General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 09:28:44 AM
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 09:28:44 AM
Granted, alternative energy sources should definitely be explored, but global warming is as big of a hoax (political ploy) as the "new ice-age" was back in the 70's:
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: AtomicAnt on April 08, 2007, 12:56:17 PM
I did not waste my time reading the second article. The first one was filled with easily documented junk science and distortions.
For example, he states China is exempt. The fact is that China has already passed legislation that requires their automobiles and factories to be less polluting that those in the USA. The Chinese government has watched their environment degrade rapidly since market reforms that the are taking the issue very seriously.
He says the earth has been cooling for 35 years. That is also factually incorrect.
Note the lack of sources cited. He just made this stuff up.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 01:13:57 PM
I want my own private jet too. A big one! One with gold trims and white carpeting throughout, one that can fly me anywhere in the world. That's what I want. No more TSA telling me to take off MY shoes!
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:16:33 PM
Yes, its true that the earth is experiencing climatic changes with certain areas becoming warmer and others colder. This however is not caused by the so called Green House effect. The earth's magnetic field is collapsing with portions of the North and South already reversed. We are about to experience a Polar reversal which has occurred on four previous occasions.
This global warming gravy train is just like religion in the sense that by perpetuating the myth, you get to keep on paying the rent and making a nice living. Of course, you could always find some other line of work, but that is too hard, let's not rock the boat and keep on riding the global warming gravy train.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:20:04 PM
Pundits like Al Gore are promoting Global Warming to further their own agenda.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:26:22 PM
Today I finaly got around to watching this global warming documentary:
and I realized that there are some parallels with the War on Drugs. Just as the War on Drugs came about because of irresponsible yellow journalism, mass hysteria and political manipulation regarding drugs (like hemp) the same factors are driving the global warming agenda and the "war on carbon." In Sydney Australia, they will be shutting down the lights for one hour to bring awareness to climate change or some bs like that. This is silly. It's like some ancient culture sacrificing people into the Volcano God so that the Volcano God won't get angry and wipe out their puny village.
It's bad enough we have a war on drugs, now a war on carbon? Unlike in Hollywood, in real like the bad guys do win, they are able to execute their conspiracies and once the collective brain believes something it is difficult for the truth to surface, especially when people make a good living by perpetuating lies and myths. Last night I watched the Manchurian Candidate on TV and I was thinking about how that movie would actually end in real life. The conspiracy to buy the presidency would have been successful to be sure.
More tax to assuage our white, Western guilt. Where can I sign up for that?
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:27:48 PM
Interesting that you should make that comment. On the documentary I saw yesterday, they were talking about how radical environmentalism is destructive to Africa. These radical crackpots in essense don't want Africa to industrialized because that would mean more of that evil CO2. Consequently, people are having to suffer unnecessary hardships. Couple that with EU, US, and Japan agricultural subsidies, and you have a recipe for African mass starvation. Think about that the next time some Liberal sap tells you about the poor dying kids in Africa and how the US is bad because it doesn't give enough foreign aid.
I have to guilt to repent for. These lily white rich environmentalists have a lot to repent for though, because they are causing the poor to remain poor in Africa.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:35:08 PM
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Yes, its true that the earth is experiencing climatic changes with certain areas becoming warmer and others colder. This however is not caused by the so called Green House effect. The earth's magnetic field is collapsing with portions of the North and South already reversed. We are about to experience a Polar reversal which has occurred on four previous occasions.
Back in the day the Catholics called 'em indulgences. More parallels between "anthropomorphic global warming" and religion. Interesting...
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:35:31 PM
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Think about that the next time some Liberal sap tells you about the poor dying kids in Africa and how the US is bad because it doesn't give enough foreign aid.
If any food is left on my plate I wrap it up and ship it to Africa. Seriously.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:40:02 PM
Who is the ruling elite? Do they have a thrown somewhere?
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:41:47 PM
You mean a throne?
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:41:51 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Today I finaly got around to watching this global warming documentary:
and I realized that there are some parallels with the War on Drugs. Just as the War on Drugs came about because of irresponsible yellow journalism, mass hysteria and political manipulation regarding drugs (like hemp) the same factors are driving the global warming agenda and the "war on carbon." In Sydney Australia, they will be shutting down the lights for one hour to bring awareness to climate change or some bs like that. This is silly. It's like some ancient culture sacrificing people into the Volcano God so that the Volcano God won't get angry and wipe out their puny village.
