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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 09, 2006, 06:54:28 PM
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Dayum brother! Switch to decaf or something.
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didnt you know that 90 percent of all posters at fornits are schizephrenics? cant you tell? )if you cant you are probably schizo too_)
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That's what makes it so UN-credible. It's all the rantings :cry2: and the ravings :flame: . This person says it best:
didnt you know that 90 percent of all posters at fornits are schizephrenics? cant you tell? )if you cant you are probably schizo too_)
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Red rover, red rover, send SCHIZO right OVERrrrrrr!!!!!!
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The Sue shit is so boring - we all know already.
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SCHIZOS ON THIS SITE - GOT IT RIGHT! :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: ::boycott:: ::stab::
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Anybody notice how when the things get a little too hot in the kitchen, somebody comes on and calls everybody a schizo? Or accuses them of having a "vendetta"? Of hating ALL programs and being "unrealistic"? It's a crock, I tell you. Ain't no schizo's hanging out at Fornits, but even if there were - so what? They probably have more brains than your average ed con or programmie parent.
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I'm not a schizo but I did spend the night at a Holiday Inn Express.
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We have a bunch of nice children. They become teenagers and then it should be normal to put a label on their forhead with the text "BRAIN DEPARTMENT CLOSED DUE TO REBUILDING".
Most caring parents then know that all kind of statements from the child is quite damaged as a result of that rebuilding. So a statement like: "Something funtamential in my life is bordering me so I need space in order to think" comes out like "Fuck off.".
That should not alarm us. Alcohol consumption should not. However, we should monitor it a by our own conduct show them the way.
Sexual engagement should either if the last one is done with someone of their own age.
(In Denmark, sex is allowed for children from the age of 15 and alcohol is allowed for them to buy on their own from the age of 16. There are no lower limit for them to drink if their parents buys the alcohol.)
But some parents are obdurated and then the trouble starts if they choose not the discuss the problem in a civil manner.
"Nobody can fix a problem that they do not acknowledge."
That means that you can say over and over again that you are worried and that a certain behavior needs to change and the behavior would not change until the child accepts your argument.
That whole process can not be evaded without damaging the child.
If you truely want to create a schizo:
* Just call the transport team without ever talking with your child about what worries you.
* Write a absurd letter to them about love and affection while you are forcing them to break rule number one given to a child "Do not go with a stranger!"
* Do not talk with them on a daily basis from day number one, they are gone.
* Do not visit them after maximum a week.
* Don't check every claim of abuse right at once and pull them if it is not proven to be a fake beyound the reason of doubt.
* Do not take them back in your home regardless of succes or failure after the first program.
Of course there can situations where you feel that you can not reach your child and you needs professionel help. That why family programs have been invented. Go to the desert with professional guidance.
Some parents then truely learns that it is themselves that are unwilling to cope with changes. (Which actually were shown on Television "Family Brat Camp" (TwentyTwenty productions) where a mother could not endure the desert and pulled her family out even when the child were improving.).
But then there is a reason for the childs behaviour. A reason that is easy spotted in a mirror. There is nothing more to fix and you can let your child die if that is the path the behaviour would led to.
We do not have suchs program, where I live. They would be outlawed even before they start and the employees would be convicted as child molesters.
Does it make my society more violent? No it does not.
So my point is. If the posters here in this forum truely are schizos, would it not be more safe for your society to stop the use of such program generally?
Then there will not be any new schizos!
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yep... schizos for sure. :x
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Well said, Overgaard.
The anti-schizo-pro-program poster is clearly intimidated by Fornits and our fine group of independent thinkers. Rampant talking out of group does tend to upset the programmies and program parent advocates, ya konw.
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independent thinkiners dont spam forums and result to silencing other views through childish means.
so hows about another sue freakout thread?
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Can these two spammers spell "borderline personality?"
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Hey it was one of you that started the schizo thing
and some people seem to agree
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Last poster: You really love changing your writing stile to make it look like you're multiple people, don't you?
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Last poster: You really love changing your writing stile to make it look like you're multiple people, don't you?
:rofl: Touche MGDP
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To SueSpammer: Remember the good old days when people would respond to your threads and there was a discussion brewing on topics other than Sou & Co?
Yeah, the rest of us do too. It was nice. This was a place where you could find more information about WWASPS than any other site. That is all gone now. Go, take a look at the thread page, they are all SueSpam threads, which appear to be started and responded to by the same person.
You call us anti-program for raising criticism against this spamming, go ahead. I was locked up at a WWASPS facility against my will and treated like shit, so I could care less what you think of me. I am anti-program and I used to frequent this forum before it was torn apart.
This is an intervention.
(http://http://photos.lifeofrobert.com/images/group.jpg)
Look your family and frinds in the eye and tell us you don't know what you are doing is counter productive. You know it is, we know it is. It's time to stop. Of course nobody here can stop you, you can keep doing SueSpam and we can't do anything. From one anti-program person who used to enjoy this forum and it's information to another anti-program person, let it go. There are close to two dozen WWASPS facilities with kids currently in them. We used to discuss things like this here. If you are truly anti-WWASPS as you say I hope you listen, for the sake of the kids in the facility and more so for parents seeking information about WWASPS. Right now they just get lost in the mess this forum has become, it used to help parents a lot more.
