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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 02, 2006, 05:31:43 AM
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I WAS IN THE L.I.F.E. PROGRAM FROM 81-82. I HAVEN' HEARD ABOUT ANYONE SINCE. I REMEMBER ALOT OF NAMES AND FACES. I WAS IN THE 14 & YOUNGER GROUP. SUSAN WAS A SR. STAFFER, JANE (HER SISTER), ANNE, JR. STAFF, HELEN PETERMAN(IS SHE STILL ALIVE?) ANYWAY, MY NAME IS MICHELE CHANDLER,38. ANYONE OUT THERE? :wink: [/list]
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I WAS IN THE L.I.F.E. PROGRAM FROM 81-82. I HAVEN' HEARD ABOUT ANYONE SINCE. I REMEMBER ALOT OF NAMES AND FACES. I WAS IN THE 14 & YOUNGER GROUP. SUSAN WAS A SR. STAFFER, JANE (HER SISTER), ANNE, JR. STAFF, HELEN PETERMAN(IS SHE STILL ALIVE?) ANYWAY, MY NAME IS MICHELE CHANDLER,38. ANYONE OUT THERE? :wink: [/list]
Yes,but were staying anonymous.
Others here call LIFE "Straight Lite",so no serious discussion is allowed here.
YOU were in LIFE in its early days,when there were also a lot of Ex Straights there.
You need to post as much info as you remember,because there are no others from the early days posting here.
There is quite a list of names here,do you remember any of them?
Do you remember any of the girl's names you can post here?
Ugly ass Susan (with the crusty skin on her chin)and her uglier sister had an even more ugly mom with coke bottle glasses who was the "nurse" at LIFE.
Helen Petermann is in hiding.
Just put as many names here as you can remember.
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LIFE was Straight Lite.
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mishjersey38 wrote:
I WAS IN THE L.I.F.E. PROGRAM FROM 81-82. I HAVEN' HEARD ABOUT ANYONE SINCE. I REMEMBER ALOT OF NAMES AND FACES. I WAS IN THE 14 & YOUNGER GROUP. SUSAN WAS A SR. STAFFER, JANE (HER SISTER), ANNE, JR. STAFF, HELEN PETERMAN(IS SHE STILL ALIVE?) ANYWAY, MY NAME IS MICHELE CHANDLER,38. ANYONE OUT THERE? [/list]
Yes,but were staying anonymous.
Others here call LIFE "Straight Lite",so no serious discussion is allowed here.
YOU were in LIFE in its early days,when there were also a lot of Ex Straights there.
I want you to post as much info as you remember,because there are no others from the early days posting here.
There is quite a list of names here,do you remember any of them?
Do you remember any of the girl's names you can post here?
Ugly ass Susan (with the crusty skin on her chin)and her uglier sister had an even more ugly mom with coke bottle glasses who was the "nurse" at LIFE.
Helen Petermann is in hiding.
Just put as many names here as you can remember.
I MOSTLY REMEMBER 1 ST. NAMES, SOME LAST NAMES(25 YRS LATER)
DENISE CIAELLA (I LIVED @ HER HOUSE IN VENICE MY 2ND&
3RD PHASE, UNTIL I WOKE UP ONE
MORNING AND SHE SPLIT) I NEVER HEARD
ANYTHING ABOUT HER AGAIN.
CAROLYN & HOPE LAUGHLIN
RONDA (SHEARS ??) I WENT TO HER WEDDING AFTER THE
PROGRAM
CHRISTA MEEKER (WE STAYED IN TOUCH FOR A WHILE)
ANN CHRISTENSEN (JR. STAFF)
AMY (PRICE?) EXEC.STAFF
KEELY ??
HELEN ??
MARTHA (I RAN FROM HER HOUSE MY 5TH DAY IN THE PROGRAM)
JOLIE (UGH !!)
THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR THE MOMENT, I'M SURE I'LL THINK OF MORE LATER.
I KNOW YOUR REMAINING ANONYMOUS, BUT DO YOU KNOW ME ?
