Post by: TheWho on August 19, 2007, 08:27:59 PM
Quote from: ""psy""
Quote from: ""FunkyChild""this is all fine and dandy, it's okay that y'all are pissed, i'm not saying that daryl is the best guy to grace the earth, but if you're mad at him, criticize his actions and not his skin color. how hard is that?
I don't disagree, however, I didn't create the content. Somebody came to me saying "hey.. this parody site on hla I made got a request to be taken down... do you have room on your server"... I checked it over with the relavant people who said "sure" and it's now hosted with us. I haven't even had time to review the whole site.
look. The ACLU defended neo-nazis rights to free speech.. it doesn't mean they approve. The person who made the HLA site is now doing another one for Aspen. He realized he went a bit overboard with the HLA thing (his words, not mine) and has decided to make the other less of a "shock-site" as HLA.info was intended to be.
I know the guy personally and know that he is not racist. He meant it as over the top satire and if it came out as racism..
Look.. there is a certain internet subculture that finds entertainment in over that type of over the top humor... Often people who aren't familiar with that subculture are offended because they mis-interpret what was intended to be funny..
See an article on jews written by jews here:
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Jew (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Jew)
Or an article (http://http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Sheneequa) written on blacks by the one of the Sysops on the site (sheneequa) (http://http://encyclopediadramatica.com/ED:Constitution#Articlol_6.)
It's a different culture, and completely different humor (geeky, with subtle subtext).
You defend the racism and anti-Semitism shit sites and speech, but you don’t seem to care if someone like thewho gets booted for flooding because you don’t agree with his position. I know the guy and he isn’t the ass hole everyone thinks, although he is one most of the times. We don’t get along on most issues but he stands behind what he believes and is outspoken. According to him he was banned without any warning and doesn’t believe he was flooding. His posts were deleted and altered, by moderators (which we all now know to be true). Even though it was stated previously that they didn’t have the capability or authority without leaving an edit trail.
Thewho replied to the ban via email and never got a response or a reason for being banned. It is obvious, to the regulars, why he cannot post here anymore and no one is fighting the “freedom of speechâ€
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2007, 08:51:24 PM
look at it this way...
you got a group of people discussing. they are vulgar, offensive, and piss each other off but their speech is unrestricted. they get stuff done. they discuss. then all of a sudden, a guy come along, with absolutely no knowledge of the subject discussed, and starts argueing and objecting to every little thing anyone tries to say, regardless of how ludicrious and baseless his argument is. inbetween he shouts statements which have absolutely nothing to do with the topic on hand. and to top it off, he starts acusing the group he joined and tried to destroy; of being unfair?.
listen, the who has no concept of free speech or how to hold a fair debate, therefore he doesnt belong in a group which upholds these ideas. the who is lucky for being banned. this guy would get stabbed to death in a place like ancient athens, woodstock, or some other place where no one would ever get flak for speaking out. as some guy in some movie put it: [the who] "your moral compass is so fucked up i'd be surprised if you made your way to the parking lot".
Post by: psy on August 19, 2007, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""psy""Quote from: ""FunkyChild""this is all fine and dandy, it's okay that y'all are pissed, i'm not saying that daryl is the best guy to grace the earth, but if you're mad at him, criticize his actions and not his skin color. how hard is that?
I don't disagree, however, I didn't create the content. Somebody came to me saying "hey.. this parody site on hla I made got a request to be taken down... do you have room on your server"... I checked it over with the relavant people who said "sure" and it's now hosted with us. I haven't even had time to review the whole site.
look. The ACLU defended neo-nazis rights to free speech.. it doesn't mean they approve. The person who made the HLA site is now doing another one for Aspen. He realized he went a bit overboard with the HLA thing (his words, not mine) and has decided to make the other less of a "shock-site" as HLA.info was intended to be.
I know the guy personally and know that he is not racist. He meant it as over the top satire and if it came out as racism..
Look.. there is a certain internet subculture that finds entertainment in over that type of over the top humor... Often people who aren't familiar with that subculture are offended because they mis-interpret what was intended to be funny..
See an article on jews written by jews here:
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Jew (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Jew)
Or an article (http://http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Sheneequa) written on blacks by the one of the Sysops on the site (sheneequa) (http://http://encyclopediadramatica.com/ED:Constitution#Articlol_6.)
It's a different culture, and completely different humor (geeky, with subtle subtext).
You defend the racism and anti-Semitism shit sites and speech, but you don’t seem to care if someone like thewho gets booted for flooding because you don’t agree with his position. I know the guy and he isn’t the ass hole everyone thinks, although he is one most of the times. We don’t get along on most issues but he stands behind what he believes and is outspoken. According to him he was banned without any warning and doesn’t believe he was flooding. His posts were deleted and altered, by moderators (which we all now know to be true). Even though it was stated previously that they didn’t have the capability or authority without leaving an edit trail.
Thewho replied to the ban via email and never got a response or a reason for being banned. It is obvious, to the regulars, why he cannot post here anymore and no one is fighting the “freedom of speechâ€
Post by: TheWho on August 19, 2007, 09:21:16 PM
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and to top it off, he starts acusing the group he joined and tried to destroy; of being unfair?.
Wouldn’t you be pissed if what you wrote was being altered and then they accused you of being drunk? Said the moderators didn’t have the capability of altering posts without an edit trail and said “End of discussionâ€
Post by: psy on August 19, 2007, 09:31:02 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quoteand to top it off, he starts acusing the group he joined and tried to destroy; of being unfair?.
Wouldn’t you be pissed if what you wrote was being altered and then they accused you of being drunk? Said the moderators didn’t have the capability of altering posts without an edit trail and said “End of discussionâ€
Post by: TheWho on August 19, 2007, 09:36:19 PM
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Nobody modified his posts at all (although he was fond of claiming people did). If the situation was as you are describing it, i would be very upset with ginger, but the fact of the matter is that the guy WAS flooding the forum, He was posting as WAY more than his own username and posting the same posts over and over and over and over. It wasn't just in TheWho thread, and he targeted certain forums and threads more than others. He had clear motive. His sole purpose was to disrupt the forum. He was NOT banned for what he said or his opinions, but for spamming.
If you do really "know" the who, you would be a fool to listen to him... but that's your choice.
Yes, I do know thewho (unfortunately, I feel, sometimes, fuck who gives a shit if I know him or not) and his posts were modified and deleted. This is not a guess or in need of a character reference, why do you doubt this? Ask the guy TSW if moderators can alter posts. We were all told they fucking cannot do this(or couldn’t before the move anyway) Ask Ginger if he was flooding and if thewho was warned, by email or pm by anyone and told to “cut the shitâ€
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2007, 09:51:57 PM
If the moderators can do this cant they add or delete text also? I am not really good at this stuff but I think he has apoint I dont think an admin would be sitting around waiting for thewho to post and then adding the signature to his post. I think they wanted him out. You are not getting the whole truth psy.
::hatter::
Post by: psy on August 19, 2007, 10:08:12 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
QuoteNobody modified his posts at all (although he was fond of claiming people did). If the situation was as you are describing it, i would be very upset with ginger, but the fact of the matter is that the guy WAS flooding the forum, He was posting as WAY more than his own username and posting the same posts over and over and over and over. It wasn't just in TheWho thread, and he targeted certain forums and threads more than others. He had clear motive. His sole purpose was to disrupt the forum. He was NOT banned for what he said or his opinions, but for spamming.
If you do really "know" the who, you would be a fool to listen to him... but that's your choice.
Yes, I do know thewho (unfortunately, I feel, sometimes, fuck who gives a shit if I know him or not) and his posts were modified and deleted. This is not a guess or in need of a character reference, why do you doubt this? Ask the guy TSW if moderators can alter posts.
They could then, and they could now, however if a moderator does alter a post, it is LABELED as such. Also. If any and all moderator actions are LOGGED and those logs are available to all the admins.
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We were all told they fucking cannot do this(or couldn’t before the move anyway) Ask Ginger if he was flooding and if thewho was warned, by email or pm by anyone and told to “cut the shitâ€
Post by: TheWho on August 19, 2007, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I think thewho had a screw loose but I did notice when I followed his posts, think was him, that the moderator was putting a guy with a hat at the end of his posts. I think it was a red and white hat.
If the moderators can do this cant they add or delete text also? I am not really good at this stuff but I think he has apoint I dont think an admin would be sitting around waiting for thewho to post and then adding the signature to his post. I think they wanted him out. You are not getting the whole truth psy.
