which I didn't). This was when he posted in the facilities questions forum. You are such a fucking hypocrite, Che. Maybe Angela is right about you. I keep wondering how Benchmark knew we were coming and why most of the kids were already gone when we got there. I don't trust you anymore, Che. You go around spreading lies about me and others. Is it personal, or professional, Che?
when are you yahoos going to realize, he's here for one reason. to kill this forum. plan is going well, just a little behind schedule. or maybe not. what was it che? 6 or 8 month projection?
don't you notice how he highjacks other people's projects. critiques everything, any effort, as if he were Lord Fornits. runs people off who aren't in step with his protest plan being the only method to shutdown the industry. how lame. protesting isn't going to do jack shit in the big picture. but it keeps his ego inflated while he sits on his fat ass on the other side of the world dictating what everyone else should do, while he does jack shit except get drunk and chase scanky legged whores.
I keep wondering where he gets the money to be perpetually on vacation.
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CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
Quoted for those who are unfamiliar with ZenAgent's tactics. He is willing to reveal CCM's full name and husband's name, just because he is mad at TheWho and perceives CCM as TheWho's ally. I removed the names he posted. CCM spent four years locked away in programs - almost her entire adolescence - she has earned her right to an opinion on this industry without threats. Here is yet another fornits moderator resorting to heavy handed tactics and threats to reform the discussion to their liking. Wonder why people feel unsafe posting here?
I just have one question. If TheWho was such a bad guy, why would he give two-shits if information about a program survivor is revealed?
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Who, you are a really terrible liar...it's quite obvious that it's you. :D
(I would've known this even without the three dots.)
Its eerie, I read it twice myself and maybe I do suffer from MPD, It does sound like me and maybe it is a cut and paste from one of my older posts, but that post isnt mine. I give permission to check the IP's on this thread and ID all my posts if you like.
OOH.. gladly, Whooter. and why don't you log the fuck in for a change, or better yet, GTFO.
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Also, I forgot to mention!!!!!!! The altering of my posts, I really LOVED that!!!!!!
That happened when Che got admin privs and immediately abused them by deleting the ASR thread, Giving Niles admin privs (who, afaik, was the one to edit your posts) and generally raised all sorts of hell. He called this immature act of idiocy his "Jihad on Admins". He's been nothing but a loose cannon on this forum, IMO, posting that he is drunk, on drugs, screwing hookers, etc... At the same time he acts like he wants parents to take what he has to say seriously... Come on...
I'm not the first person to think that he does this on purpose but was unwilling to entertain the idea until he started going behind my back and lying about me. I then looked closer and caught him lying about others... I don't have to name names.. People are starting to figure this out on their own.
yeh, well he's got one admin to go, you. he wants no one to know what he does anon. let's take as an example, when he talks shit about regulars posting porn, glorifying himself as the only admin ever to delete porn, while all the time posting porn anonymously. he'd prefer no one be able to see his shady underside.
and always the same response. he won't dignify it with a response. put on the tin foil hat.
people should be figuring it out, but they may have to experience it first hand. just a matter of time. his MO is chaos, division, attack on those who won't follow him.
Bingo. You hit the nail on the head, and you don't find any of this out until you oppose him on something.
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Zen, posting peoples personal information on the open forum. Dont you have any boundaries? Dont give me the crap that it was already public. If she wanted the information out there she would put it in her footer or make it public herself.
http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123)
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.
Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread. You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
I gave you what I have. If I have any personal information I would not post it here. I am not like you.
We all got the same information on you except you flipped out, cried foul and wanted the person banned for giving the information out. I seems its okay to get background information on people as long as it isn’t yourself.
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;D ;D You LIAR!
No, you're not like me, you post lies. Hey, who? By not logging in, you can't delete your posts, like the one where you asked for CCM's info. So log in, you can clean up after yourself that way. The mess you leave, honestly.
If I had your name and details, who...I'd post them.
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you're clearly deciding and trying to convince others psy is "bad" for fornits. i can't see how you expressing your violent fantasies is "good" for fornits, fwiw.
I am not an activist or part of any "click" or subgroup on fornits, I express my opinion freely in what I thought was a forum allowing freedom of speech.
um. maybe those who would promote violent acts that could land a kid in jail the rest of his life, should put that disclaimer in your signature line. good to clarify that you don't speak for fornits, as it were.
Free speech means people can post their opinions, even if it offends others, as my comments have obviously offended you and Psy.
your chicken shit comments don't offend me. i just think they are a waste of space and not in kids best interest, unless spending a lengthy time in jail would be better than completing their private incarceration.
you and che tag teaming to get rid of psy? that's what it looks like from here.
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CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
Quoted for those who are unfamiliar with ZenAgent's tactics. He is willing to reveal CCM's full name and husband's name, just because he is mad at TheWho and perceives CCM as TheWho's ally. I removed the names he posted. CCM spent four years locked away in programs - almost her entire adolescence - she has earned her right to an opinion on this industry without threats. Here is yet another fornits moderator resorting to heavy handed tactics and threats to reform the discussion to their liking. Wonder why people feel unsafe posting here?
I just have one question. If TheWho was such a bad guy, why would he give two-shits if information about a program survivor is revealed?
Because he asked for it:
Ah, trying to shame me into it Zen? How about the info you have on CCM first.. it was you who spoke first. Fes, up.
:guesswho:
Again, notice the blanks...I could have added last name, address, phone number, arrest record... I left all that blank, too. But someone wants to whitewash it. How KoolAid.
Once again: who asked for it, I gave it. Weasel!
Thanks for verifying I was right...I was only bluffing again.
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I just have one question. If TheWho was such a bad guy, why would he give two-shits if information about a program survivor is revealed?
Stupid question, Who... Next...
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you're clearly deciding and trying to convince others psy is "bad" for fornits. i can't see how you expressing your violent fantasies is "good" for fornits, fwiw.
I am not an activist or part of any "click" or subgroup on fornits, I express my opinion freely in what I thought was a forum allowing freedom of speech.
um. maybe those who would promote violent acts that could land a kid in jail the rest of his life, should put that disclaimer in your signature line. good to clarify that you don't speak for fornits, as it were.
Free speech means people can post their opinions, even if it offends others, as my comments have obviously offended you and Psy.
your chicken shit comments don't offend me. i just think they are a waste of space and not in kids best interest, unless spending a lengthy time in jail would be better than completing their private incarceration.
you and che tag teaming to get rid of psy? that's what it looks like from here.
I am not under the false impression - delusion really - that kids in lock down programs are reading fornits. How could they? Your assumption that I want a "weary" kid to ruin their life is simply not accurate. It's your opinion, and I am glad you have the ability to post it. Do you speak for fornits? Of course you don't, and neither do I, so I do not need to qualify my statements with such a disclaimer, it would be pointless.
You think my comments are a waste of space - that's your opinion - however, I think they are relevant to this industry. If a kid is being abused, then they should do what they need to do to leave. If they are being abused, they will not be put in jail for doing what they deem necessary to escape. Unless you and other posters are exaggerating the abuse that occurs, then defending one's self is absolutely justified.
Are you suggesting kids just take the abuse and do nothing? That's what it sounds like. If a kid is physically assaulted, raped, or abused - they should not attempt to escape using any means necessary? Should the kid take it up the ass while waiting for you, or psy, to show up for a one-day street side protest?
I do not communicate with che and have disagreements with him too. However, he has never threatened to hand my IP over to the authorities and then laughed about it.
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If I had your name and details, who...I'd post them.
I know you would, Zen. Its called ethical strength. I have it and you don’t. I wouldn’t post information about anyone on the open forum. It shows that you are weak and cannot defend yourself verbally or that you don’t have confidence in your position so you resort to flexing your muscles (lent to you by psy) and outing people who disagree with you.
It is often a test of courage used in business to see how people use their new found power and you failed.
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:guesswho:
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Again, notice the blanks...I could have added last name, address, phone number, arrest record... I left all that blank, too. But someone wants to whitewash it. How KoolAid.
Once again: who asked for it, I gave it. Weasel!
Thanks for verifying I was right...I was only bluffing again.
Arrest record? Did you pay to get a background check on CCM? Now THAT is the most creepy thing so far in this thread yet.
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you're clearly deciding and trying to convince others psy is "bad" for fornits. i can't see how you expressing your violent fantasies is "good" for fornits, fwiw.
I am not an activist or part of any "click" or subgroup on fornits, I express my opinion freely in what I thought was a forum allowing freedom of speech.
um. maybe those who would promote violent acts that could land a kid in jail the rest of his life, should put that disclaimer in your signature line. good to clarify that you don't speak for fornits, as it were.
Free speech means people can post their opinions, even if it offends others, as my comments have obviously offended you and Psy.
your chicken shit comments don't offend me. i just think they are a waste of space and not in kids best interest, unless spending a lengthy time in jail would be better than completing their private incarceration.
you and che tag teaming to get rid of psy? that's what it looks like from here.
I am not under the false impression - delusion really - that kids in lock down programs are reading fornits. How could they? Your assumption that I want a "weary" kid to ruin their life is simply not accurate. It's your opinion, and I am glad you have the ability to post it. Do you speak for fornits? Of course you don't, and neither do I, so I do not need to qualify my statements with such a disclaimer, it would be pointless.
You think my comments are a waste of space - that's your opinion - however, I think they are relevant to this industry. If a kid is being abused, then they should do what they need to do to leave. If they are being abused, they will not be put in jail for doing what they deem necessary to escape. Unless you and other posters are exaggerating the abuse that occurs, then defending one's self is absolutely justified.
I agree.
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If I had your name and details, who...I'd post them.
I know you would, Zen. Its called ethical strength. I have it and you don’t. I wouldn’t post information about anyone on the open forum. It shows that you are weak and cannot defend yourself verbally or that you don’t have confidence in your position so you resort to flexing your muscles (lent to you by psy) and outing people who disagree with you.
It is often a test of courage used in business to see how people use their new found power and you failed.
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I don't have admin status, paranoid delusional. What people share in PM's and emails OFF the forums is a mystery to you, because you're a weasel. Quit grasping at air for easy fixes.
Don't talk about what you have and what you don't...you don't even have a daughter who was in a program. Weasel!
Where's the info you promised? You have my permission...again...to post it all.
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you're clearly deciding and trying to convince others psy is "bad" for fornits. i can't see how you expressing your violent fantasies is "good" for fornits, fwiw.
I am not an activist or part of any "click" or subgroup on fornits, I express my opinion freely in what I thought was a forum allowing freedom of speech.
um. maybe those who would promote violent acts that could land a kid in jail the rest of his life, should put that disclaimer in your signature line. good to clarify that you don't speak for fornits, as it were.
Free speech means people can post their opinions, even if it offends others, as my comments have obviously offended you and Psy.
your chicken shit comments don't offend me. i just think they are a waste of space and not in kids best interest, unless spending a lengthy time in jail would be better than completing their private incarceration.
you and che tag teaming to get rid of psy? that's what it looks like from here.
Don't worry about those two. Ginger knows wtf is going on and it really isn't an issue. Trolls will be trolls. I don't really care. If people want to believe the bullshit... well.. it's their problem, but the full transcript of the incident in questiion is here (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=306519#p306519). Aaron... Aaron has gone off the deep end for the last time in my mind.
For those new to fornits: pretty much the only place that is moderated is the shoutbox (to keep TheWho / trolls from derailing the thing, since there is only one shoutbox). At the same time, that moderation presents complicated legal issues... To get to the point: please do not post death threats or promotions of violence on the shoutbox. Do that somewhere that isn't moderated by policy so it's your neck, not ours on the line (or better yet... don't do it at all).
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I just have one question. If TheWho was such a bad guy, why would he give two-shits if information about a program survivor is revealed?
So others don't feel safe. His deal is to highlight it to scare... Like Frod said.. stupid question.
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Again, notice the blanks...I could have added last name, address, phone number, arrest record... I left all that blank, too. But someone wants to whitewash it. How KoolAid.
Once again: who asked for it, I gave it. Weasel!
Thanks for verifying I was right...I was only bluffing again.
Arrest record? Did you pay to get a background check on CCM? Now THAT is the most creepy thing so far in this thread yet.
Ya don't read before you post?
"I was only bluffing again".
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It's really time for this thread to fuckin' die, wouldn't you all say?
Bury this rotting carcass of a thread, it's starting to stink. :D :D
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Oh man, I still get a huge belly laugh out of Zen's brilliant posts on Whitmore and the infamous Izzy and Sceff saga. This is a guy who uses FACTS and wit to make a point (or argue his case) thereby helping to change minds and opinions on issues that are critical to educating parents and others. Other regs like Frod who is known for his impatience with flamers and suffers NO FOOLS glady, Ursus, calm and rational, Anne, funny, tenacious and hard-hitting, Psy, sharp as a tack, supremely internet savvy, loyal friend, and many other posters I enjoy reading but don't have time to list, are all valuable members of the community of Fornits.
The errant bullies and posers can't compete on any level but alas, they certainly try, pitiful as it is.
Carry On and don't take any shit from the above. Feeding their super-size, gluttonous egos and pathological need for attention really is a waste of time.
Fornits is not sinking. Quite the opposite.
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you're clearly deciding and trying to convince others psy is "bad" for fornits. i can't see how you expressing your violent fantasies is "good" for fornits, fwiw.
I am not an activist or part of any "click" or subgroup on fornits, I express my opinion freely in what I thought was a forum allowing freedom of speech.
um. maybe those who would promote violent acts that could land a kid in jail the rest of his life, should put that disclaimer in your signature line. good to clarify that you don't speak for fornits, as it were.
Free speech means people can post their opinions, even if it offends others, as my comments have obviously offended you and Psy.
your chicken shit comments don't offend me. i just think they are a waste of space and not in kids best interest, unless spending a lengthy time in jail would be better than completing their private incarceration.
you and che tag teaming to get rid of psy? that's what it looks like from here.
Don't worry about those two. Ginger knows wtf is going on and it really isn't an issue. Trolls will be trolls. I don't really care. If people want to believe the bullshit... well.. it's their problem, but the full transcript of the incident in questiion is here (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=306519#p306519). Aaron... Aaron has gone off the deep end for the last time in my mind.
For those new to fornits: pretty much the only place that is moderated is the shoutbox (to keep TheWho / trolls from derailing the thing, since there is only one shoutbox). At the same time, that moderation presents complicated legal issues... To get to the point: please do not post death threats or promotions of violence on the shoutbox. Do that somewhere that isn't moderated by policy so it's your neck, not ours on the line (or better yet... don't do it at all).
I am glad Psy posted the link to the transcript, as I did earlier in this thread. Let people read for themselves what occurred, and decide if it was appropriate for Psy to threaten the authorities on me. Psy labels me a troll, because in his mind that gives him the right to threaten police action against me.
Psy threatens Sue Scheff and it's fine. I make a statement that kids should try to escape - not ever mentioning death or killing as Psy did - and suddenly I am a liability to this forum.
Don't let Psy fool you, his threats are not just limited to the shoutbox incident, this threat was made in the Open Free for All forum:
I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested).
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I do not communicate with che and have disagreements with him too. However, he has never threatened to hand my IP over to the authorities and then laughed about it.
Proud of this?
[Today at 03:13:33 PM] guest-6d53: i heard a stotry from a program staff once
[Today at 03:14:20 PM] guest-6d53: and i thought it was a lie
[Today at 03:14:37 PM] guest-6d53: becase staffs lie a lot
[Today at 03:15:07 PM] guest-6d53: i told him so and he was like ohhhh and i was like shut up staff and that was it
[Today at 03:15:19 PM] guest-6d53: stupid staff
[Today at 03:18:36 PM] guest-6d53: the kids should rise up and take the staff out
Or this:
[Today at 03:36:56 PM] guest-6d53: why are you so paranoid?
[Today at 03:37:40 PM] psy: not paranoid at all. I just get a lot of crank phone calls, emails, and so on... there are also a lot of trolls on fornits and people who subtly push alternate agendas than what are outwardly explicitly stated.
[Today at 03:38:03 PM] guest-6d53: seriously man you need to work on that or get help
[Today at 03:38:15 PM] psy: if you're really a survivor, and do believe that, I would advise against it. Information is far more effective a weapon against cults than a gun
[Today at 03:38:17 PM] guest-6d53: if you were staff id take you out and steal your car
[Today at 03:38:25 PM] psy: I'm not the one suggesting that we go out and kill people... who needs help..
[Today at 03:38:37 PM] psy: right...
[Today at 03:38:59 PM] guest-6d53: who is talking about killing people
[Today at 03:39:00 PM] guest-ae77: LOL!
[Today at 03:39:41 PM] psy: what? you're saying you should rise up and take the staff out to ... dinner maybe?
[Today at 03:40:03 PM] guest-ae77: You both are confusing me now!
[Today at 03:40:24 PM] guest-6d53: they should rise up and take the staff out of their way and leave
[Today at 03:40:26 PM] guest-6d53: take the staff out of their position of power using whatever means they deem necessary
[Today at 03:40:44 PM] psy: Look. If you're publicly promiting comitting violent acts, i'll have to check what my legal responsibilities are. I might have to report this to the appropriate authorities.
It was a warning you dumbfuck, and you didn't stop, so I banned you (but just from the shoutbox). Name any other place on the internet you could post shit like that and not get banned (including 4chan)? If a place is moderated, the moderators have certain legal responsibilies. Sorry for offending you delicate sensibilities... pussy.
Now that i've cleared this up, if you post again, i'll just respond with a link to this post.
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Guest who keeps harping on Mike - enough already! Smoke the peace pipe or go for a walk. This will all sort it's self out in time. It's just another day in cyberspace. Chill thyself.
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What people share in PM's and emails OFF the forums is a mystery to you, because you're a weasel.
And it should be a mystery to everyone except the person receiving it. If someone shares information with you thru a PM or emails, Zen, then they do that for a reason. It is not intended to be reposted on the open forum. If people wanted the information to be posted openly they would do it themselves instead of delivering it to you via email and Private Messages. It amazes me that you don’t understand this boundary or that it is so fuzzy for you.
Many of us understand that, Zen, but it seems to escape you for some reason. It is wrong and if you have to ask why then the answer lies in your set of ethics that you have embraced (or not embrace).
I am sorry if it seems harsh but I don’t think you should be given the powers of a moderator in light of the side of you that you shared with us today. There should be a certain, implied, responsibility that goes along with the title.
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:guesswho:
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What people share in PM's and emails OFF the forums is a mystery to you, because you're a weasel.
Bla bla blabber bla bla. Blabber blabber bla. Blabber bla-di bla blabber bla blab! Blab blab blab blab...
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Please log in so I don't have to read your shit. This is a kind request.
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I do not communicate with che and have disagreements with him too. However, he has never threatened to hand my IP over to the authorities and then laughed about it.
Proud of this?
[Today at 03:13:33 PM] guest-6d53: i heard a stotry from a program staff once
[Today at 03:14:20 PM] guest-6d53: and i thought it was a lie
[Today at 03:14:37 PM] guest-6d53: becase staffs lie a lot
[Today at 03:15:07 PM] guest-6d53: i told him so and he was like ohhhh and i was like shut up staff and that was it
[Today at 03:15:19 PM] guest-6d53: stupid staff
[Today at 03:18:36 PM] guest-6d53: the kids should rise up and take the staff out
Or this:
[Today at 03:36:56 PM] guest-6d53: why are you so paranoid?
[Today at 03:37:40 PM] psy: not paranoid at all. I just get a lot of crank phone calls, emails, and so on... there are also a lot of trolls on fornits and people who subtly push alternate agendas than what are outwardly explicitly stated.
[Today at 03:38:03 PM] guest-6d53: seriously man you need to work on that or get help
[Today at 03:38:15 PM] psy: if you're really a survivor, and do believe that, I would advise against it. Information is far more effective a weapon against cults than a gun
[Today at 03:38:17 PM] guest-6d53: if you were staff id take you out and steal your car
[Today at 03:38:25 PM] psy: I'm not the one suggesting that we go out and kill people... who needs help..
[Today at 03:38:37 PM] psy: right...
[Today at 03:38:59 PM] guest-6d53: who is talking about killing people
[Today at 03:39:00 PM] guest-ae77: LOL!
[Today at 03:39:41 PM] psy: what? you're saying you should rise up and take the staff out to ... dinner maybe?
[Today at 03:40:03 PM] guest-ae77: You both are confusing me now!
[Today at 03:40:24 PM] guest-6d53: they should rise up and take the staff out of their way and leave
[Today at 03:40:26 PM] guest-6d53: take the staff out of their position of power using whatever means they deem necessary
[Today at 03:40:44 PM] psy: Look. If you're publicly promiting comitting violent acts, i'll have to check what my legal responsibilities are. I might have to report this to the appropriate authorities.
It was a warning you dumbfuck, and you didn't stop, so I banned you (but just from the shoutbox). Name any other place on the internet you could post shit like that and not get banned (including 4chan)? If a place is moderated, the moderators have certain legal responsibilies. Sorry for offending you delicate sensibilities... pussy.
Now that i've cleared this up, if you post again, i'll just respond with a link to this post.
Pussy? What are you 12 years old Psy? You are really showing your immaturity with your name-calling.
Nothing you just posted explains why you decided to threaten me by calling the cops and then laughing about it.
You responded with this:
psy: oh... I'm just saying that I might have to take that IP address, poster 6d53, and give it to the authorities... I doubt they'd interpret "rise up and take them out" as anything other than what you stated it to be.
psy: er... I'll explain why I did it..
psy: mostly it was to make the person piss in his or her pants about what they were stupid enough to type without a proxy
psy: lol
psy: yeah... and they can't read this since I banned em from reading and posting... so he/she is probably biting nails, wondering if the cops are comign.. lol
psy: Oh.. i could have actually called the cops... lol
Name one place you can post stuff like that? Fornits.com, the place where you tell Sue Scheff she should die a painful death, the one site related to this industry that allows freedom of speech. At least it used to, until you took over.
What was the point of your copy/paste, it does not take away from the fact you threatened two posters that day with police action, don't you remember? I can quote you again if you want.
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What people share in PM's and emails OFF the forums is a mystery to you, because you're a weasel.
And it should be a mystery to everyone except the person receiving it. If someone shares information with you thru a PM or emails, Zen, then they do that for a reason. It is not intended to be reposted on the open forum. If people wanted the information to be posted openly they would do it themselves instead of delivering it to you via email and Private Messages. It amazes me that you don’t understand this boundary or that it is so fuzzy for you.
Many of us understand that, Zen, but it seems to escape you for some reason. It is wrong and if you have to ask why then the answer lies in your set of ethics that you have embraced (or not embrace).
I am sorry if it seems harsh but I don’t think you should be given the powers of a moderator in light of the side of you that you shared with us today. There should be a certain, implied, responsibility that goes along with the title.
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Please disregard my messages. I suck cocks.
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I gotta admit, some members make better posters than mods. Mods do have a certain responsibility not to violate the trust of the admin. or community members. Not sure what the answer is but don't think the problem is lack of ethics. More like lack of self-control with idiots and top shelf fucktards who push their buttons. 8)
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Seems logic finally caught up to you, Zen. You have been exposed as you should have been by "OH Weht". You lack ethics, as he/she has mentioned. No one should have to worry if their private information is going to be posted openly on the forum. This should be a rule of some sort before anyone becomes a moderator. and another thing, Why do you continue to be an ass to CCM?
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Ladies and gentlemen I'm sorry to say but I think I've lost all confidence and faith in the future of fornits. The ship is officially going down.
Good luck and godspeed.
do the ladies and gentlemen of fornits give a fuck what you think? i guess you think they do. you got some kind of inflated ego there buddy.
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I would like to add - shut up, Miranda. You're a troll, everyone knows it. If you're going to act like an asshole, people have a right to address your bullshit. But you hide.
Psy, can the ignore feature be set to block the IP of the person being ignored, so I don't have to read her shit when she "slips under the radar"?
Does CCM really stand for "Crack Craving Miranda"?
We were all just told that Zens moderating privileges were limited to the YLF forum. So how can he come over to the TTI forum and start outing people based on their IP addresses . Zen, you just outed a survivor on an open forum because they disagree with you. Why are you so pissed about people posting as a "guest" when you can read everyones IP#?
Why is it not okay to post as a “guest”? This is not something that is unique to internet forums or fornits. Talk radio has had anonymous callers for decades. People call in and say “This is Mike from Pittsburgh….” They may or may not give their real name and the show host could check the id of the caller easily if they wanted and out them over the air, but they don’t, because first it isn’t right and secondly people would stop calling in. Successful open forums (and talk radio) are built upon anonymity.
People say bad stuff about me all the time, but I don’t ask for or expect to get their IP addresses. Of all the people having keys to fornits, you should be the last one because of your track record here and in other forums.
I think you know who this is just check my IP#.
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Yeah...she's a survivor, alright. Against WWASP, but pro-program, just like Sue Scheff. Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who. I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
How did I "out" somebody? If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game. Dude. By the way, I can't see anyone's IP. There's a good reason for that, because I would abuse that privilege to "out" you. Just being honest.
Once again, the ignore feature is useless as long as the ignored slip by as anons. Block their IP's so they're truly ignored. Thewho and CCM are so desperate to be noticed, they'll do anything to get attention. That's truly pathetic, trollish activity.
I am so desperate to be noticed that in the last 6 months I have posted maybe a total of 10 times? I love the fact you have access to my PM's too, and are threatening to post them. The things is, I could give 2 shits less, so be my guest. I haven't used that feature in 4 months, and before that rarely. Just do me a favor, and don't alter all my PM's. Because we all now people were altering my posts. Doesn't give you a lot of credibility. BTW, you have some nerve comparing me to Sue Scheff. BTW, The Who, and I exchanged a few P.M.'s about all the crap I was receiving because I didn't agree with the majority here that all programs were bad. But that was over 4 months ago, and very briefly. It's not like we are buddy buddy! Come on re-read my PM's Zen. They are still sitting there, I don't bother to erase those things, because I have nothing to hide. But, keep in mind if you do decide to be a prick, and post them. It just reflects badly on fornits for allowing you to have access to such private information.
Also, it wasn't just 1 WWASP program I went through. I went through a total of 4 different programs. If you don't consider me a survivor having to endure being away from my family for 4 1/2 years going through everything I did, then what is your definition of being a "program survivor"? I'd be real curious to hear that one! Also, you obtained my name from fornits when I signed up. Either that or when I listed myself on classmates.com trying to find some of my long lost friends that met the same unfortunate fate that I did, to catch up on old times. I didn't sign up to have some fucking loser like yourself that likes to talk the talk, then can't walk the walk, then threaten to spread my name all over this board. How truly pathetic you are. Get a life buddy!
BTW, having my name listed, and having my picture put up on here (thanks to Niles, oh well someone posted yours too), at first it kinda pissed me off, I'll be honest, I wasn't real comfortable having that information just hanging out here. But, I figure if there hasn't been anyone murdered by an angry fornits poster yet, and I am talking about all Ed-Con's to Program Owners to random prickish staff that taunted some of us, and made our lives a living hell, then the chances of someone coming after me, are slim, to none.
If someone does decide to, then hey, when it's your time, it's your time! But, don't think for one second I am not aware of my surroundings. I also have a few family members that are in law enforcement, also some detectives that are undercover in the narcotics division, and it really is not a big deal to have my phones tapped, calls traced, or whatever it takes to find out who you are, and press charges. So, if you like stuff like that on your record, enjoy spending time in court, or love being behind bars, then go for it. I just pick up the phone and make one call, and that starts the ball in motion. So, please make sure this is really what you want to do. If you decide to show up at my house, first of all you would have to make it through security. If you did that, then my dogs would alert me, which then I would proceed to grab my husbands gun, and then I would have to blow your brains out all over my pretty house. Sorry, I am not nice like some people who might aim for a leg to disable you. I aim with the intent to kill.
I really like the majority of the people on here even though we have are disagreements. There are just a few of you that no matter what I say, or do, I will always be on their shit list! Oh well, that's the way it goes.
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Zen, you should have stuck with the PV forum.
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Zen, you should have stuck with the PV forum.
:guesswho:
Please disregard this message. I suck cocks.
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Zen, you should have stuck with the PV forum.
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:D Does he realize he's tagged like an endangered Longhorn sheep?
Don't feel bad, who. Ya fucked up and asked for something and got more than you expected. Ethics? I won't hear any talk of "ethics" from you, old son. You should have stuck with the ASR forum.
WEASEL!
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Seems logic finally caught up to you, Zen. You have been exposed as you should have been by "OH Weht". You lack ethics, as he/she has mentioned. No one should have to worry if their private information is going to be posted openly on the forum. This should be a rule of some sort before anyone becomes a moderator. and another thing, Why do you continue to be an ass to CCM?
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Talking to yourself again, Whooter. And thank you for giving me permission (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=309687#p309687) to out you on this thread. Now will you please just log in so I don't have to read any more of your shit. I'm asking nicely.
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Look, CCM is a suvivor who was essentially raised by programs instead of parents who were willing to provide the kind of guidance, love and support all kids need and deserve. Her opinion of programs that may have helped her has more to do with her emotional and psychological DEPENDENCY on the program as her surrogate parent/family than anything else. Certainly she is not a trained child psychologist or behavioral healthcare specialist. She is not qualified to assess the safety and/or efficacy of any program, good bad or ugly. Give the lady a break. She clearly hasn't figured out her emotional dependency on the program was not healthy or helpful. It was a necessity. She was filling a huge void in her life and her heart. Research shows only kids who are a danger to themselves or others need to be placed in a secure (locked) RTC and even then, the average stay on a locked ward is 90 days to stablize the teen, not 4 fucking years, or however long the parents can keep sending money.
