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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 24, 2007, 12:37:06 PM
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What else explains his hatred for woman???
Maybe his mom sexually abused him????
What a victim he is!!!!!!
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Wow, good one CCM :roll:
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I swear to god, it's not me! But, he is a total woman hater.
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Really?
I guess all the exclamation marks and the use of "victim" as a derogatory term through me off...
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Really?
I guess all the exclamation marks and the use of "victim" as a derogatory term through me off...
Ya, really!!! Once again you're wrong.
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What else explains his hatred for woman???
Constant rejection?
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I'm so confused! I thought Niles was gay?
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He once posted his boyfriend was in a program so I just assumed that too!!!
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Who cares if a person is or is not gay, besides a few of you.
I personally don't give a rats behind.
How people are treated in this Industry regardless of race, or sexual preference, or how weird ya all are, is what we are talking about. :D
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WHAT IF HE IS, IS IT ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS, AND BY THE WAY, GAY MEN DON'T HATE WOMEN! THEY MAKE THE VERY BEST GIRLFRIENDS A GIRL CAN HAVE. IT IS FUNNY THAT YOU CANT FIND ANYTHING BETTER TO OBSESS ABOUT!
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WHAT IF HE IS, IS IT ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS, AND BY THE WAY, GAY MEN DON'T HATE WOMEN! THEY MAKE THE VERY BEST GIRLFRIENDS A GIRL CAN HAVE. IT IS FUNNY THAT YOU CANT FIND ANYTHING BETTER TO OBSESS ABOUT!
Ms. Spickelmire,
I have stated in posts before that I have plenty of gay friends, and was dumbfounded by Niles hatred for most of the women on this board. I totally agree, gay men do make great friends. So what the hell is his problem then?
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What makes you say he hates women, I've never seen him attack women for being women. He's attacked you because you demean rape victims, but hell that set everyone off myself included and I've tried to be nice to you even when folks were giving you shit about your support for anti and his referral businesses.
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Do you hate me Niles? I don't think he hates women, I think he hates you! Then again I could be wrong, but I don't think so!
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What makes you say he hates women, I've never seen him attack women for being women. He's attacked you because you demean rape victims, but hell that set everyone off myself included and I've tried to be nice to you even when folks were giving you shit about your support for anti and his referral businesses.
I don't even have the time to bring up all his disgusting posts. People who read here on a regular basis know exactly what I am talking about.
What are you talking about? Whose referral business, and my support for it? You mean Kevin's?
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What makes you say he hates women, I've never seen him attack women for being women. He's attacked you because you demean rape victims, but hell that set everyone off myself included and I've tried to be nice to you even when folks were giving you shit about your support for anti and his referral businesses.
What program did you go to?
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I never went to a program. I found out about the industry about a year or so ago and felt obligated to do something. I've always been an avid history buff and I truly admired the major civil rights movements. Never would I have thought that the rights of children and teens were in such a sorry state. Knowing history like I do I know that it's vital that folks unrelated to the issue stand with those personally effected by it. To not do so would be neglecting the responsibilities I feel we have to our fellow human beings. Make no mistake I don't see myself as that important, however every bit of effort is needed and I want to do my part.... whatever that is.
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I never went to a program. I found out about the industry about a year or so ago and felt obligated to do something. I've always been an avid history buff and I truly admired the major civil rights movements. Never would I have thought that the rights of children and teens were in such a sorry state. Knowing history like I do I know that it's vital that folks unrelated to the issue stand with those personally effected by it. To not do so would be neglecting the responsibilities I feel we have to our fellow human beings. Make no mistake I don't see myself as that important, however every bit of effort is needed and I want to do my part.... whatever that is.
CCM has four years of experience, you'd be wise to listen to what she says!!!
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I never went to a program. I found out about the industry about a year or so ago and felt obligated to do something. I've always been an avid history buff and I truly admired the major civil rights movements. Never would I have thought that the rights of children and teens were in such a sorry state. Knowing history like I do I know that it's vital that folks unrelated to the issue stand with those personally effected by it. To not do so would be neglecting the responsibilities I feel we have to our fellow human beings. Make no mistake I don't see myself as that important, however every bit of effort is needed and I want to do my part.... whatever that is.
Thank you again for ^ and everything else.
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CCMCUNT is up to her old tricks like the bitch she is.
CCMCUNT admits to using her sexuality to lure male staff and get them fired.
No wonder CCMCUNT doesn't think abuse happened.
CCMCUNT was an abuser herself. CCMCUNT is a sexual abuser.
GBTW. Nothing to see here. Don't bump these threads it only encourages CCMCUNT.
CCMCUNT doesn't like the word victim because she is A perpetrator.
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CCMCUNT is up to her old tricks like the bitch she is.
CCMCUNT admits to using her sexuality to lure male staff and get them fired.
