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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: shanker on February 25, 2007, 09:12:45 PM
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Does anyone have any info on a {NEW PROGRAM FOR TEENS AT RISK} called Whispering Pines?It is Located about 10 mile From Spring Creek Lodge in Montana. They are advertising that they have room for 48 teens. The directors name is Mike Linderman he is suppose to be a licenced clinical psychologist. I think he worked for Spring Creek at the same time they had a girl there that commited suicide. There is also a guy named Glen Schenavar that is named as Manager of operations that also worked for or was paid by Spring Creek Lodge. I have heard that there are several other people that work there that also worked for Spring Creek Lodge. Are these 2 programs linked? Also there is a guy named JIM DORRIN that is suposed to be a multi millionair from California that put up the money for the bussiness. Any Info would be helpful.
Thanks
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Mike was the head of Cabinet Mountain Mental Health which was the counseling services provided to SCLA. My understanding is that Mike was gifted the land to start his own school.
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Gifted???? By Who??? Spring creek Lodge??? Is this a way to move kids around at Spring Creek??. I have heard that Mike Linderman supervised all treatment for all the students at Spring Creek Lodge including the girl that commited suicide. There is a rumor at the local school that Glen Schenavar ran a wilderness program for Spring Creek and he had a serious incident with a girl student. Seems a little strange that a new program would hire / gift these 2 people with a lawsuit pending. Still wondering if there is a connection between the 2 programs. Something doesn't add up!
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I don't know that you are going to find a hard connection between the school. Many soft connections.
Mike should have been at SCLA at the time of the girls death. You might want to read the book Come Back. It is written by Mia and Claire Fontaine and Mike is mentioned in the book. Mia graduated from SCL after her first school out of the states closed.
I can't tell you much about who did the gifting and my information was delivered from my child who attended and was pulled from SCL and another parent who talked with Mike.
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Keep in mind also that Mike was part of Cabinet Mountaion Mental Health which has seperate billing from SCLA billing. Their offices are on the same campus. Not sure if that matters or not.
While I don't agree with all that goes on at the WWASP schools I do think that Mike is probably a good guy. At the end of the day it is a business and some kids/families get shafted if they aren't paying attention. These schools are needed and I was glad they were there when I was facing my kid possibly having a very short life if something didn't interrupt their pattern of behavior. The schools should be regulated in some manner.
Did you watch the Montane PBS special on boarding schools. It was titled "Who's watching the kids".
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Mike Linderman is writing a book. ISBN 0061238651
titled The Teen Whisperer. Is it the SCL Mike Linderman?
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Did some more digging and found this:
Linderman, Mike
*THE TEEN WHISPERER: How to Break Through the Silence and Secrecy that Defines Teenage Life
Over the last ten years, psychologist Mike Linderman has saved the lives of thousands of teens at the Spring Creek
Lodge, a school for troubled young adults. He has mastered the art of breaking through the secrets teens keep in
order to get to the root of their problems. Most of the teens Linderman treats are angry, abused, violent, and
dangerous ? they are children without hope. With a blend of down-home honesty, military-like discipline and a layer
of trust and love very rarely found in the therapist?s office, he has achieved an extraordinary success rate in helping
these teens turn their lives around forever, earning him the nickname ?the Teen Whisperer.? Linderman shares with
parents the rules that show teens how to trust themselves and others; process emotion and pain in healthy ways;
understand boundaries; gain joy and pride in work; and live a life of love, respect and gratitude. Linderman has
worked with some of the worst of today?s teens, but he sees the same problems in families everywhere. Now,
Linderman shares his secrets for healing the family crisis, and reclaiming our children from the secrets that they
keep. Regan
Publication: May 2007 (SH)
Estimated length: 256
Manuscript available: November 2006
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::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke::
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http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... =121584029 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=121584029)
Wow! :o Hoards of young women, who Looovvvveee him, and Miiisssss him, and Neeeeed him. Who call him on the cell phone. Curious to say the least.
"mr mike....is your thing going to been done this yr? im still thinking about it....coming up there. what do you think?"