Thank You guest, I thought others must have seen it too. I am sure I will be banned too for trying to hurt the moderators also or the integrety of the forum and thats fine, I dont give a fuck, if thats how it waorks here, (If you want me to get a sign in name I will but dont fucking ban me because you think I am against this web site because I am not, someone took it up the ass because he wasnt popular and everyone is standing on their chairs cheering for free speech) but the question stands why tolerate a guy for 3 years and then ban him outright becuase he got into a flame war. Has anyone asked TSW (a moderator who I respect because he says what he fucking believes, even if it hurts him and makes him look like a dick sometimes, although I like his avatars) if he had the power to alter or delete posts, I know he does. Who is lying here, you are mis informed psy.
::hatter::
Post by: psy on August 19, 2007, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I think thewho had a screw loose but I did notice when I followed his posts, think was him, that the moderator was putting a guy with a hat at the end of his posts.
That's possible. That can be accomplished by editing the signature in the Profil. That wouldn't out his guest postings, though.
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I think it was a red and white hat. If the moderators can do this cant they add or delete text also?
Editing the post will ALWAYS leave a stamp (edited by so and so on whatever date etc...) There are no exceptions.
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I am not really good at this stuff but I think he has apoint I dont think an admin would be sitting around waiting for thewho to post and then adding the signature to his post.
If any of his guest postings were edited they would be stamped as edited. Ask anybody who uses phpbb for a bulletin board. Also, Guest postings don't have signatures.
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I think they wanted him out. You are not getting the whole truth psy.
Talk to Ginger. She is VERY adamant about free speech regardless of what people say. Had being an insensitive asshole been his only crime he would not have been banned.
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2007, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: ""Guest""Editing the post will ALWAYS leave a stamp (edited by so and so on whatever date etc...) There are no exceptions.
Sorry, but this is not true.
Post by: psy on August 19, 2007, 10:20:10 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""I think thewho had a screw loose but I did notice when I followed his posts, think was him, that the moderator was putting a guy with a hat at the end of his posts. I think it was a red and white hat.
If the moderators can do this cant they add or delete text also? I am not really good at this stuff but I think he has apoint I dont think an admin would be sitting around waiting for thewho to post and then adding the signature to his post. I think they wanted him out. You are not getting the whole truth psy.
Thank You guest, I thought others must have seen it too. I am sure I will be banned too for trying to hurt the moderators also or the integrety of the forum and thats fine,
You're paranoid. Ask ginger what was happening if you really want to know.
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I dont give a fuck, if thats how it waorks here, (If you want me to get a sign in name I will but dont fucking ban me because you think I am against this web site because I am not, someone took it up the ass because he wasnt popular and everyone is standing on their chairs cheering for free speech) but the question stands why tolerate a guy for 3 years and then ban him outright becuase he got into a flame war.
He was not banned for that reason. He was banned for flooding the forum.
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Has anyone asked TSW (a moderator who I respect because he says what he fucking believes, even if it hurts him and makes him look like a dick sometimes, although I like his avatars) if he had the power to alter or delete posts, I know he does. Who is lying here, you are mis informed psy.
First off, TSW was a moderator only of the Facilities Questions forum. There are no moderators to the TTI forum. Only admins can edit the posts in that forum and if that happens, the posts are always labeled as edited. It's the way the software works. Nobody edited his posts but himself...
Post by: psy on August 19, 2007, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: ""psy""Quote from: ""Guest""Editing the post will ALWAYS leave a stamp (edited by so and so on whatever date etc...) There are no exceptions.Sorry, but this is not true.
You're right. If a post is edited before it is responded to, there is no edit tag. Otherwise there is. I can test it out right now...
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2007, 10:22:51 PM
testing editing
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2007, 10:22:52 PM
Moderator edits never leave a stamp.
Post by: TheWho on August 19, 2007, 10:24:20 PM
Someone hijacked thewhos name by putting a period after it and replicatring the same avatar and signature and shit. Then they were writng shit about him. He in turn did the samething to someone else in retaliation to fight back.
Why doesn’t someone resolve this with thewho? Why cut the cord after 3 years with no chance to defend himself.
::hatter::
Post by: Che Gookin on August 19, 2007, 10:25:27 PM
Post by: psy on August 19, 2007, 10:25:59 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Psy, I have more specifics if you like:
Someone hijacked thewhos name by putting a period after it and replicatring the same avatar and signature and shit. Then they were writng shit about him. He in turn did the samething to someone else in retaliation to fight back.
Why doesn’t someone resolve this with thewho? Why cut the cord after 3 years with no chance to defend himself.
Look. Contact ginger and she can let you know the details of why he was banned. I'm not at liberty to divulge exactly what went on, but I can say that i've verified what ginger was saying.
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 19, 2007, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Psy, I have more specifics if you like:
Someone hijacked thewhos name by putting a period after it and replicatring the same avatar and signature and shit. Then they were writng shit about him. He in turn did the samething to someone else in retaliation to fight back.
Why doesn’t someone resolve this with thewho? Why cut the cord after 3 years with no chance to defend himself.
Welcome to Fornits. That's happened to most of us at least once.
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 19, 2007, 10:41:39 PM
People realized Who was back and began to write parodies of his posts. Pretty much quoting them and changing a few words. Then they would post them (anonymously) and add the little guy at the end as if it was Who. The real Who posts (sometimes he'd add the little man, sometimes he wouldn't) were tagged by Deb. By tagged I mean she put the little guy on the real Who's posts because he would cause so much disruption by posing as so many different people and posting the same thing over and over. I do not believe for a minute that Deb or Ginger altered any posts. I think Who either really believes that because somebody parodied him, or he's just a big fat liar.
Possibility.
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 19, 2007, 10:42:28 PM
just my opinion
Post by: Deborah on August 19, 2007, 10:55:59 PM
Guest
Posted: 20 Aug 2007 02:52 Post subject:
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Guest wrote:
A stamp is only left when the post isn't the latest post on the thread and is edited by the person who posted it.
Moderator edits never leave a stamp.
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psy wrote:
It appears you are right. It does on ubb but not phpbb. well. I eat foot.
That being said, even if it were techincally possible, if an admin did do such a thing he/she would be in deep shit with Ginger.
Thank you for being honest, psy, fuck thats why I like fornits, why cant there be more people like you and TSW. It did happen (many times). The last thing anyone wants is to get Deb in deep shit with Ginger or anyone else, bottom line it was done. Maybe Deb was frustrated with thewhos comments and assumptions. I dont give a shit about what was altered, he probably deserved it for what he said. the who might be a shit (and many other things) but he isnt a liar, I assure you, and i am sure you feel the same way about deborah (well not the shit part). She is a major asset to fornits and a bottomless well of information that never stops pumping (I love that word). She contributes more than she is asked to do, although her spin can be tough at times.
I read allot here and dont write often because I enjoyed watching thewho, I think he got a raw deal, from a free speech angle and thought I would take a chance and start posting for him or in his place. I know I probably suck at it, but fuck it.
Fornits does rock!!!!
::hatter::
Post by: Che Gookin on August 19, 2007, 11:04:18 PM
I think this is the first time I've seen you use the F word.
Post by: TheWho on August 19, 2007, 11:10:28 PM
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""
That was quite possibly one of the more interesting posts you've made deborah.
I think this is the first time I've seen you use the F word.
She can get wild sometimes!! I think when she wakes up tomorrow and realizes she cut and pasted my post over to this new thread under her name she will say "Holey shit"!! I just baked myself. I forgot to use and edit stamp!! Dam.
::hatter::
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 19, 2007, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
She can get wild sometimes!! I think when she wakes up tomorrow and realizes she cut and pasted my post over to this new thread under her name she will say "Holey shit"!! I just baked myself. I forgot to use and edit stamp!! Dam.
:rofl: Wow, for a minute there I thought Deb was smoking some of what I am.
Post by: TheWho on August 19, 2007, 11:26:02 PM
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
A possibility.
People realized Who was back and began to write parodies of his posts. Pretty much quoting them and changing a few words. Then they would post them (anonymously) and add the little guy at the end as if it was Who. The real Who posts (sometimes he'd add the little man, sometimes he wouldn't) were tagged by Deb. By tagged I mean she put the little guy on the real Who's posts because he would cause so much disruption by posing as so many different people and posting the same thing over and over. I do not believe for a minute that Deb or Ginger altered any posts. I think Who either really believes that because somebody parodied him, or he's just a big fat liar.
Possibility.
