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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 12:51:36 PM
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This is also a cool site -
http://teenadvocatesusa.org/NeverForget ... erapy.html (http://teenadvocatesusa.org/NeverForget_WildernessTherapy.html)
"These kids just needed structure" - CCMgirl
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I think that's a bit harsh.... and wrong.
I think she's just stuck on the idea of a false middle, i.e. a "good program".
I've said all along good treatment exists and when necessary or desired can be a good thing, but forcing it when un-necessary in the means a program does so (which isn't even treatment at all) is a bad thing.
She apparently defines a program as "institution that provides treatment to bad teenagers" and ignores what we here define as making a program a program (isolation, conercion, level system, LGAT's, mind control, telling parents not to trust their children, making them complete a level system and/or curriculum of "personal growth" in lieu of diagnosing and treating problems without disrupting their academia, social lives and personal development) and instead argues with us about that "there are too good programs" without citing them.
But I doubt she wants them to be abused.
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Too bad for you, Niles.
Never forgive, never forget - unless they are friends - as I said, too bad for you Niles.
Harsh is abuse - even harsher are CCMgirl's assertion that abuse is just "structure" and "rules" - and survivors are just whiners and complainers.
I didn't expect this from you. Niles - but I can see where you butter your bread.
Down the middle.
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This is pretty funny. I just spoke with Niles about being inflammatory, and now he gets shafted for being middle o' the road. He ain't. But does EVERYTHING have to be black and white? Can't you defend one aspect of your nemesis. Can't you say that you think all programs are bullshit due to systemic fallibilities, but that you don't think one person advocates abuse (even if you disagree with her on the larger principle)?
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Anyone who says survivors are whiners and that sex between staff/client is OK has some serious issues.
Basically, she was advocating sexual coercion which does border on abuse. Just because she "asked for it" doesn't make it right.
So, yes - she advocates abuse.
Sorry, next contestant.
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Too bad for you, Niles.
Never forgive, never forget - unless they are friends - as I said, too bad for you Niles.
Harsh is abuse - even harsher are CCMgirl's assertion that abuse is just "structure" and "rules" - and survivors are just whiners and complainers.
I didn't expect this from you. Niles - but I can see where you butter your bread.
Down the middle.
She's not a friend... I don't like her in the least. But I don't hate her. She hasn't exactly gone and hurt people.
She has tried to justify her own experiences by doing what she is now, though. That's not something one can really fault her for, now can we? especially in the presence of people who are going to say the right words, manipulate, and push buttons to get her on their side.
At any rate, when CCMgirl says abuse is "Structure" and "rules"... remember WHO is saying it. Someone who grew up in programs and doesn't know better.
I'm not here to defend her. I am here to say I seriously doubt she actually wants kids to be abused, she's just been convinced that a "good program" is not abusive.
To the other anon, again, WHO is saying that its ok to fuck a staffer in a program if the kid wanted it? SHE IS.
No offence to her (though talking about her openly is going to piss her off immensely) BUT SHE GREW UP IN ONE FUCKING PROGRAM AFTER ANOTHER. Get some perspective on her already.
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To the other anon, again, WHO is saying that its ok to fuck a staffer in a program if the kid wanted it? SHE IS.
& that Niles, is advocating abuse - just one tiny example -
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Wow. Hard to believe the justification for student-staff relations. You gotta be a sick f&*^ to condone that. Funny thing is how widespread it was. I know in my program, CEDU, it happened. Or they would be grossly inappropriate, making it deviant to smile or laugh with peers of the opposite sex, while slapping us on the ass and getting off on the sexual history they forced us to detail in group. It was painful for us--but the staff loved it. Mostly they'd wait for the second we graduated to actually pounce, but some did not. Any parent who thinks this is therapeutic is twisted.
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To the other anon, again, WHO is saying that its ok to fuck a staffer in a program if the kid wanted it? SHE IS.
& that Niles, is advocating abuse - just one tiny example -
I think she's trying to justify what was done to her more so than saying it should be justified.
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I think she's trying to justify what was done to her more so than saying it should be justified.
