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Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Joyce Harris on August 21, 2007, 01:35:48 AM
In her attempt to help Sue Scheff bring down FORNITS, Isabelle Zehnder lied about Joyce Harris in the email she sent Ginger Warbis:
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From: Ginger Warbis

Isabelle, do you really give a flyin' fuck at a rollin donut what people like these think?


At 11:57 PM 4/30/2006, you wrote:

Hi Ginger,

Did you see this? (see below) I know you don't like to censor the forum, but I think people are taking this way too far. Me and Sue Scheff? Me making money? Running interference between her and for Sue against WWASP? What on earth are these people talking about? I've gotten a $70 donation for CAICA, and spent thousands of our hard-earned dollars toward the cause. So money coming to me? Are they nuts? This could be some troll but nonetheless it reads like a threat and I would appreciate it if you could edit this stuff off Fornits. It's gotten out of hand, in my opinion.

All because what? Joyce Harris started this whole thing when she e-mailed me asking that I post the trial date. It went from an e-mail asking me to do something to long harrassing e-mails until finally I couldn't take her abuse any more and sent her links to prove I was not the only person around who puts kids names on the site with thei r stories. Every single other site does it.

But, when she wrote to the people who I sent her links to, she didn't ask them in the context that I said it, she worded it to benefit her and screw me. I know, someone forwarded me one of the e-mails that she sent to people. Of course when she sent me copies of their responses she did not include what she wrote to them.

What a waste of time and energy all of this is. I have stayed off Fornits for the most part (as I'm sure you've noticed) because it's a stress I don't need. It is nothing against you. I am upset because I felt you and I were getting to know each other and work well together. You were helping me to learn more about the industry and its history. Positive things were happening.


I will post the email exchanges betweem myself and Isabelle Zehnder which took place in April 2006.

My first correspondence with Zehnder was to request that she post an article on the Whitmore site.  At this time - Zehnder had Whitmore Academy on CAICA's Watchlist.

Zehnder, THEN requested a copy of the Whitmore Academy civil case documents from me; I informed her that my family was not plaintiffs in this case - and I then voiced my opinion about her policy of posting the names of minor children when she posted court documents on CAICA.

Zehnder provided me with a list of advocates she CLAIMED followed CAICA's policy of posting minor children's names. I emailed the adovocates Zehnder provided; and I assure readers - ALL ADVOCATES DO NOT PUBLISH THE NAMES OF MINOR CHILDREN WHEN THEY POST COURT DOCUMENTS - Zehnder is  wrong!

Isabelle Zehnder LIED when she stated that my emails to the advocates were "worded to benefit her and to screw me."

Isabelle Zehnder also LIED when she said my emails to her were any form of harrassment.

Isabelle Zehnder also LIED when she said that I requested that she removed Whitmore Academy from CAICA's WATCHLIST.

I will post the April 2006 email exchcanges between myself and Isabelle Zehnder in the next posting.
Title: Isabelle Zehnder - Joyce Harris emails: April 2006
Post by: Joyce Harris on August 21, 2007, 01:46:27 AM
ORIGINAL EMAIL FROM JOYCE HARRIS; Zehnder's reply
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From: "JOYCE"  

 

Dear Isabelle,

I wanted to give some update information about Whitmore Academy.

Cheryl Sudweeks’s trial date has been set for:  September 18-- September 29, 2006.

Could this be posted on the Whitmore Academy “topic.â€
Title: Harris - Zehnder emails
Post by: Joyce Harris on August 21, 2007, 02:06:58 AM
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From: "JOYCE"  

Isabelle:  There is a civil case pending, but my family is no longer a part of that case.  I believe the civil case will settle, and not go to trial---and once I got “that feelingâ€
Title: Harris -Zehnder emails April 2006
Post by: Joyce Harris on August 21, 2007, 02:13:07 AM
My next email goes on to express my opinions that the children in these court cases usually have no choice about being in these cases -- and their confidentiality should be protected:

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From: JOYCE
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:57 AM
To: 'Isabelle Zehnder'
Subject: RE: Whitmore Academy

Isabelle,

Your email stopped mid sentence.