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Well, either he's one of those perverts who knows just how to inflict Stockholm on a lot of naive girls, or he's simply made a lot more MySpace accounts and taken the faces from his enormous stash of child porn.
Either way.
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Duplicate thread.
See also:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... 578a87b5bd (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=20762&sid=6564cca81b2a68f6d7e4a2578a87b5bd)
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simple way to eliminate this perv. Private investigator + 600mm lens + press.
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Mike was the head of Cabinet Mountain Mental Health which was the counseling services provided to SCLA. My understanding is that Mike was gifted the land to start his own school.
I just heard that Mike Linderman was fired or quit Whispering Pines. It hasn't even opened it's doors yet :evil: According to the local newspaper it is to open in June. Doesn't sound like Mike Linderman was gifted anything but a sale job :cry2: So I wonder who is behind Whispering Pines??? There are still rumors around that Glen Schenavar ex :question: Spring Creek employee / house painter is opening it for Spring Creek or is tied in with a Jim Dorrian from California.
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Below is from the website of Claireandmia.com, authors of Come Back, an account of Claire's daughter Mia's stay at WWASP Morava, then transferred to Spring Creek where she was treated by Mike Linderman. Come Back was not very Pro "the Company" (WWASP) when Morava was closed, but the book is very pro Glenn, head of Morava & staff there. Also very positive in book about Mike Linderman. Claire was founding member of Whispering Pines. I would guess she started it for Mike to work there (just a guess).:roll:
Claire Fontaine is an author and screenwriter who has worked with numerous award-winning producers and directors. She was the recipient of the European Manuscript Development Award (MediaOne Award). After her experience with Mia, she founded the LA Family Support Group to assist families in crisis. She is a founding board member of Whispering Pines Academy, a non-profit, state-of-the-art adolescent diagnostic and treatment facility opening in the summer of 2007. She continues to write and is currently developing memoir writing retreats and, along with Mia, mother/daughter writing workshops. Come Back has been selected as Book of the Month by the Target Book Club.
http://www.kidspeace.org/training_national.htm (http://www.kidspeace.org/training_national.htm)
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Yeah, the program Morava she referred to as "oddly" being accused of being abusive.
This lady is a piece of work IMO. Another parent who thinks they are experts in raising other people's kids. I saw them on Bill O'Reilly. Of course, he had not done his homework. He should have had Maia Szalvitz as a guest instead.
Let's just hope the same thing doesn't happen with another program parent turned book-writer named Sue Scheff. That would really put me over the top.
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Yeah, the program Morava she referred to as "oddly" being accused of being abusive.
This lady is a piece of work IMO. Another parent who thinks they are experts in raising other people's kids. I saw them on Bill O'Reilly. Of course, he had not done his homework. He should have had Maia Szalvitz as a guest instead.
Let's just hope the same thing doesn't happen with another program parent turned book-writer named Sue Scheff. That would really put me over the top.
Bitch can hardly even spell, much less write a book. She has been "writing" that thing since I can remember.... it's a "I am writing a book" tactic to make her look educated, IMHO.
But seriously... What else did you expect from O'Reilly, or any journalist nowadays. blah... Turn off your TV for a year. Just do it. You'll be surprised at just how much your perception of the world changes without "information" being constantly jammed down your throat.
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Yeah, the program Morava she referred to as "oddly" being accused of being abusive.
This lady is a piece of work IMO. Another parent who thinks they are experts in raising other people's kids. I saw them on Bill O'Reilly. Of course, he had not done his homework. He should have had Maia Szalvitz as a guest instead.
Let's just hope the same thing doesn't happen with another program parent turned book-writer named Sue Scheff. That would really put me over the top.
Bitch can hardly even spell, much less write a book. She has been "writing" that thing since I can remember.... it's a "I am writing a book" tactic to make her look educated, IMHO.
But seriously... What else did you expect from O'Reilly, or any journalist nowadays. blah... Turn off your TV for a year. Just do it. You'll be surprised at just how much your perception of the world changes without "information" being constantly jammed down your throat.