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I ignored psy's request to log in so he got his panties in a tizzy. I said you could tag my posts if you liked, psy but....tsk,tsk. I didnt say you could add one and sign my name to it.
You and Zen must have taken the same ethics class.
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Again, notice the blanks...I could have added last name, address, phone number, arrest record... I left all that blank, too. But someone wants to whitewash it. How KoolAid.
Once again: who asked for it, I gave it. Weasel!
Thanks for verifying I was right...I was only bluffing again.
Arrest record? Did you pay to get a background check on CCM? Now THAT is the most creepy thing so far in this thread yet.
I agree!
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Now will you please just log in so I don't have to read any more of your shit. I'm asking nicely.
I was going to but then you had to go and be dishonest. Shame on you.
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I ignored psy's request to log in so he got his panties in a tizzy. I said you could tag my posts if you liked, psy but....tsk,tsk. I didnt say you could add one and sign my name to it.
You and Zen must have taken the same ethics class.
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Please disregard this message. I really do suck cocks, btw.
:guesswho:
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I didnt say you could add one and sign my name to it.
Your name? How many do you have? Besides. I can enter anything I like in the guest name box, and edit my own guest posts if I like. Log in, please, unless your intent is purely to annoy those who wish to ignore you. In which case you're only showing what every regular here already knows: your agenda is disruption, misinformation, provocation, and advertising.
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Ok, everybody, take a breath. Relax and enjoy so that interested readers can catch up with the convo.
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O.K. my computer won’t let me post on the other thread, for some reason, so I'll finish it up here
I’m an ex- regular who comes no longer. The repelling force isn’t Mike, but a few fire whirls, including the loss of safety in posting here. Currently, one fears moderators will misuse their clout to compromise a vexing poster’s anonymity, or give information about their identities to programs or authorities.
A poster accused Zenagent of sexual abuse, being an alcoholic, and failure, upsetting him. He demanded the poster’s IP. It wasn’t revealed, but it’s repulsive that an accused abuser, who demanded the ID of their complainant- as if they had the right to that info- is now a moderator. Moderating powers should not be given to people who do not recognize ethical boundaries concerning privacy. Only people who don’t use their powers to obtain IPs as a method of handling detractors triggering personal insecurities, should be moderators. Zen’s powers should be strictly limited, or removed.
Mike having an ip collection is creepy, as is che “abusing his powers to check on ips.” This issue should be addressed. Moderators should have no more right to check ips for personal aims than regular posters
There needs to be mechanical limitations on moderator powers and these should publicly posted.
Secondly, Fornits shouldn’t be hijacked by a small group from a traditionally abusive rtc. The YLF forum shouldn’t be on top. The rtcs and cults discussed inside already have their forums. I feel like some program parents don’t “need” this forum emotionally and have turned it into a place where insults about being gay and poor, and orders to identify yourself have replaced communication. They aren’t interested n communication but a bully-pulpit platform which has resulted in a corresponding decline of other voices
Finally, fornits should be fully anon again. Stop forcing “name” declarations when logging in as guest. “Tortured kids,” “cafety,” and mike’s forum are dead because of the “signing in” policy. The emotions provoked by discussion of therapeutic cult abuse are too painful to expect people to log in. This I.D.ing policy drives survivors away.
Who decides how the forum is run, anyway?
Whoever that is should consider these issues. I surmised that people would stop posting when invasive I.D.ing and unreliable moderators became worries, and this prediction has proved accurate.
With that said, there is no pleasing everyone. Individually, I’d like to feel relatively comfortable that my right to privacy is respected, even if I piss off individual moderators, and that all survivors aims are considered.
And before we EVEN go there, I’m not a troll, or involved in any of the personal disputes referenced.
The above’s my post, my only on this thread, and I was a regular. Remember the kid describing their insomnia & nightmares, and Aaron responding that he has a hooker under the bed, and that’s why he can’t sleep?--that was me (the insomniac, not hooker.)
I just returned to this thread and am shocked by how quickly –and swinishly- it moved. No one should presume another's identities and use that as an excuse to hurt a survivor.
Firstly, I don’t know what lists Psy has. I go by the info I read here.
In defense of Psy, it seems to me he is very transparent and makes an effort to explain himself and his actions without much prompting from the peanut gallery which I think most people respect him for.
I agree. The banning and threatening was over the line- but people make mistakes. This issue should be remedied (the banned guy- reinstated) and moved beyond
Secondly, Zen demanded a posters’ IP in the web subfoum. An accused abuser, or anyone, who demands a poster’s IP just because they are personally embarrassed shouldn’t have powers Am I to understand he gave out CCM girl’s personal info also? That’s VERY, VERY slimy, and, from what I see… part of a dishonorable pattern of behavior. What if CCM girl wants to take her abusers to court? What personal info would he make available to program forces because of personal embarrassment or animosity? How would he misuse his power with someone else?. His authority should be removed or limited.
Thirdly, you have to give a name when you log in as a guest, even if you just write guest. Therefore, it isn’t really anon, and an impediment to posting.
Fourthly, the yfl forum shouldn’t be on top
Most importantly, it’s a revelation to me that moderating powers are so circumscribed. Knowing they are is comforting.
There should be a sticky explaining what moderators and administrators have the power to do, and not do.
So, there you have it. Ta-Da. Please review some of these suggestions, as some might be useful.
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Most importantly, it’s a revelation to me that moderating powers are so circumscribed. Knowing they are is comforting.
There should be a sticky explaining what moderators and administrators have the power to do, and not do.
This has always been a big point with me. There should be some expectations as users (customers) on how our posts will be handled and/or what the rules are.
1. Private Messages carry an implied security that the posts will not end up on the open forum. This has been proven not to be true over and over again and was violated again today when a survivors personal information was reposted on the open forum by a fornits moderator because she didn’t agree with him.
2. If you have a user name and cannot log in is it okay to post as a guest? Apparently not. I have been harassed all day because of this. I indicated that the moderator (psy) could tag my posts if he liked, but I was asked to leave the forum if I wasn’t logged in.
3. One of the admins became frustrated with me at one point and started fabricating posts and tagging them as my own.
4. Another moderator became so angry that he threatened to expose me if he could get my IP address because I would release personal information on the forum.
This information can be confirmed by reading the thread:
“Bury this rotten carcass, it is starting to stink” (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=25362.msg309448#msg309448)
I think there should be a set of rules for admins to follow and what we can expect as users of the fornits forum. There are many that do not want to post because they are not sure if they can speak openly and/or afraid to rock the boat with their opinions with fear their personal information will be exposed here.
Maybe a list of rules or assurances as we enter the individual forums would help, i.e. what are the admins and mods allowed or not allowed to do.... what personal information to they have access to.... can all admins and mods read the personal messages?...... Can they review these messages and make this information public if they like.
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Admins-- why not just delete this thread (and maybe unlock the other one now), it's just more of the same shit.
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Secondly, Zen demanded a posters’ IP in the web subfoum. An accused abuser, or anyone, who demands a poster’s IP just because they are personally embarrassed shouldn’t have powers Am I to understand he gave out CCM girl’s personal info also? That’s VERY, VERY slimy, and, from what I see… part of a dishonorable pattern of behavior. What if CCM girl wants to take her abusers to court? What personal info would he make available to program forces because of personal embarrassment or animosity? How would he misuse his power with someone else?. His authority should be removed or limited.
Accusing a complete stranger of being an abuser isn't VERY, VERY slimy? You don't understand, either. I posted a first name and blanks...Now, we'll pull down the curtain:
She posted her name on another site.
And her pictures.
No magic, just an address search in CA.
Careful what you post on the internet.
And for the last time, (you must be the who) I don't have admin status. I see one IP - MINE. I don't have anything to TAKE AWAY.
Do you have a clue now?
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Admins-- why not just delete this thread (and maybe unlock the other one now), it's just more of the same shit.
Keeping it locked is a good idea, in my opinion, its a good read on how moderators and Admins react to different adversities and how they abuse their power openly here on fornits by exposing people. The original purpose of having moderators was to facilitate the discussion and help people, invite new readers and posters instead of threats and chasing people away.
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Admins-- why not just delete this thread (and maybe unlock the other one now), it's just more of the same shit.
Keeping it locked is a good idea, in my opinion, its a good read on how moderators and Admins react to different adversities and how they abuse their power openly here on fornits by exposing people. The original purpose of having moderators was to facilitate the discussion and help people, invite new readers and posters instead of threats and chasing people away.
Thewho again. Log in. I hope they tag you again. I'm sure you do want the other one locked, you dicked up, old son.
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Now you can rave away as anyone you want to. I refuse to read anymore "carcass" threads. Have fun. It's satisfying to see you get so worried about being "exposed". As I recall, there was a price on your identity at one time. Shill... Tool...WEASEL!
Balls to you and CCM both, logged in or as anons. Bottom-feeders...Program profiteers.
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She posted her name on another site.
And her pictures.
No magic, just an address search in CA.
Careful what you post on the internet.
And for the last time, (you must be the who) I don't have admin status. I see one IP - MINE. I don't have anything to TAKE AWAY.
Do you have a clue now?
No, that wasn’t me (again), Zen. But I would like to respond.
You feel it is okay to expose CCM’s identity because you found her name on another site. Well, first of all it is a little weird that you were out looking for it in the first place and secondly you are a moderator here on fornits and you should be trying to protect peoples information not trying to expose them.
If the waitress in a restaurant gave your credit card information to the busboy, you would not accept the response “Well you gave me the credit card free and clear, I just gave it to the busboy for a minute or two”?… there is an implied trust that occurs when you hand your credit card over and the same applies here on fornits. The same applies when we write private messages, we assume they are private. If they are not we should be told that.
Now you can rave away as anyone you want to. I refuse to read anymore "carcass" threads. Have fun. It's satisfying to see you get so worried about being "exposed". As I recall, there was a price on your identity at one time. Shill... Tool...WEASEL!
You should run, Zen, you should hand in your mod hat and go back to posting your propaganda against PV. That is the only reason you are here, admit it. You could care less about anyone else. It is evident in your handling of survivors outside your interest.
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Ok, let me clear a few things up here. First, don't believe everything you read. Just because a couple of fellow vets are losing their tempers and good graces and accusing one another of shit doesn't mean it's actually happening.
Second, I really should update the terms of use. God! I could probably spend days on end doing things that need doing around here. Instead I'll chip away at it, delegating as much as possible to others and learning on the fly how to do that right. Wish me luck, please.
Third, moderators run their own fora their own way. I strongly recommend to them that they go as easy as possible on editing or banning or rule making and what have you because I know from experience and observation how that damages the conversation. Know how Frod got the Let It Bleed forum? He bitched about the way I was running things. I said ok, show me how it's done. He has. It's not just exactly like the rest of the fora in purpose or personality. It's something different that I could never have done quite like that. But I've been wrong about a great many things in this life and so I don't make any hard rule about it. If you don't trust the moderator w/ whatever back end info they may get then don't post to that forum. Simple.
Fourth, same goes for private messages. Just as with snail mail, the privacy of your pms is only as good as the integrity of the recipient.
Fifth, and this is most important, I think. Please try to respect one another. Don't waste a lot of time and energy worry about how some joker is going to fool other, less perceptive people. That's just so damned conceited!
Sixth, Fornits will never be the same, that's very, very true. But then it hasn't been the same since it started. Started out just a couple of us bitching and farting and trying to get some attention like Horton's li'll ol'e Who down in Whoville. We all knew each other in real life and pretty much agreed with one another about the program. For the most part, that is. Very soon the Mysterious D came along defending Straight. Quick as anything, he set up his alumni group on yahoo to gather together all the thousands of proud Straightlings and revive the 7th Step Society. I joined it and promoted it, which I think confused the hell out of him for awhile, but I'm pretty sure we're friends now. At least we're not on bad terms that I know of. I should drop him a line....
Anyway, Don did things his way and things went differently over there than they have here. Lot of good mojo has come out of the alumni group (which pretty quickly became devoid of anybody who would self identify as program Alum once old friends started talking and comparing notes) Same with ISAC. Kathy Moya is one of the people I respect most, would never do things the way I do. She's far too polite and concerned with people's feelings to let this sort of shit go. I'm glad she's doing what she's doing. It needs to be done and I'm not capable of it.
Things will never be quite the same as when this was just my hobby that I liked to share with my friends. But it'll still be damned good in some old ways and a whole lot better in some others.
Yes, the forums need to be rearranged. In fact, since we can do sub forums, I may categorize them that way. Or if I find there's very little traffic on some which are related to others, maybe I should combine them.
We'll see. I have to look around a whole lot more before I can even make an assessment. One thing that hasn't changed, I will listen with interest to just about any suggestion then take my own council and do what I think best.
Wow, this shit does attachments? Leme see how that works
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WHO, GO AWAY. You are full of shit and blow your stink in my direction. Honestly, jihad this Joe Goebbels.
(you must be the who)
I’ve said who I am. First, you broadcast I’m CCM girl, and now the who. Ipso facto, you’ve no capability of knowing my identity so do not make presumptuous decrees. It’s unethical.
She posted her name on another site.
And her pictures.
No magic, just an address search in CA.
Careful what you post on the internet.
I distrust your account of how u got her personal info, as you claim, pathetically enough, to “bluff” in order “to get satisfaction.” Perhaps you are lying to “satisfy” yourself now.
But even if one accepts your story, your dead-agenting of ccm girl is dishonorable, and raises concerns
How’d you know that it was “her” on “another site?” There’s tons of names and photos on the web. How’d you know where to look, and who she was?
Secondly, posting some survivor girl’s and her family’s personal details on this forum, however ascertained, as a means of sadistic “satisfaction” is pathological.
That goes way too far. Why would you go after her family, as well -innocent bystanders? They have done nothing to you. What’s next, her kids? Mom? Gonna run over her dog?
I don't have admin status. I see one IP - MINE. I don't have anything to TAKE AWAY.
Do you have a clue now?
I don’t know what IP’s you have access to, and don't believe your info cause you like to "bluff." Can Mike or Aaron weigh in on this, please? Do moderators have any access to any IPs, at all? I don’t think this lady should have.
Now you can rave away as anyone you want to. I refuse to read anymore "carcass" threads. Have fun. It's satisfying to see you get so worried about being "exposed". As I recall, there was a price on your identity at one time. Shill... Tool...WEASEL!
Balls to you and CCM both, logged in or as anons. Bottom-feeders...Program profiteers.
You state I’m a “shill” and “weasel” because I don’t want to be “exposed,” yet, as you post in anonymity are as much of a “shill” and “weasel” as I.
And because you posted a survivor girl’s personal info- her address, name, and names of her family- cruelly invading her, and her family’s privacy- just to degrade her, you paint an illustration of why people wish to keep things completely anon. And in particular, why YOU should not have ANY access to ips.
I'm NOT ccm or who but, HELL yes, I’m afraid of being “exposed.” It’s my dream to put those who murdered me in prison. And some limp-lifed mod getting annoyed with me, and divulging sensitive material to my abusers for a “satisfaction” he doesn’t get in real-time-land is something I’d like to avoid.
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A few points:
- Moderators only have access to IP info on forums they moderate.
- Nobody is banned from the shoutbox or forum currently except spammers
- Zen demanded ip information, yes, but he didn't get it.
- TheWho should log in and check his PMs.
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Most importantly, it’s a revelation to me that moderating powers are so circumscribed. Knowing they are is comforting.
There should be a sticky explaining what moderators and administrators have the power to do, and not do.
This has always been a big point with me. There should be some expectations as users (customers) on how our posts will be handled and/or what the rules are.
1. Private Messages carry an implied security that the posts will not end up on the open forum. This has been proven not to be true over and over again and was violated again today when a survivors personal information was reposted on the open forum by a fornits moderator because she didn’t agree with him.
2. If you have a user name and cannot log in is it okay to post as a guest? Apparently not. I have been harassed all day because of this. I indicated that the moderator (psy) could tag my posts if he liked, but I was asked to leave the forum if I wasn’t logged in.
3. One of the admins became frustrated with me at one point and started fabricating posts and tagging them as my own.
4. Another moderator became so angry that he threatened to expose me if he could get my IP address because I would release personal information on the forum.
This information can be confirmed by reading the thread:
“Bury this rotten carcass, it is starting to stink” (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=25362.msg309448#msg309448)
I think there should be a set of rules for admins to follow and what we can expect as users of the fornits forum. There are many that do not want to post because they are not sure if they can speak openly and/or afraid to rock the boat with their opinions with fear their personal information will be exposed here.
Maybe a list of rules or assurances as we enter the individual forums would help, i.e. what are the admins and mods allowed or not allowed to do.... what personal information to they have access to.... can all admins and mods read the personal messages?...... Can they review these messages and make this information public if they like.
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Please disregard my messages. I suck cocks (and am proud of it). I should log in too... Or better yet, check my PMs and follow my "scouts honor" agreement.
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I keep wondering where [Aaron] gets the money to be perpetually on vacation.
There's a lot of useful information in all our computers that could help a chronically unemployed hacker support his scubadiving junkets and hotel lifestyle. Credit card fraud and blackmail spring to mind.
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A few points:
- Moderators only have access to IP info on forums they moderate.
Admins have access to IP info, but not moderators anymore, even on the forums that they moderate...
(At least that's how it is right now on Let It Bleed.)
- Zen demanded ip information, yes, but he didn't get it.
The guest raised such a stink over Zen's demand, with no regard to whether or not Zen actually got that info or not.
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IM NOT GOING ANYWHERE,keep bickering,he said,she said,damn sounds like the last family reunion I went to.
as I see it the main reasons for the forum should be twofold.
1 to make some attempt to stifle programs that usurp civil liberties,and abuse children.
2 let survivors try to get past the shit that they have suffered at the hands of said programs.It sucks to be alone in this
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as I see it the main reasons for the forum should be twofold.
1 to make some attempt to stifle programs that usurp civil liberties,and abuse children.
2 let survivors try to get past the shit that they have suffered at the hands of said programs.It sucks to be alone in this
Amen to Seamus. Let's try to keep the primary focus where it belongs (read 1, 2).
And geez, maybe try to keep your sense of humor about it all, too, if ya can... :D
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Well said seamus.
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Well, it appears the reason I have not been able to log-in (The last day or so) was that I was in the process of being Banned. Got this message this morning. So I am using someone elses computer.
.....you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
Commercial Spamming, intentional disruption of the forum
so I guess "Free speech ala fornits" will be rewritten in favor of anti-program posts and propaganda....there is a new sheriff (and Deputies) in town, careful what you post everyone.
THEWHO...
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JUST FOR THE RECORD, I got no beef with psy or che,I understand the intent of what you do.I also see the who for what he is,also sue sue pseudio,I Just cant take them seroiusly,as they have never lived our common experience,and therefore, they speak from their portholes
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Well, it appears the reason I have not been able to log-in (The last day or so) was that I was in the process of being Banned. Got this message this morning. So I am using someone elses computer.
.....you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
Commercial Spamming, intentional disruption of the forum
so I guess "Free speech ala fornits" will be rewritten in favor of anti-program posts and propaganda....there is a new sheriff (and Deputies) in town, careful what you post everyone.
THEWHO...
I'll let Ginger explain why...
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Well, it appears the reason I have not been able to log-in (The last day or so) was that I was in the process of being Banned. Got this message this morning. So I am using someone elses computer.
.....you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
Commercial Spamming, intentional disruption of the forum
so I guess "Free speech ala fornits" will be rewritten in favor of anti-program posts and propaganda....there is a new sheriff (and Deputies) in town, careful what you post everyone.
THEWHO...
Wow...you don't get it, boy...You're a billboard for an entire industry, and even by your standards, that includes the abusive ones. You won't name the "good" ones...you won't name the "bad". You're doing referral binnis off this forum, and that's no good, no good at all. This is a referral free zone, boy. The "sherif"f is putting an end to your advertising, and I hear no voices in the wilderness crying out in despair. You're a liar and a pig, and all you contribute is disruption and advertising for your company's interests. Free speech is one thing...Your speech is paid. Now beat it, boy.
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Well, it appears the reason I have not been able to log-in (The last day or so) was that I was in the process of being Banned. Got this message this morning. So I am using someone elses computer.
.....you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
Commercial Spamming, intentional disruption of the forum
so I guess "Free speech ala fornits" will be rewritten in favor of anti-program posts and propaganda....there is a new sheriff (and Deputies) in town, careful what you post everyone.
THEWHO...
Wow...you don't get it, boy...You're a billboard for an entire industry, and even by your standards, that includes the abusive ones. You won't name the "good" ones...you won't name the "bad". You're doing referral binnis off this forum, and that's no good, no good at all. This is a referral free zone, boy. The "sherif"f is putting an end to your advertising, and I hear no voices in the wilderness crying out in despair. You're a liar and a pig, and all you contribute is disruption and advertising for your company's interests. Free speech is one thing...Your speech is paid. Now beat it, boy.
Yup. Commercial activity. He's using the forum to manually spam and generate business... and spamming isn't allowed. That's not even to mention his intentional disruption of the forum. If people attempt ignore him, he logs out and posts as a guest so he can irritate others.
Free speech is one thing. Plugging your fingers in your ears and screaming LALALALALALALALALA at the top of your lungs to disrupt conversations, spread propoganda, and advertise for Aspen is entierly another. Good bye Whooter. Dont' expect a single tear to be shed here.
A little while back, whooter sent me an email saying that "scouts honor" he would leave of his own volition if Ginger asked him to leave. Well. Enough pushing and that finally happened. No surprise, he has no honor, and continued to post and post and post. So... he was held accountable.
Ha,ha,ha.
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Boo-YAH!
Ask not for whom the bell tolls, who...It tolls for thee, chumpy.
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(http://http://disabilitiesunlimited.org/blogs/media/HumourLaughingKitten.jpg)
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What are we going to do now that we don't have Whootie to argue with??
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What are we going to do now that we don't have Whootie to argue with??
I dunno......wanna go sailing?
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Sure, just swing by the Chesapeake bay and I'll swim out to the boat! :D
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Np, see ya in a few days.
:D
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There will be a celebratory orgy at the Gold Rush tonight, across from the Exit/In...first 100 through the door get complimentary apple martini-flavored lube!
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What are we going to do now that we don't have Whootie to argue with??
Get down to the business of ending these cults.
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What have we been doing these last 6 years or so?
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Rampant talkin' out in Group. And it seems to be having an effect.
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All things considered I don't think banning a "mindset" (which is what Who is/was) will do anything except appease a small select group of posters who in spite of their good intentions managed to dupe themselves into believing this is somehow good for kids and parents.
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I ain't even weighing in on whether or not it should be done. The decision has been made. I just thought it was funny how he got called out as anon. And it didn't take looking at no damn IP to ID the moron either.
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I think I'll answer this. Should clarify my thinking and 'institutional history' on these questions. Feel free to chime in but let's not get too hung up on this.
Most importantly, it’s a revelation to me that moderating powers are so circumscribed. Knowing they are is comforting.
There should be a sticky explaining what moderators and administrators have the power to do, and not do.
No, I think I'll leave it to the reader to decide how much they want to know about the forum software and how much of their time and energy they want to spend learning it. SMF has very good documentation and support. If you have concerns about the back-end workings of the fora, take advantage of that. these forums are mostly about the troubled parent industry, thought reform and such like topics.
This has always been a big point with me. There should be some expectations as users (customers) on how our posts will be handled and/or what the rules are.
Again, let the buyer be as wary as they feel the need to be. I'm not yo mama.
1. Private Messages carry an implied security that the posts will not end up on the open forum. This has been proven not to be true over and over again and was violated again today when a survivors personal information was reposted on the open forum by a fornits moderator because she didn’t agree with him.
See above, the privacy of your pms is only as good as the integrity of the person to whom you send them.
2. If you have a user name and cannot log in is it okay to post as a guest? Apparently not. I have been harassed all day because of this. I indicated that the moderator (psy) could tag my posts if he liked, but I was asked to leave the forum if I wasn’t logged in.
It's ok with me. It may annoy others. They're as free to be annoyed and to express it as you are to do it. Have lots of good fun!
I think there should be a set of rules for admins to follow and what we can expect as users of the fornits forum. There are many that do not want to post because they are not sure if they can speak openly and/or afraid to rock the boat with their opinions with fear their personal information will be exposed here.
Vote with your feet. I miss that li'll 'Boycott Fornits" smily guy. And please, people, don't give sensitive private information to strangers. What do I look like, yo mama?
Maybe a list of rules or assurances as we enter the individual forums would help, i.e. what are the admins and mods allowed or not allowed to do.... what personal information to they have access to.... can all admins and mods read the personal messages?...... Can they review these messages and make this information public if they like.
Again, do your own homework, make your own assessments, watch your own back yard and I mine. If you feel strongly that things should be done in the way you describe, well then by all means take some of the ample time you'll have on your hands now that you're not posting to Fornits to run your own damned forum.
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All things considered I don't think banning a "mindset" (which is what Who is/was) will do anything except appease a small select group of posters who in spite of their good intentions managed to dupe themselves into believing this is somehow good for kids and parents.
It certainly doesn't do any harm, and thewho was doing business for the industry. It's certainly not bad for kids and parents to have a guy promoting non-specific programs for the sake of pushing the industry and his corporate interests banned from the forum.
Sorry, I see it as a positive step. I feel really, really good about it. ;D
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Yeah, well some of us are thinking about it and upon weighing the implications concluded that if all we can do is vote with our feet - well then, it's time to start walking. :-*
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Zen, IMO you are wrong. Sanitizing Fornits to ensure one point of view on the teen help industry is presented does HURT kids and family.
In the real world, the industry uses a host of propaganda and tricks to deceive parents -- often times using the anti-teen-help-rhetoric to their distinct and measurable advantage.
The WHO was a classic example of what parents need to hear and see in order to fully appreciate how the industry works to get them to buy into the propaganda they spew hook, line and sinker.
Ding Dong, the Who is Gone. Alas, if only it was possible to ban an intangible mindset.
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Zen, IMO you are wrong. Sanitizing Fornits to ensure one point of view on the teen help industry is presented does HURT kids and family.
In the real world, the industry uses a host of propaganda and tricks to deceive parents -- often times using the anti-teen-help-rhetoric to their distinct and measurable advantage.
The WHO was a classic example of what parents need to hear and see in order to fully appreciate how the industry works to get them to buy into the propaganda they spew hook, line and sinker.
Ding Dong, the Who is Gone. Alas, if only it was possible to ban an intangible mindset.
You're not too far gone, are you? Sucks. You should be deleted every time you post - You're banned, molly-flugga.
I loath you. You are the embodiment of all the abuse my step daughter through, the abuse my wife went through.
You offer nothing, and the only thing you bring to any discussion is greed and disruption. Let the general good of the forum hold sway over your selfish interests. WEASEL!
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He was banned for his opinions, lets admit it and move on. He wasn’t pushing any programs, fuck we couldn’t get him to even name one!! He was pro industry and people harassed him for it he fought back and we booted his industry fucking ass out the fucking door. Good ridence, but lets be honest with ourselves.
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He was banned for his opinions, lets admit it and move on. He wasn’t pushing any programs, fuck we couldn’t get him to even name one!! He was pro industry and people harassed him for it he fought back and we booted his industry fucking ass out the fucking door. Good ridence, but lets be honest with ourselves.
ASR? Where his "daughter" went?
Whootie, you should wash your mouth out with soap! You know you were banned for all manner of abuses, not your opinions.
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Mr. Zen you speak often about pennisula villiage and your opinions of that place. That is propaganda also. The only difference is we like hearing the negative stuff here so we dont object as much.
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Whootie is a card-carrying member of the I AM A PROGRAM PARENT AND PROUD OF IT Club who has been banned from Fornits because he is pro industry and reportedly using Fornits to recruit parents. Um ... isn't that the same kind of self-righteousness Lon Woodbury used for so many years to effectively ban anti-industry folks from posting on ST? What has Fornits gained? What has it lost?
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Mr. Zen you speak often about pennisula villiage and your opinions of that place. That is propaganda also. The only difference is we like hearing the negative stuff here so we dont object as much.
Ah, bugger off, banned-boy. "That is propaganda also". No, it's what the forum is for - there's no profit involved. You need to drag yer dead ass back to StrugglingTeens, they love you. WEASEL!
I hope someone is flagging any IP addresses you're using for banishment.
These "Guests" all have a familiar tone, don't they? We've gained a Who-free zone, lost an industry shill.
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Can psy, che, or the fornits answer some things for me--
Holy Cow!
Am I to understand that Who has been banned?
Happy day.
Moderators can't see IPs??????????[
??????????Mr. Zen you speak often about pennisula villiage and your opinions of that place. That is propaganda also. The only difference is we like hearing the negative stuff here so we dont object as much.
And gives out the addresses and names of survivors and their families, he may or may not have gotten from abusing his moderating privileges! Honest, honorable person, eh?
It's good the who was banned, for his opinion or otherwise. His constant posting amounted to spam and ruined any discussions. Either he was a paid spokesperson, or a cult member with compusion isues
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Whootie is a card-carrying member of the I AM A PROGRAM PARENT AND PROUD OF IT Club who has been banned from Fornits because he is pro industry and reportedly using Fornits to recruit parents. Um ... isn't that the same kind of self-righteousness Lon Woodbury used for so many years to effectively ban anti-industry folks from posting on ST? What has Fornits gained? What has it lost?
Exactly how is he going to make money off of fornits anyway? The guy spewed his stuff and he was pro program so he got the heave. It sounds better if they say he was banned for something else, but we all know he was banned because we were sick of his crap.
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I do think some emphasis should probably be made on whether he was making any money off of his Fornits-related activities, or whether they were merely ideological drivel. If the former, this would certainly put his efforts here in a distinctly more nefarious light.
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Whootie is a card-carrying member of the I AM A PROGRAM PARENT AND PROUD OF IT Club who has been banned from Fornits because he is pro industry and reportedly using Fornits to recruit parents. Um ... isn't that the same kind of self-righteousness Lon Woodbury used for so many years to effectively ban anti-industry folks from posting on ST? What has Fornits gained? What has it lost?
Exactly how is he going to make money off of fornits anyway? The guy spewed his stuff and he was pro program so he got the heave. It sounds better if they say he was banned for something else, but we all know he was banned because we were sick of his crap.
Hmm. Perhaps he/she really does have a daughter who attended one of Aspen's hell-holes, 'cept she hasn't graduated yet. She's still there. Now isn't there something called "tuition credit" at some of these places, for the number of other families one is able to recruit? This is just a guess here, a possible scenario. There are many others...
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Can psy, che, or the fornits answer some things for me--
Holy Cow!
Am I to understand that Who has been banned?
Happy day.
Moderators can't see IPs??????????[
??????????Mr. Zen you speak often about pennisula villiage and your opinions of that place. That is propaganda also. The only difference is we like hearing the negative stuff here so we dont object as much.
And gives out the addresses and names of survivors and their families, he may or may not have gotten from abusing his moderating privileges! Honest, honorable person, eh?
I don't care what you think. You're wrong, bitter, and well, just fucking wrong. I never posted any info the who didn't ask for, and even then I used blanks and said I wouldn't leave it up. Who used it as Goebbels- style propaganda, outed CCM as the person who was posting bullshit about me, and confirmed I had her first name right. So thewho dicked it up, he's gone, and you want a scapegoat....Jethro, please. I'm not your whipping boy. Thewho is gone, don't blame me. Take your sour grapes elsewhere.
Seeing as how CCM offered money for my info, which is stalking, I've got her address to send the cops to without having to ask around, huh?
Loser...
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Whootie is a card-carrying member of the I AM A PROGRAM PARENT AND PROUD OF IT Club who has been banned from Fornits because he is pro industry and reportedly using Fornits to recruit parents. Um ... isn't that the same kind of self-righteousness Lon Woodbury used for so many years to effectively ban anti-industry folks from posting on ST? What has Fornits gained? What has it lost?
Exactly how is he going to make money off of fornits anyway? The guy spewed his stuff and he was pro program so he got the heave. It sounds better if they say he was banned for something else, but we all know he was banned because we were sick of his crap.
Hmm. Perhaps he/she really does have a daughter who attended one of Aspen's hell-holes, 'cept she hasn't graduated yet. She's still there. Now isn't there something called "tuition credit" at some of these places, for the number of other families one is able to recruit? This is just a guess here, a possible scenario. There are many others...
Well I am not comfortable having someone banned because of a guess IMO. Now that he is gone is there any evidence that he was making money? I personally think he was booted because he was pro program. I would gather most of us know that but dont want to admit it because it nakes us like ST.
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Zen, you screwed up. Just because someone asks for something doesnt mean you have to give it out. You are a moderator and shouldnt be giving out survivors names and family member names on the open forum. It is just wrong. Why is everything blamed on thewho? You are so slimy, yeeeck. Be a man!
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As far as I can tell The WHO wasn't attempting to destroy Fornits either overtly or covertly. Can we say the same about others who claim to be anti-industry yet are alleged to have some kind of hidden agenda? Damn. I no longer miss the old format, I miss the old Fornits where contentious as it was sometimes, the board wasn't ruled by paranoia and/or distrust. WTF happened?
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Zen, you screwed up. Just because someone asks for something doesnt mean you have to give it out. You are a moderator and shouldnt be giving out survivors names and family member names on the open forum. It is just wrong. Why is everything blamed on thewho? You are so slimy, yeeeck. Be a man!
Show me where I posted any "survivor's" name.
Thewho said if I gave him CCMgirl's info, he would give me any info she had on me. It was extortion, and I told him so. But, inquiring minds want to know.
Ooh, yeeeck, like, you are, like, soooooo slimy now, GAWD...
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but we all know he was banned because we were sick of his crap.
Sounds like good enough reason to me! :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Zen, you screwed up. Just because someone asks for something doesnt mean you have to give it out. You are a moderator and shouldnt be giving out survivors names and family member names on the open forum. It is just wrong. Why is everything blamed on thewho? You are so slimy, yeeeck. Be a man!
It's tough shit that you were banned, Who.. a lot of good it did, I see. :D
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As far as I can tell The WHO wasn't attempting to destroy Fornits either overtly or covertly. Can we say the same about others who claim to be anti-industry yet are alleged to have some kind of hidden agenda? Damn. I no longer miss the old format, I miss the old Fornits where contentious as it was sometimes, the board wasn't ruled by paranoia and/or distrust. WTF happened?
Glad to see you go go go go, goodbye! ;D
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Give CCM girl 1989 a break!!!!
She doesn';t know how ot use a search engine. while we were learning computers, she was flat backing for crack money.
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As far as I can tell The WHO wasn't attempting to destroy Fornits either overtly or covertly. Can we say the same about others who claim to be anti-industry yet are alleged to have some kind of hidden agenda? Damn. I no longer miss the old format, I miss the old Fornits where contentious as it was sometimes, the board wasn't ruled by paranoia and/or distrust. WTF happened?
Grandiose bastid, got to capitalize WHO every time.
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As far as I can tell The WHO wasn't attempting to destroy Fornits either overtly or covertly. Can we say the same about others who claim to be anti-industry yet are alleged to have some kind of hidden agenda? Damn. I no longer miss the old format, I miss the old Fornits where contentious as it was sometimes, the board wasn't ruled by paranoia and/or distrust. WTF happened?
Well Ginger never had a big ego and never see a need to control everything, never cared what opinions people had. Back then it was like a biker bar nobody could give a shit what your opinon was and if you acted like a dick we let you know. But the door was never closed noone got banned. WTF happened is exactly right? Why is everyone so sensitive about what other posters say? Have we all sunk this low that we have a need to silence people for offending us?
I liked the idea of posting on the only open forum where anything goes its not the same now that we ban people like the rest of em.
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I would have to agree with this much...
Btw, what's with all of these "RTYBBG" type names in caps?
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As far as I can tell The WHO wasn't attempting to destroy Fornits either overtly or covertly. Can we say the same about others who claim to be anti-industry yet are alleged to have some kind of hidden agenda? Damn. I no longer miss the old format, I miss the old Fornits where contentious as it was sometimes, the board wasn't ruled by paranoia and/or distrust. WTF happened?
Well Ginger never had a big ego and never see a need to control everything, never cared what opinions people had. Back then it was like a biker bar nobody could give a shit what your opinon was and if you acted like a dick we let you know. But the door was never closed noone got banned. WTF happened is exactly right? Why is everyone so sensitive about what other posters say? Have we all sunk this low that we have a need to silence people for offending us?
I liked the idea of posting on the only open forum where anything goes its not the same now that we ban people like the rest of em.
We KNOW it you, son - you always using RTYBBG, TYZZSW, OUTRNH, RTYEU. Be for REAL, Jack.
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I would have to agree with this much...
Btw, what's with all of these "RTYBBG" type names in caps?
RT, my initials, Y married name (which I should friggin drop) BBG (B'nai B'rith Girls) is where it all began at age 11 when my parents tested me and found I was screwed up and decided I need fixin. The rest is history. My life took me to England so I can be screwed up over here at least they have free health care. The old fornits would woop someones ass for being a dick, god that use to be fun I miss those days. You guys are more mainstream now, uh lots of rules n shit. What happened?
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Whootie is a card-carrying member of the I AM A PROGRAM PARENT AND PROUD OF IT Club who has been banned from Fornits because he is pro industry and reportedly using Fornits to recruit parents. Um ... isn't that the same kind of self-righteousness Lon Woodbury used for so many years to effectively ban anti-industry folks from posting on ST? What has Fornits gained? What has it lost?
Exactly how is he going to make money off of fornits anyway? The guy spewed his stuff and he was pro program so he got the heave. It sounds better if they say he was banned for something else, but we all know he was banned because we were sick of his crap.
Hmm. Perhaps he/she really does have a daughter who attended one of Aspen's hell-holes, 'cept she hasn't graduated yet. She's still there. Now isn't there something called "tuition credit" at some of these places, for the number of other families one is able to recruit? This is just a guess here, a possible scenario. There are many others...
Well I am not comfortable having someone banned because of a guess IMO. Now that he is gone is there any evidence that he was making money? I personally think he was booted because he was pro program. I would gather most of us know that but dont want to admit it because it nakes us like ST.
Ginger has many times stated that she is anti-censorship and actually welcomes pro-program voices for their part in debate (wretched paraphrase on my part but bear with me here). My guess is that his banning has more to it than his mere pro-program bias, but again, this is just my guess.
Here's another scenario of possible financial gain: a per head premium paid by Hell-hole Whatever, similar to what Sue Scheff was paid even after she no longer had Ashlyn enrolled anywhere. What was it then, $1000 per enrollment? What is it now?
I must say, the sheer length, tenacity of focus, and investment of TheWho's time -- when you look at it as a whole -- is simply very hard to believe as arising from mere ideological stance.
You might well ask: what about the anti-program survivors here, don't some of them also put in analogous amounts of time, sweat, etc., sometimes over the course of many years? Well, hell YES!! It was their butts (or their relatives' or loved ones' butts) that went through the wringer, their hearts and minds twisted by those bastards!! Think that doesn't serve to fuel some passion into the posting?
It is understandable for those of us who actually went through a personal hell by these means to be a little obsessed by this. It is far less understandable for someone more removed from the scene to put this kind of effort in. Does Sue Scheff post here on the order that TheWho does? Nah, she puts her two cents in from time to time, but mostly she's out making money. What is TheWho doing here?
There has got to be some kind of money-making (or some serious pathology) involved in the mix for TheWho here, IMHO.
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Whootie is a card-carrying member of the I AM A PROGRAM PARENT AND PROUD OF IT Club who has been banned from Fornits because he is pro industry and reportedly using Fornits to recruit parents. Um ... isn't that the same kind of self-righteousness Lon Woodbury used for so many years to effectively ban anti-industry folks from posting on ST? What has Fornits gained? What has it lost?
Exactly how is he going to make money off of fornits anyway? The guy spewed his stuff and he was pro program so he got the heave. It sounds better if they say he was banned for something else, but we all know he was banned because we were sick of his crap.
Hmm. Perhaps he/she really does have a daughter who attended one of Aspen's hell-holes, 'cept she hasn't graduated yet. She's still there. Now isn't there something called "tuition credit" at some of these places, for the number of other families one is able to recruit? This is just a guess here, a possible scenario. There are many others...
Well I am not comfortable having someone banned because of a guess IMO. Now that he is gone is there any evidence that he was making money? I personally think he was booted because he was pro program. I would gather most of us know that but dont want to admit it because it nakes us like ST.
Ginger has many times stated that she is anti-censorship and actually welcomes pro-program voices for their part in debate (wretched paraphrase on my part but bear with me here). My guess is that his banning has more to it than his mere pro-program bias, but again, this is just my guess.
Here's another scenario of possible financial gain: a per head premium paid by Hell-hole Whatever, similar to what Sue Scheff was paid even after she no longer had Ashlyn enrolled anywhere. What was it then, $1000 per enrollment? What is it now?
I must say, the sheer length, tenacity of focus, and investment of TheWho's time -- when you look at it as a whole -- is simply very hard to believe as arising from mere ideological stance.
You might well ask: what about the anti-program survivors here, don't some of them also put in analogous amounts of time, sweat, etc., sometimes over the course of many years? Well, hell YES!! It was their butts (or their relatives' or loved ones' butts) that went through the wringer, their hearts and minds twisted by those bastards!! Think that doesn't serve to fuel some passion into the posting?
It is understandable for those of us who actually went through a personal hell by these means to be a little obsessed by this. It is far less understandable for someone more removed from the scene to put this kind of effort in. Does Sue Scheff post here on the order that TheWho does? Nah, she puts her two cents in from time to time, but mostly she's out making money. What is TheWho doing here?
There has got to be some kind of money-making (or some serious pathology) involved in the mix for TheWho here, IMHO.
Why Ban the person then? Is that what it has come to if a person is too persistant then they must be on the take? Maybe thye are mentaly ill or a parent who is obsessed. There are lots of illnesses shit I can name a dozen of them that I could apply to those who use to post here, they would stayu up all night and argue with hooligans for the shear hell of it like it would sooth their soul and still be going the next day. We didnt ban either one of them, who gives a crap where they got thier money. That was therapy for us, it helped to talk it out with anyone who would stay up and it was fun to beat on the parents who thought they did good. Thats funny looking back, but I got a lot of good from the old fornits.
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The only person to make money from fornits, is Michael, with his 'help me fuck up programs' fund raising campaign.
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Can psy, che, or the fornits answer some things for me--
Holy Cow!
Am I to understand that Who has been banned?
Happy day.
Moderators can't see IPs??????????[
??????????Mr. Zen you speak often about pennisula villiage and your opinions of that place. That is propaganda also. The only difference is we like hearing the negative stuff here so we dont object as much.
And gives out the addresses and names of survivors and their families, he may or may not have gotten from abusing his moderating privileges! Honest, honorable person, eh?
I don't care what you think. You're wrong, bitter, and well, just fucking wrong. I never posted any info the who didn't ask for, and even then I used blanks and said I wouldn't leave it up. Who used it as Goebbels- style propaganda, outed CCM as the person who was posting bullshit about me, and confirmed I had her first name right. So thewho dicked it up, he's gone, and you want a scapegoat....Jethro, please. I'm not your whipping boy. Thewho is gone, don't blame me. Take your sour grapes elsewhere.
Seeing as how CCM offered money for my info, which is stalking, I've got her address to send the cops to without having to ask around, huh?
Loser...
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If you had half of the brains as you have "bitterness" and insecurity, which causes you to abuse survivors inappropriately and seemingly randomly, you'd not have jumped to conclusions, read my adage accurately, and noted: I'm GLAD the who is banned. I'd rejoice were he shot in the gob with an MK-47.
Hmm, with which childish insult should I reciprocate? Monkey brain? Poo-poo head? No. You’re a post middle-aged low-life who never progressed beyond knocking over smaller kids for lunch money. Continue to sexually degrade and attack the families of survivors by posting their contact info here. Terrorize them to the point they feel they need to mention that they have cops in their family, and "if it's their time to go," they'd be O.K with that. That's ethical to do to a survivor who was locked away for 4 years after their family threw them away, and has had to survive all on their own.
Your actions speak for yourself- no name calling required. And, sure, the 5-0 will regard your “stalking” charges seriously.
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There has got to be some kind of money-making (or some serious pathology) involved in the mix for TheWho here, IMHO.
(http://http://www.phillyist.com/attachments/philly_jim/i-want-to-believe.jpg)
maybe he just liked to chat? maybe he was just bored at work? maybe he was a survivor who liked to play devils advocate? maybe he was telling the truth, and really had a daughter in a program and she is doing well and grateful. The point is who cares, it's not like he was posting links to his referral website. Psy went into ST and played devils advocate, followed the rules and got banned.. then publicized this as proof of ST's censorship policy. Why is the situation with thewho any different? he followed the rules of this forum, voiced his contrary and got banned for it. maybe it was just some survivors experiment to test the boundaries of free speech. bottom line - fornits failed miserably. they even included their new orwellian term to delude themselves.. 'manual spam'.
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What is going on? Does this Zenagent guy work with Ginger? WTF is that all about? She would never allow that in a million years, he is a moderator? someone fucked up maybe it was me I should go back and read from the beginning sorry I jumped in the middle here, I missed something
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Ok, I grok a lot of these guests are the WHO…disregard those. However, not ALL guests are him.
Whatever controversies remain, we all can agree, it is nectar from Zeus the elephant god of the Himalayas that he is 86'd.
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I pledge $200 cash to be sent to whatever admin or site owner bans TheWho.
I'll double that if someone posts his real name, information and/or a picture of him.
No banning on Fornits. Period. Free speech is paramount. Once censorship starts, it's a slippery slope before there's duct tape on your mouth.
"I detest what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire
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There has got to be some kind of money-making (or some serious pathology) involved in the mix for TheWho here, IMHO.
(http://http://www.phillyist.com/attachments/philly_jim/i-want-to-believe.jpg)
maybe he just liked to chat? maybe he was just bored at work? maybe he was a survivor who liked to play devils advocate? maybe he was telling the truth, and really had a daughter in a program and she is doing well and grateful. The point is who cares, it's not like he was posting links to his referral website. Psy went into ST and played devils advocate, followed the rules and got banned.. then publicized this as proof of ST's censorship policy. Why is the situation with thewho any different? he followed the rules of this forum, voiced his contrary and got banned for it. maybe it was just some survivors experiment to test the boundaries of free speech. bottom line - fornits failed miserably. they even included their new orwellian term to delude themselves.. 'manual spam'.
I dunno, Wayward (Who?)... In the past I have usually defended on behalf of free speech and anti-censorship. I posted against the "anti-Who" notice on a forum door. I have complained about his not being able to post on the Ban-Box. I am guessing that maybe TheWho did not follow "the rules of the forum." I am guessing that perhaps his actions undercut some critical and inherent philosophy here that is part and parcel of its nature of being.
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TheWho is an effective communicator. His detractors post extreme and sometimes violent reactions to his seemingly calm and collected demeanor, which is precisely what he wanted. He won - fornits is a sore loser - taking the ball and going home. They fear new posters will believe what he says because he comes off as sane and concerned, unlike a poster like Zen Agent who comes off revengeful and violent. If you were a parent, who would you listen to? That's why he was banned.
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Glad to see not everyone around here has lost their critical thinking skills.
In a lot of ways, this banning of who is no different than Bush's mandate to invade Iraq under the pretext of defending democracy.
Who is/was a textbook troll. Where was the threat to Fornits, kids or parents? I honestly don't see it.
Lastly, the fact that I will be accused of being the who is proof positive that the idiots are running the asylum. Get a grip ya'll.
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TheWho is an effective communicator. His detractors post extreme and sometimes violent reactions to his seemingly calm and collected demeanor, which is precisely what he wanted. He won - fornits is a sore loser - taking the ball and going home. They fear new posters will believe what he says because he comes off as sane and concerned, unlike a poster like Zen Agent who comes off revengeful and violent. If you were a parent, who would you listen to? That's why he was banned.
How violent can ya be on a forum? I have been nasty to theWho, I'm proud of it. I had nothing to do with you being banned. No sane and rational person would post as an anon to answer himself, who. We caught ya doing it. Quit trying to make me your scapegoat! Own up to it! Quit making excuses and pointing fingers at me. Take your fucking ball and go home, asswipe.
Will someone make this ban stick, or is this sick puppy going to whine forever?
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TheWho is an effective communicator. His detractors post extreme and sometimes violent reactions to his seemingly calm and collected demeanor, which is precisely what he wanted. He won - fornits is a sore loser - taking the ball and going home. They fear new posters will believe what he says because he comes off as sane and concerned, unlike a poster like Zen Agent who comes off revengeful and violent. If you were a parent, who would you listen to? That's why he was banned.
How violent can ya be on a forum? I have been nasty to theWho, I'm proud of it. I had nothing to do with you being banned. No sane and rational person would post as an anon to answer himself, who. We caught ya doing it. Quit trying to make me your scapegoat! Own up to it! Quit making excuses and pointing fingers at me. Take your fucking ball and go home, asswipe.
Will someone make this ban stick, or is this sick puppy going to whine forever?
You think everyone is TheWho. Your responses are predictable, boring and unsatisfying. You are representative of the future of fornits is policy doesn't revert itself soon.
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TheWho is an effective communicator. His detractors post extreme and sometimes violent reactions to his seemingly calm and collected demeanor, which is precisely what he wanted. He won - fornits is a sore loser - taking the ball and going home. They fear new posters will believe what he says because he comes off as sane and concerned, unlike a poster like Zen Agent who comes off revengeful and violent. If you were a parent, who would you listen to? That's why he was banned.
How violent can ya be on a forum? I have been nasty to theWho, I'm proud of it. I had nothing to do with you being banned. No sane and rational person would post as an anon to answer himself, who. We caught ya doing it. Quit trying to make me your scapegoat! Own up to it! Quit making excuses and pointing fingers at me. Take your fucking ball and go home, asswipe.
Will someone make this ban stick, or is this sick puppy going to whine forever?
You think everyone is TheWho. Your responses are predictable, boring and unsatisfying. You are representative of the future of fornits is policy doesn't revert itself soon.
I'm vengeful? Your responses are-robotic-stiff-mediocre-redundant. You are representative of the dull plodding past. Get over it.
Alright. I banned thewho. It was me personally, and I got my rocks off doing it. I own ALL this, pal. It was my decision, and I'll never revert. NEVER. Ha, ha, ha.
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Me curious. What what was the rationale behind the who's banning.
In reineration: I AM ALL FOR IT. Bash his brains with a blue bowling ball, the banned bastard!
But, was it that his posts amounted to spam? Answering your own question anon isn't it, I'm sure. Truth be told, that'd ban a whole lotta monkies in this heated jungle.
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There has got to be some kind of money-making (or some serious pathology) involved in the mix for TheWho here, IMHO.
(http://http://www.phillyist.com/attachments/philly_jim/i-want-to-believe.jpg)
maybe he just liked to chat? maybe he was just bored at work? maybe he was a survivor who liked to play devils advocate? maybe he was telling the truth, and really had a daughter in a program and she is doing well and grateful. The point is who cares, it's not like he was posting links to his referral website. Psy went into ST and played devils advocate, followed the rules and got banned.. then publicized this as proof of ST's censorship policy. Why is the situation with thewho any different? he followed the rules of this forum, voiced his contrary and got banned for it. maybe it was just some survivors experiment to test the boundaries of free speech. bottom line - fornits failed miserably. they even included their new orwellian term to delude themselves.. 'manual spam'.
I dunno, Wayward (Who?)... In the past I have usually defended on behalf of free speech and anti-censorship. I posted against the "anti-Who" notice on a forum door. I have complained about his not being able to post on the Ban-Box. I am guessing that maybe TheWho did not follow "the rules of the forum." I am guessing that perhaps his actions undercut some critical and inherent philosophy here that is part and parcel of its nature of being.
you think like we did in the old days only we didnt have the philosophy then. I would defend anyone who would be pushed out the door, just the way it was the rest of them too. I read from the beginning and dont see why thewho was banned does this happen all the time? How do you decide which people can stay? When you say "rules of the forum" which ones do you mean, hell we never had rules except that survivors stuck together and no one could defeat us. We never let anyone leave without knowing what we stood for or went threw.
I dont see why the guy had to be put out even if he was a hooligan.
After reading threw this I wonder why this Zen guy needs to post here so much if he is a moderator in another forum. Mods were always there to help out as I remember not to argue or confront people.
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If you all call this free speech I have a bridge for you to buy in Brooklynn.
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Program vets once again demonstrating why we get more or less absolutely nothing accomplished. It comes as no surprise to me that parents, outsiders, and a variety of vets themselves no longer bother posting here. This place has long since slid into a shit hole.
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Where is the post that declares THE WHO is banned?
Which person made this decision?
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Program vets once again demonstrating why we get more or less absolutely nothing accomplished. It comes as no surprise to me that parents, outsiders, and a variety of vets themselves no longer bother posting here. This place has long since slid into a shit hole.
Nothin new, we never got anything done either just bitched about shit and tried to recall what happened to us. Dont beat yourself up. years ago we would never post another vets name and family information on the web like that especially a moderator. This guy Zen also said she had family that were cops WTF what is the purpose of that? That really puts her in a situation was he ever ina program?, I think I remember CCM89girl. I dont remember her real name being maranda. Is Zen running the forum now? He sounds like he has control or anger issues
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I dunno, Wayward (Who?)... In the past I have usually defended on behalf of free speech and anti-censorship. I posted against the "anti-Who" notice on a forum door. I have complained about his not being able to post on the Ban-Box. I am guessing that maybe TheWho did not follow "the rules of the forum." I am guessing that perhaps his actions undercut some critical and inherent philosophy here that is part and parcel of its nature of being.
you think like we did in the old days only we didnt have the philosophy then. I would defend anyone who would be pushed out the door, just the way it was the rest of them too. I read from the beginning and dont see why thewho was banned does this happen all the time? How do you decide which people can stay? When you say "rules of the forum" which ones do you mean, hell we never had rules except that survivors stuck together and no one could defeat us. We never let anyone leave without knowing what we stood for or went threw.
I dont see why the guy had to be put out even if he was a hooligan.
After reading threw this I wonder why this Zen guy needs to post here so much if he is a moderator in another forum. Mods were always there to help out as I remember not to argue or confront people.
I put the phrase in quotes for a reason... but, spam is spam. Trying to filter fish a forum for gullible parents and less-than-critical thinkers in order to make money off of them is a form of spamming. Is TheWho a confidence man, selling parents the dream of a "good, safe program" for errant, rebellious little Jimmer Johnny? Does he set the stage by plying on the general rhetoric via his/her posting persona, and "suggest" more specifics in private PMs and emails?
You decide. Your guess as as good as mine. I honestly don't know. But I am guessing that Ginger has her reasons, and this was her call, from what I understand...
I personally would feel a lot better about it if we were furnished some proof.
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You might well ask: what about the anti-program survivors here, don't some of them also put in analogous amounts of time, sweat, etc., sometimes over the course of many years? Well, hell YES!! It was their butts (or their relatives' or loved ones' butts) that went through the wringer, their hearts and minds twisted by those bastards!! Think that doesn't serve to fuel some passion into the posting?
It is understandable for those of us who actually went through a personal hell by these means to be a little obsessed by this. It is far less understandable for someone more removed from the scene to put this kind of effort in. Does Sue Scheff post here on the order that TheWho does? Nah, she puts her two cents in from time to time, but mostly she's out making money. What is TheWho doing here?
Well said, and some good questions, Ursus.
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Life is happening for me later today. but I will say if you are banning people all the time then so be it fornits has changed. But if this is the first person as someone has said then everyone needs to be sure it is the right thing and not hid behind one pwesons feelings or idelas. Everyone needs to live with this decision if fornits is to stay united and grow stronger, there is no going back the second banning will be easier and I gaurentee you will feel down about it, seems in many ways the people in Britian are pulling ahead of the US in free speech, go figure, that one of the reasons we pulled away from them to begin with.
gatta scoot I'll catch up.
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Program vets once again demonstrating why we get more or less absolutely nothing accomplished. It comes as no surprise to me that parents, outsiders, and a variety of vets themselves no longer bother posting here. This place has long since slid into a shit hole.
Nothin new, we never got anything done either just bitched about shit and tried to recall what happened to us. Dont beat yourself up. years ago we would never post another vets name and family information on the web like that especially a moderator. This guy Zen also said she had family that were cops WTF what is the purpose of that? That really puts her in a situation was he ever ina program?, I think I remember CCM89girl. I dont remember her real name being maranda. Is Zen running the forum now? He sounds like he has control or anger issues
You're doing to me what Fornits is accused of doing to the who. You don't know me, yet you're saying he "sounds like he has control or anger issues", and making judgments. I have no idea who you are, except you're suddenly a frequent poster here, too. You also don't have the facts right: Where did you get the idea I said there were cops in that person's family? Where did you get that first name from? It's not on the forum, not anywhere. That's a little odd, don't you think?
I didn't post her name and family information. You keep saying that, but where is it on the forum. Again, where did you get that first name? It's creepy.
Considering the controversy not posting this "survivor's" info has created, and the anger and misinformed opinions coming from the knee-jerk reactions of some very fresh posters, would it have been any worse to post her full info?
Let me answer some of your questions:
My step daughter was in a program, we got her out a little over a year ago, and my anger is still fresh and close to the surface. Everybody suffered.
I don't run this forum or any other. I'm the moderator of the PV YLF forum, spared dealing with IP addresses because I'm not an admin. If you have a problem with me being a moderator on a sub forum, you need to learn more about how limited "power-wise" that position is. If you still have a problem, PM Ginger. She's already addressed the matter once.
So, freedom of speech is an issue, but I can't post what I found on another website? Why are you infringing on my right to free speech? As far as CCM posting her full name on another forum - we're all accountable for our own actions. I cut her some slack and didn't post her info. She, however:
Accused me of being a sexual predator and abuser, insulted my wife and step daughter, who is a program survivor. And CCM doesn't even know my name. She offered a hundred dollars for it this morning. Do you think she'll post it with my last name blanked? Considering her history so far, I imagine she'll splash it all over the place.
She tried to guess my info a while back and posted I was "Vic Leathers", something she found Googling Zen Agent. TheWho confirmed that, too.
She was right on the money. I'm Vic Leathers, I deal in Western wear in Butte, Montana. I got sheep here and a Big Sky.
That's it. I don't know why CCM has hounded me anonymously for so long - she's a friend of the who's, I guess, and wanted to help him out.
She certainly doesn't seem to have any regard for my family, she would have trashed all three of us for...what?
Anger and control issues... I controlled myself, does it sound like CCM did? You won't find CCM's name on this forum, unless the one you "don't remember it being" is hers. I won't confirm it. Where did you get that name from again?
Take care.
Vic Leathers
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Well, it appears the reason I have not been able to log-in (The last day or so) was that I was in the process of being Banned. Got this message this morning. So I am using someone elses computer.
.....you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
Commercial Spamming, intentional disruption of the forum
so I guess "Free speech ala fornits" will be rewritten in favor of anti-program posts and propaganda....there is a new sheriff (and Deputies) in town, careful what you post everyone.
THEWHO...
Wow...you don't get it, boy...You're a billboard for an entire industry, and even by your standards, that includes the abusive ones. You won't name the "good" ones...you won't name the "bad". You're doing referral binnis off this forum, and that's no good, no good at all. This is a referral free zone, boy. The "sherif"f is putting an end to your advertising, and I hear no voices in the wilderness crying out in despair. You're a liar and a pig, and all you contribute is disruption and advertising for your company's interests. Free speech is one thing...Your speech is paid. Now beat it, boy.
Yup. Commercial activity. He's using the forum to manually spam and generate business... and spamming isn't allowed. That's not even to mention his intentional disruption of the forum. If people attempt ignore him, he logs out and posts as a guest so he can irritate others.
Free speech is one thing. Plugging your fingers in your ears and screaming LALALALALALALALALA at the top of your lungs to disrupt conversations, spread propoganda, and advertise for Aspen is entierly another. Good bye Whooter. Dont' expect a single tear to be shed here.
nuthin new. same shit he was doin when he got banned before? 'cept he did exponentially more damage this time. guess you weren't payin attention, or hadn't experienced it directly.
maybe he just liked to chat? maybe he was just bored at work? maybe he was a survivor who liked to play devils advocate? maybe he was telling the truth, and really had a daughter in a program and she is doing well and grateful. The point is who cares, it's not like he was posting links to his referral website. Psy went into ST and played devils advocate, followed the rules and got banned.. then publicized this as proof of ST's censorship policy. Why is the situation with thewho any different? he followed the rules of this forum, voiced his contrary and got banned for it. maybe it was just some survivors experiment to test the boundaries of free speech. bottom line - fornits failed miserably. they even included their new orwellian term to delude themselves.. 'manual spam'.
clearly he hasn't been effectively banned.
and if it ain't the who... are you worried bout gettin banned for doin some advertising and spamming yourself? if not, stfu.
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I am guessing that perhaps his actions undercut some critical and inherent philosophy here that is part and parcel of its nature of being.
I think what you're saying here is that he was being a pain in the ass. :D
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Where is the post that declares THE WHO is banned?
Which person made this decision?
TheWho airs his/her discontent on reply #207 of this here thread:
http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 33#p309833 (http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=309833#p309833)
Reply #209: psy introduction
Reply #210: The Word
Reply #211: psy elaboration
Reply #212: The Word parting shots
Reply #213: Anne Bonney's mewing cat pic
It all went down at the end of p14 - begin of p15.
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Program vets once again demonstrating why we get more or less absolutely nothing accomplished. It comes as no surprise to me that parents, outsiders, and a variety of vets themselves no longer bother posting here. This place has long since slid into a shit hole.
Whatever... shit, he's even more of a pain now that he's banned..maybe we should un-ban him so he'll shut the hell up and go back to his usual "spamming" or whatever. I honestly don't give a flyin' fuck either way... just make it stop...please... make it STOP!! :D
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I am guessing that perhaps his actions undercut some critical and inherent philosophy here that is part and parcel of its nature of being.
I think what you're saying here is that he was being a pain in the ass. :D
LOL. If that was a sin you'd all have hung MY pelt out to be tanned a long time ago.
Nah... Somewhere in all of that I was trying to say that the freedom of free speech is not the same thing as the freedom to spam. In fact, spamming undercuts... undermines... denigrates... blah blah blah... free speech (part and parcel of fornits).
Prolly serves me right for trying to get too philosophical. Let's all go back and look at Anne Bonney's cat pic, that just about says it all much better than I can, haha!
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I've always held The Who’s a professional poster or someone really, really pitiful—I don’t mean “pitiful” as insult. I mean he deserves pity if he’s so lost that he’s possessed with “teen-program” promotion in this “teen-program-abuse” forum, or such a cult-annex that he to promotes it without rest, abstractly, with his “not all programs are bad” refrain.
If u read carefully you’ll see psy revealed why Who got banned (didn’t see it either): Who deliberately disrupted the forum by logging in “oh whet” when people “ignored” him, and manually spamming (commercial posts.) But basically, whatever technical reason he got ditched, the arithmetic was his omnipresent, eternal disruption. It’s blessed he’s past-tense. Though his presence is still here; he’s clearly posting as guests, Dracula rematerializing as hundreds of rats.
The thing I’m less comfortable with is Zen using his moderating privileges to get info on a survivor and post it here. Or using his knowledge of her to intimidate and control her. I don’t know the full story surrounding that, or what to believe, but even at best it’s seven layers of fucked up with a creamy coco filling of cuckoo-sadist. He shouldn’t moderate a vegetable sandwich, let alone a place he’s access to identifying info. Anyways, that's my last word on it.
Frod, did you say that mods can’t see ips? I’ve gotten conflicting info on that.
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I didn't post her info. Why do you keep saying I did?
Was it sadistic for her to attack my entire family, Isa?
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In a lot of ways, this banning of who is no different than Bush's mandate to invade Iraq under the pretext of defending democracy.
(http://http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-content/2007/07/bush_crying_medal_of_honor.jpg)
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I've always held The Who’s a professional poster or someone really, really pitiful—I don’t mean “pitiful” as insult. I mean he deserves pity if he’s so lost that he’s possessed with “teen-program” promotion in this “teen-program-abuse” forum, or such a cult-annex that he to promotes it without rest, abstractly, with his “not all programs are bad” refrain.
If u read carefully you’ll see psy revealed why Who got banned (didn’t see it either): Who deliberately disrupted the forum by logging in “oh whet” when people “ignored” him, and manually spamming (commercial posts.) But basically, whatever technical reason he got ditched, the arithmetic was his omnipresent, eternal disruption. It’s blessed he’s past-tense. Though his presence is still here; he’s clearly posting as guests, Dracula rematerializing as hundreds of rats.
The thing I’m less comfortable with is Zen using his moderating privileges to get info on a survivor and post it here. Or using his knowledge of her to intimidate and control her. I don’t know the full story surrounding that, or what to believe, but even at best it’s seven layers of fucked up with a creamy coco filling of cuckoo-sadist. He shouldn’t moderate a vegetable sandwich, let alone a place he’s access to identifying info. Anyways, that's my last word on it.
Frod, did you say that mods can’t see ips? I’ve gotten conflicting info on that.
Didn't you read what I posted, or do you not want to know?
Why are you trashing me when you admit you don't even know "the full story"? That's...who-ish. Enough. You're trollin'. Have fun picking at the carcass thread, buzzard.
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The Who being banned has more to do with the pathetic admins, mods, and poster not being able to decisively deal with him. Still his goal was clearly to disrupt the forum and he has done just that for a very long time. Now it appears that he will keep doing it.
To the WHO
www.anonymouse.org (http://www.anonymouse.org)
www.3proxy.org (http://www.3proxy.org)
consider googling Torpark as well.
This assertion that you are conducting commerical activity is absurd considering Mike was soliciting donations for his "fucking up a program" fund not so long ago. The only one to have made any money off this forum is Michael himself.
The rest of you are pathetic losers. Grow up.
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It is our attitude toward free thought and free expression that will determine our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate discussion, no limits on thought. No subject must be taboo. No censor must preside at our assemblies.
William O. Douglas
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I've always held The Who’s a professional poster or someone really, really pitiful—I don’t mean “pitiful” as insult. I mean he deserves pity if he’s so lost that he’s possessed with “teen-program” promotion in this “teen-program-abuse” forum, or such a cult-annex that he to promotes it without rest, abstractly, with his “not all programs are bad” refrain.
If u read carefully you’ll see psy revealed why Who got banned (didn’t see it either): Who deliberately disrupted the forum by logging in “oh whet” when people “ignored” him, and manually spamming (commercial posts.) But basically, whatever technical reason he got ditched, the arithmetic was his omnipresent, eternal disruption. It’s blessed he’s past-tense. Though his presence is still here; he’s clearly posting as guests, Dracula rematerializing as hundreds of rats.
The thing I’m less comfortable with is Zen using his moderating privileges to get info on a survivor and post it here. Or using his knowledge of her to intimidate and control her. I don’t know the full story surrounding that, or what to believe, but even at best it’s seven layers of fucked up with a creamy coco filling of cuckoo-sadist. He shouldn’t moderate a vegetable sandwich, let alone a place he’s access to identifying info. Anyways, that's my last word on it.
Frod, did you say that mods can’t see ips? I’ve gotten conflicting info on that.
I really like the Dracula / hundreds of rats analogy...
That's right -- I can no longer see IPs on my forum; I don't know why this changed.
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Program vets once again demonstrating why we get more or less absolutely nothing accomplished. It comes as no surprise to me that parents, outsiders, and a variety of vets themselves no longer bother posting here. This place has long since slid into a shit hole.
Whatever... shit, he's even more of a pain now that he's banned..maybe we should un-ban him so he'll shut the hell up and go back to his usual "spamming" or whatever. I honestly don't give a flyin' fuck either way... just make it stop...please... make it STOP!! :D
Now now Frod, "shit" is good binnis!! Why, I have made myself a handy dandy good living doing a little binnis on the side! Land sakes, fella, there's a tidy lil market out there for some good quality organic fertilizer. Ya just gotta know how to market it. These days, everybody's into some gorilla marketing, even the big players, and I'm not about to snub my nose at a good way to make a buck.
Why, I've even been hanging around the Ferrets forum for the last couple of years, gaining their trust and tolerance. I pitch in my posts whenever I can in between my other work and I've become a real regular presence there! The ferrets are of the mind that all binnis is bad binnis, but I keep making my point that there's good binnis-makers out there, and there's bad binnis-makers out there.
In particular, BEAR-Binnis® is the best binnis out on the market! Bears have been listening closely to ferret parents' concerns and have changed their product to accommodate market pressure. Bears believe in a scientifically based application of the latest binnis developments on the cutting edge of binnis technology and production. To bolster my contentions, I provide a large Excell sheet link in my signature: FART Facts - The Matrix. In fact, I have studiously entered so much data that it would be difficult for any being with the average ferret's attention span to wade through it all in one sitting, let alone make any sense of it and realize I culled it all from Little Pinko Riding Hood and Goldi-locked Fingers, but it sure looks impressive!
'Course, I ain't altering my diet for no honky lard-butts, but that would be impolite of me to discuss.
Lately, I've even taken to starting intelligent-sounding discussions with themes of "What makes ideal binnis?" and "Can you blame it on the binnis, or is the ferret at fault?" and "It's the bad binnis-makers that give good binnis a bad name."
From time to time, ferret-parents wander on the forum and I make my private email ever so available: [email protected]. I counsel them on how to spot the differences between good binnis and bad binnis, and how BEAR-Binnis® is the best binnis out on the market, and I often make a sale.
So... my dear friend Frod, or was that frond Fred... dear me, I can't remember who I was talking to... won't you re-consider? Opting for some good binnis, that is, BEAR-Binnis®, may well be the most difficult decision of your life, but it's liable to reap the most meaningful rewards for your entire family for decades to come!! Your ferret's future is at stake! Without BEAR-Binnis®, they may well end up deadinsaneorinjail and you really wouldn't want that on your conscience now, would you?!
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Are all of the anon posts on this thread authored by the entity calling itself "TheWho"?
Or were some of them someone else?
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Guess there's really no knowing with proxies.
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The Who being banned has more to do with the pathetic admins, mods, and poster not being able to decisively deal with him. Still his goal was clearly to disrupt the forum and he has done just that for a very long time. Now it appears that he will keep doing it.
To the WHO
www.anonymouse.org (http://www.anonymouse.org)
www.3proxy.org (http://www.3proxy.org)
consider googling Torpark as well.
I hate to say it, but I have to agree with this, even if you ARE TheWho!
What's the point in making this show of banning someone when they can just turn around and use a fucking proxy anyway?
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Frod, did you say that mods can’t see ips? I’ve gotten conflicting info on that.
ironically, just as Who and Che wanted. psy obliged.
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Frod, did you say that mods can’t see ips? I’ve gotten conflicting info on that.
ironically, just as Who and Che wanted. psy obliged.
Actually, I think that is the way it comes set up by SMF, although I am not 100% sure about that. I could very well be wrong, but I don't think anyone's wishes, one way or the other, entered into that decision.
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Zen, you screwed up. Just because someone asks for something doesnt mean you have to give it out.
yes, you too, zen, can be just like the who.
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Glad to see not everyone around here has lost their critical thinking skills.
In a lot of ways, this banning of who is no different than Bush's mandate to invade Iraq under the pretext of defending democracy.
Who is/was a textbook troll. Where was the threat to Fornits, kids or parents? I honestly don't see it.
Lastly, the fact that I will be accused of being the who is proof positive that the idiots are running the asylum. Get a grip ya'll.
you get a grip. this is ginger's house. she built it with her own blood, sweat, and tears. what have you done? if she decides she wants to throw out a raging drunk or obnoxious asshole for busting up the place, so be it. guess what, it even happens in BIKER BARS. ya know, bouncers. everyone has their limit. is that hard for some to accept?
that's my take on it and it sickens me to see so many people presume the position of telling her how she should run HER forum. as if she owes any one of you an explanation. anyone of you really feel at risk of being banned? naw. i didn't think so.
just the who, who appears to have found a window cracked. snakes can slither through the smallest of places.
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If u read carefully you’ll see psy revealed why Who got banned (didn’t see it either): Who deliberately disrupted the forum by logging in “oh whet” when people “ignored” him, and manually spamming (commercial posts.)
So we can't log in as guests anymore?
Lame...
www.anonymouse.org (http://www.anonymouse.org)
www.3proxy.org (http://www.3proxy.org)
torpark
also I notice mozilla has a great handy doo dad called swith proxy. Just google up a proxy list and throw the sucker in there.
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Frod, did you say that mods can’t see ips? I’ve gotten conflicting info on that.
ironically, just as Who and Che wanted. psy obliged.
Actually, I think that is the way it comes set up by SMF, although I am not 100% sure about that. I could very well be wrong, but I don't think anyone's wishes, one way or the other, entered into that decision.
guess you weren't paying attention. search the archives.
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Are all of the anon posts on this thread authored by the entity calling itself "TheWho"?
Or were some of them someone else?
lsa is me- not who
The other guests? Impossible to say.
Though, it’s safe to state guests asking that "Who" be reinstated on “principle” are all The Who. Milk and someone I think is Spring Creek are posting, but they object to to untrustworthy mods broad-spectrum, and sure don't want who back. Nope, jew or muslim, psy or milk, ccm girl or zen, what unites us is our common belief that who's demise embiggens us. Every One.
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Are all of the anon posts on this thread authored by the entity calling itself "TheWho"?
Or were some of them someone else?
Somebody else. Or I would be tagging em as he gave me permission to. In any case, it's a troll who has a personal beef with me and Fornits. It's pathetic, really. Ignore him.
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Where is the post that declares THE WHO is banned?
Which person made this decision?
Ginger made the decision. The post is on the end of page 14 of this thread.
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I agree that the level of activity on fornits has gone way down. I think part of it has to do with the move to SMF. I'm not sure it was a really good idea. Another part of it has to do with TheWho. Another part of it is that I think a lot of people are depressed and have lost hope, to a certain extent (GAO flopped, HLA survived, Deborah got frustrated and left...). I must admit, it has affected me as well.
For those who complain about the way I ran things... well.. I resigned as forum admin (still tech admin because I want the site running) for reasons I stated publicly on the forum a while back. As to where ginger is? beats me. It would help if she would post once in a while but she's busy.
This all being said, I have a few ideas up my sleeve i'll be posting later on. I've been paying a lot of attention to the way Anonymous is handling the Cult of Scientology recently, and that does give me hope. They're killing Scientology currently. I'm hoping the situation can be repeated on the Troubled Teen Industry. To that end, In the movie i'm making, i'll be making a lot of comparisons between Scientology and Benchmark. It sounds silly, but trust me on this. I think we need a new approach to fighting the industry. To that end, I have something in mind.
As for the front page... We need writers. If you'd like to volunteer, let me know and i'll pass it past Ginger and grant you access.
I volunteer!
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Anonymous?
Yes.. let's get a group of marginalized internet vandals to do our work for us. Brilliant.
Glad to see the faith in our ranks is so strong. Oh wait, your dramatic explosions have been doing most of the work to divde them. No wonder you need whatever allies you can find. You keep driving them off faster than you can make them.
Asshole.
With Psy foolish plan to work with Anonymous I no longer trust the security of this forum. This is a group of known cyber vandals who've attacked numerous websits in the name of "lulz". What more than likely will happen is these new allies will get bored one night and in the name of "lulz" have a swell old time unloading a DOS attack on fornits.
All thanks to psy..
I'm reminded of the fall of the Roman Empire. What hastened it was the hiring of barbarians to do the heavy lifting and fighting for the lazy complacent Roman citizens. What we are seeing here is a very interesting replay in motion.
And to top it off Ginger still hasn't actually posted any explanation for the banning of the Who.
Mr. WHO
anonymous
torpark
switchproxy
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I agree that the level of activity on fornits has gone way down. I think part of it has to do with the move to SMF. I'm not sure it was a really good idea. Another part of it has to do with TheWho. Another part of it is that I think a lot of people are depressed and have lost hope, to a certain extent (GAO flopped, HLA survived, Deborah got frustrated and left...). I must admit, it has affected me as well.
For those who complain about the way I ran things... well.. I resigned as forum admin (still tech admin because I want the site running) for reasons I stated publicly on the forum a while back. As to where ginger is? beats me. It would help if she would post once in a while but she's busy.
This all being said, I have a few ideas up my sleeve i'll be posting later on. I've been paying a lot of attention to the way Anonymous is handling the Cult of Scientology recently, and that does give me hope. They're killing Scientology currently. I'm hoping the situation can be repeated on the Troubled Teen Industry. To that end, In the movie i'm making, i'll be making a lot of comparisons between Scientology and Benchmark. It sounds silly, but trust me on this. I think we need a new approach to fighting the industry. To that end, I have something in mind.
As for the front page... We need writers. If you'd like to volunteer, let me know and i'll pass it past Ginger and grant you access.
I volunteer!
Shoot me off an email then with a draft of what you want published and I'll put it past Ginger.
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I didn't post her info. Why do you keep saying I did?
Was it sadistic for her to attack my entire family, Isa?
This is the biggest crock of shit I have ever read! This is wrong, wrong, wrong, you are outright lying. Are you serious about me googling Zen Agent???? I would never in a million years have done anything of the such! Vic Leathers?!! Huh? WHUT???? I don't know what the hell you are talking about? Me attacking your family? I didn't even know before yesterday that you were a man! Notice that in the last emails I never even use the words he/she. I didn't even know you had a wife, and a daughter till I saw you posting on the shout box that she has even asked you to drop this whole thing. I have to got to work very early this morning which sucks because it Saturday, but whatever! Point being, my husband just came into the office, and I literally for the first time had to explain to him what was going on here. This was something I have kept from him because I didn't want him involved. He doesn't understand what I went through, and sometimes it's too damn hard to explain to someone why after 20 years you are still dealing with things. Even though I've come a long ways. So, I just had to explain to him about the threat of our information being released. So, now I have him trippin because now he wants to take action which is the whole fucking thing I wanted to avoid. This really sucks. Dammit.
As far as The Who giving you all that information, or him coming to you for my personal information. I think people are smart enough to know that's not The Who's agenda getting program survivors names, and addresses. I know you hate the Who Zen. But, nobody is going to believe you. I don't care what emails you create, or whatever. You lack credibility.
So, you all have a great weekend. Mine now is totally screwed since I get to go to work then start dealing with all this crap when I get home. That's great.
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Spammer Sentenced to 9 Years In First Felony Conviction
By Gregg Keizer , TechWeb Technology News
A North Carolina man was sentenced Wednesday to a nine-year jail term for spamming millions of America Online users, the country's first felony conviction for spewing junk mail.
Jeremy D. Jaynes, 30, of Raleigh, N.C., and his sister, Jessica DeGroot, 28, were convicted under a Virginia state law that limits the number of e-mails mass marketers can send, and like the federal CAN-SPAM Act, forbids them from using fake e-mail addresses. Each was found guilty on three felony charges.
"This is a major victory for Virginians and all Americans," said Virginia Attorney General Jerry Kilgore in a statement Wednesday. "Spam is a nuisance to millions of Americans, but it is also a major problem for businesses large and small because the thousands of unwanted e-mails create havoc as they attempt to conduct commerce."
Jaynes, who went by several aliases, including Jeremy James and Gaven Stubberfield, was found guilty by a jury, which then recommended the nine-year prison sentence. His sister was found guilty of buying domain names to use for spamming, but only fined $7,500. An associate, Richard Rutkowski, 30, was found not guilty.
Although the three all hail from North Carolina, they were tried in Loudoun County, Virginia because they sent messages to America Online users. AOL has its servers at its Dulles headquarters.
When he was arrested last December, Jaynes was listed as the eighth most prolific spammer by Spamhaus, an anti-spam organization and clearing house.
According to Kilgore, Jaynes and DeGroot used spam to advertise a variety of products and services, including penny stocks, low mortgage rates, and work-at-home schemes. Prosecutors in the case alleged that Jaynes sent or tried to send 7.7 million messages to AOL subscribers in just one day, and reportedly raked in as much as $400,000 a month in orders for just one of their products.
During the trial, Jaynes was said to have accumulated a fortune of some $24 million by selling via spam.
"We've had the legislation in place and the technology to hunt down spammers, but we've rarely enforced the law," said Phyllis Schneck, the vice president of strategic development for CipherTrust, a message security firm based in Alpharetta, Ga. "Spammers are simply not afraid. As long as their profit model stays the same, they'll keep spamming. But when there's a huge risk and possible jail time, that profit model changes."
The three defendants originally faced prison terms of up to 15 years.
Jayne's attorney, David Oblon, was unavailable for comment, but the Associated Press quoted him Wednesday as saying the sentence was out of sync with the crime. "Nine years is absolutely outrageous when you look at what we do to people convicted of crimes like robbery and rape," he was quoted by the AP.
CipherTrust's Schneck disagreed. "These people have caused hundreds of thousands, and maybe millions, of dollars in damages, inconvenienced millions of people, caused untold lost hours of productivity," she said. "They deserved to be punished."
The landmark conviction, Schneck and others in the security business said, should put a damper on spam.
"The key to eradicating spam is education, legislation and enforcement, and using the best technology," said Schneck. "This case is a quintessential example of those three things. Education helped consumers report him, technology helped catch him, and the law prosecuted him. This shows that spam will not be tolerated in our society.
"It's true we've never seen more spam than we see now, but if convictions continue, we should see it reduced," she added. Schenk believes that spam can be wrestled into a manageable problem within the next two years.
Formal sentencing of Jaynes and DeGroot will take place in February 2005, and a judge will have the option then of changing the sentence, state officials said.
http://www.techweb.com/wire/security/51202786 (http://www.techweb.com/wire/security/51202786)
God but do I hate spammers!
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Glad to see not everyone around here has lost their critical thinking skills.
In a lot of ways, this banning of who is no different than Bush's mandate to invade Iraq under the pretext of defending democracy.
Who is/was a textbook troll. Where was the threat to Fornits, kids or parents? I honestly don't see it.
Lastly, the fact that I will be accused of being the who is proof positive that the idiots are running the asylum. Get a grip ya'll.
you get a grip. this is ginger's house. she built it with her own blood, sweat, and tears. what have you done? if she decides she wants to throw out a raging drunk or obnoxious asshole for busting up the place, so be it. guess what, it even happens in BIKER BARS. ya know, bouncers. everyone has their limit. is that hard for some to accept?
that's my take on it and it sickens me to see so many people presume the position of telling her how she should run HER forum. as if she owes any one of you an explanation. anyone of you really feel at risk of being banned? naw. i didn't think so.
just the who, who appears to have found a window cracked. snakes can slither through the smallest of places.
Well said, whoever the fuck you are. :D
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I didn't post her info. Why do you keep saying I did?
Was it sadistic for her to attack my entire family, Isa?
This is the biggest crock of shit I have ever read! This is wrong, wrong, wrong, you are outright lying. Are you serious about me googling Zen Agent???? I would never in a million years have done anything of the such! Vic Leathers?!! Huh? WHUT???? I don't know what the hell you are talking about? Me attacking your family? I didn't even know before yesterday that you were a man! Notice that in the last emails I never even use the words he/she. I didn't even know you had a wife, and a daughter till I saw you posting on the shout box that she has even asked you to drop this whole thing. I have to got to work very early this morning which sucks because it Saturday, but whatever! Point being, my husband just came into the office, and I literally for the first time had to explain to him what was going on here. This was something I have kept from him because I didn't want him involved. He doesn't understand what I went through, and sometimes it's too damn hard to explain to someone why after 20 years you are still dealing with things. Even though I've come a long ways. So, I just had to explain to him about the threat of our information being released. So, now I have him trippin because now he wants to take action which is the whole fucking thing I wanted to avoid. This really sucks. Dammit.
As far as The Who giving you all that information, or him coming to you for my personal information. I think people are smart enough to know that's not The Who's agenda getting program survivors names, and addresses. I know you hate the Who Zen. But, nobody is going to believe you. I don't care what emails you create, or whatever. You lack credibility.
So, you all have a great weekend. Mine now is totally screwed since I get to go to work then start dealing with all this crap when I get home. That's great.
>yawn< Get a room, you two... :D
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Anonymous?
Yes.. let's get a group of marginalized internet vandals to do our work for us. Brilliant.
Glad to see the faith in our ranks is so strong. Oh wait, your dramatic explosions have been doing most of the work to divde them. No wonder you need whatever allies you can find. You keep driving them off faster than you can make them.
Asshole.
With Psy foolish plan to work with Anonymous I no longer trust the security of this forum. This is a group of known cyber vandals who've attacked numerous websits in the name of "lulz". What more than likely will happen is these new allies will get bored one night and in the name of "lulz" have a swell old time unloading a DOS attack on fornits.
All thanks to psy..
I'm reminded of the fall of the Roman Empire. What hastened it was the hiring of barbarians to do the heavy lifting and fighting for the lazy complacent Roman citizens. What we are seeing here is a very interesting replay in motion.
And to top it off Ginger still hasn't actually posted any explanation for the banning of the Who.
Mr. WHO
anonymous
torpark
switchproxy
Ooooooohhhh... I'm so scared...... what would we do???
Where's that :scared: emoticon, goddammit? :D
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I would like to add - shut up, Miranda. You're a troll, everyone knows it. If you're going to act like an asshole, people have a right to address your bullshit. But you hide.
Psy, can the ignore feature be set to block the IP of the person being ignored, so I don't have to read her shit when she "slips under the radar"?
Does CCM really stand for "Crack Craving Miranda"?
We were all just told that Zens moderating privileges were limited to the YLF forum. So how can he come over to the TTI forum and start outing people based on their IP addresses . Zen, you just outed a survivor on an open forum because they disagree with you. Why are you so pissed about people posting as a "guest" when you can read everyones IP#?
Why is it not okay to post as a “guest”? This is not something that is unique to internet forums or fornits. Talk radio has had anonymous callers for decades. People call in and say “This is Mike from Pittsburgh….” They may or may not give their real name and the show host could check the id of the caller easily if they wanted and out them over the air, but they don’t, because first it isn’t right and secondly people would stop calling in. Successful open forums (and talk radio) are built upon anonymity.
People say bad stuff about me all the time, but I don’t ask for or expect to get their IP addresses. Of all the people having keys to fornits, you should be the last one because of your track record here and in other forums.
I think you know who this is just check my IP#.
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Yeah...she's a survivor, alright. Against WWASP, but pro-program, just like Sue Scheff. Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who. I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
How did I "out" somebody? If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game. Dude. By the way, I can't see anyone's IP. There's a good reason for that, because I would abuse that privilege to "out" you. Just being honest.
Once again, the ignore feature is useless as long as the ignored slip by as anons. Block their IP's so they're truly ignored. Thewho and CCM are so desperate to be noticed, they'll do anything to get attention. That's truly pathetic, trollish activity.
I am so desperate to be noticed that in the last 6 months I have posted maybe a total of 10 times? I love the fact you have access to my PM's too, and are threatening to post them. The things is, I could give 2 shits less, so be my guest. I haven't used that feature in 4 months, and before that rarely. Just do me a favor, and don't alter all my PM's. Because we all now people were altering my posts. Doesn't give you a lot of credibility. BTW, you have some nerve comparing me to Sue Scheff. BTW, The Who, and I exchanged a few P.M.'s about all the crap I was receiving because I didn't agree with the majority here that all programs were bad. But that was over 4 months ago, and very briefly. It's not like we are buddy buddy! Come on re-read my PM's Zen. They are still sitting there, I don't bother to erase those things, because I have nothing to hide. But, keep in mind if you do decide to be a prick, and post them. It just reflects badly on fornits for allowing you to have access to such private information.
Also, it wasn't just 1 WWASP program I went through. I went through a total of 4 different programs. If you don't consider me a survivor having to endure being away from my family for 4 1/2 years going through everything I did, then what is your definition of being a "program survivor"? I'd be real curious to hear that one! Also, you obtained my name from fornits when I signed up. Either that or when I listed myself on classmates.com trying to find some of my long lost friends that met the same unfortunate fate that I did, to catch up on old times. I didn't sign up to have some fucking loser like yourself that likes to talk the talk, then can't walk the walk, then threaten to spread my name all over this board. How truly pathetic you are. Get a life buddy!
BTW, having my name listed, and having my picture put up on here (thanks to Niles, oh well someone posted yours too), at first it kinda pissed me off, I'll be honest, I wasn't real comfortable having that information just hanging out here. But, I figure if there hasn't been anyone murdered by an angry fornits poster yet, and I am talking about all Ed-Con's to Program Owners to random prickish staff that taunted some of us, and made our lives a living hell, then the chances of someone coming after me, are slim, to none.
If someone does decide to, then hey, when it's your time, it's your time! But, don't think for one second I am not aware of my surroundings. I also have a few family members that are in law enforcement, also some detectives that are undercover in the narcotics division, and it really is not a big deal to have my phones tapped, calls traced, or whatever it takes to find out who you are, and press charges. So, if you like stuff like that on your record, enjoy spending time in court, or love being behind bars, then go for it. I just pick up the phone and make one call, and that starts the ball in motion. So, please make sure this is really what you want to do. If you decide to show up at my house, first of all you would have to make it through security. If you did that, then my dogs would alert me, which then I would proceed to grab my husbands gun, and then I would have to blow your brains out all over my pretty house. Sorry, I am not nice like some people who might aim for a leg to disable you. I aim with the intent to kill.
I really like the majority of the people on here even though we have are disagreements. There are just a few of you that no matter what I say, or do, I will always be on their shit list! Oh well, that's the way it goes.
That's the saddest thing I've read of late. No one had the right to put you through that. Any bullshit justifications for doing so because of your opinions on programs are grunts from bullies with conveniently emergent senses of morality.
But, can I ask you something?
Did you post what Zen says you did?
Did Zen post info which made it possible to identify you to fornits posters?
What exactly did he post, as he has altered it from the original?
What did he say to you when he posted it—what was he trying to get you to do?
How did he track you down?
What is your side of the story?
Not everyone gets a kick out of hurting you, and rather think the people who do so are no better than raging kids in group who use you for emotional and, frankly, sexual kicks.
And the insanity of reporting you to the police for "stalking"! He'd be laughed away from the station, of course, but how grotesque to attempt to manipulate the the legal system to crucify an innocent?...Not to mention, his lunacy makes survivors look unreliable when associated with one is so delusional and involved with scheming, dishonest orchestrations.
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Why don't you just stay out of it and let them settle it themselves. :-*
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I agree that the level of activity on fornits has gone way down. I think part of it has to do with the move to SMF. I'm not sure it was a really good idea.
I think we can regain the traffic. A site map would be ever so cool. Anybody? That and just keeping our shit together, ya know not leaving db pwds laying around all willy nilly (Untold thanks to WaWa for the free security check, btw. I don't care what they say about ya, style by the mile... oh... now where's my little "we are not worthy" smiley guy? Shit! Even the smiley guys are trailing off! Better do something quick!)
Another part of it has to do with TheWho.
The Who has lost the right to communicate.... here. There's still the rest of Cyberia, so it's really not half as harsh as it sounds.
Another part of it is that I think a lot of people are depressed and have lost hope, to a certain extent (GAO flopped, HLA survived, Deborah got frustrated and left...). I must admit, it has affected me as well.
Try to take the long view. I think I'll go and bump some old Nazi threads or something.
For those who complain about the way I ran things... well.. I resigned as forum admin (still tech admin because I want the site running) for reasons I stated publicly on the forum a while back. As to where ginger is? beats me. It would help if she would post once in a while but she's busy.
I do what I can.
This all being said, I have a few ideas up my sleeve i'll be posting later on. I've been paying a lot of attention to the way Anonymous is handling the Cult of Scientology recently, and that does give me hope. They're killing Scientology currently. I'm hoping the situation can be repeated on the Troubled Teen Industry. To that end, In the movie i'm making, i'll be making a lot of comparisons between Scientology and Benchmark. It sounds silly, but trust me on this. I think we need a new approach to fighting the industry. To that end, I have something in mind.
As for the front page... We need writers. If you'd like to volunteer, let me know and i'll pass it past Ginger and grant you access.
I volunteer!
K, thanks! Hit me up via PM and we'll talk some.
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I'd like to inform everyone here, that anonymous has been responsible for our hosting since the last double-whammy of sue-sue attempts to get this forum shut down. That seems to be the only reason she's finally shut the fuck up, or at least switched tactics.
Sue would have it that fornits did not even EXIST. In her attempts to control the internet and censor us and to be belligerent, bellicose and basically a cunt, she has brought this upon herself, and for that matter upon the entire industry.
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I didn't post her info. Why do you keep saying I did?
Was it sadistic for her to attack my entire family, Isa?
This is the biggest crock of shit I have ever read! This is wrong, wrong, wrong, you are outright lying. Are you serious about me googling Zen Agent???? I would never in a million years have done anything of the such! Vic Leathers?!! Huh? WHUT???? I don't know what the hell you are talking about? Me attacking your family? I didn't even know before yesterday that you were a man! Notice that in the last emails I never even use the words he/she. I didn't even know you had a wife, and a daughter till I saw you posting on the shout box that she has even asked you to drop this whole thing. I have to got to work very early this morning which sucks because it Saturday, but whatever! Point being, my husband just came into the office, and I literally for the first time had to explain to him what was going on here. This was something I have kept from him because I didn't want him involved. He doesn't understand what I went through, and sometimes it's too damn hard to explain to someone why after 20 years you are still dealing with things. Even though I've come a long ways. So, I just had to explain to him about the threat of our information being released. So, now I have him trippin because now he wants to take action which is the whole fucking thing I wanted to avoid. This really sucks. Dammit.
As far as The Who giving you all that information, or him coming to you for my personal information. I think people are smart enough to know that's not The Who's agenda getting program survivors names, and addresses. I know you hate the Who Zen. But, nobody is going to believe you. I don't care what emails you create, or whatever. You lack credibility.
So, you all have a great weekend. Mine now is totally screwed since I get to go to work then start dealing with all this crap when I get home. That's great.
For your own well being, CCM, I suggest you learn that anything you post anywhere is easily retrievable with the right context and the ability to use boolean strings with "Google". You need to learn how to not let things slip.
I'll gladly help you in any way I can if you just ask.
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I would like to add - shut up, Miranda. You're a troll, everyone knows it. If you're going to act like an asshole, people have a right to address your bullshit. But you hide.
Psy, can the ignore feature be set to block the IP of the person being ignored, so I don't have to read her shit when she "slips under the radar"?
Does CCM really stand for "Crack Craving Miranda"?
We were all just told that Zens moderating privileges were limited to the YLF forum. So how can he come over to the TTI forum and start outing people based on their IP addresses . Zen, you just outed a survivor on an open forum because they disagree with you. Why are you so pissed about people posting as a "guest" when you can read everyones IP#?
Why is it not okay to post as a “guest”? This is not something that is unique to internet forums or fornits. Talk radio has had anonymous callers for decades. People call in and say “This is Mike from Pittsburgh….” They may or may not give their real name and the show host could check the id of the caller easily if they wanted and out them over the air, but they don’t, because first it isn’t right and secondly people would stop calling in. Successful open forums (and talk radio) are built upon anonymity.
People say bad stuff about me all the time, but I don’t ask for or expect to get their IP addresses. Of all the people having keys to fornits, you should be the last one because of your track record here and in other forums.
I think you know who this is just check my IP#.
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Yeah...she's a survivor, alright. Against WWASP, but pro-program, just like Sue Scheff. Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who. I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
How did I "out" somebody? If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game. Dude. By the way, I can't see anyone's IP. There's a good reason for that, because I would abuse that privilege to "out" you. Just being honest.
Once again, the ignore feature is useless as long as the ignored slip by as anons. Block their IP's so they're truly ignored. Thewho and CCM are so desperate to be noticed, they'll do anything to get attention. That's truly pathetic, trollish activity.
I am so desperate to be noticed that in the last 6 months I have posted maybe a total of 10 times? I love the fact you have access to my PM's too, and are threatening to post them. The things is, I could give 2 shits less, so be my guest. I haven't used that feature in 4 months, and before that rarely. Just do me a favor, and don't alter all my PM's. Because we all now people were altering my posts. Doesn't give you a lot of credibility. BTW, you have some nerve comparing me to Sue Scheff. BTW, The Who, and I exchanged a few P.M.'s about all the crap I was receiving because I didn't agree with the majority here that all programs were bad. But that was over 4 months ago, and very briefly. It's not like we are buddy buddy! Come on re-read my PM's Zen. They are still sitting there, I don't bother to erase those things, because I have nothing to hide. But, keep in mind if you do decide to be a prick, and post them. It just reflects badly on fornits for allowing you to have access to such private information.
Also, it wasn't just 1 WWASP program I went through. I went through a total of 4 different programs. If you don't consider me a survivor having to endure being away from my family for 4 1/2 years going through everything I did, then what is your definition of being a "program survivor"? I'd be real curious to hear that one! Also, you obtained my name from fornits when I signed up. Either that or when I listed myself on classmates.com trying to find some of my long lost friends that met the same unfortunate fate that I did, to catch up on old times. I didn't sign up to have some fucking loser like yourself that likes to talk the talk, then can't walk the walk, then threaten to spread my name all over this board. How truly pathetic you are. Get a life buddy!
BTW, having my name listed, and having my picture put up on here (thanks to Niles, oh well someone posted yours too), at first it kinda pissed me off, I'll be honest, I wasn't real comfortable having that information just hanging out here. But, I figure if there hasn't been anyone murdered by an angry fornits poster yet, and I am talking about all Ed-Con's to Program Owners to random prickish staff that taunted some of us, and made our lives a living hell, then the chances of someone coming after me, are slim, to none.
If someone does decide to, then hey, when it's your time, it's your time! But, don't think for one second I am not aware of my surroundings. I also have a few family members that are in law enforcement, also some detectives that are undercover in the narcotics division, and it really is not a big deal to have my phones tapped, calls traced, or whatever it takes to find out who you are, and press charges. So, if you like stuff like that on your record, enjoy spending time in court, or love being behind bars, then go for it. I just pick up the phone and make one call, and that starts the ball in motion. So, please make sure this is really what you want to do. If you decide to show up at my house, first of all you would have to make it through security. If you did that, then my dogs would alert me, which then I would proceed to grab my husbands gun, and then I would have to blow your brains out all over my pretty house. Sorry, I am not nice like some people who might aim for a leg to disable you. I aim with the intent to kill.
I really like the majority of the people on here even though we have are disagreements. There are just a few of you that no matter what I say, or do, I will always be on their shit list! Oh well, that's the way it goes.
That's the saddest thing I've read of late. No one had the right to put you through that. Any bullshit justifications for doing so because of your opinions on programs are grunts from bullies with conveniently emergent senses of morality.
But, can I ask you something?
Did you post what Zen says you did?
Did Zen post info which made it possible to identify you to fornits posters?
What exactly did he post, as he has altered it from the original?
What did he say to you when he posted it—what was he trying to get you to do?
How did he track you down?
What is your side of the story?
Not everyone gets a kick out of hurting you, and rather think the people who do so are no better than raging kids in group who use you for emotional and, frankly, sexual kicks.
And the insanity of reporting you to the police for "stalking"! He'd be laughed away from the station, of course, but how grotesque to attempt to manipulate the the legal system to crucify an innocent?...Not to mention, his lunacy makes survivors look unreliable when associated with one is so delusional and involved with scheming, dishonest orchestrations.
"Let others speak ill of me, let others spite me;
Those who try to burn the sky with a torch end in tiring themselves out;
I listen to them and taste their evil-speaking as nectar;
All melts away and I find myself suddenly within the Unthinkable itself."
Yoka Daishi
"Song of Enlightenment"
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Zen's first name is "Kevin".
Considering that's all he posted about you, CCM, that makes you two even.
Now shut the fuck up, CCM. You get into more than disagreements, and you go anonymous to take shitty shots at people you develop unreasonable hatreds for. I guess you go anon because your own faults are well known to all and easily pointed out.
I've never been in a program. I'm not the parent of a kid from a program. And I'll post as much as I want.
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I didn't post her info. Why do you keep saying I did?
Was it sadistic for her to attack my entire family, Isa?
This is the biggest crock of shit I have ever read! This is wrong, wrong, wrong, you are outright lying. Are you serious about me googling Zen Agent???? I would never in a million years have done anything of the such! Vic Leathers?!! Huh? WHUT???? I don't know what the hell you are talking about? Me attacking your family? I didn't even know before yesterday that you were a man! Notice that in the last emails I never even use the words he/she. I didn't even know you had a wife, and a daughter till I saw you posting on the shout box that she has even asked you to drop this whole thing. I have to got to work very early this morning which sucks because it Saturday, but whatever! Point being, my husband just came into the office, and I literally for the first time had to explain to him what was going on here. This was something I have kept from him because I didn't want him involved. He doesn't understand what I went through, and sometimes it's too damn hard to explain to someone why after 20 years you are still dealing with things. Even though I've come a long ways. So, I just had to explain to him about the threat of our information being released. So, now I have him trippin because now he wants to take action which is the whole fucking thing I wanted to avoid. This really sucks. Dammit.
As far as The Who giving you all that information, or him coming to you for my personal information. I think people are smart enough to know that's not The Who's agenda getting program survivors names, and addresses. I know you hate the Who Zen. But, nobody is going to believe you. I don't care what emails you create, or whatever. You lack credibility.
So, you all have a great weekend. Mine now is totally screwed since I get to go to work then start dealing with all this crap when I get home. That's great.
For your own well being, CCM, I suggest you learn that anything you post anywhere is easily retrievable with the right context and the ability to use boolean strings with "Google". You need to learn how to not let things slip.
I'll gladly help you in any way I can if you just ask.
Thanks Niles, I will postpone my computer class, lol!!!! Look Niles, the problem I have is that you all figured out who I was by doing some investigating. Investigating with the information I gave to fornits. Not you, or Zen, or anyone else when I signed up. I didn't throw it out here on this board for everyone to see, as a survivor of the programs, I shared some personal information, which I never wanted traced back to me. Even after you got my name, you yourself then googled my name somehow getting you to classmates.com which is where those two pictures of me were posted. The ones that you ended up posting on here. That made me feel uncomfortable since I pretty much look the same, and I am sure my stories that I shared here rang bells even after all those years.
Then having my name posted. Then being threatened that all my personal information, along with my husbands name, my families names, and where we all live, that that information was going to be posted for all to see??? Someone actually went as far as to do a criminal background check on me? God, talk about a great bed time story. That would've put even the worst insomniac to sleep in a nano second.
So, yeah. I have a problem with that. Let the fuckers out there that are raking in millions do the dirty work. Not you guys here! But let me tell you, that is now too late. You have a problem with me? I recommend you be a real man, or woman, and come to me with it. Don't be an asshole, and take my information that wasn't personally given to you, or Zen, and blab it all over this board, and post my pictures for all to see That's wrong. I've forgiven you Niles, but we talked for what?????? About two hours?!!!! And by the way, that wasn't off peak minutes baby, lol!!!! I let you say everything you wanted to say to me. Why you disagreed with me. Then, I was able to clarify things with you that you had misunderstood. That's the only reason that you are halfway okay with me here, is you know, I am not a horrible person. We had a real conversation.
As for Zen, I have zero respect for you. You've proven yourself to be a compulsive liar. Half the stuff you have been saying here are all lies, lies, and more lies. I have never lied EVER on this board. I have had somethings I had to retract because of getting outed. So as for you, there is no way I would even waste my time with you. I did put a $100 bounty on your head to get your name. For me to know. Not to broadcast it here, or on the internet. It makes me a little sick to my stomach that you have basically been acting like a sadistic freak towards me ever since Niles posted my picture. I have to tell you, I see red flashing signs saying DANGER!
On a side note nobody should ever be banned from this board. But I also think that only the responsible, and mature people should be able to have access to all our information. That has not been happening. Otherwise, I wouldn't have to be dealing with this crap.
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Just can't keep the ole trap shut can you?
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Zen's first name is "Kevin".
Considering that's all he posted about you, CCM, that makes you two even.
Now shut the fuck up, CCM. You get into more than disagreements, and you go anonymous to take shitty shots at people you develop unreasonable hatreds for. I guess you go anon because your own faults are well known to all and easily pointed out.
I've never been in a program. I'm not the parent of a kid from a program. And I'll post as much as I want.
Then what the hell brings you to this board? I don't get it???? I am not out there joining the Knitters of America board? Whatever floats your boat though. People who actually have control of this board are NOT backing up your claims, or Zens claims of me posting anon because it's a lie. I am not responding to anymore of these accusations of me posting anon. It's so ridiculous.
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Thank God for the ignore user feature!
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Just can't keep the ole trap shut can you?
Okay, all I can say is someone needs to post that picture of Jack Nicholsen from a Few Good Men saying.................."YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!"
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Thank God for the ignore user feature!
You told people on the shout board that your wife wanted you to let this all go? Do me a favor, and listen to your wife.
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Zen's first name is "Kevin".
Considering that's all he posted about you, CCM, that makes you two even.
Now shut the fuck up, CCM. You get into more than disagreements, and you go anonymous to take shitty shots at people you develop unreasonable hatreds for. I guess you go anon because your own faults are well known to all and easily pointed out.
I've never been in a program. I'm not the parent of a kid from a program. And I'll post as much as I want.
Then what the hell brings you to this board? I don't get it???? I am not out there joining the Knitters of America board? Whatever floats your boat though. People who actually have control of this board are NOT backing up your claims, or Zens claims of me posting anon because it's a lie. I am not responding to anymore of these accusations of me posting anon. It's so ridiculous.
Personal disgust at the industry.
Sen. George Miller wasn't in a program.
Philip Elberg wasn't in a program.
Niles wasn't in a program - and props to him for dealing with your B.S. He's offended by something he knows to be truly wrong and wants to change it.
By trying to keep people from no experience from learning about the industry here, you're doing the WHO's work. It's a difficult subject for those with no experience to understand, I KNOW. If the outside world doesn't learn about these programs, then nothing can change.
But I guess that's what you want.
By the way, there's a big, big difference between what a knitting group discusses and what Fornits discusses. Get a clue from somewhere.
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A poster accused Zenagent of sexual abuse, being an alcoholic, and failure, upsetting him. He demanded the poster’s IP. It wasn’t revealed, but it’s repulsive that an accused abuser, who demanded the ID of their complainant- as if they had the right to that info- is now a moderator. Moderating powers should not be given to people who do not recognize ethical boundaries concerning privacy. Only people who don’t use their powers to obtain IPs as a method of handling detractors triggering personal insecurities, should be moderators. Zen’s powers should be strictly limited, or removed.
Mike having an ip collection is creepy, as is che “abusing his powers to check on ips.” This issue should be addressed. Moderators should have no more right to check ips for personal aims than regular posters
There needs to be mechanical limitations on moderator powers and these should publicly posted.
Okay, talk about freaky! This is a post a guest wrote way, way back in this thread that I just finally fully read, and comprehended. I know that takes a while for me folks, lol!!!! But, I find it interesting that I am getting the same vibes from this ZEN guy. Can we make sure at least people like this don't have access to our information? Please pretty please! Can we be more responsible about that? I beg of you!!!!!!!!!
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Zen's first name is "Kevin".
Considering that's all he posted about you, CCM, that makes you two even.
Now shut the fuck up, CCM. You get into more than disagreements, and you go anonymous to take shitty shots at people you develop unreasonable hatreds for. I guess you go anon because your own faults are well known to all and easily pointed out.
I've never been in a program. I'm not the parent of a kid from a program. And I'll post as much as I want.
Then what the hell brings you to this board? I don't get it???? I am not out there joining the Knitters of America board? Whatever floats your boat though. People who actually have control of this board are NOT backing up your claims, or Zens claims of me posting anon because it's a lie. I am not responding to anymore of these accusations of me posting anon. It's so ridiculous.
Personal disgust at the industry.
Sen. George Miller wasn't in a program.
Philip Elberg wasn't in a program.
Niles wasn't in a program - and props to him for dealing with your B.S. He's offended by something he knows to be truly wrong and wants to change it.
By trying to keep people from no experience from learning about the industry here, you're doing the WHO's work. It's a difficult subject for those with no experience to understand, I KNOW. If the outside world doesn't learn about these programs, then nothing can change.
But I guess that's what you want.
By the way, there's a big, big difference between what a knitting group discusses and what Fornits discusses. Get a clue from somewhere.
Sen. George Miller got involved because he holds a public office, and it's his JOB to address these issues, and concerns of the people. There were issues that were brought to his attention about the TTI, and the abuses that were going on there. What? You think he woke up one day, and went......"oh, I think I am going to spend some time, and investigate the Troubled Teen Industry???"
As far as Niles goes.......for a long time I had nooooooooooo clue why the hell he was here. He later told me that he had a very good friend who went through all this B.S.
As far as Philip Elberg goes?????????? I have no clue who this guy is?
NEXT!
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CCM, Phil Elberg is a lawyer who has won some big settlements against the industry (google "lulu corter").
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I would like to add - shut up, Miranda. You're a troll, everyone knows it. If you're going to act like an asshole, people have a right to address your bullshit. But you hide.
Psy, can the ignore feature be set to block the IP of the person being ignored, so I don't have to read her shit when she "slips under the radar"?
Does CCM really stand for "Crack Craving Miranda"?
Yeah...she's a survivor, alright. Against WWASP, but pro-program, just like Sue Scheff. Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who. I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
How did I "out" somebody? If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game. Dude. By the way, I can't see anyone's IP. There's a good reason for that, because I would abuse that privilege to "out" you. Just being honest.
Once again, the ignore feature is useless as long as the ignored slip by as anons. Block their IP's so they're truly ignored. Thewho and CCM are so desperate to be noticed, they'll do anything to get attention. That's truly pathetic, trollish activity.
I am so desperate to be noticed that in the last 6 months I have posted maybe a total of 10 times? I love the fact you have access to my PM's too, and are threatening to post them. The things is, I could give 2 shits less, so be my guest. I haven't used that feature in 4 months, and before that rarely. Just do me a favor, and don't alter all my PM's. Because we all now people were altering my posts. Doesn't give you a lot of credibility. BTW, you have some nerve comparing me to Sue Scheff. BTW, The Who, and I exchanged a few P.M.'s about all the crap I was receiving because I didn't agree with the majority here that all programs were bad. But that was over 4 months ago, and very briefly. It's not like we are buddy buddy! Come on re-read my PM's Zen. They are still sitting there, I don't bother to erase those things, because I have nothing to hide. But, keep in mind if you do decide to be a prick, and post them. It just reflects badly on fornits for allowing you to have access to such private information.
Also, it wasn't just 1 WWASP program I went through. I went through a total of 4 different programs. If you don't consider me a survivor having to endure being away from my family for 4 1/2 years going through everything I did, then what is your definition of being a "program survivor"? I'd be real curious to hear that one! Also, you obtained my name from fornits when I signed up. Either that or when I listed myself on classmates.com trying to find some of my long lost friends that met the same unfortunate fate that I did, to catch up on old times. I didn't sign up to have some fucking loser like yourself that likes to talk the talk, then can't walk the walk, then threaten to spread my name all over this board. How truly pathetic you are. Get a life buddy!
BTW, having my name listed, and having my picture put up on here (thanks to Niles, oh well someone posted yours too), at first it kinda pissed me off, I'll be honest, I wasn't real comfortable having that information just hanging out here. But, I figure if there hasn't been anyone murdered by an angry fornits poster yet, and I am talking about all Ed-Con's to Program Owners to random prickish staff that taunted some of us, and made our lives a living hell, then the chances of someone coming after me, are slim, to none.
If someone does decide to, then hey, when it's your time, it's your time! But, don't think for one second I am not aware of my surroundings. I also have a few family members that are in law enforcement, also some detectives that are undercover in the narcotics division, and it really is not a big deal to have my phones tapped, calls traced, or whatever it takes to find out who you are, and press charges. So, if you like stuff like that on your record, enjoy spending time in court, or love being behind bars, then go for it. I just pick up the phone and make one call, and that starts the ball in motion. So, please make sure this is really what you want to do. If you decide to show up at my house, first of all you would have to make it through security. If you did that, then my dogs would alert me, which then I would proceed to grab my husbands gun, and then I would have to blow your brains out all over my pretty house. Sorry, I am not nice like some people who might aim for a leg to disable you. I aim with the intent to kill.
I really like the majority of the people on here even though we have are disagreements. There are just a few of you that no matter what I say, or do, I will always be on their shit list! Oh well, that's the way it goes.
That's the saddest thing I've read of late. No one had the right to put you through that. Any bullshit justifications for doing so because of your opinions on programs are grunts from bullies with conveniently emergent senses of morality.
But, can I ask you something?
Did you post what Zen says you did?
Did Zen post info which made it possible to identify you to fornits posters?
What exactly did he post, as he has altered it from the original?
What did he say to you when he posted it—what was he trying to get you to do?
How did he track you down?
What is your side of the story?
Not everyone gets a kick out of hurting you, and rather think the people who do so are no better than raging kids in group who use you for emotional and, frankly, sexual kicks.
And the insanity of reporting you to the police for "stalking"! He'd be laughed away from the station, of course, but how grotesque to attempt to manipulate the the legal system to crucify an innocent?...Not to mention, his lunacy makes survivors look unreliable when associated with one is so delusional and involved with scheming, dishonest orchestrations.
"Let others speak ill of me, let others spite me;
Those who try to burn the sky with a torch end in tiring themselves out;
I listen to them and taste their evil-speaking as nectar;
All melts away and I find myself suddenly within the Unthinkable itself."
Yoka Daishi
"Song of Enlightenment"
"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing" - The Qur'an
What I cannot STAND is the double standard here. I cannot STAND the group-think involved in defending a PROGRAM PARENT’S decision to "out" a survivor for sadistic “satisfaction” and dominance. I am repulsed by the sexual and spiritual dehumanization of this young lady to where this survivor is "fair game" for abuse; like a “bad” program-kid.
I ask people to look beyond their personal relationships and into what is right and what is wrong. This eternal standard does not disappear when the person is a degraded, scapegoated survivor, and the assailant an acquaintance. No, giving what is supposedly his first name of his own free will does not make it even. Make it possible for the general public to completely identify him - which is what he did- and his complete name so ccm girl can get full entrée into his psyche for full domination/intimidation effect.
As for you Zen, you write graphic sexually degrading ballads of "crack craving miranda's" rape of her husband, of her whorish, worthless, stupidity, and of all kinds of slander direct from your ass, for shits and giggles; don't produce a quote to imply it’s bad it is to be mean to YOU, with self-pitying righteousness. It's obscene. I am dumbfounded by the hypocrisy and tone deafness to the ethical reality of the situation.
It's true; the biggest bullies have the thinnest skins. And more frighteningly, a sociopathic ability to rationalize evil, their “right” to commit it, while maintaining an unyielding, sensitive code governing how people have the “right” to treat them.
CCM girl, answer my numerated questions when you get a chance. Post the link to the thread where this crap transpired, Check your pms. Not everyone thinks it’s ok to rape you for lulz ,and is contemptuous when you cry, and protest afterwards.
This is why I always post anon. I always figured it would be the cult leaders that would do the dirty dealings, not a program parent supposedly on the right side.
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You know I'm coming to wreck your life.
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You know I'm coming to wreck your life.
Wake up, time to die!
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A poster accused Zenagent of sexual abuse, being an alcoholic, and failure, upsetting him. He demanded the poster’s IP. It wasn’t revealed, but it’s repulsive that an accused abuser, who demanded the ID of their complainant- as if they had the right to that info- is now a moderator. Moderating powers should not be given to people who do not recognize ethical boundaries concerning privacy. Only people who don’t use their powers to obtain IPs as a method of handling detractors triggering personal insecurities, should be moderators. Zen’s powers should be strictly limited, or removed.
Mike having an ip collection is creepy, as is che “abusing his powers to check on ips.” This issue should be addressed. Moderators should have no more right to check ips for personal aims than regular posters
There needs to be mechanical limitations on moderator powers and these should publicly posted.
Okay, talk about freaky! This is a post a guest wrote way, way back in this thread that I just finally fully read, and comprehended. I know that takes a while for me folks, lol!!!! But, I find it interesting that I am getting the same vibes from this ZEN guy. Can we make sure at least people like this don't have access to our information? Please pretty please! Can we be more responsible about that? I beg of you!!!!!!!!!
You're accusing the guy of sexual abuse, alcoholism and failure based on "vibes"? At least what he posted about you was accurate and came from your own lack of discretion on the internet. It certainly didn't defame you. If he were truly malicious, he would have posted your info in full. Get over yourself. You threatened him once that you were going to be "in his neck of the woods" and wanted to confront him, implying you knew where he lived. Don't cry "foul" - you've done far, far worse, logged in and anonymously.
"Freaky"? I'd say. Now you think every anon poster is Zen. How ironic.
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A poster accused Zenagent of sexual abuse, being an alcoholic, and failure, upsetting him. He demanded the poster’s IP. It wasn’t revealed, but it’s repulsive that an accused abuser, who demanded the ID of their complainant- as if they had the right to that info- is now a moderator. Moderating powers should not be given to people who do not recognize ethical boundaries concerning privacy. Only people who don’t use their powers to obtain IPs as a method of handling detractors triggering personal insecurities, should be moderators. Zen’s powers should be strictly limited, or removed.
Mike having an ip collection is creepy, as is che “abusing his powers to check on ips.” This issue should be addressed. Moderators should have no more right to check ips for personal aims than regular posters
There needs to be mechanical limitations on moderator powers and these should publicly posted.
Okay, talk about freaky! This is a post a guest wrote way, way back in this thread that I just finally fully read, and comprehended. I know that takes a while for me folks, lol!!!! But, I find it interesting that I am getting the same vibes from this ZEN guy. Can we make sure at least people like this don't have access to our information? Please pretty please! Can we be more responsible about that? I beg of you!!!!!!!!!
You're accusing the guy of sexual abuse, alcoholism and failure based on "vibes"? At least what he posted about you was accurate and came from your own lack of discretion on the internet. It certainly didn't defame you. If he were truly malicious, he would have posted your info in full. Get over yourself. You threatened him once that you were going to be "in his neck of the woods" and wanted to confront him, implying you knew where he lived. Don't cry "foul" - you've done far, far worse, logged in and anonymously.
"Freaky"? I'd say. Now you think every anon poster is Zen. How ironic.
I never said every anon poster was ZEN? Look, this has become a complete waste of time. There is no reason for me to stick around. If ,and when fornits gets back to the way it used to be, then maybe I will come back. It's pretty unfortunate I think that we've let a handful of posters take control of this site. There are plenty of other sites that I can go to where I will not receive this kind of treatment, and have a mature conversation about the TTI. There are people who are making a difference out there. I look forward to being one of those people.
Just like I have devoted a lot of my time to PETA. I even went out, and protested the Stockton Circus put on by B & B. I felt good about what I did. It was tough to have a bunch of people hurling insults at me, but all I really cared about was these poor animals that were living life on the road only being let out of their cages when they were forced to perform. I was able to educate people on the abuse. So, it was worth having people angry with me, and calling me names. I was able to open a lot of peoples eyes, even if they didn't agree with me at the moment, I know they went home, and thought about what I was saying. Hopefully the numbers of people attending the circus every year will continue to dwindle. I was able to make a difference. I don't think people take this site seriously anymore. So, I can't do any good, and I am no longer able to make a difference. I just see the number of programs, and schools growing. I'm wasting my time trying to defend myself here.
It had been a while since I had even posted here, and look what happens when I do. I've met some people on here that I really like, and respect. Who have done things that do make a difference in all this mess. It's just the few of you X however many identities you've taken on X your numerous Guest/Anon postings that I really don't want to deal with anymore.
I miss the days when we had really good debates here. I learned a lot. Too bad that is not the case anymore.
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I still haven't seen any proof Zen posted anyone's name, details of their family, addresses. Are you being a drama queen, CCM? Also, you claim the Who wouldn't hang out a program survivor to dry? Be careful who you ally yourself with.
Did the Who offer Zen info he claimed you had about Zen if he posted info about you?
Did you offer money for Zen's identity?
This drama seems largely contrived and founded on an attempt to smear a vocal opponent of the whole TT industry. CCM girl 1989 and the Who want to protect their interests in the industry, whether personal or financial.
I still need to see where Zen Agent posted details of your extended family and address. If he has access to IP addresses, it still wouldn't make it easy to get detailed information like that.
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A poster accused Zenagent of sexual abuse, being an alcoholic, and failure, upsetting him. He demanded the poster’s IP. It wasn’t revealed, but it’s repulsive that an accused abuser, who demanded the ID of their complainant- as if they had the right to that info- is now a moderator. Moderating powers should not be given to people who do not recognize ethical boundaries concerning privacy. Only people who don’t use their powers to obtain IPs as a method of handling detractors triggering personal insecurities, should be moderators. Zen’s powers should be strictly limited, or removed.
Mike having an ip collection is creepy, as is che “abusing his powers to check on ips.” This issue should be addressed. Moderators should have no more right to check ips for personal aims than regular posters
There needs to be mechanical limitations on moderator powers and these should publicly posted.
You're accusing the guy of sexual abuse, alcoholism and failure based on "vibes"? At least what he posted about you was accurate and came from your own lack of discretion on the internet. It certainly didn't defame you. If he were truly malicious, he would have posted your info in full. Get over yourself. You threatened him once that you were going to be "in his neck of the woods" and wanted to confront him, implying you knew where he lived. Don't cry "foul" - you've done far, far worse, logged in and anonymously.
"Freaky"? I'd say. Now you think every anon poster is Zen. How ironic.
You don’t know what she wrote anon. YOU, Zen and everyone’s “nasty.” Is it OK to post Zen’s and any survivor’s name, address, and family’s names I GUESS is you, then?
You’re so entranced in your superiority to CCM that you’ve become group leaders, deeming a survivor bad, breaking her down sexually, and divulging private info to publicly shame and control her.
This drama seems largely contrived and founded on an attempt to smear a vocal opponent of the whole TT industry. CCM girl 1989 and the Who want to protect their interests in the industry, whether personal or financial.
As to ccmgirl objecting to her mistreatment as part of a conspiracy “against zen” you are SO self aggrandizing, and shamefully callous to the rights we have concerning our bodies, spirits and privacy
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I still haven't seen any proof Zen posted anyone's name, details of their family, addresses. Are you being a drama queen, CCM? Also, you claim the Who wouldn't hang out a program survivor to dry? Be careful who you ally yourself with.
It’s hard to post “proof” because Zen has EDITED the relevant post, the search function doesn’t work, and google doesn’t link this forum correctly.
But, this guest quotes the post and notes he had to erase CCM's names that Zen put up:
Quoted for those who are unfamiliar with ZenAgent's tactics. He is willing to reveal CCM's full name and husband's name, just because he is mad at TheWho and perceives CCM as TheWho's ally. I removed the names he posted.
Zen admits he’s deleting stuff:
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
Here Zen admits tracking down her address, name, and pictures, and posting "fair game":
How did I "out" somebody? If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game
And he is so obsessed and getting “satisfaction” by hurting her, he threatens to maneuver the authorities into penalizing her for “stalking.”
Seeing as how CCM offered money for my info, which is stalking, I've got her address to send the cops to without having to ask around, huh?
He writes how he got info from PMs for pertinent info,
I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
The Who says he gave zen info he misused. Zen used info from the who, or by accessing her IP to "out" her.
Anyway you slice it, a PROGRAM PARENT outed a survivor, to humiliate her, and as a means of coercion.
Even if he didn’t post her every last detail, he posted enough so that it’s anyone interested in positively I.D’ing can do so.
CCm girl says her name and personal details were put up, and though some dismiss her complaints a bad-whore drama-queen “trying to get attention,” as survivors are dismissed by authorities when they report abuse, I BELIEVE HER.
Psy, please link to the controversial thread, and can you see what he posted before he edited it?
Also, can mods see the ips of people who post in their forums?
Including Zen?
This is salient because it relates to the safety of posting here-which almost NO ONE does anymore, because of shit like this.
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Well since this following link is posted on the internet in a public manner:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... =204742076 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=204742076)
this is the myspace profile of Zen's step daughter Siobahn.
Dear Zen,
Go suck more cocks for treating one of my fellow wwasp survivors like shit. I don't agree with everything CCM Girl says, but you can go to fucking hell for the shit you've done and said about her.
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hey wwasptwats. if you have a problem with the facts or any questions at all, call 1800 EAT SHIT. our operators are standing by. piss on you
much love,
Roamin Foster
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I still haven't seen any proof Zen posted anyone's name, details of their family, addresses. Are you being a drama queen, CCM? Also, you claim the Who wouldn't hang out a program survivor to dry? Be careful who you ally yourself with.
It’s hard to post “proof” because Zen has EDITED the relevant post, the search function doesn’t work, and google doesn’t link this forum correctly.
But, this guest quotes the post and notes he had to erase CCM's names that Zen put up:
Quoted for those who are unfamiliar with ZenAgent's tactics. He is willing to reveal CCM's full name and husband's name, just because he is mad at TheWho and perceives CCM as TheWho's ally. I removed the names he posted.
Zen admits he’s deleting stuff:
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
Here Zen admits tracking down her address, name, and pictures, and posting "fair game":
How did I "out" somebody? If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game
And he is so obsessed and getting “satisfaction” by hurting her, he threatens to maneuver the authorities into penalizing her for “stalking.”
Seeing as how CCM offered money for my info, which is stalking, I've got her address to send the cops to without having to ask around, huh?
He writes how he got info from PMs for pertinent info,
I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
The Who says he gave zen info he misused. Zen used info from the who, or by accessing her IP to "out" her.
Anyway you slice it, a PROGRAM PARENT outed a survivor, to humiliate her, and as a means of coercion.
Even if he didn’t post her every last detail, he posted enough so that it’s anyone interested in positively I.D’ing can do so.
CCm girl says her name and personal details were put up, and though some dismiss her complaints a bad-whore drama-queen “trying to get attention,” as survivors are dismissed by authorities when they report abuse, I BELIEVE HER.
Psy, please link to the controversial thread, and can you see what he posted before he edited it?
Also, can mods see the ips of people who post in their forums?
Including Zen?
This is salient because it relates to the safety of posting here-which almost NO ONE does anymore, because of shit like this.
Dude! You base your shit on what thewho said? CCMgirl's name is posted on antiwwasp, you shold know that. dumbass. she used to sign her posts with her first name.
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Sibo said mean things to me anonymously. I know that as a FACT. And someone related to her said mean things. So posting this picture's fair.
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Siobhan Marie Niall Mulligan- full name.
Your fault for not having discrescion on the internet. ;D
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CCM Girl wrote:
As for Zen, I have zero respect for you. You've proven yourself to be a compulsive liar. Half the stuff you have been saying here are all lies, lies, and more lies. I have never lied EVER on this board. I have had somethings I had to retract because of getting outed. So as for you, there is no way I would even waste my time with you. I did put a $100 bounty on your head to get your name. For me to know. Not to broadcast it here, or on the internet. It makes me a little sick to my stomach that you have basically been acting like a sadistic freak towards me ever since Niles posted my picture. I have to tell you, I see red flashing signs saying DANGER
What things did you have to "retract" CCM Girl?
Did you post things that weren't true when your identity was unknown?
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Siobhan Marie Niall Mulligan- full name.
Your fault for not having discrescion on the internet. ;D
THIS IS JUST WRONG !!!!
Admin needs to delete this now!!!!!
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and ccmgirls photos and all the slander, and posting of supposedly private info like drug addiction found through investigation while we're at it?
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and ccmgirls photos and all the slander, and posting of supposedly private info like drug addiction found through investigation while we're at it?
ever since Niles posted my picture.
Who are you actually trying to attack? I'm confused - is it Niles or Zen?
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Niles, Zen Agent and CCM "girl" are adults.
Why drag a teen girl program survivor into this?
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Niles, Zen Agent and CCM "girl" are adults.
Why drag a teen girl program survivor into this?
Cos this is fornits, where people are proud to act like assholes.. don't make me biatchslap you, shitbag.
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I never even saw zen's post. if he ever did it ,he deleted it quick. All I found was something from the who, and I ain't trusting him - he says he changed it, anyway. No one's posted any proof zen did anything wrong, so this seems over the top and more than a little psychotic. That's fornits.
Who posted this? I don't see the justice. this person, if it is zen's daughter, is a non combatant, basically. I dunno. There's only one person i can think of who would have done this, and it ain't ccm or the who.
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Won't someone guess? And please be specific.... ;D
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All of this is all completely outrageous. Whoever posted that is truly a sick individual. I myself, am resigning from posting on Fornits anymore, I used to believe in this website, but it seems everyday now, I get more and more disgusted. Its a shame, really a damn shame.
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All of this is all completely outrageous. Whoever posted that is truly a sick individual. I myself, am resigning from posting on Fornits anymore, I used to believe in this website, but it seems everyday now, I get more and more disgusted. Its a shame, really a damn shame.
This is the open free for all forum, honey!
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All of this is all completely outrageous. Whoever posted that is truly a sick individual. I myself, am resigning from posting on Fornits anymore, I used to believe in this website, but it seems everyday now, I get more and more disgusted. Its a shame, really a damn shame.
This is the open free for all forum, honey!
Yes, but where is the person you've posted? Unaware, I hope?
Truly a new low.
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Why is it Fornits fault this pic was posted? People need to remember that Fornits has no accountability because it's not a thinking, breathing thing. It's fluid. Now if you want to impose more rules and regulations upon the board in an attempt to control the behavior of someone (e.g. the person who posted the pic) who lacks a conscious and therefore, can not be controlled, well ... I think you can see that's a fruitless endeavor.
Bailing out of Fornits because you no longer "trust" it is ridiculous. Fornits has served it's purpose well and will continue to do regardless of how any one person or persons feel about it's value. Don't post personal information about yourself on the Internet and there's a good chance it won't end up here. Don't reveal private information about yourself or others in PM's or communicate by IM with people you meet on Fornits if you don't want to see your convo posted on Fornits or anywhere else.
What's sad is how quick people are to blame Fornits instead of realizing that as long as people have no moral compass and abide only by their own rules, moving the goal post to accomodate/advance their personal agenda, this kind of shit is gonna happen. It's the nature of the beast.
To those who see nothing wrong with posting these pictures, I would ask you to consider how you would feel if it was you or your family member being victimized by someone who has to hide behind a proxxy because they are weasels.
It does suck and I feel bad for the parties involved. But I don't blame Fornits. I blame the people who have no integrity, no ethics, no morals. In short, the scourge of humanity.
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Why is it Fornits fault this pic was posted? People need to remember that Fornits has no accountability because it's not a thinking, breathing thing. It's fluid. Now if you want to impose more rules and regulations upon the board in an attempt to control the behavior of someone (e.g. the person who posted the pic) who lacks a conscious and therefore, can not be controlled, well ... I think you can see that's a fruitless endeavor.
Bailing out of Fornits because you no longer "trust" it is ridiculous. Fornits has served it's purpose well and will continue to do regardless of how any one person or persons feel about it's value. Don't post personal information about yourself on the Internet and there's a good chance it won't end up here. Don't reveal private information about yourself or others in PM's or communicate by IM with people you meet on Fornits if you don't want to see your convo posted on Fornits or anywhere else.
What's sad is how quick people are to blame Fornits instead of realizing that as long as people have no moral compass and abide only by their own rules, moving the goal post to accomodate/advance their personal agenda, this kind of shit is gonna happen. It's the nature of the beast.
To those who see nothing wrong with posting these pictures, I would ask you to consider how you would feel if it was you or your family member being victimized by someone who has to hide behind a proxxy because they are weasels.
It does suck and I feel bad for the parties involved. But I don't blame Fornits. I blame the people who have no integrity, no ethics, no morals. In short, the scourge of humanity.
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Well said.
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Sometimes I am tired of what I am reading here on Fornits. Then I devote some time to Fornits wiki and improve it by finding info somewhere else than Fornits.
Fornits used to be the place where news about the abuse in programs were uncovered. Survivors came to tell their story about good and bad in programs. There is good in any program - there are other survivors, who know how you feel and in some programs this is the only thing.
But lately Fornits have been more about trying to shot out those people who have a different view than your self. It is OK to disagree with people and then you argument with facts. That is the way I work addressing politicians in the Danish parliament. I disagree with most of them but I can still write to them civilized and even talk with them in person without getting angry.
Programs are in general not something that can benefit people if they don't agree to the treatment before entering and the information channels to the outside remains open.
There is nothing wrong by dealing with a problem and what works for me doesn't work for everyone. So what I could find as execellent treatment could be something other would leave after the first word is spoken and then they should have this right.
But you have to ask your self some questions:
Who buys the program? Would they read threads on this forum?
Who ends up in the programs? Would they read threads on this forum?
Who would seek deprogramming here if they are bashed just they think that there was good elements in their programs?
Parents won't seek advice here if they are bashed before they explain how some of them are forced by authorities to banish their own child to a program.
I will continue my break from the forum and consentrate to uncover any dirt which is sweaped under the carpet on Fornits Wiki only.
Maybe one day you are finished bashed each other instead of fighting programs with every legal mean possible.
Maybe one day you are prepared to accept that we are not living in a dictatorship and respect that some people can be misguided and they need to be talked over with respect.
Until that my break will continue.
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Cover, did you see the info posted about Breakthrough Interventions? This info was posted on Fornits yesterday. As for your suggestion, in theory I agree but from a practical, real-life standpoint, it's simply not realistic to expect people, especially survivors of abuse, to feel any obligation to be kind to assholes. That includes parents of institutitonalized youth who are some of the most ignorant, emotionally abusive, mean-sprited people I've ever had the misfortune of coming across. Sometimes I think a "kick in the ass" *figuratively speaking* is exactly what they need. Those parents who demonstrate a sincere desire to open their minds and unconditionally love their children, will find they are treated with respect by survivors and others in a position to help them rescue their children and seek more appropriate ways to resolve conflict. Frankly, I have yet to see a so-called troubled teen who couldn't benefit from family counseling and therapy. The problem is many parents won't go to treatment and can not be forced to go. Far easier to blame the kid and raid their college fund or take a second out on the family home in order to feel better about themselves as good parents.
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BTW - thanks for all your hard work and dedication Coverg. You are doing an amazing job and are much appreciated!!!! Ditto Psy and others who volunteer their time and resources resolving technical issues and keeping certain forums from being hijacked and/or polluted with spam.
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Carsten, Settle:
I, too, share your frustration, but if you leave, nothing will change. Fornits is nothing more than the sum of it's parts. This forum is under attack now by a very bitter troll who posts as a whole bunch of people and whose entire agenda revolves around turning us against each other. Don't let that happen.
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And I'll chime in - it's over and done with, hard lessons learned all the way around. The Guest is wise who warned not to give out private info in PM's and emails. Unfortunately, the person who "delivered up" this information is someone we trusted a long time ago when we were desperate. This was not something stumbled upon, this person knew the names of my family members and betrayed the trust we had in him a long time ago, but lost a year ago. Now I have nothing but contempt for the guy, for using my step daughter to push his destructive agenda.
This person decided he would hand out "Karmic justice" without regard for anyone involved. It's over, and Psy is correct about this troll - actually it seems more like an "unholy trinity" of individuals - the desire is to disrupt, provoke anger, and divide.
It's over and done with.
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Who is this bitter troll and are they still preying on unsuspecting posters in an effort to push their divide and conquer agenda?
Is there some reason this troll can't be publically identified?
Lastly, are we to conclude that the Who was just ONE of this bitter troll's many aliases/personas?
Who's M.I.A. from Fornits? Maybe we need to start there?
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Who is this bitter troll and are they still preying on unsuspecting posters in an effort to push their divide and conquer agenda?
Is there some reason this troll can't be publically identified?
Lastly, are we to conclude that the Who was just ONE of this bitter troll's many aliases/personas?
Who's M.I.A. from Fornits? Maybe we need to start there?
Who's most conspicuous in their absence that isn't banned? It should be known, so no one else shares any info with the person.
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Carsten, Settle:
I, too, share your frustration, but if you leave, nothing will change. Fornits is nothing more than the sum of it's parts. This forum is under attack now by a very bitter troll who posts as a whole bunch of people and whose entire agenda revolves around turning us against each other. Don't let that happen.
it is too late as it already did.
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Who is this bitter troll and are they still preying on unsuspecting posters in an effort to push their divide and conquer agenda?
Is there some reason this troll can't be publically identified?
Forum rules.
Lastly, are we to conclude that the Who was just ONE of this bitter troll's many aliases/personas?
No. Pretty sure he's gone too.
Who's M.I.A. from Fornits? Maybe we need to start there?
You're not likely to guess correctly, and even if you did, I couldn't confirm or deny anything. Even if you guessed correctly, and I confirmed (which I could not do), what could be done? Banning is not feasible with this person even if Ginger would allow it.
Simply ignore and do not feed the trolls.
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It's about time someone served Zen Agent a nice big piece of humble pie.
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so another program parent finds out the hard way that its not such a good idea to go blabbering to anyone who will listen about their kid on the net. how many times has this happened already. this stuff should be basic common sense for anyone with half a brain. its not your right as a program parent go blabbering about your kid online though they cant seem to help themselves.
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so another program parent finds out the hard way that its not such a good idea to go blabbering to anyone who will listen about their kid on the net. how many times has this happened already. this stuff should be basic common sense for anyone with half a brain. its not your right as a program parent go blabbering about your kid online though they cant seem to help themselves.
How are you defining "program parent?"
Most posters know that Zen Agent and his wife did not place this girl who was exploited, by having her personal information posted on Fornits , in a program. She was placed in PV by her biological father.
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To anon regular - Zen is not a program parent. He is anti-program and a strong ally in the continuing effort to educate other parents about the TTI.
He has apologized for anything he said or did that may have been wrong or wrongly interpreted in terms of CCM, and that is good enough for me and I hope, CCM, because ultimately, I think each of them has alot to offer despite any differences they have in ideology. We aren't on autopilot.
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Why did ZEN wait until now to apologize to CCM? It would of seemed more sincere if it was done before he had the same thing done to him, that he did to another.
"This time it was my step daughter, and that was evil. Che decided he was judge and jury, and dispensed his own warped justice. " CCM has parents too, so according to ZEN, he is evil. How is what Che did different than what ZEN did? if it even was che, which I don't believe it was.
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Why did ZEN wait until now to apologize to CCM? It would of seemed more sincere if it was done before he had the same thing done to him, that he did to another.
"This time it was my step daughter, and that was evil. Che decided he was judge and jury, and dispensed his own warped justice. " CCM has parents too, so according to ZEN, he is evil. How is what Che did different than what ZEN did? if it even was che, which I don't believe it was.
Where is what I posted? Hmm...when is my step daughter's info coming down? Never, 'cos he posted as an anon. Quit trying to find a fight. When and how I apologize is my own business.
How is what Che did different than what ZEN did? if it even was che, which I don't believe it was.
Why don't you read back? He posted her name, pictures and a link to her myspace. I didn't post any of that shit.
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When and how I apologize is my own business.
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I never even saw zen's post. if he ever did it ,he deleted it quick. All I found was something from the who, and I ain't trusting him - he says he changed it, anyway. No one's posted any proof zen did anything wrong, so this seems over the top and more than a little psychotic. That's fornits.
Who posted this? I don't see the justice. this person, if it is zen's daughter, is a non combatant, basically. I dunno. There's only one person i can think of who would have done this, and it ain't ccm or the who.
CCM wasn’t anymore a “combatant” then that Iraqi puppy that soldier killed. Ccm came here to understand her life and connect, and “Kevin” viciously bullied her without reasonable justification. A person getting mugged isn’t a “combatant.”
Sorry to say, I followed that link. S.M’s adult...so saying it’s bad to out her, and kittens to out ccm ‘doesn’t jibe. And if one female was 5 and the other 30, does it really matter? What if “outing” ccm pushed her to suicide? People can be fragile- especially those buried in WWASPS for FIVE FUCKING years. There was no need to be evil to her.
ccm’s dehumanization continues- it enables people to think it’s peachy to out her (and her husband, sexually humiliate mock their appearance) but wrong to out this person. The same act can’t be ethical when done to one, and evil when done to another.
Someone wrote Karmas coming? I think he already visited, drunk your beer, and pissed on the carpet
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Shut up, Gookin. You don't think your cartoon isn't humiliating? You are inhuman, counselor.
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Shut up, Gookin. You don't think your cartoon isn't humiliating? You are inhuman, counselor.
My sentiments exactly. Go to hell, Aaron. You're scum for posting that shit about his Daughter, and you don't give a fuck about CCM either. Don't pretend you do.
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This drama is a group meeting. (Am I crazy to see all through program specs? Yes.)
Obnoxious “look goods” mercilessly emotionally disembowel a scapegoat (ccm) because they think she’s pure evil, when really her offences are petty, and their reactions, wicked.
The “look goods” get into trouble of some sort, and the scapegoat, suddenly, has some degree of sway which leads to opportunistic amends-making. (zen’s heartfelt apology) The same fluke causes them to betray loyalties and create new scapegoats, Che.
And then, the former scapegoat is welcomed into the groups loving arms? I’m just waiting for ccm girl to re-emerge, exchange heartfelt emails with “Kevin” and become his most vocal proponent. You know it’s gonna happen. Right?
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This drama is a group meeting. (Am I crazy to see all through program specs? Yes.)
Obnoxious “look goods” mercilessly emotionally disembowel a scapegoat (ccm) because they think she’s pure evil, when really her offences are petty, and their reactions, wicked.
The “look goods” get into trouble of some sort, and the scapegoat, suddenly, has some degree of sway which leads to opportunistic amends-making. (zen’s heartfelt apology) The same fluke causes them to betray loyalties and create new scapegoats, Che.
[posted proof here for the above poster to see]
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I'm not aaron, and I wasn't referring to you psy. Red my post more carefully
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I'm not aaron, and I wasn't referring to you psy. Red my post more carefully
Regardless. You're claiming that Che is a scapegoat. Just isn't true. He's guilty as sin here.
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Well... are you sure? The thing is, you can find anyone's identity easily, if you have enough context. People found out ccm's id and posted it, the same goes for s. There's the white pages, civil searches. Just don't hang anyone out to dry prematurely.
I like che a lot, and why wouldn't he just post Z's info?
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Well... are you sure? The thing is, you can find anyone's identity easily, if you have enough context. People found out ccm's id and posted it, the same goes for s. There's the white pages, civil searches. Just don't hang anyone out to dry prematurely.
I like che a lot, and why wouldn't he just post Z's info?
Look... I didn't find this out through IPs but I am absolutely, positively sure he did it. Why? He wanted to piss Zen off. He's gone off the handle recently acting crazy. It seems as if he wants to turn everybody against each other... Why? no clue at all.
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Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too. Not enough info to threaten your privacy.
Actually, that does. In the bronzed, smooth internet age, that's all it takes. Moral of the story- New privacy laws.
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Well... are you sure? The thing is, you can find anyone's identity easily, if you have enough context. People found out ccm's id and posted it, the same goes for s. There's the white pages, civil searches. Just don't hang anyone out to dry prematurely.
I like che a lot, and why wouldn't he just post Z's info?
Look... I didn't find this out through IPs but I am absolutely, positively sure he did it. Why? He wanted to piss Zen off. He's gone off the handle recently acting crazy. It seems as if he wants to turn everybody against each other... Why? no clue at all.
this started months ago. some are just noticing.
his MO- befriend people. pull personal information out of them. use it to manipulate them. if they challenge him or don't follow his dictates he divulges their info. just like a good program staff.
he's run off a dozen or more people. now he's after the remaining regulars.
if he can't control the forum, he'll attempt to destroy it.
no, he doesn't give 2 shits about ccm, just using this opportunity to humiliate zen, who won't cowtow to his demands.
who will be next? how many more will he run off? or attempt to?
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Well... are you sure? The thing is, you can find anyone's identity easily, if you have enough context. People found out ccm's id and posted it, the same goes for s. There's the white pages, civil searches. Just don't hang anyone out to dry prematurely.
I like che a lot, and why wouldn't he just post Z's info?
Look... I didn't find this out through IPs but I am absolutely, positively sure he did it. Why? He wanted to piss Zen off. He's gone off the handle recently acting crazy. It seems as if he wants to turn everybody against each other... Why? no clue at all.
this started months ago. some are just noticing.
his MO- befriend people. pull personal information out of them. use it to manipulate them. if they challenge him or don't follow his dictates he divulges their info. just like a good program staff.
he's run off a dozen or more people. now he's after the remaining regulars.
if he can't control the forum, he'll attempt to destroy it.
no, he doesn't give 2 shits about ccm, just using this opportunity to humiliate zen, who won't cowtow to his demands.
who will be next? how many more will he run off? or attempt to?
I agree. Not sure when it will stop, though... A good start would be to start ignoring the guest poster"s" posting bullshit / misinformation.
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This drama is a group meeting. (Am I crazy to see all through program specs? Yes.)
Obnoxious “look goods” mercilessly emotionally disembowel a scapegoat (ccm) because they think she’s pure evil, when really her offences are petty, and their reactions, wicked.
The “look goods” get into trouble of some sort, and the scapegoat, suddenly, has some degree of sway which leads to opportunistic amends-making. (zen’s heartfelt apology) The same fluke causes them to betray loyalties and create new scapegoats, Che.
And then, the former scapegoat is welcomed into the groups loving arms? I’m just waiting for ccm girl to re-emerge, exchange heartfelt emails with “Kevin” and become his most vocal proponent. You know it’s gonna happen. Right?
I'm sorry...how did I "emotionally disembowel" CCM? By posting her first name? I didn't post any pictures of her, nor did I make mocking cartoons out of them to humiliate her. The age difference does matter - CCm says she doesn't feel like a victim, and most of the posters here are carrying "Uhauls" full of emotional baggage, she has an overnight bag full. My step daughter doesn't share that cavalier attitude, not after being out of the program for a year.
I don't like CCM at all. I apolgized for what I did, but that doesn't change the fact I keep her on ignore.
I didn't read anything about CCM being suicidal before her program experience. My step daughter was. This is doing more harm than you can imagine, Aaron. But you don't give a shit. Whatever bolsters up Aaron's eggshell ego. You sicken me. You always end up doing more harm than good, and if something is going well, you figure out a way to "disembowel" it. Aaron never gave a shit about CCM, and this has nothing to do with her - I've read him stating that. He just wants to piss me off, and abusing teens is no problem for him, he used to get paid to do it. It's still in his "programming".
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ZEN continues to try and justify what he did to CCM and her family, the same action he's called evil. ZEN thinks his daughter deserves more sympathy than other survivors, typical of a bully who gets his way by using threats and intimidation.
I'd trade ZEN for CHE any day of the week. ZEN probably posted this stuff himself to frame CHE.
As far as humiliating ZEN, he humiliated himself and will continue to do so, every time he opens that big fat mouth of lies.
"Look... I didn't find this out through IPs but I am absolutely, positively sure he did it. Why? He wanted to piss Zen off."
Just like PSY was sure TheWho was Alan Newman. Show us some proof or this is just another theory.
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Jesus! Do we really have to start this shit up again??? Look, we just got rid of the clown Who was derailing and disrupting every goddamn thread. Can we please just move on from this shit?????
Please???
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ZEN continues to try and justify what he did to CCM and her family, the same action he's called evil. ZEN thinks his daughter deserves more sympathy than other survivors, typical of a bully who gets his way by using threats and intimidation.
I'd trade ZEN for CHE any day of the week. ZEN probably posted this stuff himself to frame CHE.
As far as humiliating ZEN, he humiliated himself and will continue to do so, every time he opens that big fat mouth of lies.
"Look... I didn't find this out through IPs but I am absolutely, positively sure he did it. Why? He wanted to piss Zen off."
Just like PSY was sure TheWho was Alan Newman. Show us some proof or this is just another theory.
For a person who won't even identify himself, you certainly are demanding a lot of information and spewing much bile.
What did I do to CCM and her family? Remind me again? Let me see your "proof"...you have to show me what I'm "continuing to justify". Your "spin" isn't too solid. "A bully who gets his way by using threats and intimidation"? I've heard that applied to Aaron/CHE often. CCM has been known to be a bit harsh, like demanding Niles be gone from the forum because he wasn't in a program.
By the way, I know you only see what you want to, but I 'm not the one being humiliated. That's my step daughter in Aaron's "cartoon". Not funny. She's NOT a limited public figure like Sue Scheff, either. Posting her pictures and mocking her is a serious issue. You justify tormenting a teen (and her mother) just to get at me, to get revenge for someone ELSE? With no evidence of anything I "disemboweled" her entire life with? No, "GUEST", let's have AARON come out and speak for himself and "justify" of "deny" his actions.
If you'll take Aaron over me any day, please, I encourage you to go be with him. Here's his new forum. Have fun.
http://soap.activeboard.com/forum.spark ... 119876&p=1 (http://soap.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=119876&p=1)
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ZEN continues to try and justify what he did to CCM and her family, the same action he's called evil. ZEN thinks his daughter deserves more sympathy than other survivors, typical of a bully who gets his way by using threats and intimidation.
I'd trade ZEN for CHE any day of the week. ZEN probably posted this stuff himself to frame CHE.
As far as humiliating ZEN, he humiliated himself and will continue to do so, every time he opens that big fat mouth of lies.
"Look... I didn't find this out through IPs but I am absolutely, positively sure he did it. Why? He wanted to piss Zen off."
Just like PSY was sure TheWho was Alan Newman. Show us some proof or this is just another theory.
what the fuck do you want from zen?
i read an apology.
not enough?
how long you gonna bore readers, belching and spewing your venom at zen?
what would make you happy? anything?
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When and how I apologize is my own business.
(http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/acb7097448.jpg)
Well, if I had a kid that ugly, I'd be humiliated if her picture got out too.
From now on, can we only out attractive survivors?
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Leave it to Aaron to pull out the most embarrassing picture he could, huh? She was just being goofy, those aren't even real glasses. Aaron must have liked the regular pictures - the tracker showed his lonely Chinese-server using ass going often to her MySpace...
You people are inhuman. Post your pics, we'll be kind, I SWEAR. We've seen Aaron...
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Man, this is beyond creepy. I think the pic should be deleted and the person who posted it banned permanently. I don't care who he is. This is just wrong.
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She looks cute on her myspace page. Is that a beer she's drinking? Did she have to set it to private because of what waygookin did? What an asshole. He's done some terrible stuff before, but this is a new low even for him.
I hope her mood really is happy like her page says.
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ZEN continues to try and justify what he did to CCM and her family, the same action he's called evil. ZEN thinks his daughter deserves more sympathy than other survivors, typical of a bully who gets his way by using threats and intimidation.
I'd trade ZEN for CHE any day of the week. ZEN probably posted this stuff himself to frame CHE.
As far as humiliating ZEN, he humiliated himself and will continue to do so, every time he opens that big fat mouth of lies.
"Look... I didn't find this out through IPs but I am absolutely, positively sure he did it. Why? He wanted to piss Zen off."
Just like PSY was sure TheWho was Alan Newman. Show us some proof or this is just another theory.
what the fuck do you want from zen?
i read an apology.
not enough?
how long you gonna bore readers, belching and spewing your venom at zen?
what would make you happy? anything?
This is tiresome.
Zen thinks posting his step-kid’s photo is evil, and posting ccm’s is hilarious. He thinks outing ccm is groovy and outing his G.F. and S.K. is horrible. He thinks his word-murals of “crack craving Miranda” sucking off sailors cheap 'cause their jis get’s stored in her brainless skull is fun, and the jabs at his step-daughter are inhuman. Make fun of CCM and hubbie’s photo? Great. His daughter’s? Evil. This ain’t gonna go nowhere. Zen’s a soulless cunt. Drop it.
And sorry that anyone got outed
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Enough of this shit now.
Time to turn over a new leaf and wipe the slate clean.
Let's just let bygones be bygones and start anew.....
Or yous could just keep flaming each other; your call.
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This entire thread is disgusting. Are the people that are involved in all of this 12 years old?
Sure seems that way. The " he said" "she said" crap is ridiculous.
Don't you all see that?
Zen, Che, psy, who the hell cares?
Sorry, I just don't get what's happened on this board.
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ZEN continues to try and justify what he did to CCM and her family, the same action he's called evil. ZEN thinks his daughter deserves more sympathy than other survivors, typical of a bully who gets his way by using threats and intimidation.
I'd trade ZEN for CHE any day of the week. ZEN probably posted this stuff himself to frame CHE.
As far as humiliating ZEN, he humiliated himself and will continue to do so, every time he opens that big fat mouth of lies.
"Look... I didn't find this out through IPs but I am absolutely, positively sure he did it. Why? He wanted to piss Zen off."
Just like PSY was sure TheWho was Alan Newman. Show us some proof or this is just another theory.
what the fuck do you want from zen?
i read an apology.
not enough?
how long you gonna bore readers, belching and spewing your venom at zen?
what would make you happy? anything?
This is tiresome.
Zen thinks posting his step-kid’s photo is evil, and posting ccm’s is hilarious. He thinks outing ccm is groovy and outing his G.F. and S.K. is horrible. He thinks his word-murals of “crack craving Miranda” sucking off sailors cheap 'cause their jis get’s stored in her brainless skull is fun, and the jabs at his step-daughter are inhuman. Make fun of CCM and hubbie’s photo? Great. His daughter’s? Evil. This ain’t gonna go nowhere. Zen’s a soulless cunt. Drop it.
And sorry that anyone got outed
what's tiresome is your (che's) ongoing attempt to justify outing and humiliating a survivor.
you're pissed at zen for allegedly 'outing' a 'survivor'-among other things?, yet your response is to out another survivor? how much fuckin sense does that make?
oh yeah, in your demented mind, you're justified, cause zen needed one of your sanctimonious 'lessons'. more of your lame ass 'jihads'.
do the right thing and request that your anon posts be deleted.
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This entire thread is disgusting. Are the people that are involved in all of this 12 years old?
Sure seems that way. The " he said" "she said" crap is ridiculous.
Don't you all see that?
Zen, Che, psy, who the hell cares?
Sorry, I just don't get what's happened on this board.
real simple. male jockeying for the position of who controls and dictates the direction and functioning of the forum in ginger's absence, directly or indirectly.
there wasn't a fuckin things wrong with the forum until the boys took over.
if they spent less time dictating and more time posting relevant information maybe things would return to normal.
most of the old time regulars have gone. tired of being stabbed in the back and publicly criticized by che. his way or the hiway, as they say.
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ZEN continues to try and justify what he did to CCM and her family, the same action he's called evil. ZEN thinks his daughter deserves more sympathy than other survivors, typical of a bully who gets his way by using threats and intimidation.
I'd trade ZEN for CHE any day of the week. ZEN probably posted this stuff himself to frame CHE.
As far as humiliating ZEN, he humiliated himself and will continue to do so, every time he opens that big fat mouth of lies.
"Look... I didn't find this out through IPs but I am absolutely, positively sure he did it. Why? He wanted to piss Zen off."
Just like PSY was sure TheWho was Alan Newman. Show us some proof or this is just another theory.
what the fuck do you want from zen?
i read an apology.
not enough?
how long you gonna bore readers, belching and spewing your venom at zen?
what would make you happy? anything?
This is tiresome.
Zen thinks posting his step-kid’s photo is evil, and posting ccm’s is hilarious. He thinks outing ccm is groovy and outing his G.F. and S.K. is horrible. He thinks his word-murals of “crack craving Miranda” sucking off sailors cheap 'cause their jis get’s stored in her brainless skull is fun, and the jabs at his step-daughter are inhuman. Make fun of CCM and hubbie’s photo? Great. His daughter’s? Evil. This ain’t gonna go nowhere. Zen’s a soulless cunt. Drop it.
And sorry that anyone got outed
what's tiresome is your (che's) ongoing attempt to justify outing and humiliating a survivor.
you're pissed at zen for allegedly 'outing' a 'survivor'-among other things?, yet your response is to out another survivor? how much fuckin sense does that make?
oh yeah, in your demented mind, you're justified, cause zen needed one of your sanctimonious 'lessons'. more of your lame ass 'jihads'.
do the right thing and request that your anon posts be deleted.
Is that all Che has to do? Request that his anon posts be deleted?
Come on man, do it and delete these posts.
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ZEN continues to try and justify what he did to CCM and her family, the same action he's called evil. ZEN thinks his daughter deserves more sympathy than other survivors, typical of a bully who gets his way by using threats and intimidation.
I'd trade ZEN for CHE any day of the week. ZEN probably posted this stuff himself to frame CHE.
As far as humiliating ZEN, he humiliated himself and will continue to do so, every time he opens that big fat mouth of lies.
"Look... I didn't find this out through IPs but I am absolutely, positively sure he did it. Why? He wanted to piss Zen off."
Just like PSY was sure TheWho was Alan Newman. Show us some proof or this is just another theory.
what the fuck do you want from zen?
i read an apology.
not enough?
how long you gonna bore readers, belching and spewing your venom at zen?
what would make you happy? anything?
This is tiresome.
Zen thinks posting his step-kid’s photo is evil, and posting ccm’s is hilarious. He thinks outing ccm is groovy and outing his G.F. and S.K. is horrible. He thinks his word-murals of “crack craving Miranda” sucking off sailors cheap 'cause their jis get’s stored in her brainless skull is fun, and the jabs at his step-daughter are inhuman. Make fun of CCM and hubbie’s photo? Great. His daughter’s? Evil. This ain’t gonna go nowhere. Zen’s a soulless cunt. Drop it.
And sorry that anyone got outed
You don't even know what you're talking about, and you call me a cunt? NILES posted CCM's pictures, not me. So get your story straight you're bashing away and for nothing. I didn't post any pictures of CCM. I didn't make fun of those pics. Does that make it easier for you? And that's my wife, not "G.F."
Whatever your agenda is for tearing me apart is not well-informed. Aaron, you need to do what we wrote back and forth about - don't apologize to ME - you're entitled to think whatever you want, as erroneous as it is. When you feel like you're not the center of attention, you create it and don't care if it's negative.
This is what Aaron posted, at least what he admits to:
Well since this following link is posted on the internet in a public manner:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... =204742076 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=204742076)
this is the myspace profile of Zen's step daughter Siobahn.
Dear Zen,
Go suck more cocks for treating one of my fellow wwasp survivors like shit. I don't agree with everything CCM Girl says, but you can go to fucking hell for the shit you've done and said about her.
You're a brave guy. Why not sign in, and why pretend to be a survivor? You were on the other side of the program experience. You hate CCM girl. You hate Niles, you hate Ginger, you hate Psy, you hate me, and you hate complete strangers like my wife and step daughter.
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Man, this is beyond creepy. I think the pic should be deleted and the person who posted it banned permanently. I don't care who he is. This is just wrong.
if you signed in your opinion would carry more weight.
dont hold your breath they are not going to ban the poster (che) this isnt the first time a program kid was outed and not the last.
i have been telling people they need to stop taking this site seriously but i think they needed proof for themselves.
please ignore me while i go cry in a corner over this loss to humanity.
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Dan the Chainsaw Man, Three Springs Waygookin, Che Gookin, Squat Toilet, ... whatever he calls himself the M.O. is always the same.
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Man, this is beyond creepy. I think the pic should be deleted and the person who posted it banned permanently. I don't care who he is. This is just wrong.
if you signed in your opinion would carry more weight.
dont hold your breath they are not going to ban the poster (che) this isnt the first time a program kid was outed and not the last.
i have been telling people they need to stop taking this site seriously but i think they needed proof for themselves.
please ignore me while i go cry in a corner over this loss to humanity.
Clarify: not the first program kid to be outed by Che. We can't get anything done if we can't trust anyone at all. At least it has become clear there's one individual who is obviously red flagged.
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Simple solution. Stop bumping up this idiotic thread. Start posting in relevant threads.
K?
K.
Thx.
Bye.
;D
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A-FUCKING-MEN :ftard:
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Man, this is beyond creepy. I think the pic should be deleted and the person who posted it banned permanently. I don't care who he is. This is just wrong.
if you signed in your opinion would carry more weight.
dont hold your breath they are not going to ban the poster (che) this isnt the first time a program kid was outed and not the last.
i have been telling people they need to stop taking this site seriously but i think they needed proof for themselves.
please ignore me while i go cry in a corner over this loss to humanity.
yes, we know YOU don't take it seriously, haven't in a while. which is all fine and dandy. not cool to dictate to others. YOU create an unsafe environment and scare people away with your dumb ass jihads.
just as zen said, if you aren't the center of attention you create some drama.
you highjack other people's projects and if you can't you ridicule it.
there's more than one way to deal with this industry, contrary to your infantile belief that your way's the only way.
hope people have got it, you aren't to be trusted. it's not FORNITS, it's participants like you.
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Zen’s a soulless cunt.
Soulless is as soulless does, Cap'n Dan.
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We get it! You hate che and have a personal beef with him. Take it to PM's and let this thread die already!
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We get it! You hate che and have a personal beef with him. Take it to PM's and let this thread die already!
Personal beef?
TSW, Gookin, Che, and whatever other alias he uses, was moderator on Fornits' Facility Questions and Answers; and YLF. Then, he goes and outs a survivor and posts her pictures. That's more than a "personal beef." >:(
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Word to the wise, please be very careful who you IM with - that is one of the least secure ways to communicate.
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We get it! You hate che and have a personal beef with him. Take it to PM's and let this thread die already!
important to you that the thread die? select the "ignore thread" option. your lame rants bumps it up. idiot.
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WTTW #2. Don't give out your screen name to boneheads who have nothing better to do but gather personal info about you or pump you for information about others.
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ZEN continues to try and justify what he did to CCM and her family, the same action he's called evil. ZEN thinks his daughter deserves more sympathy than other survivors, typical of a bully who gets his way by using threats and intimidation.
I'd trade ZEN for CHE any day of the week. ZEN probably posted this stuff himself to frame CHE.
As far as humiliating ZEN, he humiliated himself and will continue to do so, every time he opens that big fat mouth of lies.
"Look... I didn't find this out through IPs but I am absolutely, positively sure he did it. Why? He wanted to piss Zen off."
Just like PSY was sure TheWho was Alan Newman. Show us some proof or this is just another theory.
what the fuck do you want from zen?
i read an apology.
not enough?
how long you gonna bore readers, belching and spewing your venom at zen?
what would make you happy? anything?
This is tiresome.
Zen thinks posting his step-kid’s photo is evil, and posting ccm’s is hilarious. He thinks outing ccm is groovy and outing his G.F. and S.K. is horrible. He thinks his word-murals of “crack craving Miranda” sucking off sailors cheap 'cause their jis get’s stored in her brainless skull is fun, and the jabs at his step-daughter are inhuman. Make fun of CCM and hubbie’s photo? Great. His daughter’s? Evil. This ain’t gonna go nowhere. Zen’s a soulless cunt. Drop it.
And sorry that anyone got outed
what's tiresome is your (che's) ongoing attempt to justify outing and humiliating a survivor.
you're pissed at zen for allegedly 'outing' a 'survivor'-among other things?, yet your response is to out another survivor? how much fuckin sense does that make?
oh yeah, in your demented mind, you're justified, cause zen needed one of your sanctimonious 'lessons'. more of your lame ass 'jihads'.
do the right thing and request that your anon posts be deleted.
Not everyone's Che, asshole. My point is "zen" (countdown 'til he's outed) won't see his transgressions, so people should "drop the torch." It's a dull flame
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CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
She posted her name on another site.
And her pictures.
No magic, just an address search in CA.
Careful what you post on the internet.
You know, my wife is convinced they are indeed one in the same asshole or work as a team, and I believe she is on to something. Notice how they come and go at the same time. When Whootie needs back-up, up pops PMS girl. It would make sense...PMS girll is a vile, pitiless beast, but if she's confronted for gross bitchery, she whines about being a program survivor. I've never known the goblin girl to do anything more than spew negativity and take cheap shots.
Also, that was not a typo with "fowl" and "foul" - TheWho/CCM girl is into chicken pornography. Cluck you, Whootie.
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CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
OH, NO POSTER! You changed the first quote to suit your needs - that's what started all this! That quote came from the Who! Hold on, Che...let me go get the original. The who changed that to suit his needs. You'll LIE... While you're at it, go ahead an rat Zen out - he's the one you should have done in the first place. Shit, you've exposed the rest of his family...
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CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
OH, NO POSTER! You changed the first quote to suit your needs - that's what started all this! That quote came from the Who! Hold on, Che...let me go get the original. The who changed that to suit his needs. You'll LIE... While you're at it, go ahead an rat Zen out - he's the one you should have done in the first place. Shit, you've exposed the rest of his family...
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We get it! You hate che and have a personal beef with him. Take it to PM's and let this thread die already!
Personal beef?
TSW, Gookin, Che, and whatever other alias he uses, was moderator on Fornits' Facility Questions and Answers; and YLF. Then, he goes and outs a survivor and posts her pictures. That's more than a "personal beef." >:(
yeah, but zen did the same thing...never mind. Two sides coin and never the twain will meet/ G'dnight:-[
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So come on, you're starting to look like a dodger.
Starting to??? Now I know you've been around longer than that, ZA... :D
Yeah, well...and you know I'd hate to lose all the respect I have for him 'cos he's a liar, don't you know.
Ah, trying to shame me into it Zen? How about the info you have on CCM first.. it was you who spoke first. Fes, up.
:guesswho:
Zen, posting peoples personal information on the open forum. Dont you have any boundaries? Dont give me the crap that it was already public. If she wanted the information out there she would put it in her footer or make it public herself.
http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123)
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.
Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread. You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
Quoted for those who are unfamiliar with ZenAgent's tactics. He is willing to reveal CCM's full name and husband's name, just because he is mad at TheWho and perceives CCM as TheWho's ally. I removed the names he posted. CCM spent four years locked away in programs - almost her entire adolescence - she has earned her right to an opinion on this industry without threats. Here is yet another fornits moderator resorting to heavy handed tactics and threats to reform the discussion to their liking. Wonder why people feel unsafe posting here?
I just have one question. If TheWho was such a bad guy, why would he give two-shits if information about a program survivor is revealed?
Post the whole thing - I don't see anything by Zen, and the moderate changed whatever it was.
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So come on, you're starting to look like a dodger.
Starting to??? Now I know you've been around longer than that, ZA... :D
Yeah, well...and you know I'd hate to lose all the respect I have for him 'cos he's a liar, don't you know.
Ah, trying to shame me into it Zen? How about the info you have on CCM first.. it was you who spoke first. Fes, up.
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Zen, posting peoples personal information on the open forum. Dont you have any boundaries? Dont give me the crap that it was already public. If she wanted the information out there she would put it in her footer or make it public herself.
http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123)
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.
Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread. You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
Quoted for those who are unfamiliar with ZenAgent's tactics. He is willing to reveal CCM's full name and husband's name, just because he is mad at TheWho and perceives CCM as TheWho's ally. I removed the names he posted. CCM spent four years locked away in programs - almost her entire adolescence - she has earned her right to an opinion on this industry without threats. Here is yet another fornits moderator resorting to heavy handed tactics and threats to reform the discussion to their liking. Wonder why people feel unsafe posting here?
I just have one question. If TheWho was such a bad guy, why would he give two-shits if information about a program survivor is revealed?
Post the whole thing - I don't see anything by Zen, and the moderate changed whatever it was. "NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET"? You're certainly bending shit to try to make things meet, and vindicate yourself, waygookin.
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Think about it.......somewhere,in the wilds of cyberia,some pro-program mammy-lapper,is reading this happy horseshit.He's either masturbating furiously,or banging the snot out of his Sue-Sue blow-up doll.
If this thread was my first exposure to the wacky world o' Fornits,I'd think everybody had lost their goddamn mind.Seriously,put this motherfucker to bed.
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PMS girll is a vile, pitiless beast, but if she's confronted for gross bitchery, she whines about being a program survivor.
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We get it! You hate che and have a personal beef with him. Take it to PM's and let this thread die already!
Personal beef?
TSW, Gookin, Che, and whatever other alias he uses, was moderator on Fornits' Facility Questions and Answers; and YLF. Then, he goes and outs a survivor and posts her pictures. That's more than a "personal beef." >:(
yeah, but zen did the same thing...never mind. Two sides coin and never the twain will meet/ G'dnight:-[
no it looks like he didn't, and if he did he deleted it ,because his post is gone. he says he left blanks, anyway . why didn't you post all ot the quotes guest? 'never the twain shall meet'? you're trying to force the twain, to make yourself feel better. where's the link to where zen posted pictures, if he did the same thing? and what business was it of che's to post the kid's stuff? if he deleted his, you should do the same che.
Che, you're lame and looking dumber for grasping,
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PMS girll is a vile, pitiless beast, but if she's confronted for gross bitchery, she whines about being a program survivor.
pretty accurate
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Ccm girl said zen put out her name and info, enuf to identify her, and make her feel afraid....which zen admits to, but insists he didn't put out "everything." My guess is a couple people worked to get info on ccm, "zen" posted her name, someone else posted the photos from classmates. Possibly, unscrupulously accessed IPs were involved. Anyway, they used info she posted here to help "track her down." And post PRIVATE info about her. The pre-deleted and edited version should be accessed if you want to irrefutably prove anything, but any way it's fucked, ya' know?
Not that "two wrongs" make a right, or anything
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We get it! You hate che and have a personal beef with him. Take it to PM's and let this thread die already!
Personal beef?
TSW, Gookin, Che, and whatever other alias he uses, was moderator on Fornits' Facility Questions and Answers; and YLF. Then, he goes and outs a survivor and posts her pictures. That's more than a "personal beef." >:(
yeah, but zen did the same thing...never mind. Two sides coin and never the twain will meet/ G'dnight:-[
no it looks like he didn't, and if he did he deleted it ,because his post is gone. he says he left blanks, anyway . why didn't you post all ot the quotes guest? 'never the twain shall meet'? you're trying to force the twain, to make yourself feel better. where's the link to where zen posted pictures, if he did the same thing? and what business was it of che's to post the kid's stuff? if he deleted his, you should do the same che.
Che, you're lame and looking dumber for grasping,
How do you look to the people who saw the post? Like a late comer to a party that's already over. Get over it, we know you hate Che, stop whining about it.
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Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.
Fuck you all very much for your comments!
Sincerely,
CCM girl 1989
Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
:roll:
You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.
Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?
We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.
Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!
You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!
Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?
Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.
Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.
It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.
You fucked up my little bitch.
lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.
Get a life fucker!
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer????
You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!
Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.
We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.
Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?
A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.
You have no idea what happened to other people. I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and 5 other kids in the same house. Nobody knew anything. Including myself. I was there and I had no idea. However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless. As you are now.
You are one callous, cruel little bitch.
Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.
Drama queen.
Anne,
I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.
Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.
Zen,
I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?
CCM girl
Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon??????
Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!
Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?
Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.
Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.
Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.
Narvin,
I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.
Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.
I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.
I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.
My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.
CCM girl 1989
Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!
I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!
Dad Trying,
Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!
Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.
Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.
The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.
I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.
quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.
That's nice, who cares. :roll:
ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK? YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody. And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."
Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
In a behavior modification facility. 33? Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.
Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies. Your solution is to lock them up?
Dumbass. :roll:
Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.
You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.
Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!
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When and how I apologize is my own business.
(http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/acb7097448.jpg)
Well, if I had a kid that ugly, I'd be humiliated if her picture got out too.
From now on, can we only out attractive survivors?
She looks like she feeds on live goats.
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She looks cute on her myspace page. Is that a beer she's drinking? Did she have to set it to private because of what waygookin did? What an asshole. He's done some terrible stuff before, but this is a new low even for him.
I hope her mood really is happy like her page says.
NO! It is NOT a beer she is drinking...It is Fentimans Curiosity Cola http://www.fentimans.com/range.php (http://www.fentimans.com/range.php)
If we are going to be posting her pictures, lets post one where she isn't acting silly. Here she is going to junior prom.
(http://http://a88.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/9/m_af43b17c762d9f1eb4b063743e07c09f.jpg)
Any more questions?
No, dogmeat. Quit insulting the kid, or we'll post the headshot gooky used. there's your chunk.
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Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.
Fuck you all very much for your comments!
Sincerely,
CCM girl 1989
Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
:roll:
You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.
Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?
We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.
Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!
You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!
Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?
Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.
Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.
It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.
You fucked up my little bitch.
lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.
Get a life fucker!
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer????
You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!
Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.
We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.
Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?
A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.
You have no idea what happened to other people. I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and 5 other kids in the same house. Nobody knew anything. Including myself. I was there and I had no idea. However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless. As you are now.
You are one callous, cruel little bitch.
Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.
Drama queen.
Anne,
I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.
Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.
Zen,
I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?
CCM girl
Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon??????
Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!
Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?
Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.
Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.
Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.
Narvin,
I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.
Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.
I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.
I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.
My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.
CCM girl 1989
Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!
I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!
Dad Trying,
Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!
Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.
Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.
The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.
I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.
quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.
That's nice, who cares. :roll:
ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK? YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody. And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."
Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
In a behavior modification facility. 33? Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.
Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies. Your solution is to lock them up?
Dumbass. :roll:
Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.
You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.
Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!
You win the prize for who wasted the most time on this thread.
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to the guest with all the ccm quotes... you should spend all the time you have to smear a survivor helping to shut down programs, i mean seriously what was that. this shit is a waste of time, time to let this thread die and stop feeding the trolls.
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What thread wer the ccm pics on?
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What thread wer the ccm pics on?
http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?topic=3772 (http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?topic=3772)
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no what's fair is fair, post them too. isn't that what gookin wants?
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You're right, that's chunk. What's the name of the disfigured ogre who befriends Chunk? That's what it looks like. They breed 'em big in Tennessee. You can only imagine how ugly the mom is to have produced that. It's like that twisted, oozing offspring from "Eraserhead."
It looks much less ugly in that other picture, though.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO7TliEsLzg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO7TliEsLzg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFZ1e5ql7cs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFZ1e5ql7cs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkB5-BHxKZI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkB5-BHxKZI)
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Simple solution. Stop bumping up this idiotic thread. Start posting in relevant threads.
K?
K.
Thx.
Bye.
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You're right, that's chunk. What's the name of the disfigured ogre who befriends Chunk? That's what it looks like. They breed 'em big in Tennessee. You can only imagine how ugly the mom is to have produced that. It's like that twisted, oozing offspring from "Eraserhead."
It looks much less ugly in that other picture, though.
You guys are RETARDED!!!! :D :D
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Congratulations, che and the other posters. You've proven yourselves to be ten times the asshole zen is. Really, I don't see that what he's accused of posting (I can't find an original post either) caused anywhere near the damage you guys are doing. Che, you raised the bar for yourself when it comes to fucking up, and the same time you've ruined yourself.
Let it go. People have restrained themselves by not bring CCM's pics up for critical review. Leave zen'a family alone. It's obvious you hate zen - take it to the PM's and quit abusing his wife and kid. This is very Sue Scheff behavior, che.
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"Rocky" from "The Mask?"
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Congratulations, che and the other posters. You've proven yourselves to be ten times the asshole zen is. Really, I don't see that what he's accused of posting (I can't find an original post either) caused anywhere near the damage you guys are doing. Che, you raised the bar for yourself when it comes to fucking up, and the same time you've ruined yourself.
Let it go. People have restrained themselves by not bring CCM's pics up for critical review. Leave zen'a family alone. It's obvious you hate zen - take it to the PM's and quit abusing his wife and kid. This is very Sue Scheff behavior, che.
It's obvious you hate che - take it to PM's and quit abusing the board to settle your personal grudges. Stop being so dramatic and saying anyone ruined themselves. You need to get a grip on reality, this is just an internet forum. One that hardly works any more, and will be shut down permanently any day now. Enjoy it while it lasts, it's obviously very important to you to release your che-hate. Let it all out while you can.
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Personal grudges? What did zen's daughter to to Che to deserve THIS?
No, I agree - Che's ruined in a lot of ways. My God, this is disgusting.
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What did zen's daughter to to Che to deserve THIS?
Not a damn thing.
My God, this is disgusting.
Yyyyeeepppp.
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To NotChe,
It your aren't che, then why are you acting like a bonehead?
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This will be my last post in this part of fornits, I will still post on the F Q&A thread, but I am done with this crap! If Che really did out Zen's daughter that is rude and disgusting, but whatever. If anyone has anything to say about this, my name has always been on here. I don't hide my identity. Surviving a program makes a person tough, and Zen, your daughter will survive this too, though she shouldn't have to. It is obvious from the chosen pic that she has tons of spirit and she will be ok. She has suffered worse humiliation in program than anyone on here can throw at her.
