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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 18, 2007, 01:20:20 AM
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Daughter, 13, has anarexia, very stubborn in regards to following her treatment plan, disrespectful to authority figures, getting involved with unfavorable peers, etc.
Would wilderness be a good option for such a situation?
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well she'd loose alot of weight!
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Can someome put up some links to those kids who died of starvation and overwork up
or those posts that describe suviving wilderness
your daughter might be happy that the process of starving to death is gonna be moved along
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You know, I actually laughed when I read the title of this topic on the board. That's how ironic it sounded.
I think sending an anorexic to wilderness makes about as much sense as leaving an overweight, prone to heat-stroke kid such as Ian August in the baking sun and let him dehydrate and die, which he did. (Skyline Journey. Just ask Deborah.)
If you are legit and not a troll, (and I'm sure Milk will be putting his troll meter up in no time), think about this... even if she is given a reasonable amount of food per day on wilderness and she does indeed eat it, she will be burning it off incredibly quickly, and she is starting with next to nothing right now. Chances are, she won't eat it. She's not eating in the comfort of her home, why would she eat out in the woods, totally uncomfortable, and totally pissed off at you?
Regardless of how legitimate the wilderness school may say it is, she is anorexic. As it stands now, she doesn't have the sustenance or nourishment to climb a hill or rappel down a cliff, and she certainly won't get it in enough time to hack it in wilderness, which almost always requires unusually strenuous exercise that is most often pointless.
Let me put it this way. If you want to risk your daughter's life.. go for it. Depending on how far along her anorexia is, she won't make it. Even healthy kids have been on these treks and have died. Do you actually think someone who was malnourished would?
Anorexia is only something that can be treated if the person with the condition wants treatment. If she doesn't want it, or she doesn't want to follow her treatment plan, she won't. That's just the way it is. Works the same way with substance abuse. Ana is like addiction, as a few of my friends who have suffered from it have described to me. It makes you feel high and in control. (Note: I definitely do not suggest 12 step to help with this problem, or any problem, for that matter.)
As for being disrespectful to authority and getting involved with unfavorable peers... well... welcome to having a teenage daughter.
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I have to say, being disrespectful to authority figures and hanging out with kids that you don't like is not "pathology" its a choice or personality.Therefore, you are looking to wilderness not for treatment of sickness but as cosmetic brain surgery.
Its not fair to try to wipe out elements of a personality you don’t like. You’re not creating your ultimate buddy. You want to let her develop a healthy, human, and individual brain, not one custom tailored to your desires. Babies can be fidgety, young adults and adults may be ornery.
Further, Perception of those characteristics is a subjective. There is no "disrespectful" or "undesirable peer" measurement system that has scientific accuracy, as there is one for cancer or asbestos.
The perception of those characteristics may be inaccurate. Further, those characteristics may be reactionary to disrespect she is receiving at home. To wit, they might not be "problems" but reactions to problems.
I don’t know if you are a real person or a fake. But sending anyone, for any reason, on a forced march is not therapeutic. The Jews went on a forced march. The Native Americans went on a forced march. Neither group was much fond of it nor would they relate it as a "healing" experience. It is, in fact, traumatizing, potentially deadly ,or permanently injurious experience of abduction, false imprisonment, slavery, and finding out first hand what it is to be reduced to a steer. It is an Orwellian nightmare. Having your own mother do this is an Orwellian nightmare meets "flowers in the attic" maternal betrayal. It causes alienation from society, the family, the self and mental damage. Kudos to the Nazis and the Americans, for lacking the perversity to call this violation "therapeutic" and charging their respective victims' families for the "help"
You are creating a personalized Trail Of Tears for a 13 year old girl.
You don’t have to be a genius to figure out that WP is snake oil.
There have been NO studies that show this does anything other than HURT young people placed in them.
Think about it for yourself, you are abducted by some goons who "force" you to hike for ....months? 6 months? How do you think the "forcing" is done? Its through
1)physical violence, both by staff, who have nothing more than high school diplomas-if that and other kids forced into this program.
.2)FOOD DENIAL.
3) Forced exercise in addition to the march
4) Deprivation of equipment like blankets or tents,
5) Forced public nudity,
6) Group violence ,physical and emotional. IE. "Jane" wont march everyone do an extra thirty jumping jacks. Now tell her what you think of her". Now show her what you think of her. Your daughter will literally be dragged up a mountain by other children if it came to that. Your daughter will be the victim of violent crime
7) Staff emotional abuse IE "Jane why are you such an ugly hoar?" You can count on the staff making fun of her body at some point while she's there.
8) Isolation
9) Denial of water or clean water
These are just some highlights. It wouldnt be OK for u and it wouldnt be Ok for her
Also, all wilderness has a strip search component upon entering which would be especially damaging to a girl who has body issues.. These are just some highlights.
