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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 12, 2007, 01:41:28 PM
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pfffft, shove ammonia up her nostrils and see how long it takes her to die
after all it's not fucking ILLEGAL is it
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Apparently at boot camps you can cause someones death but not be held accountable.
Good thing they closed them, but lets see how long THAT lasts.
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pfffft, shove ammonia up her nostrils and see how long it takes her to die
after all it's not fucking ILLEGAL is it
Couple of interesting questions this raises:
Say the guards didn't mean to kill the kid. Say they were not properly trained. Would the fault then rest primarily on the School then? Would they then be guilty of a lesser assault charge of some sort rather than murder? Because somebody is definately responsible for his death... If I'm not mistaken, woudn't the family still have a good chance at a civil suit against the management at the school?
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Looks like the Justice Department is going to review the case (http://http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071012/BREAKINGNEWS/71012038)
Justice Department to review
WASHINGTON -- The Justice Department announced Friday it will review evidence concerning the death of Martin Lee Anderson, who collapsed at a Bay County boot camp for juvenile offenders.
The announcement came shortly after a Florida jury found the eight facility employees on trial for Anderson’s death not guilty.
“The Civil Rights Division and the U.S. Attorney’s Office will conduct a thorough and independent review of all of the evidence, including the state trial transcripts, and take appropriate action if the evidence indicates a prosecutable violation of federal criminal civil rights statutes,â€
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Seems no one is going to do jail time, although I am surprised the nurse didn’t get convicted she was standing right there the whole time as a medical professional, was she not informed the child had sickle cell trait? If she wasn’t then why? (That is where the fault lies, IMO, right here) If they use this as a template I don’t think anyone could be convicted in the future. The guards didn’t know any better, they abuse kids all day long for a living and know a healthy child should have survived that whole ordeal; they are guilty of abuse but not murder.
Its tricky, the school should shoulder the responsibility in a civil suit and the parents would at least get a hefty monetary settlement (Like the O.J. case). But the dam nurse gets in the way… she is the professional and since she got off the hook how can they fault the school (legally)?
I didn’t followed the second half of the trial so I don’t know why she got off.
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Of course the guards should be convicted of murder/manslaughter, their actions killed the boy(suffocation from the ammonia). Nurse should be too for failing to render aid. I would have loved for the prosecution to ask if the guards(cops right?) would have recognized this kind of treatment as child abuse had they been called to a home and found this kind thing being done by parents. They can claim training all they want, but if they were trained to rape someone as punishment it wouldn't justify them actually doing it.
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Of course the guards should be convicted of murder/manslaughter, their actions killed the boy(suffocation from the ammonia).
I thought it was due to complications from the boy having sickle cell trait? If that is the case then the guards may not have known this....
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Nevermind lemon party. Forget about goatass, Just read these comments ::puke::
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I wonder if those guards had gotten into a bar brawl where they beat a guy repeatedly and then when he passed out stuffed ammonia up his nose whether they would face aquittal?????
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Of course the guards should be convicted of murder/manslaughter, their actions killed the boy(suffocation from the ammonia).
I thought it was due to complications from the boy having sickle cell trait? If that is the case then the guards may not have known this....
No, two examiners said that the trait was a factor but cited the ammonia and covering of his mouth as the main cause. One Doctor said that Anderson would have died regardless, trait or not. In short the trait didn't kill him, it was being ran and then suffocated that killed him. Had they not suffocated him he would not have died.
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Of course the guards should be convicted of murder/manslaughter, their actions killed the boy(suffocation from the ammonia).
I thought it was due to complications from the boy having sickle cell trait? If that is the case then the guards may not have known this....
No, two examiners said that the trait was a factor but cited the ammonia and covering of his mouth as the main cause. One Doctor said that Anderson would have died regardless. In short the trait didn't kill him, it was being ran and then suffocated that killed him. Had they not suffocated him he would not have died.
