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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 22, 2007, 09:52:27 PM
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It is obvious to see that many of the people that are posting comments on this website are currently students or still young males and/or females that have recently left.
As a graduate of the Bath campus I can relate to a majority of what has been said; though, you must also remember that if people that have not yet had the "Hyde experience" come to this blog to find out what may occur they will, by no means, take someone who uses vulgar language or incorrect spelling seriously. I understand that current students or students who have recently left are, for the most part, not unintelliegent people, but a retaliatory student is easy to spot and difficult to take seriously. If you want to make a difference and prevent more of the negative occurences some have already experienced, be smart about it. Please.
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Might I humbly, and I do mean most very humbly, suggest another take on this?
Sometimes people are not quite at the point yet where they are ready to engage in "conversation" about their experience. It is obvious that some person is pretty pissed off at the place, undoubtedly for good reason.
I've lived a good long time mulling over what happened to me, and have quite a number of working conclusions I've drawn about my experience. I'd be hard pressed to have been able to do this when I first left. In fact, I don't think I could have understood it as anything other than an ill-defined rage.
While I can unequivocally "relate" to your post, perhaps a kinder solution would be for other posters to chime in a little more? We have quite a large readership here that does not post, or posts but rarely.
::peace::
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I think that one of the most helpful things this board can do isto act as an open, unrestricted, un-moderated forum to allow people to express their thought, feelings, relate experiences and to connect with others who have shared similar experiences. The form in which that is going to happen will vary greatly from person to person. To begin to set forth limitations on that would in my opinion be a mistake, especially the spelling part.
As for swearing?
The Core Rules of Netiquette are excerpted from the book Netiquette by Virginia Shea.
“Q. Is swearing acceptable on the net?
Only in those areas where sewage is considered an art form, . . . Usually, if you feel that cursing in some form is required, it's preferable to use amusing euphemisms like "effing" and "sugar." You may also use the classic asterisk filler -- for example, s***. ”
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule5.html (http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule5.html)
So I guess if you are going to swear you should be good at it. ::drummer::
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Somewhere on Fornits is an absolutely brilliant post re. that latter subject you touch on. If I can find it later, I'll be sure to add it in here. Personally, I do find there are circumstances and sentiments which practically require profanity! ::seg:: To overuse it, however, dilutes the oomph-factor too much for my purposes.
Cool avatar, Surfer Mouse! :tup:
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Okay... found the post, here it is...
Please do keep in mind, I hold the OP's comments with utmost respect, I just prefer to respectfully temper them a wee bit with the following sage sentiments:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=20633&start=15 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=20633&start=15)
My experience of hot-button discussions is that people only give a fuck about your fucking language when they're fucking losing the fucking debate.
It's the "Hi, I'm a concerned parent" verzhun uf the intirnet speling flaim.
I'm a parent too. I rarely use vulgar language in front of children. If I've just stubbed my toe, or whacked my thumb with a hammer, though, all bets are off.
The entire world doesn't get censored to Disney cartoon standards because there are little kids who live in the world. Little kids do not read Fornits--they'd find it boring as hell.
The language flamers know this---they're just program parents (or owners, or staff) who know they've lost the debate and are grasping at straws.
On the other hand, emphatic language has major communication value if you do it right--which is another reason why the program parents (or owners, or staff) jump on "vulgarity" and hammer it.
Again, internet version of a spelling flame.
I'm a professional author--a bestselling one. I can express myself with or without any handful of words you can name (besides the basic essentials of the English language, of course). I also have a pretty damned good idea of what language is most persuasive in a particular argument to a particular audience.
Vulgar words are just more colors and shades and hues in my paintbox, waiting for the printed page.
The Program begs to be discussed in vulgar and even obscene language, because it is a vulgar, obscene, monstrously abusive industry. There is no language more vulgar and obscene than the reality of the Program itself.
I say "The Program" because there really is only one--it simply has different lace, sequins, brocades and trims stitched over the ugly reality in its different incarnations----putting pig shit in a satin hat box---to make it appear more palatable.
We middle-aged old fogies criticize potty-mouthed comedians saying, "They just use bad language to shock people."
Does my language when I discuss the Program sometimes shock people? Then they damned well need to be shocked, because the Program itself is a more horrific obscenity than any mere word I or anyone else could ever utter.
If reading the word "fuck" shakes some parent or out of his complacency long enough to get his kid out of the program and back home where he can get competent, ethical help, then I will fucking say the fucking word until the fucking cows come home.
Do I think that vulgar language actually makes people more likely to be persuaded by my arguments? Used right, I damn well know it does. Why? Because it's my job and I'm good at it.
So let's all get over the language red herring. I read what others write on Fornits. People may bitch about it, but they do notice it---and they notice many of those posts more than if the very same thing had been said in insipid, dulcet tones sans all those nasty words. In fighting the Program, the harsh language on Fornits usually does more good than harm. By a longshot.
Vulgarity? It has its place, and this is it.
Julie Cochrane
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...And yet one more additional valid sentiment:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -Evelyn Beatrice Hall (1868-1919)
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“Let us swear while we may, for in heaven it will not be allowed”
Mark Twain
International Cursing & Swearing Dictionary
http://www.vnutz.com/content/cursing_dictionary (http://www.vnutz.com/content/cursing_dictionary)
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The foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing is a vice so
mean and low that every person of sense and character detests and despises it.
