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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 11, 2006, 10:00:27 PM
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This is right up their alley. If they can't help they can at least advise her on what her options are.
http://www.eff.org/ (http://www.eff.org/)
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In case you haven't noticed, the only place the EFF has been really effective is in Europe where the politicians keep their dicks in thier mistresses, and out of lobbyists mouthes.
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In case you haven't noticed, the only place the EFF has been really effective is in Europe where the politicians keep their dicks in thier mistresses, and out of lobbyists mouthes.
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Carey I hope you're reading. I'm sorry this has happened. Hopefully this isn't the end.
Try this person also.
http://www.law.ufl.edu/faculty/lidsky/ (http://www.law.ufl.edu/faculty/lidsky/)
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In case you haven't noticed, the only place the EFF has been really effective is in Europe where the politicians keep their dicks in thier mistresses, and out of lobbyists mouthes.
Actually, EFF has been very successful and it would not be a bad idea at all for Bock to contact them to discuss her situation. Knowledge is power.
The other suggestion from anon is also excellent:
http://www.law.ufl.edu/faculty/lidsky/ (http://www.law.ufl.edu/faculty/lidsky/)
Perhaps one of these orgs. can help with an appeal?
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i'm sorry. i just don't think the EFF is the one to handle this. The ACLU on the other hand, could be of use. "Civil liberties" is their forté. The EFF is often consulted anyway but for the most part are underfunded, understaffed, and underequipped to deal with larger opponents. They're great with activism, but legal action is what is needed here. The ACLU would love to have a test case like this.
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In other words, if if you could find this at "your rights online" on slashdot, i would agree, EFF would be the right tool for the job.
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it IS on YRO on slashdot. oops. :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
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though on slashdot it's all going pro-Sue. Just thought ppl want to know that. *cough*
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posted there.
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Here's another.
http://www.p2pnet.net/index.php?page=co ... ent=128644 (http://www.p2pnet.net/index.php?page=comment&story=10088&comment=128644)
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Carey, I really hope you're reading, for a couple of reasons. First, you should know that most people realize what a raw deal you got. Even those of us who didn't get along with you when you were here understand now how devastating this has been and how wrong it was. I'm sorry this happened. Second, I really hope you contact that professor and the ACLU. I think there really may be some atty out there who would be interested in taking this on pro bono. Free speech rights is a huge issue. If this went back into court Sue would most probably be revealed for the slime she is. This could go a long way towards shedding the light on this under-reported malignant industry and its offshoots. This is wrong no matter how you slice it and with free speech being such a big deal nowadays I really think you'd be able to find someone to help you navigate your way through this mess.
I hope you and your boys are doing better and I wish you well.
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I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop. This verdict has opened up a can of worms because already, people are doing their own research on the web. I've seen some posts on other boards where people claim they googled Scheff's name and discovered some controversy involving allegations of abuse leveled against a school Scheff allegedly referred to (that would be Whitmore, I presume?) Second, the collective attention span of Americans is what ... 10 minutes? Even CAICA nominating Scheff for the honor of Advocate of the Month doesn't seem to be getting any real attention. Why? Because it's rather hollow too, IMO. CAICA is one person. Isabelle Zehnder ... who freely admits Scheff is her friend and colleague. :roll:
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Me too. Look at all that comes up when you Google Carey's name.
http://www.google.com/search?q=carey+bo ... art=0&sa=N (http://www.google.com/search?q=carey+bock&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&start=0&sa=N)
It's hitting other boards because of the free speech issue and it's getting people talking.
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Interview with Guardian journalist Aitkenhead (Part 2) about her observations at TB and with Carey and Geoffrey (Part 3)
http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2003/200307/20030717.html (http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2003/200307/20030717.html)
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Great interview. Makes you go hmmmmmmm............
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I agree, great interview. Heatbreaking to say the least. It also shows that Carey is out there trying to bring attention to the fact that these schools even exist. Sue Scheff is busy referring (for a profit) kids to these exact same places, just not WWASP schools.
Cheryle
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Is this verdict going to be appealed or not? Surely there is an org out there that would at least take a look at the situation. Appeals are based on court (trial) record. The judge's rulings, etc. It's a matter of getting the transcripts and studying them, as I understand it. If an appeal is successful, there would be a new trial. Is that correct?
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I suppose everyone is forgetting the fact Carey Bock sold out to WWASPS. She sold her hard drive with everyone's private information, angering everyone involved? You all remember, those involved. And now she's some sort of a hero? Come on, folks. Are you that gullible? Anything to destroy Sue will make you all happy but yet none of you have ever taken the time to learn for yourselves what is truly happening. never gone to meet her, talk to parents and kids who she's involved with. Have you? You get one side and only one side and that is very dangerous. Also why the Internet can be so damaging. You'll get it one day - if it happens to you.
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I never said Carey was a hero - and neither is Sue.
From an eariler post in case you missed it:
I'll finish by saying that while I do believe what Carey Bock has done is despicable; what Susan had done, and is doing is worse.