Well, I was following the case (hour by hour) for awhile there and it seemed they were heading down a path that the sickle cell caused the complications (which in my mind would get the guards off the hook because they might not have been informed) but the registered(?) nurse was there and should have taken full responsibility. I thought she would have been given jail time (unless someone withheld the info from her) but now you say sickle cell wasn’t the issue?
Then why weren’t they all convicted if the use of ammonia and suffocation was the cause? I would have to agree that if a child dies someone would have to be responsible (if it wasn’t caused by an existing condition). Maybe they (the courts) realize the state/school is going to be sued anyway and are tossing this aside to allow a civil suit to take place and settle this monetarily.. the prisons are over crowded especially in Florida.... possible reason I guess
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Well, it wasn't the court's that let them off the hook as part of some legal strategy. The jury simply got it wrong, they bought the argument that child abuse in boot camps ain't abuse, that the guards were just doing as they were trained(despite common sense), and that the "faking until proven dead" excuse is A ok.
Lord this world needs an enema.....
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Well, it wasn't the court's that let them off the hook as part of some legal strategy. The jury simply got it wrong, they bought the argument that child abuse in boot camps ain't abuse, that the guards were just doing as they were trained(despite common sense), and that the "faking until proven dead" excuse is A ok.
Lord this world needs an enema.....
Kind of agree, something doesnt seem right....I am sure they are persuing a civil case to at least get a monetary settlement, that really surprises me.
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They already got a settlement from the state. Are you saying they may try to sue the individuals(guards, nurse)? I doubt it, I'm sure they have some sort of immunity.
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pfffft, shove ammonia up her nostrils and see how long it takes her to die
after all it's not fucking ILLEGAL is it
Couple of interesting questions this raises:
Say the guards didn't mean to kill the kid. Say they were not properly trained. Would the fault then rest primarily on the School then? Would they then be guilty of a lesser assault charge of some sort rather than murder? Because somebody is definately responsible for his death... If I'm not mistaken, woudn't the family still have a good chance at a civil suit against the management at the school?
Psy if you kick and beat aa kid who is obviously unwell to start with, you mean to kill them....especially when you know you're going to get away with it as have many others before in this rotten hellhole dumps
As for your question, yes, to al of it, sue them individualy, sue the program, the school, the state, the giovernment, anyone who actually allows these places to run, sue them (then shove ammonia up their noses)
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If you hit someone, and they die, because of a medical complication, from an assault that wasn't intended to kill them, but they die anyway, you're often charged with murder, and at least manslaughter.
But apparently if a member of law enforcement does it, they can say "oh, it was just the SICKLE CELL" and ignore the fact that it was their actions that caused it, as long as they're in the southeast.
I want out.
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That's so true Nihil, Locally I've seen people sent up the river for getting into a fight where the person later died from something like a heart attack.
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pfffft, shove ammonia up her nostrils and see how long it takes her to die
after all it's not fucking ILLEGAL is it
Couple of interesting questions this raises:
Say the guards didn't mean to kill the kid. Say they were not properly trained. Would the fault then rest primarily on the School then? Would they then be guilty of a lesser assault charge of some sort rather than murder? Because somebody is definately responsible for his death... If I'm not mistaken, woudn't the family still have a good chance at a civil suit against the management at the school?
Psy if you kick and beat aa kid who is obviously unwell to start with, you mean to kill them....especially when you know you're going to get away with it as have many others before in this rotten hellhole dumps
As for your question, yes, to al of it, sue them individualy, sue the program, the school, the state, the giovernment, anyone who actually allows these places to run, sue them (then shove ammonia up their noses)
I agree. if you repeatedly beat someone what the fuck to you think is going to happen?