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mishjersey38 wrote:
I WAS IN THE L.I.F.E. PROGRAM FROM 81-82. I HAVEN' HEARD ABOUT ANYONE SINCE. I REMEMBER ALOT OF NAMES AND FACES. I WAS IN THE 14 & YOUNGER GROUP. SUSAN WAS A SR. STAFFER, JANE (HER SISTER), ANNE, JR. STAFF, HELEN PETERMAN(IS SHE STILL ALIVE?) ANYWAY, MY NAME IS MICHELE CHANDLER,38. ANYONE OUT THERE? [/list]
Yes,but were staying anonymous.
Others here call LIFE "Straight Lite",so no serious discussion is allowed here.
YOU were in LIFE in its early days,when there were also a lot of Ex Straights there.
I want you to post as much info as you remember,because there are no others from the early days posting here.
There is quite a list of names here,do you remember any of them?
Do you remember any of the girl's names you can post here?
Ugly ass Susan (with the crusty skin on her chin)and her uglier sister had an even more ugly mom with coke bottle glasses who was the "nurse" at LIFE.
Helen Petermann is in hiding.
Just put as many names here as you can remember.
I MOSTLY REMEMBER 1 ST. NAMES, SOME LAST NAMES(25 YRS LATER)
DENISE CIAELLA (I LIVED @ HER HOUSE IN VENICE MY 2ND&
3RD PHASE, UNTIL I WOKE UP ONE
MORNING AND SHE SPLIT) I NEVER HEARD
ANYTHING ABOUT HER AGAIN.
CAROLYN & HOPE LAUGHLIN
RONDA (SHEARS ??) I WENT TO HER WEDDING AFTER THE
PROGRAM
CHRISTA MEEKER (WE STAYED IN TOUCH FOR A WHILE)
ANN CHRISTENSEN (JR. STAFF)
AMY (PRICE?) EXEC.STAFF
KEELY ??
HELEN ??
MARTHA (I RAN FROM HER HOUSE MY 5TH DAY IN THE PROGRAM)
JOLIE (UGH !!)
THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR THE MOMENT, I'M SURE I'LL THINK OF MORE LATER.
I KNOW YOUR REMAINING ANONYMOUS, BUT DO YOU KNOW ME ?
Well,you know there was "the boy's side" and "the girl's side",so its difficult to remember each others names.
You have one of those names that is very common white bread,so its difficult to remember a face.
You really should be careful and NOT put your name here,or give ANY of your personal information to anybody you may meet here or at any event.
Its ok to put others names here,but when talking about your experiences HERE (or on the phone),you really should not put your name here.There is NO REASON to put your name here,or to give your personal information to others.
If you do locate a person you know personally,then you had better make arangments to talk or email in private.
There are NO OTHER L.I.F.E. people participating here from the early days of the program.
You are a rare bird.
If you wish,you could just post here any memories of the program and oldcommer families.
What was it like for you?
What was the building like?
Where did you travel in a car as a new commer?
Where did your oldcommer family live.
What went on in the house when you were in an oldcommer's home?
Just exactly WHAT WENT ON in Miss Pete's secret "girl raps" behind the partician in the room?
What was the food like?
What happened in your intake?
How were you brought to the program on your first day?
What phase were you on?
How did you leave the program?
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I am not sure why it is not ok to post your real name but, it is fine to use other peoples real name (Guest)? Man, you sound a little creppy with your replies. What was the food like? You were there weren't you? Tell me everything you can think of? What did you wear on your 90th day? If I was posting here for the first time I would be a little freaked out!
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Believe me, you're not the only one who's creeped out by him. Ya know, couple of bricks shy of a full load. Mostly we ignore him. That being said, welcome to the nuthouse. :D There are a few other LIFE people here but not many. I don't know if they're from your time or not. How'd you find us?
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I am not sure why it is not ok to post your real name but, it is fine to use other peoples real name (Guest)? Man, you sound a little creppy with your replies. What was the food like? You were there weren't you? Tell me everything you can think of? What did you wear on your 90th day? If I was posting here for the first time I would be a little freaked out!