Carey betrayed a bunch of adults. Its possibly true (I believe it is) that she greatly damaged the effectiveness of some of these adults in helping relieve other's children from WWASPS' treatment.
But Susan has proven her willingness to over look abusive treatment, if it is putting money in her pocket. Not only over look it - but attack the parents and children trying to tell her about it. And in my POV, that is much worse than what Carey did - as awful as that was.
Personally, I despise them both. Generally, I think they deserve one another. But this judgment is insane. Carey did no damage to anything of Susan's, excepting her bloated ego.
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BTW
///Also why the Internet can be so damaging. You'll get it one day - if it happens to you.///
It HAS happened to me. Both these bitches have trashed me and I have suffered threw far more graphic perv posts than the infamous Red Panties post that had Susan so hysterical.
Somehow I survived. Didn't do me any lasting harm. Didn't harm Susan any either. It just really pissed her off.
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I never said Carey was a hero - and neither is Sue.
From an eariler post in case you missed it:
I'll finish by saying that while I do believe what Carey Bock has done is despicable; what Susan had done, and is doing is worse.
Carey betrayed a bunch of adults. Its possibly true (I believe it is) that she greatly damaged the effectiveness of some of these adults in helping relieve other's children from WWASPS' treatment.
But Susan has proven her willingness to over look abusive treatment, if it is putting money in her pocket. Not only over look it - but attack the parents and children trying to tell her about it. And in my POV, that is much worse than what Carey did - as awful as that was.
Personally, I despise them both. Generally, I think they deserve one another. But this judgment is insane. Carey did no damage to anything of Susan's, excepting her bloated ego.
:nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
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I don't approve of what Carey did selling out to WWASPs.
DISCLAIMER: The following is all entirely my personal opinion:
I don't think Carey caused Sue one tiny bit of genuine economic or social damage by anything untruthful she said about Sue.
Carey came across to me as a bit of an idiot, and I can't see any way she would have possibly been credible enough to actually damage Sue.
I'm not a fan of Sue Scheff, either.
I just don't subscribe to the notion that my enemy's enemy is my friend. If someone on "my side" on an issue is a fool, I'd rather she realize she's a fool and shut up rather than give the other side ammunition.
I think an 11.3 million judgment is absolutely outrageous.
A fundamental aspect of defamation law is that the person has not only said false, defamatory things about you but that the person's statements have caused you social and/or financial harm because people believed them and treated you differently.
Many people have decided not to like Sue and not to deal with Sue, but none of it is attributable to Carey.
It's just like LItchfield's lawyer's complaints about another poster to Fornits. Sure the poster was saying false, defamatory things about him, but nobody believed the guy because the poster was clearly using that web identity primarily for satire. People who already hate Litchfield found it funny, but it influenced nobody's opinion to in any way socially or financially shun Litchfield. Nobody who didn't already hate him was going to take that clear satire seriously, anyway.
Same with Carey. I don't care if some of the things she said about Sue did turn out to be demonstrably false or not. Only a total idiot would have changed their mind about anybody or anything based on Carey's say so.
I suppose Sue could have chosen to argue that total idiots were her primary customer base, but if I were her I wouldn't have wanted to assert that on the record in court.
This case should have been dismissed on the grounds that Sue did not suffer financial or social harm.
Julie
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Julie,
It certainly doesn't seem that Sue Scheff suffered any financial harm anywhere along the way. She's making big money in this sordid teen help industry.
But how does one gage "social harm?"
WHO ARE SUE SCHEFF"S SOCIAL CIRCLE OF FRIENDS?
It seems like she only has these hanger-ons that last as long as she has some use for them...then there's some big blow up, and they ain't friends no more--or some such thing.
I get the "gist" that this rich-trust-fund-baby-world is some made up thing to go along with the "rich bitch persona."
Why else the regular job on the phone at Humana or where-ever?
Why lie about having a college degree?
Why spread all your personal family business all over the internet?
People from a "certain social class" just don't behave, and speak that way.
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I get the "gist" that this rich-trust-fund-baby-world is some made up thing to go along with the "rich bitch persona."
Why else the regular job on the phone at Humana or where-ever?
I also wondered about this inconsistency. She'll tell you how she is a trust fund baby and never worked a day in her life; also never did a lick of house work; never swept a floor or dusted a table or did a sink full of dishes or washed her own dog.
On another day, she'll explain how she was working for Humana.
Was that a hobby? :roll:
But, its clear she dose have a lot of money coming from somewhere that doesn't appear to be regular employment.
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That's the rub: "trust fund babies" just don't talk about it....and that's called CLASS, you know?
Only those who "just got some money" yak about money...and usually they don't want to be too forthcoming about exactly where the money came from.
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Regarding an APPEAL in Broward County:
Looks like it's about $350.00 bucks and you only have 30 days from the time judgement was entered (I believe, you need to confirm that yourself though as I am not a lawyer!!!)
http://www.clerk-17th-flcourts.org/bcco ... ticeappeal (http://www.clerk-17th-flcourts.org/bccoc2/faqappeals.asp?#noticeappeal)