Thats what I am saying!! The mods can alter posts, whether it is adding a little man to the end of a post or altering the words. Non of these changes left and edit trail.
Thewho exposed this months ago and he was told it was impossible because the mods didnt have this authotity and everyone believed the answer and everyone said thewho was just trying to coverup posts he was ashamed of or some shit. Now we know he was telling the truth, that is all. Why fucking ban him or contunue to ban him now that we know his posts where altered and deleted.
What the fuck is going on? You just bail, psy? and say oh I cant say, I am convinced? I think you realized everyone fucked up and you banned him because he is a pain in he ass and a dick head, which i agree with, but the result/decision doesnt align itself with free speech unless each of us has a different definition.
::hatter::
Post by: Deborah on August 19, 2007, 11:32:27 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""That was quite possibly one of the more interesting posts you've made deborah.
I think this is the first time I've seen you use the F word.
She can get wild sometimes!! I think when she wakes up tomorrow and realizes she cut and pasted my post over to this new thread under her name she will say "Holey shit"!! I just baked myself. I forgot to use and edit stamp!! Dam.
Do ya ever dream of a world free of ignorant, narcissistic, psychopaths?
Wouldn't it be nice........
Post by: TheWho on August 19, 2007, 11:37:47 PM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""That was quite possibly one of the more interesting posts you've made deborah.
I think this is the first time I've seen you use the F word.
She can get wild sometimes!! I think when she wakes up tomorrow and realizes she cut and pasted my post over to this new thread under her name she will say "Holey shit"!! I just baked myself. I forgot to use and edit stamp!! Dam.
Do ya ever dream of a world free of ignorant, narcissistic, psychopaths?
Wouldn't it be nice........
I would take a world filled with ignorant, narcissistic, psychopaths over one which edited the words of others to suit their own definition of free speech any day of the week.
::hatter::
Post by: psy on August 19, 2007, 11:54:58 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""A possibility.
People realized Who was back and began to write parodies of his posts. Pretty much quoting them and changing a few words. Then they would post them (anonymously) and add the little guy at the end as if it was Who. The real Who posts (sometimes he'd add the little man, sometimes he wouldn't) were tagged by Deb. By tagged I mean she put the little guy on the real Who's posts because he would cause so much disruption by posing as so many different people and posting the same thing over and over. I do not believe for a minute that Deb or Ginger altered any posts. I think Who either really believes that because somebody parodied him, or he's just a big fat liar.
Possibility.
Thats what I am saying!! The mods can alter posts, whether it is adding a little man to the end of a post or altering the words. Non of these changes left and edit trail.
Thewho exposed this months ago and he was told it was impossible because the mods didnt have this authotity and everyone believed the answer and everyone said thewho was just trying to coverup posts he was ashamed of or some shit. Now we know he was telling the truth, that is all. Why fucking ban him or contunue to ban him now that we know his posts where altered and deleted.
What the fuck is going on? You just bail, psy? and say oh I cant say, I am convinced? I think you realized everyone fucked up and you banned him because he is a pain in he ass and a dick head, which i agree with, but the result/decision doesnt align itself with free speech unless each of us has a different definition.
No. You can believe whatever you like. Mods don't have access to the TTI forum. The only people who could mod that at the time were ginger, kelly, and Deb (i think).
The Who wasn't telling the truth. You can go on until you are blue in the face about this, you won't get banned.
Even if it comes down to her word against Deb's, I'll trust Deb. I KNOW for a fact TheWho has lied about his postings. The same can't be said about Deborah.
Post by: TheWho on August 20, 2007, 12:13:50 AM
Quote from: ""psy""
Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""A possibility.
People realized Who was back and began to write parodies of his posts. Pretty much quoting them and changing a few words. Then they would post them (anonymously) and add the little guy at the end as if it was Who. The real Who posts (sometimes he'd add the little man, sometimes he wouldn't) were tagged by Deb. By tagged I mean she put the little guy on the real Who's posts because he would cause so much disruption by posing as so many different people and posting the same thing over and over. I do not believe for a minute that Deb or Ginger altered any posts. I think Who either really believes that because somebody parodied him, or he's just a big fat liar.
Possibility.
Thats what I am saying!! The mods can alter posts, whether it is adding a little man to the end of a post or altering the words. Non of these changes left and edit trail.
Thewho exposed this months ago and he was told it was impossible because the mods didnt have this authotity and everyone believed the answer and everyone said thewho was just trying to coverup posts he was ashamed of or some shit. Now we know he was telling the truth, that is all. Why fucking ban him or contunue to ban him now that we know his posts where altered and deleted.
What the fuck is going on? You just bail, psy? and say oh I cant say, I am convinced? I think you realized everyone fucked up and you banned him because he is a pain in he ass and a dick head, which i agree with, but the result/decision doesnt align itself with free speech unless each of us has a different definition.
No. You can believe whatever you like. Mods don't have access to the TTI forum. The only people who could mod that at the time were ginger, kelly, and Deb (i think).
The Who wasn't telling the truth. You can go on until you are blue in the face about this, you won't get banned.
Even if it comes down to her word against Deb's, I'll trust Deb. I KNOW for a fact TheWho has lied about his postings. The same can't be said about Deborah.
Its not belief,psy, its fact. The who was here for 3 years and got booted for what he did in a few minutes. Could this happen to TSW or yourself or would you have warning or a few days to cool off (max). The who is still banned because he is different and free speech rules apply differently, lets face it. Deb had authotity by your own admission (she is a mod, right?). Thewho knew that months ago when his posts were altered and asked for it to stop (he didn’t ask for anyone to be punished) just for it to cease, he pm’d Deborah one time and asked for it to stop, the response was “Fuck offâ€
Post by: TheWho on August 20, 2007, 12:33:44 AM
I think if you did look into it (unbiased) you will see I am right. If not maybe my information will change things for the better when the next guy comes along who disagrees with the majority and his posts are left for all to read and judge for themselves. I am not trying to bash fornits, but it isnt good to have this happen to posters, whether it is adding a man ina hat or altering posts. The readers have a right to know all views are represented without alteration.
Just rethink what i have said and compare how thewho was treated vs. someone who was against programs and waving a different flag. He might have gotten some time off but not silenced for good without a warning or day in court.
::hatter::
Post by: psy on August 20, 2007, 12:47:00 AM
He was NOT banned for what he did in a few minutes, either. I don't know who you are getting your information from.
As for labeling a FEW of his MANY posts with a cat in the hat, I agree with you that it was wrong. He should have just been banned and left it at that.
Hey. I don't like the idea of keeping all this secret either, but Ginger has a strict policy of not outing posts. If the Who waives that, in the interest of showing that he was not flooding the forum, fine, but he won't do it. Figure out for yourself why.
Post by: Che Gookin on August 20, 2007, 01:06:46 AM
Post by: TheWho on August 20, 2007, 01:06:50 AM
Quote from: ""psy""
Well. If you can get permisssion from the who to make ALL his postings available to the public, then we might be able to work something out. If TheWho truly wants the truth to be known, fine by me.
He was NOT banned for what he did in a few minutes, either. I don't know who you are getting your information from.
As for labeling a FEW of his MANY posts with a cat in the hat, I agree with you that it was wrong. He should have just been banned and left it at that.
Hey. I don't like the idea of keeping all this secret either, but Ginger has a strict policy of not outing posts. If the Who waives that, in the interest of showing that he was not flooding the forum, fine, but he won't do it. Figure out for yourself why.
I am sure thewho would not object to his posts being made public. I will ask him and check in tomorrow.
I think this will take the focus off his posts being altered and deleted and place his anon posts, if he had then, under a microscope. But I believe he has nothing to hide if he is the same person on-line as he is off, he wont object.
::hatter::
Post by: Che Gookin on August 20, 2007, 01:07:45 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""psy""Well. If you can get permisssion from the who to make ALL his postings available to the public, then we might be able to work something out. If TheWho truly wants the truth to be known, fine by me.
He was NOT banned for what he did in a few minutes, either. I don't know who you are getting your information from.
As for labeling a FEW of his MANY posts with a cat in the hat, I agree with you that it was wrong. He should have just been banned and left it at that.
Hey. I don't like the idea of keeping all this secret either, but Ginger has a strict policy of not outing posts. If the Who waives that, in the interest of showing that he was not flooding the forum, fine, but he won't do it. Figure out for yourself why.
I am sure thewho would not object to his posts being made public. I will ask him and check in tomorrow.