Because talking about other people and using their names is not the same as having contact with real people inside or outside of this message board and giving them your personal informations.
Everybody asking your personal information here are not necessarily your friend.
These people talk about Mel Sembler and Helen Petermann "behind their backs".
There are no other people posting their experiences here about LIFE in its opening days.
There is little or no information about the people who founded,built and operated LIFE,so anything you can remember about oldcommer families and staff member's names is very helpful.
Mel Sembler is not the only person who should be held accountable for the abusive programs.
This message board is for exchanging information.
All information is useful for others who are looking here.
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You were there weren't you? What did you wear on your 90th day?
The same fucking clothes I wore on my first day.
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Everybody asking your personal information here are not necessarily your friend.
Umm, idiot, you're the only one asking for personal information.
These people talk about Mel Sembler and Helen Petermann "behind their backs".
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So fucking what? Jesus Christ! What the hell is wrong with you?
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Man, you sound a little creppy with your replies. If I was posting here for the first time I would be a little freaked out!
But Im not encouraging anybody to post their personal informations like you are.
Its typical of 7th Stepping scum like you to suggest to people "how they should feel".
WARNING:Dont post your personal informations here or tell anybody your personal informations over the phone,email or in person at events.
Please post all of the information you can remember to name ALL of the people who ever abused you in any way in the program.
Did you get good food?
Did you get adequate medical attention?
What were the conditions of the buildings,cars and homes you were held captive in?
Etc.
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But Im not encouraging anybody to post their personal informations like you are.
I'm not. You're the one asking all the questions. I said welcome.
Its typical of 7th Stepping scum like you to suggest to people "how they should feel".
I didn't. That was the person who started the thread you moron.
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Everybody asking your personal information here are not necessarily your friend.
Umm, idiot, you're the only one asking for personal information.
These people talk about Mel Sembler and Helen Petermann "behind their backs".
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So fucking what? Jesus Christ! What the hell is wrong with you?
Because you dont want people to post YOUR NAME as their abuser.
Umm,idiot,liar,I warn AGAINST posting any personal information about yourself here,such as name or email address.
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Ok, thanks for the warning.
(http://http://www.admit-one.net/webimages/foilhat.jpg)
So which paranoid soul is this anyway? Larry, Darrell or Darrell? :rofl:
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I'm not. You're the one asking all the questions.
I didn't. That was the person who ....
See,thats what I mean.
YOU are all hung up on "who's posting what".
None of your fucking business WHO is posting.
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So which paranoid soul is this anyway? Larry, Darrell or Darrell? :rofl:
Pardon me. Larry, Darrell or Darlene? :lol:
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See,thats what I mean.
YOU are all hung up on "who's posting what".
None of your fucking business WHO is posting.
I'm not hung up on it. I don't care who you are I was just pointing out the absurdity of you accusing others of asking for personal infor when you're the only one here asking questions.
Dumbass.
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See,thats what I mean.
YOU are all hung up on "who's posting what".
None of your fucking business WHO is posting.
I'm not hung up on it. I don't care who you are I was just pointing out the absurdity of you accusing others of asking for personal infor when you're the only one here asking questions.
Dumbass.
I ask for information about OTHER PEOPLES personal information,NOT the personal information of the person posting.
OP:Dont give these people your name!
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What color is the sky in your world? :rofl:
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Its typical of 7th Stepping scum like you to suggest to people "how they should feel".
I didn't. That was the person who started the thread you moron.
My bad, I guess it wasn't the original poster. They weren't telling anyone how they should feel. They were just saying how they would feel if they were new here and ended up being hit right off the bat with a barrage of interrogatories from some unknown nutjob.
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WARNING:Dont post your personal informations here or tell anybody your personal informations over the phone,email or in person at events.
Shane Partain
550 W. Perry St.
Englewood, FL
Stop by sometime, Helen Petermann, and grab me by the hair and slap the shit out of me the way you did back in '87. I'd love the chance to exercise my right of self defense. Oh, wait, that only happens in my nightmares. Nevermind.
