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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Deborah on April 16, 2007, 11:47:04 PM
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Your profile says you’re an attorney FJ.
Is that in agreement?
Doesn’t really square with
You're not giving all of the information, just choosing the parts that are not in HLA's favor. I heard from a friend who's a lawyer the judge actually allowed the dismissal on some of the claims, but not all. My lawyer-friend also told me this decision isn't very valuable right now anyway.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ht=#253045 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=253045&highlight=#253045)
You said
I've been reading these posts for a while and commenting anonymously, but I'm now wanting to try an experiment to see how open-minded people actually are on this site.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ht=#253022 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=253022&highlight=#253022)
Nope, no anonymous posts. Definitely out of agreement.
When I was there, there was a lot of abuse toward staff from students, but there wasn't a sign of abuse from staff to students. I remember going back to attend a graduation,
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 138#253138 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=253138#253138)
Wanna cop to being out of agreement?
Do you really have a friend at DHR? Who? What do you really know? You said
4/3- My source at the state told me the state will be licensing HLA within the next month. This is after investigation of records, facility, etc.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 060#253060 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=253060#253060)
Eight days later, you didn't sound so certain:
4/11- The state granted an exemption every year since the opening, it's perfectly natural to challenge this. I don't think anyone embraces when government shows up on your door. The fact is, they'll probably be licensed soon which will actually bring in more business.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 245#254245 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=254245#254245)
You said: I've found that when people start cursing/slandering another person, they are trying to suppress the truth.
Is this what you were doing when you said:
I know the story about you and your son. It's not the healthiest relationship, so I'm not sure what your son told you, but it's wrong. If the students weren't getting the right food, I think something would have turned up in their investigation. This is why I know you're son is wrong. I hope he's doing well. I hope you have a better relationship with him than in the past.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ht=#253042 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=253042&highlight=#253042)
I would love the opportunity to invite you to say that to my face.
and:
I didn't know RB is supposedly being supported by his wife while he's "in a bathrobe." Just a tip, you may not want that getting around on the World (stress on the world) Wide Web.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 245#254245 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=254245#254245)
As far as my connection to HLA, I'm curious to see what people to guess.
Anyone else want to venture a guess?
Let's see, are your initials JM? LP?
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oh deborah, don't you know who fj is?? jeff holloway!! now that he is at ridge creek he has much more time to spend on fornits!
welcome jeff!!
pull up a chair, enjoy the view! it is lovely in here!!!
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how do you know it's jeff?
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I'm not so sure it's Jeff. He's an arrogant prick no doubt, but his writing skills are atrocious. It's hard to believe he's the Assistant Headmaster with the writing skills of a borderline illiterate.
But then again, we do have Multiple Personality Disorder going on here so maybe one of those personalities can actually write well!
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I'm not so sure it's Jeff. He's an arrogant prick no doubt, but his writing skills are atrocious. It's hard to believe he's the Assistant Headmaster with the writing skills of a borderline illiterate.
But then again, we do have Multiple Personality Disorder going on here so maybe one of those personalities can actually write well!
Is he still working at HLA in that capacity?
If he is, I believe that would be an ORS violation for Ridge Creek, where he's listed as Director with ORS. If he's got another full-time job with another business entity he certainly is not available to perform his job at RC (I believe the regs say he must be at the facility full time or have an appropriate designee to fill in, but nobody else there is qualified to be the designee).
Deb, any thoughts/documentation on this matter?
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Joe Stapp is the Asst. Headmaster at HLA now. Jeff is solely at RCI.
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I'm not so sure it's Jeff. He's an arrogant prick no doubt, but his writing skills are atrocious. It's hard to believe he's the Assistant Headmaster with the writing skills of a borderline illiterate.
But then again, we do have Multiple Personality Disorder going on here so maybe one of those personalities can actually write well!
Is he still working at HLA in that capacity?
If he is, I believe that would be an ORS violation for Ridge Creek, where he's listed as Director with ORS. If he's got another full-time job with another business entity he certainly is not available to perform his job at RC (I believe the regs say he must be at the facility full time or have an appropriate designee to fill in, but nobody else there is qualified to be the designee).
Deb, any thoughts/documentation on this matter?
That's correct. One of them has to be present 24/7. Why isn't his bio on RC site? Who is the designee?
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if i am not mistaken, jeff lives on campus which would make him accessible 24/7...
and if it isn't jeff then i will go for Brad...he was always good at twisting words!!
and arrogent...yes...that is brad, too!
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if i am not mistaken, jeff lives on campus which would make him accessible 24/7...
and if it isn't jeff then i will go for Brad...he was always good at twisting words!!
and arrogent...yes...that is brad, too!