I think this will take the focus off his posts being altered and deleted and place his anon posts, if he had then, under a microscope. But I believe he has nothing to hide if he is the same person on-line as he is off, he wont object.
This ought to be hilarious.
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 20, 2007, 09:49:08 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""A possibility.
People realized Who was back and began to write parodies of his posts. Pretty much quoting them and changing a few words. Then they would post them (anonymously) and add the little guy at the end as if it was Who. The real Who posts (sometimes he'd add the little man, sometimes he wouldn't) were tagged by Deb. By tagged I mean she put the little guy on the real Who's posts because he would cause so much disruption by posing as so many different people and posting the same thing over and over. I do not believe for a minute that Deb or Ginger altered any posts. I think Who either really believes that because somebody parodied him, or he's just a big fat liar.
Possibility.
Thats what I am saying!! The mods can alter posts, whether it is adding a little man to the end of a post or altering the words. Non of these changes left and edit trail.
Thewho exposed this months ago and he was told it was impossible because the mods didnt have this authotity and everyone believed the answer and everyone said thewho was just trying to coverup posts he was ashamed of or some shit. Now we know he was telling the truth, that is all. Why fucking ban him or contunue to ban him now that we know his posts where altered and deleted.
What the fuck is going on? You just bail, psy? and say oh I cant say, I am convinced? I think you realized everyone fucked up and you banned him because he is a pain in he ass and a dick head, which i agree with, but the result/decision doesnt align itself with free speech unless each of us has a different definition.
No, what I said was that Deb added the little guy and that was it because Who was flooding the forum by posing as other people and posting the same thing over and over as those different people. He was caught red handed. Deb has never altered posts. She has only added that little guy to identify his posts as his. Someone else just copied his posts, altered them, posted it as anon and put the little guy on to make it appear that Who wrote it. Those posts were a very satirical impersonation of Who. Funny part it, it really did get confusing to tell the difference. (What do you wanna bet he doesn't get why it's funny).
Post by: TheWho on August 20, 2007, 10:22:37 AM
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No, what I said was that Deb added the little guy and that was it
Anne, That is the point! when asked several months ago we were all told that the mods did not have this capability without leaving an edit trail. Now we know that they do have the capability of altering posts without leaving a trail that the post was changed.
We all know that people can repost and change other peoples words etc. and have fun with that if they like, but when push comes to shove the truth could be found by tracing the post back to the original. We now know that even the original posts can be altered without leavinga trace so tracing a post back to the original is not dependable anymore.
Whether the posts ore the original ones or have been tampered with we will never know because there is no way to qualify this aymore.
::hatter::
Post by: Che Gookin on August 20, 2007, 10:46:01 AM
Post by: TheWho on August 20, 2007, 10:50:45 AM
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""
yeah true that you better get on your tin foil hat. Considering that it is the who's postings that may or may not have been altered my give a shit o' meter just went past zero.
Yes, me too, I dont give a rats ass myself. But from a readers point of view if it is happening to thewho, because of his position, we all know it will happen again to the next guy that comes onto fornits and disagrees with everyone or is happening tody and we dont know it. It seems the only way to insure yourvoice gets heard is to agree with the majority.
::hatter::
Post by: Troll Control on August 20, 2007, 11:06:40 AM
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""
Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""psy""Well. If you can get permisssion from the who to make ALL his postings available to the public, then we might be able to work something out. If TheWho truly wants the truth to be known, fine by me.
He was NOT banned for what he did in a few minutes, either. I don't know who you are getting your information from.
As for labeling a FEW of his MANY posts with a cat in the hat, I agree with you that it was wrong. He should have just been banned and left it at that.
Hey. I don't like the idea of keeping all this secret either, but Ginger has a strict policy of not outing posts. If the Who waives that, in the interest of showing that he was not flooding the forum, fine, but he won't do it. Figure out for yourself why.
I am sure thewho would not object to his posts being made public. I will ask him and check in tomorrow.
I think this will take the focus off his posts being altered and deleted and place his anon posts, if he had then, under a microscope. But I believe he has nothing to hide if he is the same person on-line as he is off, he wont object.
This ought to be hilarious.
I agree. I have seen the true nature of TheWho - all the deception, lies, posing as children, parents, program staff, unconcerned observers, etc. It will be very revealing and educational to see this content under proper ownership.
As soon as TheWho agrees to link ALL of his content, he should be given access.
I can see the future though: "Yes, I gave you permission to link all of my posts, but most of these are not mine and the others have been altered!"
Also, let's not be confused about the "cat in the hat" guy - go back and read the threads and TheWho specifically asked Deb to add the little guy at the end of his posts, as he "forgets sometimes." Let's not bitch about TheWho's own requests for altering his posts.
Post by: Froderik on August 20, 2007, 11:09:43 AM
Post by: Deborah on August 20, 2007, 11:20:57 AM
Quote from: ""Dysfunction Junction""
As soon as TheWho agrees to link ALL of his content, he should be given access.
Before this banter gets out of hand, did someone say that Who was going to be reinstated? I haven't heard this. Who will be making that decision?
Post by: Troll Control on August 20, 2007, 11:30:39 AM
Post by: TheWho on August 20, 2007, 11:32:02 AM
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TheWho specifically asked Deb to add the little guy at the end of his posts,
Now, why do you think, Dysfunction Junction, he requested this. First of all if you find a flaw in the system you expose it and document it and then correct it. Thewho asked the moderator to alter his post and the moderator in turn altered the post which proved 2 things:
1) That posts can be altered without a trail
2) The person altering the posts.
Waalaa
::hatter::
Post by: Froderik on August 20, 2007, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
1) That posts can be altered without a trail
2) The person altering the posts.
Waalaa
So?
Post by: Troll Control on August 20, 2007, 11:46:49 AM
What do you care anyway? You just post anon in support of yourself. We get it - YOU think YOU are a great guy and a victim of the system. Thanks for YOUR opinion.
Post by: TheWho on August 20, 2007, 12:21:22 PM
Quote from: ""psy""
Well. If you can get permisssion from the who to make ALL his postings available to the public, then we might be able to work something out. If TheWho truly wants the truth to be known, fine by me.
He was NOT banned for what he did in a few minutes, either. I don't know who you are getting your information from.
As for labeling a FEW of his MANY posts with a cat in the hat, I agree with you that it was wrong. He should have just been banned and left it at that.
Hey. I don't like the idea of keeping all this secret either, but Ginger has a strict policy of not outing posts. If the Who waives that, in the interest of showing that he was not flooding the forum, fine, but he won't do it. Figure out for yourself why.
The who said he was responding to someone who had taken on his name and another who was continuously posting posts like the following (He doesn’t claim the moderator altered these posts):
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Ha, Ha, Ha............. Sometimes this is too funny! You people will say anything to get attention or to manipulate... Ha, Ha, Ha... Well, you know, sometimes a kid getting anally gang-raped is the best way to deal with immaturity! You have to grow up some time.......Ha, Ha, Ha
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Wow, I really got those guys stirred up today! Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to respond, but these kids claiming to have been "victimized" or "abused" are really just exagerating things to manipulate parents into not seeking help. 99% of that stuff never even happened (lies) and the other 1% is overblown (manipulation). One thing I will admit though is that when I was visiting my daughter at ASR there were some "troubled girls" there who were coming on to me (I guess in an attempt to try to get me to take them out of there -manipulation- which I would never do). Looking back, some of them were pretty hot and if they liked sex, it wouldn't be "abuse" to give it to them! I definitely thought about it and bet that the counselors did too!
Back on topic...Ha, Ha, Ha... I will be updating the matrices today so you can pass them on to your colleagues. And thanks again for your advice. Fight fire with fire! I'm going to do it to "Bob" today!
Thewho responded (changed thewho name on the posts to someone elses name and reposted) and they went back and forth and he believes this is what was considered flooding. At least that is all he can think of for a possible reason. But it takes more than one person to have a flame war, I think is what he called it.
Ccxccc He responded to being banned but never received a response back from fornits.
Thewho said he would agree to having all his posts strung together under his name from: “his banned date backâ€
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 20, 2007, 01:08:41 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
QuoteNo, what I said was that Deb added the little guy and that was it
Anne, That is the point! when asked several months ago we were all told that the mods did not have this capability without leaving an edit trail. Now we know that they do have the capability of altering posts without leaving a trail that the post was changed.
As I remember it, and I could be wrong, it was an anon that said that. Did you hear that from a moderator or admin? I doubt it.