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bob blagg
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My bad, I guess it wasn't the original poster. They weren't telling anyone how they should feel. They were just saying how they would feel if they were new here and ended up being hit right off the bat with a barrage of interrogatories from some unknown nutjob.
MISHJERSEY38:
OKAY..
1ST....
I WILL SAY IT WAS A BIT STRANGE.
2ND..
MY INTENTION OF STARTING THE POST WAS NOT TO START
A HUGE ARGUMENT!!! :flame:
JUST WANTED TO SEE IF I COULD FIND ANYONE I WAS IN THE PROGRAM WITH !!! :o
AS FAR AS MY PERSONEL INFO...I REALLY DON'T GIVE A DAMN
:P .
I PERSONALLY WAS NOT PHYSICALLY ABUSED....
THE FOOD SUCKED (WAS ALWAYS HUNGRY :exclaim: )
WAS NEVER SICK
I HATED THE STUPID SONGS
FELT LIKE KNOCKING OUT SOME ASSHOLES ALONG THE WAY
GOT PUT ON REFRESHER ON 5TH PHASE(DIDN'T DO SHIT FOR 28 DAYS)
GOT TO STAND UP AGAIN ON 28TH DAY
7 STEPPED(THEY TRIED TO START MY 6 MOS. OVER...DIDN'T WORK...I SAID SEE YA !)
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE FAST DRAFT !!!
ANYTHING ELSE??????????
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TO THE PERSON WHO SAID WELCOME...THANK YOU!! :D
I HAPPENED TO COME TO THE SITE , LOOKIN UP KIDS OF NORTH JERSEY. ONE OF MY YOUNGER FRIENDS WAS IN THAT PROGRAM AND WAS ABUSED, SHE ASKED ME TO CHECK IT OUT ONLINE. SHE'S CONSIDERING WRITING A BOOK.
SO NICE OF YOU TO MAKE ME FEEL LIKE ALUMNI INSTEAD OF A CRIMINAL. CHAT AGAIN SOMETIME...I'LL RETURN.
BYE FOR NOW, MISHJERSEY38
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MISH
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON !!
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My bad, I guess it wasn't the original poster. They weren't telling anyone how they should feel. They were just saying how they would feel if they were new here and ended up being hit right off the bat with a barrage of interrogatories from some unknown nutjob.
MISHJERSEY38:
OKAY..
1ST....
I WILL SAY IT WAS A BIT STRANGE.
2ND..
MY INTENTION OF STARTING THE POST WAS NOT TO START
A HUGE ARGUMENT!!!
JUST WANTED TO SEE IF I COULD FIND ANYONE I WAS IN THE PROGRAM WITH !!!
AS FAR AS MY PERSONEL INFO...I REALLY DON'T GIVE A DAMN
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I PERSONALLY WAS NOT PHYSICALLY ABUSED....
THE FOOD SUCKED (WAS ALWAYS HUNGRY )
WAS NEVER SICK
I HATED THE STUPID SONGS
FELT LIKE KNOCKING OUT SOME ASSHOLES ALONG THE WAY
GOT PUT ON REFRESHER ON 5TH PHASE(DIDN'T DO SHIT FOR 28 DAYS)
GOT TO STAND UP AGAIN ON 28TH DAY
7 STEPPED(THEY TRIED TO START MY 6 MOS. OVER...DIDN'T WORK...I SAID SEE YA !)
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE FAST DRAFT !!!
ANYTHING ELSE??????????
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TO THE PERSON WHO SAID WELCOME...THANK YOU!!
I HAPPENED TO COME TO THE SITE , LOOKIN UP KIDS OF NORTH JERSEY. ONE OF MY YOUNGER FRIENDS WAS IN THAT PROGRAM AND WAS ABUSED, SHE ASKED ME TO CHECK IT OUT ONLINE. SHE'S CONSIDERING WRITING A BOOK.