Not "accessible", but one of them must be "on duty" at the facility at all times.
Who's your designee FJ?
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Function Junction has gone too far. His comments on this site are far too well-thought out and logical. His attacks on Deborah, Robert Bruce and Dysfunction Junction are completely inappropriate. Not to mention his references to poor Cassandra.
Just because Deborah lost custody of her son in a political environment that rewards custody almost exclusively to mothers does not mean she is not a truly caring and loving mother.
No, wait,
Just because Robert Bruce spends his days at home in his bath robe while his wife supports him does not make him less of a man. His homophobia is understandable since he spends his day with his penis in one hand and a bible in the other for fear his self gratification would be viewed as homosexual love. He is truly a knowledgeable on these subjects.
No, wait,
Just because Dysfunction Junction can't hold down a job because he can't put down the hash pipe does not mean that he does not have the best interests of the students. I'm sure he is an expert in "cultivating" all kinds of health relationships.
No, wait,
Cassandra is a carrying and considerate advocate of children and adolescents. Despite her lengthy arrest record, her illigitimate children and her ex-husbands in jail, she has a solid head on her shoulders and can advise others how to raise their children.
You four should write a book. I have suggested chapters for you with no royalty charge.
Deborah: How to lose custody of your child in 10 easy steps.
Robert Bruce: Homophobia on one hand and religion on the other.
Dysfunction Junction: How to smoke your own garden.
Cassandra: So your adolescent is pregnant; don't blame the drugs or alcohol because it is probably your fault (this doesn't apply to me!)
Keep up the good work. You are all shining examples of what America's future holds.
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Translation: "I'm mad because I'm losing my job and I'm not qualified to hold any others!" :D
Don't fret, you can get unemployment for six months until you have to go on "the welfare"!
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Well, you certainly wrote the book on slander, a chapter anyway.
Your boss is feeding you inaccurate information, no surprise.
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The people on this site fighting for rights of children locked up in these hell holes have been a salvation for me as a survivor of HLA. Although my defense of them is not neccissary because their actions and words on this site speaks for itself, I still feel compelled to say this.
Deborah, RobertBruce, Dysfunction Function and the like have been the first ones since this godawful experience that I feel have truly understood and empathized with my ordeal. They are the ones who continue to stand in the face of people like you taking cheap shots and desperately trying to defame their character. Your efforts to invalidate their arguments solely so that you can continue with your blatant and dispicable abuse and exploitation of children for monetary gain are worthless. The people who matter certainly know the truth.
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Johnny Ringo...
Fuck off he-bitch 8-)
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DAMN! You got some nasty fuckin staff trolls in this here forum...
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It's only slander if it is incorrect. Now any of these posers, I mean posters could provide you with their real identities and let you do the research. The fact is they know what I posted was true.
Now every intelligent person can see through this site. You offer nothing. You only aim to destroy an industry designed to up restore sanity to the youth you helped screw up. Just like your parents before you. This is a cycle of madness. You offer nothing in the way of improvement in the care of troubled youth.
It is like you are saying the justice system doesn't work; there is still crime; let's discard all law, rules, jails, prisons. What kind of logic is this. If you are not part of a solution; you are part of the problem.
I challenge the so-called experts on this site to step up and tell their stories; including their identities. Let the truth be known though the heavens fall.
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Lacey you silly wench. People who lived through the Holocaust are survivors. The fact that you had to spend your weekends cleaning up trash or stacking wood does not make you a survivor. Lets talk about all you did prior to arriving at HLA. You are probably lucky you survived that. If you want to idolize these freaks of human intelligence so be it. You probably have found good company. Nut jobs tend to flock to nut jobs.[/u]
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That's all you got Ringo? Pretty weak. Start by revealing your own identity and lead by example like a good HLA stoolie should. Bitching about anon posters while remaining anon. Now that takes courage!
Let's face it. You're mad because HLA is closing after being found operating illegally in myriad ways and you will no longer have a job. Stop projecting and tell the group about how you feel weak and compromised and most importantly powerless to change your circumstances. We're here for you, Johnny.
If you have a problem with the way things are going, go to ORS and cry on their shoulders and beg for an exemption so you can keep your pathetic job that earns you in a full year what I earn in one quarter.
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like I just walked over your grave..."
This guy's history. Let's look toward the future.
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"Guest" said:
"That's all you got Ringo? Pretty weak. Start by revealing your own identity and lead by example like a good HLA stoolie should. Bitching about anon posters while remaining anon. Now that takes courage!"