It's bad enough we have a war on drugs, now a war on carbon? Unlike in Hollywood, in real like the bad guys do win, they are able to execute their conspiracies and once the collective brain believes something it is difficult for the truth to surface, especially when people make a good living by perpetuating lies and myths. Last night I watched the Manchurian Candidate on TV and I was thinking about how that movie would actually end in real life. The conspiracy to buy the presidency would have been successful to be sure.
More tax to assuage our white, Western guilt. Where can I sign up for that?
Quiet citizen. They are repenting for your sins, whether you realize it or not. It's your fault Africa's children are starving. It's your fault that two planes struck the WTC. It's your fault the Arabs aren't happy in their sandbox. It's your fault that so many animals are being eaten. Get down on your knees and pray to Al Gore and beg his forgiveness and maybe he will forgive you.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:42:46 PM
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You mean a throne?
No. You don't get it at all. Another sheep.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:44:06 PM
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The earth's magnetic field is collapsing with portions of the North and South already reversed. We are about to experience a Polar reversal which has occurred on four previous occasions.
This is not true.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:45:19 PM
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You mean a throne?
No. You don't get it at all. Another sheep.
About as funny as the pimples on Gore's ass.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:46:01 PM
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The earth's magnetic field is collapsing with portions of the North and South already reversed. We are about to experience a Polar reversal which has occurred on four previous occasions.
This is not true.
Prove it! :P :rofl:
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:46:53 PM
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Quiet citizen. They are repenting for your sins, whether you realize it or not. It's your fault Africa's children are starving. It's your fault that two planes struck the WTC. It's your fault the Arabs aren't happy in their sandbox. It's your fault that so many animals are being eaten. Get down on your knees and pray to Al Gore and beg his forgiveness and maybe he will forgive you.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:47:36 PM
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Interesting that you should make that comment. On the documentary I saw yesterday, they were talking about how radical environmentalism is destructive to Africa. These radical crackpots in essense don't want Africa to industrialized because that would mean more of that evil CO2. Consequently, people are having to suffer unnecessary hardships. Couple that with EU, US, and Japan agricultural subsidies, and you have a recipe for African mass starvation. Think about that the next time some Liberal sap tells you about the poor dying kids in Africa and how the US is bad because it doesn't give enough foreign aid.
I have to guilt to repent for. These lily white rich environmentalists have a lot to repent for though, because they are causing the poor to remain poor in Africa.
You see one documentary and now you are an expert spouting off political rhetoric to your heart's content. That is what is wrong with this planet, too many busy bodies and know-it-alls. Right?
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:48:16 PM
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You mean a throne?
No. You don't get it at all. Another sheep.
About as funny as the pimples on Gore's ass.
:rofl: Al "Douchebag" Gore has the fattest presidential ass since Taft.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 02:50:29 PM
Speaking of "African mass starvation"...
The same thing is happening with genetically modified food. Idiots actually protest this stuff when it has already saved countless millions from starvation.
Just another chapter in their brainless search for a cause to get behind.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 03:09:51 PM
Anyone familiar w/DDT?
It's widely considered one of the big bad chemicals (like agent orange) and was outlawed. Outlawing it was applauded. It saved hundreds of birds from dying and also protected a few dozen people from harm... Unfortunately, the cost of shutting down DDT production was more than 10 million dead people in third world countries because they didn't have DDT to protect them from malaria and no good alternatives to DDT existed.
Like DDT, global warming is an emotionally charged cause which do more harm than good.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2007, 03:56:34 PM
Alex Jones rocks!
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Antigen on April 08, 2007, 10:07:55 PM
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Speaking of "African mass starvation"...
The same thing is happening with genetically modified food. Idiots actually protest this stuff when it has already saved countless millions from starvation.
Just another chapter in their brainless search for a cause to get behind.
Actually, no, there's more to that one. I was keeping up on the chatter when it was happening. The serious environmentalists (i.e. the hillbillies, hippies mostly of the great north west, farmers et al) were extremely upset and making as much noise as they could about Monsanto's Terminator seed technology. Google that, it turns up a lot of legit history. I remember the shocking statement out of the president or some other mouthpiece for WHO defending the practice of intentionally starving Africans to force compliance w/ WHO and UN policies.
This was one of many very legitimate complaints against agribusiness. There were many. Genetically manipulated Fusarium Oxysporum as Bill McCullum's "Silver Bullet" in the drug war was another outragous example of frankenfarming lunacy.