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Federal officials to review boot camp death case
* Story Highlights
* Jury acquitted eight former juvenile boot camp staffers of manslaughter charges
* Florida civil rights leaders are calling for federal charges in the case
* A teenage boy died a day after being hit by guards as a nurse watched
* The videotaped incident marked the end of Florida's juvenile boot camp system
PANAMA CITY, Florida (AP) -- Seven former juvenile boot camp guards and a nurse had barely processed an all-white jury's decision to acquit them in a black teenager's death before federal authorities announced they would review the case.
Since jurors on Friday acquitted them of manslaughter charges, federal prosecutors likely would have to try another tactic, such as seeking an indictment alleging obstruction of justice, legal experts said.
"It's too early to say that the final chapter has been written with respect to the criminal justice system in this case," said Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney in Miami.
Florida civil rights leaders called for federal charges hours after a jury took 90 minutes to exonerate the eight in state court in the death of Martin Lee Anderson, 14.
By Friday evening, officials from the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington and the U.S. Attorney's Office in Tallahassee announced they were reviewing the state's prosecution.
Anderson died January 6, 2006, a day after being hit and kicked by the guards as the nurse watched after he collapsed while running laps. The 30-minute confrontation was videotaped. VideoWatch the video of the incident »
The altercation drew protests in the state capital and marked the end of Florida's system of juvenile boot camps.
Defense attorneys argued that the camp workers were using accepted tactics and that the boy died because of a pre-existing medical condition.
Coffey said state prosecutors might have laid a foundation for their federal counterparts to seek an obstruction charge by grilling the eight about inconsistencies and omissions in their written accounts of the last conscious moments of Anderson's life when they testified last week.
But lawyer Bob Sombathy, who represented ex-guard Patrick Garrett, said he doubted a federal prosecution would be successful. Sombathy said the state trial showed the medical findings are on the side of the defendants.
"With a 90-minute verdict after a three-week trial (in the state case), it would be the same result," he said.
Ashley Benedik, defense attorney for nurse Kristin Schmidt, said the federal government might not bring charges.
"To a certain extent there was more at stake for the state, there was more of a public outcry," she said.
At a vigil in the impoverished neighborhood where Anderson grew up, community leaders appealed for calm in the wake of the verdict, which they said was affected by Circuit Judge Michael Overstreet's decision to hold the trial in Panama City, where the boot camp was located.
"This is not the end of it. We can take it to a higher court and I hope it will be taken to a higher court," said Panama City Commissioner Jonathan Wilson.
Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, said she was not surprised the guards were acquitted by a "hometown jury." Nor would it surprise her if the federal government stepped in, she said.
"This is the very type of case you would expect the Justice Department to take a very close look at, just like the Rodney King case," Levenson said.
King was pulled over for speeding in Los Angeles' eastern San Fernando Valley, where police officers who said he acted menacingly and refused to follow their orders were videotaped kicking him, pummeling him with their nightsticks and shooting him with stun-gun darts.
After a jury acquitted the officers in 1992, riots broke out across Los Angeles and lasted four days, leaving 55 people dead and more than 2,000 injured.
Federal prosecutors in the King case presented new evidence during their trial of the officers, including testimony that the officers had lied and had laughed about the incident, Levenson said.
In the federal trial, two officers were convicted of violating King's civil rights.
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pfffft, shove ammonia up her nostrils and see how long it takes her to die
after all it's not fucking ILLEGAL is it
Couple of interesting questions this raises:
Say the guards didn't mean to kill the kid. Say they were not properly trained. Would the fault then rest primarily on the School then? Would they then be guilty of a lesser assault charge of some sort rather than murder? Because somebody is definately responsible for his death... If I'm not mistaken, woudn't the family still have a good chance at a civil suit against the management at the school?
Psy if you kick and beat aa kid who is obviously unwell to start with, you mean to kill them....especially when you know you're going to get away with it as have many others before in this rotten hellhole dumps
As for your question, yes, to al of it, sue them individualy, sue the program, the school, the state, the giovernment, anyone who actually allows these places to run, sue them (then shove ammonia up their noses)
I second that emotion!!!!!!