I don't care - & besides you missed the point, she advocates abuse - i don't care about the whys or wherefore's - she advocates abuse, Niles - don't justify it - it just makes you look bad.
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CCM is no different than any other program apologist.
It's called the abuse excuse and sadly, it looks like Niles has forgotten the carnal rule.
Thou shalt not excuse abuse. Not now. Not ever.
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I am not.
She isn't abusing anyone. She's saying a bunch of bullshit.
I can excuse people speaking bullshit. If she were to ever hurt children, I would not ever excuse, forget, or forgive that.
I can forget and forgive a programmed teenager growing up into a woman with problems who lurks fornits. Can you?
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I’ve trouble accepting the person initiating the endless "I hate ccm girl" threads" is anything but a program proponent. It's nutty and distracting from the real issues, & that seems a likely explanation.
Alternatively, it’s a jokester
Either way, enough with the ccm girl bashing, already. We get it. You don’t like her.She won’t be to your house for tea. Have you anything better to do with your time than attacking a survivor whose opinions are different than yours?
Yes, kids can use structure. No, not in the form of abduction without due process. But, believing in structure doesn’t make you pro torture…And thinking “hypothetically, maybe a program: could be good in some casesâ€
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CCM does nothing but dirupt threads she goes on - harasses other survivors and subverts discussion.
& you have a problem with someone starting a thread bashing her - at least it keeps her busy - & not on other threads being a pain in the ass.
It is not only a "difference of opinion" as you say. It's the FACT she advocates abuse - big difference. Try to comprehend the finer points here.
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Thou shalt not excuse abuse. Not now. Not ever.
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I’ve trouble accepting the person initiating the endless "I hate ccm girl" threads" is anything but a program proponent. It's nutty and distracting from the real issues, & that seems a likely explanation.
I think YOU are a program proponent for even suggesting this -- it distracts from the real issues..think about it.
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I agree that attacking people and calling them whiners is disruptive... but we have better things to do than go after CCMGirl.
TheWho is the biggest agent provocateur and conversational filibuster we have.
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I’ve trouble accepting the person initiating the endless "I hate ccm girl" threads" is anything but a program proponent. It's nutty and distracting from the real issues, & that seems a likely explanation.
I think YOU are a program proponent for even suggesting this -- it distracts from the real issues..think about it.
If I began a dozen consecutive threads on this issue, that'd be worthy of contemplation...Of course, the other possible explanation i ventured was "nuttiness".
She doesn’t advocate torture; on the basis of her time in a non-abusive program, she extrapolates that not all programs are abusive. That's the logical conclusion, right?
She also says that sometimes people need to have some sort of forced treatment. Sometimes, say, after a kid carves his family up , while that may not be the correct conclusion, it’s not one synonymous with evil, and being pro-child torture.
This is the last I’ll say about this,its pointless. But from what I saw, this woman had opinions about her own life that people became abusive towards her about, whereupon she became more extreme in her opinions, and started coming here just to show she couldn’t get "controlled".. Wonder why this sort of thing would happen. You can’t bully people into believing or doing what you want. Recognize this tactic from anywhere, and remember what your response was?
It just seems there’s care about the “Survivorâ€
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Is this (CCM) the same person who defended her fellow WWASPS alumni referring other kids to programs? If so, then I can see why some people would have a problem with her. That is just pathetic.
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I’ve trouble accepting the person initiating the endless "I hate ccm girl" threads" is anything but a program proponent. It's nutty and distracting from the real issues, & that seems a likely explanation.
I think YOU are a program proponent for even suggesting this -- it distracts from the real issues..think about it.
If I began a dozen consecutive threads on this issue, that'd be worthy of contemplation...Of course, the other possible explanation i ventured was "nuttiness".
She doesn’t advocate torture; on the basis of her time in a non-abusive program, she extrapolates that not all programs are abusive. That's the logical conclusion, right?
She also says that sometimes people need to have some sort of forced treatment. Sometimes, say, after a kid carves his family up , while that may not be the correct conclusion, it’s not one synonymous with evil, and being pro-child torture.
