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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: psy on August 13, 2007, 04:01:53 PM

Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: psy on August 13, 2007, 04:01:53 PM
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   From:      [Psy]
   Subject:    Re: {Interaction#004-296-931}Site tempararily shut donw_abuse related issue
   Date:    August 13, 2007 9:54:32 PM CEDT
   To:      [redacted]


Thank you.

I would appreciate it if you could consider keeping the account active for a little longer to give us more time to find (and research) another hosting service.  Of course, now that you have an official sworn statement, that should provide indemnification for you.  I'm not sure how Ginger feels about it, but would you consider not disactivating the account at all? Other than this incident, we are generally satisfied with the service we have received from Netfirms.

Peace,
Mike

PS: and i do apologize for being a bit curt (ok, rude) in my previous email.

On Aug 13, 2007, at 9:43 PM, Netfirms Abuse wrote:


Hello Michael,

Thank you for your e-mail.

Please be advised that Dan was incorrect in providing you this response in regards to being notified in advance.

Nonetheless, we have reactivated the account for a period of 24 hours so that you may download a copy of your files.  Please contact us once you have completed this task.

Regards,

Todd
Netfirms Inc.
www.netfirms.com (http://www.netfirms.com)

-----Original Message-----
From:   [Psy]
Date:   Monday, August 13, 2007  03:06 PM
To:   [redacted]Netfirms Abuse (abuse@netfirms.com)
Cc:   [redacted]
Subject:  Re: Site tempararily shut donw_abuse related issue


Your policies state:


14. INDEMNITY.
YOU agree to release, indemnify, and hold US, OUR contractors including any relevant TLD registry, agents, employees, officers, directors and affiliates harmless from all liabilities, claims and expenses, including attorney's fees, of third parties relating to or arising under this Agreement, the Services provided hereunder or YOUR use of the Services, including without limitation infringement by YOU, or someone else using the Service with YOUR computer, of any intellectual property or other proprietary right of any person or entity, or from the violation of any of OUR operating rules or policy relating to the service(s) provided. YOU also agree to release, indemnify and hold US harmless pursuant to the terms and conditions contained in any applicable Dispute Policy. If WE are threatened with such a claim by a third party, WE may seek written assurances from YOU concerning YOUR promise to indemnify US; YOUR failure to provide those assurances will be deemed a breach of this Agreement and may result in deactivation of YOUR domain name.


I, the content manager of sueschefftruth.com would have been willing to sign a statement under penalty of perjury that the content on my site was accurate to the full extent of my knowledge on the matter (which is extensive).  I spent a long time personally writing those blogs in an effort to expose censorship, hoping that our new canadian hosts would actually bother to investigate the matter properly of actually contact us in advance before taking down the site.  Sue Scheff is a liar and a crook.  I will swear to that in a court of law a thousand times over. I was hoping that since the US had become so litigious, Canada might provide a better solution for a somewhat controversial site (fornits.com).  I contacted my friend Rachael, who contacted Dan at your company.  She informed him prior to our registration about Sue Scheff and he assured us in writing (citing the above text) that you would NOT remove the site without informing us first.  He told us that in writing and as soon as Rachael gets to her computer we will be forwarding those emails to you.  YOU have breached you own terms of service with US, not the other way around.


What incompetent idiot makes a judgement call on what is or is not defamatory material before at least bothering to contact both sides of the story?!?!  Is this what passes for free speech in Canada?  I'll be frank.  I am ashaimed of the country I live in, but your actions show that you are becoming just as bad.


Cheers and happiness,
Michael Crawford (sueschefftruth.com content manager)


PS:
And if you do decide not to re-activate the site, could you at least bother to enable us FTP access or find a way to provide us with a backup of all our sites?  I can't stress the importance of the content you are hosting (mostly fornits.com).






On Aug 13, 2007, at 8:10 PM, Netfirms Abuse wrote:




Hello Virginia,


Thank you for contacting us.


Please be advised that the account was temporarily suspended pending further investigation of the website sueschefftruth.com.  We have received complaints of defamatory material on the website, and upon further review, we agree with the complaint.


Please also note that Netfirms reserves the right to suspend an account that is in violation of our Terms of Service without notice to the user.  We are unsure of whom you spoke to during your signup however Netfirms would not offer a verbal agreement regarding a site suspension.


Regards,


Todd
Netfirms Inc.
www.netfirms.com (http://www.netfirms.com)


And I submitted a sworn statement too...
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 04:14:29 PM
we oughta cut-n-paste each article, and put a copy on sites like

the forums at http://www.topix.net (http://www.topix.net)

the rant-n-rave site on your local Craigslist
Example:

http://newyork.craigslist.org/rnr/ (http://newyork.craigslist.org/rnr/)
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 04:15:05 PM
So, does this mean the site will be going back down in 24 hours?
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Deborah on August 13, 2007, 04:19:06 PM
Lovely. So if the issue is with sueschefftruth.com why not take it down until this is resolved or we move... again, so Fornits isn't effected.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 04:22:31 PM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Lovely. So if the issue is with sueschefftruth.com why not take it down until this is resolved or we move... again, so Fornits isn't effected.


half a loaf would be better than none
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Antigen on August 13, 2007, 04:30:13 PM
I don't know yet. This guy Todd is just a floor supervisor. Still waiting for our legal eagle friends to speak their jaberwoky to Dan in NetFirms' legal dept. Then we'll know something.

Stay tuned for the next exciting episode as the Fornits congregate in the thousands to  'fertilize' Sue Scheff's and Anne Hall's front lawns.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 04:33:36 PM
Ask them what part of sueschefftruth do they find offensive.  I think Scheff is using the "enclyclopediadramatic" to her advantage.  She is trying to make this a hate/anti-sematic issue.  She will use what ever it takes to silence those who don't agree with what she does.

If the host provider only finds that to be offensive, then it may be worth removing that link.  Just my opinion.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 04:35:50 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Ask them what part of sueschefftruth do they find offensive.  I think Scheff is using the "enclyclopediadramatic" to her advantage.  She is trying to make this a hate/anti-sematic issue.  She will use what ever it takes to silence those who don't agree with what she does.

If the host provider only finds that to be offensive, then it may be worth removing that link.  Just my opinion.


Great idea!

It's good to be brainstorming compromises.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 04:36:31 PM
Who the sam hell is anne hall?
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: psy on August 13, 2007, 04:37:13 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
So, does this mean the site will be going back down in 24 hours?


No such luck for sue.. we're just moving again.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 04:39:11 PM
Quote from: ""psy""
Quote from: ""Guest""
So, does this mean the site will be going back down in 24 hours?

No such luck for sue.. we're just moving again.


say...who is Auto Admit's server?  Since they didn't get knocked down, does that mean their server might have a pair of brass ones?

it's just that they stood toe-to-toe with Rep Def last spring, and their still up.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Bunnie on August 13, 2007, 04:39:14 PM
I just don't understand, there are plenty of really offensive things on the internet, but they are allowed due to free speech.
I have seen on other forums, the same lingo used here and worse.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Ursus on August 13, 2007, 04:43:15 PM


http://www.xs4all.nl/uk/index.php (http://www.xs4all.nl/uk/index.php)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XS4ALL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XS4ALL)
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/60/031.html (http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/60/031.html)
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: hanzomon4 on August 13, 2007, 04:44:03 PM
Ask them to specify exactly which statements are defamatory, I'm sure we can prove them to be factual...
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: psy on August 13, 2007, 04:52:43 PM
A huge thanks to those who are helping us with moving and giving us informaition.  We might not have time to respond to it all, but it's ALL very appreciated.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 13, 2007, 05:11:35 PM
What else can we do?  I am so tech unsavvy it's ridiculous, so tell me what to do.

