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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: Covergaard on January 22, 2007, 02:52:10 PM
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You have properly read about the poor girl - Valerie Herron - which jumped from the third floor of TB.
They claimed that it was an accident.
At at the myspace group, a member claims that there was in fact a suicide note.
I quote:
i was that girls buddy. That was cazy!! I saw her jump and we all ran to stop her, I can't believe he tried to say it was an accident. she wrote a suicide note that they never mentioned. Fuck mr. Kay. Thankfully I went home the next day.
So I am looking for D. Cameron Boyle. Her sisters former husband. He wrote on the forum www.cross-x.com (http://www.cross-x.com) a year ago.
If they were informed about the suicide note, it would be easier to put one more of their sick claims aside.
Could I get a little help tracking him down? The parents are in denial.
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http://www.cross-x.com/vb/showthread.ph ... rie+herron (http://www.cross-x.com/vb/showthread.php?t=35497&page=6&highlight=valerie+herron)
Wow, if this guy is to be believed, this family had some serious issues.
How sad.
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So are Landre's parents, full on denial that they sent their kid to an environment that drove them to suicide. Could you accept that reality as it were if you were them? The truth is known by those who were there, most parents could care less to hear it.
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every family has issues.
we all have our beliefs as to what happened in Jamaica.
if someone wants to talk to a family member about this, then contact me.
I am willing to help anyone who wants help.
Please leave my parents out of this. They are burdened enough by her guilt.
you can email me at [email protected] if you have information or something to say to me.
As to your reference to "the sister's ex husband's" post on cross-x, I found the post and asked to please have it removed.
we were separated.
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What was in the post? Yes, now it is gone.
This is why people should never rely on links to document something. Copy and paste. Copy and paste.
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What, this post?
I know you all might find it odd that I am contacting you, but I am fast running out of options in my attempt to keep the parents of Valerie Herron from taking my daughter away from me.
I married Valerie Herron’s sister in the same year that she (Valerie) took her life at Tranquility Bay, Jamaica. Because her family has considerable wealth, it has been difficult for me to defend and or make a case in what has become an absolutely horrible divorce. I am now threatened with the possibility that the grandparents (father/mother of Valerie Herron) could possibly get custody of MY child. We have only one child.
I am largely unfamiliar with Tranquility Bay, or the process by which a teenager is sent there against her will… and from my initial investigation into the matter, I am horrified of what these people are capable of doing in my stead, as I have been the stay-at-home father and primary caregiver for the child since her birth. I could not fathom this happening, but I am being drowned under legal bills and unethical and apathetic lawyers who are quite willing to win regardless of the costs.
Please help me. I need to speak with anyone who was at Tranquility Bay, as you my be my only link between keeping what is left of my family together, or her becoming the ward of monsters.
Thank you all,
D. Cameron Boyle
Grabbed from Google cache (http://http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:hlGNIqg2Au4J:www.cross-x.com/vb/showthread.php%3Fdo%3Dratepost%26p%3D896259%26t%3D35497%26v%3D1%26tui%3D1893+valerie+site:www.cross-x.com+Cameron+Boyle&hl=en). I'd copypaste everything else in that thread, but it's just another dumbshit argument about Tranqulity Bay with half the participants having no fucking clue what they're talking about.
Did you really think you could remove something from the Internet? Stupid bitch.
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I came in right after the whole suiside went down and from what everyone was saying around the time it happened was that she got up to "throw somthing away" and took a running swandive into the courtyard. Accident my ass. Again this is what went around the boys upper levels and than down to us but it probably has some truth to it.
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I live in a town near Sedburgh but back then I made deliveries in that area. I spoke with an employee. THERE WAS A LETTER! What it said did perhaps not make sense, but the director himself destroyed it. A couple of "students" saw it too before he took it and they told the employee I have spoken with that they could not figure out what she had written, before it was forbidden ever to discuss her death again. I guess it could have made sense for the family but it is too late now.
I won't have trouble, so I wont tell my name. The staff is not someone you want to mess with if you take the number of murders here into consideration, but you have to take my word for it.
They destroyed the police investigation and they destroyed evidence. It is a criminal act regardless of the fact that she decided to jump and they perhaps were neglecting her or wasn't told of a possible history of previous suicide attempt. Maybe they are moral responsible, maybe not.
