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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 20, 2007, 01:45:45 PM
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http://michael-crawford.blogspot.com/ (http://michael-crawford.blogspot.com/)
i was browsing sue sue blogs and found this, did you see this?
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http://michael-crawford.blogspot.com/
i was browsing sue sue blogs and found this, did you see this?
Yes. I saw it. So. If she wants to make herself looks intolerant, vindictive, and just completely fucking nuts, far from me to interfere.
Let's see. There's my photo, full name, place of residence, and offer for a full bio (allegedly written by me... i'd love to have a copy if anybody would care to inquire on my behalf).
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I don't really see how that is satire...Is the point she's trying that the "jew scheff" thing, isn’t satire either.
The “jew scehffâ€
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Sue's engaging in defamation. How can she sue any of the people she's posted her "satires" about? How is posting where you live "satire"? Scheff is hiding behind satire like programs hide behind clinical necessity.
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Why continue posting this trash that Sue Scheff has written?
Isn't that what she wants?
Ignore her; and no one will see these blogs.
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How do we know this is sue, also. I don't see any links to a home?
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How do we know this is sue, also. I don't see any links to a home?
Sue Scheff has these so-called Satire blogs listed on her Blogger Profile page:
Sue Scheff
Gender: Female
Industry: Education
Occupation: Parent Advocate
Location: Weston : FL : United States
Blogs
http://www.blogger.com/profile/05047519231630513506 (http://www.blogger.com/profile/05047519231630513506)
The list of Blogs include:
Cristine Gomes
Michael Crawford
ISAC- Shelby Earnshaw
Karen Burnett aka Buzzkill and Madhatter
Can Scheff deny these are her blogs?
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thanks. Interesting,also, that she calls herself a "parent advocate". Didn't she used to call herself a "child advocate"? I guess even she has limits with perversion
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thanks. Interesting,also, that she calls herself a "parent advocate". Didn't she used to call herself a "child advocate"? I guess even she has limits with perversion
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Word to the wise - do a *screen capture* (or multiple) of the offending blogs - that way if they alter it, you have verifiable proof.
& now, calling something a satire, will someone off the hook. Uh, i don't think so. But I'd send these blogs on to her lawyer. Give them notice.
It also indicts the blogger's moral character, who would satirize another person in a derogatory, mean-spirited way.
Anyway, these industry types are their own worst enemy. They accuse survivors of raging, but deep down they are supremely unhappy and unleash their toxicity on anyone who deviates from their way of thinking/behaving. They blame their kids for "ruining their life" - ah, whatta load...
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I would not post where I work if you get a job she is going to harass your boss!
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I would not post where I work if you get a job she is going to harass your boss!
yeah, sure - whatever, she can get sued for harrassment, jackass.
I don't think anyone's afraid.
Nice try.
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zero said,
I would not post where I work if you get a job she is going to harass your boss!
we don't live in a police state yet.
So, take your idle threats some where else.
perhaps, some posters or readers are in the child welfare agencies. it's their job to look into these matters.
It's also against the law to threaten civil/state/federal workers. Be careful of who you threaten. Because, you have no clue where I work, and I wouldn't threaten (even anon) if I were you - just a small piece of advice, pal.
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zero said,
I would not post where I work if you get a job she is going to harass your boss!
we don't live in a police state yet.
So, take your idle threats some where else.
perhaps, some posters or readers are in the child welfare agencies. it's their job to look into these matters.
It's also against the law to threaten civil/state/federal workers. Be careful of who you threaten. Because, you have no clue where I work, and I wouldn't threaten (even anon) if I were you - just a small piece of advice, pal.
LOL!!!
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I'm not so sure that was a threat - but rather someone who might have had personal experience with such a thing happening? I agree though - one would want to be very careful about contacting someone's employer for purposes of furthering their own personal agenda. Alot has changed in the past few years. We are in what some might call the AFTER WHITMORE (a.w.) era. :oops:
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That was a warning for any industry trolls who get on fornits and threaten - as I have seen it done on here before.
They appear, some of them, as if they can act with impunity; mainly because they are thinking they are dealing with "messed up kids".
Anyway, consider the trolls forewarned.
I'll continue to document -
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That was a warning for any industry trolls who get on fornits and threaten - as I have seen it done on here before.
They appear, some of them, as if they can act with impunity; mainly because they are thinking they are dealing with "messed up kids".
Anyway, consider the trolls forewarned.
I'll continue to document -
Fair enough - the trolls have been forewarned.
As for these so-called satirical blogs, that's a load of bull pucky IMO.
:flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:
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Sue Sue changed the name of the the ISAC-Shelby Earnshaw blog to this:
ISAC -Institutionalized Patients
Wonder why?
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That was a warning for any industry trolls who get on fornits and threaten - as I have seen it done on here before.
They appear, some of them, as if they can act with impunity; mainly because they are thinking they are dealing with "messed up kids".
Anyway, consider the trolls forewarned.
I'll continue to document -
We are all counting on you. Use a pen and write slowly, lots of screen shots and links
^^^^^^TheWho^^^^^^^
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It's also against the law to threaten civil/state/federal workers. Be careful of who you threaten. Because, you have no clue where I work, and I wouldn't threaten (even anon) if I were you - just a small piece of advice, pal.
hey genious. how's a person to know if an anonymous fuck on a forum is a civil/state/federal worker?
you certainly do have the intelligence of one, i have to say.
"yes judge, i was posting anonymously on a forum when he threatened me.' pffft
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Why continue posting this trash that Sue Scheff has written?
Isn't that what she wants?
Ignore her; and no one will see these blogs.
just the opposite. a link to these juvenile blogs should be posted on any public forum she's posted about winning the defamation case. they should be sent to every attorney/judge involved in lawsuits against her.
the maturation process appears to have ceased around age 13.
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http://www.thewhitmoreacademy.blogspot.com (http://www.thewhitmoreacademy.blogspot.com)
Click on the link on the right side called Whitmore Academy More Truths.
The webpage is not about Whitmore Academy.
It's some kind of promotional thing for Honduras scuba diving, online casino gambling, p*** movies and other stuff.
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What's to say about Whitmore Academy?
It's closed.
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I would not post where I work if you get a job she is going to harass your boss!
yeah, sure - whatever, she can get sued for harrassment, jackass.
I don't think anyone's afraid.
Nice try.
Um. She doesn't seem to care about being involved in court cases. She has more money than god (mostly in Carey's 11m IOU, I assume) and practically lives in a court room. Have you actually bothered to search through the Broward County court website. It's a trip.
The first poster got the right idea. I'm not posting where and if I work publicly....
Actually.. Fuck that. I won't be intimidated.
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This is SS writing the blogs . She has info only we know about. Petty shit.
(In my opinion) her intent is to intimidate those of us prepared to witness on Carey's behalf.
I take her blog as a threat. Its not satire .
CG
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SS blogs do appear to be threats to potential witnesses on behalf of Carey Bock's appeal case.
Is anyone writing blogs about SS and her SECRETS: and defining the blogs as satire?
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http://www.thewhitmoreacademy.blogspot.com
Click on the link on the right side called Whitmore Academy More Truths.
The webpage is not about Whitmore Academy.
It's some kind of promotional thing for Honduras scuba diving, online casino gambling, p*** movies and other stuff.
What will parents think when they pull up this Sue Scheff blog and click on WHITMORE ACADEMY MORE TRUTHS and read all this PORN?
http://thewhitmoreacademy.blogspot.com/ (http://thewhitmoreacademy.blogspot.com/)
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Where can I find a copy of the WWASPS v. PURE transcript that relates to Sue Scheff's testimony concerning her referrals to WWASPS schools and programs before, during and after she formed PURE?
T.I.A.
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Where can I find a copy of the WWASPS v. PURE transcript that relates to Sue Scheff's testimony concerning her referrals to WWASPS schools and programs before, during and after she formed PURE?
T.I.A.
The WWASP vs PURE transcript are posted on
www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org)
Kevin Richey's testimony pages 217-226 gives evidence that Scheff continued to refer children to WWASP programs after she opened PURE in February 2001 until he quit work at WWASP referral company Teen Help in August 2001.
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This is SS writing the blogs . She has info only we know about. Petty shit.
(In my opinion) her intent is to intimidate those of us prepared to witness on Carey's behalf.
I take her blog as a threat. Its not satire .
CG
I agree. Where's the satire in questioning whether these persons live in "homestead" states? What's the purpose IN EVEN ASKING?
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This is SS writing the blogs . She has info only we know about. Petty shit.
(In my opinion) her intent is to intimidate those of us prepared to witness on Carey's behalf.
I take her blog as a threat. Its not satire .
CG
Is Bock's attorney aware of these blogs?
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I've just noticed something interesting. Originally, this post was anon:
Anonymous
Unregistered User If they only knew
Posted: 2005-07-17 09:17:00
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Karen, you're a cunt.