Quote
We all know that people can repost and change other peoples words etc. and have fun with that if they like, but when push comes to shove the truth could be found by tracing the post back to the original. We now know that even the original posts can be altered without leavinga trace so tracing a post back to the original is not dependable anymore.
Yes, they can. So far, all that has been altered was just the addition of the icon to identify Who.
Look, this has happened to all of us. A great way to minimize the possibility is to USE YOUR DAMN LOGIN!!! If you're going to post anon, posing as a bunch of different people, someone's going to catch on and "out" you. That appears is what happened to Who. He was posting as many different people, got caught and is pissed. So what's new?
Whether the posts ore the original ones or have been tampered with we will never know because there is no way to qualify this aymore.[/quote]
Post by: TheWho on August 20, 2007, 01:12:36 PM
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
[/quote]Quote from: ""Guest""QuoteNo, what I said was that Deb added the little guy and that was it
Anne, That is the point! when asked several months ago we were all told that the mods did not have this capability without leaving an edit trail. Now we know that they do have the capability of altering posts without leaving a trail that the post was changed.
As I remember it, and I could be wrong, it was an anon that said that. Did you hear that from a moderator or admin? I doubt it.QuoteWe all know that people can repost and change other peoples words etc. and have fun with that if they like, but when push comes to shove the truth could be found by tracing the post back to the original. We now know that even the original posts can be altered without leavinga trace so tracing a post back to the original is not dependable anymore.
Yes, they can. So far, all that has been altered was just the addition of the icon to identify Who.
Look, this has happened to all of us. A great way to minimize the possibility is to USE YOUR DAMN LOGIN!!! If you're going to post anon, posing as a bunch of different people, someone's going to catch on and "out" you. That appears is what happened to Who. He was posting as many different people, got caught and is pissed. So what's new?
Whether the posts ore the original ones or have been tampered with we will never know because there is no way to qualify this aymore.
Sorry, Anne, you are wrong. The information came from Ginger when thewho complained and thewhos posts were altered and deleted while he was using his user name, not as a guest.
::hatter::
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 20, 2007, 01:13:32 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
The who said he was responding to someone who had taken on his name and another who was continuously posting posts like the following (He doesn’t claim the moderator altered these posts):
Mods are the only ones who CAN alter them without something showing up. The only "alteration" that was done by mods (the only ones who can do that without evidence) was to add the icon.
Quote
Thewho responded (changed thewho name on the posts to someone elses name and reposted) and they went back and forth and he believes this is what was considered flooding. At least that is all he can think of for a possible reason. But it takes more than one person to have a flame war, I think is what he called it.
He wasn't banned for that. He was banned for posing as different people and posting the same thing over and over again AS THOSE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
Quote
Ccxccc He responded to being banned but never received a response back from fornits.
If he didn't, he should have.
Quote
Thewho said he would agree to having all his posts strung together under his name from: “his banned date backâ€
Post by: Froderik on August 20, 2007, 01:19:09 PM
Quote from: ""Froderik""
I'll worry about this when my posts start getting altered. Until then, it's WAY WAY down there on my list of concerns.
Post by: TheWho on August 20, 2007, 01:38:14 PM
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Mods are the only ones who CAN alter them without something showing up. The only "alteration" that was done by mods (the only ones who can do that without evidence) was to add the icon.
you are talking recently. The altered and deleted posts occured several months ago. The posts that were deleted where posts written by thewho under his name (not as a guset). The text of the messages were altered.
Thewho pm'd the mod directly and asked it to stop and he was told where to go. When he took it to ginger it was made public that only an admin can alter posts without an edit trail and mods cannot and it was concluded that thewho was drunk or trying to cover up something he wished he hadnt said so the issue was dropped (kangaroo court style)
Posts are altered in this forum and others, whether you choose to believe it or not, we have already established this. What the readers need to feel comfortable again is to ensure that what they say or their intention is not altered after they post to suit the opinions of the moderators or the direction they would like to lead the discussion.
You are on the outside looking in,anne, until it happens to you its no big deal, shit its only thewho who gives a crap what he says anyway. But if it happens to him it can happen to anyone who disagrees with the majority or becomes a pain in the ass. If you decide to go against popular opinion here and srite about it only to find your post has been altered to suit the group in charge wouldnt you be pissed? and then if you changed it back your edit would leave a edit mark and everyone would claim you did it and couldnt remember, or that you were drunk.
In any event the hole needs to be plugged. If someone has the key to the cash box eventually money will be taken or borrowed. There needs to be better checks and balances in my opinion, not a witch hunt. Lets improve the process, make the readers feel comfortable to post and put this behind us.
::hatter::
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2007, 01:45:27 PM
No, nobody's been editing your posts, Who. Except you. Why the fuck would they need to? Your idiocy comes out raw from the gate. Trying to edit your posts to make them sound even dumber would be something of a challenge.
This is just a desperate ploy to minimize the massive amounts of damage Fornits does to your shithole industry. by making as many bullshit accusations as you can.
It's not working. No one is buying the shit. Anyone who reads your posts can tell how retarded they are right as they're made. And yes, it's very, very obvious it's you.
Go nurse lead from a .38.
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2007, 01:50:15 PM
Enter at own risk , The content of all posts may be altered at the will of the moderator to ensure compliance.
This way we get an honest forum and if you dont agree that programs are fucked up then you shouldnt be here in the first place, this is for survivors, lets be honest, I would change a programmies post in a second if I could.
::hatter::
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 20, 2007, 02:05:43 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
QuoteMods are the only ones who CAN alter them without something showing up. The only "alteration" that was done by mods (the only ones who can do that without evidence) was to add the icon.
you are talking recently. The altered and deleted posts occured several months ago. The posts that were deleted where posts written by thewho under his name (not as a guset). The text of the messages were altered.
Thewho pm'd the mod directly and asked it to stop and he was told where to go. When he took it to ginger it was made public that only an admin can alter posts without an edit trail and mods cannot and it was concluded that thewho was drunk or trying to cover up something he wished he hadnt said so the issue was dropped (kangaroo court style)
Posts are altered in this forum and others, whether you choose to believe it or not, we have already established this. What the readers need to feel comfortable again is to ensure that what they say or their intention is not altered after they post to suit the opinions of the moderators or the direction they would like to lead the discussion.
You are on the outside looking in,anne, until it happens to you its no big deal, shit its only thewho who gives a crap what he says anyway. But if it happens to him it can happen to anyone who disagrees with the majority or becomes a pain in the ass. If you decide to go against popular opinion here and srite about it only to find your post has been altered to suit the group in charge wouldnt you be pissed? and then if you changed it back your edit would leave a edit mark and everyone would claim you did it and couldnt remember, or that you were drunk.
In any event the hole needs to be plugged. If someone has the key to the cash box eventually money will be taken or borrowed. There needs to be better checks and balances in my opinion, not a witch hunt. Lets improve the process, make the readers feel comfortable to post and put this behind us.
OK, well if this is such a concern to you. SIGN THE FUCK IN! Until then, I ain't discussing any more of this shit with anons.
::both:: ::bangin::
Post by: Froderik on August 20, 2007, 02:06:51 PM
Quote
In any event the hole needs to be plugged.
Without any lewd joking, how do propose that this "hole" should get plugged?
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2007, 02:11:01 PM
this is called ENTRAPMENT. and it's illegal, and if this was a legal matter it would be thrown out of court on the spot.
Post by: Froderik on August 20, 2007, 02:23:33 PM
Next...
Post by: TheWho on August 20, 2007, 02:23:45 PM
Quote from: ""Froderik""
QuoteIn any event the hole needs to be plugged.Without any lewd joking, how do propose that this "hole" should get plugged?
thewho said you were funny, lewd jokes is one of the many areas where thewho and I disagree. He is not one for lewd jokes, he has absolutley no social skills at all, aspergers we think.
1) If the readers could be comfortable that each post had an edit trail then that may plug the hole.
2) If internal edits were limited to admins that may do it also. I dont know much about database design but know admins are busy as hell and would have time to review and change individual posts to suit their personal agenda.
3) Like the above poster suggest, just be honest and warn readers that the text of their messages could be altered, (at the will of the moderator) if they are way out of line.
maybe they are far fetched.
::hatter::
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2007, 02:37:30 PM
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i follow this board very, very carefully
apparently not becuse we covered this a page or 2 back and thewhos proxy there said it wasnt the symbol being added and it occured several months ago to posts under his user name. If you cant fucking pay attention I am going to ask the mods to start deleting your posts.