But they are criminals preventing justice when they destroy evidence. It doesn't matter if they did it in your country or my country. Both places it is a crime!
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I live in a town near Sedburgh but back then I made deliveries in that area. I spoke with an employee. THERE WAS A LETTER! What it said did perhaps not make sense, but the director himself destroyed it. A couple of "students" saw it too before he took it and they told the employee I have spoken with that they could not figure out what she had written, before it was forbidden ever to discuss her death again. I guess it could have made sense for the family but it is too late now.
I won't have trouble, so I wont tell my name. The staff is not someone you want to mess with if you take the number of murders here into consideration, but you have to take my word for it.
They destroyed the police investigation and they destroyed evidence. It is a criminal act regardless of the fact that she decided to jump and they perhaps were neglecting her or wasn't told of a possible history of previous suicide attempt. Maybe they are moral responsible, maybe not.
But they are criminals preventing justice when they destroy evidence. It doesn't matter if they did it in your country or my country. Both places it is a crime!
THANK YOU FOR COMING FOWARD WITH THIS INFORMATION!! NO ONE BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU (good people) CARE ABOUT CHILDREN.
Contact ISAC http://www.isaccorp.org/ (http://www.isaccorp.org/) They will help convert your bravery into advocacy on behalf of the victimized youth
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Just a driver,
I second the suggestion to contact ISAC and tell them what you've seen. Yo0u don't have to give up your anonimity to do that-- they'll make sure any personal details you give them will remain confidential.
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But it is hear-say. Would it not be easier to inform the authorities in Jamaica of the identity of the female staff member LW (a girl) took the paper to and who gave the paper to Kay? We know that Kay personally destroyed it, but it was going through two hands: LW and a female staff member.
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i was in op when it happened. all i can say is this. if it was an accident than why land on your head? plus you never pick somebody up and lay them in the back seat of a car with out neck support. especially with a fall greater than 5 feet. dont pick her up and throw her in a freaking car. than key bitched about the blood on his car seats.
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i was in op when it happened. all i can say is this. if it was an accident than why land on your head? plus you never pick somebody up and lay them in the back seat of a car with out neck support. especially with a fall greater than 5 feet. dont pick her up and throw her in a freaking car. than key bitched about the blood on his car seats.
key is a murderer. Why don't Valerie's parents advocate on her behalf? WHy don't the try to spur an investigation? Are they typical "program parents" --uncaring, mentally incompetant brutes?
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i was in op when it happened. all i can say is this. if it was an accident than why land on your head? plus you never pick somebody up and lay them in the back seat of a car with out neck support. especially with a fall greater than 5 feet. dont pick her up and throw her in a freaking car. than key bitched about the blood on his car seats.
key is a murderer. Why don't Valerie's parents advocate on her behalf? WHy don't the try to spur an investigation? Are they typical "program parents" --uncaring, mentally incompetant brutes?
No, they are not program parents. As one our other volunteers have learned from a source close to them, they regret that they believed the information material. That is was a rehab, who could take care of a girl who had been in close encounters with death previous.
They are too broken to be a part of our effort to shout at the authorities until they start a new investigation and charge the staff with obstruction of justice.
Remember that there was no wiki, no fornits, no guardian article etc. back then where they could have received independent information about what is going on inside programs. They were taken like we are saying it in Denmark being taken by the program - got their pants drawn down and ***** at that part of your body which are highest when you pick strawberries. (Sorry I cannot translate it better).
They were victim of a scam, but I don't know if they even want to know of how big a scam, they were victim off.
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got their pants drawn down and ***** at that part of your body which are highest when you pick strawberries. (Sorry I cannot translate it better).
The correct english phrase is "fucked up the ass", but it's not very polite. It's much funnier the way you say it... lol.
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Maybe someone should explain strawberries grow on the ground. I have known people, who never having picked strawberries, think they grow on trees.
So Jay Kay destroyed evidence in this girl's death? Why does this not surprise me? Horrible, Horrible man.
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What, this post?
I know you all might find it odd that I am contacting you, but I am fast running out of options in my attempt to keep the parents of Valerie Herron from taking my daughter away from me.