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Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =60#116956 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10758&forum=44&start=60#116956)
But if you'll check it (and many others as well) you'll see this is now: a voice from nowhere.
I also notice that some (all?) of the PHX posts are also now: A voice from nowhere.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =60#116956 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10758&forum=44&start=60#116956)
How Curious. I guess its safe for me to assume "a voice from nowhere" is no friend of mine. I wonder, was I right back in 05? Was this Susan? If so, does that mean PHX was / is Susan?
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Not only that, but that same person, "A voice from nowhere", has been making a WHOLE LOT MORE POSTS here, too!
Even this one!
(Can YOU figure it out? Go on, take your time...)
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Not only that, but that same person, "A voice from nowhere", has been making a WHOLE LOT MORE POSTS here, too!
Even this one!
(Can YOU figure it out? Go on, take your time...)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :wink:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Not such a mystery after all is it? Ha Ha.
That explains the great abundance of post by this "voice from nowhere".
You need to bring back the paper bag.
Anyway -
Susan's little blog hobby will require additional comment sometime soon. I'm to busy at the moment to bother with it much - but there is plenty to say.
For now I'll just say desperate and loony, sad and pitiful, about sums it up.
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Surpise, surprise - the blogs are gone now, or at least no longer listed on Sue's profile blog page.
My guess is since the blogs were apparently created by someone using a private blogger ID, they probably weren't intended to show up on Sue's blog list in the first place --- rather, the "guest author" made a mistake (guest authors are team members that blog owners invite to post on their blog or create blogs) and forgot to check the box asking if they wanted the blogs added or not added to the list. Blogs not added to the list are still published and available online but will not show up on the bloggers list.
The real question is why were the blogs created in the first place? What purpose do they serve? Why the private identity? Does Sue have team member bloggers? Why have the blogs now been removed from Sue's blog list?
Who the hell knows but I think it's safe to say the person(s) involved in creating these blogs probably read Fornits and if so, would have learned their blogs had been discovered and traced to Scheff's profile page?
That's my guess. Someone google blog savvy may be better able to explain the possible scenarios. I am basing my hypothetical theory on what I learned here:
http://www.theedifier.com/blogging-blog ... read.php#b (http://www.theedifier.com/blogging-blogger/blog-blogger-membership-author-email-post-read.php#b)
P.S. Even if one does not list their blogs, they will still show up on the web. It's the blogger's choice to list them or not, as I understand it.
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When it comes right down to it, the blogs serve no purpose but to reflect poorly upon Sue Scheff and raise disturbing questions about her character and her integrity IMO.
Whether she personally wrote them or someone else did on her behalf, matters not because the fact is each of those disgraceful blogs have been traced back to HER google blogger profile, no one elses.
My advice is for her to completely remove those blogs from the web and focus on more positive agendas in life. Ditto any guest authors who may or may not blog on her behalf.
The GAO is investigating and hopefully, the FTC. The hand writing is on the wall which is working to create havoc within the industry, that much is obvious. There is another factor to consider: the Carey Bock appeal which may be causing some people to squirm.
Bottom line is the removal of the blogs from her list was done AFTER the blogs were discovered then publically exposed, not before.
That says it all IMO.
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After all that work listing the blogs, why would Sue Scheff want to delete this nice list?
Sue Scheff
Gender: Female
Industry: Education
Occupation: Parent Advocate
Location: Weston : FL : United States
About Me
My Book "Wit's End!" will be released in 2008. Published by the people that brought you Chicken Soup for the Soul series. Pre-order now at www.witsendbook.com (http://www.witsendbook.com)
Favorite Books
http://www.blogger.com/profile-find.g?t ... in+2008%21 (http://www.blogger.com/profile-find.g?t=b&q=www.witsendbook.com++%0D%0AMy+new+book+will+be+released+in+2008%21)
Blogs
Blog Name Team Members
Cristine Gomez
Sue Scheff on Teen Gangs
Michael Crawford
Sue Scheff on Parent Empowerment
Sue Scheff - Teen Internet Addiction
ISAC - Shelby Earnshaw
Sue Scheff on Locks of Love Event
Sue Scheff - How I defeated WWASPS
Sue Scheff: Editorial: Free Speech Has Its Limits
Sue Scheff (P.U.R.E.) Wins $11.3 M Jury Verdict!
Sue Scheff Interview with Forbes.com
"Wit's End!"
Carey Bock Levine is Held Accountable!