No wonder CCMCUNT doesn't think abuse happened.
CCMCUNT was an abuser herself. CCMCUNT is a sexual abuser.
GBTW. Nothing to see here. Don't bump these threads it only encourages CCMCUNT.
CCMCUNT doesn't like the word victim because she is A perpetrator.
Up to my old tricks, whut????? I admit I used my sexuality to lure male staff, to get them fired, yeah so what! I wasn't the only one who did that. I think that there is abuse that goes on in RTC's however, I didn't see any, or hear of any, during my stay. But what you all fail to get, is there is a lot of abuse that goes on outside of treatment centers. In fact, a lot more abuse goes on outside the walls, then inside the walls.
A ton more. You know it, and I know it. Period.
It doesn't make it right that it happens at all, but you all exaggerate the hell out of it. Making it sound like all programs kids are abused, mentally, physically, and sexually.
Oh that's right, I am here on Fornits where the majority of the posters believe all programs are bad. That none should exist, and that kids should be able to do whatever the hell they want even if it hurts other people.
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You were abused and are too brainwashed too realize it. Seek therapy.
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Nothing is wrong with being gay or bisexual!
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I admit I used my sexuality to lure male staff, to get them fired, yeah so what! I wasn't the only one who did that..
So I guess that since other people were doing it makes it ok...... Hmmm.... I guess that nothing has changed in you and you can not admit when you are wrong.
I guess if you were around people who were beating elderly people you would think it's ok to do this as well.
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Nobody asked me to admit I was wrong.
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Up to my old tricks, whut????? I admit I used my sexuality to lure male staff, to get them fired, yeah so what! I wasn't the only one who did that. I think that there is abuse that goes on in RTC's however, I didn't see any, or hear of any, during my stay. But what you all fail to get, is there is a lot of abuse that goes on outside of treatment centers. In fact, a lot more abuse goes on outside the walls, then inside the walls.
The point isn't whether or not abuse happens outside of programs, the point is that they are abusive, and should not be. You can't excuse abuse in a program because it happens elsewhere anymore than I could, say, rape you, and excuse it because someone somewhere else got raped in a worse way.
Right? I mean if I bought you dinner afterwards it would make it all better just like with your logic regarding excusing a program's abuse, right? :rofl:
A ton more. You know it, and I know it. Period.
Well scale wise of course. Programs are a tiny bubble world that represent a fraction of the country and have a tiny fraction of the adolescent population. The points are:
- They're abusive AT ALL
- The RATE of abuse is higher in them than outside of them
Clearly WWASPS didn't adequately teach you statistics.
It doesn't make it right that it happens at all, but you all exaggerate the hell out of it. Making it sound like all programs kids are abused, mentally, physically, and sexually.
Given what we've found out thats indicated to be a truth. You're not suggesting ANYTHING with any basis in fact to the contrary, rather, you're saying our extraordinary claims are extraordinary.
Well, um, no shit? 30 years of ZERO proof to show they're good, but 30 years of victims coming forth with CONSISTENT ACCUSATIONS OVER THOUSANDS OF MILES AND THREE DECADES IS SIGNIFICANT. YOU CAN NOT COUNTER THAT BY WHINING EXAGGERATION!
Oh that's right, I am here on Fornits where the majority of the posters believe all programs are bad. That none should exist, and that kids should be able to do whatever the hell they want even if it hurts other people.
Well, you're right, except we don't think kids should hurt other people. But you can't somehow counter that programs are wrong, shouldn't exist, and are abusive, by saying that you should be able to abuse a bad kid so they can't hurt others themselves. :roll:
The point is ethical treatment, and only when necessary, and when not necessary, an ethical treatment OFFERED, not COERCED.
No amount of putting words in our mouths will change our position, except when you preach to the choir of programmie lurkers.
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bump!
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Why are you bumping this garbage?
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Because they are funny as hell.
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Because they are funny as hell.
But really, it's been a fun filled day. Can't we get back to discussing the issue?
Whatever, have fun... I'm getting Carpal tunnel syndrome trying to keep this crap off the first page.
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LOL, sure what issue would you like to discuss?!!
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CCM Girl:
Do you believe that sexual abuse in programs is ok?
Do you believe that kids getting beaten and physically abused in programmes is ok?
What inspired you to start saying things like, "get over it and move on!" or "Stop being a whiner!"
Once upon a time you would have gone nuts had someone said something of that sort. But now with all the trolling back and forth it is hard to know what you really believe.
What is it that you really believe?
Also.. is niles really gay?
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CCM Girl:
Do you believe that sexual abuse in programs is ok?
Do you believe that kids getting beaten and physically abused in programmes is ok?
What inspired you to start saying things like, "get over it and move on!" or "Stop being a whiner!"