Here's what happens, though, to most logical, well founded protests. They try to ply their schtick in Seattle and they make the mistake of joining up in a most promiscuous way with just about damned near anybody who smiles at them for any reason, even if it's just the Ganga talkin'. Witness the campaign to ban Dihydrogenmonoxide:
I remember the whole episode of Penn & Teller. They painted all complaints about bioengineering with the same broad brush. It's wicked easy. Simple strategy, really, to discredit your opponent. Just find a pack of posers and fools who don't know a god damned thing, but like to pretend they do and put them in front of the cameras. I was disappointed that a couple of bright fellows like Penn & Teller fell for it.
So you're in good company, to be sure. But really you haven't looked into this issue deeply enough. Think about it. Controlling the food supply has been a routine, accepted part of military and political strategy since Cesar noted that an army marches on it's stomach and much, much earlier in the more literate Far East. All you really have to ask yourself about whether or not it's being done is "are there the means". Yeah, I think we can agree that the means to do it are well in place; logistically, technologically and politically they certainly are. So what aspiring world ruler could resist the temptation to use them? The only thing saving us from total domination by an authoritarian world government is the other half a dozen or so authoritarian hopefuls all fuckin w/ each other as they tend to do.
As to precisely how? That's a much more muddy question. There's just so much misinformation out there and so few people w/ both the means and the incentive to get uncomfortable enough to say anything. Corn pone opinions.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Antigen on April 08, 2007, 10:26:19 PM
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Anyone familiar w/DDT?
It's widely considered one of the big bad chemicals (like agent orange) and was outlawed. Outlawing it was applauded. It saved hundreds of birds from dying and also protected a few dozen people from harm... Unfortunately, the cost of shutting down DDT production was more than 10 million dead people in third world countries because they didn't have DDT to protect them from malaria and no good alternatives to DDT existed.
Like DDT, global warming is an emotionally charged cause which do more harm than good.
Yup, yet another perverse result of top down micromanagement. Here's another. http://www.narconews.com/dyncorpterrorism1.html (http://www.narconews.com/dyncorpterrorism1.html) They're spraying Roundup mixed w/ isotopes for extra stickiness by crop duster over large swaths of So. America. Check the map. Funny how they only seem interested in eradicating the evil organic drugs from places with a lot of oil under them, infrastructure and favorable trade agreements w/ corporations in demand nations.Clinton put an ax to the Fusarium program, stating to the effect "Aw, c'mon, boys! Even ah cain't float that one, they're sure to perceive it as biowarfare!" But all you'll ever hear about that is Hugo Chavez, cause the dude is like a cartoon character unless you really dig in deep, carefully sorting the bullshit from the compost. .
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Post by: Ursus on April 09, 2007, 03:40:41 AM
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I remember the whole episode of Penn & Teller. They painted all complaints about bioengineering with the same broad brush. It's wicked easy. Simple strategy, really, to discredit your opponent. Just find a pack of posers and fools who don't know a god damned thing, but like to pretend they do and put them in front of the cameras. I was disappointed that a couple of bright fellows like Penn & Teller fell for it.
I rather tend to think that this group of earnest environmentalists (spoofed in the above video) wasn't just a pack of mindless joiners. Most people going to such an event are well-meaning and naturally inclined to support like-minded folk at the same event. Penn & Teller were clearly posing as such, but with something a little less friendly on their real agenda.
To prey upon the good will and inherent lack of suspicion naturally present at such an event betrays great cynicism about the inner workings of human nature. Perhaps a more appropriate spoof might have been to solicit positive response to a seemingly innocuous and beneficial chemical, and to then reveal that said substance actually already has a history of horrid birth defects and environmental mayhem in decades past. The take-home from this would clearly have been to apply more critical thinking before approval, rather than to apply more critical thinking before disapproval, the latter being exemplified by the Penn & Teller spoof. Our world certainly has a far more extensive and sordid history in the former form of analysis and public policy than it does in the latter.
I too was disappointed by how Penn & Teller chose to apply their talents, let alone that they chose to immortalize it on film so that a greater audience could learn their lesson. To me it really looked like it was Penn & Teller that were acting like "a {pair} of posers and fools who don't know a god damned thing" about the greater ecological picture, "but like to pretend they do ...in front of the cameras." Maybe that had more to do with the "greens" Teller pulled out of the pine tree than we realize; especially if said greens happened to come from Monsanto.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 08:17:10 AM
You won't let us build more dams because we might wipe out snail darters. Solar is still not efficient enough. Windmills are not the solution. I know. Wave the magic liberal wand. Abra Cadabra! Magic. We now have clean renewable energy sources. Here's a better idea. Send all the liberals who think we use too much energy to another country. With the energy we save with the population decrease we may just be able to cut our emissions down. I know we would cut down on the hot air emissions.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 08:23:02 AM
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You won't let us build more dams because we might wipe out snail darters. Solar is still not efficient enough. Windmills are not the solution. I know. Wave the magic liberal wand. Abra Cadabra! Magic. We now have clean renewable energy sources. Here's a better idea. Send all the liberals who think we use too much energy to another country. With the energy we save with the population decrease we may just be able to cut our emissions down. I know we would cut down on the hot air emissions.