Fucking bitch can't shut us up legally (cuz it's all TRUE Sue!  You DO sell kids into programs) so she pays to have it buried.

Fucking bitch.  If she's so confident that she's right, lay all the fucking cards on the table.

 :flame:
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: psy on August 13, 2007, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Ask them to specify exactly which statements are defamatory, I'm sure we can prove them to be factual...


Hell... i practically hyperlinked half my last article with references AND sent a sworn statement under penalty of perjury to netfirms...
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Ursus on August 13, 2007, 06:08:03 PM
Unless an ISP has philosophical underpinnings which make free speech a moral imperative rather than merely a monetary incentive, they would rather not be bothered with too much controversy.  You can't really blame them.  Our current ISP would rather devote their resources to running a simple business.  They are what they are, and that's that.

Not everybody gets a kick out of setting legal precedent, and it would appear that Sure Shrek is aiming to bringing matters to that kind of climax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_imperative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_imperative)
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 06:21:42 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Unless an ISP has philosophical underpinnings which make free speech a moral imperative rather than merely a monetary incentive, they would rather not be bothered with too much controversy.  You can't really blame them.  Our current ISP would rather devote their resources to running a simple business.  They are what they are, and that's that.

Not everybody gets a kick out of setting legal precedent, and it would appear that Sure Shrek is aiming to bringing matters to that kind of climax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_imperative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_imperative)


...with Reputation Defender egging her on.

And why wouldn't she trust them?  They've come through with some press...even if those articles are google-impotent.

But, guess what? Once Sue isn't useful to Reputation Defender anymore, they'll cast her aside like used tissue.

I did a bit of research on these guys: that's their M.O.

http://xoxoreader.blogspot.com/2007/03/ ... ender.html (http://xoxoreader.blogspot.com/2007/03/question-about-how-reputation-defender.html)
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Ursus on August 13, 2007, 06:34:28 PM
I actually think Sure Shrek will hurt RD's business in the long run.  They are most effective when the general public is unaware of them working away, doing what they do.  As the general public becomes more apprised of what their work consists of, to admit to hiring them will become almost a sure badge of "you've got something to hide."  Most especially so when their name is repeatedly associated with Sure Shrek's in the media.  Kind of destroys any possibility of discretion.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: psy on August 13, 2007, 06:52:29 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
I actually think Sure Shrek will hurt RD's business in the long run.  They are most effective when the general public is unaware of them working away, doing what they do.  As the general public becomes more apprised of what their work consists of, to admit to hiring them will become almost a sure badge of "you've got something to hide."  Most especially so when their name is repeatedly associated with Sure Shrek's in the media.  Kind of destroys any possibility of discretion.


anybody google sue scheff recently?

http://www.google.com/search?q=sue+scheff (http://www.google.com/search?q=sue+scheff)
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: hanzomon4 on August 13, 2007, 06:55:28 PM
Same here Anne, I don't know how the web and websites work either but I found Computer Tyme Web Hosting (http://http://www.ctyme.com/hosting/index.htm)
Quote from: ""Their site""
Why Computer Tyme Hosting
There's a million hosting companies out there - so why choose us? What make us different from the rest? We specialize in a few areas - in particular - free speech and spam and virus filtering. If you are looking for free speech web hosting and the best spam and virus filtering on the planet - we are the host for you. Our specialties hosting political and consumer rights sites. One of our slogans is, "No anti-Bish site left behind". We also host sites that are critical of corporation and where companies have threatened you over things that you are legally allowed to post but other hosting companies who don't understand the law as well are scared off by threats.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 13, 2007, 06:57:25 PM
Very cool!!  Make sure Ginger knows about them.

Psy...what's with Googling Scheff?  The same regurgitated bullshit came up when I did.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 06:58:41 PM
Doesn't Sue Scheff and Focal Point Academy have a lawsuit they need to be working on; rather than annoying posters on FORNITS?
DAMN!
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 13, 2007, 07:03:08 PM
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Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: psy on August 13, 2007, 07:05:25 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Doesn't Sue Scheff and Focal Point Academy have a lawsuit they need to be working on; rather than annoying posters on FORNITS?
DAMN!


The lawsuit is as good as lost to Sue Scheff.  What she is working on now is pre-emptive damage control.  Ain't gonna help much. She punched a friggin bees nest.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: hanzomon4 on August 13, 2007, 07:08:59 PM
I found this article on web hosts committed to free speech on Cnet - Link (http://http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9749940-7.html). In the story theres a link to a compiled list of these web hosts - Check it out here (http://http://dedicatedhostingguide.net/2007/free-speech-hosting-11-web-hosts-that-wont-dump-you-at-the-first-sign-of-controversy/)
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 13, 2007, 07:10:01 PM
Boy that's for sure!!  This is bringing more publicity to this industry and issue than anything else has.  They can dismiss us for a little while as 'disgruntled' or 'deranged' or 'anti semitic', but sooner or later the truth will rise to the surface and she'll be shown for exactly what she is.  A greedy bitch that gets paid to send kids off into abusive programs.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 07:12:39 PM
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Psy...what's with Googling Scheff?  The same regurgitated bullshit came up when I did.


Well...whenver I run a google search, I ignore the chaff and click on the wheat.  That way, google knows to bump down the spam, and bump up the truth.  Y'see?

Here's the wheat on each page:
page 1:

http://sueschefftruth.com (http://sueschefftruth.com)
http://www.isaccorp.org/whitmore/jharris.pdf (http://www.isaccorp.org/whitmore/jharris.pdf)

page 2:
http://www.nowpublic.com/sue-scheff-pure-sued (http://www.nowpublic.com/sue-scheff-pure-sued)
http://tinyurl.com/2jm6qb (http://tinyurl.com/2jm6qb)

page 3:
http://www.nowpublic.com/what-sue-scheff-wants-censor (http://www.nowpublic.com/what-sue-scheff-wants-censor)
http://claimid.com/realsuescheff (http://claimid.com/realsuescheff)
http://tinyurl.com/2kzcmc (http://tinyurl.com/2kzcmc)

page 4:
http://www.topix.net/forum/chicago/TIETLN2TG6AUD41R2 (http://www.topix.net/forum/chicago/TIETLN2TG6AUD41R2)

page 5:
http://tinyurl.com/2jrmb5 (http://tinyurl.com/2jrmb5)
http://bloggerproxy.info/proxy-11575.htm (http://bloggerproxy.info/proxy-11575.htm)
http://www.corank.com/tech/story/carey- ... Sue-Scheff (http://www.corank.com/tech/story/carey-Bock-v-Sue-Scheff)
http://tinyurl.com/35sx8a (http://tinyurl.com/35sx8a)

page 6:
http://sscheff2.egoweblog.com (http://sscheff2.egoweblog.com)
http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Sue_Scheff_Sued (http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Sue_Scheff_Sued)
http://tinyurl.com/2vz9ga (http://tinyurl.com/2vz9ga)
http://reddit.com/info/2ewwk/comments (http://reddit.com/info/2ewwk/comments)

page 7:
http://www.isaccorp.org/pressreleases/s ... ctory.html (http://www.isaccorp.org/pressreleases/suescheffemptyvictory.html)
http://suescheffvcareybock.blogspot.com (http://suescheffvcareybock.blogspot.com)
http://greenversussuescheff.blogspot.com (http://greenversussuescheff.blogspot.com)
http://tinyurl.com/3629w2 (http://tinyurl.com/3629w2)

etc.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 13, 2007, 07:17:02 PM
Ah, thank you.  See?  Told ya I was illiterate with this stuff.   :D
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Ah, thank you.  See?  Told ya I was illiterate with this stuff.   :D


I'm glad that you asked :)

Actually, I bet if more of us did this selective googling-and-clicking, it might bring truth to the top a bit faster.