Once upon a time you would have gone nuts had someone said something of that sort. But now with all the trolling back and forth it is hard to know what you really believe.
What is it that you really believe?
Also.. is niles really gay?
No, I do not believe sexual abuse is okay in programs. But, when both parties are consenting to it........then it's not "abuse". It might be wrong, but not abuse.
Kids getting beaten in programs is totally not okay with me at all.
Me being inspired to say get over it, and move on was because I see too many people on here letting their experiences in programs effect them for the rest of their lives. Using it as some sort of crutch. So yeah, get over it, and be strong.
I have no clue if Niles is gay, I think he could be bi?!! I really don't know, or care! All I know is he has a foul mouth, and is very disrespectful to women. That bothers me.
Anything else?
No?
Nite-nite!
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No, I do not believe sexual abuse is okay in programs. But, when both parties are consenting to it........then it's not "abuse". It might be wrong, but not abuse.
I agree.. but I'd used stronger language and say it is definitely wrong.
Kids getting beaten in programs is totally not okay with me at all.
I agree... good use of clear language on your part.
Me being inspired to say get over it, and move on was because I see too many people on here letting their experiences in programs effect them for the rest of their lives. Using it as some sort of crutch. So yeah, get over it, and be strong.
Sometimes tact pays off.. I agree to some extent that people of all sorts take way to long a ride on the pity party train. Yet rather than be the one to comment on it I've learned to just shut the hell up. Makes for less of a head ache. Furthermore, I also remember back when I was having my own bucket of tears festival. Tactless comments didn't help much or inspire me...
Just some food for thought for you.. maybe you ought consider letting people figure it out on their own. Not everyone walks the same road you do and it takes longer for others to sort out their feelings.
Let them do it on their own in their own time.
I have no clue if Niles is gay, I think he could be bi?!! I really don't know, or care! All I know is he has a foul mouth, and is very disrespectful to women. That bothers me.
I agree that Niles is a rude, crude, nasty mouthed little boy at times. Does this excuse you from your own behaviors? No...
Though I will say you never used to go off like you do now until you were attacked over your intial comments regarding Heritage.
Just bear in mind that you need not rise to the challenge anymore. I believe you were done a great wrong back when this blew up. But you played a role in it all with the way you responded. That need not be the case anymore. I'm more than willing to support you as much as I can providing you are taking it easy and not lashing back at people. So please... Ignore the assholes and focus on the relavent?
Anything else?
What kind of beer do you like?
No?
almost.. do you like rap music?
Nite-nite!
Sleep well.
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1. I prefer wine, but if I have to have a beer with pizza, it would be a Newcastle.
2. I like all types of music. I listen to rap often, but there are not many artists to where I could actually go out and buy an Album ( I only like 1 or 2 of their songs). Thank god for ipod's. Best rap album ever would be Dr. Dre The Chronic.
I will try, and play nice. But, it's really hard when I get verbally abused all the time not to be just as immature as them. I really hate the word cunt, and I have been called that over a hundred times here! Then to be called whore. Hey, I admit I did things that were bad. I did use my sexuality as a weapon to get people iced way back in the day. So what? I was bored as all hell, and sometimes did things that were just plain evil. A lot of us did. I felt bad about it. I said I was sorry. Maybe that's why I was in those schools for so long?!!
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I will try, and play nice. But, it's really hard when I get verbally abused all the time not to be just as immature as them. I really hate the word cunt, and I have been called that over a hundred times here! Then to be called whore.
Yeah? Boo hoo! I've been called that and worse more times than I can count here. BFD.
Hey, I admit I did things that were bad. I did use my sexuality as a weapon to get people iced way back in the day. So what? I was bored as all hell, and sometimes did things that were just plain evil. A lot of us did. I felt bad about it. I said I was sorry. Maybe that's why I was in those schools for so long?!!
I was molested from the age of 7 until I was 11 by a much older cousin. I was raped when I was 15. My stepfather tried to fuck me I don't know how many times. Teachers, counselors, police....you name it. Sexuality is a powerful thing and a young, vulnerable girl at the mercies of untrained, unqualified "hot" staff is a prime target. They know the girls are excited by the attention. Especially in a situation like a program. They know the kind of power they wield over the kids, they know how starved for attention and affection these girls are and they USE it.
A child cannot consent to sex with an adult. A patient cannot consent to sex with their therapist. Why is this so difficult a concept to grasp? I don't get it??
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Hey, I admit I did things that were bad. I did use my sexuality as a weapon to get people iced way back in the day. So what? I was bored as all hell, and sometimes did things that were just plain evil. A lot of us did. I felt bad about it. I said I was sorry.
Again I keep seeing you say..... So what [/color]...... Tell me something. Do you not have any remorse today for what you done??? Or are you still in such a state of denial that you may never break through???? And again you keep saying alot of people did this behavior. Does that make it right???