or we should just shut you up and save about a years worth of energy simply by not having you spew your energy sucking shit into the atmosphere.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 08:46:34 AM
Ha.... ha... ?... :roll:
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 08:58:13 AM
Yes, Global Warming, as it is being promoted, is a complete joke. The whole idea that puny little man can have any effect on Earth's biosphere is patently absurd.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 09:46:13 AM
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 09:50:39 AM
It may be getting warmer, but ONE volcano can spew out 20 years of exhaust in one month, consider this: every single dirt clod on this planet is a by product of volcanic activity, all the mountains, also all the valleys, to the bottom of the sea, every bit of it was formed from boiling liquid rock, coming from inside the liquid core. If the greenhouse effect could destroy life on Earth, I think it would have done it by now... in fact, I'm sure it has many times. This planet has been hit from space by burning rock, too. Consider the lowest point on the Earth's surface, The Dead Sea. It didn't get there by water running downhill. Something had to smack it down from above. I'm sure mankind will never come close to the carbon based fuel exhaust put out by that blast, and that's only one of many. But, it gets worse. Not only is every speck of rock and dirt the product of complete meltdown, all the air comes from the same place. So how did all this rock get here anyway? Debris from the REAL nuclear world... STARS. Every molecule of every speck of molten rock on Earth is the direct byproduct of interstellar nuclear fusion, the likes of which we can't even imagine. Take the biggest H-bomb ever imagined, then multiply that times a number higher than any number we've ever conceived of, and that's how much every molecule on this planet has been subjected to. THAT'S HOW IT GOT HERE. That's where "here" came from. Not just "here"... ALL "HERE'S" EVERYWHERE. So, if all this unimaginable nuclear activity on a vast scale produced this planet, AND LIFE ITSELF, then how could the pitiful activities of mankind put any dent in it at all? The only danger we face is from our own stupidity, our obsession to be totally full of corny-ass BULLSHIT, spoon fed to us by a box with light and sound coming out, we look to the box to tell us what to think, since its way too hard to just look around and use common sense.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 09:59:40 AM
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Consider the lowest point on the Earth's surface, The Dead Sea. It didn't get there by water running downhill. Something had to smack it down from above.
A million years ago, a major earthquake created the Syrian-African Rift. The Dead Sea sank deep into the valley and was deprived of its natural outflow to the sea. It's located in between the African and European continental plates that are slowly drifting apart. The dead sea will not exist in 50 years if Israel and Jordan don't start working on the problem soon. The two countries redirect fresh water from the Jordan river which has been feeding the sea since it's creation. The dead sea disappearing is strictly a man mad problem. As well, it can be solved by man.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 10:14:44 AM
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The whole idea that puny little man can have any effect on Earth's biosphere is patently absurd.
Been to LA recently?
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 10:17:58 AM
The boot of Italy crosses the image in this southwest-looking view taken by the crew of the International Space Station. The spine of Italy is highlighted with snow and the largely cloud-covered Mediterranean Sea is at the top. The Adriatic Sea transverses most of the bottom of the image and Sicily appears top left beyond the toe of the boot (red arrow). The heel lies out of the left side of the image. Corsica and Sardinia appear right of center partly under cloud.
The floor of the Po River valley, lower right, is obscured by haze. Experience gained from similar haze events, in which atmospheric pressure, humidity and visibility and atmospheric chemistry were known, suggests that the haze is industrial smog. Industrial haze from the urban region of the central and upper Po valley accumulates to visible concentrations under conditions of high atmospheric pressure and the surrounding mountains prevent easy dispersal. This view illustrates the markedly different color and texture of cloud versus industrial aerosol haze.
The flow pattern is typical of that seen on most Shuttle flights since the early 1980s and often recorded on film, that is of slow transport of the smog-rich airmass eastward into the Adriatic basin. This is the easiest and largest exit for haze moving away from the industrial region. The sharp seaward edge of the coherent plume of haze parallels the coastline of Italy?the coast can be discerned through the haze, from Venice (lower right) as far as the Gargano Peninsula (left margin, partly hidden under cloud). Note how there is sufficient lift along this seaward edge to generate a small cloud.