OK, so journalists are bad, TVs are bad, and all prgrams are evil. Do we have this straight? And, since she agrees with you--in spite of so much evidence to the contrary--Maia Szalivitz is good. Hmmm.
Have you read the book Come Back? Do you advocate turning off your mind as well as your TV? The book is well written and insightful.
It's OK to be respectful to people whose ideas are different than your own. It can even make the world a better place. Certainly, it would improve the Internet.
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Some people see this book as nothing but propaganda for a dangerous unregulated industry and for that reason alone, would not even consider reading it, much less purchasing it to benefit the authors.
Out of control teens from dysfunctional middle-to-upper-class homes is what this industry thrives on.
It's appalling this mother apparently chooses to exploit the CURRENT lack of safeguards to protect children and parents from exploitation and fraud in the name of private "treatment". No regulations means UNSAFE regardless of whether program owners, ed cons, parents, referral agents and any others "get" that or not.
Thank God this situation is about to change and all these entreprenuers and opportunists cashing in on children and families will soon be looking for another way to make a buck or at least have to have a lot more money to invest to ensure they are in compliance with tougher laws and regulations governing their private for-profit "businesses".
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Just for you people that don't know Mike Linderman, you shouldn't judge him unless you know him. What happened with the girl that committed suicide at SCLA had nothing to with his fault. He is also not a pervert, but a caring man who wants to help people pull themselves out of shit they shouldn't have become involved in in the first place. So unless you know him and what he does personally, keep your mouths shut. He started to help with the Whispering Pines program, but chose to take time off to write a set of books for Harper Collins Publishing. Unless you are 100% positive about the things you are saying, then don't say them at all.
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MIKE LINDERMAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT GIRL KILLING HERSELF. HE IS A GODDAMN PERVERT WHO SHOULD HAVE HIS SKULL SMASHED IN WITH A HAMMER.
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No, he really isn't. He was responsible for her therapy not watching her every move. There are many staff members that are responsible for watching the students at all times, but not Mike. She obviously didn't want to be here and that was her choice. Believe it or not many people that work up at that school are haunted by the very memory of that girl hanging herself. Many of them question themselves, but using the bathroom is kind of a personal matter and a little privacy was given to her and she took advantage of that. Would it have made a difference if she had committed suicide when she wasn't in that school? Who would you blame then? And I bet you wouldn't have even heard about it then. Just clear your mind and think for a second. Thousands of kids have gone through that program and one commits suicide, but what about all the others that have turned their life around? What about Mia Fontaine? Mike is not a pervert at all. I'm sorry to hear that you think a person caring about the people he works with is a bad thing. Being nice caring person is completely different from being a pervert. Maybe if you spent five minutes with Mike you would change your mind. In fact, I know you would. So don't judge people unless you know the whole story and you know them personally. Not all rumors are true.
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SCL from most people's account is an abusive hell hole. No matter the good intentions the school and it's staff are responsible for that young lady's death. Wanting to do good is no excuse for wrong actions and programmies truly need to get that through their head.
You say people that work at the school are haunted, then why do they continue the abuse or keep quiet about it? They should mourn everyday of their life and the lives of their children for what they caused or allowed to happen.
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It's times like this whether I wonder if they really do put something in the Kool-Aid over in WWASPS land. Do you have even the remotest fucking clue what forum this is?
Do you think we don't know what happens in WWASPS programs, particularly the little hellhole known as Spring Creek Lodge? About the seminars, the level systems, the brutality and the humiliation? The little thing known as an isolation box? Oh, and the fact that you keep them from having this little thing known as a normal life, maybe? There's someone on this forum who goes by Spring Creek Survivor who won't even let his parents see their grandchildren because of what was done to him by your precious shithead Mike Linderman and his fellow child torturers. Of course Mike got his rocks off doing it. Why the hell else would he work there?