As an anorexic this is especially dangerous for her physically as her body is weakened and physiologically unbalanced and brittle. Her body can only be injured by this experince. Strenuous exercise where she is not allowed to stop participating if she gets tired could quite easily kill her. It’s killed perfectly healthy kids in large numbers. And if they do kill her, they will BLAME you for putting her on this trip with a "pre-existing" condition
Her death will be referred to as part of the "window of loss"
If any "professional" recommended wilderness for her, I suggest you find a lawyer and sue for endangerment. I’ve never heard of anything so irresponsible!
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As an anorexic this is especially dangerous for her physically as her body is weakened and physiologically unbalanced and brittle. Her body can only be injured by this experince. Strenuous exercise where she is not allowed to stop participating if she gets tired could quite easily kill her.
Consider the real reason a wilderness school has for recommending such a course of action in light of the above (your daughter's anorexia)... They're not in it for the love of your daughter. They're in it to make money, at any cost.
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i call troll
only a stupid idiot would send an ANOREXIC to a wilderness program.
ANOREXIC ppl need hospitalization NOT wilderness programs
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i call troll
I'm leaning towards your side as well. The thread title seemed so absurd to me I laughed my ass off, thinking it was a joke.
Let me put it this way... I HOPE it's a troll. Because if there really is a parent out there who wants to send an anorexic 13 year old to wilderness..... *shivers*
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I'm officially hijacking this thread.
Assignment:
Come up with your own troll post requesting help for your teen, and put it here.
Extra brownie points for absurdity.
So far, the leader is the thread-starter.
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[troll9]
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My dearly beloved daughter, Lulu, is dating a black man. Now I'm not a racist sort, but we all know them black fellows come to a bad end. I just don't want my precious Lulu to have her future put on hold for a boyfriend serving time for getting caught with crack cocaine.
Please help my daughter get back on track. I want her to be the darling of the ball this coming spring at her coming of age party. Dear me I must recharge my fortitude with another glass of mint julipeps. To elaborate on the boorishness of this vulgar creature that my dear Lulu sees fit to call her "Snoogies", I want to make it known that just yesterday I spotted him at the local Piggly Wiggly with a group of his hooligan friends.
I drove by with my eyes facing forward, and my windows rolled up. However, this despicable creature tried to flag down my Lexus by pointing repeatedly to the rear of my vehicle. I stamped upon the gas pedal and managed to escape the ravages of his ponderous girth. It was only later when I returned to my lovely little estate that I discovered that I had forgotten to put the cap back on my gas tank.
Dear me I nearly swooned at the very discovery!
What I want for my Lulu is a place to keep her away from that vile thing! She will need a great deal of help coming to find herself so that she understands that her place is of course at Vassar. Upon graduation I only hope my daughter will see fit to marry a very rich, and very white young man of a proper family. I might be flexible and let her marry a jew if he is rich enough.
Please help me find a place that will keep my Darling Lulu away from the predations of that black creature!
Lols.. sorry I know I said I was fucking off for awhile to heal up, but this was just to good of an opprotunity to pass up.
enjoy..
TSW
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Gookie, that was fucking brilliant. You had me cackling like a hyena I was laughing so hard.
Feel better, bro!
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My daughter is dating a Puerto Rican man and plans to have a shitload of impure children! Help!!!!!
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My daughter is an intelectually gifted, musical prodigy. She has been targeted by labels for future projects and seems to have alot ahead of her.
Unfortunetly, she is extradinarily emotioanll frail and sensitive!
She is a constant target of bullies at school and it hurts her so much it drives the life out of her! She is unsure and does not like herself.
She has a pre-existing medical condition that makes her paritulary physically frail and MAY NOT particpate in physically taxing activity.
I would like a therputic boarding school where she can learn how special and wonderful she really is!
Where her intelectual gifts will be nurtured with an exceptional education program!
Where her musical gifts are benifited by a progressive arts program where her "individual voice" and ideas can develop!
A place with top of the line, academically accomplished profesionals.
She can not be involved with physically taxing labor and with her disability needs an individualized pe activity
Most importatly, she needs an environment where she will be treated with special sensitivity, respect, and tenderness by her teachers and fellow students as she is so emotionally frail and soft. Perhaps a tbs that has a structure set up so that "bullying" "cliquing" is actively extinguished
I have heard excellent things about Elan!
I feel she is paricularly vulnerable emotioanlly right now as she has just been raped, her father has died, , and we have a history of suicide in our family.
All that keeps her going right now is her dedication to her art, her small buy very bonded group of freinds, and that one thing could just "break her".
So I know she needs to be abducted taken to a mysterious "school" that promises to do something "mysterious" that will fix her, but not fix her, becasue no one is broken ,and everyone is differnt so they cant be held responsoble for the outcome as all they do is provide tools. Also if she drops dead while their its not their fault. All of this sounds perfectly reasonable to.
brain deadily, abusively,mentally illily,
program parent
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My son is a gay. Is there some place I can send him to be fixed?
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My son is a gay. Is there some place I can send him to be fixed?