There appears to be a smaller haze mass accumulating on the east side of the Apennines between Naples and Cassino (yellow arrows).
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 10:21:33 AM
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The whole idea that puny little man can have any effect on Earth's biosphere is patently absurd.
Been to LA recently?
That's just desserts for addle-brained liberal Hollywood celebrities. :rofl:
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 10:24:14 AM
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The whole idea that puny little man can have any effect on Earth's biosphere is patently absurd.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 10:35:19 AM
Only a liberal nazi like Al Gore would think mankind's rinky dinky power systems can even begin to influence a system as large and rugged as a planet. Absurd delusions of grandeur, just a miniscule puff of hot air, leave that kind of idiocy to religion where it belongs.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 10:35:42 AM
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The whole idea that puny little man can have any effect on Earth's biosphere is patently absurd.
Been to LA recently?
That's just desserts for addle-brained liberal Hollywood celebrities. :rofl:
This stereotypical hatred for the "Hollywood liberals" is so stupid.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 10:38:15 AM
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Only a liberal nazi like Al Gore would think mankind's rinky dinky power systems can even begin to influence a system as large and rugged as a planet. Absurd delusions of grandeur, just a miniscule puff of hot air, leave that kind of idiocy to religion where it belongs.
I wonder if he just makes up facts to suit his argument? Like saying that the dead sea was created by a meteor impact?
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Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 10:41:09 AM
Those fucking libtards out in Hollywood are what's ruining this here country ya'll. Them fags be talking about science and smog, living in LA I can't imagine why they want cleaner air? They are Nazis, those stupid liberal elite. We need someone like Rush in charge. He tells it like it is, about those damn Hollywood elite liberals.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 10:45:09 AM
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This stereotypical hatred for the "Hollywood liberals" is so stupid.
Why do you say that? There's nothing "stereotypical" about it; plenty of rational-minded folks hate them. :roll:
Who do they think they are that they can try and dictate to the truly eduacted with their mindless, idiotic drivel?
Truly disgusting how they sit there complaining as if they know what's best for the rest of us, fuck them.
A lot of them would have you believe that it's OUR FAULT that 911 happened. Fucking MORONS!!!!! :rofl:
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 10:59:20 AM
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This stereotypical hatred for the "Hollywood liberals" is so stupid.
Why do you say that? There's nothing "stereotypical" about it; plenty of rational-minded folks hate them. :roll:
Who do they think they are that they can try and dictate to the truly eduacted with their mindless, idiotic drivel?
Truly disgusting how they sit there complaining as if they know what's best for the rest of us, fuck them.
A lot of them would have you believe that it's OUR FAULT that 911 happened. Fucking MORONS!!!!! :rofl:
Well said! Those types really chap my ass!! :evil:
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 11:02:17 AM
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This stereotypical hatred for the "Hollywood liberals" is so stupid.
Why do you say that? There's nothing "stereotypical" about it; plenty of rational-minded folks hate them. :roll:
Who do they think they are that they can try and dictate to the truly eduacted with their mindless, idiotic drivel?
Truly disgusting how they sit there complaining as if they know what's best for the rest of us, fuck them.
A lot of them would have you believe that it's OUR FAULT that 911 happened. Fucking MORONS!!!!! :rofl:
Who cares? I don't get my news from Entertainment Tonight or the Rosie O'Donnel show. If they piss you off, turn off the TV, the only place these supposed "Hollywood liberals" exist.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 11:03:14 AM
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Granted, alternative energy sources should definitely be explored, but global warming is as big of a hoax (political ploy) as the "new ice-age" was back in the 70's.
I agree 100%.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 11:03:59 AM
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Well said! Those types really chap my ass!! :evil:
What type? I've heard about this "Hollywood Liberal" but have never met him. He only exists in the mind of Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 11:07:55 AM
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Who cares? I don't get my news from Entertainment Tonight or the Rosie O'Donnel show. If they piss you off, turn off the TV, the only place these supposed "Hollywood liberals" exist.
Good advice... too bad I didn't read your post beforehand; I put a hole in my TV set last week!
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 11:14:18 AM
Getting into arguments with smug, self-righteous liberals about Al Gore is not only fun, it’s pointless! They really will believe anything that droning fucker says.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 11:18:00 AM
I bet if he told them the Dead Sea was created by a meteor, they'd believe that too!
