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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 27, 2007, 09:58:44 PM
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i hear tell that mountain brook will be opening soon...they are supposed to be at ridge creek, don't know what they plan on doing with ridge creek, but i am hearing that lisences have been applied for and they are just waiting now for them to come through...
looks like the little general is on the move...
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How in the fuck can they possibly get licenses from Georgia at this point?
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it's georgia.
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THIS IS A DISGRACE AND IT IS TIME GOERGIA BUREAUCRATS GOT OFF THEIR ASSES, STOPPED ATTENDING THEIR BAR LUNCHEONS AND DID SOMETHING! ORS AND CPS - THEIR REPORT ( HLA)FROM LAST YEAR, IS NOT EVEN PUBLISHED ON THEIR WEB SITE. why not? GOOD LUCK, TRY AND GET IT...IT IS PUBLIC RECORD,
BUT TRY AND GET THEIR ACTUAL FINDINGS. SO THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE HLA, AFTER 12 OR SO YEARS, MORE NOW, GET LICENSED. FOR THEM TO EVEN CONSIDER MOUNTAIN BROOK AT THIS JUNCTURE IS ANOTHER FOLLY FOR SURE.
ORS AND CPS HAVE A DUTY TO INFORM THE PUBLIC WHAT TRANSPIRED AT HLA, SO AS THE SAYING GOES, "HISTORY DOES NOT REPEAT ITSELF".
IT IS OBVIOUS IN NORTH GEORGIA, BAR LUNCHEONS AND CHICKENS
ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE SAFETY AND LIVES OF CHILDREN!
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What's curious is that HLAs inspections are online but state there were no violations/deficiencies cited. If there were no violations, then why a "Temporary" license?
Where were they out of compliance to warrant a temp?
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Business Name History
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Name Name Type
MOUNTAINBROOK ACADEMY, LLC Current Name
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Limited Liability Company - Domestic - Information
Control No.: 0533821
Status: Active/Compliance
Entity Creation Date: 5/13/2005
Jurisdiction: GA
Principal Office Address: 1950 North Park Place
Suite 400
ATLANTA GA 30339
Last Annual Registration Filed Date: 2/3/2007
Last Annual Registration Filed: 2007
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Registered Agent
Agent Name: THE MLF COMPANY SUPPORT, L.L.C.
Office Address: 1950 NORTH PARK PLACE, STE.400
ATLANTA GA 30339-2003
http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/Corp.asp?357715 (http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/Corp.asp?357715)
AND GUESS WHO MLF COMPANY IS??? Thorton Morris!!!
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Business Name History
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Name Name Type
THE MLF COMPANY SUPPORT, L.L.C. Current Name
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Limited Liability Company - Domestic - Information
Control No.: 0258996
Status: Active/Compliance
Entity Creation Date: 11/22/2002
Jurisdiction: GA
Principal Office Address: 1950 NORTH PARK PLACE, STE.400
ATLANTA GA 30339-2003
Last Annual Registration Filed Date: 2/12/2007
Last Annual Registration Filed: 2007
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Registered Agent
Agent Name: MORRIS, THORNTON W.
Office Address: 1950 NORTH PARK PLACE, STE.400
ATLANTA GA 30339-2003
Agent County: COBB
http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/Corp.asp?172150 (http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/Corp.asp?172150)
That's probably where all of HLA's money has gone is to fund Mountain Brook.
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halloween is a time for road trips and maltov cocktails.
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Who is Thornton Morris?
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Business Name History
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Name Name Type
MOUNTAINBROOK ACADEMY, LLC Current Name
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Limited Liability Company - Domestic - Information
Control No.: 0533821
Status: Active/Compliance
Entity Creation Date: 5/13/2005
Jurisdiction: GA
Principal Office Address: 1950 North Park Place
Suite 400
ATLANTA GA 30339
Last Annual Registration Filed Date: 2/3/2007
Last Annual Registration Filed: 2007
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Registered Agent
Agent Name: THE MLF COMPANY SUPPORT, L.L.C.
Office Address: 1950 NORTH PARK PLACE, STE.400
ATLANTA GA 30339-2003
http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/Corp.asp?357715 (http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/Corp.asp?357715)
AND GUESS WHO MLF COMPANY IS??? Thorton Morris!!!
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Business Name History
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Name Name Type
THE MLF COMPANY SUPPORT, L.L.C. Current Name
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Limited Liability Company - Domestic - Information
Control No.: 0258996
Status: Active/Compliance
Entity Creation Date: 11/22/2002
Jurisdiction: GA
Principal Office Address: 1950 NORTH PARK PLACE, STE.400
ATLANTA GA 30339-2003
Last Annual Registration Filed Date: 2/12/2007
Last Annual Registration Filed: 2007
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Registered Agent
Agent Name: MORRIS, THORNTON W.
Office Address: 1950 NORTH PARK PLACE, STE.400
ATLANTA GA 30339-2003
Agent County: COBB
http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/Corp.asp?172150 (http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/Corp.asp?172150)
That's probably where all of HLA's money has gone is to fund Mountain Brook.
this just gets better...so I guess Martin quirk is not going to be signing off as the registered agent on this one! the webs they weave..
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so this is posted on the ORS web-site, but they did not post last years HLA report. When I asked in March, I was told they had not gotten to it. then every month from then on.
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someone got paid..........
ITS GEORGIA
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doesn't this require proper zoning, permits, etc.? i can't see how the town planning board, after basically scuttling this project initially, can now allow it to move forward. before HLA was saying MB would NOT be a lockup, now they openly admit it will be, but where's the outcry?
i think it's time for some more personal letters to the planning board members. it worked last time.