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I do feel bad about what I did. It was not okay, and it didn't make it okay just because there were a number of us doing it. I have no problem saying that I did feel bad for causing havoc in peoples lives that probably didn't deserve it.
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Me being inspired to say get over it, and move on was because I see too many people on here letting their experiences in programs effect them for the rest of their lives. Using it as some sort of crutch. So yeah, get over it, and be strong.
No, we're tying to stop it from happening, help those who were abused, and punish those who abuse others.
And for that matter, who are YOU, still clinging to your program now, to tell anyone else that they are letting their experiences effect their lives too much? If someone was horrifically abused you don't just snap out of it. You're carrying the very kind of bullshit you're accusing everyone else of having.
Its not a crutch. Its a crime that needs to be stopped. Quit blaming the victim and give some vitriol at the person who DID that to them. Why are they so conspicuously not a part of what you say unless its me pissing you off on a fucking forum? Me pissing you off over the internet is me being bad, but someone abusing them in a program = them being a victim?
YOU'RE the one using "such a victim" as a crutch for your shaky, bullshit arguments, STRAIGHT out of the mouth from the program you were in!
I have no clue if Niles is gay, I think he could be bi?!! I really don't know, or care! All I know is he has a foul mouth, and is very disrespectful to women. That bothers me.
I'm straight, dominant, and I'm disrespectful to YOU. I love women, thanks! And no I'm not pushy or "like that" to the average woman, only those who ask for it. For that matter, why not speak to anyone whose actually talked to me like Ginger?
BUUUT seeing as you're so sensitive to it and I don't like you, well, duh, I'm mean to you. Stop being such a VICTIM!
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Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer????
You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!
Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.
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Well, see, I listened to people when they came to me. A lot of people came to me.
I listened to all of them. I also have something called "compassion" and "empathy". These let me imagine what its like to be there and start to understand the dynamic going on inside.
But at any rate, who are you? Who are they?
This isn't about anger, this is about what has been posted in my sig, that 800 pound gorilla in the room everyone ignores.
They're cut off from the world, trapped there for no good reason, nobody seems to have any explanation, we've had a steady trickle of consistent accusations of abuse for three decades and the only thing you can say is "I wasn't there".
Who gives a fuck?
Enjoy your apes.
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You're emotionally defending programs and relying on argumentative ploys instead of facts to back up your assertions.
Who is the programmed one here? Why not prove what you say instead of give nonsensical generalities and say we're saying kids should be allowed to hurt people?
Hey , you keep asking others, why dont you show some proof?
I've reposted enough, and the burden of proof is on them to prove programs work anyway!
They've had 30 years... what gives? If they're so good, show something!
That also is irrelevant to the issue of ethics, morals, and their rights as children, or the nonsensical model of treating problems by ignoring them and forcing completion of a B.M. Curriculum supplemented with LGATs.
Quite frankly, programs are absurd, and the only thing CCMgirl can pull out of her ass is "they're not ALL bad!" (with no proof, or anything more than a false middle fallacy as a crutch) or "WELL YOU DON'T OFFER ALTERNATIVES WTF YOURE SAYING LET THEM HURT PEOPLE?
Honestly... most people with troubled kids do fine without programs. Statistics don't LIE. There are tons of alternatives, and I don't feel like copying and pasting everything deb has posted for years just for CCM.
Put up, or shut up, and see the sig.
You show us nothing, if you think the schools are ineffective produce some evidence, some data that suggests 20,000 kids a year suffer in these places. Don’t just give me a link to some kid who had a bad experience, I am looking for long term clinical studies that show these schools are ineffective. If there were 20,000 kids a year suffering from these schools, one would think more than 1 or 2 would have raised their hand and said something or went to the police. The majority of these kids move on to some of the top universities in the country..... you spin off and go nuts and start posting porn because a couple of people push your buttons and you dont have the education or grammar to defend your position thru dialog yet in the same breath boast of a 146 I.Q.. (what’s up with that, anyway?)
You have no evidence; you just beat up on people like CCM who tell a different truth than you want to believe.
This is nothing more than a dumping grounds for your anger and hatred, you have no ties to this industry what so ever, so pick a sight like KKK or NAACP to beat up on and leave survivors like CCM and my daughter off your list.
Oh, and one more thing...I am a real stupid asshole.
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a) Burden of proof. 30 years. Ho hum.
b) there's plenty, www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org). The GAO. Fornits itself.
c) Who gives a fuck?
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a) Burden of proof. 30 years. Ho hum.
b) there's plenty, www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org). The GAO. Fornits itself.
c) Who gives a fuck?
Yeah, you responded with words!!
Your I.Q. may be 146 as you stated. Thank you Niles, for you research!