SO NICE OF YOU TO MAKE ME FEEL LIKE ALUMNI INSTEAD OF A CRIMINAL. CHAT AGAIN SOMETIME...I'LL RETURN.
BYE FOR NOW, MISHJERSEY38
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I FORGOT TO MENTION...
I WAS COURT ORDERED...INTAKE I WAS 13YRS.OLD, I JUST WANTED TO GO HOME !!!!!!!
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WARNING:Dont post your personal informations here or tell anybody your personal informations over the phone,email or in person at events.
Shane Partain
550 W. Perry St.
Englewood, FL
Stop by sometime, Helen Petermann, and grab me by the hair and slap the shit out of me the way you did back in '87. I'd love the chance to exercise my right of self defense. Oh, wait, that only happens in my nightmares. Nevermind.
I have always admired your style!
Now,Shane here has posted his personal info.
Good for you.
I just like to warn any potential new commers to this message board that there are people here that should not be given personal informations.
If they decide to post their personal informations after reading my warnings,they will be doing it with out being under the assumption that everyone participating here is "on the same side".
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I just like to warn any potential new commers to this message board that there are people here that should not be given personal informations.
If they decide to post their personal informations after reading my warnings,they will be doing it with out being under the assumption that everyone participating here is "on the same side".
Well, it has always bugged me a little that people can be awful trusting, especially with email, IM, or "members only" discussion boards. The fact is, nothing is really totally anonymous on the internet. There has been witness tampering, and people have been harrassed, threatened, assaulted, etc. Personally, I just don't give a shit. My details are all public info anyway.
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I just like to warn any potential new commers to this message board that there are people here that should not be given personal informations.
If they decide to post their personal informations after reading my warnings,they will be doing it with out being under the assumption that everyone participating here is "on the same side".
Well, it has always bugged me a little that people can be awful trusting, especially with email, IM, or "members only" discussion boards. The fact is, nothing is really totally anonymous on the internet. There has been witness tampering, and people have been harrassed, threatened, assaulted, etc. Personally, I just don't give a shit. My details are all public info anyway.
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CHRIST I CAN'T TELL WHO IS WHO HERE !!!!!
I THOUGHT THIS WAS AN ALUMNI SITE!!! ???????????
I'M STARTING TO FEEL LIKE I'M ON DRUGS AGAIN...WHERE THE HELL AN I ??
ALUMNI OR CIA ??
FEEDBACK??
IS THE "ALUMNI" A COVER OR WHAT??? :P
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I am not sure why it is not ok to post your real name but, it is fine to use other peoples real name (Guest)? Man, you sound a little creppy with your replies. What was the food like? You were there weren't you? Tell me everything you can think of? What did you wear on your 90th day? If I was posting here for the first time I would be a little freaked out!
This is the kind of mentality you're dealing with.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... c&start=75 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=13146&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75)
That depends on WHEN you were there.
In the Grand Opening days,or the last Close-Out Sale days.
I was there from DAY ONE and it was physically and mentally abusive.20 year old oldcommers beating up 14 and 15 year old children.UNSUPERVISED "group sessions" where your "peers" could do anything to you that they wanted.
Today I have a Hitler like response to ANYONE who does not stick to thier word,and I learned that in the cL.I.F.E. Program,EVEN THOUGH I never made it off of 1st Phase.I was kicked out of the program,but thier doctrine still sunk in to my brain and has remained there until this day.I do not acecpt ANY kind of authoriety and have never held a job in my life,because I treat people like we did IN the program.
Count me in your 5%.
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MISH
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON !!
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My bad, I guess it wasn't the original poster. They weren't telling anyone how they should feel. They were just saying how they would feel if they were new here and ended up being hit right off the bat with a barrage of interrogatories from some unknown nutjob.
MISHJERSEY38:
OKAY..
1ST....
I WILL SAY IT WAS A BIT STRANGE.
2ND..
MY INTENTION OF STARTING THE POST WAS NOT TO START
A HUGE ARGUMENT!!!