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From what I understand the town turned down the tax abatement. HLA could have still built MBA. I don't think the town will have much of a case to deny it if they are not putting up any money to fund it.
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They are going to be using the girls dorm at RC...so that takes care of that. What is reprehensible is that the State would even consider a license
for Buccellato at this time. Unless, the land is going to be leased out, to a
new owner and the license is applied for under that ownership. there are many creative ways to do this. If he is doing it directly, than this needs to be in the media. the State needs to be held accountable.
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Are parents the least bit concerned about the kids who would attend MBA?
Not likely that it will house adjudicated youth, would the state pay $15K a month? Unless parents would be required to pay the expense of warehousing their juvenile delinquent.
So who are these kids, whose parents can afford $15K a month and who require a private pay prison?
What is the rationale for opening a third program, given their current financial difficulties? Why $9000 more per month than HLA? For what?
What's Hidden other than the Lake?
Who dreamed up this larceny?
To the editor:
Since I cannot afford $600 advertisements, as a citizen I have only three options: do my homework, speak my mind at public meetings and write letters to my local paper. Reading The Nugget this week reminded me of a few more questions, and I would like to challenge a few assertions I have heard.
The children at Mountain Brook will be just like Lumpkin County Kids.
No one discounts the need for young people in trouble to get help. However, the implication that attendees at Hidden Lake and Ridge Creek are just like Lumpkin County kids is at odds with fact. True enough, we have some kids who are in need of help, but they would never be able to afford Hidden Lake. The average Lumpkin County parents (a taxpayer) would have to sell everything they own to send their child there. This is not a school for the middle class or economically deprived.
I was happy to hear that there will be no guard towers or barbed wire. But why are the dorm "windows" fake? Why is this new group subject to being physically detained unlike current students? Without a court order, what is the legal basis of doing so with a juvenile beyond the age of 16? Simply read the current application form and you will quickly discover the major differences with our local student population.
This will bring in millions of dollars to the county and spur growth.
I agree that this will bring large sums of money to the county ... at least temporarily. Consider a few figures. The attendance at Hidden Lake is approximately 150 juveniles. The monthly tuition is about $5,400 ... about $810,000 a month.
Ridge Creek looks something like this. The program is 26 days long with about eight students in 24 groups a year. Tuition is $11,310. The minimum gross intake each year would appear to be $2,171,520. Add that to Hidden Lake and the annual gross appears to be almost $10 million!
The Mountain Brook facility will be even more expensive if my hearing was right ... $15,000 per month for a year. Please correct me if I am wrong. If I'm not, the annual cost to attend Mountain Brook is $180,000!! Will people who come visit their kids in these programs really spend time and money in Dahlonega shops?
By the way, do you really think growth is going to stop at the Dawson County line? All that speed bump does is give us a chance to plan this community better so that it looks more like a Peachtree City than an Alpharetta.
Conclusion.
If I could afford one of those $600 ads it would go something like this.
A year at Harvard University ... $41,675.
Four years at the University of Georgia ... $41,112.
A year at Hidden Lake Academy ... $64,800.
Perspective on a $71,000 tax break for Hidden Lake ... priceless.
Sincerely,
Billy Wells,
Colonel, Infantry,
Retired,
Dahlonega
http://tinyurl.com/y4hlrz (http://tinyurl.com/y4hlrz)
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If HLA is asking for nothing from the county then they have no say in whether or not MBA happens. If the market will allow for 15,000 then that is how much they should charge. If there is no market for it, then they will have to change. Let the market decide whether or not it is a good idea.
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no, the county or state can withold licenses.
of course, they could still operate without a license (as many programs do), but that would lead hidden lake into shit creek really fast, especially with a $15000/mo price tag.
at look at the way youre talking. you make me sick. "if the market will allow it..." fuck man. it's as if youre putting a price on children.
HLA is opening MB because it's going to be cheap as fuck for them to build and operate in comparison to hidden lake. it's a lockdown after all; and it will compensate for all the money they are loosing at hidden lake. 1 kid at MB = ~3 kids at hla. considering the operating costs will be much lower, profits will probably exceed the equivalent of 5-6 hla kids.
it used to be that hidden lake would milk parents for that little extra drop of money by claiming that their kid wasnt doing so well, and needed an "intervention" via a month and RCI. it's well known that every HLAer should expect to attend rci at least once in their hla career...as hard as you try they will always find a reason to send you. but, rci has become a "pussy" program, and unlike in rci formative years, now many kids even look foward to going. they even do things so they get sent to rci, because rci provides relative freedom and a break from school. Mountain brook will provide the same thing Ridge creek used to provide: an intimidating environment that will scare the bad behaviour out of hla'ers; and a way to milk some more money out of parents.
also bucci really likes the super-bad kids, like the psychopath that c.poole was talking about, he knows parents will pay anything to get rid of them, and he wants a piece of the market share.
I am also positive that quite a bit of money and a few favors were given out to a few county officials, to provide a more favorable political atmosphere for the development of M.B
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I actually just recently left Hla not long ago
Mountain Brook is suppose to be in the boys dorm at ridge creek.
They are still keeping ridge creek
It's just getting worse and worse by the days!
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I actually just recently left Hla not long ago
Mountain Brook is suppose to be in the boys dorm at ridge creek.
They are still keeping ridge creek
It's just getting worse and worse by the days!
Can you elaborate on "worse and worse"?
What is your understanding of the difference between MB and HLA and/or RC? A wilderness or TBS or combination? What makes it stand apart from the other two? Different demographic of kids?