Sue Scheff - Informational Articles and more
Sue Scheff on Teen Runaways
The Whitmore Academy
Sue Scheff (P.U.R.E.) Educating Parents Today
Sue Scheff on Tough Love
Sue Scheff - Talks about P.U.R.E. Rebuttal
Sue Scheff on Teen Peer Pressure
Sue Scheff on Invasion of Privacy
Sue Scheff Stuff
Sue Scheff on Internet Defamation
ISAC - Former Institutionalize... Patients
Parent's Universal Resource Experts (P.U.R.E.)
Sue Scheff: Admitting Mistakes as a Parent
Parents Universal Resource Experts (P.U.R.E.) Blog
Sue Scheff Authors "WIT'S END!"
Sue Scheff - Freedom of Speech does not Support Defamation
Sue Scheff Article Teen Pregnancy
Sue Scheff (P.U.R.E.) - "Parent Empowerment!"
Sue Scheff (P.U.R.E.) A Parent's True Story
Karen Burnett - aka BuzzKill or MadHatter
Sue Scheff-Informati... on Teen Depression
Sue Scheff on WWASPS
Sue Scheff Defeats WWASPS - Huge Corporate Giant!
Sue Scheff - About me
Sue Scheff Admitting Mistakes and moving forward
Sue Scheff - Depression and Your Teen
Are you at your Wit's End?
Internet Defamation and Invasion of Privacy
Sue Scheff Reveals What Led to $11.3M Jury Verdict
Sue Scheff- Brings the Truth to the Top!
Financing Ideas for Teen Schools & Programs
Sue Scheff - Connect with Kids
Contact
My Web Page
User Stats
On Blogger Since January 2007
Profile Views 672
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LOL, good question!
Damage control?
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Surely Sue Scheff must know that each of these disgraceful blogs, improperly defined as satire, IMO have been securely saved.
And wouldn't Scheff possibly think the attorneys representing each of the people who are subjects of these blogs were notified immediately when the blogs became public? Could these blogs possibly be interpreted as any type of intimidation of potential witnesses in the Carey Bock appeal case?
Wonder how Congressman Miller, the GAO Investigators and the FTC will interpret these blogs when they most probably receive them from copious concerned citizens who have possibly already filed complaints? Could this possibly be interpreted as another attempt to silence parents and abuse victims by Scheff and the program owners she refers to?
It might be asked: Has Sue Scheff possibly gone to far this time?
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Whether she personally wrote them or someone else did on her behalf, matters not because the fact is each of those disgraceful blogs have been traced back to HER google blogger profile, no one elses.
No doubt she wrote them. She was very careful with the wording, no mention of her personal issues with the people. But, screwed up on the "Buzzkill or MadHatter" blog and wrote:
Oh this is comical - Bock all but sold out Karen a few years back...But recently have joined forces to try to destroy me? Why? Got me - except is seems Pinky is leading this since her "profits" were killed. Just my opinion.
Unless Buzz and Carey "joined forces to try to destroy" someone else.
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ROTFLMAO - check out her favorite book on that post. Her own!
How's that for marketing? Recommend your own book as a favorite book?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Doesn't the YEAR keep changing for when this "BOOK" is scheduled for release?
Guess Scheff may have to keep adding chapters, huh?
Chapter to discuss "my daughter the self-proclaimed-counselor in the program I refer kids to, that's being investigated by the State of N.C."
Chapter to discuss "the outcome of the Carey Bock appeal"; perhaps to decribe how it felt to be a multi-millioinaire (on paper anyway) for awhile; and possibly have that rich-feeling ripped away by another court decision?
Chapter to discuss "the joys of becoming a Grandma the first time." maybe she might even discuss the wedding that seemed to be such a secret.
Chapter to discuss "the trials and tribulations of being a defendant along with Focal Point Academy and her friend Boyd Hooper."
Could all of these Chapters possibly be completed by 2008?
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Of course Sue Scheff would list her own book as her favorite.
Scheff wrote a blog entitled:
Sue Scheff - About me
Founder of Parents Universal Resource Experts, Inc. (P.U.R.E.)
Can Scheff spell N A R C I S S I S M ?????
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DSM IV definition: Someone who suffers from Narcissistic Personality disorder (NPD) has at least 5 of the following characteristics:
has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
requires excessive admiration
has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
http://www.narcissism101.com/Beginning/dsm_iv.html (http://www.narcissism101.com/Beginning/dsm_iv.html)
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According to Scheff, the book is about her "journey" with her once-troubled-teen daughter, plus some helpful advice (or something to that effect) for parents at their wit's end.
I'm thinking her idea may have been inspired by the book COME BACK written by the mother-daughter team Claire and Mia Fontaine which essentially credits WWASPS for helping to turn their nightmare journey into a success story.
