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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 30, 2007, 10:53:12 PM
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And they don't care when they commit suicide, afterward.
Trust me.
I saw it with my own broken eyes
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Many program parents are actually delighted when their kids commit suicide. They are absolved of future parenting responsibilities, plus they get to play the "bereaved parent" card, soaking up sympathy from other programmies. "At least they aren't out on the streets, TAKING DRUGS.........." Programmies LOVE it, it feeds their "DEADINSANEINJAIL" hopes for the kids that are able to leave the program.
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Many program parents are actually delighted when their kids commit suicide. They are absolved of future parenting responsibilities, plus they get to play the "bereaved parent" card, soaking up sympathy from other programmies. "At least they aren't out on the streets, TAKING DRUGS.........." Programmies LOVE it, it feeds their "DEADINSANEINJAIL" hopes for the kids that are able to leave the program.
Dam love your thinking!! Imagine how much money we could all save if they would off themselves before the program, almost makes me giddy. We need to work on that.
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Sociopaths do have children. They care no more for them, than they do anyone else. This means they don't care about them at all. They feel no guilt, no shame, and no love. The scenario you suggest is entirely possible in the case of a such a parent. But these people are a small minority. Most would not think or feel as you suggest. Most would be devastated and horrified. Most would find it a life shattering tragedy from which they could only slowly recover. Many would never fully recover. It is a mistake to write all program parents off as sociopathic. This would mean none are worth the effort to educate and enlighten, and many are. It is counter-productive to write the parents of in this way.
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The group of parents I’m speaking of couldn't be described as sociopaths. I don’t know if anyone can be. The Mentally ill are described with labels like “sociopathâ€
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not true parents who put their kids in programs when all else has failed and they are sick and tired of the lying, disrespect, drugs in the house and all the drama and just want their kids to be respectful and respect boundaries
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not true parents who put their kids in programs when all else has failed and they are sick and tired of the lying, disrespect, drugs in the house and all the drama and just want their kids to be respectful and respect boundaries
the kids i am referring to never did drugs, and did not "lie" or be "disrespectful" even as much as an "average" kid does.
You are a troll, and a good exammple of a program parent. You feel you are entitled to a kid who is congenitally unable to lie, be disrespectful, or use drugs.
Normal parents know that this what normal kids (and adults) want to do, and will do. They know that it is up to them to parent their kids through these normal human activities and possibilities, not attempt to have the parts of their kids brain that makes them capable of doing so removed.
Parents like this have absolutely unrealistic expectation for their kids. They are abusive. Abusive parents beleive that thier kids are sub-par in some way that justifies treating them in a way that would be considered unethical to treat a "normal" (good) kid.
Therefore, after torturing them through centers like Aspen ed, Cedu, and Desisto, and their kid commits suicide, they don't "care" in a healthy way.
How can you be that upset over something you never really connected to in the first place because it's mewling as an infant was so "selfish"? How can you be that upset when a kid kills themselves, or examine your role in their death, when their "lying" clearly means they are doomed, pathalogically abusive, and selfish? After all, when some child "abuses you" for years, their loss, is in some way a blessing. At least, it's not a loss as bad as the loss of a non-abusive person
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not true parents who put their kids in programs when all else has failed and they are sick and tired of the lying, disrespect, drugs in the house and all the drama and just want their kids to be respectful and respect boundaries
+1 for effort, but all around terribly lacking in creativity and, more importantly, offense. 2/10
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not true parents who put their kids in programs when all else has failed and they are sick and tired of the lying, disrespect, drugs in the house and all the drama and just want their kids to be respectful and respect boundaries
+1 for effort, but all around terribly lacking in creativity and, more importantly, offense. 2/10
I don't get what u mean by the "offence" part
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not true parents who put their kids in programs when all else has failed and they are sick and tired of the lying, disrespect, drugs in the house and all the drama and just want their kids to be respectful and respect boundaries
Many here dont understand you. Most of the posters here had full scholrships to an ivy league school and never did anything wrong. They respected their parents rules, didnt do drugs, never told a lie or over stepped the boundaries.
For some unknown reason their parents took loans out on their homes and sent them to a program. Maybe their parents enjoyed being in debt or wanted to work an extra couple of years before retirement.
All we really know is the results of the childs life is clearly the fault of the parents, anyone can see that.
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not true parents who put their kids in programs when all else has failed and they are sick and tired of the lying, disrespect, drugs in the house and all the drama and just want their kids to be respectful and respect boundaries
Many here dont understand you. Most of the posters here had full scholrships to an ivy league school and never did anything wrong. They respected their parents rules, didnt do drugs, never told a lie or over stepped the boundaries.
For some unknown reason their parents took loans out on their homes and sent them to a program.[/color] Maybe their parents enjoyed being in debt or wanted to work an extra couple of years before retirement.
All we really know is the results of the childs life is clearly the fault of the parents, anyone can see that.
Can you say program sales person doing a song and dance telling the parents that if their child displays any kind of unusual behavior they better put that child in their program or they will wind up dead, insane, or in jail.
Again if anybody would look at the Narcotics Anonymous IP #7 "Am I an addict?" they would surely start questioning themselves. This is the same type of mind-fuckery that pro-program propaganda offers. Through confusion and doubt, it implants the thoughts "Maybe, just maybe your child has a problem" in the minds of parents that meet the criteria, ("deep pockets") so that they (the programs) can extort out every dollar they can."
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So all the kids are acting normally and all of a sudden someone comes knocking on the door selling programs and the parents postpone their retirement and take a second mortgage on their home. How do they choose which child to send…Hmmm lets choose straws….maybe little junior. The rest of us can skip our family vacation together so that we can afford to send junior to a program. Why does one of use have to go to a program, Dad?
Well, because this man at the door says so.
I don’t think you are going to get many readers to buy it, Botched.
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not true parents who put their kids in programs when all else has failed and they are sick and tired of the lying, disrespect, drugs in the house and all the drama and just want their kids to be respectful and respect boundaries
Respect is earned, and maybe the child is sick and tired of the parents bullshit. Too often the kid takes the full rap for a fucked up family life. Any therapy that's going to work has to deal with THE PARENTS faults as well.
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Exactly. They're evil, they're twisted, and there's nothing they can do to 'help' anyone... but goddamn, are they good marketers. In particular, they seem to excel in taking ANYTHING at all outside the perfect docile child-creature mold and spinning it into a 100% terminal pathology. That's what my parents fell for, and while i'm still not ready to forgive them, it's not like they just upped and decided "Oh, let's pay to have our kid tortured!"
The fact of the matter: If I hadn't been through whatever programs, I would not be deadinsaneorinjail. I would have finished high school a year earlier. Quite life-ruining, hm?
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Guest wrote:
Many here dont understand you. Most of the posters here had full scholrships to an ivy league school and never did anything wrong. They respected their parents rules, didnt do drugs, never told a lie or over stepped the boundaries.
For some unknown reason their parents took loans out on their homes and sent them to a program. Maybe their parents enjoyed being in debt or wanted to work an extra couple of years before retirement.
All we really know is the results of the childs life is clearly the fault of the parents, anyone can see that.[/quote]
Lol this is not my child. I don't think she will even finish HS the way she is going. I understand all go through periods of rebellion in their teens and eventually come around. The crap that has been going on in our house has been going on for two years. Yep I have made my share of mistakes and have made many changes through family therapy. However I will no longer take responsibility for her choices or be blamed for her actions. At 18 she is out of the house and on our own. Right now hubby and I just need to do what we need to for ourselves. I pity those parents that sent their kids away when there wasn't a need. I am sure most don't understand they are to wounded
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Guest wrote:
Many here dont understand you. Most of the posters here had full scholrships to an ivy league school and never did anything wrong. They respected their parents rules, didnt do drugs, never told a lie or over stepped the boundaries.
For some unknown reason their parents took loans out on their homes and sent them to a program. Maybe their parents enjoyed being in debt or wanted to work an extra couple of years before retirement.
All we really know is the results of the childs life is clearly the fault of the parents, anyone can see that.[/quote]
Lol this is not my child. I don't think she will even finish HS the way she is going. I understand all go through periods of rebellion in their teens and eventually come around. The crap that has been going on in our house has been going on for two years. Yep I have made my share of mistakes and have made many changes through family therapy. However I will no longer take responsibility for her choices or be blamed for her actions. At 18 she is out of the house and on our own. Right now hubby and I just need to do what we need to for ourselves. I pity those parents that sent their kids away when there wasn't a need. I am sure most don't understand they are to wounded
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So all the kids are acting normally and all of a sudden someone comes knocking on the door selling programs and the parents postpone their retirement and take a second mortgage on their home. How do they choose which child to send…Hmmm lets choose straws….maybe little junior. The rest of us can skip our family vacation together so that we can afford to send junior to a program. Why does one of use have to go to a program, Dad?
Well, because this man at the door says so.
I don’t think you are going to get many readers to buy it, Botched.
(1) If not many readers are going to buy it, then why are many of our opinions and experiences that we share here too much alike???
(2) If there is no truth and validity to what I have said, then why do you feel the need to try and defend the programs???
You seem to be able to ignore anonymous postings like the one that was wrote by "TBS Yuppie Scum" which no one would actually believe, however you jump quickly to hide the truth.
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Seems everyone is debating on whether or not the child needs to go to a program. The majority of the kids on the board seem to think it is all in the parents mind and there is nothing wrong with them. This is a typical childs reaction… I thought my folks were always wrong too.
But bottom line is the parents are in charge, if they see something wrong they are going to seek a solution for their child… the kid has little to say in the matter.. the same as if the child had a broken arm they are not going to discuss whether or not the child should see a doctor…they are going to seek advice and do the right thing. If the child objects they will console him/her the best they can but they still need to get to the hospital, especially if they care for their child.
Up to 30,000 children benefit from programs each year and a hand full are not and that is what you are reading here. Very few kids are abused in programs, in my opinion, because they would come out naming names and holding peoples feet to the fire instead of being obscure and blaming the industry as a whole.
If someone abused me when I was a teen, especially in school, people would know it!! I would write his name in bold letters across the sky until I got my day in court and I would watch them cuff him and carry him off to rot in jail….. but you don’t see that passion here… abuse has been redefined here to mean things like not having a cell phone or moving wood across the property, only being able to talk to their parents once per week (for many it is more than they talked to them when they were home)… but anyway I think in all fairness to the readers it is important to keep it all in perspective.
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I think making any blanket generalization is hard to do. It seems many send their kids because they feel they are helping. It is hard to believe so many parents would spend that sort of money if they did not. Even the bogan option that is WWASP costs the same amount as a year at a reasonable american university. Unfortunately, however it is an industry that does also make it easy for the callous, lazy or just twisted to throw away a kid at the first hint of trouble.
There is also the complicating factor of the Zero Tolerance movement. This does have real consequences for kids that can be life changing. Such an environment gives parents much to fear but also makes young people look disproportionally troubled. It changes the social landscape. This industry has grown with the zero tolerance movement. Get rid of this policy disaster and you can do some real damage to the industry
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Seems everyone is debating on whether or not the child needs to go to a program. The majority of the kids on the board seem to think it is all in the parents mind and there is nothing wrong with them. This is a typical childs reaction… I thought my folks were always wrong too.