Does anyone else find it funny that an anonymous poster is attacking Ringo for not revealing his identity?
Pretty funny. Go for it Ringo. If what you say is true you're gonna have a lot of fun deflating a lot of plump egos around here!!
:cry2:
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You only aim to destroy an industry designed to up restore sanity to the youth you helped screw up. Just like your parents before you. This is a cycle of madness. You offer nothing in the way of improvement in the care of troubled youth.
Restore sanity.... that about took my breath away.
What is it the kids call HLA- Hitler's Last Achievement. Program Nazi, here to right all the perceived wrongs. As I've known from the beginning, ya'll have as much, or more, disdain for the parents as you have for their kids.
If you could put the parents in a dumpster with a toothbrush, that's where they'd be.
I challenge the so-called experts on this site to step up and tell their stories; including their identities. Let the truth be known though the heavens fall.
My story is here in explict detail. I challenge you to find it and read it. See how it squares with what your boss has told you. Now that Shh's out of the picture they had to find another patsy to do their slanerin' for them.
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"Guest" said:
"That's all you got Ringo? Pretty weak. Start by revealing your own identity and lead by example like a good HLA stoolie should. Bitching about anon posters while remaining anon. Now that takes courage!"
Does anyone else find it funny that an anonymous poster is attacking Ringo for not revealing his identity?
Pretty funny. Go for it Ringo. If what you say is true you're gonna have a lot of fun deflating a lot of plump egos around here!!
So nice of you to drop in, Annie. Get yourself a ring-side seat.
I can definitely see your attraction to JR. His methods 'saving the kids' and slandering detractors/survivors is right in line with your own.
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Function Junction has gone too far. His comments on this site are far too well-thought out and logical. His attacks on Deborah, Robert Bruce and Dysfunction Junction are completely inappropriate. Not to mention his references to poor Cassandra.
Just because Deborah lost custody of her son in a political environment that rewards custody almost exclusively to mothers does not mean she is not a truly caring and loving mother.
No, wait,
Just because Robert Bruce spends his days at home in his bath robe while his wife supports him does not make him less of a man. His homophobia is understandable since he spends his day with his penis in one hand and a bible in the other for fear his self gratification would be viewed as homosexual love. He is truly a knowledgeable on these subjects.
No, wait,
Just because Dysfunction Junction can't hold down a job because he can't put down the hash pipe does not mean that he does not have the best interests of the students. I'm sure he is an expert in "cultivating" all kinds of health relationships.
No, wait,
Cassandra is a carrying and considerate advocate of children and adolescents. Despite her lengthy arrest record, her illigitimate children and her ex-husbands in jail, she has a solid head on her shoulders and can advise others how to raise their children.
You four should write a book. I have suggested chapters for you with no royalty charge.
Deborah: How to lose custody of your child in 10 easy steps.
Robert Bruce: Homophobia on one hand and religion on the other.
Dysfunction Junction: How to smoke your own garden.
Cassandra: So your adolescent is pregnant; don't blame the drugs or alcohol because it is probably your fault (this doesn't apply to me!)
Keep up the good work. You are all shining examples of what America's future holds.
The latest propoganda is that I'm a homophobe? Tell me something do you guys have just one monkey at the typewritter or a whole team working away at this?
No matter, listen you dont have to get angry with us for costing you your job. Your boss did that, be angry at him. You know the little man who leads an alternative but still socially acceptable life style. You know the one. Maybe if he'd been more focused on running an ethically sound business and not trying to con people while dabbeling in as many employees as possible (Chuck) then things might have turned out better for you guys. Maybe youll get lucky and it wont completly close down, maybe all you guys will have to do is stop breaking the law and abusing kids. Keep your fingers crossed!
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Lacey you silly wench. People who lived through the Holocaust are survivors. The fact that you had to spend your weekends cleaning up trash or stacking wood does not make you a survivor. Lets talk about all you did prior to arriving at HLA. You are probably lucky you survived that. If you want to idolize these freaks of human intelligence so be it. You probably have found good company. Nut jobs tend to flock to nut jobs.[/u]
Actually,...I am a program suvivor and my grandparents are holocust survivors. The comparison is apt. Actually nut jobs tend to flock to cults,maintain delusions of proficientcy even though they are clearly incompentant, and be opprotunistically abusive,...which explains you.