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 11:19:23 AM
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Getting into arguments with smug, self-righteous liberals about Al Gore is not only fun, it’s pointless! They really will believe anything that droning fucker says.
It has been my experience that most liberals are incapable of any sort of critical thinking whatsoever... They have their little "talking points" and should you happen to openly disagree with one of these, you never hear the end of it! ::blah:: :roll:
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 11:22:16 AM
Gore’s mansion consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES). The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average. Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359. Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006. Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year … In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 11:32:19 AM
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Getting into arguments with smug, self-righteous liberals about Al Gore is not only fun, it’s pointless! They really will believe anything that droning fucker says.
It has been my experience that most liberals are incapable of any sort of critical thinking whatsoever... They have their little "talking points" and should you happen to openly disagree with one of these, you never hear the end of it! ::blah:: :roll:
You believe those two news articles and documentary you posted, so what makes them any different than you?
Is that post about Al Gores personal electricity use not a overused talking point?
I love hypocrisy, the source of all things funny in this thread.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 11:33:34 AM
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Gore’s mansion consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES). The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average. Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359. Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006. Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year … In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.
So I'm supposed to live like a raccoon while this tubby fuck drives a go-cart from room to room on his fabulous estate. These dirty god-damn hippies all tell me how awful America is and how great everyone else is, and we should all roll around in the mud like these third world nightmares whose number one export is alien like diseases, meanwhile he's flying back and forth to Caligula-like parties in Beverly Hills on his 20 million-dollar Gulfstream jet. I'm supposed to power my shower with a treadmill, but according to this editorial in the USA Today, Gore can't even be bothered to sign up for "earth friendly" power sources like wind energy, even though the utility companies that service his homes (he has three) in Tennessee and Washington DC offer it as an alternative. I think Ed Begley Jr. is a damn retard, but when he shakes his malnourished fingers at me and says we can all live "green", I at least know that he's speaking from experience, because he truly lives that life. Al Gore is not a scientist or an expert on weather and he's sure as hell not an environmentalist.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 11:37:57 AM
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Is that post about Al Gores personal electricity use not a overused talking point?
Overused? He's a fat pig and goddamned hypocrite!
The energy Gore uses is "overused." ::bwahaha::
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 11:46:47 AM
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So I'm supposed to live like a raccoon while this tubby fuck drives a go-cart from room to room on his fabulous estate.
There are no laws preventing you from using as much power as you want. Why do you keep making stuff up?
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These dirty god-damn hippies all tell me how awful America is and how great everyone else is, and we should all roll around in the mud like these third world nightmares whose number one export is alien like diseases, meanwhile he's flying back and forth to Caligula-like parties in Beverly Hills on his 20 million-dollar Gulfstream jet.
Al Gore doesn't drink, never tried a drug in his life, and he isn't dirty. He doesn't roll around in the mud. He made a successful film that made it big, why is it surprising that he wants to go to the parties? Wouldn't you? I sure as heck would!
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I'm supposed to power my shower with a treadmill,
There you go making stuff up again.
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but according to this editorial in the USA Today, Gore can't even be bothered to sign up for "earth friendly" power sources like wind energy, even though the utility companies that service his homes (he has three) in Tennessee and Washington DC offer it as an alternative.
OMG!! A politician is a hypocrite?! Alert the world media, something extraordinary has happened!! :roll: How many judges locking people up for drugs are using drugs themselves? How many church leaders profess poverty as noble but live like kings on their parishioner's dime? How many politicians hire accountants to try and keep their taxes as low as possible? Welcome to the real world where people say one thing and do another. You are stating the obvious.
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I think Ed Begley Jr. is a damn retard, but when he shakes his malnourished fingers at me and says we can all live "green", I at least know that he's speaking from experience, because he truly lives that life. Al Gore is not a scientist or an expert on weather and he's sure as hell not an environmentalist.
And? So you don't like Al Gore, neither do a lot of people. You give him too much credit. You talk like there are laws already passed limiting your power consumption which is not true. You exaggerate the threat just as you claim Al Gore does.
If I took everything as seriously as you do, I would be living in a cave hiding from everybody who argues a point of view I don't agree with. Who the fuck cares what Al Gore thinks, does he have control over you? No. Live your life how you want, there are no laws preventing energy use.
The drug war, forced taxation, patriot act, those are some real threats and the bullshit corporate media wants everyone distracted by focusing people's attention on nobody's like Al Gore and Anna Nicole Smith. It's just a distraction while the real shit gets done behind the scenes and you're playing right into it.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 11:55:10 AM
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So I'm supposed to live like a raccoon while this tubby fuck drives a go-cart from room to room on his fabulous estate.