You have been warned.
::hatter::
Post by: Troll Control on August 20, 2007, 04:15:26 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Froderik""QuoteIn any event the hole needs to be plugged.Without any lewd joking, how do propose that this "hole" should get plugged?
thewho said you were funny, lewd jokes is one of the many areas where thewho and I disagree. He is not one for lewd jokes, he has absolutley no social skills at all, aspergers we think.
1) If the readers could be comfortable that each post had an edit trail then that may plug the hole.
2) If internal edits were limited to admins that may do it also. I dont know much about database design but know admins are busy as hell and would have time to review and change individual posts to suit their personal agenda.
3) Like the above poster suggest, just be honest and warn readers that the text of their messages could be altered, (at the will of the moderator) if they are way out of line.
maybe they are far fetched.
no, apparently not aspergers, who. it looks like i hav e said from the beginning: multiple personality disorder.
note to readers: all posts in support of thewho, no matter how back-handed the compliments, and all posts pertaining to "altering posts" are written by none other than thewho himself. are we clear now?
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2007, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quotei follow this board very, very carefully
apparently not becuse we covered this a page or 2 back and thewhos proxy there said it wasnt the symbol being added and it occured several months ago to posts under his user name. If you cant fucking pay attention I am going to ask the mods to start deleting your posts.
You have been warned.
^^^^^thewho^^^^^^^^^^^
delete my posts? good luck. just because i didnt have the chance to comment earlier doesnt mean i cant comment on an earlier post now. I am paying attention. there were no altered posts under his name, as i said before, THE ONLY THING EVER ALTERED WAS THE ADDITION OF THE CATINTHEHAT SYMBOL. THE WHO IS MAKING SHIT UP TO SUIT HIS CAUSE. as i said before, also, THEWHO ASKED TO HAVE HIS POSTS ALTERED..
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2007, 04:54:54 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Froderik""QuoteIn any event the hole needs to be plugged.Without any lewd joking, how do propose that this "hole" should get plugged?
thewho said you were funny, lewd jokes is one of the many areas where thewho and I disagree. He is not one for lewd jokes, he has absolutley no social skills at all, aspergers we think.
1) If the readers could be comfortable that each post had an edit trail then that may plug the hole.
2) If internal edits were limited to admins that may do it also. I dont know much about database design but know admins are busy as hell and would have time to review and change individual posts to suit their personal agenda.
3) Like the above poster suggest, just be honest and warn readers that the text of their messages could be altered, (at the will of the moderator) if they are way out of line.
maybe they are far fetched.
no, apparently not aspergers, who. it looks like i hav e said from the beginning: multiple personality disorder.
note to readers: all posts in support of thewho, no matter how back-handed the compliments, and all posts pertaining to "altering posts" are written by none other than thewho himself. are we clear now?
sounds like Damage control -- even when thewho is banned sweeping claims are made that all the negative posts are his. Instead of focusing on some badly needed internal changes you blame all your problems on thewho.
Sure we are buying it. not
::hatter::
Post by: Froderik on August 20, 2007, 05:02:58 PM
Maybe that was the idea, to waste people's time.
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2007, 05:05:02 PM
I would like to see the bastard swing myself.
Post by: TheWho on August 20, 2007, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
So thewho or his proxy told psy he could string his posts together to reveal the flooding. Are they going to do it?
I would like to see the bastard swing myself.
Personally I dont think they will string his posts together unless they are sure there is a case against him. They would need to show he was flooding the forum or make it appear he was.
I havent read much of what he read, but I dont think he is the type to flood.
ergoproxy
::hatter::
Post by: Troll Control on August 20, 2007, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: ""Froderik""
This whole debate is ludicrous & a waste of time...
Maybe that was the idea, to waste people's time.
this is what thewho does. he's just done it again. he derails threads as part of his strategic trolling.
it also incorporates him posting as "other anons" that "know thewho," but are "not thewho," and think he's been "wronged."
sound familiar? :roll:
Post by: Troll Control on August 20, 2007, 05:31:18 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""So thewho or his proxy told psy he could string his posts together to reveal the flooding. Are they going to do it?
I would like to see the bastard swing myself.
Personally I dont think they will string his posts together unless they are sure there is a case against him. They would need to show he was flooding the forum or make it appear he was.
I havent read much of what he read, but I dont think he is the type to flood.
ergoproxy
not flood? this is the dumbest "not thewho, but supporting thewho" troll yet. have you seen thewho's thread in tti? over THREE HUNDRED PAGES i believe. that's just ONE of the threads he flooded like crazy.
not only are you thewho, you're still just as dumb as before.
Post by: TheWho on August 20, 2007, 05:39:49 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""So thewho or his proxy told psy he could string his posts together to reveal the flooding. Are they going to do it?
I would like to see the bastard swing myself.
Personally I dont think they will string his posts together unless they are sure there is a case against him. They would need to show he was flooding the forum or make it appear he was.
I havent read much of what he read, but I dont think he is the type to flood.
ergoproxy
not flood? this is the dumbest "not thewho, but supporting thewho" troll yet. have you seen thewho's thread in tti? over THREE HUNDRED PAGES i believe. that's just ONE of the threads he flooded like crazy.
not only are you thewho, you're still just as dumb as before.
So why wait for 300 pages to ban him? Why not ban him after the first 5 pages?
I think it was something else, he pissed someone off or something. It wasnt flooding.
::hatter::
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2007, 06:20:12 PM
If you want to alter peoples posts you should be honest and tell them in the beginning. being secretive and lying about altering posts will only hurt the credibility of your site. We see it happen here all the time no one trusts the information.
We had a child hotline called "inhope" which failed because of the bloody mess that is caused by not being honest and moderators who have open reigns. No people would trust the sites info because the posts were compremissed It is doing well in France and Amsterdam, I think. Its a big success but it took a long time to figure out why people didnt visit it herein the UK and it was due to the disorganization I see on your site.
::hatter::
Post by: Troll Control on August 20, 2007, 08:09:00 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
you americans are so bloody paranoide. Why care if it is who or whonot. has anyone read this thread? vertually everyone is a guest accusing everyone else of being this person thewho. In this country we explain the rules very clearly and if they are broken that person is banned for 3 or 6 months. If it continues we ban them for life.
If you want to alter peoples posts you should be honest and tell them in the beginning. being secretive and lying about altering posts will only hurt the credibility of your site. We see it happen here all the time no one trusts the information.
We had a child hotline called "inhope" which failed because of the bloody mess that is caused by not being honest and moderators who have open reigns. No people would trust the sites info because the posts were compremissed It is doing well in France and Amsterdam, I think. Its a big success but it took a long time to figure out why people didnt visit it herein the UK and it was due to the disorganization I see on your site.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^thewho^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
answering himself now again. he loves doing that.
"i'm not me! you're unfair! we have a coalition! waaaaah!!" :lol:
Post by: Che Gookin on August 20, 2007, 08:11:31 PM
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Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Ãœber alles in der Welt,
wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
brüderlich zusammenhält.
von der Maas bis an die Memel,
von der Etsch bis an den Belt,
|: Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Ãœber alles in der Welt! :|
Maleztov!
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2007, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""
QuoteDeutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Ãœber alles in der Welt,
wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
brüderlich zusammenhält.
von der Maas bis an die Memel,
von der Etsch bis an den Belt,
|: Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Ãœber alles in der Welt! :|
Maleztov!
Thank you wandering waygookin, I think? Why is everyone so particular about the who?
Wat wens je klein mensje,
een beetje geluk misschien?
Ik wens je groot mensje,
dat je het geluk blijft zien!
mazel tov!
::hatter::
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 04:40:19 PM
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Why is everyone so particular about the who?
real terrorist, disagreed with everyone so they got rid of him. His thread "Thewho" is a real dump but I didnt see where he was flooding, but they had to say somethin, I guess, there was pressure from the majority to get rid of him.
He desrved what he got, fucking parent programmie. You can disagree with us, just dont make a longstanding habit of it, unless you want to be cut loose. Read around a little before giving your opinion is what i would suggest.
::hatter::
Post by: TheWho on August 22, 2007, 04:51:16 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
QuoteWhy is everyone so particular about the who?
real terrorist, disagreed with everyone so they got rid of him. His thread "Thewho" is a real dump but I didnt see where he was flooding, but they had to say somethin, I guess, there was pressure from the majority to get rid of him.
He desrved what he got, fucking parent programmie. You can disagree with us, just dont make a longstanding habit of it, unless you want to be cut loose. Read around a little before giving your opinion is what i would suggest.