Sue's journey is quite a bit different and frankly, I do not personally think the controversy surrounding her will work to her advantage.
Any thoughts?
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1. An exaggerated sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
Translation: Grandiosity is the hallmark of narcissism. So what is grandiose?
The simplest everyday way that narcissists show their exaggerated sense of self-importance is by talking about family, work, life in general as if there is nobody else in the picture. Whatever they may be doing, in their own view, they are the star, and they give the impression that they are bearing heroic responsibility for their family or company, that they have to take care of everything because their spouses or co-workers are undependable, uncooperative, or otherwise unfit. They ignore or denigrate the abilities and contributions of others and complain that they receive no help at all; they may inspire your sympathy or admiration for their stoicism in the face of hardship or unstinting self-sacrifice for the good of (undeserving) others. Another example is claiming unusual benefits or spectacular results from ordinary effort and investment, giving the impression that somehow the narcissist's time and money are worth more than other people's.
In popular usage, the terms narcissism and narcissistic, denote absurd vanity and are applied to people whose ambitions and aspirations are much grander than their evident talents. Sometimes these terms are applied to people who are simply full of themselves -- even when their real achievements are spectacular. Common conspicuous grandiose behaviors include expecting special treatment or admiration on the basis of claiming (a) to know important, powerful or famous people or (b) to be extraordinarily intelligent or talented. The grandiose claims of narcissists are superficially plausible fabrications, readily punctured by a little critical consideration. The test is performance: do they deliver the goods?
2. Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
Translation: Narcissists cultivate solipsistic or "autistic" fantasies, which is to say that they live in their own little worlds (and react with affront when reality dares to intrude).
3. Believes he is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
Translation: Narcissists think that everyone who is not special and superior is worthless. By definition, normal, ordinary, and average aren't special and superior, and so, to narcissists, they are worthless.
4. Requires excessive admiration
Translation: Excessive in two ways: they want praise, compliments, deference, and expressions of envy all the time, and they want to be told that everything they do is better than what others can do. Sincerity is not an issue here; all that matter are frequency and volume.
5. Has a sense of entitlement
Translation: They expect automatic compliance with their wishes or especially favorable treatment, such as thinking that they should always be able to go first and that other people should stop whatever they're doing to do what the narcissists want, and may react with hurt or rage when these expectations are frustrated.
6. Selfishly takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends
Translation: Narcissists use other people to get what they want without caring about the cost to the other people.
7. Lacks empathy
Translation: They are unwilling to recognize or sympathize with other people's feelings and needs. They "tune out" when other people want to talk about their own problems.
In clinical terms, empathy is the ability to recognize and interpret other people's emotions. Lack of empathy may take two different directions: (a) accurate interpretation of others' emotions with no concern for others' distress, which is characteristic of psychopaths; and (b) the inability to recognize and accurately interpret other people's emotions, which is the NPD style. People with personality disorders don't have the normal body-ego identification and regard their bodies only instrumentally, i.e., as tools to use to get what they want.
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him
Translation: No translation needed.
9. Shows arrogant, haughty, patronizing, or contemptuous behaviors or attitudes
Translation: They treat other people like dirt.
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According to Scheff, the book is about her "journey" with her once-troubled-teen daughter, plus some helpful advice (or something to that effect) for parents at their wit's end.
I'm thinking her idea may have been inspired by the book COME BACK written by the mother-daughter team Claire and Mia Fontaine which essentially credits WWASPS for helping to turn their nightmare journey into a success story.
Sue's journey is quite a bit different and frankly, I do not personally think the controversy surrounding her will work to her advantage.
Any thoughts?
Claire and Mia Fontaine may want their publisher to review Scheff's book for any possibly signs of suspected plagiarism?
The Fontaine's story may praise WWASP for their family's nightmare becoming a success; but it does not appear that the Fontaines entered the teen help referral business on a professional level.
Has it been reported that the Fontaine daughter decided to become a "counselor" in a teen treatment program, while lacking a college degree or any creditials qualifying her as a counselor, as Scheff's daughter reportedly has?
The Fontaines are legitimate published authors. Have they published internet blogs attacking parents who have complained about programs they were referred to, as Scheff has done?
The Fontaine authors haven't been named as defendants in any law suits accusing them of fraud, etc, have they?
The Fontaines seem to credit WWaSP with helping to turn their nightmare journey tinto a success story.
In a bizarre way, might be contrued that WWASP has played a huge role in any success story Scheff might claim?