And suicide prevention? That's a goddamn joke. He fucking drove her to it! After what Mike and the rest of them did to her, suicide was a good choice. She took the quick way out. The rest of them- especially the permanently mentally scarred ones who you so laughably describe as "turned around"- don't have it so easy.
You don't have a Goddamn clue what the hell you're doing to these kids, and you don't even fucking care. When the last of these hellholes is erased from this planet, it will be cause for celebration.
Get the fuck out.
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OK, so journalists are bad, TVs are bad, and all prgrams are evil. Do we have this straight? And, since she agrees with you--in spite of so much evidence to the contrary--Maia Szalivitz is good. Hmmm.
Have you read the book Come Back? Do you advocate turning off your mind as well as your TV? The book is well written and insightful.
It's OK to be respectful to people whose ideas are different than your own. It can even make the world a better place. Certainly, it would improve the Internet.
I read come back and it did not make either place sound all bad. However there were many red flags. The Mother was a comedy stereotype. She was totally clueless. Both places had an unholy obsession with making the adolescents regress into some child like state.
When Mia came out she had trouble fitting in with other kids and mainly hung with her parent and their friends (now that is so healthy)
There were many issues glossed over. Why would a hard bitten police Chief from a very recently former communist country be so horrified with the oppression of the kids that he wanted the parents investigated by the FBI for sending them? Afterall the bloke would not be some kind of western liberal.
Why would a parent not be disturbed by a group therapy session which involved kids rolling around crying on the floor? (Mummy staffed one remember)
What kind of parenting would have a jewish kid running away with a truckload of nazis?
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In Denmark we have an interesting case in court. A wife had cancer for year and she have been through a lot. New tumour had to be treated and she had spoken to her husband about ending it because she would not take another round at the hospital so one morning when the husband went to work, she took a lot of pills and pulled a plastic bag down over her head. Done deal.
What the trial is about is to determine whether the husband should have stepped in and reported her speaking to the hospital. Was he responsible or not?
That is a grey area.
But once a person enters a facility, we have clear laws. The facility takes over the responsibility of the person. If a person is committed either with or against his or her will, they have to take into consideration, that suicide is a valid option, this person could choose.
Some 4 months ago I had a relative committed to a hospital because this person had stopped taking vital medicine with the goal of dying within 2 weeks. I took her to the person to doctor, who asked whether the person would be evaluated in the local mental hospital. Fortunately the person agreed. Also very fortunately the person agreed to be committed once the evaluation showed that an inpatient treatment was needed.
At the minute this person stepped over the doorstep on the intake, strategies about how to avoid suiside was planned. No long wires. Only bath or showers with a relative in the room. Medication only given by staff. Monitored kitchen (patients in Denmark makes coffee and prepare dinner delivered from a kitchen.)
All these precautions are taken because the hospital is responsible for all patients in their facility regardless how they try to take their own lives.
SCL had the responsibility from the very minute this poor girl entered the facility. Someone was not doing their job and had to be procecuted or at least losing their job.
It goes for TB as well. It was no accident. It was a suicide. Some of the former victims have seen the suicide note. (It was stated on Myspace.)
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No.. its worst than suicide. It's negligent homicide.
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SCL from most people's account is an abusive hell hole. No matter the good intentions the school and it's staff are responsible for that young lady's death. Wanting to do good is no excuse for wrong actions and programmies truly need to get that through their head.
You say people that work at the school are haunted, then why do they continue the abuse or keep quiet about it? They should mourn everyday of their life and the lives of their children for what they caused or allowed to happen.
Could you define "most people?" I mean, for the sake of argument. Do you mean a 50%+ portion of the billions our planet supports? Or do you mean the 12.05 people who think this forum has a scrap of validity?
And how about defining "hell-hole"? Is this a scientific or medical term? Is one hell hole deeper than another, and therefore more hellish than another? Is the term meant to conjure horrific images of kids forced to do their schoolwork rather than do drugs, or would a closer vision be something like a semi trailer full of dead mothers and children who were so desperate they took a ride across the US border in an oven? I wonder if folks like that would agree with you that a hundred acres of pristine forest, six hours of school and 2500 calories a day constitutes hell? Are you being just a tad dramatic here?