Flooding is what they put down on paper. The guy was banned because of his views, everyone knows it, no one liked him. He offered to have his posts reviewed, but either they are reviewing and trying to make a case against him or they are hopeing it will just go away.
Kind of sucks to have someone silenced because of his views. I liked the old fornits where anything goes, it wasnt just one mind set or group. Lots of arguing back then aqnd defending eachs on ideas.
::hatter::
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 05:08:53 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""QuoteWhy is everyone so particular about the who?
real terrorist, disagreed with everyone so they got rid of him. His thread "Thewho" is a real dump but I didnt see where he was flooding, but they had to say somethin, I guess, there was pressure from the majority to get rid of him.
He desrved what he got, fucking parent programmie. You can disagree with us, just dont make a longstanding habit of it, unless you want to be cut loose. Read around a little before giving your opinion is what i would suggest.
Flooding is what they put down on paper. The guy was banned because of his views, everyone knows it, no one liked him. He offered to have his posts reviewed, but either they are reviewing and trying to make a case against him or they are hopeing it will just go away.
Kind of sucks to have someone silenced because of his views. I liked the old fornits where anything goes, it wasnt just one mind set or group. Lots of arguing back then aqnd defending eachs on ideas.
I spent awhile looking at “thewhoâ€
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 05:14:27 PM
Post by: TheWho on August 22, 2007, 05:32:40 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Last three posts = same person.
I think the whole thread is one person. go back and read it. Although they do have a good point, I must admit.
::hatter::
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 05:56:01 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""QuoteWhy is everyone so particular about the who?
real terrorist, disagreed with everyone so they got rid of him. His thread "Thewho" is a real dump but I didnt see where he was flooding, but they had to say somethin, I guess, there was pressure from the majority to get rid of him.
He desrved what he got, fucking parent programmie. You can disagree with us, just dont make a longstanding habit of it, unless you want to be cut loose. Read around a little before giving your opinion is what i would suggest.
Flooding is what they put down on paper. The guy was banned because of his views, everyone knows it, no one liked him. He offered to have his posts reviewed, but either they are reviewing and trying to make a case against him or they are hopeing it will just go away.
Kind of sucks to have someone silenced because of his views. I liked the old fornits where anything goes, it wasnt just one mind set or group. Lots of arguing back then aqnd defending eachs on ideas.
I spent awhile looking at “thewhoâ€
Post by: Troll Control on August 22, 2007, 06:18:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 06:26:15 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
thewho is such A DICK. stop FLOODING again by responding to yourself over and over. that guy never learns.
Why is thewho getting blamed for everything. If he was flooding they would just ban him again or block his IP, i think is what they do.
Soounds like someone is trying to build a case to cover their butts from the first banning.
tsk,tsk,tsk
I sense someone trying to cover-up
"Oh the tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive"
::hatter::
Post by: psy on August 22, 2007, 06:35:22 PM
::both::
xxx.xx.xxx.xxx = [ 42 Posts ]
xxx.xx.xxx.* = [ FUCKLOAD ]
Post by: TheWho on August 22, 2007, 06:52:18 PM
Quote from: ""psy""
Done talking to yourself???? lol.. ooh.. wait. You ARE done talking to yourself. Bye bye now. Take care!
::both::
xxx.xx.xxx.xxx = [ 42 Posts ]
xxx.xx.xxx.* = [ FUCKLOAD ]
tsk,tsk,tsk you should be ashamed. You never even checked to see if the guy was banned for flooding.
and you say you believe in free speech. You are giving us your definition and you are blinded like the others. He was banned for what he believed in and you know it not for flooding...... the wording of his posts were altered and Deborah knows it.
check it out
::hatter::
Post by: TheWho on August 22, 2007, 06:55:32 PM
signing off
::hatter::
Post by: psy on August 22, 2007, 07:01:45 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""psy""Done talking to yourself???? lol.. ooh.. wait. You ARE done talking to yourself. Bye bye now. Take care!
::both::
xxx.xx.xxx.xxx = [ 42 Posts ]
xxx.xx.xxx.* = [ FUCKLOAD ]
tsk,tsk,tsk you should be ashamed. You never even checked to see if the guy was banned for flooding.
and you say you believe in free speech. You are giving us your definition and you are blinded like the others. He was banned for what he believed in and you know it not for flooding...... the wording of his posts were altered and Deborah knows it.
check it out
Listen. Go back through the thread in about 30 mins and see all the little cats in the hats. It WAS the who. cut it out. I have looked. Don't be an idiot, the guy is a just another program con artist.
If you know a little about networking you'd realize why I banned the whole range. Dialup ISPs often assign a new IP addy per connection. Tha 42 posts? that was PER FUCKING CONNECTION !!! Do I really need to elaborate. The guy is a liar and he WAS flooding the forum.
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 22, 2007, 07:02:22 PM
So, Mods & Admins......just tag his posts with some icon/picture or whatever you want :wink: :wink: (that should be fun, finding Who's own personally chosen avatar), but TAG them only. Nobody alters or edits anything in any way.
And tag all his previous alter-ego posts. It's the only way anyone can get a clear picture of who this guy is. If we can't ban him because of proxys, would this be acceptable?
Post by: psy on August 22, 2007, 07:06:41 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""Last three posts = same person.
I think the whole thread is one person. go back and read it. Although they do have a good point, I must admit.
::hatter::
Do you GET IT NOW!!!!
That post came from TheWho, and it's about the most accurate statement he has ever made on the forum.
Post by: psy on August 22, 2007, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
So he can't really be banned even if every single Fornits poster agreed to it, correct? Proxys and all, right? I'm for bannination, but is it realistic? I don't know.
So, Mods & Admins......just tag his posts with some icon/picture or whatever you want :wink: :wink: (that should be fun, finding Who's own personally chosen avatar), but TAG them only. Nobody alters or edits anything in any way.
And tag all his previous alter-ego posts. It's the only way anyone can get a clear picture of who this guy is. If we can't ban him because of proxys, would this be acceptable?
I don't think ginger would have a problem in the HLA forum but I doubt she wants his posts outed everwhere. The guy posted an almost superhuman number of posts. Its like he was paid to do it. Tagging each and every single TheWho post manually would be pointless.
It could probably be done in Sql directly on the backend, but why bother... Like you said, he will come back on another connection... *sigh*
Friggin paranoid americans... right....
Well. suffice to say i've tagged the little fucker two or three pages back, but i'm not going to bother further than that... You should get the point ok. End of story. The fucker WAS flooding the forum. Nobody has ever or will ever be banned for an opinion on this forum.
Post by: Che Gookin on August 22, 2007, 07:18:45 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""yeah true that you better get on your tin foil hat. Considering that it is the who's postings that may or may not have been altered my give a shit o' meter just went past zero.
Yes, me too, I dont give a rats ass myself. But from a readers point ofview if it is happening to thewho, because of his position, we all know it will happen again to the next guy that comes onto fornits and disagrees with everyone or is happening tody and we dont know it. It seems the only way to insure yourvoice gets heard is to agree with the majority.
Bullshit. I've been trolling, posting shock site links, and being a total asshole for nearly 2 years.Not only am I more respected than that stupid cunt the who, I've never even come close to being banned.
I've disagreed with people plenty of times on this forum. The voice that gets heard is the voice that is willing to stick it out. The who on the other hand resorts to a variety of totally fucktarded anon postings, personal attacks, and out right denial of service attacks via his flooding to no doubt force up the costs of maintaining this website.
If anything I feel more secure now knowing my voice will be heard and not having it buried under a dump truck full of bogus findings from the Who's bullshit little crack pipe project he called research. Mind you I have to wade through a slew of sue scheff posts, but at least those have some sort of redeeming value. The who's evidence on the other hand, along with the rest of his postings, look to have been cooked up by himself whilst sitting on the shitter smoking an 8 ball of crack.
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 07:20:17 PM
Quote from: ""psy""
Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""psy""Done talking to yourself???? lol.. ooh.. wait. You ARE done talking to yourself. Bye bye now. Take care!
::both::
xxx.xx.xxx.xxx = [ 42 Posts ]
xxx.xx.xxx.* = [ FUCKLOAD ]
tsk,tsk,tsk you should be ashamed. You never even checked to see if the guy was banned for flooding.
and you say you believe in free speech. You are giving us your definition and you are blinded like the others. He was banned for what he believed in and you know it not for flooding...... the wording of his posts were altered and Deborah knows it.
check it out
Listen. Go back through the thread in about 30 mins and see all the little cats in the hats. It WAS the who. cut it out. I have looked. Don't be an idiot, the guy is a just another program con artist.