But bottom line is the parents are in charge, if they see something wrong they are going to seek a solution for their child… the kid has little to say in the matter.. the same as if the child had a broken arm they are not going to discuss whether or not the child should see a doctor…they are going to seek advice and do the right thing. If the child objects they will console him/her the best they can but they still need to get to the hospital, especially if they care for their child.
Up to 30,000 children benefit from programs each year and a hand full are not and that is what you are reading here. Very few kids are abused in programs, in my opinion, because they would come out naming names and holding peoples feet to the fire instead of being obscure and blaming the industry as a whole.
If someone abused me when I was a teen, especially in school, people would know it!! I would write his name in bold letters across the sky until I got my day in court and I would watch them cuff him and carry him off to rot in jail….. but you don’t see that passion here… abuse has been redefined here to mean things like not having a cell phone or moving wood across the property, only being able to talk to their parents once per week (for many it is more than they talked to them when they were home)… but anyway I think in all fairness to the readers it is important to keep it all in perspective.
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Oh my God Who.....
You are all freaking talk. Here we are finally getting info out to people, (partially due to the botched up programming that was done to us during our experiences, partially due to technology of today) and you basicly call us liars.
If you would have been sent to a program when you were a teenager, people would not have believed you, because at that point you have been labeled, programmed, and the parent's being programmed as well (This is where you partially fit as you are a supposedly a program parent, as well as the other catagory, you are having program dollars hit your pocket for providing damage control).
Why not go and preach to the people on pro-program chat boards where you would be tolerated and maybe accepted, oh yeah..... I forgot you are on the payroll and would not get paid for "Preaching to the Choir."
But in all seriousness, you should consult a therapist and discuss this problem that you have with coming here to a place where nobody likes you, or agrees with you, even if it is open to the public. In your participating with ongoing confrontations with everybody you are displaying traits of Meglomania. You are constantly desiring battle with anyone who will engage. And you have a problem admitting defeat when you have lost the battle. (You lie to yourself.)
And all of this for what, so you can do your job at damage control for programs and put a dollar in your pocket.
High price to pay.... The loss of sanity to make a dollar.
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If someone abused me when I was a teen, especially in school, people would know it!! I would write his name in bold letters across the sky until I got my day in court and I would watch them cuff him and carry him off to rot in jail….. ...
Saying you are abused won't get you help, and your abusers punished.
A girl I know escaped a torture-cult, reported her abuse to a hospital. Instead of removing her from the environment until it was proved safe, and open a court case, the police merely sent her back.
Why? Why are abusers not punished and kids not protected?
Firstly, there is corruption. These cults have a lot of money. They pay off officials. BAIN Capital owns aspen education. BAIN funds, and is founded by the former gov of Utah, current pres candidate, Mitt Romney. Mel Wassermann, of cedu, paid off the local authorities and hospitals.
Secondly, there's the wealth of the torture-cults intimidating honest and brave DAs. Winning court battles against cults is difficult because of their money, and DA's don't pursue hard to win cases that may end their careers, or success in subsequent lawsuits that the cults inevitably file, punitively. (Michael Desisto v Massachusetts)
Thirdly, there's that by the time kids are strong enough to come forward, 5- 10 years have passed, along with the statute of limitations.
Fourthly, authorities are u unwilling or unclear on how to penalize abductors who, with the permission of guardians, kidnap humans and torture them
Up until the 60s, no cases were prosecuted against husbands who raped their wives. Not until a lawsuit filed against the state reached the Supreme Court which ruled that crimes of rape within marriages had to be penalized, was the law enforced. Did husbands not rape wives before the 1960s, or did the establishment did not protect these victims?
The answer’s obvious. The officials didn’t provide protection and justice to an already vulnerable population segment. The same scenario is now being enacted with the torture cults of Cedu, Desisto, Kids, Straight, Aspen ed. etc.
You say "if you were abused as a teen" you’d have your abusers in prison, as if your idea about “what you would do if you were in our shoesâ€
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You say "if you were abused as a teen" you’d have your abusers in prison, as if your idea about “what you would do if you were in our shoesâ€
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You say "if you were abused as a teen" you’d have your abusers in prison, as if your idea about “what you would do if you were in our shoesâ€
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When that kid talked about being abused by TB, you made fun of him, remember? Do you not remember that?
Ha,Ha,Ha he was trolling, you dont know that but I do. Dont fall for every story.
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So, you are saying he is lying, even though he gave the name of the program.
So, when kids don't give the name of the program that abused them they are lying, but if they do give the name of the program that abused them they are lying?
Your purpose is to plant that seed of doubt in the uninvolved reader's mind that everyone is lying. That is the only reasonable explanation for your "conclusion" that it not giving names means the kid is lying, and then saying that even if they do give names they are lying.
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It's been explained to you that kids have gone to the police and nothing has been done. Others do not name their abusers here because they don't want to jepordize possible lawsuits.
Look, if someone abused you they cannot sue you for talking about it, unless of course you twist the definition of the word. If you were truly abused by the legal definition of the word just say so and call the guy out.
If you were forced to study for 2 hours every night or finish your dinner or carry wood then yes you could have a problem calling a person an abuser and you could be sued. I think this is why many keep quiet is because they were forced to do things that they didnt want to do and they are pissed but it wasnt abuse.
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Who, how much does Bain capital pay you to advocate for aspen education?
Or, are you a woker for HLA who was destroyed by this forum, creating your pathologically chronic posting, telling everyone here they are lying?
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It's been explained to you that kids have gone to the police and nothing has been done. Others do not name their abusers here because they don't want to jepordize possible lawsuits.
Look, if someone abused you they cannot sue you for talking about it, unless of course you twist the definition of the word. If you were truly abused by the legal definition of the word just say so and call the guy out.
If you were forced to study for 2 hours every night or finish your dinner or carry wood then yes you could have a problem calling a person an abuser and you could be sued. I think this is why many keep quiet is because they were forced to do things that they didnt want to do and they are pissed but it wasnt abuse.
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Asshole, people aren't afraid of being sued, they're afraid of jepordizing their own cases where THEY sue
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So, you are saying he is lying, even though he gave the name of the program.
So, when kids don't give the name of the program that abused them they are lying, but if they do give the name of the program that abused them they are lying?
Your purpose is to plant that seed of doubt in the uninvolved reader's mind that everyone is lying. That is the only reasonable explanation for your "conclusion" that it not giving names means the kid is lying, and then saying that even if they do give names they are lying.
Ha,Ha,Ha, no calm down. I am talking about one person, not everyone. He was trolling, but everyone wants to believe the abuse stories so much no one even questioned it. It was sort of interesting actually to sit back and watch, if that had been a parent telling his/her success story they would have been grilled from all angles and everyone would have had the troll meter set to "10" !!
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It's been explained to you that kids have gone to the police and nothing has been done. Others do not name their abusers here because they don't want to jepordize possible lawsuits.
Look, if someone abused you they cannot sue you for talking about it, unless of course you twist the definition of the word. If you were truly abused by the legal definition of the word just say so and call the guy out.
If you were forced to study for 2 hours every night or finish your dinner or carry wood then yes you could have a problem calling a person an abuser and you could be sued. I think this is why many keep quiet is because they were forced to do things that they didnt want to do and they are pissed but it wasnt abuse.
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Asshole, people aren't afraid of being sued, they're afraid of jepordizing their own cases where THEY sue
No they are not, if they post anonymously.
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It's been explained to you that kids have gone to the police and nothing has been done. Others do not name their abusers here because they don't want to jepordize possible lawsuits.
Look, if someone abused you they cannot sue you for talking about it, unless of course you twist the definition of the word. If you were truly abused by the legal definition of the word just say so and call the guy out.
If you were forced to study for 2 hours every night or finish your dinner or carry wood then yes you could have a problem calling a person an abuser and you could be sued. I think this is why many keep quiet is because they were forced to do things that they didnt want to do and they are pissed but it wasnt abuse.
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Asshole, people aren't afraid of being sued, they're afraid of jepordizing their own cases where THEY sue
No they are not, if they post anonymously.
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Um, yes they are. Please don't tell me what goes on in my own brain at the advice of lawyers
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So, you are saying he is lying, even though he gave the name of the program.
So, when kids don't give the name of the program that abused them they are lying, but if they do give the name of the program that abused them they are lying?
Your purpose is to plant that seed of doubt in the uninvolved reader's mind that everyone is lying. That is the only reasonable explanation for your "conclusion" that it not giving names means the kid is lying, and then saying that even if they do give names they are lying.
Ha,Ha,Ha, no calm down. I am talking about one person, not everyone. He was trolling, but everyone wants to believe the abuse stories so much no one even questioned it. It was sort of interesting actually to sit back and watch, if that had been a parent telling his/her success story they would have been grilled from all angles and everyone would have had the troll meter set to "10" !!
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Hmm. First you apologized for making fun of the kid who posted details of his abuse at TB. Now you continue to call him a liar by calling him a "troll".
I guess your purpose is to pretend you never told a kid he was lying, as that makes you seem insensitive. You have to be a spokeperson. you're too oily, and are obviously interested in doing nothing but shallow p.r.
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not true parents who put their kids in programs when all else has failed and they are sick and tired of the lying, disrespect, drugs in the house and all the drama and just want their kids to be respectful and respect boundaries
Many here dont understand you. Most of the posters here had full scholrships to an ivy league school and never did anything wrong. They respected their parents rules, didnt do drugs, never told a lie or over stepped the boundaries.
For some unknown reason their parents took loans out on their homes and sent them to a program. Maybe their parents enjoyed being in debt or wanted to work an extra couple of years before retirement.
All we really know is the results of the childs life is clearly the fault of the parents, anyone can see that.
Again, you are a troll, but quite good at showcasing the pathology of the abusive program parent. For whatever reason, you feel that you are offspring who "never does anything wrong". Normal parents know that there would be something wrong with a kid if they actually did do nothing wrong.
The only kid who does nothing wrong is a dead kid. Which brings me back to the subject of this thread. A dead kid id the only kid a program parent can handle.
Therefore, they don't care ,at a normal level, when their kid dies. Finally, they have a kid that's stopped giving them trouble.
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not true parents who put their kids in programs when all else has failed and they are sick and tired of the lying, disrespect, drugs in the house and all the drama and just want their kids to be respectful and respect boundaries
Many here dont understand you. Most of the posters here had full scholrships to an ivy league school and never did anything wrong. They respected their parents rules, didnt do drugs, never told a lie or over stepped the boundaries.
For some unknown reason their parents took loans out on their homes and sent them to a program. Maybe their parents enjoyed being in debt or wanted to work an extra couple of years before retirement.
All we really know is the results of the childs life is clearly the fault of the parents, anyone can see that.
Again, you are a troll, but quite good at showcasing the pathology of the abusive program parent. For whatever reason, you feel that you are offspring who "never does anything wrong". Normal parents know that there would be something wrong with a kid if they actually did do nothing wrong.
The only kid who does nothing wrong is a dead kid. Which brings me back to the subject of this thread. A dead kid id the only kid a program parent can handle.
Therefore, they don't care ,at a normal level, when their kid dies. Finally, they have a kid that's stopped giving them trouble.
Unfortunately there is a wide spectrum of parents and children. They dont all fall into the category of good or bad. Kids dont just "do something wrong" or not "do something wrong". There are varying degrees which at some level requires action. The action has varying degrees, some action is effective locally and some kids require action outside the home.