And if imaginary abuse occurs, but everyone keeps quiet about it, does it make a sound? Or if abuse is imaginary, will talking about it louder and more stridently make it true?
Just asking . . .
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Regarding responsibility off the girl committing suicide, it does not matter whether the place is a hell-hole or not.
What matters is that they took her in. The minute they did that she should regard her choosing to take her own life as a option, they should watch her for until she leaves the facility. Levels does not matter. Until she leaves the facility, they should guard her.
But we are talking of locking people up here. In a country, which should fight for democracy and human rights, locking people up should take a conviction in a court of law.
She was not convicted. Most of the children at SCL is not. Of course they should regard it as a hell-hole. They are not there for anything else than being locked up for no reason. Such children should have access to an independent lawyer.
I am glad that the last Danish soldier left Iraq this week. I am totally against terrorism and voilence of any kid. The people behind 9/11 should be hanged from the highest tree after receiving a conviction for their crimes. But we joined the other forces because we wanted to implement democracy in the Middle East. What we see here is not democracy, so we will choose our battlegrounds carefully in the future.
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I can just imagine this twit sticking its fingers in its ears and going "La la la, there is no isolation box, la la la, they're treated with respect, la la la..."
You know what, bitch? I'm going to lock you up in a small room in the middle of 100 acres of pristine forest for, oh hell, a year. And rape you daily, and give you second-grader's schoolbooks to read, and make you study them for six hours a day, as well as 2500 calories of lard.
And then I'm going to get on the Internet and claim anything you might say about it is "imaginary abuse".
How'll that work out for ya?
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Regarding responsibility off the girl committing suicide, it does not matter whether the place is a hell-hole or not.
What matters is that they took her in. The minute they did that she should regard her choosing to take her own life as a option, they should watch her for until she leaves the facility. Levels does not matter. Until she leaves the facility, they should guard her.
But we are talking of locking people up here. In a country, which should fight for democracy and human rights, locking people up should take a conviction in a court of law.
She was not convicted. Most of the children at SCL is not. Of course they should regard it as a hell-hole. They are not there for anything else than being locked up for no reason. Such children should have access to an independent lawyer.
I am glad that the last Danish soldier left Iraq this week. I am totally against terrorism and voilence of any kid. The people behind 9/11 should be hanged from the highest tree after receiving a conviction for their crimes. But we joined the other forces because we wanted to implement democracy in the Middle East. What we see here is not democracy, so we will choose our battlegrounds carefully in the future.
My suggestion? Read the files. They're public information. They show, if nothing else, you have no sense of what happens in this country or its schools in general, or during this incident in particular.
Forgive the contradiction, but we are not, in fact, talking about locking people up; the school has no locks. Nor are we talking about corporal punishment; the school expressly forbids it. We are not, apparently, talking about anything that you know about.
And for the sake of accuracy, we are not talking about democracy, either. This is a republic--a representative form of government.
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I can just imagine this twit sticking its fingers in its ears and going "La la la, there is no isolation box, la la la, they're treated with respect, la la la..."
You know what, bitch? I'm going to lock you up in a small room in the middle of 100 acres of pristine forest for, oh hell, a year. And rape you daily, and give you second-grader's schoolbooks to read, and make you study them for six hours a day, as well as 2500 calories of lard.
And then I'm going to get on the Internet and claim anything you might say about it is "imaginary abuse".
How'll that work out for ya?
I bow in deference to the voice of reason . . . :rofl:
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I would just like to step in and say that as a resident of Montana and having been around quite a few "programs" and speaking to kids in them, I know that alot of "sketchy" stuff goes on. While I don't agree with programs, I think that this has been taken a little too far. I mean seriously... rape threats?? I know both Glenn and Mike. I know there may have been some things in Mike's past that might make him less trust worthy and intelligent on the matter of teenage behavior such as his myspace comments and things in his personal life, but the real question here has nothing to do with Mike. The real question is why aren't there more laws focused on Behaivor Modification Schools and the qualifications of the people who work there???