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Look at my last post (last line) and you will see that it was altered by Deborah again. Up to her old tricks. It says:
“Oh, and one more thing...I am a real stupid asshole.â€
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I read that post right after it was made, Who.
I was wondering why you popped that in there.
I guess now I know.
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I read that post right after it was made, Who.
I was wondering why you popped that in there.
I guess now I know.
Yeah, I am not pissed about it. But I feel bad for people who want to come on here and be anonymous and just tell their story without it being changed or having their I.P. traced back to a school or program, getting them fired.
Wish there was a way to stop it, especially for the new people coming on here. I know I wouldnt want to log on.
Jissom is good for you!
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No no no. And you're still not fooling anyone. I was wondering why *YOU* put that in there *WHEN YOU MADE THE ORIGINAL POST*. I definitely should have called you on it the minute it was made (PROTIP: No one is *THAT* fast on the edit button) because I half-guessed you might try to pull exactly this, but I thought maybe it was some retarded attempt at sarcasm.
For any lurking parents:
YES, THIS GUY DOES THINGS LIKE THAT. He will stop at absolutely nothing to staunch the bleeding that Fornits is inflicting on his abusive programs of choice. He'd hack the forum if he knew how.
YES, THIS MAN WANTS CONTROL OF YOUR CHILDREN.
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I read that post right after it was made, Who.
I was wondering why you popped that in there.
I guess now I know.
I know, if I had changed it it would have left an edit trail. The only one who can do that is an admin. It really makes you wonder why they do that. If I was a person on staff at a program reading this and wanted to put information out to someone on fornits I would think twice now!!
Why dont they have edit trails for admins? If they did, at least program staff people who wanted to post some sensitive information would feel safe about coming on here and posting anonymous and telling it like it is. but with adimins outing everyone who post here I would chance it if my job could be on the line.
I am an industry whore.
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I read that post right after it was made, Who.
I was wondering why you popped that in there.
I guess now I know.
I know, if I had changed it it would have left an edit trail. The only one who can do that is an admin. It really makes you wonder why they do that. If I was a person on staff at a program reading this and wanted to put information out to someone on fornits I would think twice now!!
Why dont they have edit trails for admins? If they did, at least program staff people who wanted to post some sensitive information would feel safe about coming on here and posting anonymous and telling it like it is. but with adimins outing everyone who post here I would chance it if my job could be on the line.
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If you edit your post within a certain amount of time, it doesn't show a trail. At least not a public one.
Quit trying to make it seem like the mods are editing your posts. They're not and you know it.
Nite Nite termites. I'm gonna watch the rain and drift off.
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I will try, and play nice. But, it's really hard when I get verbally abused all the time not to be just as immature as them. I really hate the word cunt, and I have been called that over a hundred times here! Then to be called whore.
Yeah? Boo hoo! I've been called that and worse more times than I can count here. BFD.
Hey, I admit I did things that were bad. I did use my sexuality as a weapon to get people iced way back in the day. So what? I was bored as all hell, and sometimes did things that were just plain evil. A lot of us did. I felt bad about it. I said I was sorry. Maybe that's why I was in those schools for so long?!!
I was molested from the age of 7 until I was 11 by a much older cousin. I was raped when I was 15. My stepfather tried to fuck me I don't know how many times. Teachers, counselors, police....you name it. Sexuality is a powerful thing and a young, vulnerable girl at the mercies of untrained, unqualified "hot" staff is a prime target. They know the girls are excited by the attention. Especially in a situation like a program. They know the kind of power they wield over the kids, they know how starved for attention and affection these girls are and they USE it.
A child cannot consent to sex with an adult. A patient cannot consent to sex with their therapist. Why is this so difficult a concept to grasp? I don't get it??
Yet no where did CCM Girl say that such a situation was right.. She just doesn't believe it was rape.
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No no no. And you're still not fooling anyone. I was wondering why *YOU* put that in there *WHEN YOU MADE THE ORIGINAL POST*. I definitely should have called you on it the minute it was made (PROTIP: No one is *THAT* fast on the edit button) because I half-guessed you might try to pull exactly this, but I thought maybe it was some retarded attempt at sarcasm.
For any lurking parents:
YES, THIS GUY DOES THINGS LIKE THAT. He will stop at absolutely nothing to staunch the bleeding that Fornits is inflicting on his abusive programs of choice. He'd hack the forum if he knew how.
YES, THIS MAN WANTS CONTROL OF YOUR CHILDREN.
Hey look, he doesn't want to reply to this one! Wonder why not?
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For the slow class: The post was never edited by anyone. It was part of the original message.
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And if the mods really are going to edit his posts, can you please just go whole-hog and really mangle his bitch ass? Make him say ANYTHING YOU WANT. On all of his posts. I'm sure the PT9K would be happy to help. It's not like you're losing precious data to be archived for all time. :lol:
And then ban him by IP. His whole Class B if you have to.