After all, you can BET that Reputation Defender has HIRED monkeys to show artificial interest in Sue Sue's spam.  (That's how they got that tripe to the top in the beginning: by manufacturing an artificial swell of interest in their propaganda.)
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: psy on August 13, 2007, 07:38:23 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Ah, thank you.  See?  Told ya I was illiterate with this stuff.   :D

I'm glad that you asked :)

Actually, I bet if more of us did this selective googling-and-clicking, it might bring truth to the top a bit faster.

After all, you can BET that Reputation Defender has HIRED monkeys to show artificial interest in Sue Sue's spam.  (That's how they got that tripe to the top in the beginning: by manufacturing an artificial swell of interest in their propaganda.)


Well... It's an effective tactic.  Seperate blogs all cross linked and linking to PURE's main site... and scamming digg, and all sorts of other sites.

And i must say, THANK YOU ANONYMOUS for all this help, and the tips.  We ain't out of the woods yet, but I'm glad there are guardian angels out there helping.

 :nworthy:
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: BuzzKill on August 13, 2007, 07:55:01 PM
You'd think she would learn - stay away from Fornits.
But I guess its like Kipling says: The burnt fool's bandaged finger, goes wobbling back to the fire. . .

There are a couple things I have been meaning to comment on in her letter to Go-Daddy. Firstly, her saying she had had to close her office as if it had to do with anything on Fornits.  Yeah, she closed her office - but long before recent, or current events. She and I were still talking when she closed her office. That was back before Joyce Harris gave her statement on PURE and Whitmore to ISAC. She told me her mom was after her to close the office, to cut back on the expense of running an office, when she could operate PURE from her home very easily.

And the bit about someone saying her daughter had died - I remember that. It was on the Whitmore forum (back when all that was red hot) and the point of it appeared to be an attempt to guilt people into leaving Sue alone. I don't know exactly where it is - maybe someone can find it - but I thought it was Sue herself; or someone posting at her request, as people often do; trying to make people feel bad for her, so they would stop being "mean" to her. I was shocked she would tempt fate like that - go so far as to say her daughter had died, to obtain some measure of sympathy. It was of corse total bull shit.  And now - trying to argue it was some kind of threat, is also total bull shit.

But now you guys - listen - not to be taken for a prudish church lady (tho I know I will be) you might find it easier to find a lasting home for these fori, if you'd lay off the overt and extreme vulgarity and racism. Poking a little fun now and then is one thing - but some of your guys really do go to far. You take advantage of the freedom Ginger has always insisted you retain, and in effect, you give people legitimate objections, any hosting company will likely give consideration to. If you want to save Fornits, and have a place where all the issues can be freely discussed, you might abstain from abusing the privilege to the extent you sometimes do.

All this being said - for now - as I understand it - she is bitchin' about the Sue Scheff Truth site - and that one is squeaky clean - but true - so maybe this concern of mine is in fact misplaced. Maybe the hosting companies are more upset by Truth than by public vulgarity.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 07:55:36 PM
Quote from: ""psy""

Well... It's an effective tactic.  Seperate blogs all cross linked and linking to PURE's main site... and scamming digg, and all sorts of other sites.

And i must say, THANK YOU ANONYMOUS for all this help, and the tips.  We ain't out of the woods yet, but I'm glad there are guardian angels out there helping.

 


Thats very kind of you.  

Reputation Defender's tactics (bullying speakers, arm twisting of ISPs, censoring of information their sponsors don't like) would be a disaster for the democratic nature of the internet.  

You all have more allies than you realize.

Yes, your remark about all of the interlinked blogs (sometimes called a "link farm") is a great observation.  Because Google counts links, too.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: psy on August 13, 2007, 07:59:31 PM
by George.. I think we found one:
http://www.ctyme.com/hosting/index.htm (http://www.ctyme.com/hosting/index.htm)

Quote
Free Speech Hosting
We are very strong supporters of free speech and free expression and resist any attempts of governments to impose limits on what can be said on the web. Therefore, we allow content that many of the larger hosting companies might not. This is not to say that we allow anything and everything. But we believe strongly that the web belongs to the people of the world, and that it transcends governmental control.

What makes Computer Tyme Hosting different than most other companies when it comes to free speech and privacy is that when other companies are threated by lawyers - they don't have the expertise or want to deal with the issues of determining if the lawyers who is making the threat has any legal basis to do so. We are not so timid around lawyers and we are familiar with legal issues surrounding fair use, trademark, copyright and slander. So if a lawyer calls us demanding that something be taken down - or that I turn over information about customers - they better have a legitimate court order in hand to do so - or we just tell them to get f**ked! And - there are quite a few lawyers out there that I've said that to. So if you are exposing corporate and government corruption - or just want to build a sucks site - you have a home with Computer Tyme Hosting.

For example, France prohibits allowing it's citizens to view web sites with Nazi related materials, or trade merchandise from World War II. As a result, sites like Yahoo/Geocities scan their web pages and take down pages that say the word "Hitler" in them anywhere. Thus this page itself would be banned from Geocities. Our position is that France doesn't have the right to censor the web and French citizens are welcome to read whatever they want here and the Government of France can go fuck themselves. I'm legal savvy and France doesn't scare me. Neither does the United States. So we permit content that governments find offensive.

Other examples include exposing online scams. Lawyers call me threatening everything in the world and I just tell them to go win a lawsuit and bring me an order with a judges signature on it - or don't bother wasting my time. If the lawyer makes a false representation - I file a bar complaint in the jurisdiction where they are licensed.


I love it.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 13, 2007, 08:01:17 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""


You all have more allies than you realize.


I have suspected this for a while.  I sure am glad to get some confirmation.  I figured once this started getting to the right people we'd end up with reinforcements.

Thank you.  Very much!
 :smokin:  ::bandit::  :nworthy:



Any other suggestions, please feel free to post them.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: hanzomon4 on August 13, 2007, 08:02:33 PM
I found a good read about an animal rights website in similar situation as this. In the article (http://http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2001/08/31/dmca_animals/index.html) it states this:
Quote
Earlier this month, the Bank of New York notified EnviroLink that it believed that the site violated its copyrights. EnviroLink took down the site. "Under the DMCA, a corporation contacts an ISP to let them know that a site that they host is violating their copyright," explains Knauer. "To protect ourselves from threat of lawsuit, we have to shut down the Web site, whether we think the claim is valid or not."

If the client whose Web site has been shut down provides a counter-notification swearing under penalty of perjury that it believes the site not to be a copyright violation, then the site can be reinstated by the ISP, such as Envirolink, but not before 10 working days and no later than 14 working days have passed. In the case of BankofNYkills.com, Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty has not yet sent a counter-notification. The site remains down.


Psy's done this so why is the host freaking out, lets us prove (again) the truth in what we say.  Sue knows it's the truth that's why she's shit'in bricks...
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: psy on August 13, 2007, 08:04:24 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""psy""

Well... It's an effective tactic.  Seperate blogs all cross linked and linking to PURE's main site... and scamming digg, and all sorts of other sites.

And i must say, THANK YOU ANONYMOUS for all this help, and the tips.  We ain't out of the woods yet, but I'm glad there are guardian angels out there helping.

 

Thats very kind of you.  

Reputation Defender's tactics (bullying speakers, arm twisting of ISPs, censoring of information their sponsors don't like) would be a disaster for the democratic nature of the internet.  

You all have more allies than you realize.

I am beginning to realize that.  I don't think I can say thank you enough.

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Yes, your remark about all of the interlinked blogs (sometimes called a "link farm") is a great observation.  Because Google counts links, too.


Yes.  But what's unique about her linkfarms is that they actually hire (probably outsourced) monkeys to fill up the pages with text without links so it looks like an actual article, and has a decent link:text ratio.  If Sue Scheff actually wrote all those blogs it would probably end up something like this:

(http://http://www.dedalo-3d.com/images/wip3.gif)

As much as I would find that hilarious, it hasn't happened yet, sadly.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 08:40:13 PM
Quote from: ""psy""

Yes.  But what's unique about her linkfarms is that they actually hire (probably outsourced) monkeys to fill up the pages with text without links so it looks like an actual article, and has a decent link:text ratio.  If Sue Scheff actually wrote all those blogs it would probably end up something like this:

(http://http://www.dedalo-3d.com/images/wip3.gif)

As much as I would find that hilarious, it hasn't happened yet, sadly.


Yeah, that's an important point: there've gotta be a number of monkeys involved, not only in the bumping, but in the generating of "Sue's" blogs.

BTW, did RD tell your ISP that you were in violation of copyright?  Or did they allege libel?
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: hanzomon4 on August 13, 2007, 08:57:41 PM
Libel, defamation I believe... Read the Here's the skiny! (http://http://fornits.netfirms.com/fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=22535) post
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: ZenAgent on August 13, 2007, 09:00:15 PM
Why not sue the queen of lawsuits?  This is clearly harassment by Scheff and her hired bumblers.  As mentioned earlier, it's time for her to put up or shut up.  Prove the comments are fallacious or grit your teeth and take it like the pro you say you are, Sue. The only other public figure I can think of with such paper-thin skin is Dubya Bush, and he uses the same kind of goon hand to stifle critics.  Like Dubya, Scheff's spinning faster and faster toward the pipe at the bottom of the  toilet bowl.

Sue, you wretched, cannibalistic sow.  After taking a look at the TB documentary again, I see why you don't want it available in the States.  It's a hell of a struggle to quash a small group of people who are  revealing your hypocrisy, and the film would seal the deal for you.  Yeah, the "housewife" who took on the evil WWASP and won...what a con you laid down.  Did you look around the court room at the faces of your supporters as they realized you were a liar who was turning a healthy profit off sending kids to pits like the Whitmore?  How do you sleep at night, after spouting all that shit about the children having a voice?  The truth prevailed?  Exactly what whitewashed, Sue-approved version of the truth was that?  

I've read the WWASP vs. Scheff transcript, and what a non-event it was.  It was no David and Goliath-style legal battle, only two equals in evil battling it out for turf.  When I read all Scheff's gibberish about Carey Bock I notice she never mentions the relationship they had prior to the defamation lawsuit.  What's the matter, Sue, you don't want potential victims to know you're a coldblooded, vengeful bitch?  Bock was on your witness list, until she sold her computer to WWASP so they could obtain emails your computer conveniently deleted after thirty days.  You were pissed off, Sue, and you waited, and when you saw an opportunity you pulled some gutless sleight of hand on Bock. Your vengeance pulled almost four times more than the amount awarded to Martin Anderson's family for his life.

Are you At Wit's End yet?  The illiterate advertising propaganda/nutbag manifesto you call a book is going to sell like chocolate-covered turds.  I can't imagine how you and Izzy reacted when you realized the deranged, paranoid Whitmore blogs were being read by GAO investigators.  You two were caught engaging in that heinous shit, looking like two sociopaths who probably beat crippled kids for recreation.  I'll bet there was one hell of a deafening roar of flatulence as Izzy's bowels spontaneously evacuated, ruining her size XXXL stretch polyester pants.  That was the moment Izzy realized she had gone into business with a bigger loser than herself, and she switched to wearing mu-mu's in case of more gut-wrenching revelations...

The truth shall prevail, but first it has to get around your lying ass, Sue, and the inept punks who keep trying to shovel the shit off your worthless reputation.  You wanted to be famous - now you have to answer for your sins in public.  Eventually the RD nonsense will be more detrimental than beneficial to you. When RD realizes trying to sanitize the image of a shitbag like you is making them a huge joke, they'll disassociate themselves like you were an incarnation of the clap.  But it will be too late for both of you.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 13, 2007, 09:02:15 PM
Remember how certain people used to point and laugh at us and say that no one ever paid attention to what we said? (more than just ol' SueSue and Izzy.  I'm remembering a few HLA threads with whatshername and Who too) That we were irrelevant and made no difference?



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Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 13, 2007, 09:07:11 PM
Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
Why not sue the queen of lawsuits?  This is clearly harassment by Scheff and her hired bumblers.  As mentioned earlier, it's time for her to put up or shut up.  Prove the comments are fallacious or grit your teeth and take it like the pro you say you are, Sue. The only other public figure I can think of with such paper-thin skin is Dubya Bush, and he uses the same kind of goon hand to stifle critics.  Like Dubya, Scheff's spinning faster and faster toward the pipe at the bottom of the  toilet bowl.

Sue, you wretched, cannibalistic sow.  After taking a look at the TB documentary again, I see why you don't want it available in the States.  It's a hell of a struggle to quash a small group of people who are  revealing your hypocrisy, and the film would seal the deal for you.  Yeah, the "housewife" who took on the evil WWASP and won...what a con you laid down.  Did you look around the court room at the faces of your supporters as they realized you were a liar who was turning a healthy profit off sending kids to pits like the Whitmore?  How do you sleep at night, after spouting all that shit about the children having a voice?  The truth prevailed?  Exactly what whitewashed, Sue-approved version of the truth was that?  

I've read the WWASP vs. Scheff transcript, and what a non-event it was.  It was no David and Goliath-style legal battle, only two equals in evil battling it out for turf.  When I read all Scheff's gibberish about Carey Bock I notice she never mentions the relationship they had prior to the defamation lawsuit.  What's the matter, Sue, you don't want potential victims to know you're a coldblooded, vengeful bitch?  Bock was on your witness list, until she sold her computer to WWASP so they could obtain emails your computer conveniently deleted after thirty days.  You were pissed off, Sue, and you waited, and when you saw an opportunity you pulled some gutless sleight of hand on Bock. Your vengeance pulled almost four times more than the amount awarded to Martin Anderson's family for his life.

Are you At Wit's End yet?  The illiterate advertising propaganda/nutbag manifesto you call a book is going to sell like chocolate-covered turds.  I can't imagine how you and Izzy reacted when you realized the deranged, paranoid Whitmore blogs were being read by GAO investigators.  You two were caught engaging in that heinous shit, looking like two sociopaths who probably beat crippled kids for recreation.  I'll bet there was one hell of a deafening roar of flatulence as Izzy's bowels spontaneously evacuated, ruining her size XXXL stretch polyester pants.  That was the moment Izzy realized she had gone into business with a bigger loser than herself, and she switched to wearing mu-mu's in case of more gut-wrenching revelations...

The truth shall prevail, but first it has to get around your lying ass, Sue, and the inept punks who keep trying to shovel the shit off your worthless reputation.  You wanted to be famous - now you have to answer for your sins in public.  Eventually the RD nonsense will be more detrimental than beneficial to you. When RD realizes trying to sanitize the image of a shitbag like you is making them a huge joke, they'll disassociate themselves like you were an incarnation of the clap.  But it will be too late for both of you.


 :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 09:11:38 PM
Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
Why not sue the queen of lawsuits?  This is clearly harassment by Scheff and her hired bumblers.  As mentioned earlier, it's time for her to put up or shut up.  Prove the comments are fallacious or grit your teeth and take it like the pro you say you are, Sue. The only other public figure I can think of with such paper-thin skin is Dubya Bush, and he uses the same kind of goon hand to stifle critics.  Like Dubya, Scheff's spinning faster and faster toward the pipe at the bottom of the  toilet bowl.


Zen!

Do you have a blog?

You should!

http://www.blogger.com (http://www.blogger.com)

:)
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: hanzomon4 on August 13, 2007, 09:19:38 PM
Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
Why not sue the queen of lawsuits?  This is clearly harassment by Scheff and her hired bumblers.  As mentioned earlier, it's time for her to put up or shut up.  Prove the comments are fallacious or grit your teeth and take it like the pro you say you are, Sue. The only other public figure I can think of with such paper-thin skin is Dubya Bush, and he uses the same kind of goon hand to stifle critics.  Like Dubya, Scheff's spinning faster and faster toward the pipe at the bottom of the  toilet bowl.

Sue, you wretched, cannibalistic sow.  After taking a look at the TB documentary again, I see why you don't want it available in the States.  It's a hell of a struggle to quash a small group of people who are  revealing your hypocrisy, and the film would seal the deal for you.  Yeah, the "housewife" who took on the evil WWASP and won...what a con you laid down.  Did you look around the court room at the faces of your supporters as they realized you were a liar who was turning a healthy profit off sending kids to pits like the Whitmore?  How do you sleep at night, after spouting all that shit about the children having a voice?  The truth prevailed?  Exactly what whitewashed, Sue-approved version of the truth was that?  

I've read the WWASP vs. Scheff transcript, and what a non-event it was.  It was no David and Goliath-style legal battle, only two equals in evil battling it out for turf.  When I read all Scheff's gibberish about Carey Bock I notice she never mentions the relationship they had prior to the defamation lawsuit.  What's the matter, Sue, you don't want potential victims to know you're a coldblooded, vengeful bitch?  Bock was on your witness list, until she sold her computer to WWASP so they could obtain emails your computer conveniently deleted after thirty days.  You were pissed off, Sue, and you waited, and when you saw an opportunity you pulled some gutless sleight of hand on Bock. Your vengeance pulled almost four times more than the amount awarded to Martin Anderson's family for his life.

Are you At Wit's End yet?  The illiterate advertising propaganda/nutbag manifesto you call a book is going to sell like chocolate-covered turds.  I can't imagine how you and Izzy reacted when you realized the deranged, paranoid Whitmore blogs were being read by GAO investigators.  You two were caught engaging in that heinous shit, looking like two sociopaths who probably beat crippled kids for recreation.  I'll bet there was one hell of a deafening roar of flatulence as Izzy's bowels spontaneously evacuated, ruining her size XXXL stretch polyester pants.  That was the moment Izzy realized she had gone into business with a bigger loser than herself, and she switched to wearing mu-mu's in case of more gut-wrenching revelations...

The truth shall prevail, but first it has to get around your lying ass, Sue, and the inept punks who keep trying to shovel the shit off your worthless reputation.  You wanted to be famous - now you have to answer for your sins in public.  Eventually the RD nonsense will be more detrimental than beneficial to you. When RD realizes trying to sanitize the image of a shitbag like you is making them a huge joke, they'll disassociate themselves like you were an incarnation of the clap.  But it will be too late for both of you.


Sue, you've been owned!!! (http://http://sue.scheff.justgotowned.com/)
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 09:23:38 PM
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Why not sue the queen of lawsuits? This is clearly harassment by Scheff and her hired bumblers. As mentioned earlier, it's time for her to put up or shut up. Prove the comments are fallacious or grit your teeth and take it like the pro you say you are, Sue. The only other public figure I can think of with such paper-thin skin is Dubya Bush, and he uses the same kind of goon hand to stifle critics. Like Dubya, Scheff's spinning faster and faster toward the pipe at the bottom of the toilet bowl.

Sue, you wretched, cannibalistic sow. After taking a look at the TB documentary again, I see why you don't want it available in the States. It's a hell of a struggle to quash a small group of people who are revealing your hypocrisy, and the film would seal the deal for you. Yeah, the "housewife" who took on the evil WWASP and won...what a con you laid down. Did you look around the court room at the faces of your supporters as they realized you were a liar who was turning a healthy profit off sending kids to pits like the Whitmore? How do you sleep at night, after spouting all that shit about the children having a voice? The truth prevailed? Exactly what whitewashed, Sue-approved version of the truth was that?

I've read the WWASP vs. Scheff transcript, and what a non-event it was. It was no David and Goliath-style legal battle, only two equals in evil battling it out for turf. When I read all Scheff's gibberish about Carey Bock I notice she never mentions the relationship they had prior to the defamation lawsuit. What's the matter, Sue, you don't want potential victims to know you're a coldblooded, vengeful bitch? Bock was on your witness list, until she sold her computer to WWASP so they could obtain emails your computer conveniently deleted after thirty days. You were pissed off, Sue, and you waited, and when you saw an opportunity you pulled some gutless sleight of hand on Bock. Your vengeance pulled almost four times more than the amount awarded to Martin Anderson's family for his life.

Are you At Wit's End yet? The illiterate advertising propaganda/nutbag manifesto you call a book is going to sell like chocolate-covered turds. I can't imagine how you and Izzy reacted when you realized the deranged, paranoid Whitmore blogs were being read by GAO investigators. You two were caught engaging in that heinous shit, looking like two sociopaths who probably beat crippled kids for recreation. I'll bet there was one hell of a deafening roar of flatulence as Izzy's bowels spontaneously evacuated, ruining her size XXXL stretch polyester pants. That was the moment Izzy realized she had gone into business with a bigger loser than herself, and she switched to wearing mu-mu's in case of more gut-wrenching revelations...

The truth shall prevail, but first it has to get around your lying ass, Sue, and the inept punks who keep trying to shovel the shit off your worthless reputation. You wanted to be famous - now you have to answer for your sins in public. Eventually the RD nonsense will be more detrimental than beneficial to you. When RD realizes trying to sanitize the image of a shitbag like you is making them a huge joke, they'll disassociate themselves like you were an incarnation of the clap. But it will be too late for both of you.


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Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 13, 2007, 09:26:32 PM
Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
I'll bet there was one hell of a deafening roar of flatulence as Izzy's bowels spontaneously evacuated, ruining her size XXXL stretch polyester pants.  That was the moment Izzy realized she had gone into business with a bigger loser than herself, and she switched to wearing mu-mu's in case of more gut-wrenching revelations...



That's my favorite part.
 :rofl:  :rofl:
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Bunnie on August 13, 2007, 09:41:04 PM
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Are you At Wit's End yet? The illiterate advertising propaganda/nutbag manifesto you call a book is going to sell like chocolate-covered turds

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::  ::rocker::  ::rocker::  ::bandit::
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2007, 09:58:27 PM
Quote from: ""BuzzKill""
You'd think she would learn - stay away from Fornits.
But I guess its like Kipling says: The burnt fool's bandaged finger, goes wobbling back to the fire. . .

There are a couple things I have been meaning to comment on in her letter to Go-Daddy. Firstly, her saying she had had to close her office as if it had to do with anything on Fornits.  Yeah, she closed her office - but long before recent, or current events. She and I were still talking when she closed her office. That was back before Joyce Harris gave her statement on PURE and Whitmore to ISAC. She told me her mom was after her to close the office, to cut back on the expense of running an office, when she could operate PURE from her home very easily.

Her mom?  What's the deal with her mom?  I never did get the story on that.  Does she live off mommy?

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And the bit about someone saying her daughter had died - I remember that. It was on the Whitmore forum (back when all that was red hot) and the point of it appeared to be an attempt to guilt people into leaving Sue alone. I don't know exactly where it is - maybe someone can find it - but I thought it was Sue herself; or someone posting at her request, as people often do; trying to make people feel bad for her, so they would stop being "mean" to her. I was shocked she would tempt fate like that - go so far as to say her daughter had died, to obtain some measure of sympathy. It was of corse total bull shit.  And now - trying to argue it was some kind of threat, is also total bull shit.


I remember that too.  Disgusting.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: psy on August 13, 2007, 10:01:11 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""psy""

Yes.  But what's unique about her linkfarms is that they actually hire (probably outsourced) monkeys to fill up the pages with text without links so it looks like an actual article, and has a decent link:text ratio.  If Sue Scheff actually wrote all those blogs it would probably end up something like this:

(http://http://www.dedalo-3d.com/images/wip3.gif)

As much as I would find that hilarious, it hasn't happened yet, sadly.

Yeah, that's an important point: there've gotta be a number of monkeys involved, not only in the bumping, but in the generating of "Sue's" blogs.

BTW, did RD tell your ISP that you were in violation of copyright?  Or did they allege libel?


Defamation, "internet terrorism", death threats.. etc etc.. thoroughly debunked here:
http://sueschefftruth.com/?p=8 (http://sueschefftruth.com/?p=8)
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 13, 2007, 10:46:20 PM
Guys, this is fantastic.  Really nicely done.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Ursus on August 13, 2007, 10:50:30 PM
Quote from: ""BuzzKill""
You'd think she would learn - stay away from Fornits.
But I guess its like Kipling says: The burnt fool's bandaged finger, goes wobbling back to the fire. . .

There are a couple things I have been meaning to comment on in her letter to Go-Daddy. Firstly, her saying she had had to close her office as if it had to do with anything on Fornits.  Yeah, she closed her office - but long before recent, or current events. She and I were still talking when she closed her office. That was back before Joyce Harris gave her statement on PURE and Whitmore to ISAC. She told me her mom was after her to close the office, to cut back on the expense of running an office, when she could operate PURE from her home very easily.

And the bit about someone saying her daughter had died - I remember that. It was on the Whitmore forum (back when all that was red hot) and the point of it appeared to be an attempt to guilt people into leaving Sue alone. I don't know exactly where it is - maybe someone can find it - but I thought it was Sue herself; or someone posting at her request, as people often do; trying to make people feel bad for her, so they would stop being "mean" to her. I was shocked she would tempt fate like that - go so far as to say her daughter had died, to obtain some measure of sympathy. It was of corse total bull shit.  And now - trying to argue it was some kind of threat, is also total bull shit.

But now you guys - listen - not to be taken for a prudish church lady (tho I know I will be) you might find it easier to find a lasting home for these fori, if you'd lay off the overt and extreme vulgarity and racism. Poking a little fun now and then is one thing - but some of your guys really do go to far. You take advantage of the freedom Ginger has always insisted you retain, and in effect, you give people legitimate objections, any hosting company will likely give consideration to. If you want to save Fornits, and have a place where all the issues can be freely discussed, you might abstain from abusing the privilege to the extent you sometimes do.

All this being said - for now - as I understand it - she is bitchin' about the Sue Scheff Truth site - and that one is squeaky clean - but true - so maybe this concern of mine is in fact misplaced. Maybe the hosting companies are more upset by Truth than by public vulgarity.


Thanks, Buzzkill, for bringing back these facts into current consciousness!   :tup:
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: psy on August 13, 2007, 11:04:44 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
Why not sue the queen of lawsuits?  This is clearly harassment by Scheff and her hired bumblers.  As mentioned earlier, it's time for her to put up or shut up.  Prove the comments are fallacious or grit your teeth and take it like the pro you say you are, Sue. The only other public figure I can think of with such paper-thin skin is Dubya Bush, and he uses the same kind of goon hand to stifle critics.  Like Dubya, Scheff's spinning faster and faster toward the pipe at the bottom of the  toilet bowl.

Zen!

Do you have a blog?

You should!

http://www.blogger.com (http://www.blogger.com)

:)


I'll set him up at sueschefftruth.com when we switch over to the new hosting.  Everywhere else on the internet seems to be fair game to make dissappear.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Ursus on August 13, 2007, 11:16:50 PM
Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
Sue, you wretched, cannibalistic sow.  After taking a look at the TB documentary again, I see why you don't want it available in the States.  It's a hell of a struggle to quash a small group of people who are  revealing your hypocrisy, and the film would seal the deal for you.  Yeah, the "housewife" who took on the evil WWASP and won...what a con you laid down.  Did you look around the court room at the faces of your supporters as they realized you were a liar who was turning a healthy profit off sending kids to pits like the Whitmore?  How do you sleep at night, after spouting all that shit about the children having a voice?  The truth prevailed?  Exactly what whitewashed, Sue-approved version of the truth was that?  

...The truth shall prevail, but first it has to get around your lying ass, Sue, and the inept punks who keep trying to shovel the shit off your worthless reputation.  You wanted to be famous - now you have to answer for your sins in public.  Eventually the RD nonsense will be more detrimental than beneficial to you. When RD realizes trying to sanitize the image of a shitbag like you is making them a huge joke, they'll disassociate themselves like you were an incarnation of the clap.  But it will be too late for both of you.


SOOooooo Brilliant, Zen!  Did my heart good to read it!   :tup:  :tup:  :tup:  :tup:
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Ursus on August 13, 2007, 11:41:01 PM
Despite all the avowals of the defense of free speech and what-not on the part of many an ISP, I worry that having our ISP back in the USA may be just a bit too tempting to the opponents that be...  There is something to be said for readying ourselves for potentially setting legal precedent, and yet there is also something to be said for sidestepping the disruption and hassle in order to better focus on more important things.

I'm not really in any position to pass judgment either way, and I'll certainly deal with whatever route fornits takes... But I thought I'd just bring it up again that it might be more prudent to opt for foreign soil, given the current political climate, and given the possibility of doing so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XS4ALL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XS4ALL)
The company is known for its willingness to take on controversial issues; has taken spammers to court, and fought other courtroom battles, such as Scientology vs. the Internet.[/color]

History

XS4ALL was established in Amsterdam in 1993 by Felipe Rodriquez, Rop Gonggrijp, Paul Jongsma and Cor Bosman. It grew out of Hacktic Netwerk, a UUCP network. Hacktic Netwerk was started by the contributors to Hack-Tic, an underground hackers' magazine. Rop Gonggrijp edited and published Hack-tic and Felipe Rodriquez operated "Utopia", a hacker BBS that was one of the largest nodes on the network. XS4ALL was originally only the name of the system used to connect paying users to the online Internet (as opposed to access to the offline UUCP service, which was offered for free). Since many more users used XS4ALL than any other service, the organization subsequently renamed itself to XS4ALL and later transformed itself from a non-profit into a for-profit enterprise. XS4ALL quickly grew into a large full-service ISP.

On January 15, 1994, De Digitale Stad ("The Digital City") opened, the result of a joint venture by De Balie, the Amsterdam cultural center, and XS4ALL (then still called Hacktic Netwerk). DDS was a Free-Net, a free system open to the public. The aim of DDS was to bring politics and citizens together in an online community.

XS4ALL initiated the Dutch Internet Industry Association (NLIP) in 1995. Together with a large number of other Internet providers, the association was created with Felipe Rodriquez, then the director of XS4ALL, as its chairman until 1997. As one of the leading organizations within NLIP, XS4ALL has always had a strong voice against censorship regulation and against the erosion of privacy.

In December 1998, XS4ALL was sold to the Dutch incumbent telecom company KPN but continued to operate as an independent daughter. XS4ALL has since proven capable of maintaining its own cultural and political identity.

Activism and controversies

Scientology

In 1995 members of the Church of Scientology caused a raid on the servers of Dutch Internet provider XS4ALL as part of a bigger conflict with its online critics and sued it and Karin Spaink for copyright violations because of citing out of some confidential materials of Scientology. There followed a summary judgment in 1995, full proceedings in 1999, an appeal in 2001 which has been upheld by the Supreme Court of Netherlands in December 2005, all in favor of the provider and Karin Spaink, putting freedom of speech above copyright in some cases.

Station B92

In December 1996, XS4ALL put the Belgrade radio station B92 online using streaming audio technology in response to the jamming of its broadcasts by the regime of Slobodan Miloševi?. XS4ALL installed a leased line to the radio station in response to a request from Adrienne van Heteren, a Dutch citizen who went to Belgrade to set up various cultural activities. After XS4ALL had launched the online broadcast of Radio B92, its signal was picked up by the Voice of America and transmitted back into Serbia.

Radikal Magazine

In September 1996, members of the German Internet Content Task Force (ICTF) blocked XS4ALL for about a month because one of its subscribers had put an issue of Radikal Magazine on his homepage. Radikal is illegal in Germany, and to prevent its publication the German Bundesanwaltschaft (prosecutor's office) ordered commercial ISPs in Germany to block its website. They ended up blocking the entire XS4ALL site, which at the time had about 6,000 personal and commercial homepages. XS4ALL insisted that the case to be settled by the courts, because it did not want to infringe on its customers' rights of free expression; however, the requests to follow traditional legal paths were ignored by the German ICTF.

On April 11, 1997, one of the biggest German ISPs, the DFN academic backbone network, started an IP-filtering blockade against XS4ALL. Many protest letters were sent, mirrors were once again set up around the world, and the complete issue of radikal 154 was posted in the newsgroup de.soc.zensur. As a result, the blockade only lasted a few days. The founders of XS4ALL were interrogated as suspects of publication of terrorist propaganda, but no legal actions were initiated against them. XS4ALL then implemented several technologies to sabotage the censorship attempt, such as automatically rotating the IP address of its website. The ICTF ended up censoring all IP traffic to the XS4ALL domain, including e-mail. After a couple of weeks this became untenable; a global protest against the censorship emerged, and a global network of mirror sites was created by the online community. The ICTF abandoned its efforts after several weeks.

Corporate culture

In December 1998, XS4ALL was sold to the Dutch incumbent phone company KPN, but it has nonetheless kept its unique character and identity. Many of the original employees, especially system managers, still work there.

XS4ALL also sponsors and hosts the sites of many Free Software projects, like Python, Squirrelmail and Debian.

External links

    * http://www.xs4all.nl/ (http://www.xs4all.nl/)
    * http://www.xs4all.nl/uk/overxs4all/geschiedenis/ (http://www.xs4all.nl/uk/overxs4all/geschiedenis/)
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: ZenAgent on August 14, 2007, 12:00:57 AM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
SOOooooo Brilliant, Zen!  Did my heart good to read it!   :tup:  :tup:  :tup:  :tup:


Thanks everyone, I appreciate the kind words.  I was stewing in Sue-hate after watching the TB documentary, and I boiled to the point of needing to de-pressurize.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Joyce Harris on August 14, 2007, 12:08:02 AM
Zen Agent,
I too have read the WWASP vs PURE transcripts; and I have often wondered what  Sue Scheff "supporters" thought as they sat in that court room; or later read these transcripts and came to the realization that the person they once trusted was an admitted LIAR?

Sue Scheff admitted in her trial testimony that she had LIED about having a college degree.   Who would lie about such a thing as one's educational achievements?

Sue Scheff admitted in her trial testimony that she LIED about her own credentials; and about her own work background.  Did her "friends" simply  conclude that Scheff  being an admitted LIAR was acceptable?

YET, if I would "DARE" state that Sue Scheff has "lied" about me in her WHITMORE BLOGS---oops, I might receive another letter from her fine attorney Mr. David Pollack; possibly threatening me  with a lawsuit for speaking ill of his client, Ms. Susan Scheff.  Therefore, since I don't desire to get mail from Mr. Pollack, I just wouldn't dare insinuate that  Ms. Susan Scheff was a "liar."

But, Sue Scheff admitted several times in the WWASP vs PURE transcripts, that yes--she has  in fact told lies about her educational background, her work background, credentials that she claimed to have, professionals that she claimed to have on the PURE staff.

I personally don't have any friends who would continue supporting me; if I was an admitted LIAR.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Antigen on August 16, 2007, 12:47:13 PM
Catching up here...

First and foremost, thanks to our crack volunteer tech team for their tireless effort and top notch results and to all the friends and supporters who helped research new hosting providers and provided other kinds of support. We couldn't do it without you and what would be the point? The entire value of this silly little ODD website derives from your interest and contributions. And, lest I be remiss or we all forget, my sincere thanks to those program proponents who have been brave (or foolish) enough to stand your ground and try your ideas outside of the controlled cultic structure of your various support groups and seminars. I mean that. Without opposition, this whole thing would be about as much fun as playing with dead puppies. So keep it comin!