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You have got to be kidding. You are either Glen Or mike I would guess. If you really knew them you wouldn't be posting here . Let us really know why they were both let go from spring creek and whispering pines/ turning leaves. It wouldn't have anytrhing to do with sex on campus would it? How about Money grabbing from anyone you could and not having any worthy morals? How about real estate deals?How about not having a clue about what it is you are doing? Writing books, what a joke how about working in Idaho for yet another program. I know all I need to know about both of them and the spring creek people behind Whispering pines / Turning leaves. They will be looking for the next way to make a buck shortly I would predict.
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You have got to be kidding. You are either Glen Or mike I would guess. If you really knew them you wouldn't be posting here . Let us really know why they were both let go from spring creek and whispering pines/ turning leaves. It wouldn't have anytrhing to do with sex on campus would it? How about Money grabbing from anyone you could and not having any worthy morals? How about real estate deals?How about not having a clue about what it is you are doing? Writing books, what a joke how about working in Idaho for yet another program. I know all I need to know about both of them and the spring creek people behind Whispering pines / Turning leaves. They will be looking for the next way to make a buck shortly I would predict.
I know them, and I'm posting. Sex on campus? Pure BS. And considering you know everything you need to, how about the fact that Glen never worked at SCL? Or the fact that Mike wasn't let go, but chose to leave so he could do his book tour? How about the fact that SCL people had nothing to do with the new program . . . it was a bunch out of California who set it up as a non-profit. It included at least one disgruntled parent of a kid that went to another MT program--nothing to do with SCL. Worthy morals might include not badmouthing folks you don't know anyhing about.
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I have created a page on Fornits Wiki based on what it is known public.
They have applied for membership of NATSAP, which is something none of the WWASP facilities have bothered to do.
Whispering Pines Academy (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Whispering_Pines_Academy)
I have not put them in the WWASP category (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Category:WWASP) yet. Their actions will speak for themselves. So in due time they will be put in the right category.
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I know them, and I'm posting. Sex on campus? Pure BS. And considering you know everything you need to, how about the fact that Glen never worked at SCL? Or the fact that Mike wasn't let go, but chose to leave so he could do his book tour? How about the fact that SCL people had nothing to do with the new program . . . it was a bunch out of California who set it up as a non-profit. It included at least one disgruntled parent of a kid that went to another MT program--nothing to do with SCL. Worthy morals might include not badmouthing folks you don't know anyhing about.
Who are you Mr(s). Anon?
OR
What is your relation? Which is probably more informative.
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TO A VOICE FROM NOWHERE :rofl:
This is from a voice from somewhere :lol:
If you really know Glen and your are his friend you would know what Glen was doing out in the woods with kids from Spring Creek. You would also know that Chaffin has stated to people in the community. I know that he was let go and replaced by another person who ran there outdoor program until just lately. I know why he was let go. So if you really know him ask him what happened in the woods with the spring creek kids. I have several friends that worked there and they all tell me the same thing. What are his qualifications to be leading groups of kids in the woods or running another program now on its third name change called Turning leaves? There are rumors that several people from spring creek acually are now trying to get Turning leaves up and running. The original managment team has struggled getting kids and so the rumor goes that Chaffin Pullan and several of his managment team from Spring Creek are moving over to turning leaves and taking over. And yes there was something that went on at Whispering Pines/ Turning leaves that got Mike Linderman down the road. I won't be specific because it would hurt people that don't deserve having it put on the internet. Writing a book huh :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: This is not the site you want to be at trying to put a good spin on people that have a history that is well known :o
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I have quite a few friends in Thompson Falls and some have worked at Spring Creek. I also have other friends who know about what is going on in the area. There is a lot of information that has circulated since its such a small town and most of it can be verified as true. Some of it is rumors that don't hold up.