The world isnt black and white each case is different.
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Yup, this is the type of help, at aspen, that you advocate:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... c&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=15260&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60)
There were more kids who were dangers to themselves. I honestly think ASR is very lucky in that no one has succeeded in committing suicide. I can tell you first hand that for someone with major depression ASR could drive you past breaking point easily. It seemed like they pick and chose who they took seriously about being suicidal. I was not taken seriously, and had my roommate not been in the room one day, I may well have taken my life. I do not say that to evoke pity or anything else like that, and I was not using it to "manipulate" ( a favorite ASR term)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... c&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=15260&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60)
Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
1) What is self-study?
2) Describe this Escorting more please?
3) Why was a student doing the escorting of a self-harming/suicidal resident and not a staff member?
A self study was the worst of the three major consequences. (reflection, challenge, self study). You had work projects, all free time was spent at your table, facing the wall. Lots of writing assignments. Loss of all privileges. Standing during all meetings. You most likely had strict bans
Basically I had to take her back to the dorm and be with her while she gathered up her things and changed, etc. I don't remember if she showered or not. I was basically there to make sure she didn't attempt again.
I don't know why they had me do it. I was "trusted" at that point, and honestly... probably a better choice than some of the staff.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... r&start=15 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=15)
yes, they did. to a large degree. Dean Kent (the staff mentioned in the article) was gone by the time i had arrived. (he was there in 1997, and i got to ASR in Cummington, MA on January 5th of 1998) i had heard from other students about Dean, that he was a really nice guy but fired b/c he'd called DSS on them. Brett Carey was still the Dean of Student Life when i arrived, and his wife Lisa also helped in the fitness department & was pregnant when i first arrived. They had 2 other daughters, Madison & Carly. The whole thought was a bit frightening, because when we had the 2 hour group "therapy" sessions 2 times a week, they were harsh and abusive to say the least. All of us students would be split into 2 groups, and we'd be rounded up in a circle to get screamed at, belittled and dehumanized. They called it "confrontational", although it was more like verbal abuse and intentional slaughtering.
i was very afraid while i was there, as a student with an extensive sexual abuse history involving rape & incest, i was constantly the target of this slaughtering, esp. b/c i was overweight at the time. needless to say, i left ASR with anorexia some 19 months later.
Brett & other students were all allowed to scream vulgarities at you, called you a "fat bitch, slut," and all. at the age of 15 i learned the word "dildo" while playing scrabble with Brett. One of my roomates claimed that Brett had forced her into sexual operations.
Most of all, it was excusable for students to haze each other.
It was almost looked at as funny. One Staff named Kristen Merhoff gave me funny looks and made sarcastic and patronizing comments when i'd opened up to her about my eating disorder.
Later on, a staff named Amy Robichaud would scream at me for ruining my life, pushing everyone away, talking about how i was a disasterous person, unworthy of being loved. To say the least, she was an abusive person, much alike a person in the throws of an addiction like alchoholism & drug addictions, both of which she admittedly had. There was a great deal of favoritism there, even staff who seemed to want to gain the approval of certain students.
The labor & sleep deprivation that was mentioned in the article is most likely in reference to the "Lifesteps". These were so called "workshops" it was mandatory for all students to attend. Staff and students would be expected to open up there deepest and most unknown
secrets for the sake of "growing". It's true, there was little sleeping allowed & often i myself left feeling shamed & ridiculed.
i was one of the main targets in that school the entire time i was there, a target of hazing & was even blamed for a student breaking into the med office and comsuming large quantities of my prescriptions. For the first 5 months i was there, you could litterally leave, go smoke 1/2 a pack of cigarettes, drop a couple tabs of acid, take like 5 hits off a joint come back & they wouldn't even realize it.
ASR is, to say the least, a very very fucked up place. i have several more things to say, but this whole thing would take eons.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... r&start=30 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=30)
I am a former student at ASR. I was in the first peer group, 97-98. My experience there haunts me to this day. I have read many articles that refer to the "old staff" and "new staff". I cannot speak for the way ASR is run now, being 2004, but I can speak for how it was run in 97 and 98. Let me start by saying that I am not an angry, defiant kid who is trying to start trouble for ASR. I have graduated high school and am about to graduate college and enter law school. I don't get into trouble, I am a productive member of society, and want people to know the truth. We were badgered, belittled, sworn at, made to stay up all night during "life steps" and given only small rations of food, had all calls to our parents monitored by staff and had the phone hung up on us if we tried to complain to our parents about these things, scrutinized and humiliated on a daily basis. Our mail was read, staff lost their voices by yelling so loudly at us, I personally was called a "slut", a rich little Daddysgirl, a doormat, told my dad tried to buy my love with money, made to discuss personal sexual and private experiences in group sessions with other peers, made to write a ten page paper by hand about what my "issues" were, and if the staff didn't like it, I started over ( this was because I was too close to my friend there, and they put us on bans so we couldn't talk to each other). People, whomever wants to hear specific stories about all of these things, I would be more than happy to share with you!!! email me at [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected]) i bet i can help you get her out of there
I also graduated from ASR very recently on August the 6th. And I can tell you right now that any kid who complained, their parents were manipulated right out of believing them. There was extreme emotional abuse there, and the only reason anyone's behavior was modified was because they were scared shitless of staying there longer or going to a worse program. We were so scared, your own friends turned against you and you couldnt trust them. The group sessions were awful. One of my friends who had issues with sleeping around was in group and the counselor in the room told her that she might as well keep a mattress tied to her back. Daily, I heard awful things about myself and everyday I was just so sad. Places like this are awful and they need to be stopped. ASR isnt even the worst of them but they all need to go.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... r&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=60)
I am a an ASR graduate. I graduated in October of 03. At the end of the program I believed that ASR had done a lot for me. Looking back I am shocked that I ever thought that. I was made to turn against my friends and turn them in for the slightest rule breaking (for example listening to music). In group we were often degraded and yelled at, supposedly to make us better. Several times I was suicidal and instead of worrying they told me I was lying and being manipulative. In one group eveyone was allowed to go around and say their judgements against everyone else things like "youre a fat slut". That group was horrible. You were scared into being good and behaving. I'm not sure why I thought this place was so great, I feel as if I was brainwashed in a way.
The wilderness experience was horrible. I spent over 40 days in the outdoors being punished for any little thing we did wrong. My first day I had to run 20 minutes and when I stopped the counselers screamed at me and when i vomited they didnt care. just told me i shouldt have drank so muich water.
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not true parents who put their kids in programs when all else has failed and they are sick and tired of the lying, disrespect, drugs in the house and all the drama and just want their kids to be respectful and respect boundaries
Many here dont understand you. Most of the posters here had full scholrships to an ivy league school and never did anything wrong. They respected their parents rules, didnt do drugs, never told a lie or over stepped the boundaries.
For some unknown reason their parents took loans out on their homes and sent them to a program. Maybe their parents enjoyed being in debt or wanted to work an extra couple of years before retirement.
All we really know is the results of the childs life is clearly the fault of the parents, anyone can see that.
Again, you are a troll, but quite good at showcasing the pathology of the abusive program parent. For whatever reason, you feel that you are offspring who "never does anything wrong". Normal parents know that there would be something wrong with a kid if they actually did do nothing wrong.
The only kid who does nothing wrong is a dead kid. Which brings me back to the subject of this thread. A dead kid id the only kid a program parent can handle.
Therefore, they don't care ,at a normal level, when their kid dies. Finally, they have a kid that's stopped giving them trouble.
Unfortunately there is a wide spectrum of parents and children. They dont all fall into the category of good or bad. Kids dont just "do something wrong" or not "do something wrong". There are varying degrees which at some level requires action. The action has varying degrees, some action is effective locally and some kids require action outside the home.
The world isnt black and white each case is different.
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Yep, if a kid's an immediate threat to themself, or another person by a non self defensive act ,or response to intense provocation, there may a need for placement outside of home...in a hospital, the only people qualified to give this level of care. Your programs have been clinically proved to do nothing but hurt kids.
The hospitalization should only last until the immediate crisis has passed. There should be a real inquiry into why there was a crisis. Usually, it's that a kid is in an extremely dysfunctional or abusive home. The kid should be allowed to go to an environment of their choosing -friend's family, a family member who they feel comfortable with.
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Yup, this is the type of help, at aspen, that you advocate:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... c&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=15260&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60)
There were more kids who were dangers to themselves. I honestly think ASR is very lucky in that no one has succeeded in committing suicide. I can tell you first hand that for someone with major depression ASR could drive you past breaking point easily. It seemed like they pick and chose who they took seriously about being suicidal. I was not taken seriously, and had my roommate not been in the room one day, I may well have taken my life. I do not say that to evoke pity or anything else like that, and I was not using it to "manipulate" ( a favorite ASR term)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... c&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=15260&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60)
Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
1) What is self-study?
2) Describe this Escorting more please?
3) Why was a student doing the escorting of a self-harming/suicidal resident and not a staff member?
A self study was the worst of the three major consequences. (reflection, challenge, self study). You had work projects, all free time was spent at your table, facing the wall. Lots of writing assignments. Loss of all privileges. Standing during all meetings. You most likely had strict bans
Basically I had to take her back to the dorm and be with her while she gathered up her things and changed, etc. I don't remember if she showered or not. I was basically there to make sure she didn't attempt again.
I don't know why they had me do it. I was "trusted" at that point, and honestly... probably a better choice than some of the staff.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... r&start=15 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=15)
yes, they did. to a large degree. Dean Kent (the staff mentioned in the article) was gone by the time i had arrived. (he was there in 1997, and i got to ASR in Cummington, MA on January 5th of 1998) i had heard from other students about Dean, that he was a really nice guy but fired b/c he'd called DSS on them. Brett Carey was still the Dean of Student Life when i arrived, and his wife Lisa also helped in the fitness department & was pregnant when i first arrived. They had 2 other daughters, Madison & Carly. The whole thought was a bit frightening, because when we had the 2 hour group "therapy" sessions 2 times a week, they were harsh and abusive to say the least. All of us students would be split into 2 groups, and we'd be rounded up in a circle to get screamed at, belittled and dehumanized. They called it "confrontational", although it was more like verbal abuse and intentional slaughtering.
i was very afraid while i was there, as a student with an extensive sexual abuse history involving rape & incest, i was constantly the target of this slaughtering, esp. b/c i was overweight at the time. needless to say, i left ASR with anorexia some 19 months later.
Brett & other students were all allowed to scream vulgarities at you, called you a "fat bitch, slut," and all. at the age of 15 i learned the word "dildo" while playing scrabble with Brett. One of my roomates claimed that Brett had forced her into sexual operations.
Most of all, it was excusable for students to haze each other.
It was almost looked at as funny. One Staff named Kristen Merhoff gave me funny looks and made sarcastic and patronizing comments when i'd opened up to her about my eating disorder.
Later on, a staff named Amy Robichaud would scream at me for ruining my life, pushing everyone away, talking about how i was a disasterous person, unworthy of being loved. To say the least, she was an abusive person, much alike a person in the throws of an addiction like alchoholism & drug addictions, both of which she admittedly had. There was a great deal of favoritism there, even staff who seemed to want to gain the approval of certain students.