How to Stop Swearing
http://www.wikihow.com/Stop-Swearing (http://www.wikihow.com/Stop-Swearing)
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Hey if you want to stop swearing just join the Mormons. They just don't allow that kind of fucking shit. No drinking or smoking or coffee or coca cola, so you can just kiss at that motherfucking shit good by. You would think that they are just a bunch of tight ass assholes but the Mormons I know are alright except they bitch at me sometimes for some of the shit I fucking say around them. But what the fuck. No one is fucking perfect. I think they are ok with pork though. It is a god damn fucking good thing. No one is gonna tell me I can't have a fucking BTL. Ya' know what I mean?
Ben Zona
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Hey if you want to stop swearing just join the Mormons. They just don't allow that kind of language . No drinking or smoking or coffee or coca cola, so you can just kiss all that superfluous nonsense good bye. You would think that they are just a bunch of ridge sticks in the mud, but the Mormons I know are alright except they complain when people use foul language. But what the hey? No one is perfect. I think they are ok with pork though. It is a darn good thing. No one is gonna tell me I can't have a yummie BTL. Ya' know what I mean?
Ben Zona, Mormon convert
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Hi,
I am Ben's brother. I am sorry but Ben has been off his meds and I am afraid that he may have said some awful things on this board. We were hoping that sending him to Hyde would help out, but he just seems worse. I promise to keep an eye on him and restrict his internet access to after he has had his Haldol. I apologize again, some time he says scary even violent things but he is actually quite passive, which oddly is part of his problem. Some time he pretends to be two different people post on a board and he answers his own posts. Some times he does this by posing as two brothers.
Ari Zona
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My brother Ari is having some issues. Please disregard his statements. Especially the stuff about hitting my self with the ridding crop while wearing mother's house dress. It really is not true.
Ben Zona
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Hey if you want to stop swearing just join the Mormons. They just don't allow that kind of fucking shit. No drinking or smoking or coffee or coca cola, so you can just kiss at that motherfucking shit good by...
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My brother Ari is having some issues. Please disregard his statements. Especially the stuff about hitting my self with the ridding crop while wearing mother's house dress. It really is not true.
Ben Zona
Just what are you trying to get rid of?
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My brother Ari is having some issues. Please disregard his statements. Especially the stuff about hitting my self with the ridding crop while wearing mother's house dress. It really is not true.
Ben Zona
Just what are you trying to get rid of?
Some people like to go out dancing
and other people like us, we gotta work
And there's even some evil mothers
they're gonna tell you that everything is just dirt
And you know that women never really faint
and that villains always blink their eyes
That children are the only ones who blush
and that life is just to die
Anyone who ever had a heart
and wouldn't turn around and break it
Anyone who ever played a part
and wouldn't turn around and hate it
Sweet Jane, Sweet Jane, etc.
Sweet Jane, oh honey, Sweet Jane
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Nonsense belongs under "Dry Bones."
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Dry Bones isn't nonsense...
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'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"
He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought—
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.
And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.
"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
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Moon River, wider than a mile,
I'm crossing you in style some day.
Oh, dream maker, you heart breaker,
Wherever you're going I'm going your way.
Two drifters off to see the world;
There's such a lot of world to see.
We're after the same rainbow's end,
Waiting 'round the bend,
My huckleberry friend,
Moon River and me.
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Mefager
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Mercer would go collect huckleberries with friends along the river.
I will be in front of the Mercer House on Monterey Square a week from right now. I usually sit in the SW corner of the square. I will meet you there and we can go pick huckleberries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercer_House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercer_House)
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B
Forefather pointed to kingdom come
F#
Sadly told his only son
A
Just be careful what you do
"Robbie Lick"
It all comes back on you.
False witness spread the news
Somebody's gonna lose
Either she or me or you,
Nothing we can do.
(Chorus)
A E
Don't you say a word
A E
Or reveal a thing you've learned
A G#m C#m
Time will tell you well
F#m A B
If you truly, truly fell
Tarred and feathered, yea!
Thistles and thorns,
One or the other
He kindly warns.
Now you look out the window tell me
What do you see?
I see a golden calf pointing
Back at me.
I been sitting in here for so darn long
Waitin' for the end to come along.
Holy roaster on the brink
Take a chance, swim or sink.
False witness, cast an evil eye
said I cannot tell a lie,
Haints and saints don't bother me
I'm not alone you see.
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Crash on the levee, mama,
Water's gonna overflow,
Swamp's gonna rise,
No boat's gonna row.
Now, you can train on down
To Williams Point,
You can bust your feet,
You can rock this joint.
But oh mama, ain't you gonna miss your best friend now?
You're gonna have to find yourself
Another best friend, somehow.
Now, don't you try an' move me,
You're just gonna lose.
There's a crash on the levee
And, mama, you've been refused.
Well, it's sugar for sugar
And salt for salt,
If you go down in the flood,
It's gonna be your own fault.
Oh mama, ain't you gonna miss your best friend now?
You're gonna have to find yourself
Another best friend, somehow.
Well, that high tide's risin',
Mama, don't you let me down.
Pack up your suitcase,
Mama, don't you make a sound.
Now, it's king for king,
Queen for queen,
It's gonna be the meanest flood
That anybody's seen.
Oh mama, ain't you gonna miss your best friend now?
Yes, you're gonna have to find yourself
Another best friend, somehow.