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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 06, 2007, 06:32:30 AM
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Billy, it was the following post that people were asking you about. On another thread there were lots of questions posed to you about Hyde's finances and the honesty being shown by the Gauld family who are obviously enriching their pocketbooks to the tune of over 30M dollars!! I will try to find you find you the other thread with the questions, but in the meantime you might want to look at the following thread
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... sc&start=0 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21028&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
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Billy, it was the following post that people were asking you about. On another thread there were lots of questions posed to you about Hyde's finances and the honesty being shown by the Gauld family who are obviously enriching their pocketbooks to the tune of over 30M dollars!! I will try to find you find you the other thread with the questions, but in the meantime you might want to look at the following thread
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... sc&start=0 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21028&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
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Hyde has been in the business of delivering a product "Character Education" for forty years. In all those years their has never never never been any attempt to quantify the result. Establish a metric, a set of metrics and track graduates through their adulthood. There is nothing to substantiate any of their claims except anecdotal evidence in the form of graduate/parent testimonials. These are no more believable then the testimony of shills at a medicine show.
Why has this not been done?
1) they are too stupid or lazy
2) they really _are_ that venal and it is all about the money
Pick one
I think you're right. Hyde's data and evidence are very thin indeed. They offer lots of anecdotal claims about their successes but few hard numbers. Here are the questions Hyde should be confronted with and expected to answer:
1. What percentage of students who apply to Hyde are accepted?
2. How many students enroll in each grade, 9 through 12?
3. What percentage of students who enroll in 9th grade actually graduate from Hyde? 10th grade? 11th grade? 12th grade? That is, what percentage of students leave Hyde without graduating?
4. What percentage of Hyde graduates (a) enroll in college, and (b) graduate from college? How do these percentages compare with national figures?
5. When Hyde publicizes parent satisfaction data, who do they include in the sample? Do they include parents who enrolled at Hyde but left, or only those who lasted through graduation (who, obviously, are the people most likely to be satisfied with Hyde)? Does Hyde stack the deck by including only those who stay at Hyde until the end, or do they include everyone who enrolled? How honest is Hyde about the data they report?
Billy: I notice that you haven't responded to this request for information. Have you shared these questions with Hyde staff? Have you received a response?
Billy: It's been quite some time since someone asked you to respond to these questions. I'm curious to know why you haven't responded.
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please show me a school that posts negative parent feedback. i'm talking about the other boarding schools or private schools. please be realistic here. as someone in admissions, i honestly don't know some of those answers. from 4 years here, i can DESCRIBE the answeres unofficially with no actual numbers in front of me. also, i really do mean that this year's admissions acceptances are a lot different from the past years. a kid today i toured ended up getting kicked out of his interview. he refused to answer questions and had a bad attitude overall. normally, we might try to get him to come back when "he's ready" meaing...we need you. we were, to my understanding, more desperate for numbers and money. this campus. the young one. but this year's a lot different. and we seem to have more freshmen, for example, coming back next year. usually, a small few would be planning on returning. we have, i believe, 10-12? keep in mind, freshmen class is also fairly small in teh first place. so idk about actual numbers. you can get that just like i can. so why don't you call admissions and ask. and if you want to be dishonest about it, pose as an educational consultant. or you could just ask. idk what the answer will be. probably not too good. the admissions HISTORY isn't too good, the admissions FUTURE AND PRESENT is a lot brighter.
i've got practice now. and a track team to prepare for tomorrow's first meet of the season.
- bill procida '07
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please show me a school that posts negative parent feedback. i'm talking about the other boarding schools or private schools. please be realistic here. as someone in admissions, i honestly don't know some of those answers. from 4 years here, i can DESCRIBE the answeres unofficially with no actual numbers in front of me. also, i really do mean that this year's admissions acceptances are a lot different from the past years. a kid today i toured ended up getting kicked out of his interview. he refused to answer questions and had a bad attitude overall. normally, we might try to get him to come back when "he's ready" meaing...we need you. we were, to my understanding, more desperate for numbers and money. this campus. the young one. but this year's a lot different. and we seem to have more freshmen, for example, coming back next year. usually, a small few would be planning on returning. we have, i believe, 10-12? keep in mind, freshmen class is also fairly small in teh first place. so idk about actual numbers. you can get that just like i can. so why don't you call admissions and ask. and if you want to be dishonest about it, pose as an educational consultant. or you could just ask. idk what the answer will be. probably not too good. the admissions HISTORY isn't too good, the admissions FUTURE AND PRESENT is a lot brighter.
i've got practice now. and a track team to prepare for tomorrow's first meet of the season.