Spring Creek went through a big shakeup over the past year as the Pullin brothers were pushed out by the WASP honchos from out of state. It has been said that this was the result of a civil suit filed when a girl committed suicide at Spring Creek. In any case, the Pullin brothers are gone, along with a bunch of others at the school.
Some of the first who left Spring Creek, including Mike Linderman and Glen Schenavar went to work for a guy named Jim Dorrian in Trout Creek. He built a new program in Trout Creek that has had several names. The last 2 names have been Whispering Pines and Turning Leaf Ranch. I looked Dorrian up on the internet and he's a businessman with no apparent experience with kids. He seems to be an investor in software and computer related companies. Business must be slow.
http://www.cpvp.com/inside/jdorrian.html (http://www.cpvp.com/inside/jdorrian.html)
Glen Schenavar was a house painter in Thompson Falls that did work for Spring Creek for a short time doing some kind of outdoor program. He wasn't on campus much so maybe people didn't realize that he worked there. Schenavar was booted by Spring Creek because he was irresponsible with kids. He evidently left a group of kids in the woods supervised by inexperienced staff and one of the students got into a first aid kit and OD'd on something. Schenavar now works as a real estate agent in Thompson Falls, and the story circulating locally is that he has a reputation of conning people into selling property at dirt cheap prices and ripping them off.
http://www.realty-northwest.com/Agents/ ... navar.html (http://www.realty-northwest.com/Agents/Glenn-Schenavar.html)
So Jim Dorrian, not knowing what he is doing, hired Glen Schenavar and other Spring Creek employees to start up Turning Leaf. Two of these employees were were involved in some scandal and were booted. More people started showing up from out of state to work there and Mike Chisholm from Spring Creek was hired to manage the place. The problem was that they couldn't get any kids ( I wonder why?) and had to lay off most of their employees last Fall. The latest rumor is that Dorrian, Pullin and Chisholm are working together to restart the operation in 2008. Its a small town and most people seem to know most of the facts even though they try to keep it all secret.
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The problem was that they couldn't get any kids ( I wonder why?)
(http://http://www.cspacezone.com/post_img/Owned_Tank.jpg)
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There's more to this story...
The Thompson Falls Ledger had a story about Turning Leaf (when it was Whispering Pines) which talked about Mike Linderman teaming up with Glen Schenavar to start the Whispering Pines program. Schenavar made it sound like it was his program, as if he owned it. The name of the mysterious money man behind it all was a secret. Schenavar was just the promoter who helped the real owner, Jim Dorrian find other staff from Spring Creek who were ready to jump ship and get paid some big bucks to defect. Its like Spring Creek was a sinking ship and Whispering Pines was the only life raft in sight. Now that Chaffin Pullan is part of the team, the new "Spring Creek" is in the making.
"Jim Dorrian didn't have to seek the spotlight in 1999: As a Silicon Valley venture capitalist during the stock market's bull run, he had rock-star status among budding entrepreneurs and local executives, and he lavished funding on interesting ideas.
But with the economy in a funk and the venture-funding spigot clamped shut, the general partner at Woodside, Calif.-based Crosspoint Venture Partners has to work harder to find worthy entrepreneurs".
http://www.news.com/2008-1082-256214.html (http://www.news.com/2008-1082-256214.html)
So, Glen Schenavar was the real estate front man who helped Dorrian find property in Sanders County so Dorrian could find more Spring Creek people to hire and start the program. This is curious since it would look like a clear conflict of interest when Schenavar, as a real estate agent, is supposed to be representing the guy selling the property, helping him get the best deal. I don't know how much that deal was worth or how much property was involved, but I heard it was a lot of real estate and that Dorrian has $ millions sunk into the deal. Schenavar was probably getting a cut on both ends. :roll:
How this will work is beyond my senses...Dorrian wants to be a secret, Pullan will have to be a secret, Pullan fired Schenavar from Spring Creek #1 and Linderman has been booted...this whole fiasco looks like a comedy of errors in the making.
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According to this article Lindermann seems to do some time at Elk Mountain Academy (http://http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-09-26-teen-angst_N.htm) while they are about to establish Wispering Pines.