JUST WANTED TO SEE IF I COULD FIND ANYONE I WAS IN THE PROGRAM WITH !!!
AS FAR AS MY PERSONEL INFO...I REALLY DON'T GIVE A DAMN
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I PERSONALLY WAS NOT PHYSICALLY ABUSED....
THE FOOD SUCKED (WAS ALWAYS HUNGRY )
WAS NEVER SICK
I HATED THE STUPID SONGS
FELT LIKE KNOCKING OUT SOME ASSHOLES ALONG THE WAY
GOT PUT ON REFRESHER ON 5TH PHASE(DIDN'T DO SHIT FOR 28 DAYS)
GOT TO STAND UP AGAIN ON 28TH DAY
7 STEPPED(THEY TRIED TO START MY 6 MOS. OVER...DIDN'T WORK...I SAID SEE YA !)
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE FAST DRAFT !!!
ANYTHING ELSE??????????
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TO THE PERSON WHO SAID WELCOME...THANK YOU!!
I HAPPENED TO COME TO THE SITE , LOOKIN UP KIDS OF NORTH JERSEY. ONE OF MY YOUNGER FRIENDS WAS IN THAT PROGRAM AND WAS ABUSED, SHE ASKED ME TO CHECK IT OUT ONLINE. SHE'S CONSIDERING WRITING A BOOK.
SO NICE OF YOU TO MAKE ME FEEL LIKE ALUMNI INSTEAD OF A CRIMINAL. CHAT AGAIN SOMETIME...I'LL RETURN.
BYE FOR NOW, MISHJERSEY38
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I FORGOT TO MENTION...
I WAS COURT ORDERED...INTAKE I WAS 13YRS.OLD, I JUST WANTED TO GO HOME !!!!!!!
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I've given my name, who gives a shit?
Oh no, is some nutjob gonna come to my host and "GIT ME"??
:P
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Shane Partain. I remember a little twit by that name at LIFE. What a loser. Couldn't handle it. A wuss. Peterman should have slapped ya. See not much different with you 15 + years later. damn
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Shane Partain. I remember a little twit by that name at LIFE. What a loser. Couldn't handle it. A wuss. Peterman should have slapped ya. See not much different with you 15 + years later. damn
Miss Pete is vicious.
She would play it up in open meeting like Mrs Church Lady,but she would have male 5th and 7th phasers hold you down and she yould slap the shit out of your face!She also liked to bounce children's heads against the ROUGH STUCCO WALLS in the LIFE building.
Helen Petermann was clearly participating in the physical abuse of children.
Shane is no liar,and even if he is a pussy,that does not mean he deserved to be beat.
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Shane Partain. I remember a little twit by that name at LIFE. What a loser. Couldn't handle it. A wuss. Peterman should have slapped ya. See not much different with you 15 + years later. damn
:rofl:
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well, I didn't liike the bitch peterman but I never saw her hit or push anyone. some of you have just elaborated to suit your needs or claims. if it makes you feel better, whatever. but I was there 4 years (off and on) and never saw anyone struck or abused.
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well, I didn't liike the bitch peterman but I never saw her hit or push anyone. some of you have just elaborated to suit your needs or claims. if it makes you feel better, whatever. but I was there 4 years (off and on) and never saw anyone struck or abused.
Yawn...
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"According to the Saint Petersburg Times of February 12, 1978 two former Straight counselors (in sworn statements) said they had seen Straight program director Helen R. Petermann repeatedly slap a small youth and yank him by his hair in an apparent outburst of temper. "I saw maybe five good smacks," one ex-counselor had said."
http://www.thestraights.com/articles200 ... raight.htm (http://www.thestraights.com/articles2005/peoplebehindstraight.htm)
This is exactly what she did to me, years later. And at the time, I was doing nothing but sitting quietly, in a room by myself.