- bill procida '07
Am disappointed in your answer Billy. You are right that schools are not going to post negative feedback, but do they post lies? You and I both know that the stats Hyde posts are not true. Why are they saying that 99% of the graduating class is accepted into a four year college. Don't say anything rather than trying to mislead! If they wanted to tell the truth they would say, "approximately 50% of the graduating class goes onto a four year college." At least this was the correct stats for my graduating class and even then about 25% dropped out within a year. I don't think Hyde or any school should mislead parents. Keeping part of the truth from someone is as good as lying in my book! Agreed?
Speaking of which I am very surprised you would recommend lying to the school in order to get information.
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I agree, big difference between sins of omissions vs. sins of commission (i.e., flat out lies). Plus there is that less than aromatic way Hyde goes about cooking the books. See this thread re. making sure the percentage of graduates appears favorable, and the consequences (to students and parents) thereof:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21094 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21094)
Somehow any action or behavior that Hyde doesn't like gets labeled "dishonest" or "cowardly." Pretty bizarre. Those labels have emotional baggage and connotations that are completely not in keeping with their context.
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the lying bit was kind of sarcastic. the 99% acceptance rate was true, actually. i know this year, we have 2 kids going on to do P.G. years, and almost everyone has gotten in, but there are still some waiting to hear back. i know one may not get into schools due to a credit thing and will enter next spring...but i think it's now like 97-98%. that's actually true. at least in my past 4 years. they post all the seniors and what schools they got into and continuously update it as we hear back. if you're a former student, what were the statistics for your class? what i've said applies to the woodstock campus only. i don't know stats for bath. and as for the hyde d.c. school, seniors can't graduate there until they are accepted into a college. that might change, but they have a 100% acceptance rate, obviously due to that criteria for graduation. the other questions asked, you can call up and ask admissions yourself from 9-4 monday through friday. i don't need to do research you can do yourself. it's P.A. time.
next question....
- Bill Procida '07
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please show me a school that posts negative parent feedback. i'm talking about the other boarding schools or private schools. please be realistic here. as someone in admissions, i honestly don't know some of those answers. from 4 years here, i can DESCRIBE the answeres unofficially with no actual numbers in front of me. also, i really do mean that this year's admissions acceptances are a lot different from the past years. a kid today i toured ended up getting kicked out of his interview. he refused to answer questions and had a bad attitude overall. normally, we might try to get him to come back when "he's ready" meaing...we need you. we were, to my understanding, more desperate for numbers and money. this campus. the young one. but this year's a lot different. and we seem to have more freshmen, for example, coming back next year. usually, a small few would be planning on returning. we have, i believe, 10-12? keep in mind, freshmen class is also fairly small in teh first place. so idk about actual numbers. you can get that just like i can. so why don't you call admissions and ask. and if you want to be dishonest about it, pose as an educational consultant. or you could just ask. idk what the answer will be. probably not too good. the admissions HISTORY isn't too good, the admissions FUTURE AND PRESENT is a lot brighter.
i've got practice now. and a track team to prepare for tomorrow's first meet of the season.
- bill procida '07
Am disappointed in your answer Billy. You are right that schools are not going to post negative feedback, but do they post lies? You and I both know that the stats Hyde posts are not true. Why are they saying that 99% of the graduating class is accepted into a four year college. Don't say anything rather than trying to mislead! If they wanted to tell the truth they would say, "approximately 50% of the graduating class goes onto a four year college." At least this was the correct stats for my graduating class and even then about 25% dropped out within a year. I don't think Hyde or any school should mislead parents. Keeping part of the truth from someone is as good as lying in my book! Agreed?
Speaking of which I am very surprised you would recommend lying to the school in order to get information.