And then delete this whole topic. It's troll fodder anyway.
(If this was my forum, you bet your sweet ass I'd do exactly this.)
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Interesting tactic Who- edit your post so that it makes it look like someone else is changing it, and if you get really lucky (as what happened between your last and Anne's post), manage to time it so that the reply after yours quotes your "unchanged" post before you modified it.
Looks like they hired someone who knows the basics of phpBB.
You're still no match for Anonymous, Who.
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I read that post right after it was made, Who.
I was wondering why you popped that in there.
I guess now I know.
I know, if I had changed it it would have left an edit trail. The only one who can do that is an admin. It really makes you wonder why they do that. If I was a person on staff at a program reading this and wanted to put information out to someone on fornits I would think twice now!!
Why dont they have edit trails for admins? If they did, at least program staff people who wanted to post some sensitive information would feel safe about coming on here and posting anonymous and telling it like it is. but with adimins outing everyone who post here I would chance it if my job could be on the line.
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If you edit your post within a certain amount of time, it doesn't show a trail. At least not a public one.
Quit trying to make it seem like the mods are editing your posts. They're not and you know it.
Nite Nite termites. I'm gonna watch the rain and drift off.
Anne, now look at the post of mine you just captured (replied to) and then look at my original. There is no way I could have edited my post without an edit trail after those posts. You have to admit I could not have done that.
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Interesting tactic Who- edit your post so that it makes it look like someone else is changing it, and if you get really lucky (as what happened between your last and Anne's post), manage to time it so that the reply after yours quotes your "unchanged" post before you modified it.
Looks like they hired someone who knows the basics of phpBB.
You're still no match for Anonymous, Who.
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Why would the Who lie? Nobody should be changing anyone's posts. That is plain wrong.
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And later people will go to bed claiming, "I saved lives today! GOOD I'm so awesome!"
:lol:
btw.. as far as I can tell no one has altered the who's threads other than the who.
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And later people will go to bed claiming, "I saved lives today! GOOD I'm so awesome!"
:lol:
btw.. as far as I can tell no one has altered the who's threads other than the who.
How do you explain this ?:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=290398#290398 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=290398#290398)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=290400#290400 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=290400#290400)
or are you going to say I timed this one just right to edit it myself.... I know the answer do you?
do you think program staff will want to post here knowing posts are still being altered and I.P.s are being outed. I know I wouldnt if I worked for a school and wanted a place to safely tell my side of the story.
Why does this continue to happen?
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I read that post right after it was made, Who.
I was wondering why you popped that in there.
I guess now I know.
I know, if I had changed it it would have left an edit trail. The only one who can do that is an admin. It really makes you wonder why they do that. If I was a person on staff at a program reading this and wanted to put information out to someone on fornits I would think twice now!!
Why dont they have edit trails for admins? If they did, at least program staff people who wanted to post some sensitive information would feel safe about coming on here and posting anonymous and telling it like it is. but with adimins outing everyone who post here I would chance it if my job could be on the line.
I am an industry whore.
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Look. We're switching to SMF soon. As for who did that? Dunno. You could have. I'll ask the other Admins and if somebody admits, Ginger will deal with it. K.
It could just be an attempt at humor, btw. The content of the message other than the fitting addition has not been altered. In any case, i'll ask around.
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I read that post right after it was made, Who.
I was wondering why you popped that in there.
I guess now I know.
I know, if I had changed it it would have left an edit trail. The only one who can do that is an admin. It really makes you wonder why they do that. If I was a person on staff at a program reading this and wanted to put information out to someone on fornits I would think twice now!!
Why dont they have edit trails for admins? If they did, at least program staff people who wanted to post some sensitive information would feel safe about coming on here and posting anonymous and telling it like it is. but with adimins outing everyone who post here I would chance it if my job could be on the line.
I am an industry whore.
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Look. We're switching to SMF soon. As for who did that? Dunno. You could have. I'll ask the other Admins and if somebody admits, Ginger will deal with it. K.
It could just be an attempt at humor, btw. The content of the message other than the fitting addition has not been altered. In any case, i'll ask around.
Come on Psy, you know I could not have done that (altered the post) after Anne Bonney captured it and reposted it under her name... thats bullshit!!
Look at all my posts before it, they are being changed.
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Psy: This is how he's pulling it off:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23753 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23753)
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And later people will go to bed claiming, "I saved lives today! GOOD I'm so awesome!"
:lol:
btw.. as far as I can tell no one has altered the who's threads other than the who.