As far as other abuse... I guess there's nothing abusive about holding people against their will, with no contact with the outside world, and getting other kids to put them in painful restraint holds for hours at a time if they try to leave. Nothing abusive about 10 hours a day of forced confessions in front of maybe 100 other kids, being coerced to admit to "being a druggie", to reaveal embarrasing details of sexual experiences, never being able to go outside (except when being led by the beltloop to a car that would take you to "foster homes"). No, nothing abusive about being made to strip down to your underwear, and having to place all of your clothes outside of the bedroom when sleeping at night, and having a burgler alarm on the door. There's certainly nothing abusive about having to be watched closely while you take a shit, is there?
Aren't you people tired of repeating yourselves? I sure as hell am.
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get over it. how many YEARS ago were you imprisoned? yet you want to relive it, retell it here over and over. must suck to be stuck like you are. get some therapy dude
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get over it. how many YEARS ago were you imprisoned? yet you want to relive it, retell it here over and over. must suck to be stuck like you are. get some therapy dude
More parroting.
This isn't about the past. You obviously haven't noticed that there are still Straight descendent programs in existence today, and that many of the same ABUSIVE BRAINWASHING techniques are still in use. If it was really all in the past, I wouldn't be here.
Sure, just shut up and forget about it. Pretend it never happened. The people who are suffering right now aren't your problem are they?
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get over it. how many YEARS ago were you imprisoned? yet you want to relive it, retell it here over and over. must suck to be stuck like you are. get some therapy dude
This isn't about the past. You obviously haven't noticed that there are still Straight descendent programs in existence today
And some of them are listed on this page about cults. http://www.isaccorp.org/cults.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/cults.asp)
Growing Together, spawn of LIFE, is still in business too.
Those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them. Maybe that's why the systematic abuse of kids is a massive industry today... bigger than ever. So many people who have experienced it first hand refuse to admit that it ever happened, and even criticize those who simply tell the truth.
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TO LEARN...LISTEN.
TO UNDERSTAND...WATCH.
TO APPRECIATE...CONTEMPLATE.
TO DO NONE OF THE ABOVE.....
SPEAK INCESSANTLY!!!! :wink:
APPRECIATION OF OUR " DIFFERENCES"..STARTS WITH ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF OUR "SIMILARITIES."
Mishjersey38
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Huh?
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject:
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Huh?
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HUH? WHAT PART DIDN'T YOU GRASP ??
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The blank quote. Who were you talking to and why are you yelling?
ANYONE CARE TO DISCUSS OR DEBATE (ON A MATURE LEVEL)...
OR JUST SAY HEY ???
Hey. :D
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Yep, was on the guys side during these times. See we had all the brothers as staffers. Darryl and Shannon Wilson, they where a pair, probably gettin high while on staff. . Brad and " " can't remember his brothers name. Wasn't Jeff and Ann Brother sister or where they just the same? There was one guy on staff that was half way decent can't remember his name though, skinny red hedded guy. Guess thats why I can't remember his name because he never caused me any grief... Remember most of the girls listed above. Thanks for the girls being there gave the guys something to look at.. :D All I can say is the placed bit big ones. I really do not remember much of being 7 stepped because I started back on drugs as soon as I was able and would come in buzzed. Thats how well these people knew us all....
By the way Shane I remember you, Sound like you still are the same. Don't let the twits get to you. I remember you because you always had a "shit eatin grin" on......Oh God now I will probably start having LIFE nightmares again since I revisited here....
Later folks, keep dishin out the dirt on these places..
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I was there. I signed myself in and 3 and 1/2 months later I signed out. I had a cocaine habit. I used to pace the floor cause I couldn't smoke a cigarette and I needed medicine. That lady Petermann was a piece of work. That's what you get for asking your own mother for a good drug program to quit substance abuse. My mother told me later on that Petermann was a witch. THANKS MOM!!!!!!!!!!!! They found me in the gutter a few months later and I was adjudicated by the veterans adminstration. I don't blame Petermann for that. I blame her for neglecting her education. She was a Seedling Staff member wanna be. I'm ok now and have been off drugs for years.
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I remeber that paranoid guy. He used to pace the floor like a caged animal. By the way, don't think Petermann isn't reading your posts either.You know that guy wasn't really paranoid he had a high level of awareness that drove him nuts.