Don't be bustin on my man billy. He said. "if you want to be dishonest" He did not tell you to lie. Besides these days it is called "pretexting" All the big companies do it.
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Don't be bustin on my man billy. He said. "if you want to be dishonest" He did not tell you to lie. Besides these days it is called "pretexting" All the big companies do it.
'Cuz he's probably NOT "{your} man, Billy;" at the very least, not any more!
::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll::
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the lying bit was kind of sarcastic. the 99% acceptance rate was true, actually. i know this year, we have 2 kids going on to do P.G. years, and almost everyone has gotten in, but there are still some waiting to hear back. i know one may not get into schools due to a credit thing and will enter next spring...but i think it's now like 97-98%. that's actually true. at least in my past 4 years. they post all the seniors and what schools they got into and continuously update it as we hear back. if you're a former student, what were the statistics for your class? what i've said applies to the woodstock campus only. i don't know stats for bath. and as for the hyde d.c. school, seniors can't graduate there until they are accepted into a college. that might change, but they have a 100% acceptance rate, obviously due to that criteria for graduation. the other questions asked, you can call up and ask admissions yourself from 9-4 monday through friday. i don't need to do research you can do yourself. it's P.A. time.
next question....
- Bill Procida '07
Hi Billy. Thanks for your very insightful and honest posts. I have been very disturbed reading about those 990's which are the IRS forms for non profits like Hyde. Did you ask your friends at Hyde about this?. How come Joey gets up in front of the parents at family weekends and literally begs for money when he doesn't need it? He gets a little carried away with what bad shape the school is in and how they need this money to improve the facilities. I don't understand how he can ask in good concience for money from kids who can barely buy clothes.
Please let me know what you think about this whole thing with the forced donations
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Don't be bustin on my man billy. He said. "if you want to be dishonest" He did not tell you to lie. Besides these days it is called "pretexting" All the big companies do it.
'Cuz he's probably NOT "{your} man, Billy;" at the very least, not any more!
::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll::
He is just a kid who drank some kool aide. I like him. I think he has character. I am sending my recommendation to Laura for his graduation.
Emil
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the lying bit was kind of sarcastic. the 99% acceptance rate was true, actually. i know this year, we have 2 kids going on to do P.G. years, and almost everyone has gotten in, but there are still some waiting to hear back. i know one may not get into schools due to a credit thing and will enter next spring...but i think it's now like 97-98%. that's actually true. at least in my past 4 years. they post all the seniors and what schools they got into and continuously update it as we hear back. if you're a former student, what were the statistics for your class? what i've said applies to the woodstock campus only. i don't know stats for bath. and as for the hyde d.c. school, seniors can't graduate there until they are accepted into a college. that might change, but they have a 100% acceptance rate, obviously due to that criteria for graduation. the other questions asked, you can call up and ask admissions yourself from 9-4 monday through friday. i don't need to do research you can do yourself. it's P.A. time.
next question....
- Bill Procida '07
Hi Billy. Thanks for your very insightful and honest posts. I have been very disturbed reading about those 990's which are the IRS forms for non profits like Hyde. Did you ask your friends at Hyde about this?. How come Joey gets up in front of the parents at family weekends and literally begs for money when he doesn't need it? He gets a little carried away with what bad shape the school is in and how they need this money to improve the facilities. I don't understand how he can ask in good concience for money from kids who can barely buy clothes.
Please let me know what you think about this whole thing with the forced donations
Billy, why do you answer other questions, but you won't react to the topic of Hyde's finances or ask Hyde about them?Don't you think this is very important if we are to trust Hyde and the things they say?
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simply because i dont' know much of anything about the financial stuff at hyde. i also don't mind much since money is not what the school is about. that has nothing to do with character.
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money is not what the school is about
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
$30 million dollars, at least SIX corporations/foundations/trusts that we've been able to find, bought with a legacy of tortured, damaged souls!
For your own sanity, if nothing else, stop drinking the kool-aide, boy!
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simply because i dont' know much of anything about the financial stuff at hyde. i also don't mind much since money is not what the school is about. that has nothing to do with character.
You couldn't be more wrong Billy. It is ALL ABOUT CHARACTER!! Lies, and more lies, and you say this isn't about character? I am not sure about you, guy!