How do you explain this ?:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=290398#290398 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=290398#290398)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=290400#290400 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=290400#290400)
or are you going to say I timed this one just right to edit it myself.... I know the answer do you?
do you think program staff will want to post here knowing posts are still being altered and I.P.s are being outed. I know I wouldnt if I worked for a school and wanted a place to safely tell my side of the story.
Why does this continue to happen?
It continues to happen because you are lying your ass off. K? anymore questions?
And btw.. what the fuck do I care who posts here or who doesn't?
Get it through your little head that fornits isn't the center of this universe. At best fornits is a freak show that stupidly wastes its time catering to wierdos like yourself.
I strongly suggest that program staff NOT post on fornits. Nobody deserves having to read your sorry ass posts.
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I think you are all missing the point of this thread.
Does anyone have confirmation Niles has fucked a girl in his lifetime?
Niles is gay... until proven otherwise.
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I think he is a goat ass man myself.
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Why does this continue to happen?
I don't know, are you off your meds again?
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edit: um
2nd edit: hi, i'm proof you don't have to be an admin to edit YOUR OWN posts and NOT have the fucking EDIT verbiage show up at the bottom. HOW SPIFFY EH?
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Come on Psy, you know I could not have done that (altered the post) after Anne Bonney captured it and reposted it under her name... thats bullshit!!
Look at all my posts before it, they are being changed.
COME ON thewho ANYONE can edit their posts and have THE "this post was edited blah blah blah" NOT show up. A N Y O N E! Including Y O U! LOL
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=290513#290513 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=290513#290513)
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I am an industry whore.
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Tell us something we don't know, Who.. :rofl:
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Why would the Who lie? Nobody should be changing anyone's posts. That is plain wrong.
:cry2: :cry2: :cry2: ::both:: :rofl: :rofl:
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Look at my last post (last line) and you will see that it was altered by Deborah again. Up to her old tricks. It says:
“Oh, and one more thing...I am a real stupid asshole.â€
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I am not trying to discredit Fornits, I am pointing out a flaw that you continue to exploit.... you are doing this to yourself, if you read my posts you will see that I merely want the problem resolved. I have kept quiet until it started up again.
Its not a scare tactic. What I am saying is the admins need to be trusted with your information. Some of the admins do not hold this trust to a high enough standard and expose people if they don’t agree with them or lose an argument. Deborah (in the past) has entered into several posts of mine and changed the content of that post without leaving an edit trail (this has been established after several iterations). My I.P. address (all but the last number) and location was posted about a year or two ago for all to see. So people know what town I live in. If there happened to be a TBS or boarding school in the town they would know what school you are posting from.
When you post on any web site your IP number is left there and will allow admins, like Deborah, to determine if the post is coming from Cummington, Massachusetts or Dahlonega, Georgia. It will be “time stampedâ€
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NO parents or staff should feel safe here, Who. Especially not you. Technical issues and whoever happens to be wielding the admin stick have nothing to do with it.
Why? Because this happens to be a forum full of people who have gone through the worst shit conceivable, some who just want revenge, and some who have already taken it.
And just to make sure you don't post anything fucking retarded like "the worst shit conceivable, what are you talking about", HERE WE GO AGAIN:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... c&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=15260&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60)
There were more kids who were dangers to themselves. I honestly think ASR is very lucky in that no one has succeeded in committing suicide. I can tell you first hand that for someone with major depression ASR could drive you past breaking point easily. It seemed like they pick and chose who they took seriously about being suicidal. I was not taken seriously, and had my roommate not been in the room one day, I may well have taken my life. I do not say that to evoke pity or anything else like that, and I was not using it to "manipulate" ( a favorite ASR term)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... c&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=15260&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60)
Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
1) What is self-study?
2) Describe this Escorting more please?
3) Why was a student doing the escorting of a self-harming/suicidal resident and not a staff member?
A self study was the worst of the three major consequences. (reflection, challenge, self study). You had work projects, all free time was spent at your table, facing the wall. Lots of writing assignments. Loss of all privileges. Standing during all meetings. You most likely had strict bans
Basically I had to take her back to the dorm and be with her while she gathered up her things and changed, etc. I don't remember if she showered or not. I was basically there to make sure she didn't attempt again.
I don't know why they had me do it. I was "trusted" at that point, and honestly... probably a better choice than some of the staff.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... r&start=15 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=15)
yes, they did. to a large degree. Dean Kent (the staff mentioned in the article) was gone by the time i had arrived. (he was there in 1997, and i got to ASR in Cummington, MA on January 5th of 1998) i had heard from other students about Dean, that he was a really nice guy but fired b/c he'd called DSS on them. Brett Carey was still the Dean of Student Life when i arrived, and his wife Lisa also helped in the fitness department & was pregnant when i first arrived. They had 2 other daughters, Madison & Carly. The whole thought was a bit frightening, because when we had the 2 hour group "therapy" sessions 2 times a week, they were harsh and abusive to say the least. All of us students would be split into 2 groups, and we'd be rounded up in a circle to get screamed at, belittled and dehumanized. They called it "confrontational", although it was more like verbal abuse and intentional slaughtering.
i was very afraid while i was there, as a student with an extensive sexual abuse history involving rape & incest, i was constantly the target of this slaughtering, esp. b/c i was overweight at the time. needless to say, i left ASR with anorexia some 19 months later.