Yes---all court documents are “public recordâ€
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Che Gookin on August 21, 2007, 03:08:42 AM
Outstanding information Joyce, I'm glad you are taking the time to remind us all not to forget about the "little" people. It does seem odd to me that we have forgotten all about Issabelle in this mess. She has taken the token efforts to distance herself from Sue's sinking ship without making any effort to make good on some of the damages she has inflicted.

Perhaps a IssabelleZehnedertruth.com is long overdue. I'll put some thought on the mechanics of creating such a situation. right now I'm up to my hips in snot covered screaming 7 year olds. meh.. only 3 full more days..
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: psy on August 21, 2007, 05:06:50 AM
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""
Outstanding information Joyce, I'm glad you are taking the time to remind us all not to forget about the "little" people. It does seem odd to me that we have forgotten all about Issabelle in this mess. She has taken the token efforts to distance herself from Sue's sinking ship without making any effort to make good on some of the damages she has inflicted.

Perhaps a IssabelleZehnedertruth.com is long overdue. I'll put some thought on the mechanics of creating such a situation. right now I'm up to my hips in snot covered screaming 7 year olds. meh.. only 3 full more days..


Oh don't worry. (people have been asking a lot about this recently)  Isabelle will be covered on sueschefftruth.com . I've already started writing an article on her but haven't had time to finish it (don't worry, i'm on it)
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Oz girl on August 21, 2007, 05:10:08 AM
flying fuck with a doughnut :rofl:  :rofl:
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: ZenAgent on August 21, 2007, 06:01:41 AM
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From CAICA:

Further, the GAO is currently preparing a report regarding residential treatment facilities that is scheduled to be published Winter 2008.

CAICA is responding to the GAO’s calls. Until we improve data collection and achieve a national database, this website is dedicated to beginning that process  by archiving as much information as we can collect from a variety of sources.


"Responding to their calls"?[/b]

I'll bet you're waiting for the phone to ring, huh?  CAICA draws from a piss-poor "variety of sources".  Does your archive include your Whitmore blogs?  

Izzy, Sue Scheff and the bottom-feeding Sudweeks are the worst elements of the industry.  

I've seen the cleaned-up Whitmore blogs - someone yelled "Incoming", and your fat ass hit the dirt and tried to dig a hole to China.  No retractions or apologies offered, you only hit the delete key.  

You stuck by Cheryl Sudweeks after she copped a plea bargain, and you defended the Whitmore after it keeled-over like one of Mark Sudweeks' neglected horses.  Why did you drop Sue Scheff  so quickly when the Focal Point lawsuit hit?  Are you in a panic, Izzy?  

Quit calling yourself a child advocate, Izzy.  It's insulting to the kids who died in programs, and it's insulting to the survivors and parents.




Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: psy on August 21, 2007, 07:18:22 AM
Zen.  Please check your PMs.
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: webdiva on August 21, 2007, 09:08:58 AM
Quote from: ""psy""
Zen.  Please check your PMs.


He'll probably see the pm notification before he sees this.   :P  :P
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2007, 10:30:04 AM
Zen might want to check a few things out before his PM too:

How come Izzy's Blogger Page refers readers to her Positive Family Solutions website, and not good ole CAICIA any longer, huh?
YET her "coaching site" Positive Family Solutions remains parked?

Izzy is back up to her INVISIBLE INK TRICKS TOO, for those who are a bit computer svuavy and care follow her fat ass around the internet ---even on her front page on CAICA: on bottom of the front page above "Caica is an educational and informatinal website......"  drag your mouse and there shows up "Isabelle Zehner" as  INVISIBLE INK ---tricky Izzy.
Is this how Izzy is keeping herself so lily-white clean on GOOGLE?

And people  say "poor little Izzy's been led astray by Sue Scheff?"
Read those Whitmore Blogs - those blogs are identical; paragraph by paragraph; and my money's o Izzy as the author - not Scheff -  who can barely spell her own name!