Sorry, 80s era RMA no longer exists. You'll have to settle for a jesus-freak establishment.
sick of child torture girl, your kid is a perfect candidate for King George.
Sincerely,
CEDU pimp
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Daughter, 13, has anarexia, very stubborn in regards to following her treatment plan, disrespectful to authority figures, getting involved with unfavorable peers, etc.
Would wilderness be a good option for such a situation?
In other words, you're a fucking controlling bitch of a mother, you can't take it when she talks back even though you and other controlling authority fucks deserve it, you don't like it when she gets out of your control by picking other kids to hang out with that understand why she hates you, etc. Why does your daughter have anorexia? Because you suck as a mother. Why don't you go on a wilderness retreat and get lost, that's my advice for your daughter's best success.
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*YAWN*
It's amazing the lengths to which some people will go.
:roll:
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Please stop making light of our situation.
I have been in contact with a Karen from Dallas an she reccemended I hire an independent educational consultant.
Do any of you know any good independent educational consultants?
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I hear Sue Scheff does excellent work.
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Daughter, 13, has anarexia, very stubborn in regards to following her treatment plan, disrespectful to authority figures, getting involved with unfavorable peers, etc.
Would wilderness be a good option for such a situation?
IF you're not a troll.. read this:
http://www.63days.com/ (http://www.63days.com/)
Read what happened to the girl with Anorexia.
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if u r not a troll pm me(a troll is someone like karen who posts here pretending to be a parent, she also recieves $ from the places she sends kids to, im suprised she still hangs around)
I also suggest you visit Cafety and speak to Kat, ask for her And theyll refer you. There is a CERTIFIED, ACCREDITIED docter who works with Cafety who can help you.
No one from "rtc's" can offer that becasue no evidence has ever been found that these places do antything more than hurt children so real Drs dont associate with them for the most part
...actually there is a Dr here dysfunciton Junction. PM him
also visit Isac
also visit Heal and speak to Angela
they will give you the lowdown on the snake oil these folk peddle
Basically these places inflict brain damage with techniques aquired from cults like synanon and Lifestep(sp), combine them with tecniques adapted from totalitarian reedcucation facilites of North Korea to ultmiately financially exploit your family. They will use these techniques to get your daughter to beleive she did things she didnt do and that she is a terrible person for doing them. Then they will make her beleive that the program saved her.-or at least intimidate her into saying them when you are in earshot.
Think Elizebeth Smart being captured by that homeless guy insisting the name they gave her was her real name and that her kidnapper was her husband ,even while the police were questioning her and you get the idea. Derangement induced by torment isolation stupification.
The mental and pyschological damage will be profound and almost always, to an extent, permanent. Your daughter is not gonna die, Youth are allowed to be wild or dissagreable they have their entire middle age to be sedate. Allow her to keep a functioning youthful mind.
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I don't trust CAFETY. They have proven themselves way to open to compromise with some pretty shady groups.
ISAC is a referral free zone so you aren't going to get any help there, and Sue Scheff is like stuffing your privates in a pencil sharpener.
I suggest Baskin Robbins followed by a Wendys.
oh yeah.. DJ isn't a doctor.
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Talked to Karen again, she said good stuff about a Lon Woodbury, an independant educational consultant.
What can you guys tell me about Lon Woodbury?
Also, can someone post contact info for Susan Scheff, as robert said he has heard positive stuff about her.
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Talked to Karen again, she said good stuff about a Lon Woodbury, an independant educational consultant.
What can you guys tell me about Lon Woodbury?
Also, can someone post contact info for Susan Scheff, as robert said he has heard positive stuff about her.
I have the distinct impression we are being baited. They mentioned Karen, Sue and Lon. What better way to get under the skin of some of the people in here?
Honey, I hope to god you aren't for real. I really don't think you are, but if I'm wrong, your reading skills could use some work. We have two big fat forums dedicated to discussing what you are talking about.
PURE Bullshit and CAICA:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewforum.php?f=54 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewforum.php?f=54)
More than you will ever need to know about Sue Scheff.
Ed Cons and Referring organizations and agencies:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewforum.php?f=40 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewforum.php?f=40)
I'm sure there is more than enough about Lon in there, and if not, check out the CEDU forum, or god forbid, run a search.
I'm still voting troll.
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Talked to Karen again, she said good stuff about a Lon Woodbury, an independant educational consultant.
What can you guys tell me about Lon Woodbury?
Also, can someone post contact info for Susan Scheff, as robert said he has heard positive stuff about her.
Just in case you are a real parent (doubtful... who would refer you here), Robert was being sarcastic about Sue Scheff. And I doubt Karen would be saying positive things about Lon anymore. I've had a few talks with her about Lonnie boy... And especially after his recent (completely "independent") support for NATSAP, there is no doubt whatsoever, the prick is an industry shill.
@sick of child torture girl: Karen does not do referrals, she was tested on this (fake parent approached her for help)... She made a promise to somebody not to, and she has kept it.
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