Brett & other students were all allowed to scream vulgarities at you, called you a "fat bitch, slut," and all. at the age of 15 i learned the word "dildo" while playing scrabble with Brett. One of my roomates claimed that Brett had forced her into sexual operations.
Most of all, it was excusable for students to haze each other.
It was almost looked at as funny. One Staff named Kristen Merhoff gave me funny looks and made sarcastic and patronizing comments when i'd opened up to her about my eating disorder.
Later on, a staff named Amy Robichaud would scream at me for ruining my life, pushing everyone away, talking about how i was a disasterous person, unworthy of being loved. To say the least, she was an abusive person, much alike a person in the throws of an addiction like alchoholism & drug addictions, both of which she admittedly had. There was a great deal of favoritism there, even staff who seemed to want to gain the approval of certain students.
The labor & sleep deprivation that was mentioned in the article is most likely in reference to the "Lifesteps". These were so called "workshops" it was mandatory for all students to attend. Staff and students would be expected to open up there deepest and most unknown
secrets for the sake of "growing". It's true, there was little sleeping allowed & often i myself left feeling shamed & ridiculed.
i was one of the main targets in that school the entire time i was there, a target of hazing & was even blamed for a student breaking into the med office and comsuming large quantities of my prescriptions. For the first 5 months i was there, you could litterally leave, go smoke 1/2 a pack of cigarettes, drop a couple tabs of acid, take like 5 hits off a joint come back & they wouldn't even realize it.
ASR is, to say the least, a very very fucked up place. i have several more things to say, but this whole thing would take eons.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... r&start=30 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=30)
I am a former student at ASR. I was in the first peer group, 97-98. My experience there haunts me to this day. I have read many articles that refer to the "old staff" and "new staff". I cannot speak for the way ASR is run now, being 2004, but I can speak for how it was run in 97 and 98. Let me start by saying that I am not an angry, defiant kid who is trying to start trouble for ASR. I have graduated high school and am about to graduate college and enter law school. I don't get into trouble, I am a productive member of society, and want people to know the truth. We were badgered, belittled, sworn at, made to stay up all night during "life steps" and given only small rations of food, had all calls to our parents monitored by staff and had the phone hung up on us if we tried to complain to our parents about these things, scrutinized and humiliated on a daily basis. Our mail was read, staff lost their voices by yelling so loudly at us, I personally was called a "slut", a rich little Daddysgirl, a doormat, told my dad tried to buy my love with money, made to discuss personal sexual and private experiences in group sessions with other peers, made to write a ten page paper by hand about what my "issues" were, and if the staff didn't like it, I started over ( this was because I was too close to my friend there, and they put us on bans so we couldn't talk to each other). People, whomever wants to hear specific stories about all of these things, I would be more than happy to share with you!!! email me at gilligansisland636@hotmail.com (http://mailto:gilligansisland636@hotmail.com) i bet i can help you get her out of there
I also graduated from ASR very recently on August the 6th. And I can tell you right now that any kid who complained, their parents were manipulated right out of believing them. There was extreme emotional abuse there, and the only reason anyone's behavior was modified was because they were scared shitless of staying there longer or going to a worse program. We were so scared, your own friends turned against you and you couldnt trust them. The group sessions were awful. One of my friends who had issues with sleeping around was in group and the counselor in the room told her that she might as well keep a mattress tied to her back. Daily, I heard awful things about myself and everyday I was just so sad. Places like this are awful and they need to be stopped. ASR isnt even the worst of them but they all need to go.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... r&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=asr&start=60)
I am a an ASR graduate. I graduated in October of 03. At the end of the program I believed that ASR had done a lot for me. Looking back I am shocked that I ever thought that. I was made to turn against my friends and turn them in for the slightest rule breaking (for example listening to music). In group we were often degraded and yelled at, supposedly to make us better. Several times I was suicidal and instead of worrying they told me I was lying and being manipulative. In one group eveyone was allowed to go around and say their judgements against everyone else things like "youre a fat slut". That group was horrible. You were scared into being good and behaving. I'm not sure why I thought this place was so great, I feel as if I was brainwashed in a way.
The wilderness experience was horrible. I spent over 40 days in the outdoors being punished for any little thing we did wrong. My first day I had to run 20 minutes and when I stopped the counselers screamed at me and when i vomited they didnt care. just told me i shouldt have drank so muich water.