Izzy has "unlinked" to Scheff /PURE on CAICA and has "demoted" Scheff from her worthless "Advocate of the Month" with absolute no explanation to the public.

Like the Whitmore Blog - Izzy simply hits the DELETE KEY distancing herself from Sue Scheff/PURE; and thinks that solves anythng?

Isablelle Zehnder has referred parents and children to progams through Sue Schef /PURE and she recommends teen transport companies.

Isabelle Zehnder has written blog after blog promoting herself as Sue Scheff devoted friend and working colleage; describing how these two woman can and will find alternative, safe programs for children.
Scheffl, in turn has linked to CAICA and promotes Positive Family Solutins.

Izzy joins Scheff in her letter writing campaign to Go-DADDY accusing posters of death treaths and gets Fornits kicked off line; and racing about looking for a new server out of the country?  Izzy claims to be "so scared for herself and family that she has to close down CAICA?"

Did Izzy decide to "clean up her act" a lttle bit and distance herself from buddy Sue for awhile to help out her other buddy ALEX over on NYRA?
Guess everyone forgot about the BAN CAFETY issue in all the "Sue Scheff rules Fornits" hurrah.

Izzy can't be cleaned up, IMO
SO-CALLED ADVOCATES who refer children to programs thru Scheff/PURE are dirty.
SO-CALLED ADVOCATES who write disgusting blogs like the Whitmore blogs that promote defunct facilities and praise known criminals while bashing parents and their victim children, are dirty!
SO-CALLED ADVOCATES who write emails like those to Joyce Harris above are dirty!
SO-CALLED ADVOCATES who have been exposed, as she as in the emails posted by MUMMIE and SANDY are dirty.

Anyone who is covering for Isabelle Zehnder; and excusing her connection with Sue Scheff/PURE might need a good bath themself.
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2007, 11:46:41 AM
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:39 am   (PURE/CAICA Bullshit Thread)

Post subject: ISABELLE ZEHNDER DELETES FACILITY WATCH ON CAICA  

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Why would Isabelle Zehnder delete CAICA's "facility watch" and change it to PROGRAM NEWS?

Could it be because of the lawsuit against Sue Scheff and the allegations contained in it against a certain program called FOCAL POINT ACADEMY[/color]?

Whatever the reason, this appears to be another attempt to play hide the ball since there is no mention of Focal Point OR the lawsuit against Sue Scheff and this program in the Caica "Litigation" section either.
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2007, 12:17:33 PM
It seems very obvious to me what is going on with CAICA.

Zehnder got caught with her hand in the referral-cookie-jar.  Doesn't matter if she got paid or not, that's NOT the fucking point.  This was in direct opposition to HER OWN DISCLAIMER.

Since then and in advance to the announcement of the PURE lawsuit, she has been engaged in seemingly reinventing CAICA to appear as not connected in any way, shape or form with PURE and/or Sue Scheff.

Show me the money (proof) that Izzy has kicked her pal SS to the curb and an explanation as to why.

Until then - I ain't buying this apparent dog and pony show and would recommend others at least consider taking their head outta their arses long enough to smell the coffee.

 :roll:
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Che Gookin on August 21, 2007, 12:24:57 PM
The coffee does smell a lot better when your head isn't firmly planted in your own butt.
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2007, 12:33:58 PM
Oldest trick in the book is to CLEAN UP A PROGRAM for inspection by parents and/or the media.

Ya know, throw out the trash, clean the bathrooms, throw some paint on the walls, hide the roach motels, etc.

Trot out some kids who are upper levels and willing to say nothing but postiive things about the program so as not to be dropped to level one - (who can blame them?!)

Yup, yes siree ladies and gentlemen, we are a good program all right.  

This is smoke and mirrors, IMO, and it's backfiring badly because the facts speak for themselves.  

Izzy and SS aren't at war.  This is damage control in action, IMO.
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: ZenAgent on August 21, 2007, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Zen might want to check a few things out before his PM too:

You're definitely right.  The PM was a priority, though.  I'm a good guesser...