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mskala's home page : lawpoli : youthrights : obedience-schools
WWASPS critic loses suit
Slashdot is covering this story, but only from the point of view of "online defamation": a jury awarded US$11.3 million to someone who claimed to have been defamed online. It was a default judgement - the defendant didn't put in any defence - and it turned out that that was because she'd been forced to flee her home due to Hurricane Katrina during the relevant time period, and as a result she never received the papers notifying her of the suit. There's a lot being said about the case, but as far as I know, nobody has yet drawn any attention to what I consider the most interesting part of the story.
The interesting part: the defendant was Carey Bock. The plaintiff was Sue Scheff. Those names probably don't mean anything to you, but I'll explain. Carey Bock is an outspoken critic of the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs And Schools (WWASPS), operators of the infamous Tranquility Bay obedience school for human beings, which I wrote about at some length in 2003/2004. Ms. Bock was actually one of the interviewees in a CBC Radio item that I commented about back then. She became embroiled in a battle with WWASPS when her ex-husband sent their two sons, without her knowledge or consent, to be abused at a WWASPS school in Costa Rica; and Ms. Scheff, the plaintiff, apparently was a consultant she hired at that time to help find them and get them out of there. Relations between Scheff and Bock subsequently turned sour and led to the present case.
I have no opinion about who's right in the present defamation case. I don't know the relevant facts. But if this could draw some more attention to the issue of human obedience schools, that would be a good thing. People who cared got upset in 2003, but then nothing happened. WWASPS has continued to operate. Something should have happened. What kind of fucked-up world do we live in where a country that calls itself civilized would allow WWASPS to exist at all?
Apparently, the kind of fucked-up world where that same country would give its leaders permission to torture whoever they want to torture, for as long as they want, with immunity from prosecution. Just a couple weeks ago I commented on that parallel, over on Livejournal; and now here's this Slashdot story. It seems like WWASPS is in the air right now. Anyway, I'm pleased to see that one of my pages is the second Google hit on "Carey Bock", so maybe people looking for information about the present suit will be awakened to the more interesting story behind it.
UPDATE: I found a press release from Sue Scheff's organization. I still don't know the facts of the case, but the tone of the press release strikes me as extremely sleazy and I find it hard to be sympathetic towards anyone on the side of the defamation suit that released that load of horseshit. Note: that is my opinion of the press release, not of the allegations contained in it; I say the press release is horseshit regardless of whether its specific allegations are true, which I don't know about.
Now I guess I have to find the other party's press release and see if it's equally unimpressive. I won't be surprised if it is; neither side is sounding particularly admirable at the moment. Why can't they unite against the obedience schools instead of bickering stupidly over what apparently was a series of postings on a phpBB system of all places? There are much more important battles to be fought.
UPDATE: I found what I think is the other press release condemned by the one that's linked above. I'm not thrilled with it either, but it strikes me as less sleazy.
We need good sympathetic spokespeople on the side of sanity in this discussion. Scheff and Bock are not sympathetic. Ken Kay of WWASPS is smoother than a used car salesman. He pwnzored the CBC interview in '03. If the above-linked press release from Scheff's organization is typical of the anti-abuse side of the debate, then it's no wonder Kay and his organization are still tolerated.
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To the Poster who speaks for many.
WWASPS and PURE (Sue Scheff) are competitors so of course, people are going to sit up and take notice when either org is in the news.
Please stop whining. It's embarassing.
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To the Poster who speaks for many.
WWASPS and PURE (Sue Scheff) are competitors so of course, people are going to sit up and take notice when either org is in the news.
Please stop whining. It's embarassing.
You sound like Karen. Are you karenindallas?
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To SueSpammer: Remember the good old days when people would respond to your threads and there was a discussion brewing on topics other than Sou & Co?
Yeah, the rest of us do too. It was nice. This was a place where you could find more information about WWASPS than any other site. That is all gone now. Go, take a look at the thread page, they are all SueSpam threads, which appear to be started and responded to by the same person.
You call us anti-program for raising criticism against this spamming, go ahead. I was locked up at a WWASPS facility against my will and treated like shit, so I could care less what you think of me. I am anti-program and I used to frequent this forum before it was torn apart.
This is an intervention.
(http://http://photos.lifeofrobert.com/images/group.jpg)
Look your family and frinds in the eye and tell us you don't know what you are doing is counter productive. You know it is, we know it is. It's time to stop. Of course nobody here can stop you, you can keep doing SueSpam and we can't do anything. From one anti-program person who used to enjoy this forum and it's information to another anti-program person, let it go. There are close to two dozen WWASPS facilities with kids currently in them. We used to discuss things like this here. If you are truly anti-WWASPS as you say I hope you listen, for the sake of the kids in the facility and more so for parents seeking information about WWASPS. Right now they just get lost in the mess this forum has become, it used to help parents a lot more.
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Poster, it is "helpful" for parents who read fornits to know that Sue Scheff/PURE are competitors of WWASP; and to be aware that just avoiding WWASP programs is not good enough!
These parents must be aware that some of the programs being recommending by Sue Scheff/PURE are abusive, too.
PURE and Scheff are not "just a resource" for parents. Scheff refers these parents to programs for money; and she is paid by the programs.
It's that simple.