I married Valerie Herron’s sister in the same year that she (Valerie) took her life at Tranquility Bay, Jamaica. Because her family has considerable wealth, it has been difficult for me to defend and or make a case in what has become an absolutely horrible divorce. I am now threatened with the possibility that the grandparents (father/mother of Valerie Herron) could possibly get custody of MY child. We have only one child.
I am largely unfamiliar with Tranquility Bay, or the process by which a teenager is sent there against her will… and from my initial investigation into the matter, I am horrified of what these people are capable of doing in my stead, as I have been the stay-at-home father and primary caregiver for the child since her birth. I could not fathom this happening, but I am being drowned under legal bills and unethical and apathetic lawyers who are quite willing to win regardless of the costs.
Please help me. I need to speak with anyone who was at Tranquility Bay, as you my be my only link between keeping what is left of my family together, or her becoming the ward of monsters.
Thank you all,
D. Cameron Boyle
Grabbed from Google cache (http://http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:hlGNIqg2Au4J:www.cross-x.com/vb/showthread.php%3Fdo%3Dratepost%26p%3D896259%26t%3D35497%26v%3D1%26tui%3D1893+valerie+site:www.cross-x.com+Cameron+Boyle&hl=en). I'd copypaste everything else in that thread, but it's just another dumbshit argument about Tranqulity Bay with half the participants having no fucking clue what they're talking about.
Did you really think you could remove something from the Internet? Stupid bitch.
EXCUSE ME????
Who the fuck are you calling a stupid bitch? I didn't say I HAD it removed. I said I requested to have it removed. It was untrue and totally irrelavent. If you have something to say to me, I posted my email address. Have some balls and just SAY IT. I'm not here to pick a fight with some uneducated Utah Mormon, I'm here to sympathize with those who lost family members to the worldwide torture chambers these people have set in place.
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i was in op when it happened. all i can say is this. if it was an accident than why land on your head? plus you never pick somebody up and lay them in the back seat of a car with out neck support. especially with a fall greater than 5 feet. dont pick her up and throw her in a freaking car. than key bitched about the blood on his car seats.
key is a murderer. Why don't Valerie's parents advocate on her behalf? WHy don't the try to spur an investigation? Are they typical "program parents" --uncaring, mentally incompetant brutes?
And just what retaliation do you propose after 8 years since you seem to be so full of ideas?
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sue Ken Kay! and the lot of them! You just received new info about his guilt level invovling hiding the note. New info like that and your statute of limitation has been extended!
I am not a lawyer and no expert. But I beleive I am correct on this?
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sue Ken Kay! and the lot of them! You just received new info about his guilt level invovling hiding the note. New info like that and your statute of limitation has been extended!
I am not a lawyer and no expert. But I beleive I am correct on this?
the problume is its hearsay. i heard it i did not see it. the girl that found the note is the witness not me. i do not know the girls name and have not heard from her. now if we find her and she is willing to testify than ya val could sue. but you cant go off of hearsay. (i know its true but the courts would not.)
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well call a lawyer and get advise. People get sued for all manner of things. try
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Put up a web site: ValerieHuron's/suicidnotewitnessearch dot com - or something like. Explain the problem - ask anyone with info to contact you. There are probably more witnesses than you think. Oftentimes they seem to wait many years before they begin searching the net for info - but they often eventually do -and maybe you can help them find you. They will probably google terms like Tranquility Bay, Ken Kay, WWASP/S - even Valerie's name looking for info.
I know I have seen accounts by kids who claim to have been witness of the event, but I can't recall having seen mention of the note before.
My Space has a Tranquility Bay group - you may want to join and ask them to ask around.
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sue Ken Kay! and the lot of them! You just received new info about his guilt level invovling hiding the note. New info like that and your statute of limitation has been extended!
I am not a lawyer and no expert. But I beleive I am correct on this?
Nothing is impossible...but there is a statute of limitations, and who is to say that i "just found out" about the suicide note? Kay's lawyers will 1) deny it was ever there, and 2) say i suspected it all along. Look, I know how the court system works...lawyers are friends with each other, they aren't there to destroy each other. And Responder is right...his testimony is heresay. The only way to REALLY prove anything is to have that piece of paper...remember, in the court system, the burden of proof lies on the plaintiff. Even if we did track down the girl who says she found a suicide note...8 years is a long time. There's a lot of holes to fill in here.