There are no laws preventing you from using as much power as you want. Why do you keep making stuff up?
Not YET there aren't... :roll:
Let him get in office and there will be!
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 11:59:52 AM
He already was, remember? He was Vice President of this whole country. He is not running for office this time around, so what are you so worried about? Go use all the power you want, buy a private jet, and nobody will stop you. You should be applauding John Travolta for having four private jets, he is living the ideology you profess, to not give a shit about emissions. The hollywood liberals and you agree it would seem.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 12:05:55 PM
No, but he continues to be their mouthpiece. I don't espouse wasting energy, I just resent some dumb fat-ass like GORE trying to tell the rest of us what the do. Not only that, but his busy-body wife was the head of PMRC.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 12:07:07 PM
No, but he continues to be their mouthpiece. I don't espouse wasting energy, I just resent some dumb fat-ass like GORE trying to tell the rest of us what to do. Not only that, but his busy-body wife was the head of the PMRC.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 12:11:38 PM
Right wing left wing they are both connected to the same carcass eating vulture...
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Antigen on April 09, 2007, 02:55:47 PM
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The take-home from this would clearly have been to apply more critical thinking before approval, rather than to apply more critical thinking before disapproval, the latter being exemplified by the Penn & Teller spoof. Our world certainly has a far more extensive and sordid history in the former form of analysis and public policy than it does in the latter.
No, I don't think so. I think these people got properly spanked, fair and square. I think Penn & Teller were and are doing what they've always been about, trying to shame, cajole and otherwise influence people to apply more critical thinking all the damned time. I can't really fault them for missing the emails or protests of congressional testimony from the very few credible people speaking on the topic, either. I've run into it again and again. Industrial hemp was one of my favorite issues for awhile. I still think it's a damned good idea. But when WV was considering the question, the entire debate was hijacked by a bunch of idiots who thought it was a great way to reclaim and rehabilitate strip mining sites. It's not. Hemp is hearty in a lot of climates, it's resistant to pests, microorganisms, harsh weather, drought and such, but it requires good rich soil. It's complimentary (good rotation crop) to corn, as proven out in reports dating back to the time of the American Revolution (yes, Franklin, Jefferson, Washington and like minded colegues were compiling the data for their own use before any such Federal agency as the DOA ever materialized)
But the people who won the competition to be heard in the capitol chose a weak argument, and so the entire issue lost credence.
I think instead of relying on politics to solve these problems, we should take back the authority from government and look out for our own interests.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Antigen on April 09, 2007, 03:13:08 PM
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Right wing left wing they are both connected to the same carcass eating vulture...
A-Men! See? It's us too. This conversation is only in it's second day and already it's devolved down to personal attacks and character assassination. What happened to the science? Same thing that always happens whenever you send a politician to do a farmer's or scientists or family's work; all good sense and reason go out the window in favor of winning the most dollars and votes.
There's a whole section of each of the nearest local cemeteries dedicated to the victims of the Donora fog. Google that, it's a damned interesting bit of history and it shows that the word games and mind games go all the way back to the very beginning of the argument. The people responsible for poisoning hundreds, immidiately killing 20 and leaving untold (literally, we never even looked) amounts of toxic residue had more money, better ties to the media, better political ties than the people effected. The people effected put their faith in the legal and regulatory systems in place to take care of business. Stupid fucking people! What they should have done was to burn down the Donora steel mill that very year and lynch Herr Donnor and Herr Schoonmacker. Few knew it at the time, but that would have deprived the Third Reich of a critical supply of a particularly high quality steel needed to build their air and sea fleets.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2007, 11:16:06 AM
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A-Men! See? It's us too. This conversation is only in it's second day and already it's devolved down to personal attacks and character assassination.
So what else is new?? :lol:
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2007, 02:44:24 PM
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So what else is new?? :lol:
Shut the fuck up, nigger!!!
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 13, 2007, 08:25:17 AM
Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was one of the first Canadian Ph.Ds. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why.
What would happen if tomorrow we were told that, after all, the Earth is flat? It would probably be the most important piece of news in the media and would generate a lot of debate. So why is it that when scientists who have studied the Global Warming phenomenon for years say that humans are not the cause nobody listens? Why does no one acknowledge that the Emperor has no clothes on?
Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.
No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don't pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?
Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. "It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.