The labor & sleep deprivation that was mentioned in the article is most likely in reference to the "Lifesteps". These were so called "workshops" it was mandatory for all students to attend. Staff and students would be expected to open up there deepest and most unknown
secrets for the sake of "growing". It's true, there was little sleeping allowed & often i myself left feeling shamed & ridiculed.
i was one of the main targets in that school the entire time i was there, a target of hazing & was even blamed for a student breaking into the med office and comsuming large quantities of my prescriptions. For the first 5 months i was there, you could litterally leave, go smoke 1/2 a pack of cigarettes, drop a couple tabs of acid, take like 5 hits off a joint come back & they wouldn't even realize it.
ASR is, to say the least, a very very fucked up place. i have several more things to say, but this whole thing would take eons.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... r&start=30 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=30)
I am a former student at ASR. I was in the first peer group, 97-98. My experience there haunts me to this day. I have read many articles that refer to the "old staff" and "new staff". I cannot speak for the way ASR is run now, being 2004, but I can speak for how it was run in 97 and 98. Let me start by saying that I am not an angry, defiant kid who is trying to start trouble for ASR. I have graduated high school and am about to graduate college and enter law school. I don't get into trouble, I am a productive member of society, and want people to know the truth. We were badgered, belittled, sworn at, made to stay up all night during "life steps" and given only small rations of food, had all calls to our parents monitored by staff and had the phone hung up on us if we tried to complain to our parents about these things, scrutinized and humiliated on a daily basis. Our mail was read, staff lost their voices by yelling so loudly at us, I personally was called a "slut", a rich little Daddysgirl, a doormat, told my dad tried to buy my love with money, made to discuss personal sexual and private experiences in group sessions with other peers, made to write a ten page paper by hand about what my "issues" were, and if the staff didn't like it, I started over ( this was because I was too close to my friend there, and they put us on bans so we couldn't talk to each other). People, whomever wants to hear specific stories about all of these things, I would be more than happy to share with you!!! email me at [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected]) i bet i can help you get her out of there
I also graduated from ASR very recently on August the 6th. And I can tell you right now that any kid who complained, their parents were manipulated right out of believing them. There was extreme emotional abuse there, and the only reason anyone's behavior was modified was because they were scared shitless of staying there longer or going to a worse program. We were so scared, your own friends turned against you and you couldnt trust them. The group sessions were awful. One of my friends who had issues with sleeping around was in group and the counselor in the room told her that she might as well keep a mattress tied to her back. Daily, I heard awful things about myself and everyday I was just so sad. Places like this are awful and they need to be stopped. ASR isnt even the worst of them but they all need to go.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... r&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=60)
I am a an ASR graduate. I graduated in October of 03. At the end of the program I believed that ASR had done a lot for me. Looking back I am shocked that I ever thought that. I was made to turn against my friends and turn them in for the slightest rule breaking (for example listening to music). In group we were often degraded and yelled at, supposedly to make us better. Several times I was suicidal and instead of worrying they told me I was lying and being manipulative. In one group eveyone was allowed to go around and say their judgements against everyone else things like "youre a fat slut". That group was horrible. You were scared into being good and behaving. I'm not sure why I thought this place was so great, I feel as if I was brainwashed in a way.
The wilderness experience was horrible. I spent over 40 days in the outdoors being punished for any little thing we did wrong. My first day I had to run 20 minutes and when I stopped the counselers screamed at me and when i vomited they didnt care. just told me i shouldt have drank so muich water.
The first 2 seem to be okay, fairly benign, though the last three are suspect and may be fabricated to make the school look bad. If you could find the original posts and ink them properly, they may be more believable.
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My son was at ASR when base camp existed (he hated it) and he really changed a lot in Costa Rica (he apparently loved it.) He has written many essays (in others schools--he was only 15 when he left ASR) and I can think of no reason he would "lie" subsequently. He loved CR. I can certainly agree that giving the party line back could be a serious problem if groups were as coercive as described but that my son was still writing about CR in college admission essays seems uncoerced to me.
My son kept all his written work--even the self study which I guess was a severe punishment, although he did not describe it as such at the time. However, reading it (with him) years later, he explained his thought processes and it seems that he gained from putting his thoughts into writing. If he had to sit that would have been fine with him--standing at a meeting would not have been. However, the content of the self-study really seems to be the point and it is self-evidently valuable to him and to me, sharing it later.
I agree te education was mediocre but since my son did not like school anyway, I don't think there was a lot lost in 14 months. He did better in school upon returning home, so I think his increased motivation for living allowed him to catch up whatever was poorly taught (or not taught) at ASR. His SAT scores were fine but maybe they would have been anyway with or without ASR.
Currently my son is 19 and a student in NYC. He is in contact with several members of his peer group and most are doing OK--the exceptions seem to be those with heavy drug problems when they entered. That was not a problem for my son but I wondered when he was there if those students who were clearly addicted to drugs were well served in the program at ASR.
I think program match is important. I did not use an educational consultant. I wanted a program that was structured but not strict b-mod, had no sports teams and had an "artsy" student population where violence was not tolerated. The day before our first family resolution, a member of the peer group was kicked out for hitting someone. Although I was sorry for that boy, I was very glad my son was in a program where that would happen; if my son had felt bullied, he never would have opened his mouth.
While he was there, my son filed a complaint in writing against the PE teacher because he thought he was too much like a drill sergeant. This complaint was treated seriously and the PE teacher left. My son was depressed and rather shy (but very compassionate) so it is hard for me to reconcile what I am reading with him filing a complaint. If he had felt unsafe, he would not have done that.
Finally, I thought the consulting psychiatrist's approach to medication was cautious (which is good) and far better than we had experienced in the community--where meds are thrown around too freely IMO. Like another parent, my son had a say in his meds--mainly trying to find one that would lift the depression with the fewest side effects.
In short, I know no program is above criticism but getting away from the public school bullies (and then finishing h.s. at a private day school) gave my son the break he needed to get some perspective that adulthood could work for him if he could survive childhood.
As far as the person who said parents were not supposed to come to the weekends?? Every parent of the kids in the peer group was there including divorced parents who were not otherwise speaking. One child's parent could not go the CR and she appeared unhappy about that. Every other family had one or both parents in CR.
I was directed to this site by someone who is very confused about what to do for her son--she has exhausted local options and she fears the looming drug exposure in high school (with justification I think.) She knows me and my son well. She knows that I didn't just want to get rid of him for a while--and she can see how he has changed from a highly problematic young teen into a functional young adult. I am interested in whether ASR positively contributed to that change--or as someone stated, he "just grew up." Some of each is possible--but I fear that at home with the bullies, the huge high school, and the potential for serious drug use, and suicidality, he would not have survived to grow up.
Just a Mom
http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=242405#242405
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Battle of the copy paste is on. Here's a tip: nobody other than yourselves care.
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Yup, this is the type of help, at aspen, that you advocate:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... c&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=15260&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60)
There were more kids who were dangers to themselves. I honestly think ASR is very lucky in that no one has succeeded in committing suicide. I can tell you first hand that for someone with major depression ASR could drive you past breaking point easily. It seemed like they pick and chose who they took seriously about being suicidal. I was not taken seriously, and had my roommate not been in the room one day, I may well have taken my life. I do not say that to evoke pity or anything else like that, and I was not using it to "manipulate" ( a favorite ASR term)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... c&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=15260&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60)
Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
1) What is self-study?
2) Describe this Escorting more please?
3) Why was a student doing the escorting of a self-harming/suicidal resident and not a staff member?
A self study was the worst of the three major consequences. (reflection, challenge, self study). You had work projects, all free time was spent at your table, facing the wall. Lots of writing assignments. Loss of all privileges. Standing during all meetings. You most likely had strict bans
Basically I had to take her back to the dorm and be with her while she gathered up her things and changed, etc. I don't remember if she showered or not. I was basically there to make sure she didn't attempt again.
I don't know why they had me do it. I was "trusted" at that point, and honestly... probably a better choice than some of the staff.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... r&start=15 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=15)
yes, they did. to a large degree. Dean Kent (the staff mentioned in the article) was gone by the time i had arrived. (he was there in 1997, and i got to ASR in Cummington, MA on January 5th of 1998) i had heard from other students about Dean, that he was a really nice guy but fired b/c he'd called DSS on them. Brett Carey was still the Dean of Student Life when i arrived, and his wife Lisa also helped in the fitness department & was pregnant when i first arrived. They had 2 other daughters, Madison & Carly. The whole thought was a bit frightening, because when we had the 2 hour group "therapy" sessions 2 times a week, they were harsh and abusive to say the least. All of us students would be split into 2 groups, and we'd be rounded up in a circle to get screamed at, belittled and dehumanized. They called it "confrontational", although it was more like verbal abuse and intentional slaughtering.
i was very afraid while i was there, as a student with an extensive sexual abuse history involving rape & incest, i was constantly the target of this slaughtering, esp. b/c i was overweight at the time. needless to say, i left ASR with anorexia some 19 months later.
Brett & other students were all allowed to scream vulgarities at you, called you a "fat bitch, slut," and all. at the age of 15 i learned the word "dildo" while playing scrabble with Brett. One of my roomates claimed that Brett had forced her into sexual operations.
Most of all, it was excusable for students to haze each other.
It was almost looked at as funny. One Staff named Kristen Merhoff gave me funny looks and made sarcastic and patronizing comments when i'd opened up to her about my eating disorder.
Later on, a staff named Amy Robichaud would scream at me for ruining my life, pushing everyone away, talking about how i was a disasterous person, unworthy of being loved. To say the least, she was an abusive person, much alike a person in the throws of an addiction like alchoholism & drug addictions, both of which she admittedly had. There was a great deal of favoritism there, even staff who seemed to want to gain the approval of certain students.
The labor & sleep deprivation that was mentioned in the article is most likely in reference to the "Lifesteps". These were so called "workshops" it was mandatory for all students to attend. Staff and students would be expected to open up there deepest and most unknown
secrets for the sake of "growing". It's true, there was little sleeping allowed & often i myself left feeling shamed & ridiculed.
i was one of the main targets in that school the entire time i was there, a target of hazing & was even blamed for a student breaking into the med office and comsuming large quantities of my prescriptions. For the first 5 months i was there, you could litterally leave, go smoke 1/2 a pack of cigarettes, drop a couple tabs of acid, take like 5 hits off a joint come back & they wouldn't even realize it.