If you know a little about networking you'd realize why I banned the whole range. Dialup ISPs often assign a new IP addy per connection. Tha 42 posts? that was PER FUCKING CONNECTION !!! Do I really need to elaborate. The guy is a liar and he WAS flooding the forum.
Of course I was flooding !! I was trying to get your attention. You asked if thewho would agree at having his posts strung together and I responded that he said it was okay. I cant pm you......
You go on and on about free speech and you dont realize thewho was banned for something he didnt do. Yes he posted as a guest and was involved in flame wars but he didnt flood the forum.
Any other frequent poster would have been warned.
He was banned because he exposed that the moderators change peoples posts ans the wording. They also delete posts they dont agree with so the readers get their spin on things... do you get it now!!!!
Fuck, psy, wake up.... ban all my IP's if you like...but if you want the truth dont just close your eyes and ears
::hatter::
Post by: Che Gookin on August 22, 2007, 07:23:49 PM
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 22, 2007, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Of course I was flooding !! I was trying to get your attention.
Finally, a shred of truth.
Quote
You asked if thewho (you) would agree at having his (your) posts strung together and I responded that he (you)said it was okay. I (The Who) cant pm you......
Sure you can. If you're not Who, then you can register and PM anyone you choose.
Quote
You go on and on about free speech and you dont realize thewho (you) was banned for something he (you) didnt do. Yes he (you) posted as a guest and was involved in flame wars but he (you) didnt flood the forum.
Any other frequent poster would have been warned.
he (you) was banned because he (you) exposed that the moderators change peoples posts ans the wording. They also delete posts they dont agree with so the readers get their spin on things... do you get it now!!!!
Tag his posts. ALL his posts.
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 07:48:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 07:52:50 PM
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""
^^ The who?
Yes?
Quote
The who on the other hand resorts to a variety of totally fucktarded anon postings, personal attacks, and out right denial of service attacks via his flooding to no doubt force up the costs of maintaining this website.
Bullshit, 95% of my posts or better were me logged in. I got into a flame war with someone but I wasnt flooding or logging in as many identities until the last day before I was banned.
Someone was changing the header to posts I didnt write and I was responding by doing the same. I was logging in as a guest at the time.
If someone takes a snapshot of anypoint in time (except the last day or 2) I will give them $5 for every guest post. I logged in more than most and I didnt take on multiple identies as they would have you believe.
I was banned, I believe, because I exposed a flaw in the system and someone would be embarrassed if this was admitted, so was easier to silence me. I am not looking for anyone to be exposed or for myself to say. "Ah, I won" I dont give a shit.
If you want the truth it is there in the database for anyone to see, there was no flooding going on (prior to me being banned)
We can go back and forth, but the answer is in the database.
::hatter::
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 07:56:32 PM
Quote
Sure you can. If you're not Who, then you can register and PM anyone you choose.
no, I am blocked from logging -in. But if someone emailed me I could verify this is me.
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Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 08:07:48 PM
Post by: psy on August 22, 2007, 08:15:41 PM
Quote
The who on the other hand resorts to a variety of totally fucktarded anon postings, personal attacks, and out right denial of service attacks via his flooding to no doubt force up the costs of maintaining this website.
I'll have to interject on that point... We have an absolutely unholy amount of bandwith and aren't charged for traffic. It's a flat fee (and a good price at that). zippy server too.
No. posting a lot is not ever going to bring the forum down or increase hosting costs. It can, however be used to deny service in a different way by making the forum difficult to navigate, read, understand, etc... It may not crash anything, but it might as well if it prevents people from discussing things (drowning out).
Ok ok okok.. I've been busy recently but I can look up the addresses in the morning (it's late at night here in paris).
If I find what I thing i'm going to find (flooding), my next move will be to look up and ban the ip range for your entire (tiny dialup) isp for wasting my time and disrupting the damn forum again.
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 08:34:53 PM
Quote
If I find what I thing i'm going to find (flooding), my next move will be to look up and ban the ip range for your entire (tiny dialup) isp for wasting my time and disrupting the damn forum again.
I can almost guarentee it will not be a waste of time. Thank you in advance for your effort, psy.
I think you will find that out of the 3,000 or more posts 40or 50 are guest posts.
If it shows subtantially higher than that I will buy a fornits teeshirt and wear it to the next board meeting (and have a picture taken).
I am not looking particularly to be unbanned, just like things to be right. You may find something else to ban me for, but be honest is all I ask. I'll accept what I sowed.
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Post by: dommerdog on August 22, 2007, 08:35:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 08:37:18 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
post your email.
find one of my posts in "Thewho" thread and click email, I will get it.
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Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: ""psy""
QuoteThe who on the other hand resorts to a variety of totally fucktarded anon postings, personal attacks, and out right denial of service attacks via his flooding to no doubt force up the costs of maintaining this website.
I'll have to interject on that point... We have an absolutely unholy amount of bandwith and aren't charged for traffic. It's a flat fee (and a good price at that). zippy server too.
No. posting a lot is not ever going to bring the forum down or increase hosting costs. It can, however be used to deny service in a different way by making the forum difficult to navigate, read, understand, etc... It may not crash anything, but it might as well if it prevents people from discussing things (drowning out).
Ok ok okok.. I've been busy recently but I can look up the addresses in the morning (it's late at night here in paris).
If I find what I thing i'm going to find (flooding), my next move will be to look up and ban the ip range for your entire (tiny dialup) isp for wasting my time and disrupting the damn forum again.
prior to the new service the idea of a Doss attack was a very real threat, and it was under that service the Who was banned.
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2007, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""post your email.
find one of my posts in "Thewho" thread and click email, I will get it.
::hatter::
Ok. Well i've looked through the database for the IPs you've posted from. I sent you an email at the email address you registered. Once I confirm it's you, i'll post the results.
Um. I'll tell you right now its more than 50 so I expect a photo with the Fornits T-shirt at your next (NATSAP?) board meeting.
Post by: psy on August 23, 2007, 12:51:24 PM
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IP address for this post
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I have XXX'ed out the fourth octet of the IP address for his privacy,
So. 156+116 = a total of 272 posts as a Guest. The who is correct in that it is below his posts under his username, however it is much greater than 50. I expect a photo!
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2007, 01:17:15 PM
BTW, in his world, 272 = 50 because HE SAID SO! What a douche!
Post by: psy on August 23, 2007, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Link those anon posts, please. Let's see the REAL sickness of TheWho!
BTW, in his world, 272 = 50 because HE SAID SO! What a douche!
Regardless. That isn't flooding.
Look. After looking into it, Talking to Ginger and Kelly, we've decided that it was a mistake to ban TheWho in the first place. I know this is going to piss people off, but He's now un-banned. And since we made a mistake there is really no need for a t-shirt either.
And we will be modifying the forum to add edit trails for admins.
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2007, 04:26:05 PM
Post by: Antigen on August 23, 2007, 05:01:01 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
[shameless plug] www.torturedkids.com (http://www.torturedkids.com) has a total programmie ban policy. [/shameless plug]
How's that workin' out for ya there, Milk?
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 23, 2007, 05:33:47 PM
Post by: Che Gookin on August 23, 2007, 09:21:47 PM
Quote from: ""Scarlett Chiclet""
Quote from: ""Guest""[shameless plug] www.torturedkids.com (http://www.torturedkids.com) has a total programmie ban policy. [/shameless plug]
How's that workin' out for ya there, Milk?
lols.. hahaahhaahah
Post by: psy on August 23, 2007, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Are his anon posts going to be linked up?
He said we could do it but right now I don't have the time. It's not exactly that high on my to-do list at the moment frankly. I'll get around to it in a few weeks. He did offer to do the t-shirt though.
Post by: TheWho on August 24, 2007, 06:06:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2008, 09:13:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2008, 09:15:52 PM
Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: ""Guest""Link those anon posts, please. Let's see the REAL sickness of TheWho!
BTW, in his world, 272 = 50 because HE SAID SO! What a douche!
Regardless. That isn't flooding.
Look. After looking into it, Talking to Ginger and Kelly, we've decided that it was a mistake to ban TheWho in the first place. I know this is going to piss people off, but He's now un-banned. And since we made a mistake there is really no need for a t-shirt either.
And we will be modifying the forum to add edit trails for admins.
:jerry: