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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Truth Searcher on June 09, 2007, 11:44:15 AM
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Seems that Struggling Teens are back in the forum business. Seems they are only allowing a select few back into the fold. Seems I am not among the elect. I was welcomed back with the following message:
Sorry, either your membership has not yet been approved or the board administrators have removed your ability to post to this board. We cannot allow you to perform this action as a result.
Well now ... this is interesting.
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You'll have to learn the secret handshake...
I was attempting to have a discussion on another forum with a pro-program parent (troll, I suspect) who clammed up when she couldn't answer the questions put to her, and she said she would sign off, and what a shame, she thought both sides should be represented, and weren't we awful with our agenda, blah, blah, blah... She also called the stories kids were posting about PV to be "too extreme to be believable". Nice thing to tell a survivor who's having to remember traumatic details, I thought it was geared toward bullying them into retreating.
As I reminded her, nobody said she couldn't post, there would be no banning, but if she wanted to state her case, she'd better be willing to engage in some discussion with parents and survivors who don't have the same opinion and our sharing their experiences. The point being, she was welcome to post until she turned blue in the face, nobody would deny her that right.
Pro-industry forums and Peninsula Village's parent forum (which is invite only, heavily moderated and pro-PV to manic pitch) won't allow contradicting opinions, not for long, anyway. Lon and that lot may find Fornits "extreme", but his folks have trolled here for ages, Ginger wants everyone to have access, which is why even the staunchest programees can't stay away - they're drawn to troll, and in some cases, they're enlightened and soften their positions. All praise to Ginger, and a rigid, full-thrust middle finger salute to the Nazis of ST.
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RAID !!!
I'm betting Karen is banned, as probably is exhausted, and Anne, and probably anybody who "migrated" to Struggling Parents. He is "rebooting" his forum. I planned for this.
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Who cares?
Why do you people obsess over this obscure website?
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because they CLAIMED to give the parent an "objective" view of the programs. While in reality they were censoring information to the parents to view programs in a positive light. Even in one parent is swayed by this website.. another child is sent to an abusive program in an unregulated industry.
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seems like Jena is still on vacation actually...
http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi (http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi)
Edit: Truth Searcher, You might want to logout. If you are still logged in, that could explain the message you are getting.
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I am banned too
::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::huh::
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Who cares?
Why do you people obsess over this obscure website?
Really, man...
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I have also been banned.
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are you sure you guys are banned? I still get this message:
"The StrugglingTeens discussion forum has been closed while Jena is traveling. Due to childish bickering, the board is no longer safe for parents. Please check back soon to see if Jena can come up with any ground rules that can make it focus on parent support rather than drama. -Lon"
try logging out.
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No longer safe for parents??! That's just plain silly. When is an open, honest, meaningful debate, on a topic of interest to all, ever "not safe"?
I'd sure like to discuss this with Lon - but I guess he has had enough inconvenient truth, and doesn't want any more.
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are you sure you guys are banned? I still get this message:
"The StrugglingTeens discussion forum has been closed while Jena is traveling. Due to childish bickering, the board is no longer safe for parents. Please check back soon to see if Jena can come up with any ground rules that can make it focus on parent support rather than drama. -Lon"
try logging out.
You can't access the forum but you can login. When I tried logging in, it said either your membership has not yet been approved or you are banned.
I have been an ST member for a couple years so my membership was approved way long ago so I am obviously banned.
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They are not very techically savvy over there, so they may have people banned that they don't intend to ban. I would think they would at least send an email to those of us who made the forum "unsafe" and acted like "children" telling us that we are banned or what the rules will be for our release from time-out.
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They are not very techically savvy over there, so they may have people banned that they don't intend to ban. I would think they would at least send an email to those of us who made the forum "unsafe" and acted like "children" telling us that we are banned or what the rules will be for our release from time-out.
The disclaimer has changed... Jena is no longer on vacation (that story was losing plausibility anyway)... Instead... :
"The StrugglingTeens discussion forum is temporarily closed. Due to childish bickering and manipulative hidden agendas, the board became unsafe for parents. Please check back soon to see what ground rules we can come with that can make it focus on parent support rather than drama. -Lon"
Well. For once I agree (partially) with Lon. The board was closed due to manipulative hidden agendas. ( Please folks. Let's keep the focus on helping the parents. We aren't interested in making money here... that isn't a concern at all... Let's stay positive)
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Speaking of hidden manipulative agendas, it would've been nice to see a little more honesty from Lon -- something like "the board became unsafe for profits."
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The Struggling People forum is way better, that's probably what concerns Lon. The possibility that the ST forum has lost it's usefulness.
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The Struggling People forum is way better, that's probably what concerns Lon. The possibility that the ST forum has lost it's usefulness.
That was the idea. Lon will not resurrect the forum successfully, and if he tries, he will end up doing himself more damage than anything else. I know Lon reads this, so he should consider this fair warning.
This piece of "internet trash" fights back.
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This piece of "internet trash" fights back.
Please tell me that Lon did not write those words to you or about you.
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This piece of "internet trash" fights back.
Please tell me that Lon did not write those words to you or about you.
No. Jena did :D
Oh, the email-debate with Lon and Jena I posted on here was quite interesting.
First time they banned me (including reasons and debate):
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=20523 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=20523)
Second time they banned me (including reasons and debate)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21515 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21515)
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Still closed... :rofl:
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I have tried emailing Jena several times. I get no response. I had been an active member there for over three years.
Guess I'm really banned. I suppose it would be a waste of time to register under a new name. I'm sure they'll compare IP addys. Oh well. What can ya do?
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What part of "forum's closed" don't you get, TS?
Everybody is really banned.
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I guess I didn't get the 'forums closed' part. LOL.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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a lot of the pro pv alumni over on myspace are not a very good advertisement really
when i said the pro pv alumni over on myspace were foulmouthed critters, i did not mean they were swearing
it's one thing to use foul language as an adjective or an explanitive, it's another thing to use it as a verb
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Remember when they banned me for being "abusive for parents"?
And said ST is for "a safe place to support parents" and only that, not to speak the truth or help kids?
Yeah...