ASR is, to say the least, a very very fucked up place. i have several more things to say, but this whole thing would take eons.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... r&start=30 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=30)
I am a former student at ASR. I was in the first peer group, 97-98. My experience there haunts me to this day. I have read many articles that refer to the "old staff" and "new staff". I cannot speak for the way ASR is run now, being 2004, but I can speak for how it was run in 97 and 98. Let me start by saying that I am not an angry, defiant kid who is trying to start trouble for ASR. I have graduated high school and am about to graduate college and enter law school. I don't get into trouble, I am a productive member of society, and want people to know the truth. We were badgered, belittled, sworn at, made to stay up all night during "life steps" and given only small rations of food, had all calls to our parents monitored by staff and had the phone hung up on us if we tried to complain to our parents about these things, scrutinized and humiliated on a daily basis. Our mail was read, staff lost their voices by yelling so loudly at us, I personally was called a "slut", a rich little Daddysgirl, a doormat, told my dad tried to buy my love with money, made to discuss personal sexual and private experiences in group sessions with other peers, made to write a ten page paper by hand about what my "issues" were, and if the staff didn't like it, I started over ( this was because I was too close to my friend there, and they put us on bans so we couldn't talk to each other). People, whomever wants to hear specific stories about all of these things, I would be more than happy to share with you!!! email me at [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected]) i bet i can help you get her out of there
I also graduated from ASR very recently on August the 6th. And I can tell you right now that any kid who complained, their parents were manipulated right out of believing them. There was extreme emotional abuse there, and the only reason anyone's behavior was modified was because they were scared shitless of staying there longer or going to a worse program. We were so scared, your own friends turned against you and you couldnt trust them. The group sessions were awful. One of my friends who had issues with sleeping around was in group and the counselor in the room told her that she might as well keep a mattress tied to her back. Daily, I heard awful things about myself and everyday I was just so sad. Places like this are awful and they need to be stopped. ASR isnt even the worst of them but they all need to go.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... r&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=60)
I am a an ASR graduate. I graduated in October of 03. At the end of the program I believed that ASR had done a lot for me. Looking back I am shocked that I ever thought that. I was made to turn against my friends and turn them in for the slightest rule breaking (for example listening to music). In group we were often degraded and yelled at, supposedly to make us better. Several times I was suicidal and instead of worrying they told me I was lying and being manipulative. In one group eveyone was allowed to go around and say their judgements against everyone else things like "youre a fat slut". That group was horrible. You were scared into being good and behaving. I'm not sure why I thought this place was so great, I feel as if I was brainwashed in a way.
The wilderness experience was horrible. I spent over 40 days in the outdoors being punished for any little thing we did wrong. My first day I had to run 20 minutes and when I stopped the counselers screamed at me and when i vomited they didnt care. just told me i shouldt have drank so muich water.
The first 2 seem to be okay, fairly benign, though the last three are suspect and may be fabricated to make the school look bad. If you could find the original posts and ink them properly, they may be more believable.
Considering how many kids have died at aspen because they've not been given medical care, i don't think that the first two posts are benign. Considering how many kids have committed suicide after aspen I don't think writing that aspen pushes past the breaking point is benign. And having a child "guard" another child who is deemed suicidal because there are not more trustworthy adults available is not benign. And the "consequances" are not benign either, except for pro child tortuers, like yourslef, who.
And what makes you say that the rest are exagerations? I thought as long as the programs are named you can beleive the survivors.
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Battle of the copy paste is on. Here's a tip: nobody other than yourselves care.
Except for no-life-loser-trolls like yourself, eh?
Here's a tip: when you don't care, you don't comment.
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And what makes you say that the rest are exagerations?
Try clicking on the links. They are fake. Makes you wonder if the stories are true.
I have seen people try to pull this before and it turned out the original posts never existed.
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Battle of the copy paste is on. Here's a tip: nobody other than yourselves care.
Except for no-life-loser-trolls like yourself, eh?
Here's a tip: when you don't care, you don't comment.
Ouch, that stings. Why are you so cruel? Did your parents sexually abuse you and your misplaced revenge guides you to hate an online stranger? I pity you, please seek the help you so obviously need.
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Guess that means you care. Of course you do, as a child torturer. What? No chance at social promotion outside the confines of cult? Take out your anger on helpless abduction victims? You are pathetic, but I don’t pity you. I hope you get the sentence your victims need.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=1080&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=1080&start=0)
Here's a link to one of the testimonies that should work. If not, well, just go to the Aspen Forum. It takes a little digging and research, but all those testimonies are there. And any caring official/parent doesn't mind a lil research.
And I guess we agree that these testimonies are all true now, as the "argument" was that they can't be believed because the "links didn’t work." Glad that's settled. Aspen is an abusive cult.
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Guess that means you care. Of course you do, as a child torturer. What? No chance at social promotion outside the confines of cult? Take out your anger on helpless abduction victims? You are pathetic, but I don’t pity you. I hope you get the sentence your victims need.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=1080&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=1080&start=0)
Here's a link to one of the testimonies that should work. If not, well, just go to the Aspen Forum. It takes a little digging and research, but all those testimonies are there. And any caring official/parent doesn't mind a lil research.
And I guess we agree that these testimonies are all true now, as the "argument" was that they can't be believed because the "links didn’t work." Glad that's settled. Aspen is an abusive cult.
Well we have to believe you have fabricated the stories, once again, unless you can get these to work. You try to trick us by making the first two link up and then assume no one will check the others. This time you got caught.
http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=60
http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=30
http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=15
I will show you... I will post a story and then provide a link to the original post so that it can be verified.
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Like this: The link (to the original post) is at the bottom.
My son was at ASR when base camp existed (he hated it) and he really changed a lot in Costa Rica (he apparently loved it.) He has written many essays (in others schools--he was only 15 when he left ASR) and I can think of no reason he would "lie" subsequently. He loved CR. I can certainly agree that giving the party line back could be a serious problem if groups were as coercive as described but that my son was still writing about CR in college admission essays seems uncoerced to me.
My son kept all his written work--even the self study which I guess was a severe punishment, although he did not describe it as such at the time. However, reading it (with him) years later, he explained his thought processes and it seems that he gained from putting his thoughts into writing. If he had to sit that would have been fine with him--standing at a meeting would not have been. However, the content of the self-study really seems to be the point and it is self-evidently valuable to him and to me, sharing it later.
I agree te education was mediocre but since my son did not like school anyway, I don't think there was a lot lost in 14 months. He did better in school upon returning home, so I think his increased motivation for living allowed him to catch up whatever was poorly taught (or not taught) at ASR. His SAT scores were fine but maybe they would have been anyway with or without ASR.
Currently my son is 19 and a student in NYC. He is in contact with several members of his peer group and most are doing OK--the exceptions seem to be those with heavy drug problems when they entered. That was not a problem for my son but I wondered when he was there if those students who were clearly addicted to drugs were well served in the program at ASR.
I think program match is important. I did not use an educational consultant. I wanted a program that was structured but not strict b-mod, had no sports teams and had an "artsy" student population where violence was not tolerated. The day before our first family resolution, a member of the peer group was kicked out for hitting someone. Although I was sorry for that boy, I was very glad my son was in a program where that would happen; if my son had felt bullied, he never would have opened his mouth.
While he was there, my son filed a complaint in writing against the PE teacher because he thought he was too much like a drill sergeant. This complaint was treated seriously and the PE teacher left. My son was depressed and rather shy (but very compassionate) so it is hard for me to reconcile what I am reading with him filing a complaint. If he had felt unsafe, he would not have done that.
Finally, I thought the consulting psychiatrist's approach to medication was cautious (which is good) and far better than we had experienced in the community--where meds are thrown around too freely IMO. Like another parent, my son had a say in his meds--mainly trying to find one that would lift the depression with the fewest side effects.
In short, I know no program is above criticism but getting away from the public school bullies (and then finishing h.s. at a private day school) gave my son the break he needed to get some perspective that adulthood could work for him if he could survive childhood.
As far as the person who said parents were not supposed to come to the weekends?? Every parent of the kids in the peer group was there including divorced parents who were not otherwise speaking. One child's parent could not go the CR and she appeared unhappy about that. Every other family had one or both parents in CR.
I was directed to this site by someone who is very confused about what to do for her son--she has exhausted local options and she fears the looming drug exposure in high school (with justification I think.) She knows me and my son well. She knows that I didn't just want to get rid of him for a while--and she can see how he has changed from a highly problematic young teen into a functional young adult. I am interested in whether ASR positively contributed to that change--or as someone stated, he "just grew up." Some of each is possible--but I fear that at home with the bullies, the huge high school, and the potential for serious drug use, and suicidality, he would not have survived to grow up.
Just a Mom
http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=242405#242405
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That's nice.
It was bullshit when it was posted.
Reposting bullshit doesn't make it anything other than bullshit.
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Guess that means you care. Of course you do, as a child torturer. What? No chance at social promotion outside the confines of cult? Take out your anger on helpless abduction victims? You are pathetic, but I don’t pity you. I hope you get the sentence your victims need.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=1080&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=1080&start=0)
Here's a link to one of the testimonies that should work. If not, well, just go to the Aspen Forum. It takes a little digging and research, but all those testimonies are there. And any caring official/parent doesn't mind a lil research.
And I guess we agree that these testimonies are all true now, as the "argument" was that they can't be believed because the "links didn’t work." Glad that's settled. Aspen is an abusive cult.
Well we have to believe you have fabricated the stories, once again, unless you can get these to work. You try to trick us by making the first two link up and then assume no one will check the others. This time you got caught.
http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=60
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http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=15
I will show you... I will post a story and then provide a link to the original post so that it can be verified.
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God, you’re unbelievable. "pnce again?" "writing stories with links that don't work cause I don't think that 'we' will check them?" You know what you're saying is gobeldy gook, but you post it anyway....Incredible. You really are a tried and true cultie, and employee of BAIN, owner of Aspen education, funder of, and founded by mitt Romney.
Honestly, who do you think you're fooling? You know the only people who come here are survivors, right? The few stray officials get grossed out by your spectacle of accusing people of "writing stories". People are not that creative. This crap exists outside the limits of the human imagination. And what is the agenda “I haveâ€
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Here's more fun info on asr. Inadvertently, the who gets the sick shit at asr on another thread, getting it more negative attention. If u read through this thread, you'll find the other survivor testimonies posted. It's funny ‘cause a real dad who was thinking of sending his kid there, comes in at the end and says that he read most of it and is terrified he even thought of sending his kid there...that’s how actual parents respond to page after page of heinous cult abuse... Contrast that with that who’s creepy p.r. darting occlusion
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... &start=170 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=15260&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=170)
_ We reviewed the law. Here's the update (moved from another thread):
Guest wrote:
You are correct, Robert.
Quote:
"DSS passed the information on to the state Office of Child Care Services, which sent an investigator, Eric Lieberman, to the academy.
Academy administrators told Lieberman it was true that students were denied sleep for 19 or 20 hours during the first LifeStep session, called "The Truth." Staff and students might stay up all night, then break for a nap between 5 and 7 a.m., then continue the session until 2 the next afternoon, the administrators said.
It (OCCS) cited the school for"using behavior management techniques which subject students to verbal abuse, ridicule and humiliation, denial ofsufficient sleep, and repetitive exercise as a response to an infraction of a rule."
OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily.
This is undeniable proof that ASR is willingly, wontonly and intentionally breaking a law which absolutely does apply to them - and they've been doing it for years.
So this puts this issue to rest. Not only is ASR breaking the law, they've already been cited for it. Thanks for contacting ASR, Who and posting the results of your conversation. You've incriminated them. They must be thrilled about your being their field representative/mouthpiece!