Judges scratch politicians on the back and WWASP is a HUGE contributor not only in the state of Utah, but also in Maine when it come to Republicans. They've done a pretty good job of covering their asses and politicians have turned the other cheek for twenty plus years...
I'm not a defeatist, I'm a realist. I'm not a kid....things have to be done in a rational and organized manner. Right now I just want to get as much information as possible from as many people as possible. Maybe I will set up a webiste...that's actually a good idea. My mission isn't to seek and destroy, it's to help.
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My mission isn't to seek and destroy, it's to help.
Boy have you picked the wrong website to post on then. This forum attracts mostly violent and psychotic people, most of whom were never even in a program. They find pleasure (for some reason) in reading the testimony of abuse survivors and then taunting them. People post as fake parents because they desperately want attention. I suggest you focus your efforts outside of this forum. Try antiWwasp.com, they are more willing to help and be civil than the malcontents who post here. Best of luck!
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"wah wah wah, hatred lords on Fornits, wah wah wah, come to my site where I can have some assfuck calling himself a judge send more kids away"
Cry more, emo Kevin.
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sue Ken Kay! and the lot of them! You just received new info about his guilt level invovling hiding the note. New info like that and your statute of limitation has been extended!
I am not a lawyer and no expert. But I beleive I am correct on this?
Nothing is impossible...but there is a statute of limitations, and who is to say that i "just found out" about the suicide note? Kay's lawyers will 1) deny it was ever there, and 2) say i suspected it all along. Look, I know how the court system works...lawyers are friends with each other, they aren't there to destroy each other. And Responder is right...his testimony is heresay. The only way to REALLY prove anything is to have that piece of paper...remember, in the court system, the burden of proof lies on the plaintiff. Even if we did track down the girl who says she found a suicide note...8 years is a long time. There's a lot of holes to fill in here.
Judges scratch politicians on the back and WWASP is a HUGE contributor not only in the state of Utah, but also in Maine when it come to Republicans. They've done a pretty good job of covering their asses and politicians have turned the other cheek for twenty plus years...
I'm not a defeatist, I'm a realist. I'm not a kid....things have to be done in a rational and organized manner. Right now I just want to get as much information as possible from as many people as possible. Maybe I will set up a webiste...that's actually a good idea. My mission isn't to seek and destroy, it's to help.
dont forget this happened on foreign soil so i dont even know if our courts would take it. mabey the world court but i think you have to go through the U.N. on that one. not sure.
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Expecting the UN to do something is like waiting for Randall Hinton to stop being a sick fuck.
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Expecting the UN to do something is like waiting for Randall Hinton to stop being a sick fuck.
thats my point. they wont.
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Expecting the UN to do something is like waiting for Randall Hinton to stop being a sick fuck.
thats my point. they wont.
thank you all for your wonderful suggestions. I know most of us want to see legal action against these people. Without solid proof, there is NO case. FIRSTRESPONDER is absolutely correct in everything he has stated here....foreign soil, the UN - really?
I am on the ANTI_WWASP forums. Yes, very supportive, thank you.
My whole quest may be a waste of time, indeed.
This isn't a self serving task....the thought of others being tortured while the goverment turns the other cheek, that is what drives me.
My sister is dead. No matter what I find out, it won't bring her back. I don't expect or want Kay's dirty, filty money. I want his operations SHUT DOWN.
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The UN can do little more than wave a finger, as it *always* does. It has no jurisdiction and the US never signed the Declaration of the Rights of the Child anyway.
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My sister is dead. No matter what I find out, it won't bring her back. I don't expect or want Kay's dirty, filty money. I want his operations SHUT DOWN.
in the mean time, if you'd like to talk to a delightful TB parent who is unabashedly proud of sending her kid to TB, click the following link:
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/wish/ ... /p61#c1220 (http://www.topix.net/forum/source/wish/TROP1SFH8BA6MVS4J/p61#c1220)
She seems to think all the media reports are exaggerations and manipulations.
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you had the same idea that i did.
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In order to bring WWASP down there HAS to be lawsuits... even if they don't end in a win, the fact that the same people are sued so many times makes their practices uncredible and this will stop parents from sending their kids to the schools.