And thanks to the trolls, too. Sorry but I have to part ways with the majority on this one. There's room for and need of comic relief, sharp satire and, often enough, outrage and vitriol. If you read these fora for awhile and not lost your temper from time to time, check your pulse! As outrageous as some of the content here may be by "normal" standards, it doesn't even come close to the level of emotional abuse inflicted on roughly 50 - 100 thousand helpless teens, pre-teens and young adults held captive on any given day by the very people who so frequently go crying to the courts or the media or their various support groups over being called bad names in text (sometimes video) on the net. Suck it up! Sometimes people need to vent and, trust me, you wouldn't want to trade places with any of us!

Besides, it can be very therapeutic to laugh at the devil sometimes.

Finally, I'm not too worried about having the site back in the US. We actually do have a right to free speech so long as the people involved are willing to claim and defend that right. As a matter of fact, I would rather stand and fight here at home if we can ally ourselves with others willing to defend our 1st Amendment rights. Here's the whole thing:
Quote from: ""The Anti-Federalists, insisting on a Bill of Rights as a condition of their joining the Federation""
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Note that freedom of speech comes second to freedom of mind. And that's what this fight is really all about. I'm ashamed of my country in some regards today. It seems we've reached a point where the cult of control has enough sway in business and the public sector to almost shut down dissent. I cannot, in good conscience, leave a mess like this for my kids and eventual grand kids to clean up.

Onward!
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Ursus on August 16, 2007, 01:02:51 PM
So where did we finally park our sorry tired asses? :lol:
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 01:03:51 PM
Seems to me that Sue Scheff and Isabelle Zehnder, the apparent force behind the complaints, are hypocrites extraordinare OR they are delusional and believe only they can express an opinion (vis a vis a gazillion blogs) and everyone else can STFU.

Glad to see Fornits is back online.  Any further attempts to silence Fornits should prompt serious consideration of a lawsuit filed against the perpetrators, IMO, to put this issue to bed, once and for all.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Antigen on August 16, 2007, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Seems to me that Sue Scheff and Isabelle Zehnder, the apparent force behind the complaints, are hypocrites extraordinare OR they are delusional and believe only they can express an opinion (vis a vis a gazillion blogs) and everyone else can STFU.

Glad to see Fornits is back online.  Any further attempts to silence Fornits should prompt serious consideration of a lawsuit filed against the perpetrators, IMO, to put this issue to bed, once and for all.


Believe me, serious consideration is being given to the idea. That's all I'll say about that now. Waiting to talk w/ our new gracious host about cross promotion.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 03:15:08 PM
what sue-sue will come to figure out...is that FORNITS knows how to adapt and diversify its methods of spreading the truth.

FORNITS isn't just a website; it's an idea.

You can't kill an idea.  It'll just keep popping up, like one of those bumps in the carpet...

http://www.isaccorp.org/whitmore/jharris.pdf (http://www.isaccorp.org/whitmore/jharris.pdf)
http://www.sueschefftruth.com (http://www.sueschefftruth.com)
http://www.nowpublic.com/sue-scheff-pure-sued (http://www.nowpublic.com/sue-scheff-pure-sued)
http://www.nowpublic.com/sue-scheffs-undocumented-case (http://www.nowpublic.com/sue-scheffs-undocumented-case)
http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... itstart=20 (http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=26&func=view&id=228&catid=4&limit=10&limitstart=20)
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/2 ... 267011.htm (http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/267/RipOff0267011.htm)
http://suescheffvcareybock.blogspot.com/ (http://suescheffvcareybock.blogspot.com/)
http://www.netscape.com/tag/sue+scheff (http://www.netscape.com/tag/sue+scheff)
http://sueschefftruth.com/?p=8 (http://sueschefftruth.com/?p=8)
http://www.hugg.com/taxonomy/term/1155 (http://www.hugg.com/taxonomy/term/1155)
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http://claimid.com/realsuescheff (http://claimid.com/realsuescheff)
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http://www.corank.com/tech/tag/Sue%20Scheff (http://www.corank.com/tech/tag/Sue%20Scheff)
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http://www.stumbleupon.com/tag/sue-scheff (http://www.stumbleupon.com/tag/sue-scheff)
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http://reddit.com/search?q=%22Sue+Scheff%22 (http://reddit.com/search?q=%22Sue+Scheff%22)
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http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thr ... forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653572&mc=20&forum_id=2)
http://www.care2.com/news/member/847797324/451087 (http://www.care2.com/news/member/847797324/451087)
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thr ... forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=671777&mc=3&forum_id=2)
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http://www.digg.com/health/Nightmare_Ac ... Sue_Scheff (http://www.digg.com/health/Nightmare_Academy_Green_vs_FPA_Sue_Scheff)
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http://www.xomba.com/tags/sue_scheff (http://www.xomba.com/tags/sue_scheff)
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thr ... forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=671777&mc=3&forum_id=2)
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thr ... forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=671777&mc=3&forum_id=2)
http://bloggerproxy.info/proxy-11575.htm (http://bloggerproxy.info/proxy-11575.htm)
http://www.isaccorp.org/pressreleases/s ... ctory.html (http://www.isaccorp.org/pressreleases/suescheffemptyvictory.html)
http://sueschefffornits.blogspot.com (http://sueschefffornits.blogspot.com)
http://www.digg.com/health/Nightmare_Ac ... Sue_Scheff (http://www.digg.com/health/Nightmare_Academy_Green_vs_FPA_Sue_Scheff)
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Sue_S ... s_Horrific (http://digg.com/political_opinion/Sue_Scheff_PURE_and_Others_Accused_of_Fraud_by_Florida_Parents_Horrific)
http://reddit.com/info/2et1a/comments (http://reddit.com/info/2et1a/comments)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p= ... 8c7165f009 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=276944&sid=3d85e55b5a87b8dc2d93278c7165f009)

http://politics.netscape.com/story/2007 ... -to-censor (http://politics.netscape.com/story/2007/08/15/the-strange-story-sue-scheff-reputation-defender-want-to-censor)
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http://www.cyroxos.net/articles/Sue.php (http://www.cyroxos.net/articles/Sue.php)
http://www.corank.com/tech/story/carey- ... Sue-Scheff (http://www.corank.com/tech/story/carey-Bock-v-Sue-Scheff)
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Antigen on August 17, 2007, 02:26:46 PM
Here's one thing you all can do to help.

Look around in these fora and out on the net for past media coverage related to the industry, especially coverage specifically related to Lichfield, Sembler or any of the companies to which PURE/Sue refer people. Then contact the publications or journalists and tip them off that there are new developments in the story. Who was it that gave such great coverage of the story about Randal Hinton trying to take over that closed military school somewhere in Mo? Or how about the Martin Lee Anderson story. Some journalists, other than Maia, at least mentioned the connections w/ FDLE and DFAF. That's Mel Sembler.

See, Sue and Reputation Defender are trying to frame the issue asif it were the silly, off color content that they're trying to obfuscate. I don't buy that for a minute. If that were the case, they'd be all over all those dormant myspace pages. Let's see if we can get in touch with journalists who have already shown an interest in the topic and see if they want to cover the latest developments.
Title: SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 17, 2007, 02:29:57 PM
Excellent idea.  I'm figuring out now who to contact down here at the Times re: this.


http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22844 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22844)