You were saying, Who?________________
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22078 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22078)
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: Island View is HELL
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I am a now 17 year old girl from Canada. My parents sent me to Island View June 8th 2005, they thought it would be of benifit to my well being and depression problems. The truth was along with extreme verbal abuse and deprivition of my rights, I broke my wrist during a mandatory game of team competition(keep in mind this is the least of it, it's just one example that is "undeniably" legitimate.) they refused to take me to the hospital disreguarding that I was crying hysterically. For 3 months after my injury along with being forced to eat a massive breakfast which I had to "check off" with staff I was forced to do push ups, chin ups and eventually since my complaints did not head my parents were charged for me to lift weights to "strengthen" my broken wrist with the physical therapist. Finally when I was allowed to go home for a visit in November I had it x-rayed revealing it had started out as a hairline fracture and would have just needed a cast for six week but had now been displaced and healed incorrectly. I had been reprimanded for my complaints as well "special groups" were held on my lying and I was talked to with such disrespect and provacation it was unbelievable. Finally after much more aggravation and time spent in the "time out room" (a hexagon shaped cynderblock wall room where i was forced to sit on a cold tile floor) I had my hip bone taken to put in my wrist on February 7th 2006, I was flown back to Utah a week after where I was forced to walk around and not spend time to recover and treated like I was causing them termoil. 2 months after my bone graft in April I had to run "the mile" I can't tell you the constant everyday abuse I spent 13 months going through there. It's now june 2007 and my wrist is still not healed. every night i have nightmares about being back there and this weekend i was denied access to the states to drop my younger sister off at weight loss camp in new york because of the record they gave me after running away on a visit home and being 16 i couldnt be sent back . that was a year ago. i hope to sue the motherfuckers. i wish i could show ever parents what a day there is like.
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Saying you are abused won't get you help, and your abusers punished.
A girl I know escaped a torture-cult, reported her abuse to a hospital. Instead of removing her from the environment until it was proved safe, and open a court case, the police merely sent her back.
Thanks, old friend, for some good sense and reason.
Why? Why are abusers not punished and kids not protected?
Firstly, there is corruption.
Secondly, there's the wealth of the torture-cults intimidating honest and brave DAs.
Thirdly, there's that by the time kids are strong enough to come forward, 5- 10 years have passed, along with the statute of limitations.
Fourthly, authorities are u unwilling or unclear on how to penalize abductors who, with the permission of guardians, kidnap humans and torture them
All in one: Snake oil... patent medicine.
Check out Dr. Linda Hazzard
Now there's a true believer. Believed so hard she cured herself to death. History never repeats itself, but it always rhymes.
In a very real sense, yeah, your attempt at sarcasm is just too true to be recognized as sarcasm, guest. And you remain a welcome guest. Preachin ta da choir is like playing with dead puppies. I'd rather waste my time talking politics with a drunk assed hucklebuck playboy. Pearls before swine. But this is a public forum so we have an audience. I've always wanted to drag this argument out into the more commonly accepted reality and see how it plays. Thanks, sincerely, for showing the rare sack to play into that. Belief in one's convictions, however misguided, is still an admirable quality. I'm not being snide, I mean that.
These kids are pretty normal. They're not the Rockwellian propaganda characters that never existed even in the day. Ask any old timer, they'll laugh to keep from crying then go quiet as they contemplate the fact that they'll too soon be dependent on this generation's dim wit for basic care. They'll do this on the way to the liquor store cause, sometimes, analgesic is the best you can do and they have their own prejudices against better varieties.
The kids are normal. The DOE quacks' fictitious "normal" kid is fucke up! Any kid who hasn't got the proper damage or the good luck and accumen to pass for one who does is tagged and bagged by the time they hit middle school.
Everyone's looking for a cure. If someone made little brain pills like Carter's little liver pills today they'd make a mint. Oh wait, they are! And when the pills don't work or the kid sells them for $5 hit in the locker room (as any pragmatic, right thinking capitalist would do) then we come into the freeish market answer; we just fucking brainwash them over to our way of thinking.
Just the other night, my good friend asked me--confrontationally--what the hell you do with a little girl who's cutting herself. I told him the only true and correct answer I know. I don't know. I don't know the kid, the parents, the situation. You have to know the kid well and love them well and forever. You can't pay somebody to do that for you. But there sure are a lot of hucksters, some self deluded as hell and those are the kinder souls, who will gleefully take your money for the empty promise. Count on it. If that fucks up your world try Dr. Linda Hazzard's starvation cure. It works if ya work it!
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Saying you are abused won't get you help, and your abusers punished.
A girl I know escaped a torture-cult, reported her abuse to a hospital. Instead of removing her from the environment until it was proved safe, and open a court case, the police merely sent her back.
Thanks, old friend, for some good sense and reason.
Why? Why are abusers not punished and kids not protected?
Firstly, there is corruption.
Secondly, there's the wealth of the torture-cults intimidating honest and brave DAs.
Thirdly, there's that by the time kids are strong enough to come forward, 5- 10 years have passed, along with the statute of limitations.
Fourthly, authorities are u unwilling or unclear on how to penalize abductors who, with the permission of guardians, kidnap humans and torture them
All in one: Snake oil... patent medicine.
Check out Dr. Linda Hazzard
Now there's a true believer. Believed so hard she cured herself to death. History never repeats itself, but it always rhymes.
In a very real sense, yeah, your attempt at sarcasm is just too true to be recognized as sarcasm, guest. And you remain a welcome guest. Preachin ta da choir is like playing with dead puppies. I'd rather waste my time talking politics with a drunk assed hucklebuck playboy. Pearls before swine. But this is a public forum so we have an audience. I've always wanted to drag this argument out into the more commonly accepted reality and see how it plays. Thanks, sincerely, for showing the rare sack to play into that. Belief in one's convictions, however misguided, is still an admirable quality. I'm not being snide, I mean that.
These kids are pretty normal. They're not the Rockwellian propaganda characters that never existed even in the day. Ask any old timer, they'll laugh to keep from crying then go quiet as they contemplate the fact that they'll too soon be dependent on this generation's dim wit for basic care. They'll do this on the way to the liquor store cause, sometimes, analgesic is the best you can do and they have their own prejudices against better varieties.
The kids are normal. The DOE quacks' fictitious "normal" kid is fucke up! Any kid who hasn't got the proper damage or the good luck and accumen to pass for one who does is tagged and bagged by the time they hit middle school.
Everyone's looking for a cure. If someone made little brain pills like Carter's little liver pills today they'd make a mint. Oh wait, they are! And when the pills don't work or the kid sells them for $5 hit in the locker room (as any pragmatic, right thinking capitalist would do) then we come into the freeish market answer; we just fucking brainwash them over to our way of thinking.
Just the other night, my good friend asked me--confrontationally--what the hell you do with a little girl who's cutting herself. I told him the only true and correct answer I know. I don't know. I don't know the kid, the parents, the situation. You have to know the kid well and love them well and forever. You can't pay somebody to do that for you. But there sure are a lot of hucksters, some self deluded as hell and those are the kinder souls, who will gleefully take your money for the empty promise. Count on it. If that fucks up your world try Dr. Linda Hazzard's starvation cure. It works if ya work it![/quote]
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Saying you are abused won't get you help, and your abusers punished.
A girl I know escaped a torture-cult, reported her abuse to a hospital. Instead of removing her from the environment until it was proved safe, and open a court case, the police merely sent her back.
Thanks, old friend, for some good sense and reason.
Why? Why are abusers not punished and kids not protected?
Firstly, there is corruption.
Secondly, there's the wealth of the torture-cults intimidating honest and brave DAs.
Thirdly, there's that by the time kids are strong enough to come forward, 5- 10 years have passed, along with the statute of limitations.
Fourthly, authorities are u unwilling or unclear on how to penalize abductors who, with the permission of guardians, kidnap humans and torture them
All in one: Snake oil... patent medicine.
Check out Dr. Linda Hazzard
Now there's a true believer. Believed so hard she cured herself to death. History never repeats itself, but it always rhymes.
In a very real sense, yeah, your attempt at sarcasm is just too true to be recognized as sarcasm, guest. And you remain a welcome guest. Preachin ta da choir is like playing with dead puppies. I'd rather waste my time talking politics with a drunk assed hucklebuck playboy. Pearls before swine. But this is a public forum so we have an audience. I've always wanted to drag this argument out into the more commonly accepted reality and see how it plays. Thanks, sincerely, for showing the rare sack to play into that. Belief in one's convictions, however misguided, is still an admirable quality. I'm not being snide, I mean that.
These kids are pretty normal. They're not the Rockwellian propaganda characters that never existed even in the day. Ask any old timer, they'll laugh to keep from crying then go quiet as they contemplate the fact that they'll too soon be dependent on this generation's dim wit for basic care. They'll do this on the way to the liquor store cause, sometimes, analgesic is the best you can do and they have their own prejudices against better varieties.
The kids are normal. The DOE quacks' fictitious "normal" kid is fucke up! Any kid who hasn't got the proper damage or the good luck and accumen to pass for one who does is tagged and bagged by the time they hit middle school.
Everyone's looking for a cure. If someone made little brain pills like Carter's little liver pills today they'd make a mint. Oh wait, they are! And when the pills don't work or the kid sells them for $5 hit in the locker room (as any pragmatic, right thinking capitalist would do) then we come into the freeish market answer; we just fucking brainwash them over to our way of thinking.
Just the other night, my good friend asked me--confrontationally--what the hell you do with a little girl who's cutting herself. I told him the only true and correct answer I know. I don't know. I don't know the kid, the parents, the situation. You have to know the kid well and love them well and forever. You can't pay somebody to do that for you. But there sure are a lot of hucksters, some self deluded as hell and those are the kinder souls, who will gleefully take your money for the empty promise. Count on it. If that fucks up your world try Dr. Linda Hazzard's starvation cure. It works if ya work it![/quote]
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Saying you are abused won't get you help, and your abusers punished.
A girl I know escaped a torture-cult, reported her abuse to a hospital. Instead of removing her from the environment until it was proved safe, and open a court case, the police merely sent her back.
Thanks, old friend, for some good sense and reason.
Why? Why are abusers not punished and kids not protected?
Firstly, there is corruption.
Secondly, there's the wealth of the torture-cults intimidating honest and brave DAs.
Thirdly, there's that by the time kids are strong enough to come forward, 5- 10 years have passed, along with the statute of limitations.
Fourthly, authorities are u unwilling or unclear on how to penalize abductors who, with the permission of guardians, kidnap humans and torture them
All in one: Snake oil... patent medicine.
Check out Dr. Linda Hazzard
Now there's a true believer. Believed so hard she cured herself to death. History never repeats itself, but it always rhymes.
In a very real sense, yeah, your attempt at sarcasm is just too true to be recognized as sarcasm, guest. And you remain a welcome guest. Preachin ta da choir is like playing with dead puppies. I'd rather waste my time talking politics with a drunk assed hucklebuck playboy. Pearls before swine. But this is a public forum so we have an audience. I've always wanted to drag this argument out into the more commonly accepted reality and see how it plays. Thanks, sincerely, for showing the rare sack to play into that. Belief in one's convictions, however misguided, is still an admirable quality. I'm not being snide, I mean that.
These kids are pretty normal. They're not the Rockwellian propaganda characters that never existed even in the day. Ask any old timer, they'll laugh to keep from crying then go quiet as they contemplate the fact that they'll too soon be dependent on this generation's dim wit for basic care. They'll do this on the way to the liquor store cause, sometimes, analgesic is the best you can do and they have their own prejudices against better varieties.
The kids are normal. The DOE quacks' fictitious "normal" kid is fucke up! Any kid who hasn't got the proper damage or the good luck and accumen to pass for one who does is tagged and bagged by the time they hit middle school.
Everyone's looking for a cure. If someone made little brain pills like Carter's little liver pills today they'd make a mint. Oh wait, they are! And when the pills don't work or the kid sells them for $5 hit in the locker room (as any pragmatic, right thinking capitalist would do) then we come into the freeish market answer; we just fucking brainwash them over to our way of thinking.
Just the other night, my good friend asked me--confrontationally--what the hell you do with a little girl who's cutting herself. I told him the only true and correct answer I know. I don't know. I don't know the kid, the parents, the situation. You have to know the kid well and love them well and forever. You can't pay somebody to do that for you. But there sure are a lot of hucksters, some self deluded as hell and those are the kinder souls, who will gleefully take your money for the empty promise. Count on it. If that fucks up your world try Dr. Linda Hazzard's starvation cure. It works if ya work it![/quote]
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The group of parents I’m speaking of couldn't be described as sociopaths. I don’t know if anyone can be. The Mentally ill are described with labels like “sociopathâ€
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Seems everyone is debating on whether or not the child needs to go to a program. The majority of the kids on the board seem to think it is all in the parents mind and there is nothing wrong with them. This is a typical childs reaction… I thought my folks were always wrong too.
But bottom line is the parents are in charge, if they see something wrong they are going to seek a solution for their child… the kid has little to say in the matter.. the same as if the child had a broken arm they are not going to discuss whether or not the child should see a doctor…they are going to seek advice and do the right thing. If the child objects they will console him/her the best they can but they still need to get to the hospital, especially if they care for their child.
Up to 30,000 children benefit from programs each year and a hand full are not and that is what you are reading here. Very few kids are abused in programs, in my opinion, because they would come out naming names and holding peoples feet to the fire instead of being obscure and blaming the industry as a whole.
If someone abused me when I was a teen, especially in school, people would know it!! I would write his name in bold letters across the sky until I got my day in court and I would watch them cuff him and carry him off to rot in jail….. but you don’t see that passion here… abuse has been redefined here to mean things like not having a cell phone or moving wood across the property, only being able to talk to their parents once per week (for many it is more than they talked to them when they were home)… but anyway I think in all fairness to the readers it is important to keep it all in perspective.
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Oh my God Who.....
You are all freaking talk. Here we are finally getting info out to people, (partially due to the botched up programming that was done to us during our experiences, partially due to technology of today) and you basicly call us liars.
If you would have been sent to a program when you were a teenager, people would not have believed you, because at that point you have been labeled, programmed, and the parent's being programmed as well (This is where you partially fit as you are a supposedly a program parent, as well as the other catagory, you are having program dollars hit your pocket for providing damage control).
Why not go and preach to the people on pro-program chat boards where you would be tolerated and maybe accepted, oh yeah..... I forgot you are on the payroll and would not get paid for "Preaching to the Choir."
But in all seriousness, you should consult a therapist and discuss this problem that you have with coming here to a place where nobody likes you, or agrees with you, even if it is open to the public. In your participating with ongoing confrontations with everybody you are displaying traits of Meglomania. You are constantly desiring battle with anyone who will engage. And you have a problem admitting defeat when you have lost the battle. (You lie to yourself.)
And all of this for what, so you can do your job at damage control for programs and put a dollar in your pocket.
High price to pay.... The loss of sanity to make a dollar.
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Narcissistic personality disorder is a real thing.
Many of these parents probably do have something wrong with them.
Everyone has to have something wrong with them or they would be considered perfect.
People are fascinated and relieved to know that everyone is flawed:
Like for instance:
Aretha Franklin,
Whoopi Goldberg,
Billy Bob Thornton
Muhammad Ali and
President Ronald Reagan
Were all Aerophobic
Adolf Hitler was claustrophobic
Napoleon Bonaparte suffered from ailurophobia
Andre Agassi is arachnophobic
Being perfect isnt allowed in our society because it scares people,
so we come up with a name tag for everything to show they are not perfect and have a disorder of some type like:
Arachibutyrophobia
Proctophobia
or
Allodoxaphobia (which many regulars here on fornits suffer from)
If you don’t suffer from one of these we will come up with something and provide the right medication to ease your anxiety.
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Oh goody! Another round of let's psychoannalise The Who. Ok, WTF, I've got some agression to blow off, I'll bite.
Your purpose is to plant that seed of doubt in the uninvolved reader's mind that everyone is lying. That is the only reasonable explanation for your "conclusion" that it not giving names means the kid is lying, and then saying that even if they do give names they are lying.
There's another, simpler one. It's a double bind that magically supports any cult follower's prime beliefe; the program is always right, trust the process, if it doesn't work for you it's a flaw in you, conform or shut the fuck up and PLEASE dear GOD don't threaten my illusions!
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You retards need to find another hobby.
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The group of parents I’m speaking of couldn't be described as sociopaths. I don’t know if anyone can be. The Mentally ill are described with labels like “sociopathâ€
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The group of parents I’m speaking of couldn't be described as sociopaths. I don’t know if anyone can be. The Mentally ill are described with labels like “sociopathâ€
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The group of parents I’m speaking of couldn't be described as sociopaths. I don’t know if anyone can be. The Mentally ill are described with labels like “sociopathâ€
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The group of parents I’m speaking of couldn't be described as sociopaths. I don’t know if anyone can be. The Mentally ill are described with labels like “sociopathâ€
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Allodoxaphobia :rofl:
Opinions are one thing. Using your OPINION to justify forcing your shit on other helpless people who can't even speak out about it much less get away is something else.
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Allodoxaphobia :rofl:
Opinions are one thing. Using your OPINION to justify forcing your shit on other helpless people who can't even speak out about it much less get away is something else.
huh?
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Narcissistic personality disorder is a real thing.
Many of these parents probably do have something wrong with them.
Everyone has to have something wrong with them or they would be considered perfect.
People are fascinated and relieved to know that everyone is flawed:
Like for instance:
Aretha Franklin,
Whoopi Goldberg,
Billy Bob Thornton
Muhammad Ali and
President Ronald Reagan
Were all Aerophobic
Adolf Hitler was claustrophobic
Napoleon Bonaparte suffered from ailurophobia
Andre Agassi is arachnophobic
Being perfect isnt allowed in our society because it scares people,
so we come up with a name tag for everything to show they are not perfect and have a disorder of some type like:
Arachibutyrophobia
Proctophobia
or
Allodoxaphobia (which many regulars here on fornits suffer from)
If you don’t suffer from one of these we will come up with something and provide the right medication to ease your anxiety.
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Missa Who, I know which phobias you be inflicted with. You be having da following inflictions: Ithyphallophobia, Medorthophobia, Kolpophobia, Oneirogmophobia, Paraphobia, Phallophobia, Urophobia, Panophobia.
Damn beaaatch, you be one sick mofo.
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Actually, as I think about it "sociopath" is a good a term as any to describe these parents in that they have NO interest in doing the right things, and feel no guilt about the damage they do.
Anyone thinking that your "parents will feel bad when you’re dead," think again.
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The term sociopath is non existent, nobody uses other than arm chair psychiatrists and law and order fans. Read a book and keep up with the times you dinosaurs!
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Of the first half dozen former-inmates from our local Synanon, AARC, that I met, the parents were all totally unfit. Two were siblings. Their father was a chronically unemployed schizophrenic whose mother (the inmates' grandmother) coughed up the dough to send the children off to AARC. Their mother is still pals with many other program parents. Two of her acquaintances then sent their offspring to AARC. One of these children came from a family with an absent father who could pay the tab, and a mother who sent her youngest child off to live with relatives in Europe when she detemined that child-rearing was not for her. Yet another was put in AARC against the advice of physicians by her mother.
So far, every program victim I have encountered suffered from the disease of having totally inadequate parents. The parents weren't sociopaths or psychopaths. They were just unfit to rear children, and they had access to money to pay for the program.
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The term sociopath is non existent, nobody uses other than arm chair psychiatrists and law and order fans. Read a book and keep up with the times you dinosaurs!
Why not start with this one, troll? Perhaps you can mend your proclivity for non sequiturs: "The term sociopath is non existent"
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Actually, I think all psych terms are nothing but empty labels. Sadly, empty labels are used to justify doing terrible things to people. I'm glad we agree that sending kids to program because of useless labels is wrong as it violates the Hippocratic Oath. The field of psychiatry is not developed enough to “diagnoseâ€
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Hey ya know, I bet missa Who be an unfit parent and his daughter be the product of his defunked home. I betcha his wife leaved him because she couldn't put up wif his ugly ass, and he didn't want to have to play daddy while he was going thru a midlife crisis so dat skool he sended her too was good fo him.
The asset for him sticking his daughter in a shithole was so he could go on campus and flirt wif little girls who were being held captive and couldn't get away from him. Da perfect aliby. I bet he even works as one of dem escort peoples.
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You are hurting kids that might not get the treatment they need by scaring away parents. You seem to be stuck in the past, I hope you can get on with your life. Clinical studies show that long term residential treatment is the only treatment that works. I will not kick my son out of the house, but if he does not abide by the rules he is, in essence, kicking himself out. You are angry at what people did to you in the past, let it go. We are CARF accredited, isn’t that enough proof for you? You are hurting families that need our help. You’re wasting your time, you’ll be protesting until you’re dead. I didn’t understand things like addiction, codependency, and tough love before I found the program. Now I see that it is a dangerous situation and this treatment is absolutely necessary. If these kids don’t go into the program, they will end up insane, in jail or dead.
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You are hurting kids that might not get the treatment they need by scaring away parents. You seem to be stuck in the past, I hope you can get on with your life. Clinical studies show that long term residential treatment is the only treatment that works. I will not kick my son out of the house, but if he does not abide by the rules he is, in essence, kicking himself out. You are angry at what people did to you in the past, let it go. We are CARF accredited, isn’t that enough proof for you? You are hurting families that need our help. You’re wasting your time, you’ll be protesting until you’re dead. I didn’t understand things like addiction, codependency, and tough love before I found the program. Now I see that it is a dangerous situation and this treatment is absolutely necessary. If these kids don’t go into the program, they will end up insane, in jail or dead.
This is so true, we get a lot of whiners here.
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You are hurting kids that might not get the treatment they need by scaring away parents. You seem to be stuck in the past, I hope you can get on with your life. Clinical studies show that long term residential treatment is the only treatment that works. I will not kick my son out of the house, but if he does not abide by the rules he is, in essence, kicking himself out. You are angry at what people did to you in the past, let it go. We are CARF accredited, isn’t that enough proof for you?
What program do you represent, probable fictitous entity?
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I'm guessing this is a troll. But ya never know. My mom once said just as sincerely as could be that all morality stems from AA. I laughed and said well that explains why things didn't work out so well for Jesus Christ. She didn't get it, too far afield from her warped world view. I had to explain the logic. I can't tell, honestly. Looks like satire to me, but then I know from experience that there are people who actually believe just exactly this and don't even have the decency to be ashamed of themselves.