Hyde gets up on the podium crying and begging for money from many already struggling parents and you say this is not about character? You are very naive. It proves that the "family" is all about MONEY, not CHARACTER!!!
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right... "family" values.... GAULD family finances!
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simply because i dont' know much of anything about the financial stuff at hyde. i also don't mind much since money is not what the school is about. that has nothing to do with character.
I guess I would expect this kind of reply from a guy whose father worships Donald Trump, one of the biggest scumbags of all time!! Smart? Yes! Nice or having a kind character? Not a chance!!
I do think you are a decent kid Bill, but I question how you respond to posts that are most comfortable for you to answer and ignore the ones you aren't comfortable with. You write, "I also don't mind much since money is not what the school is about. that has nothing to do with character." Are you sure this is what you truly believe or is it that you don't want to look at that side of Hyde because it will disappoint you to see such evil? You are wrong. Hyde is about money. Think about it Bill. They charge a fortune to go to Hyde and obviously don't spend it on services, they spend 50% of the family weekend time pleading for money, they spend tons on fundraising, ie the 990's. It is ALL ABOUT MONEY, babe!!
Since you are the only one Hyde allows to post on this board, I would appreciate if you would ask Hyde about the false statements they make about the financial condition of the school. It's strange that you say this isn't important yet you are a senior who supposedly believes in brothers keeper. This IS BROTHERS KEEPER. Hyde needs to be confronted on the lies they tell.
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Whew!!! I couldn't have said it better myself! And Bill, one does wonder why you are the only one allowed to post here. Are you the designated TROLL?
Donald Trump? Maybe that connection has something to do with NYU... Hmm...
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anyone's allowed to post. no one at hyde is not allowed to post. some kids know about the site, but they ahve better things to do. i make some time to put my two cents in. no one is forbidden to post. no one assigns me to post. no one says i have to post. i found this on my own back in august while googling the phrase "i hate hyde" after reading stupid posts on myspace/facebook by kids that used to go here that have nothign better to do then bash a school. so i was curious what else was out there
and i try not to answer questions i don't know the answers to. sorry, but i'm not in the "finance meetings". so i really couldn't tell you. i just don't know. and it's not on the top of my to-do list.
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anyone's allowed to post. no one at hyde is not allowed to post. some kids know about the site, but they ahve better things to do. i make some time to put my two cents in. no one is forbidden to post. no one assigns me to post. no one says i have to post. i found this on my own back in august while googling the phrase "i hate hyde" after reading stupid posts on myspace/facebook by kids that used to go here that have nothign better to do then bash a school. so i was curious what else was out there
and i try not to answer questions i don't know the answers to. sorry, but i'm not in the "finance meetings". so i really couldn't tell you. i just don't know. and it's not on the top of my to-do list.
Kids have better things to do??? Whoooaaaah!!! Finances not on the top of your list? You seem like a nice enough guy, but u really need to think about the honesty in these comments. I want to believe you are smart enough to know that most of the kids at Hyde fear what might happen to them. It ain't too nice being on 2-4 especially in the winter time. As far as the finances, I think you DONT WANT to look at this because your bubble might burst should u open ur eyes to the lack of truthfulness on Hyde's part. Then again maybe it doesn't mean anything to u because u have never had to worry about money? I started supporting myself recently and it makes a big difference in how u look at life.
Bottom line is that u r still drinking from the same koolaid many of us drank from. I want to see how u feel in another five or six yrs. I hope u don't fall into the trap of sticking around Hyde for years like the the War---k family has. Nice people, but definitely drank too much koolaid. More followers of Joey. U seem to b too smart for that. I wish u well Bill.
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lessee.... your internet access is through Hyde's ISP, and it's probably got a proxy tracking the community's visitations, as any even medium-sized company generally does these days, and if kids post, then the info exchange can probably be tied to the specific computer, depending on the setup. And then there was that issue with that guy a while ago... can't remember his name... posted something negative, set up a website... and look at what happened to him!? A bit of a chilling effect, eh? sigh... Tsk, tsk, tsk... Billy, Billy, Billy... do you really think we're that dumb?