Maybe there was an alterior motive behind outting a survivor right now, maybe someone wants everyone to leave fornits in search of a new place or thing. I am just saying....
Don't allow yourselves to be herded, I am leaving, but not because of personal attacks, and ccm and I have had our share. I have a different forum now, which I am not putting out here because not only do I not want to skim people from Ginger's forum, but I don't want the abuse to spill into my new forum.
Peace Out!
Lorri Spickelmire
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For the last time, Fornits is NOT the problem. Quit trying to shift the blame from a disgruntled, bitter, faux rebel onto this forum and its members or innocents like Zen's family and daughter.
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For the last time, Fornits is NOT the problem.
Thank god someone gets it. Sheeeeesh.
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"Rocky" from "The Mask?"
Does it matter what the woman looks like? Not everyone is a pin-up girl. Landsakes......
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She's a beautiful girl. That prom picture is great. Looks like she's got a healthy sense of humor too.
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For the last time, Fornits is NOT the problem.
Thank god someone gets it. Sheeeeesh.
Fuckin' A right!!
Someone get the waaaaaaahhhmbulance for this whiny biznatch!!
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Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.
Fuck you all very much for your comments!
Sincerely,
CCM girl 1989
Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
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You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.
Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?
We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.
Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!
You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!
Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?
Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.
Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.
It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.
You fucked up my little bitch.
lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.
Get a life fucker!
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer????
You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!
Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.
We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.
Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?
A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.
You have no idea what happened to other people. I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and 5 other kids in the same house. Nobody knew anything. Including myself. I was there and I had no idea. However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless. As you are now.
You are one callous, cruel little bitch.
Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.
Drama queen.
Anne,
I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.
Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.
Zen,
I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?
CCM girl
Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon??????
Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!
Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?
Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.
Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.
Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.
Narvin,
I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.
Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.
I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.
I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.
My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.
CCM girl 1989
Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!
I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!
Dad Trying,
Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!
Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.
Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.
The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.
I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.
quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.
That's nice, who cares. :roll:
ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK? YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody. And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."
Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
In a behavior modification facility. 33? Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.
Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies. Your solution is to lock them up?
Dumbass. :roll:
Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.
You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.
Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!
You win the prize for who wasted the most time on this thread.
I agree, lol!!!! You know what is interesting.........those quotes are not all mine. I just want people to know that. I would say the majority of those postings have been altered. By who? I don't know??? By someone who has too much time on their hands, and who is part of the problem why 1/3 of my paycheck is given to the fucking government. So many people have access to our information here on Fornits, I don't know where to even start pointing my finger?!! To the person that said this board has not been the same since the boys took over.........I agree 110%.
Does Zen's apology mean anything to me? Fuck no. A day late, a dollar short. This whole site is one big tangled web of lies. Certain people were given the keys to Fornits, and they have abused it. Which has totally ruined it. They have altered posts, and I guess they have even gone as far to create PM's. When is it all going to stop???? As soon as the locks are changed.
As far as outing Zen's step-daughter......she had nothing to do with what her step-dad has done. Let me deal with this. Although, I really do appreciate those of you, who do know me, and know that people are spreading lies about me on here, and are coming to my rescue! If anything I should be posting all Zen's information. That's right folks we have a winner!!!!! Ding ding ding!!!!! Thank you kind stranger. But, anyway.... I am of the belief that 2 wrongs do not make a right. I only asked for his information for myself, because I was uncomfortable with the way he was behaving towards me. Not so I could get even with the guy! Me getting even with Zen would have nothing to do with this board.
BTW, this thread shouldn't die. I think it's a great read for newcomers. This thread pretty much sums up the state Fornits is in currently.
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i don't know who made the little collage of your posts, but you posted some of those things to me and I can tell you that at least those are dead on accurate. Waht's up there is exactly what you posted to me at the time.
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i don't know who made the little collage of your posts, but you posted some of those things to me and I can tell you that at least those are dead on accurate. Waht's up there is exactly what you posted to me at the time.
Agreed.
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Zen Agent sees no problems with threatening program survivors on a survivor message board. He uses the IP information he takes from the server and uses this to find out personal information. He also said he obtained a background check for this survivor he outed and he was going to release it.
You might wonder why a parent would go through so much trouble to scare a program survivor, well he claims it's because TheWho asked him to do it.
So it looks like there is something shady going on at fornits. Zen Agent a pretend parent is teaming up with the likes of TheWho to scare and discredit survivors from posting here. I knew something was fishy about this when I got so many PM's about being careful to stay away from Zen Agent and not give him my real name or information. Lucky for me I took this advice.
People wonder why this forum is so slow but this is one of the reasons. I know this because I am in contact with many old posters who say this is the reason they no longer post here, because they do not feel safe. Nobody wants to have the police called on them, or a background check and your whole family's information released publicly, especially not on this site where program industry people can retaliate.
I used to look up to Zen Agent. I believed his story and fell for it hook, line and sinker. It's a painful realization to find out the parent you have confided in so many details is actually just someone pretending to be a parent. What sort of person spends so much time pretending to be someone else, just so they can later scare and hurt people who trusted them?
Don't say you weren't warned, be VERY careful who you trust on this forum. I learned the hard way, and now have to look over my shoulder because of the serious threats I have received. These people mean business, they aren't here to play around. Please be safe everyone, use common sense and be careful who you trust with sensitive info.
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GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus you are like a broken fucking record. WE GET IT. You don't like him. You've made your goddamn poiint. Can we move on? You've made everyone aware of how horrible you think he is. We've all now reviewed the evidence and apparently, you're theh only one who is still hung up on this.
For the love of Barney Fife. GET THE FUCK OVER IT
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[quote author=Guest link=topic=25362.msg312085#msg312085 date=1217797754 I know this because I am in contact with many old posters who say this is the reason they no longer post here, because they do not feel safe.
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Oh my fucking holy god!! You have GOT to be kidding? Liar liar pants on fire!!!!!! LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!!
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So it looks like there is something shady going on at fornits. Zen Agent a pretend parent is teaming up with the likes of TheWho to scare and discredit survivors from posting here.
TheWho wanted him banned, then demanded Z's mod status be removed. If Z's a pretend parent, that must have been his pretend kid's picture posted over and over?
And the address and phone# of Z's family?
You leave out the details of what you did to Z's family from your trolling. Are you attempting to "scare and discredit"? The pants bone you've had for ZA since god knows when makes it look like you're scared of him, but not for the reasons you mention. It must suck to live in shitting terror.
"What sort of person spends so much time pretending to be someone else, just so they can later scare and hurt people?"
We've wondered that for months, and the no brainer answer is an asshole like you.
Weak trolling. 3/10
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You leave out the details of what you did to Z's family from your trolling.
Why, what happened?
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ZenAgent must be happy now. The pictures of his step daughter have been taken down. So what will he use as his excuse for why he stalked, outed , and then threatened a survivor now? He had no motivation to go after ccm, but since in his mind ccm and thewho are the same person, he thought he would be getting back at them. His wife supported him in this venture to publicly humiliate a survivor just like programs do? They need some serious family therapy, and to lay off fornits for a while, they are way too angry and directing in all the wrong directions.
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ZenAgent must be happy now. The pictures of his step daughter have been taken down. So what will he use as his excuse for why he stalked, outed , and then threatened a survivor now? He had no motivation to go after ccm, but since in his mind ccm and thewho are the same person, he thought he would be getting back at them. His wife supported him in this venture to publicly humiliate a survivor just like programs do? They need some serious family therapy, and to lay off fornits for a while, they are way too angry and directing in all the wrong directions.
LOL. Your head is so far up your asshole. You sound bitter. Why so bitter, bitch?
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ZenAgent must be happy now. The pictures of his step daughter have been taken down. So what will he use as his excuse for why he stalked, outed , and then threatened a survivor now? He had no motivation to go after ccm, but since in his mind ccm and thewho are the same person, he thought he would be getting back at them. His wife supported him in this venture to publicly humiliate a survivor just like programs do? They need some serious family therapy, and to lay off fornits for a while, they are way too angry and directing in all the wrong directions.
Talk about the stench of rotting carcasses....
GET A LIFE.
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ZenAgent must be happy now. The pictures of his step daughter have been taken down. So what will he use as his excuse for why he stalked, outed , and then threatened a survivor now? He had no motivation to go after ccm, but since in his mind ccm and thewho are the same person, he thought he would be getting back at them. His wife supported him in this venture to publicly humiliate a survivor just like programs do? They need some serious family therapy, and to lay off fornits for a while, they are way too angry and directing in all the wrong directions.
You know communication has broken down when Zen has to tell his daughter to get in touch with him via Fornits, lol!
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ZenAgent must be happy now. The pictures of his step daughter have been taken down. So what will he use as his excuse for why he stalked, outed , and then threatened a survivor now? He had no motivation to go after ccm, but since in his mind ccm and thewho are the same person, he thought he would be getting back at them. His wife supported him in this venture to publicly humiliate a survivor just like programs do? They need some serious family therapy, and to lay off fornits for a while, they are way too angry and directing in all the wrong directions.
You know communication has broken down when Zen has to tell his daughter to get in touch with him via Fornits, lol!
LOL. You're such an unfunny BITCH! At least they talk to each other, your family hates you. You're such a fucking tool, ccm.
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ZenAgent must be happy now. The pictures of his step daughter have been taken down. So what will he use as his excuse for why he stalked, outed , and then threatened a survivor now? He had no motivation to go after ccm, but since in his mind ccm and thewho are the same person, he thought he would be getting back at them. His wife supported him in this venture to publicly humiliate a survivor just like programs do? They need some serious family therapy, and to lay off fornits for a while, they are way too angry and directing in all the wrong directions.
You know communication has broken down when Zen has to tell his daughter to get in touch with him via Fornits, lol!
LOL. You're such an unfunny BITCH! At least they talk to each other, your family hates you. You're such a fucking tool, ccm.
Yeah, a lot of abusive families hate their kids. Nice to point that out. What a decent person you are.
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ZenAgent must be happy now. The pictures of his step daughter have been taken down. So what will he use as his excuse for why he stalked, outed , and then threatened a survivor now? He had no motivation to go after ccm, but since in his mind ccm and thewho are the same person, he thought he would be getting back at them. His wife supported him in this venture to publicly humiliate a survivor just like programs do? They need some serious family therapy, and to lay off fornits for a while, they are way too angry and directing in all the wrong directions.
You know communication has broken down when Zen has to tell his daughter to get in touch with him via Fornits, lol!
LOL. You're such an unfunny BITCH! At least they talk to each other, your family hates you. You're such a fucking tool, ccm.
Yeah, a lot of abusive families hate their kids. Nice to point that out. What a decent person you are.
HEY! CCM was saying ZA's family was dysfunctional! How decent is she? Fuck you!!! You hypocrite porkfuck!!!
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Yeah, a lot of abusive families hate their kids. Nice to point that out. What a decent person you are.
Ugh. What a stoopid dickhead.
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yep my family hates my ass 20 plus years later and they STILL hate my ass,and ya know what,so fuckin be
it.
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yep my family hates my ass 20 plus years later and they STILL hate my ass,and ya know what,so fuckin be
it.
o, that's so sad. If I had my druthers I would start some sort of social services for victims of programs who lack the social saftey net of family.
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CCM
So if you have no beef with me, why do you keep talking shit about me?
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CCM
So if you have no beef with me, why do you keep talking shit about me?
Basically, kevin/zenagent, your step-dad(?) has been abusing this person, ccm, for a while. If you want to take the time to read back in this forum you'll find the shit. He posted her info. etc etc. So when she says communication has broken down that's a dig at him, not you, I'm guessing.
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CCM
So if you have no beef with me, why do you keep talking shit about me?
Basically, kevin/zenagent, your step-dad(?) has been abusing this person, ccm, for a while. If you want to take the time to read back in this forum you'll find the shit. He posted her info. etc etc. So when she says communication has broken down that's a dig at him, not you, I'm guessing.
So this is my point: If you have a problem with my stepfather, why is it necessary to insult me?
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So this is my point: If you have a problem with my stepfather, why is it necessary to insult me?
To get to him.
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CCM
So if you have no beef with me, why do you keep talking shit about me?
Basically, kevin/zenagent, your step-dad(?) has been abusing this person, ccm, for a while. If you want to take the time to read back in this forum you'll find the shit. He posted her info. etc etc. So when she says communication has broken down that's a dig at him, not you, I'm guessing.
So this is my point: If you have a problem with my stepfather, why is it necessary to insult me?
Good point! Kevin posts ccm’s info because of what she supposedly said anon. Some one posts your info because of what you supposedly said anon. Kevin posts info about ccm’s husband. Some one posts info about you.
An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. We are all one. This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius.
THE END
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CCM
So if you have no beef with me, why do you keep talking shit about me?
Basically, kevin/zenagent, your step-dad(?) has been abusing this person, ccm, for a while. If you want to take the time to read back in this forum you'll find the shit. He posted her info. etc etc. So when she says communication has broken down that's a dig at him, not you, I'm guessing.
So this is my point: If you have a problem with my stepfather, why is it necessary to insult me?
Good point! Kevin posts ccm’s info because of what she supposedly said anon. Some one posts your info because of what you supposedly said anon. Kevin posts info about ccm’s husband. Some one posts info about you.
An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. We are all one. This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius.
THE END
Except "Kevin" never posted anything about CCM.
The end, dipshit.
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Siobhan,
Your dad ran afoul of these people because he and your mom got you out of a program. CCM hates EVERYBODY (see below) and she and your dad can go toe-to-toe, but she insulted you and your mom, as well. Che Gookin posted your MySpace, he's a program counselor who pretended to be a program survivor. He's an asshole, and he's still around here, so be careful. You're the third program kid he's abused on fornits, not counting the ones he abused in programs.
If I were you, sweetie, I'd never look at Fornits again, it's diseased and getting worse. Love your folks for getting you out of your program and ignore the people posting horrible things about you. They're just assholes.
Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.
Fuck you all very much for your comments!
Sincerely,
CCM girl 1989
Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
:roll:
You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.
Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?
We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.
Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!
You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!
Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?
Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.
Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.
It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.
You fucked up my little bitch.
lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.
Get a life fucker!
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer????
You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!
Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.
We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.
Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?
A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.
You have no idea what happened to other people. I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and 5 other kids in the same house. Nobody knew anything. Including myself. I was there and I had no idea. However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless. As you are now.
You are one callous, cruel little bitch.
Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.
Drama queen.
Anne,
I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.
Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.
Zen,
I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?
CCM girl
Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon??????
Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!
Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?
Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.
Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.
Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.
Narvin,
I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.
Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.
I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.
I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.
My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.
CCM girl 1989
Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!
I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!
Dad Trying,
Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!
Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.
Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.
The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.
I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.
quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.
That's nice, who cares. :roll:
ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK? YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody. And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."
Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
In a behavior modification facility. 33? Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.
Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies. Your solution is to lock them up?
Dumbass. :roll:
Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.
You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.
Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!
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Except "Kevin" never posted anything about CCM.
Ya couldn't resist.
The end, dipshit.
OR IS IT???
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Siobhan,
Your dad ran afoul of these people because he and your mom got you out of a program. CCM hates EVERYBODY (see below) and she and your dad can go toe-to-toe, but she insulted you and your mom, as well. Che Gookin posted your MySpace, he's a program counselor who pretended to be a program survivor. He's an asshole, and he's still around here, so be careful. You're the third program kid he's abused on fornits, not counting the ones he abused in programs.
If I were you, sweetie, I'd never look at Fornits again, it's diseased and getting worse. Love your folks for getting you out of your program and ignore the people posting horrible things about you. They're just assholes.
Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.
Fuck you all very much for your comments!
Sincerely,
CCM girl 1989
Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
:roll:
You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.
Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?
We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.
Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!
You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!
Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?
Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.
Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.
It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.
You fucked up my little bitch.
lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.
Get a life fucker!
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer????
You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!
Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.
We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.
Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?
A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.
You have no idea what happened to other people. I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and 5 other kids in the same house. Nobody knew anything. Including myself. I was there and I had no idea. However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless. As you are now.
You are one callous, cruel little bitch.
Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.
Drama queen.
Anne,
I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.
Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.
Zen,
I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?
CCM girl
Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon??????
Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!
Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?
Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.
Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.
Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.
Narvin,
I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.
Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.
I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.
I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.
My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.
CCM girl 1989
Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!
I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!
Dad Trying,
Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!
Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.
Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.
The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.
I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.
quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.
That's nice, who cares. :roll:
ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK? YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody. And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."
Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
In a behavior modification facility. 33? Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.
Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies. Your solution is to lock them up?
Dumbass. :roll:
Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.
You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.
Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!
See, it wasn't the end!
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ZenAgent must be happy now. The pictures of his step daughter have been taken down. So what will he use as his excuse for why he stalked, outed , and then threatened a survivor now? He had no motivation to go after ccm, but since in his mind ccm and thewho are the same person, he thought he would be getting back at them. His wife supported him in this venture to publicly humiliate a survivor just like programs do? They need some serious family therapy, and to lay off fornits for a while, they are way too angry and directing in all the wrong directions.
You know communication has broken down when Zen has to tell his daughter to get in touch with him via Fornits, lol!
LOL. You're such an unfunny BITCH! At least they talk to each other, your family hates you. You're such a fucking tool, ccm.
Yeah, a lot of abusive families hate their kids. Nice to point that out. What a decent person you are.
HEY! CCM was saying ZA's family was dysfunctional! How decent is she? Fuck you!!! You hypocrite porkfuck!!!
I'm with you!! SO sick of this bullshit already!!!
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SO sick of this bullshit already!!!
I am in agreement with Fod,
wish I had the beat the dead horse thing.
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There's nothing more confusing than people who bump a thread to tell everyone how disinterested they are in the thread they just bumped. There are thousands of threads besides this one here. Instead of bumping a topic you claim to be tired of, which in turn continues the discussion; next time try bumping another thread, or even making a new thread. This seems like common sense, but it seems to happen a lot here.
Kind of like the people arguing with TheWho's every sentence, then complaining in the same thread that TheWho derails topics.
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Siobhan,
People have beef with you because you are ugly. You have the head of a burn victim and the body of a gorilla. People hate ugly people. That is the law.
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There's nothing more confusing than people who bump a thread to tell everyone how disinterested they are in the thread they just bumped. There are thousands of threads besides this one here. Instead of bumping a topic you claim to be tired of, which in turn continues the discussion; next time try bumping another thread, or even making a new thread. This seems like common sense, but it seems to happen a lot here.
Kind of like the people arguing with TheWho's every sentence, then complaining in the same thread that TheWho derails topics.
Eh- I, for one, didn't "bump" the fucking thread, ok? Don't be a douche! The thread was active, and i posted on it. Wasn't as if my not posting on it would have made it stop...you seem to have some control issues.
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Siobhan,
People have beef with you because you are ugly. You have the head of a burn victim and the body of a gorilla. People hate ugly people. That is the law.
You are a world-class prick for saying that; she is not ugly. Go ahead and post the goofy looking picture again to try and make your "point." Asshole.
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Siobhan,
People have beef with you because you are ugly. You have the head of a burn victim and the body of a gorilla. People hate ugly people. That is the law.
You are a world-class prick for saying that; she is not ugly. Go ahead and post the goofy looking picture again to try and make your "point." Asshole.
Don't mean to bump a horrible and evil thread, either, but my God: What did Zen do that was horrible enough to allow people to do this to his family? I haven't seen what the troll is talking about: I've only seen Zen's family on here. What is CCM talking about? If it's not on the forum, it's not on the forum. Quit encouraging these people, CCM. She and the who should be banned for making accusations with no substance, but bans don't stick on the who, he can't live without doing things like this.
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SO sick of this bullshit already!!!
I am in agreement with Fod,
wish I had the beat the dead horse thing.
::deadhorse::
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Let's see...the body of a gorilla and the head of a burn victim...
Sounds like Fred Kruger visited someone last night.
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ccm doesn't "hate" everyone, and having evil parents hate you is a sign of your integrity. Making fun of people's looks is immature.
I think at this point anyone who has problems with what Zen or che did should email fornits administration directly because arguing about it here will not accomplish anything.
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bumped it, yeah. Bite me
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Color me impressed!
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LE BUMP
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Thanks! Let's nail this drama whore to the wall for good! I hope the admins out whoever it is and post their personal info RIGHT HERE, since they seem so obsessed with that. It would serve them right.
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Don't mean to bump a horrible and evil thread, either, but my God: What did Zen do that was horrible enough to allow people to do this to his family? I haven't seen what the troll is talking about: I've only seen Zen's family on here. What is CCM talking about? If it's not on the forum, it's not on the forum. Quit encouraging these people, CCM. She and the who should be banned for making accusations with no substance, but bans don't stick on the who, he can't live without doing things like this.
Yup. ::poke::
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Thanks! Let's nail this drama whore to the wall for good! I hope the admins out whoever it is and post their personal info RIGHT HERE, since they seem so obsessed with that. It would serve them right.
I couldn't, even if I wanted to (and i'm pretty sure the trolls know this, which is why what they bitch about is so ironic). What many people don't realize is that unless you work in law enforcement (and have a warrant / subpoena to tie an IP to a physical person/address), the internet is pretty much anonymous, especially with modern anonymity networks (fancy proxies) such as TOR (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Onion_Router), which even law enforcement can't trace. Unless you put your information out there voluntarily, nobody is going to know who you are.
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LE BUMP
Thanks! Let's nail this drama whore to the wall for good! I hope the admins out whoever it is and post their personal info RIGHT HERE, since they seem so obsessed with that. It would serve them right.
I couldn't, even if I wanted to (and i'm pretty sure the trolls know this, which is why what they bitch about is so ironic). What many people don't realize is that unless you work in law enforcement (and have a warrant / subpoena to tie an IP to a physical person/address), the internet is pretty much anonymous, especially with modern anonymity networks (fancy proxies) such as TOR (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Onion_Router), which even law enforcement can't trace. Unless you put your information out there voluntarily, nobody is going to know who you are.
How do you define troll, psyborge. The peeps goin’ on bout this be all survivors.
And can u out 666 just on account of bein’ a semi literate douche?
No mod can see I.P.s, right? That's alls i needs ta no.
Poor psy, puttin' up with all de bitchin, from everyone and de mudda.
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How do you define troll . . . The peeps goin’ on bout this be all survivors.
Trolling (here) has nothing whatsoever to do with being a survivor or non-survivor, get a clue. By definition, a troll is "someone who posts controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion." E.g., people who impersonate program directors (like Dr. Miller Newton) are trolls. The person who keeps trying to rehash the zen / ccm thing over and over would be a good enough example of a troll. Sometimes trolls are funny, as in the first example, and sometimes they are just plain annoying as in the second example...
No mod can see I.P.s, right? That's alls i needs ta no..
That is correct, my fine, fine psuedo-negro.
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LE BUMP
Thanks! Let's nail this drama whore to the wall for good! I hope the admins out whoever it is and post their personal info RIGHT HERE, since they seem so obsessed with that. It would serve them right.
I couldn't, even if I wanted to (and i'm pretty sure the trolls know this, which is why what they bitch about is so ironic). What many people don't realize is that unless you work in law enforcement (and have a warrant / subpoena to tie an IP to a physical person/address), the internet is pretty much anonymous, especially with modern anonymity networks (fancy proxies) such as TOR (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Onion_Router), which even law enforcement can't trace. Unless you put your information out there voluntarily, nobody is going to know who you are.
I use a proxy because your claim that her I.D. wasn’t plucked from her I.P. can’t be trusted anymore than your claim that Moderate’s quote was ‘made up’--you purposely or accidentally MISinform. Don’t mean my revulsion aint sincere. I’m not the only one, either.
By definition, a troll is "someone who posts controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room,
Problem is a manager of Fornits outing a survivor IS relevant. Good luck squashing dissent on an open forum. Don’t fuck over survivors there won’t be a backlash from that community, my advice. Which should never be trusted
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Don’t fuck over survivors there won’t be a backlash from that community, my advice. Which should never be trusted
You do seem to dismiss the point that the majority of people telling you to stfu are survivors. The backlash, as you so amusingly term it, is more or less directly pointed at you.
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Don’t fuck over survivors there won’t be a backlash from that community, my advice. Which should never be trusted
You do seem to dismiss the point that the majority of people telling you to stfu are survivors. The backlash, as you so amusingly term it, is more or less directly pointed at you.
Yeah, and the bitch bitchin' is not a survivor. How ironic.
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Every time Zen posts anywhere on the forum this whining misinformed and erroneous troll pops up like a herpes eruption. You got a stalker ZA.
Fuck 'em. What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her twat?
Not everything that comes out of her twat is retarded.
This troll and Sarah Palin's mouth have much in common.
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Don’t fuck over survivors there won’t be a backlash from that community, my advice. Which should never be trusted
You do seem to dismiss the point that the majority of people telling you to stfu are survivors. The backlash, as you so amusingly term it, is more or less directly pointed at you.
Good point.
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Don’t fuck over survivors there won’t be a backlash from that community, my advice. Which should never be trusted
You do seem to dismiss the point that the majority of people telling you to stfu are survivors. The backlash, as you so amusingly term it, is more or less directly pointed at you.
Yeah, and the bitch bitchin' is not a survivor. How ironic.
Do tell, who is it? ::evil::
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my advice. Which should never be trusted
That was a telling slip.
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Every time Zen posts anywhere on the forum this whining misinformed and erroneous troll pops up like a herpes eruption. You got a stalker ZA.
Fuck 'em. What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her twat?
Not everything that comes out of her twat is retarded.
This troll and Sarah Palin's mouth have much in common.
:D :D :D
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This have anything to do with Zen's recent protest of PV with act.da? I find the timing odd.
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This have anything to do with Zen's recent protest of PV with act.da? I find the timing odd.
This has everything to do with the asshole’s outing of a survivor & managing on a board for survviors. The “timing” of this has continued for, like, 1000 years. Oh, you don’t remember the 4 billion posts on the subject? A guest brought this up when some other guest got offended by the term “Jew Girl” I chime in because I can’t stand people lying so they can bash a survivor they hate because she’s a “whore.” Don’t do the same, please. And your insinuations=fail
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This have anything to do with Zen's recent protest of PV with act.da? I find the timing odd.
This has everything to do with the asshole’s outing of a survivor & managing on a board for survviors. The “timing” of this has continued for, like, 1000 years. Oh, you don’t remember the 4 billion posts on the subject? A guest brought this up when some other guest got offended by the term “Jew Girl” I chime in because I can’t stand people lying so they can bash a survivor they hate because she’s a “whore.” Don’t do the same, please. And your insinuations=fail
it's probably Wendy Chastain the bondage freak counselor at PV. or her white trash bud Rhiannon Nelson.
Why would anyone hate CCM? Bump that list of CCM quotes again where she bashes the shit out of survivors and everyone else she hates, or are you going to do the programee thing and ignore that pile of shit? You want to bash a parent because you hate your parents. You are prejudiced. We can't stand you. Your facade=weak.
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This have anything to do with Zen's recent protest of PV with act.da? I find the timing odd.
This has everything to do with the asshole’s outing of a survivor & managing on a board for survviors. The “timing” of this has continued for, like, 1000 years. Oh, you don’t remember the 4 billion posts on the subject? A guest brought this up when some other guest got offended by the term “Jew Girl” I chime in because I can’t stand people lying so they can bash a survivor they hate because she’s a “whore.” Don’t do the same, please. And your insinuations=fail
it's probably Wendy Chastain the bondage freak counselor at PV. or her white trash bud Rhiannon Nelson.
Why would anyone hate CCM? Bump that list of CCM quotes again where she bashes the shit out of survivors and everyone else she hates, or are you going to do the programee thing and ignore that pile of shit? You want to bash a parent because you hate your parents. You are prejudiced. We can't stand you. Your facade=weak.
Your armchair psychology=fail :) :)
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All the same, grow up and grow some balls. PM zen with your noise and spare the rest of us. Post this BS down in the CAN Peninsula forum. But you wont, cuz you and your eleven other personalities are weak.
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I chime in because I can’t stand people lying
Then quit fucking doing it!!!!
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don't stop though, because it's funny! :twofinger:
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don't stop though, because it's funny! :twofinger:
Fuck you. Buy a TV is you're so desperate for entertainment. You're an even bigger asshole for encouraging this shit to continue. That's what the truth is. Ignore the troll, don't fucking encourage the sick bitch for your LULZ.
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and who says fornits doesnt provide a valuable service? :twofinger:
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and who says fornits doesnt provide a valuable service? :twofinger:
There is no pent up anger. Remember the who? He always accused people of harboring pent up anger. Not that the who didn't have his share of freakouts, like calling Ursus a fucking dick when he lost control of himself and showed his ass shortly before "leaving".
No, I get sick of seeing trolls. They want to drive off anyone who's actively going after programs. But this is the open free for all, an unimportant forum to throw shit like this in.
You're not a twat. Wanna go get some Absinthe and chase the green genie?
Solidarity.
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I chime in because I can’t stand people lying
Then quit fucking doing it!!!!
:guesswho:
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Has anybody seen that RATS ASS i was gonna try to give? :rofl:
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Has anybody seen that RATS ASS i was gonna try to give? :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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and who says fornits doesnt provide a valuable service? :twofinger:
There is no pent up anger. Remember the who? He always accused people of harboring pent up anger. Not that the who didn't have his share of freakouts, like calling Ursus a fucking dick when he lost control of himself and showed his ass shortly before "leaving".
No, I get sick of seeing trolls. They want to drive off anyone who's actively going after programs. But this is the open free for all, an unimportant forum to throw shit like this in.
You're not a twat. Wanna go get some Absinthe and chase the green genie?
Solidarity.
All of you combined have the IQ of an old shoe.
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Your mother wears army boots.