Quote from: ""Guest""
Did Izzy decide to "clean up her act" a lttle bit and distance herself from buddy Sue for awhile to help out her other buddy ALEX over on NYRA?
Guess everyone forgot about the BAN CAFETY issue in all the "Sue Scheff rules Fornits" hurrah.


Aunt Bea didn't forget.

 :D
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2007, 02:33:49 PM
Has Izzy hired Reputation Defender, or does Izzy know how to manipulate Google , herself?
The first 10 pages of a google search of  "Isabelle Zehnder" only shows 6 hits of anything negative about this self-proclaimed "advocate."
Only two Fornits posts show up!
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2007, 04:47:26 PM
What's this about an invisible link on CAICA?  

The words "ISABELLE ZEHNDER" shows up on her page, lower bottom, but only if you happen to move your browser over it.

What's that about?
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2007, 06:21:50 PM
Didn't IZZY do something similar to this awhile back?  I seem to remember some hidden (invisible) words discovered on CAICA that were removed in quick order after posted on Fornits.  I don't remember all the key words except for PURE and FORNITS - but they were all posted on the Pure/Caica Bullshit forum.

I think it may have something to do with Google Ads.  

Whatever it was, it appears some folks were not amused by the use of the words and IZZY did delete them which led me to conclude there was something untoward about it all.

Any techies out there who can help us out?
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2007, 07:00:14 PM
A parent's having a logical conversation with Izzy, and then Izzy attacks with accusations of harrassments, pulls her attorneys out of the bag, and jerks Whitmore off her watchlist?
This was April 2006?
Exactly when did Izzy and Sue-Sue team up and start HELPING PARENTS; and start liining one another's pockets?
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 21, 2007, 07:12:45 PM
I'm sure someone else can give you a better answer, but I think the invisible link thing was Izzy trying to cash in on Fornits traffic and/or visibility.  By having Fornits her page, it would show up on a Google search for Fornits.  I think.  Again, someone else can give you a better answer, but I think that's what it was.
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2007, 07:56:50 PM
Anne - I think that's correct when Izzy had "FORNITS" as an invisible link on her webpage, but that was awhile ago.

The current invisible link is ISABELLE ZEHNDER (her own name) found on the front page of CAICA.

Just weird how this self-proclaimed child advocate operates.  

Claims to have a Board of Directors but their identity has never been disclosed.

Claims to have an "Editorial Board" but here again, their identity has never been disclosed.

That's just two examples of CAICA's lack of transparency.  There are others which have been pointed out on Fornits and elsewhere.

Speaking of Fornits, personally, I get a real kick out of watching Izzy change her website and disclaimer to reflect the opinion of Fornits posters.

 :wave: IZZY  







Tells m
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: psy on August 22, 2007, 12:58:04 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Has Izzy hired Reputation Defender, or does Izzy know how to manipulate Google , herself?
The first 10 pages of a google search of  "Isabelle Zehnder" only shows 6 hits of anything negative about this self-proclaimed "advocate."
Only two Fornits posts show up!

Let me explain why:

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Hi Mike,


It is an email to me personally from wpromote.com.  I paid to have sponsored links through wpromote.com above Fornits, Sue Scheff, Carey Bock, and WWASP. The links were there for a day or two but, then, all disappeared. The wpromote was just a link to the blog on Green vs. Sue Scheff ([redacted]).


I'm also trying to get my webmaster to update and edit some errors on my web site, but he's very busy, so I don't know how long it will take.  It's Front Page and he moved and cannot easily locate the discs, as I want to load them on my computer. Kind of frustrating.