I was as opposed to the threats of impending doom global cooling engendered as I am to the threats made about Global Warming. Let me stress I am not denying the phenomenon has occurred. The world has warmed since 1680, the nadir of a cool period called the Little Ice Age (LIA) that has generally continued to the present. These climate changes are well within natural variability and explained quite easily by changes in the sun. But there is nothing unusual going on.
Since I obtained my doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College, England my career has spanned two climate cycles. Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970's global cooling became the consensus. This proves that consensus is not a scientific fact. By the 1990's temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I'll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling.
No doubt passive acceptance yields less stress, fewer personal attacks and makes career progress easier. What I have experienced in my personal life during the last years makes me understand why most people choose not to speak out; job security and fear of reprisals. Even in University, where free speech and challenge to prevailing wisdoms are supposedly encouraged, academics remain silent.
I once received a three page letter that my lawyer defined as libellous, from an academic colleague, saying I had no right to say what I was saying, especially in public lectures. Sadly, my experience is that universities are the most dogmatic and oppressive places in our society. This becomes progressively worse as they receive more and more funding from governments that demand a particular viewpoint.
In another instance, I was accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being paid by oil companies. That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club or governments pay there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment?
Personal attacks are difficult and shouldn't occur in a debate in a civilized society. I can only consider them from what they imply. They usually indicate a person or group is losing the debate. In this case, they also indicate how political the entire Global Warming debate has become. Both underline the lack of or even contradictory nature of the evidence.
I am not alone in this journey against the prevalent myth. Several well-known names have also raised their voices. Michael Crichton, the scientist, writer and filmmaker is one of them. In his latest book, "State of Fear" he takes time to explain, often in surprising detail, the flawed science behind Global Warming and other imagined environmental crises.
Another cry in the wildenerness is Richard Lindzen's. He is an atmospheric physicist and a professor of meteorology at MIT, renowned for his research in dynamic meteorology - especially atmospheric waves. He is also a member of the National Academy of Sciences and has held positions at the University of Chicago, Harvard University and MIT. Linzen frequently speaks out against the notion that significant Global Warming is caused by humans. Yet nobody seems to listen.
I think it may be because most people don't understand the scientific method which Thomas Kuhn so skilfully and briefly set out in his book "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions." A scientist makes certain assumptions and then produces a theory which is only as valid as the assumptions. The theory of Global Warming assumes that CO2 is an atmospheric greenhouse gas and as it increases temperatures rise. It was then theorized that since humans were producing more CO2 than before, the temperature would inevitably rise. The theory was accepted before testing had started, and effectively became a law.
As Lindzen said many years ago: "the consensus was reached before the research had even begun." Now, any scientist who dares to question the prevailing wisdom is marginalized and called a sceptic, when in fact they are simply being good scientists. This has reached frightening levels with these scientists now being called climate change denier with all the holocaust connotations of that word. The normal scientific method is effectively being thwarted.
Meanwhile, politicians are being listened to, even though most of them have no knowledge or understanding of science, especially the science of climate and climate change. Hence, they are in no position to question a policy on climate change when it threatens the entire planet. Moreover, using fear and creating hysteria makes it very difficult to make calm rational decisions about issues needing attention.
Until you have challenged the prevailing wisdom you have no idea how nasty people can be. Until you have re-examined any issue in an attempt to find out all the information, you cannot know how much misinformation exists in the supposed age of information.
I was greatly influenced several years ago by Aaron Wildavsky's book "Yes, but is it true?" The author taught political science at a New York University and realized how science was being influenced by and apparently misused by politics. He gave his graduate students an assignment to pursue the science behind a policy generated by a highly publicised environmental concern. To his and their surprise they found there was little scientific evidence, consensus and justification for the policy. You only realize the extent to which Wildavsky's findings occur when you ask the question he posed. Wildavsky's students did it in the safety of academia and with the excuse that it was an assignment. I have learned it is a difficult question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction.
Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com (http://www.nrsp.com)), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg.
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Anonymous on April 13, 2007, 11:59:57 AM
:rofl:
Title: Intellectuals are the shoe-shine boys of the ruling elite
Post by: Antigen on April 13, 2007, 03:42:14 PM
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I once received a three page letter that my lawyer defined as libellous, from an academic colleague, saying I had no right to say what I was saying, especially in public lectures. Sadly, my experience is that universities are the most dogmatic and oppressive places in our society. This becomes progressively worse as they receive more and more funding from governments that demand a particular viewpoint.
Franklin http://www.archives.upenn.edu/primdocs/ ... osals.html (http://www.archives.upenn.edu/primdocs/1749proposals.html)