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You are hurting kids that might not get the treatment they need by scaring away parents. You seem to be stuck in the past, I hope you can get on with your life. Clinical studies show that long term residential treatment is the only treatment that works. I will not kick my son out of the house, but if he does not abide by the rules he is, in essence, kicking himself out. You are angry at what people did to you in the past, let it go. We are CARF accredited, isn’t that enough proof for you? You are hurting families that need our help. You’re wasting your time, you’ll be protesting until you’re dead. I didn’t understand things like addiction, codependency, and tough love before I found the program [/color]. Now I see that it is a dangerous situation and this treatment is absolutely necessary. If these kids don’t go into the program, they will end up insane, in jail or dead.
Oh how sweet!!!!!! Look at this newly brainwashed parent learning cult speak. Oh my how precious it is to see the program get a hold of a weak mind and mold it the way they want it. But sadly before too long she will be taking out a second mortgage on their home because the program will tell her that her son has made such wonderful progress, however he's just not ready (just an excuse to dig a little deeper in the pocket).
Rather than this happening to other parents, try family counseling. The original poster is a sell out to not dealing with family, she blames it on the kid alone and therefore it has to be fixed......[/color]Wrong!!!!!![/color]
The whole family must do work that can be done outside of a program.
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Clinical studies show that long term residential treatment is the only treatment that works.
This is the same thing that Straight Inc. and it's other spinoffs would tell parents. Part of their standard sales pitch as it were.
We are CARF accredited, isn’t that enough proof for you?
That and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
I didn’t understand things like addiction, codependency, and tough love before I found the program.
This is almost as bad as Ron L. Hubbard's brainwashing that goes on in "The Church Of Scientology."
Just pure cult speak.
Now I see that it is a dangerous situation and this treatment is absolutely necessary. If these kids don’t go into the program, they will end up insane, in jail or dead.
More of the cult speak with a touch of the salesman's song and dance. Also if you will notice that this alot of the same model that Straight and it's spinoffs used. Brainwashing and manipulating tactics on parents.
Hell..... Open your own eyes and see the truth.
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You are hurting kids that might not get the treatment they need by scaring away parents. You seem to be stuck in the past, I hope you can get on with your life. Clinical studies show that long term residential treatment is the only treatment that works. I will not kick my son out of the house, but if he does not abide by the rules he is, in essence, kicking himself out. You are angry at what people did to you in the past, let it go. We are CARF accredited, isn’t that enough proof for you? You are hurting families that need our help. You’re wasting your time, you’ll be protesting until you’re dead. I didn’t understand things like addiction, codependency, and tough love before I found the program. Now I see that it is a dangerous situation and this treatment is absolutely necessary. If these kids don’t go into the program, they will end up insane, in jail or dead.
Good post. Time to do more forward thinking and focus on what is working today.
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Good post. Time to do more forward thinking and focus on what is working today.
Because people still abusing other people shouldn't be stopped, right? The victims should just 'let go' and 'move on' and let more people be abused so they too can 'grow' and 'let go' and 'move on' :roll:
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You are hurting kids that might not get the treatment they need by scaring away parents. You seem to be stuck in the past, I hope you can get on with your life. Clinical studies show that long term residential treatment is the only treatment that works. I will not kick my son out of the house, but if he does not abide by the rules he is, in essence, kicking himself out. You are angry at what people did to you in the past, let it go. We are CARF accredited, isn’t that enough proof for you? You are hurting families that need our help. You’re wasting your time, you’ll be protesting until you’re dead. I didn’t understand things like addiction, codependency, and tough love before I found the program. Now I see that it is a dangerous situation and this treatment is absolutely necessary. If these kids don’t go into the program, they will end up insane, in jail or dead.
I read this same spiel only yesterday, in PV's latest propaganda PDF:
First, there is much confusion in the general public about the kinds of facilities where these things have occurred and facilities such as Peninsula Village. That confusion has caused some parents to not place their children in residential treatment when needed. Such decisions will certainly cause some adolescents to spiral further out of control and face even greater dangers because of the lack of treatment.[/i]
...and just as many dangers because of the treatment. Also, there's much confusion about the licenses held by PV's Bob Pegler, the author of the above drivel. More about that later.
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You are hurting kids that might not get the treatment they need by scaring away parents. You seem to be stuck in the past, I hope you can get on with your life. Clinical studies show that long term residential treatment is the only treatment that works. I will not kick my son out of the house, but if he does not abide by the rules he is, in essence, kicking himself out. You are angry at what people did to you in the past, let it go. We are CARF accredited, isn’t that enough proof for you? You are hurting families that need our help. You’re wasting your time, you’ll be protesting until you’re dead. I didn’t understand things like addiction, codependency, and tough love before I found the program. Now I see that it is a dangerous situation and this treatment is absolutely necessary. If these kids don’t go into the program, they will end up insane, in jail or dead.
I read this same spiel only yesterday, in PV's latest propaganda PDF:
First, there is much confusion in the general public about the kinds of facilities where these things have occurred and facilities such as Peninsula Village. That confusion has caused some parents to not place their children in residential treatment when needed. Such decisions will certainly cause some adolescents to spiral further out of control and face even greater dangers because of the lack of treatment.[/i]
...and just as many dangers because of the treatment. Also, there's much confusion about the licenses held by PV's Bob Pegler, the author of the above drivel. More about that later.
this why many of the readers become a little leery of the stories here. People come on here and say they are abused but then when parents want to know what programs are bad the response is "They all are"! and the ones claiming abuse dont specify a program or person (like the old shell game). We get the feeling sometimes that many here are just kids who are pissed at their parents or embellishing stories to get back at a staff member or school they didnt like.
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This is called "blame the victim," and it's quite common among people who support abusive programs.
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This is called "blame the victim," and it's quite common among people who support abusive programs.
I think it is just the opposite of "Blame the parents" which is common among fornits posters.
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You are hurting kids that might not get the treatment they need by scaring away parents. You seem to be stuck in the past, I hope you can get on with your life. Clinical studies show that long term residential treatment is the only treatment that works. I will not kick my son out of the house, but if he does not abide by the rules he is, in essence, kicking himself out. You are angry at what people did to you in the past, let it go. We are CARF accredited, isn’t that enough proof for you? You are hurting families that need our help. You’re wasting your time, you’ll be protesting until you’re dead. I didn’t understand things like addiction, codependency, and tough love before I found the program. Now I see that it is a dangerous situation and this treatment is absolutely necessary. If these kids don’t go into the program, they will end up insane, in jail or dead.
I read this same spiel only yesterday, in PV's latest propaganda PDF:
You can read now?
Well, ‘spose that as a semi-employed, failed musician and drunk, you’ve the free time to make up for the wasted life, spent "wasted", and attained literacy.
Good timing, as suing a hospital’s your only chance for material gain with that résumé, eh cupcake? (wink, wink) There'll be alot of character witnesses availble, though, who can testify to your "issues", and about your "wandering hands"...
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You are hurting kids that might not get the treatment they need by scaring away parents. You seem to be stuck in the past, I hope you can get on with your life. Clinical studies show that long term residential treatment is the only treatment that works. I will not kick my son out of the house, but if he does not abide by the rules he is, in essence, kicking himself out. You are angry at what people did to you in the past, let it go. We are CARF accredited, isn’t that enough proof for you? You are hurting families that need our help. You’re wasting your time, you’ll be protesting until you’re dead. I didn’t understand things like addiction, codependency, and tough love before I found the program. Now I see that it is a dangerous situation and this treatment is absolutely necessary. If these kids don’t go into the program, they will end up insane, in jail or dead.
I read this same spiel only yesterday, in PV's latest propaganda PDF:
First, there is much confusion in the general public about the kinds of facilities where these things have occurred and facilities such as Peninsula Village. That confusion has caused some parents to not place their children in residential treatment when needed. Such decisions will certainly cause some adolescents to spiral further out of control and face even greater dangers because of the lack of treatment.[/i]
...and just as many dangers because of the treatment. Also, there's much confusion about the licenses held by PV's Bob Pegler, the author of the above drivel. More about that later.
this why many of the readers become a little leery of the stories here. People come on here and say they are abused but then when parents want to know what programs are bad the response is "They all are"! and the ones claiming abuse dont specify a program or person (like the old shell game). sometimes that many here are just kids who are pissed at their parents or embellishing stories to get back at a staff member or school they didnt like.
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I'm sorry - was I not specific enough about the program, the author, and reasonable doubt about his credibility? Are you familiar with the PV thread and the opinions expressed about Bob Pegler by former patients and parents?
Old shell game, huh? "We[/b] get the feeling..." There's that phantom group you always speak for, your silent Moral Majority. Everyone's more than a little leery of you, wretched program pimp.
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Now that's simply not true. My child excelled at Peninsula Village and became a respectful young person who has a future. It also quit making poopie on the couch, fetches my newspaper, and my brain looks like a BB ROLLING DOWN FOUR LANES OF HELL'S HIGHWAY, BECAUSE I'M A FUCKIN' TROLL! I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT PENINSULA IS, BUT I'LL DEFEND IT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF MY INDUSTRY, DAMN ALL OF YOU!
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You are hurting kids that might not get the treatment they need by scaring away parents. You seem to be stuck in the past, I hope you can get on with your life. Clinical studies show that long term residential treatment is the only treatment that works. I will not kick my son out of the house, but if he does not abide by the rules he is, in essence, kicking himself out. You are angry at what people did to you in the past, let it go. We are CARF accredited, isn’t that enough proof for you?
What program do you represent, probable fictitous entity?
i guess this has to be satire, it's so bizarre.
he never answered the question of what program he represented, so i guess that's the conclusion to draw. Either that or, as usual, he's an anon staff/owner who's establishment is threatened, and his method of dealing with it is his song and dance here
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You are hurting kids that might not get the treatment they need by scaring away parents. You seem to be stuck in the past, I hope you can get on with your life. Clinical studies show that long term residential treatment is the only treatment that works. I will not kick my son out of the house, but if he does not abide by the rules he is, in essence, kicking himself out. You are angry at what people did to you in the past, let it go. We are CARF accredited, isn’t that enough proof for you? You are hurting families that need our help. You’re wasting your time, you’ll be protesting until you’re dead. I didn’t understand things like addiction, codependency, and tough love before I found the program. Now I see that it is a dangerous situation and this treatment is absolutely necessary. If these kids don’t go into the program, they will end up insane, in jail or dead.
I read this same spiel only yesterday, in PV's latest propaganda PDF:
You can read now?
Well, ‘spose that as a semi-employed, failed musician and drunk, you’ve the free time to make up for the wasted life, spent "wasted", and attained literacy.
Good timing, as suing a hospital’s your only chance for material gain with that résumé, eh cupcake? (wink, wink)
Jealous, Pookie?
There'll be alot of character witnesses availble, though, who can testify to your "issues", and about your "wandering hands"...
Who proofreads for you, muttonhead? You need to spend a little time "wasted" and improve your spelling. Fact gathering seems troublesome to you, as well:
1.Full-time employed.
2.Not a musician.
3.Failed drunk.
...and I quit drinking without a program of any kind. It didn't take losing a wife and kids to make me quit either...
What the hell does my character have to do with PV? You're grasping at air, putz. Glad you feel compelled to lash out, though.
I never got investigated for child abuse like one character involved in this "drama". So let's talk about your "wandering hands", Muffin. How's tricks, dickhead?
See ya in the Circus, Winkie. Kisses to your fucked-up family.
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Zen, the dood is sucking on Stokholm coolaid like an asthmatic sucks on a puffer. Ignore him.