[redacted]

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From: Michael Crawford psyborgue@mac.com

> What company sent you this information? This is very interesting.
>
> [redacted] wrote:
> > Please respond to [redacted] as I check it more often.
> > FYI, this information is from a company to me:
> > "Google has basically given certain keywords poor quality scores which
> > makes them very expensive to bid on. This can happen for several
> > reasons. I am going to try a few more tweaks to see if this will make
> > any significant changes over the weekend.
> > The keywords that are currently active are:
> > Fornits.com
> > Troubled teens
> > Carey bock katrina
> > PURE
> > Sue scheff fraud case"
> > Obviously, SS did this and she has no right to ban the word "fornits"
> > or certainly "carey bock" or "toubled teens." But, I'm told that
> > enriching content with the above words will get them higher on the
> > search engines.
> > Also, you have my permission to use any of my blog sites or main site
> > of [redacted] (I cannot yet update the main site because I
> > have to rely on another person). You have my permission to cut and
> > paste with the only request that you place my name on them with web
> > site (i.e., written by: [redacted] at [redacted]). A few
> > on my web have my name at the bottom only. If you go to one blog
> > spot, it will lead you to five or six others.
> > [redacted]
> >
> >
>
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 03:18:15 PM
Why did Izzy lie? Seems simple. Izzy's friend Sue wanted Whitore off that CAICA website!
Title: Isabelle Zehnder Lied About Joyce Harris - WHY?
Post by: psy on August 22, 2007, 05:08:58 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Why did Izzy lie? Seems simple. Izzy's friend Sue wanted Whitore off that CAICA website!

Her reasons for doing that will be explained soon, when I write Part II of the Izzy blog on suescheffftruth.com.

For now, here is a short explanation:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22402 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22402)

It's bullshit. She was scared of what I wouldn't tell her about what Sue was involved in (specifically, her connections to WWASP).  Well.  I basically dangled a piece of information that was already made public a while back to get her to cut her ties with Sue.  Why?  Many reasons.  I'll explain tomorrow.
Title: Izzy reveals confidential information
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 06:11:13 PM
Listen to Izzy yak yak yakking to Sandy - revealing CONFIDENTIAL information about plaintiffs in the Turley lawsuit !
Letting Sandy know this boy's family situations isn't "good."

Izzy CLAIMS she found the Turley Law Firm, with this mother's assistance.
Guess Izzy forgot about her blog, "Isabelle Zehnder (CAICA) 2008-7 Acomplishments" in which she states:
"Isabelle Zehnder (CAICA), Sue Scheff (PURE) and this young man's mother worked together to locate the Turley Law Firm in Texas."

Izzy also goes on to CLAIM she provided the Turley firm with additional plaintiffs when "abused" kids and "defrauded" parents would contact her.

Izzy CLAIMS she mentors this boy on a daily basis, too.

IF any of Izzy's claims are true - The Turley law firm and all the plantiffs in this case may want to tell this woman to STFU.

Hi Sandy,

I'm actually the one who found the Turley Law Firm. Last June I got a call from a boy named ____.
He was quite persistent and didn't give up trying to reach me. I ended up taking 16 hours of his
testimony one week and made the decision that this was the one. I was so tired of hearing these
stories day in and day out. I had tried for three years to locate a law firm that would take the
case (not his, but WWASPS in general.) It's not easy because once a firm realizes what they're up
against they bail. I got the Turley Law Firm's name from this boy's mom. She said she saw Turley on a
commercial, I think she said. Or and ad, I don't remember. Anyway, she lived down the street
from his building and urged me to call him. He and another lawyer there asked me to put an
information packet together for them, which I did, and to summarize ____'s testimony since we only had a
few weeks before his statute ran. I got everything to them and two days before his birthday they
agreed to take the
case! To this day I mentor this boy (not a good family situation) - every day. He's become like a
3rd son and his girlfriend calls me all the time too. Anyway, I told Turley that if we could get
his case going I knew I could get him more plaintiffs. And I did. They amended the complaint in
late October, adding another 23 plaintiffs. Then by the end of December they had 82, and now they are
about to add another 40 some plaintiffs!!! Every call I get from a kid who's been abused or
parents who were defrauded I direct to the Turley Firm. Here's a link to one of my press releases re
this case, and a link to the litigation page of my website:

Litigation page: http://caica.org/Index-Lawsuits.htm (http://caica.org/Index-Lawsuits.htm)