And speaking of Being a nut, you dont realize how completly insane and horrific you sound to non-cult outsiders. Most people arent too impressed by "couselors" attacking fomer child "patients" as nut jobs as you did Lacey, and find your adhmonem (sp) mauling of the HLA protesters here as visous..but also strangely chidlish & simple sounding. Sort of what teens say to eachother in program group, or to wit, what an incompetant nut says
Good luck on polishing up that veneer of sanity that has clearly worn thin recently...Mmm guess with the stress an' all, of years of child abuse being made public things are tough....Yeaaaaah well, just remember when people look at you out of the corner of their eye, and gossip about you wondering if you are really capable of doing those horrible things that you and stay away politely, but coldly..remember, the only way to solve the pain forever is suicide. Why not do the world a favor, hmmm?
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Deborah - isn't it amazing how defensive they get when you called Function Junction out? Shows what a bunch of pathetic losers they are.
Oh, I would like to compliment Johnny Ringo for being able to type with one hand while holding Len's dick with the other hand.
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I had to look up the term wench. Are you implying 'servant' or 'prostitute'? Is that another of HLAs prefered 'therapeutic' terms for young women? If you'd call her that on a public forum, what might she have been called while there?
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"Guest" said:
"That's all you got Ringo? Pretty weak. Start by revealing your own identity and lead by example like a good HLA stoolie should. Bitching about anon posters while remaining anon. Now that takes courage!"
Does anyone else find it funny that an anonymous poster is attacking Ringo for not revealing his identity?
Pretty funny. Go for it Ringo. If what you say is true you're gonna have a lot of fun deflating a lot of plump egos around here!!
This lady
http://http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-05,GGLD:en&q=%22anne+hall%22+minneapolis+mn
claims to be a psychologist and talks a big game while posting anon. She loves to abuse victims of abuse and her mentor was Mel Wasserman :roll: Her goal is to open her own program based on the abusive CEDU model.
You can see her other work here under the name Ottawa5.
See some of the commentary about this disturbed woman here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... =anne+hall (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=13566&highlight=anne+hall)
Welcome back, Anne, or as she's called among the people who know her personally, "Amoral Annie".
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Here's a little snippet about what Ottawa's kid thinks about her (pulled from another forum):
"my mother is a fucking bitch and my father is a dumbass
Anonymous
Unregistered User Posted: Dec 27, 2005 - 10:04 PM
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in the spirt of christmas i thought i would be the first to say what many are thinking this time of year: parents are a bitch.
i love my parents and am glad i can anonymously talk on hear.
theres a lot of other shit that gets piled on those good feelings.
my mom is such a fuck up. its like she never wanted to grow up. now she is like a small child trapped in a midlle aged wmans body. she has temper tantrums and acts like a bitch. she can never think about how she hurts everyone by all the things she does. she is just so selfish, like a little baby who knows nothing more than what they want. she does not act like an adult who is ideally selfless and thinks of little more than what there children want and need.
my dad is such a prick too. he is really domineering and thinks he knows everything. he thinks because he is a big success in life he knows everything. he is always blaming everyone else for any mistakes he makes. i see him less though since hes' always worked, so my mom is really the big fucking bitch in my life.
sometimes i just want to tell her what a fucking stupid cunt she is. i want to tell her to fuck off and that she is a shitty mom. but that ends up hurting me too. what i really want is for her to just love me and be my mom. i want her to be selfless and take care of me. but if you ask her this she acts all like "i have my own shit to deal with, i can't worry about your needs". If shes so fucked up why doesnt she just see a therapist or something. what a fucking bitch. i hate christmas.
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Unregistered User Posted: Dec 28, 2005 - 11:29 AM
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let me guess: anne hall is your mom, right?
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Sounds like the perfect person to throw their hat in the ring with Johnny Ringo. :oops: :cry:
Anyway, Ringo, I think you picked a great name. Remember what happened to ol' Johnny Ringo by the big oak on the ridge at sunset? :D :D :D
"I'll be your huckleberry."
Two peas in a pod here, Ringo and Ottawa. Two sadists and veteran abusers. Have fun slamming your victims!
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Here's an idea: Function Junction and all his other personalities can get a job at Nexity Bank. All your multiple personalities (Hunter Thompson, F. Lee Bailey, Johnny Ringo, Slim Shady, Raphael & Michelangelo, Dennis L.) could help pay off Bucci's debt. Actually, don't be suprised when those doors close in May if you don't get an application to Nexity. I believe the term "indentured servant" might be your title, but bank employee works just as well.
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johhny ringo, fj, this is for lenny. Eyn imglik iz far im veynik. Got zol im bentshn mit dray mentshn: eyner zol im haltn, der tsveyter zol im shpaltn un der driter zol im ba’haltn.
pelta, i know youre our there.
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Johnny Ringo? Don't flatter yourself. You're more like Johnny Tyler. One good smack in the mouth gets you slinking off with your tail between your legs...