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I believe you. She's a beast woman teaching catholicism and doing secular vilolence without a liscence. She should be caged herself. I'm over it, but you know a lot of people aren't.
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Petey....................... You ought to look up "the Life And Death Of Aldo Moro". Google it. Some great artwork and even a live Opera. A "Christian" Seedling was there.I walked a mine field for you. Aren't you proud of me? Smileing the whole way to work at the enemy feeling sorry for them. Thanks............ Petey.
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Spoken like a true staff member there Mish.
What I dont understand, is the intolerance by some of you, for those who need to vent. Some dont believe there was abuse others say there was. Some had good experiences, for others it was a living nightmare.
Yes it has been along time for alot of us (89-91 myself) most of us are in our late 20's to our late 30's maybe early 40's. Is there a time frame on healing? Post tramatic stress disorder is something people sometimes live with their entire lives.
I myself fell victim to the abuse by other teens on staff, and then later did abusing when I moved up the phases and eventually to Jr staff. Nothing sexual, but I remember forcefully restraining others, and being restrained myself. I remember the room in the back of group, where kids would sit to sort through your clothes, in front of the exit doors. And being locked in there for days at a time, for looking at the female's side. I remember sitting in hard wooden pues for 10 to 14 hours a day motivating till my arms went dumb. Watching some nut job Tony piss him self because they would not let him go to the bathroom. I could go on and on, but I need to make a point.
I am here to tell you sh*t did happen, whether some of you did not witness it, or just refuse to remember I dont really give a F*ck. Just the same all of us that went through the program, no matter what is was called life, straight, growing together etc. That gives us something in common, a bond, that others will never understand ever.
Some of you have grown, maybe worked through you feelings, others sometimes are not equipt with that ability. We need to be accept their veiws and their ways of dealing with it. If you cant handle the b*tch sessions then dont come back. There is alot of positve stuff on here to, old friends reuniting.
I was very bitter for the loss of two years in my late teens, it took me along time to relize I cant change the past. I still keep in touch with three other lifers that still live in Sarasota and are doing quite well.
I myself am now a police officer, I make a contribution to society, give back what I took as a teen. I feel good about life(living), but do I still think about the program, hell yes, that place was Mucked up!!!!!
I made alot of friends though, and hope to make contact with more of you that was in from 89-91..........
I am just trying to say, lets show a little compassion to those who have not adjusted so well.
I am stepping down from the soap box know...............j
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i remember a red headed guy kinda stocky..i think his name was phil???I was in gt from 87-89 i come here to remember what happened b/c for so long i tried to forget and never told anyone b/c i thought noone would believe me anyway...here i find alot of people still brainwashed and some still very angry... however we are free now to say and think what we want ......
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oh skinny...i remember a vince..dad was a doc...bff w/ dan?????????
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The only thing I wanted was a damned cigarette and a hot cup of coffee. I was goin biserk pacing back and forth on the side of the group having a damned fit. Hey, but now...The smoking lamp is lit. Smoke 'em if you got 'em. If ya don't.......... dare not ask me to help you grieve the Spirit. I've cut back on my smoking a lot since then, and taken up a pipe. Those Natural American Spirit Pow-Wow-Blend of tobaccos, herbs, and botanicals really feel better than mariauana. It's legal too.The cost of each and every one of our troubles came in different forms. Back when I was with you guys and gals, you didn't want off dope. I wanted off cocaine. I kicked it and diladid.So whatever Jesus can do for me with the help of a doctor he can do for you.I was afraid the morphine and diladid would make me have to take methadone forever like I'd heard.I don't know? I still have a doctor,but only on phenothiazines and klonopin. It's not even an opiate.But, some guy in there says to me in group that if I ever left the LIFE program I would be better off blowing my head off with a gun if I left. You know I hated that guy. I bet he's dead.
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no way you would have gotten a hot cup o joe never mind a cigg..not in straight...thats 'druggie' behavior....be glad you were only there 3.5 mo. tidy....