This is the last I’ll say about this,its pointless. But from what I saw, this woman had opinions about her own life that people became abusive towards her about, whereupon she became more extreme in her opinions, and started coming here just to show she couldn’t get "controlled".. Wonder why this sort of thing would happen. You can’t bully people into believing or doing what you want. Recognize this tactic from anywhere, and remember what your response was?
It just seems there’s care about the “Survivorâ€
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I have a big problem with both of them - they are both pro-program, pro-abuse, pro-programming your kids - just so they can have 3.5 kids, white picket fence and all the material fixing's - doesn't matter what kind of soul killing crap you have to endure to "achieve your potential" - just drink the kool-aid and allow someone to torture you.
The ends justify the means - they both need to feel very unwelcome - & subsequently need to leave because they do nothing but disrupt threads, harrass people, refute survivors experiences, and just generally act like asses.
Fuck them both - they are done ----[/color][/b]
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I’ve trouble accepting the person initiating the endless "I hate ccm girl" threads" is anything but a program proponent. It's nutty and distracting from the real issues, & that seems a likely explanation.
I think YOU are a program proponent for even suggesting this -- it distracts from the real issues..think about it.
If I began a dozen consecutive threads on this issue, that'd be worthy of contemplation...Of course, the other possible explanation i ventured was "nuttiness".
She doesn’t advocate torture; on the basis of her time in a non-abusive program, she extrapolates that not all programs are abusive. That's the logical conclusion, right?
She also says that sometimes people need to have some sort of forced treatment. Sometimes, say, after a kid carves his family up , while that may not be the correct conclusion, it’s not one synonymous with evil, and being pro-child torture.
This is the last I’ll say about this,its pointless. But from what I saw, this woman had opinions about her own life that people became abusive towards her about, whereupon she became more extreme in her opinions, and started coming here just to show she couldn’t get "controlled".. Wonder why this sort of thing would happen. You can’t bully people into believing or doing what you want. Recognize this tactic from anywhere, and remember what your response was?
It just seems there’s care about the “Survivorâ€
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I’ve trouble accepting the person initiating the endless "I hate ccm girl" threads" is anything but a program proponent. It's nutty and distracting from the real issues, & that seems a likely explanation.
I think YOU are a program proponent for even suggesting this -- it distracts from the real issues..think about it.
If I began a dozen consecutive threads on this issue, that'd be worthy of contemplation...Of course, the other possible explanation i ventured was "nuttiness".
She doesn’t advocate torture; on the basis of her time in a non-abusive program, she extrapolates that not all programs are abusive. That's the logical conclusion, right?
She also says that sometimes people need to have some sort of forced treatment. Sometimes, say, after a kid carves his family up , while that may not be the correct conclusion, it’s not one synonymous with evil, and being pro-child torture.
This is the last I’ll say about this,its pointless. But from what I saw, this woman had opinions about her own life that people became abusive towards her about, whereupon she became more extreme in her opinions, and started coming here just to show she couldn’t get "controlled".. Wonder why this sort of thing would happen. You can’t bully people into believing or doing what you want. Recognize this tactic from anywhere, and remember what your response was?
It just seems there’s care about the “Survivorâ€
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(http://http://antiwwasp.com/media/images/Observational%20Placement%20-%20Yeah%20Right_jpg.jpg)
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I guess Happy Hour is over, and the drunkards will be back to post? There always seems to be about 2 hours of silence, then it's starts pumping again! Maybe it's just a coincidence? Whatever, I am all for you guys getting out of the house. The unfortunate part is that the posts just get really nasty. Oh well!
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This thread is a fucking stupid ass clusterfuck.
And a waste of time.
Hey CCM, had any microbrews lately? I'll send you some if you'll stop posting to this thread.
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(http://http://antiwwasp.com/media/images/Observational%20Placement%20-%20Yeah%20Right_jpg.jpg)
Nap time?
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This thread is a fucking stupid ass clusterfuck.
And a waste of time.
Hey CCM, had any microbrews lately? I'll send you some if you'll stop posting to this thread.
I don't know if I would drink anything you were to send me LOL!!!!
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i'm sure youve drank worse
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i'm sure youve drank worse
I'm sure you have some wonderful porn to back up that statement!